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THE TWO BIDENS Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1090
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Coming up in our Friday roundup, Debbie and I are going to talk about the two Bidens, the emerging politics of Pope Leo, the tragic case of the DC-5, we'll tell you more about that, new evidence in the Kohlberger murder case, and the exhilarating, exhausting duties of grandparenthood.
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Debbie and I are all geared up for our Friday roundup, but geared up in this case may be So finally I said, well, what do you think it is?
And she goes, I've been hit by a Mack truck.
And I believe that Mack truck is named Marigold Gill.
Oh, she's so cute.
She's extremely cute.
And for six weeks, you're supposed to really take it easy.
You can't climb stairs.
And Marigold's room, of course, is upstairs.
And you can't carry.
You can't carry.
Yeah, you're not supposed to.
And with Brandon going back and forth.
Now, Brandon was there for much of the time that we were there, but then he had to head back to, of course, voting and doing congressional duties in D.C. So we had the task over a few days of...
And you said it was so much fun, but it did wear us out.
Yeah.
There's a reason why 59-year-old women can't have children.
Or 64. Well, the 64-year-old men can.
Oh, you know what, honey?
You always say that, but men can have babies till they're like in their 90s.
I'm sure that they're not going to be playing with their babies, but you know.
Yeah, he was in his 80s and he had a baby.
But anyway, all that to say is that together we had to kind of take turns because she wore both of us out.
Well, the thing is, kids have a personality.
So the new baby, named Winston, seems to be a really serene guy.
Oh, he's so cute.
First of all, he sleeps most of the time.
Sometimes he opens one eye.
Then he opens the other eye.
And then he closes them both and goes back to sleep, right?
He seems to be a Buddhist baby, by which I mean he has a Buddha-like meditative calm.
No, I think most babies sleep that much at the first and second week of life.
They sleep a lot.
They're growing.
That's what they do.
From what we're told, Marigold did not.
Well, she was more feisty, for sure.
She was a little more feisty even at the very beginning.
And now, well, the thing about it is she does sleep a lot because she'll sleep from, she'll in fact sleep about 11 hours at night without waking up, and then she takes a two-hour nap in the afternoon.
But in between those times, she's go, go, go.
Yeah, yep.
So, but I think we, you know, I think our experience of it was that she has a lot of personality.
She's learning.
And she loves to, she calls you Papa.
She calls me Papa and she calls, she's giving you a name.
You were trying to give her the Spanish name Lita, which is from Abuelita, right?
Short for Abuelita.
Right.
But it didn't work out.
Well, it did work out because she took Lita and made it Lala.
So that's your name.
Which kind of suits you because you're musical and you are now Lala.
And I am apparently Pawpaw.
But yes, we had a lot of fun.
We're going to do some more grandparent duties in June.
Yeah, yeah.
And you may do the podcast from Dallas.
For those few days, yeah.
No, I think I have to.
Yeah, no, I mean, I'm just saying either you have to or we have to get, you know, Chad, who was great.
Yeah, filling in for me.
Exactly.
No, most likely I'll do it myself.
I'll just probably do it from there.
Because Danielle has a nice studio.
She had the show with, you know, with Epic TV.
And so she's got a little home studio there that worked.
I tried it the last time and it worked great.
So we'll, you know, we'll keep up with that.
Hey, let's talk about the two Bidens.
The genesis of this phrase, the two Bidens, it comes from CNN's Jake Tapper.
And it comes really with Jake Tapper's trademark duplicity.
And by that, I mean Jake Tapper has a book along with a guy named Alex Thompson all about how the – Now, right away you're thinking, cover-up?
Well, yeah, of course there was a cover-up.
Wasn't there a cover-up by the Democrats and the media working hand-in-hand with you?
But apparently Jake Tapper's views, no.
We were misled.
We were deceived.
There's all kinds of video which has come out of Jake Tapper himself promulgating the exact big lie that his book is now supposedly debunking.
In other words, promoting himself the idea that Biden's fine.
At one point he attributes, he says, you know, he's talking, I think he's talking to Laura Trump and he says something like, how dare you?
Make fun of Biden's stutter because Laura Trump was basically saying this guy's incoherent.
He can't put a sentence together.
And for Jake Tapper, it was just all about his stutter.
So Biden was just fine mentally.
He was just as agile as ever.
But unfortunately, the speech impediment, which he's had for years.
So, you know, Babylon Bee had a little post where they basically goes, you know, Jake Tapper, after a lot of investigation, has basically discovered that he, Jake Tapper, was the origin of the big lie about Biden.
