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PERFORMANCE ARTIST Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1104
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Coming up, I'll discuss Greta Thunberg's performance artistry as revealed in her recent boat trip to Gaza.
I'll consider whether AI will truly eliminate most white and blue-collar jobs, and I'll explore whether, hey, is that really a bad thing?
Tarrant County, Texas Sheriff Bill Wayborn joins me.
We're going to talk about how illegals have changed America and what can be done to reverse the tide.
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I've been very focused this week on what's been going on in Los Angeles.
I've also talked about the Big Beautiful Bill.
And in some ways I've neglected some of what's been going on on the international stage, or maybe I should say in the international.
I'm thinking, of course, of none other than that weird kid, namely Greta Thunberg, and her very strange boat trip to Gaza.
Now, Gaza is not really known as a kind of boat trip destination.
It's not, after all, the Gaza Riviera, even though Trump thinks it should be, and maybe one day it will be.
But as of now, it is a war zone.
And that means that you've got Israeli troops in Gaza.
They are hunting down Hamas.
They are trying to find the locations of these tunnels.
They are taking on the bad guys.
They are trying to recover hostages.
It is a bad situation.
But let's remember, this is a bad situation that was created by Hamas.
Not only a bad situation provoked by the October 7 attacks in the first place, But second, a situation made worse by the fact that Hamas does not engage in normal types of warfare.
They don't even engage in normal types of terrorism, by which I mean the idea of like bombing a cafe or taking over an airline.
Rather, what they do is the uniquely twisted or sick or demented, certainly evil, It's almost like they want their own civilians to be bombed, to be killed, to be wounded, so that they can then rush out.
And it's almost like the guy who, you know, Look what these people did to me.
Look at my terrible condition.
So this is the Hamas gambit.
And yet it is one for which large numbers of people have either fallen for it or they buy into it or they accept that Hamas is some force for liberation.
Hamas is not a terrorist group sowing mayhem, but rather it is an anti-colonial freedom-fighting operation against the, quote, occupation of, The West Bank is in Israel.
They are part of Israel.
And they have also been part of Israel.
In ancient times, the West Bank was what we read in the Bible as Judea and Samaria.
Gaza is also mentioned in the Bible.
And so this is the ancestral land of the Jews.
How can the Jews be occupying their own land?
Now, the Jews were forced out of Israel.
They were driven into sort of diaspora.
They fled after the Basin.
Jews remained in the region.
And so all of this rhetoric of occupation, of colonialism, needs to be carefully scrutinized.
Let's remember, how did the Muslims gain access to that region at all?
How did the Muslims come into the, quote, holy land?
Well, the answer is they came as a conquering army.
They took it by force.
That's how the Muslims got there.
That's how the Muslims took Iran.
That's how they took Syria, Jordan.
By the way, those places were at one time, well, Iran was under the people who were at that time Zoroastrians.
Syria and Jordan and most of what we call the Middle East was Christian when the Muslims got there.
So this is just a little bit of the backdrop of history.
I don't think any of this is visible or known.
Or quite frankly, that Greta Thunberg, who is the subject of my discussion here, even cares about any of this.
In fact, I'm not sure if Greta Thunberg cares about anything at all.
And I say that because her causes are migratory.
Let's remember that she kind of came to a prominence on the issue of the climate.
Warning us that we have only, you know, a couple of years, a few years, the whole earth is going to be swallowed up, the oceans are rising, the cities are going to get drenched.
None of this happened.
And Greta, I think, figured out that, guess what?
I think my scam is coming exposed.
Because, you know what?
People are still buying beachfront properties.
They're not buying my BS.
And my little neurotic routine, which captured a lot of publicity, got me before the UN.
I was sort of the kid of all kids.
This is kind of beginning to wear thin.
In other words, I'm becoming annoying.
And what I need to do is I need to find another cause that's a little more hip.
Now I must say that to Greta's great bad luck, I'm sure Greta was like mighty annoyed.
Greta was probably thinking, you know, let's get those Mexican flags down or let's get them to stop the protest while I'm doing my Gaza gambit.
Or better still, get me off this boat so I can get to L.A. and start, you know, waving a Mexican flag.
So this is what you could call a political opportunism.
Of a certain unique stripe that has come to be associated with this very peculiar, maladjusted girl.
In any event, she heads off in a small boat to Gaza under the pretense that she's bringing needed supplies and needed aid.
Now, all of this is a ruse and a hoax, because quite honestly, once the Israelis, in fact, intercepted this boat and checked it out, they discovered that there were no supplies, at least no meaningful supplies.
Most of the food had already been eaten by the crew, so there was really very little for the Gazans.
And this really was not Greta's point at all.
Greta's whole point And so to do that, she was trying to engineer a situation where she was, quote, captured.
She made videos from the boat.
Hey, we are being stalked.
We are being tracked.
Now, it's no surprise that you have a boat in international waters approaching a war zone in Gaza.
It's going to be noticed.
It's going to be tracked.
The Israelis were, of course, aware of what was going on.
And then later, Greta claimed to have been kidnapped.
This was a very kind of careful word on her part because I think what she was implying is that she is in the exact same position as the hostages.
The Israeli hostages were quite clearly kidnapped.
And Greta was trying to level the playing field by saying, in effect, that now the Israelis have kidnapped me.
But, of course, the key difference was that the Israeli hostages were going about their business when people came to their homes or yards and snatched them against their will.
How did Greta get there?
She voluntarily got on a boat, basically heading for Gaza.
And so she wanted to be, quote, kidnapped.
Was she, in fact, kidnapped?
No.
The boat was stopped.
Greta was actually fed sandwiches.
There's a little picture of her kind of chomping into one of the sandwiches.
And the Israelis actually had a very simple idea.
They were like, listen, we want to send Greta home.
But before we do that, we want to show her the videos of what happened on October 7th.
Let her at least realize how this situation got going in the first place.
It's not as if the Israelis just sent troops into Gaza unprovoked.
This was all a response to October.
Well, Greta and her team had no interest in watching these videos.
They refused to watch the videos.
They were like, don't give us any kind of facts that might change our mind.
This is the actual pattern of the kind of propagandized leftist.
To be exposed to any information that might cause them any discombobulation or confusion, facts that they don't know how to deal with.
And so basically Greta was there to make a point.
She wasn't able to make a point because ultimately I think her whole I'm being kidnapped routine was totally busted.
She was not jailed.
She was essentially fed and put on a plane.
Now, it is kind of funny to see the little video of Greta on the plane.
She's sitting in the last row, in coach, by the way, in a non-recliner seat, I'm pleased to add.
She's right near the bathroom, and she is on a flight to France.
So the Israelis, I think, had had enough of this kind of performative nonsense, performance artistry, if you will.
And so they were like, all right, Greta, we've had enough of you.
It's time to send you home.
Greta's now going to have to kind of think about whether or not she wants to be a makeshift Palestinian for the next several months and play that cause.
She appears to have kind of now become a lifelong kind of activist.
I would call her a person of the revolving placard, by which I mean she has a placard and the original placard says climate change.
The current placard now says, you know, free Palestine.
But all of this is written in ink that can be easily written over.
Tomorrow it could be illegal immigration or it could be something else.
Greta's going to go where the crowds are.
She's going to go where the cameras are.
She's become this kind of somewhat tragic and yet somewhat comic poster child of leftist activism.
Look, I hope that the Israelis are not diverted by this kind of foolishness.
Israel is dealing, by and large, with a problem on the ground.
I have to admit that after all these, well, not just months, now years, after October 7th, it was 2023, you remember, you have to say that these Hamas people are very clever.
They have been able to hide these hostages or hostage bodies so that the Israelis can't find them, even in a place, Gaza, that the Israelis control.
Hamas has been nothing short of brilliant in their international propaganda how you can launch an attack like October 7th and then use Hamas has proved to be, I would say, a more formidable adversary than one might have thought.
The focus in Israel should be in winning the war, winning also the public relations war.
Being able to make the moral case for Israel to the world, that's very important.
Don't worry too much about little weirdos like Greta Thunberg.
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Now, I have to say, I am myself just starting to dig into this artificial intelligence.
I didn't want to take the chat GPT, which I know is heavily woke.
I don't really trust anything coming out of Google or Apple.
But I noticed that there's Grok 3, which is on X. This is Elon Musk's AI.
And I was like, you know, I'm curious to see what Grok 3 can do.
And so I started playing around with it a little bit.
And then pretty soon I liked it.