But when Tapper was on TV recently, he tried to cover his tracks by saying, well, the reason that I thought Biden was okay is there are two Bidens.
And Tapper was implying that there's like smart Biden and comatose Biden.
But you and I had an idea when we thought about this notion of the two Bidens, and that is that Yeah, two Bidens.
One of them is Barack Obama.
Exactly.
And the other one is Biden.
Right.
So in other words, the comatose Biden is Biden, right?
And the non-comatose Biden is not Biden at all.
Now, you know, it is interesting.
I saw James Comer, the congressman, and he's saying, you know, we have to subpoena these White House aides to figure out who was using the auto pen.
Right?
But I think this is itself an error here because, well, I mean, there's nothing wrong in bringing the AIDS forward because it's not a matter of who was deploying the autopen, but who was directing the use of the autopen.
Those are, I think, different entities.
There are obviously going to be some lower-level staffers in the White House who are doing the mechanics of it.
But who's calling the shots?
Right, right.
And that, we think, is very likely one Barack Obama, right?
Yeah, that's right.
Of course, you remember the famous statement by Obama where he basically said that he just wouldn't mind.
I have it right here.
I'm going to quote it.
In fact, there's a very funny post by Liz Churchill on X. She goes...
And then she has a picture of Obama.
And Obama says, if I could make an arrangement where I have a stand-in or front man.
We put this in the movie.
We did.
And I'm just reminding people.
They have an earpiece.
And I was in my basement in my sweats.
I mean, this guy is literally delivering a script of how it went down for the past four years.
I could deliver the lines, but somebody else is doing the talking.
I'd be fine with that.
I mean, this is a really remarkable that he said this.
Yeah.
Right?
Is there a better description of what we've been living under?
Not to mention, why did he get a house just blocks away?
Right.
So it's worth noting that customarily, Reagan finishes his presidency, goes back to Malibu, right?
Bush goes back to the ranch.
This is, in fact, what everybody does.
Carter did that.
Bush did that.
Except Barack Obama.
And we think...
Mm hmm.
Now, this really should not be that hard to find out.
And this is another kind of criminal negligence by the media.
But we know why they're so negligent.
It's because they don't want this to come out.
They could have easily done research into the connection I mean, why not?
Why?
You know, usually you have a record.
of visitors at the White House.
Well, why do you think that they would be, if they weren't honest about Biden, what makes you think they would be honest about who is going to the White House?
No, no, no.
I agree.
I mean, what I'm saying is I think that if they had the desire to find out, they could.
But no, they were covering up.
They probably had a good sense that somebody else was playing the fiddle, so to speak.
They probably had a good sense who it was.
And remember, there were a number of Obama's aides who transferred over to Biden.
And so it's logical that this Obama operation would continue to be running the White House.
I think the revelation is just that they were doing it without Biden.
Right?
Because normally, sure, look.
You think Biden wasn't aware that this was going on?
Well, I think with Biden, they made a deal with him up front.
This is not a matter of like the last five months of his presidency.
They made a deal with him up front where they said, who's the they?
The Obama team.
They said, look, we're going to push you forward so you can be the nominee.
We think that you can help us win the election.
But after that, we want you to defer to us.
We will run the machinations of the White House.
Not to say, I don't think they led Biden to believe he had no influence, but I think they told him...
Go sit on the beach.
Take a lot of naps.
Sit around with your family and split the loot.
10% for the big guy.
Count your coins.
Make your investments.
Manage your LLCs along with your family.
There's going to be plenty to preoccupy you.
Every now and then we'll put you out to give a speech.
But that's it.
Otherwise, we run this White House.
And so we have had...
I mean, well, I mean, if you think about it, you know, and look at the media push to not talk about the, you know, the voter situation in 2020.
I mean, look at YouTube taking videos down.
Look at even before Elon Musk bought Twitter, people were taken down.
I was like...
I was in jail on Twitter for saying that, you know?
And so it wasn't just...
Let's put Biden in the White House.
Yeah, see, Trump is right all over this.
Let me just read you a couple of lines.
Whoever had control of the auto pen, all caps, is looking to be a bigger and bigger scandal by the moment.
And then the key line, it is a major part of the real crime that the presidential election of 2020 was rigged and stolen.
That's right.
That's what I just said.
Right?
You're saying that this was not...
There are two scandals rolled into one.
And the same cabal is behind both.
The people who rigged the 2020 election are the ones who put Biden in power.
They're the ones who made this arrangement for how the country was going to be run.
And I think just as big a scandal, they were ready to do it.
Oh, absolutely.
And actually, there's evidence that some of it was done.
It just wasn't enough.
But they don't think that they didn't do it.
You mean don't think they didn't try to cheat in 2024?
Why would they, right?
They've been trying to cheat since I got involved in 2010.
Right.
And probably long before.
And probably long before that.
So this is a political party that is extremely corrupt.
And they are hungry for power, and they will do whatever it takes to get that power.
Even if it means, let's flip elections.
I mean, there are some interesting tidbits coming out in this book.
Now the book should be seen for the fraud that it is.
In which book?
So, I mean, basically, I would say Jake Tapper was being paid a lot of money.
To perpetrate the big lie by CNN.
And now he's trying to make a lot of money by debunking the big lie that he perpetrated.
So I'm not in the mood to buy this book, but there are a few tidbits coming out in social media that are worth sharing.
So here's one of them.
I'll give you two.
One of them is you have Biden staffers, and this is all the way back in 2020.
They were trying to make videos of Biden speaking with voters about key issues.
And they said, But they couldn't make the videos because, quote, he couldn't follow the conversation at all with voters.
And they say a special team was tasked with editing hours of footage into a few usable minutes.
And even they couldn't do it.
And then they quote another staffer in the book saying, our goal was basically to get him across the finish line in the 24 election.
And after that, Yeah, of course not.
Right?
which is all just a way of supporting what we've been saying.
And that is that, I mean, this is a, when people digest the magnitude of this, a democratic society having rigged elections
There needs to be long-term electoral consequences for this.
So in tyrannical regimes, as you know, the regime runs this cabal, right?
Right.
But in this case...
The media was just as complicit, just as guilty, because they actually perpetrated the lie.
And anybody that would challenge it, they'd be the unsubstantiated...
The movie 2,000 Mules was unsubstantiated and debunked, you know, and so they were really, really, really trying to tell everyone, uh-uh, look over here.
This is the, you know, you can't look over here because this is not true.
This is true.
Biden, he's true.
He's normal.
He has all his wits, you know, and so...
Let's look at a couple of examples.
Here's a quotation, because people are now very interestingly excavating these examples.
And this is just one example, but it's representative of what, this is what the Democrats were saying and people in the Biden cabinet.
So here's Mayorkas, quote, he says it's really difficult for him to prepare for a meeting with Biden because, quote, he is so sharp, intensely probing, detail-oriented, and focused.
Now, think of the chutzpah.
I mean, it's one thing to say, hey, listen, everybody gets a little bit old.
They become a little forgetful.
But despite all that, we still find that Biden can comprehend.
But this is going much further.
This is acting like, I can't keep up with Biden.
Now, Mayorkas is admittedly a bit of a dim bulb.
And so if he's saying, I had trouble comprehending, part of that is, I think, a statement about his own stupidity.
But nevertheless, this is a...
And now we look at what you're talking about, which is the media side.
I'm going to read you a couple things.
So this is in the style page of the New York Times.
Quote.
Headline.
So here's what they're saying.
What they're basically saying is that fashion has discovered a new frontier.
It's called the babbling idiot style, right?
And that Biden isn't really stupid.
He's just pretending to be that.
He's striking a stupid demeanor.
Because it's stylish.
I mean, think of who would write a headline like this.
Someone that's demented.
Demented, right?
And here's the subject.
In this respect, the president has something in common with Beethoven, Wagner, and Martin Scorsese.
So all to your point that this big lie...
The media is the prime driver of these lies.
And they were in on it.
Here's another one.
This is from The Atlantic.
It's the article by Adam Serwer.
Here's the headline.
How her, her, remember, was the special prosecutor.
He's the one who said we can't prosecute Biden because the guy's too far gone, right?
How her misled the country on Biden's memory.
So here's the Atlantic transmitting the falsehood that, hey, Biden's memory is fine.
Her is the one misleading the country, right?
So this, again, Is something that, look, at some level, it has to be democratic voters.
Yeah, I see it as much worse than even these tyrannical regimes.
Because at least with these tyrannical regimes, they force the media to say what they want.
They force the media.
The media does not need to be forced in this case.
They're part of it.
And that's much worse.
You're saying that they are willing?
Apparatrics of tyranny.
That's right.
Whereas in places like Venezuela and elsewhere, I mean, I've heard complaints in India that Modi is a kind of a strongman, that if you run a thwart Modi, you run the risk of reprisals from the government.