And so I got the sort of subscriber version of Grok 3. It's like $10 a month.
But as a result, you get a much deeper dive into information.
And it's really interesting because you can put all kinds of things into Grok 3. You can sort of ask it anything.
It will give you not a simple one line or even one paragraph, but more like a three or four page answer with a lot of detail, a lot of analysis.
And it does this almost instantly.
Not only that, but you can then-- You can argue with it.
You can engage with it further.
You can say, I noticed that you said this.
Can you give me more information about this point?
Or you could even, if you think that there's something that Grok 3 is telling you that is wrong, now this is possible.
Why?
Because Grok 3 is synthesizing information off of that vast universe that we call the Internet.
And so, if I put in, let's say hypothetically, I haven't done this actually, but I'm going to.
If I put in, what do you think of the movie 2,000 Mules?
It's going to come up and say, well, according to the AP, the movie was flawed because geotracking doesn't work.
But see, I can then go right back and say, isn't it a fact, Grok 3, that cell phone geotracking is commonly used in law enforcement?
It was used in January 6th.
It was used to track people under COVID.
It's being used in the Coburger case in Idaho to track his movements.
Both before and after the murders.
And Grok3 will come back and go, that's all true.
And so there's no doubt that cell phone geotracking can, in fact, locate you within a few feet.
So this is the kind of discussion, intelligent, informed discussion that you can have with AI.
I saw somebody whose podcast I follow.
This is a podcast about money, but he was talking about how...
He took his medical information, stuck it into Grok 3. He got all kinds of information.
In fact, he got a virtual diagnosis from Grok 3. He took it to his doctor.
His doctor goes, well, it looks like it may be this and maybe that.
And he goes, well, what about this possibility?
And the doctor was like, whoa, yeah, I need to look into that one.
We'll administer some tests.
So this is a remarkable case where, in a sense, Artificial intelligence is placing you, the patient, in somewhat of the same position as the doctor, able to kind of raise the type of questions that otherwise may not even occur to you.
I was chatting with Debbie, who is a little bit of a health guru herself, and I told her, hey, you could put some of your medical details into Grok3.
So she's done that and was very intrigued by the results.
Bottom line, this is a powerful and really pretty revolutionary technology.
It is leaving the idiocy of the Google search so far behind.
And this is a very good thing because, first of all, I hate Google.
Second of all, the Google searches are manipulated.
So there's really no more reason to do a Google search really anymore.
If you're finding a particular website, sure, you can do it.
But to get information, it's largely worthless.
This would be like...
That's Grok 3. Now, all this being said, I noticed on social media this remarkable statement about how AI is going to wipe out.
Within just a few years, somewhere between two and five years, 90% of investment banking jobs, consulting jobs, tech jobs, law school jobs, and not only that, but blue-collar and white-collar jobs alike.
And of course, this is a very startling Notion.
The notion that what we do as humans can, to a large degree, not entirely, but to a large degree, be done by automation and can be done by AI.
Notice that we're not talking just about robots that do one set of things and AI that somehow functions off of the digital world.
We're talking about the merger of the two.
Robots that have AI embedded in them.
Objects, smart tools, and in fact, Debbie and I walked in to the eye store, well, the vision store, a few days ago, and we were looking at sunglasses, and they brought out this pair of sunglasses.
Well, guess what?
These sunglasses have cameras built into them, built into the sides of the lens.
Not only that, but these sunglasses function as basically places where you can listen to music.
So you can put on these sunglasses.
They're connected to your phone.
You can turn on music and go for a walk and you're getting the music through your glasses.
You don't need air.
The music comes through the sunglasses.
And not only that, but if you see something and you want to record it, either for yourself or to post on social media, all you do is reach to the sides of your sunglasses, press them, and they start recording.
So all of this is just a little window, a little glimpse into...
Now, what I want to talk about briefly is just this statement by one of the key AI guys.
This is Dario Amodai, the CEO of Anthropic.
This is a guy who's building AI.
And he says that we don't take it seriously.
No one sort of...
not ready for it.
I just wanted to outline a few things that this guy says are kind of coming, not even with a view to trying to solve these problems, because that's a whole other discussion.
The first step, I think, with any kind of problem is just sort of stepping back and paying attention.