But that's another way of saying that the press left to itself.
That's right.
They have to kind of beat them into submission or threaten them into submission.
Yes.
But Biden doesn't have to go threatening the Atlantic or the New York Times.
These people are part of that machine.
Willing participants.
Willing participants.
Yes, they are.
Willing participants.
And not only that, but it creates this atmosphere where people cannot believe what they read.
They can't believe the media.
And so we're left with a society where people are like, What's true?
What isn't true?
They say it's misinformation.
They say it's, you know, disinformation.
Who's right?
Who's wrong?
So it's just horrible.
Not to mention...
You know, they were part of the whole COVID thing as well.
So now people, so what they basically created is a society that when a real pandemic happens, and it probably will at some point, when a real pandemic happens and people will really, really die of this disease that everybody can get, not just the elderly, not just the sick, but everyone, no one's going to pay attention to it.
And no one is going to be in their homes, you know, quarantining.
Nobody, literally, it's going to be a catastrophe.
I mean, I have to say that the level of duplicity has reached a whole new zenith, a whole new level, a whole new height.
And because I, while I think that there was all this kind of bias under Bush, George W. Bush, of course, plenty of it even going back to Reagan.
I cannot think of examples similar to, say, Russia collusion or COVID or the 51 intelligence officials, where, again, the intelligence officials are themselves complicit, but so is the media.
That's right.
And now, of course, we have the Biden, the two Bidens and the Biden cover-up.
Here's what I think is going on, because you have to ask yourself, why are they...
Biden is fine.
Nothing wrong with Biden.
But I think now that the election is over, they are like, okay, guess what?
We now have to offload.
They're playing cleanup.
They're playing cleanup.
But let's look at the cleanup.
They're actually, in this case, I think they've realized we cannot play cleanup by dumping it all on Biden because the theme of our cleanup is that Biden is comatose, right?
So if Biden is a babbling idiot, how can you say the babbling idiot is to blame?
You can't.
So now you have an interesting situation, which is pretty rare, where the media is saying, The Democrats are to blame, right?
Of course.
They're acting as if the Democrats are separate from them.
They're not Democrats.
That's right.
They are honest trackers of information.
Well, I mean, look at the view.
They just had Biden on and Jill Biden on a couple weeks ago.
And they were asking Biden questions.
And Biden was kind of acting like his normal self of like, you know, Incoherent.
And Jill would come on and kind of correct him and all of that.
And they were like, oh, Jill, you know, I'm...
And then, you know, Jill's like, of course I wasn't running things.
And yes, it upset me.
So they're trying to normalize Biden.
They're trying to say, see, Biden's coherent.
He's on the view.
He's talking to us right here.
How could you say he has no, you know, so what's that all about?
Well, so that's showing me that the left, somewhat, again, unusual, does not have its story straight, right?
This is recently, a few days ago, Jim Clyburn, the South Carolina senator, South Carolina senator, a black guy.
And he was being asked by Jake Tapper, of all people.
Jake Tapper said, did you honestly believe that if Biden had another four years going all the way to 2028, that this guy would be competent and coherent?
And Clyburn goes, yes.
He answers yes.
So he's taking, so on the one hand, you've got, I would call these the diehards.
The viewers in the diehard column, Clyburn.
These are people basically saying there was never a problem.
Biden was always fine.
He just had a bad day in the debate.
And then there are all the revisionists in Tapper is at the front line of that, who are now trying to, as you say, run a rescue operation for himself and for the media to maintain some shred of credibility.
Now, Tapper, I don't know if to say to his credit, because I don't really think it's to his credit, but at one point he did say, he goes, I have to be a little bit humble here.
He said something like, I too should have been more critical.
That's as far as he went.
But again, I think you're about to say what I'm thinking, which is that this is what the criminal says when he's caught.
That's right.
I never meant to do it.
I have my hand in the cookie jar, but it really wasn't going to go in the cookie jar.
It just looks like it was going to go in the cookie jar.
Right.
Totally.
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Let's talk about the Pope, because this week the Pope did something quite, I think, remarkable for the very early days of his papacy.
And that is he issued a statement which had two parts.
The first part is the affirmation that marriage is between a man and a man.
Compassion aside, we are acknowledging a truth, which is a truth both of nature, but also a moral truth.
God created a male and female.
He created them, Book of Genesis.
And his other statement was a very clear statement So again, I think the Pope is saying, whatever you thought of Francis and his delicacies and ambiguities and some of his dog whistles, I'm coming out the gate and I'm letting you know that my first statement is not about social justice.
It's not about illegals.
It is about this marriage is between a man and a woman and the killing of the unborn is morally...
Two of our biggest issues.
And I remember I had said on the podcast, I guess this was last week, that my intuition was that this guy is not...
That's right.
What they bargained for.
Right?
Yeah.
And you know, one of the things that made me think even more was the fact that we know that his brother, he and his brother are very close.
His brother is practically MAGA.
No, not practically.
He is.
He is MAGA.
He even said, he goes, I'm a MAGA guy.
In fact, in one of these interviews, he basically said, he goes, I may have to tone it down a little bit because he goes, my brother's the Pope.
And, you know, people don't go, the Pope's brother said this, the Pope's brother said that.
So he was quite candid.
Right, because the guy, the interviewer was saying, well, do you regret saying those things?
Well, he had apparently reposted.
He didn't say it, but he reposted the guy.
But it was a rather extreme quote about something like a rescue.
Testing Nancy Pelosi and putting her in handcuffs.
And the interviewer said to the Pope's brother, like, do you believe this?
And he was like, well, I obviously believe it.
That's why I posted it.
But then he was like, but I probably need to...
Tone it down a little bit.
To step back a little bit, which is actually, to be honest, an important...
political move because the brother is a bit of a...
The brother's a little over the top, right?
But the Pope is...
Very measured.
Talk about a classy, serene guy who knows how to say things, not to mention, you know, he has this kind of slightly...
Oh, yeah.
No, he does have a little bit of an accent when he speaks English.
Like, English is not his first language.
Right.
And then he has a perfect Spanish.
I heard a mass in Spanish, and it's perfect.
So, he is a very cosmopolitan fellow, let me say.
This is to me, this is important for a couple of reasons.
I mean, essentially the critical the evangelistic zeal of evangelical Christianity.
If it's going to be a kind of revival in the church, it's going to need both elements, I think.
And I think one of the most interesting things of the last few decades has been a lot of growing mutual respect.
In which Catholics recognize that there's a spirit in the evangelical movement that needs to be imported into the Catholic Church more, and vice versa.
The evangelicals are realizing, guess what?
Some of the issues that we're wrestling with now, free will, moral decision-making.
These issues have been hashed out in the Catholic Church for centuries.
I mean, Anselm was talking about this like in the 11th century.
And if we act like the church really got going in like the 15th century,
So I think all of this is politically relevant and goes beyond, you know, hey, this is of interest only to Catholics.
That's right.
That's right.
Alright, you were telling me We're going to talk about SCOTUS.
We're going to talk about SCOTUS.
Let's talk about SCOTUS and this decision by SCOTUS to put a halt on the Trump administration's use of the Alien Enemies Act of, I believe, 1798 to deport these Trendy Aragua guys.
Now, a lot of people, I think, have overreacted to this, in my opinion.
I've taken the view, this is a common theme in MAGA on this, that, oh my gosh, Amy Coney Barrett is an unmitigated disaster.
John Roberts is horrible.
Everybody says that, though, about her.
No, it's very common.
No, no, that's right.
Well, with Amy Coney Barrett, it is not just one decision.
Right, exactly.
So, there's a lot of, like, I would say, second thoughts, buyer's remorse.
With regard to SCOTUS, and this decision, by the way, was 7-2.
So it was, I think, only Alito and Thomas who went the other way.
But let's see what the court actually did, right?
The court, while admittedly it's putting a block on Trump, it is slowing down Trump, its reasoning was quite narrow.
Number one, the court did not say you can't use the Alien Enemies Act at all.
It didn't say you can't deport trendy Aragua people.
It didn't say that these people are not in a gang.
None of that.
Basically, here's what it said.
It said, you have identified these people, grabbed them, and without notice, put them on a plane and sent them off.
They have not even been given any chance to dispute your characterization of them.
So in other words, they have been given no due process at all, and the court focused on this issue of notice.
To be honest, what I think the Trump administration can do and should do is announce that from now on, we're going to apprehend these people because you're allowed to apprehend them.
We're going to give them 48, 72 hours notice, whatever is deemed necessary and acceptable by the court, and we're going to deport them after that.
Right away, you have met the concern of the Supreme Court.
So we shouldn't overplay these things.
I think the court is just saying that we cannot just take the word of the administration that these people are what...
If the IRS says, you haven't paid your taxes, you get to say, well, actually, I did.