It's kind of like, I don't know what to do about the tsunami, but the first thing I need to be convinced of is that there is a tsunami.
A lot of people on the beach don't believe there is.
They continue going about their business.
They're like, oh, we get a tsunami warning every six weeks.
This is ridiculous.
Or, look, the ocean is actually receding.
It's not coming forward.
It's going back.
Let me walk in there and, So people do not take what's coming.
They don't believe it until it happens.
And so this guy is trying to kind of give not even a warning because there are very positive things here, but there are also things that we need to sort of, both individually and as families and as a society, we need to deal with.
Here is a quote that caught my attention.
Cancer is cured.
The economy is growing at 10% a year, the budget is balanced, and most people don't have jobs.
What a weird scenario, right?
Under normal conditions, this would be utterly impossible, but under AI, all of this becomes a possibility.
The AIs are growing at rapid speed, and there are many of them.
There's OpenAI, there is Google, there is Anthropic, the company that I mentioned a moment ago.
And this AI is globally, I would say, unstoppable.
I say that because even if we were to say, all right, well, all of this is really worrisome, we don't really want any of it, we're going to stop it.
Well, that's not going to stop it in China.
And that's not going to stop it in other countries.
In some ways, there is an AI race to bring this technology to full fruition.
Now, why would the Chinese want to go full speed ahead in it?
The answer is because the Chinese, ultimately, they don't want their citizens to be in sweatshops.
What they want is they want an automobile factory which has like four people running it.
And what that means?
Is four people and a thousand robots.
And the robots are manning the assembly line.
The robots are really taking everything, putting everything together, dealing with things at a level of precision that human beings cannot really match.
And so that's where they're going.
So are we going to have old-fashioned auto plants with guys standing at each stage of the assembly line?
One guy does this, another guy does that.
Obviously, our plants are mechanized even now, but we're talking about a whole different level of mechanization, not just, you may call it, physical mechanization, but intellectual mechanization in which, ultimately, these AI-driven robots are able to make decisions, by which I mean make choices, solve problems.
Order new parts.
Consider whether something can be done better than the way it's being done now.
All of this.
And so I think the point being delivered here is that this AI will come in two stages, but the two stages will rapidly morph the one into the other.
The first stage doesn't seem all that scary.
You could call it augmentation.
Augmentation means you do a task.
And AI will help you to do it better.
You're a lawyer.
You write a legal brief, but you want some help in looking up cases.
The AI will do that for you.
We'll supply you with the cases.
You still put the brief together.
It's your brief, but you've been helped to do it by AI.
This is kind of the way, for example, a college student functions, right?
I need to write a paper.
Let me use AI to get information.
I'll take the information.
I'll synthesize it.
I'll put my paper together.
But augmentation is giving way or will give way to automation.
And I mean automation here in the sense that when something is fully automatic, Debbie currently has a car that has some augmentation built into it.
If the car is driving and it comes too close to the car in front, it automatically slows down.
But who's driving the car?
Well, Debbie is.
That's augmentation.
The AI is helping her drive the car, but it's not driving the car.
We are not far away from a completely self-driving car.
That's automation.
That's where you sit back.
You don't have to do anything.
The car will drive.
That is my metaphor for AI doing the full job.
You sit back.
You can sit on the couch.
AI will get the job done for you.
We're talking about tasks that have taken human beings over the years, over the centuries, a long time to do a lot of physical work, but also a lot of mental work.
And suddenly you have AI, which can power technology.
Do finance.
Prepare PDFs.
Create Excel spreadsheets.
Do analysis.
Do customer support.
Do marketing.
Do copy editing.
Do content distribution.
Do research.
Now, I say all of this because as I spell it out, I am simultaneously a little disturbed by it, but I am also kind of excited by it because at some level, In order not to work.
Or to put it somewhat differently, you have people who work for the weekend.
They work so that a time will come.
Whether it's the end of the week or whether it's when you turn 65, when you won't have to work anymore and you will have accumulated enough resources that you can now live and do the things that you want to do as opposed to the things that you have to do.
And so AI does open up the possibility of human civilization in which we are ultimately, not that we don't do things, not that we don't, quote, work, but we now work in ways that we find.
Educational in ways that enhance our lives.
It's not something that we do out of necessity because we have to do it because that's the only way that this "dirty job" will get done.