Or, you know, you're a criminal, you have a criminal record.
Well, actually, I don't.
As I told you, these guys, I know for a fact, I have like...
I have intel that these people came to America to destroy America.
They came to America to Venezuela, America.
Right.
And so I don't believe these people should even get due process.
I really don't.
You're saying that they're subversives from the start.
Absolutely.
Now, one of the problems...
And I'm from Venezuela and I'm saying this, you know.
But, you know, one of the problems I think is this and that is that – Now, in general, our Constitution should only protect citizens, right?
Because the Constitution is a social pact among citizens who agree to live by a set of laws.
If somebody else comes in from another country, they don't fall under that constitutional banner.
That's right.
But courts have held that they still have some due process rights.
Not the same as every other citizen, but not zero either.
This is now what is protecting these illegals.
because you can come here illegally, but guess what?
The moment you set foot on our soil, How long were they here?
They weren't here just 24 hours.
No, they were here a lot longer than that.
They knew they were illegal for a lot longer than that.
Right.
They knew their time was up.
Right.
In fact, when Trump got elected, I think they panicked.
For sure.
Because they were like, ooh, the jig is up here.
And of course, as you know, word on the street in Venezuela was, Biden will let you in.
He'll give you a house.
He'll give you a car.
He wants you here.
He wants you here.
And of course, these people didn't want to come to America to work or be productive.
They wanted to inflict terror to citizens.
They wanted to kidnap citizens, extort money from people, just be just, you know, scum of the earth.
I mean, really, because they were scum of the earth in Venezuela.
So they wanted to kind of continue that tradition here.
So I don't believe they should get due process.
And really, Bukele, bless him, because he's taking in these Venezuelans.
They're not from El Salvador.
Why does he want them in his prison?
They're not M.S. Totally different culture.
They might speak Spanish, but it's a different Spanish, and I know that, right?
So, but again, he is saying, yeah, these are criminals, and they do belong in this facility, because this is where I house all of the criminals.
Yeah, it's almost like this guy is, I mean, the Bukele business is so interesting, because what he's really saying is, I am now the world's expert in the prison business.
That's right.
And he's extending entrepreneurship to prisons.
He's essentially saying, if you send these guys over here, I don't care what bad guys they are.
I would like for him to be like a board member for Alcatraz and kind of model Alcatraz after his prison.
You know what I mean?
I suggest that the inaugural cells.
We devoted to Comey and Fauci, the original cellmates.
Can you imagine if you have like the ribbon-cutting ceremony and then the first two prisoners are brought in and they are Fauci?
I mean, I'm obviously being facetious here, but I'm not being facetious in saying that.
The prosecution of high-level Democrats who have broken the law is long overdue.
Recently, a few days ago, you had Kash Patel and Bongino being interviewed by Maria Bartiromo.
And Maria was pressing them.
She's like, when are we going to see high profile?
And Cash was saying some of these people are, you know, their statute of limitations may have expired.
But he was like, if it has not expired, we are looking into it.
And he also specifically said that we are looking very seriously into Letitia James to see what violations of law might have occurred there.
So I have enough confidence in both Cash and Dan.
That I say, all right, we're going to let this process play out.
But I do think there's a lot of MAGA impatience.
Yeah.
You know, and the reason is, Democrats, as you say, they don't wait for evidence.
You know?
They ask questions later.
It's like the old shoot first and ask questions later.
That's right.
They indict first.
They indict first.
And then, you know what?
If it sticks to the wall, it sticks.
If it doesn't, it doesn't.
We tried, right?
We don't do that.
And maybe we should.
Well they have wrecked so many homes and families.
Not just Trump, but look at all the high-level people.
Look at the way they've ruined Michael Flynn's life.
Oh, absolutely.
Look at the way that they've ruined other people's lives.
Look at the way they try to ruin your life.
They tried to ruin mine and didn't succeed, but they did try.
They would have loved to do it.
Yeah.
Right?
I mean, they would have loved for me to go into complete obscurity.
Oh, yeah.
I understood early on that defeating their objective is the key.
Because you love to poke the bear.
So you were poking the bear even when they were trying to poke you.
I mean, you were just like, ha, ha, ha.
You can't break me.
I don't know.
I couldn't have done it.
the way you reacted.
Well, I remember you used to be a little appalled when I would tell you the whole thing was really funny and I would tell you all these anecdotes about stuff that was going on.
I was like, that is so nice.
I was like, don't tell me.
That's not funny.
That's really scary.