AI may come with certain types of perils, but it also comes with exhilarating possibilities.
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Guys, I'm really happy to welcome back to the podcast Sheriff Bill Weyborn.
He's the sheriff of Tarrant County, Texas.
He was elected sheriff and took office in 2017.
But he has created the Human Trafficking Division as well as the Intelligent Division, both of which have been instrumental in protecting residents of Tarrant County.
This is a guy who has been on the ground and very close up with the problem of illegal immigration.
I want to talk to him about what's going on in LA and also the Trump policies for dealing with this issue.
You can follow him on X, by the way, Bill Wayborn, W-A-Y-B-O-U-R-N.
Bill, thank you for joining me.
Always a pleasure to have you.
The Trump administration campaigned.
Well, Trump campaigned in 2024, making the issue of securing the border a top priority.
It seems clear that the first part of that, which is securing the border and controlling the flow of illegals coming in, Rather rapidly and successfully achieved.
But the second part of it, which is getting rid of the bad guys, sending home the criminal illegals, maybe also some of the non-criminal illegals, in some ways vacating the country of the people who shouldn't have been here in the first place.
This is obviously a task of a completely different magnitude.
Do you agree with me that this is the more difficult task ahead?
And what is your assessment of how they have started dealing with it?
Well, thank you for having me on the show, and you are absolutely correct.
We changed administrations, and we went from 15,000 people a day coming across the Texas border to less than 100 on average, according to our DPS partners, the entire Texas border.
So the border is in good shape at the moment.
Going after the illegal alien.
The easiest thing for the ICE to do and Tom Holman's team is to come to the county jails, and that's what we do here in Tarrant County.
For the most part, that 99% of the illegal aliens that are picked up are in the county jail, so they are criminals.
They violated Texas law somehow.
They've done whatever Texas needed them to do, and we turn them over to ICE, and that is absolutely the safest for the community and the best for the community.
And I'm afraid what happened out in L.A. is a whole different story.
But they are doing a good job right now.
I believe they went over 100,000 deportations just a week or so ago.
And they still continue to be aggressive.
They're using every resources in the federal government to do it.
And Tom Holman's very clear on the objectives.
So I take that to mean, Sheriff Weyborn, that if you have a cooperative state like Texas, which is willing to work kind of hand-in-hand with the federal government, you then have an efficient operation that can enforce the immigration laws and do it in a streamlined, but also maybe the most humane way possible.
However, as you know, we...
You've got a mayor in Denver who's like, I will stand between ICE and the illegals.
You've got Mayor Wu in Boston.
And then you appear to have pretty much the vast majority of the public officials in California, from Governor Newsom to Mayor Bass and all the way down and in between.
And they are showing us what it means to have a sanctuary state.
And the state itself and the state apparatus seems to be working against the federal government.
Now, if you were on the phone with Trump and he goes, Sheriff Weyborn, like, what do I do in this situation?
What would your advice be?
Well, I think he's doing a lot of the right things.
One of the things he's talking about is cut off federal funding to these sanctuary cities, sanctuary states.
I think that is a key tool.
Now, I have a lot of good friends that are in law enforcement in California, for instance, and in Massachusetts.
There are functions in there that we want to make sure, and I would tell the president, let's make sure that the intel apparatus, the fusion system, the intel centers in Orange County and LA County are still funded.
Because those are vital to national security.
But for other things, maybe take that funding away and say, guys, we're not going to do this.
We did that in the 70s and got compliance when we said we were dropping the speed limit from 70 to 55. The federal government said, states, if you don't do it, you're not going to get the funding.
Everybody came alongside of it, and we did it.
But I think that's his biggest bat, if you will.
You know, we're going in there and I would look at those mayors and governors and saying, I don't know about your oath, but my oath said that I would defend the United States Constitution and the laws of the United States.
That's a promise.
And if they're breaking their promise, I think that they should be challenged on it, whether from a criminal angle or a civil angle of what are they thinking and where are they going?
It seems like while on some of the other initiatives of the Trump administration, the left has been able to get local cooperative judges, typically district judges.
And even if Trump is doing something that is entirely within his executive authority, the judge goes, oh no, I'm putting a temporary restraining order.
So I would imagine that they would try to use some of the same tactics.
In fact, I saw just yesterday.
The California is going to sue the Trump administration to demand the withdrawal of the National Guard and you can't use the Marines and you've got to basically leave it all to us.
Now, it's hard for me to see the higher courts and particularly the Supreme Court somehow denying an elected president the power to use the National Guard I
I believe that is absolutely correct.
I believe when you have insurrection, the president has...
Regardless of who the president is, he's at that will.
And I believe that he will prevail in that.
And I also know there's a movement on for these federal district judges sitting in California who create case law that affects the entire country, that Congress is dealing with that, I think, also to rein them in, if you will, to limit what districts that they can do it in and keep it within their jurisdiction.
But I think that as Donald Trump moves on, it's going to be clear that he, as the president, had the authority to deploy not only the National Guards, but the Marines.
I mean, this is so ironic, right?
Because I remember that when Texas was talking about sending the Texas Guard to the Texas border, the courts basically held, hey, listen, no.
The federal government has ultimate authority here.
This notion of the border is their job.
They might be doing a good job.
They might be doing a bad job, but that doesn't matter.
It is their call to make.
It is their purview.
This is not something that can be left up to the states.
I would imagine that that kind of precedent set, ironically, in the Biden administration would now benefit Trump, don't you think?
I believe you're exactly right.
I mean, just because we've changed administrations, they can't change their opinion now.
We're going to take authority away from this president, but not this president.
I think you're exactly right.
Let's take a pause.
When we come back, I want to talk further with Sheriff Weyborn about what to do to solve this problem in its widest dimensions.
I'm back with Sheriff Bill Weyborn, the sheriff of Tarrant County, Texas.
We're talking about illegal immigration and what to do about it.
Sheriff Waybourn, you know, the Democrats have been saying now for a while, well, you know, there's not much we can do about this problem until we have comprehensive immigration reform.
But isn't it a fact that...
In fact, they don't even like to use the term.
They don't like to use illegal and they don't like to use the term alien.
They prefer undocumented.
Immigrants as if the failure here is on the part of the government to properly, quote, like, document them, right?
And so how does a country produce this comprehensive reform?
When you don't have a certain agreement on the basics that, hey, countries need borders, and we might disagree about how to secure the border, but if you have a disagreement about whether to secure the border, you're in a whole different position.
If they say that and think that everybody should have come going back and forth, point out a country where that's been successful, because it has not been.
In my limited history knowledge, it just doesn't work.
So I think that we're either going to have to say we're going to have sovereign borders or we're not.
And if we are, if we believe we got the majority, which I do believe that, and I believe there's enough conservative Democrats that we could declare that and say we're going to have these sovereign borders and this is how we're going to deal with immigration.
And I think as they deal with immigration, we're a compassionate nation.
There's some compassionate causes, I'm sure.
That are out there that we would want to make exceptions for.
But I do think that if we held employers accountable and said, listen, we're going to fine you heavily if you are hiring illegals.
And I think that if you move forward with something like that, along with the sanctuary cities being withheld federal fines, I think it would come to bear pretty quickly that at least they may not like it, but they would comply with what the law is.
I just saw a social media post by, of all people, the Pope, whom, by the way, I like.
He's made some really good statements, but he was speaking in very general terms.
He's like, well, we should try to do our best to take down borders and break down walls.
I think all of this was intended in a very well-meaning way, but I'm thinking to myself, wait a minute.
I mean, the Vatican has a border.
You can't just walk into St. Peter's Basilica, and I don't know the Vatican has broken any walls that I'm aware of.
So it's one thing if you're speaking in a spiritual or metaphorical way, but it's almost like if you take what is being said literally, it makes absolutely no sense, and no one, as you say, actually does it.
I mean, which guy takes the view that anybody in my neighborhood can walk into my house and eat out of my refrigerator?
Absolutely.
And with all absolutely respect to the Pope, I myself am a Christ believer.
In the Bible that I read, heaven has an immigration policy, you know, and not everybody's showing up.
And so they have an immigration policy, and I think the rest of us ought to, too.
And you're absolutely right.
The people who have a tendency to able to say that, like the Pope, nobody's breaking down the walls of the Vatican.
The Vatican police are there.
You're not going to get in to see the Pope.
You're not going to be able to go eat out of his refrigerator.
And, yeah, it's just crazy.