But again, I think you were more afraid that the government would plant something on you than these guys.
Exactly.
This is exactly true.
You would warn me like, you know, And I was like, that's actually not my real reason to fear.
I don't actually fear the other inmates.
I can deal with those guys.
And that turned out to be quite true.
And then you told me, yeah, I belong to the Asian Indian gang.
And I was like...
You're like, well, I'm the only member.
I've avoided myself.
I protect myself, you know?
That's right.
All right.
But thank goodness you didn't come out with any tattoos.
Tell us about this.
You were telling me about this.
And I was kind of amazed because while you were telling me about this, I had never heard of this.
The case of the DC-5.
So what is that all about?
Yeah.
So that is apparently in 2022.
This group, and it's called, is it P-A-A-U?
It's a secular progressive pro-life group.
Okay, so Progressives AA, so Progressive Anti-Abortion Something is the group.
W, right?
W stands for something.
So these guys, what about them?
Yeah, so they found, I guess, the trash bin of this D.C. Abortion clinic, right?
And found, I think it was 155 fetuses, something like that.
But out of those, five were said to be probably okay to have survived outside the womb.
Late term.
Late term.
And it should be noted that there is a law in this country against partial birth and very late-term abortion.
So if this group is right, these five fetuses...
They were no longer embryos, by the way.
That's right.
And they had viability.
So they could have lived outside the womb if they were put into it.
But what I found most interesting was the way in which the Biden people covered this up.
Not only did they cover it up, but they started arresting people under the FACE Act, some of the very people that were protesting this.
So, in other words, they were going after the investigators rather than what the investigators found.
That's right.
In fact, this is so similar, isn't it, to David Daleiden in California?
That's right.
Where he uncovered all these abusive practices.
And Kamala Harris went after him, not after Planned Parenthood.
Right.
So now, happily, I should say happily, this is such a gruesome and tragic case.
But they are hoping to revive the investigation and look to see what happened here.
This goes back to like 2022, right?
2022, yes.
And so these babies, you know, were not given the chance to live.
But guess what?
They prosecuted the Bevelin Beattie, our friend.
They prosecuted a number of pro-lifers under the FACE Act.
Happily, those people were pardoned by Trump.
But, hey, guess what?
It's time to turn the...
It's time for the really bad guys to be called to account.
So we are looking forward.
We hope that they are able to push forward with not just the investigation, but actual prosecutions.
All right, let's talk about, we just have a little bit of time left.
We want to talk about Coburger and these murder cases.
Let's start with Coburger.
Okay, so Coburger, it's kind of interesting because the judge is actually, Do issuing an investigation about who leaked, because there are some things that were leaked on Koberger.
On the case.
Yeah.
Apparently, they looked at his history, you know, his, I guess...
His search history.
And found pictures of girls from the University of Washington, I guess, and Idaho as well, in bikinis.
Okay.
Which, I mean, Koberger is a...
He's going to have pictures of girls in bikinis.
But from what they're saying is that these girls were linked to the girls he murdered.
Link how?
You know, as in like they were friends or they were, you know, they followed each other on social media, that kind of thing.
Also, disturbing porn images on his – Kohlberger's computer.
computer and also selfies of him looking kind of creepy, kind of like, you know, a little bit like Ted Bundy, trying to look like Ted Bundy.
And I think there were searches of Ted Bundy and just other things that were like, you know, how does a psychopath get, you know, also be, How can a psychopath look like he's normal?
Kind of like that.
So all of these searches apparently made their way to one of the 2020 or 48 Hours, one of those shows, Dateline.
I think Dateline.
I mean, we know enough.
These days to know that we have to be careful how you evaluate these things.
Right, right.
There may be some truth to them, but mixed in with some exaggerations.
Based on what you just said, a couple of the things I think have very low proof or dispositive value.
A couple of other things are more revealing.
But all together, though.
Yeah, right.
But I mean, if you have a guy and he's...
He's searching out Bundy.
He's trying to dress like Bundy.
That's relevant.
It is relevant, but he's also a criminal major, right?
He's a student of criminology.
So he loves serial killers.
I look at serial killers all the time.
It doesn't mean I'm a serial killer or want to be a serial killer, but I find them fascinating just because I think that they're just – Right, but what I think is that ordinary people have a certain fascination with serial killers.
If not, Silence of the Lambs would not be the huge success it was, Hannibal Lecter, all of that.
And look at all the crime shows.
Right, but serial killers also have a fascination with serial killers, and it's of a different nature, right?
It is more something that we don't do.