Do you think, I mean, at the very beginning of the Trump, the second Trump administration, my wife and I would talk about this and we'd be like, you know, they have let in so many people, so many millions of people, and there's some argument about whether it's 6 million or 10 million or 12 million, but it's a big number.
And it seemed almost impossible to send those people back, or at least even the majority of those people.
Do you think the Trump administration will be successful if they're able to send the criminal aliens back, even though perhaps the majority of the others somehow remain?
I think that they will be more successful after the criminals.
By the way, Tom Holman and I have had conversation after conversation.
His edict from the president, go after the criminal illegal aliens, because they know that that number is huge of just people here that haven't violated any other criminal laws.
So let's go after the bad guys that are hurting us.
And I believe that's what he's going to do.
But here again, if I may go back, this is the problem with California.
If he was doing it at the county jail, if he was picking up prisoners at the county jail, There would be no collateral damage, meaning the spouse, the uncle, whoever came with them that is at home would go with ICE.
That happens because they have to go into the neighborhoods and go to the house, and then they have all these collaterals that they also take.
So my urging to Governor Newsom today is, hey, go change your law, have your county jails cooperate with ICE, and this would stop.
Do you think that there's a way for the Trump administration to force that issue without Governor Newsom's say so?
I mean, what if Newsom says, no, I'm not going to do that?
Is it possible for the Trump administration to say, hey, listen, this is a part of federal enforcement authority.
We're going to make you do it, whether you want to do it or not.
Does the president have that kind of authority?
Don't know, to be honest with you, but I would say that he needs to look into that and lay out what the law is.
And if Governor Newsom is violating that law, he needs to be held accountable.
But at the same time, again, turn off the money.
Turn off the money.
And California is a failed state anyway, and it's going to get worse.
It seems from what I've seen of Tom Holman, the interviews that I've seen, this is a guy who has A, been doing this for a long time, B, is completely committed to the task, and C, has a certain kind of political and moral toughness to him where he doesn't allow himself to get intimidated or pushed back, even by sometimes some pretty powerful officials like, you know, mayors, governors, and so on, who all try to...
Do you agree that this is, in fact, very much the right guy for the job?
Absolutely.
And Tom Holman, you said it very well, he does have this toughness about him.
He's committed to doing what is right.
And, you know, I've shared with him and others, you know, if you will, going back a little bit and showing my age, but he is the 21st century Matt Dillon.
And he is going to go do what's right for America.
One of the things I've noticed, Sheriff Wayborn, in L.A., which is quite disturbing, is the way in which you seem to have a kind of mobilization on the part of these sort of professional activists, these NGOs, you've got
They're acting like the only violent people are in fact the law enforcement authorities.
And then you've got the public officials, Mayor Bass, Governor Newsom.
So it looks to me like this is not just the case of, hey, I'm an illegal and I'm going to be doing my best to resist deportation.
There's a massive infrastructure in defense of these people, isn't there?
There absolutely is.
And again, it's unbelievable that elected officials are acting that way.
And if I may take a liberty at a moment and remind people, the good people of Los Angeles Police Department, the National Guard, the state highway patrol guys, those people are following orders and doing the best they can with what they are.
They're good Americans.
They're just between a rock and a hard place.
But you're absolutely right.
They have built an infrastructure to protect illegal aliens.
And part of this, I think, is the fact that you've got a one-party state in California in which you do have Republicans, but I've even noticed how...
I'm thinking specifically of Rick Caruso, you might remember, ran for mayor.
And this guy's like, hey, Trump, back off.
Hey, feds, get out of here.
We Californians will solve our own problems.
I don't know if he's saying this just because he himself is trying to preserve his own political viability or if he's just simply a kind of invertebrate.
But it's dismaying to see the Republicans.
They all seem to be, I would call them like Schwarzenegger Republicans.
Well, that's well put.
And you're right.
This is a time in America where the conservatives need to stand together and say, hey, we won the election.
People wanted a secure border.
They wanted these criminal illegal aliens gone.
And let's work together to get that task done and worry about the rest of it later.
Absolutely.
Great stuff.
Guys, I've been talking to Sheriff Bill Wayborn, the sheriff of Tarrant County, Texas.
Follow him on X at Bill Wayborn.
Bill, thank you very much for joining me.
It's a pleasure to be here always, Dinesh.
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