When we watch a horror movie, We put ourselves in the place of the victim.
We're like, oh my God, the serial killer is after me, right?
But I bet you that the would-be serial killer puts himself in the place of the perpetrator.
Key difference.
That's right.
I mean, the identification is different.
That's right.
Not to mention, I mean, look at how many people know the names of Koberger's victims.
Versus Brian Koberger.
Everybody knows who Brian Koberger is.
But do they know who Ethan Chapin is?
Do they know who Xana Kernodel is?
Madison Modin?
Kaylee Gonzalez?
Do they know who they are?
They were his victims.
But people don't talk about them.
Or even Bundy's victims.
Or Bundy's.
I don't know.
I can't name any of them.
I can't name any of them.
So anyway, so this judge basically said that he's looking into it because Whoever leaked this information violated the gag order.
And it's very damaging because, of course, they're trying to get a jury, an impartial jury, right?
And, I mean, they've already convicted this dude on social media and the media.
And so, because, I mean, Siri, if I was called to be a juror for this murder, I would already have a preconceived.
Not to mention that from the very beginning, I was like, yeah, he's guilty.
So I would have to take myself out of the pool because I definitely think he did it.
And so I think that you would have to really convince me that he didn't do it more than that he did it.
And you're saying that when they have jurors in this kind of a case, you need to have...
That's right, that's right.
And that's why this is a bit of a problem.
So this is, you know, and it brings me to this case.
And I guess the reason I speak of Koberger in this way is also the parents, especially of the little Gonzalves girl, right?
They are extremely, like, angry at Koberger.
Well, they probably believe he, yeah.
I think they believe he did it.
And then, remember the other day, we watched this 48 Hours on this case that was in Texas in 1998, and the murderer was Jonathan Nobles.
Yeah.
And, you know, some people may or may not remember, this was back in the 90s, 98, where he went in and he killed two girls.
One of them, her name was Mitzi Nally, and she was 21 years old and brutally murdered her, brutally murdered her roommate, and he was convicted in Texas and sentenced to death row.
And the mother of the girl, Mitzi, her name was Paula Kurland.
She wanted to see, to talk to him.
Not because she wanted to forgive him, not because she wanted to understand what he did, but because she wanted him to see her.
And she wore a photo of Mitzi, right?
She wanted to see a photo of Mitzi so that he knew exactly what he did.
And for like years, I think 12 years, she kept asking and asking and asking.
Finally, like I think a year before his execution.
She got that chance.
And it was quite something.
It was like they talked for five hours with a mediator.
And at the end of it, she forgave him.
Like she literally forgave him for doing that.
But she did it more for her than for him.
Right.
Two things were striking to me about that.
One was the fact that this guy had apparently, I mean, he was obviously a complete degenerate, right?
And he was also quite clearly morally anesthetized, which is to say a psychopath, no moral comprehension.
Now, interestingly, he claimed that over the years, he had, in a sense, recovered a sense of conscience.
He claimed that he had become a Christian.
He became a Catholic.
He even was a pastor.
Right.
That's right.
And so when he said, I'm sorry, I was like, listen, you and I sitting and watching this on a big screen, we can't make an assessment of whether it's honest or sincere.
But guess what?
She can.
She is the mom of a victim.
She is going to be looking for the slightest.
That he is prevaricating or lying, but she was convinced that he was sorry.
That he was.
But this brings me to my other point, which is that even though she recognized he was sorry, even though she was willing to forgive him, as you say, for her own sake, she still supported the debt penalty and she supported him going to his execution, which he did.
And she watched.
And she was there.
Right.
Yeah, but she said this, you forgive because it frees you.
Hopefully one day it will free the offender, but that's not the reason you do it.
You do it because it frees you.
Right.
And so she did it.
I mean, part of the interest of these things is you also see the way in which a death like this, It affects brothers.
It affects whole families and sometimes whole communities.
And part of what I think the message of the show was is that this woman could not pick up the pieces and go on with her life.
No.
Now, it was kind of touching, I thought, at the end, the dead man, the guy who went to the nobles.
Left her a kind of a cross that he was wearing around his neck.
I think it was a little medallion.
It was the Madonna.
Right.
So she takes the medallion and she puts it in the very drawer.
Yeah.
She has a little cedar chest of all her daughter's things.
Memorabilia.
I mean, all her cheerleading stuff and her diploma.
And so this goes, I mean, think of how meaningful And then she goes, all right.
I'm free now.
It's time, right?
Yeah.
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