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THE PLOT AGAINST TRUMP Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1063
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Coming up, some new information about the motives of the man who sought to assassinate Donald Trump.
This is Ryan Ruth.
I'll tell you more about him.
Also going to talk about that Oval Office meeting between Trump and the Salvadoran president, Naib Bukele.
And veteran political operative Roger Stone joins me.
We're going to talk about a scandal involving New York Attorney General Letitia James.
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I want to talk about the meeting in the Oval Office between Trump and Nayib Bukele, the president of El Salvador.
This has generated enormous controversy on really a couple of fronts.
One of them is Bukele's just celebration of the crackdown that El Salvador has done on crime.
And who can deny that there has been a nationwide crackdown?
The country is safe, so safe, that according to the State Department, it is now safer to go to El Salvador than it is to go to England or France or Germany because...
The crime in the European countries is tolerated, is allowed to run rampant, whereas in El Salvador it is quite clearly not.
And Bukele made a very interesting observation when he said, you know, I don't see this as a crackdown on the criminals.
I see it as a liberation of the citizens.
It's a way of allowing citizens, the vast majority of people in the country, to Move around easily and safely and enjoy their lives.
And Trump actually grabbed onto that and said, wow, that's actually a very cool way to put it.
And he's like, you know, I'd like to steal your line and use it because that is what we need to do also here in this country.
Now, a good deal of the controversy around Bukele surrounded this guy, Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia.
Statement, number one, I'm not returning him.
Number two, it's preposterous to suggest that I do.
Number three, I'm not going to, quote, smuggle a terrorist into the United States.
This was actually the kind of the money line, the line that sent the media into a kind of a frenzy, because really what Bukele is saying is, this guy is a Salvadoran.
He's a Salvadoran citizen.
Regardless of what you think about whether he should be deported or shouldn't be deported, the truth of it is El Salvador has the right to determine what should happen to him.
They believe that he is a criminal.
He is a gang member.
He deserves to be incarcerated.
And he is where he ought to be.
And they are not going to be sending him back.
The Trump administration clearly has no intention of bringing him back either.
They have to, quote, facilitate his return.
Why? Because the Supreme Court 9-0 has insisted that they do that, facilitate his return.
But what does that actually mean?
Well, according to a brief that is filed with the judge, the Trump Justice Department clarifies what is at issue here, and I want to go through that.
Defendants, the defendant here is, in fact, Kristi Noem, the Secretary of Homeland Security.
Defendants understand facilitate to mean what the term has long meant in the immigration context, namely, actions allowing an alien to enter the United States.
Taking, quote, all available steps to facilitate the return of Garcia is thus best read as taking all available steps to remove, quote, domestic, this is what is underlined, domestic obstacles that would otherwise impede his ability to return here.
There's no other reading of facilitate.
So this is what facilitate means.
We're going to allow, we're going to permit, we're not going to block, we're going to enable.
But we don't have to do more than that.
Now, the Supreme Court said that the lower court, the district court, had also ordered the Trump administration to, quote, effectuate.
Now, effectuate is something quite different from facilitate because effectuate means make it happen.
Bring him back.
And the Supreme Court was like, uh-uh, wait, wait, no, you need to clarify what you mean by that.
And the Supreme Court said also, you cannot interfere with the legitimate authority of the executive branch.
You cannot interfere in the executive branch's conduct of foreign policy.
All of this is explicitly stated in the Supreme Court's opinion.
And so here, in the brief before the judge, We have the Trump administration saying, quote, Another way to put it,
you don't get to tell us that we've got to tell Bukele this or tell Bukele that or make him do this or make him do that or establish this condition for him to do this or for him to do that.
No. That is In our domain.
That is not your domain.
That's not for a judge to do.
The Supreme Court, just as it was clear you got to facilitate his return, they were equally clear that you cannot intrude or trample upon executive authority in this way.
The plaintiffs for Garcia have asked the judge to, quote, order the government to make demands on the Salvadoran government, which they're not going to do.
Two, dispatch personnel to the soil of an independent sovereign nation.
Not doing it.
Send an aircraft into the airspace of a sovereign foreign nation to extract a citizen who is a citizen not of our country, but of that country, from his own country.
They're not going to do that.
And so this is now back before the district court.
They're going to have to decide what to do.
Obviously, they can't make the Trump administration do anything, but I think this judge is angling for some kind of a constitutional showdown.
I suppose what he could do is try to hold Kristi Noem or Pam Bondi in contempt of court, which will, of course, be appealed right back to the Supreme Court.
So what happened here is the Supreme Court kind of drew a distinction.
I would call it facilitate, yes, effectuate, no.
The Trump administration is saying, all right, we'll facilitate.
If they want to send him back, we'll take him.
But we're not going to ask him to send them back.
He's already said he's not going to.
We can't make him.
And so he's going to basically have to stay there.
And we'll see what happens and whether this goes right back to the Supreme Court and whether the Supreme Court takes any further action, which I predict they will not.
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I want to talk about some remarkable new information that has come out about Ryan Ruth.
You might remember that name, Ryan Ruth.
Kind of a weird last name, isn't it?
He is a would-be assassin who plotted to kill President Trump.
Now, incredibly, we're getting very little information about these assassination attempts.
We don't even know a whole lot about the butler guy, Thomas Crooks, who took those shots at Trump.
And we don't know a whole lot about Ryan Ruth either.
And then just yesterday, Debbie told me about this guy who apparently killed his own members of his family, and he too was plotting to kill President Trump.
So all of this demands, I think, much greater public knowledge of who these people are, what their motives are, and what is it that they set out, and how and for what reason did they set out to do.
These dark deeds.
Now, with Ryan Ruth, the new information is this, and this comes out as a result of some newly released DOJ documents, that he wasn't just trying to kind of kill Trump in the normal way, I'm going to shoot him.
Rather, he was trying to buy military-grade weapons from Ukraine.
And among these weapons was a shoulder-fired rocket launcher, And an anti-aircraft missile.
Now, what his chances are to get any of this, I don't know.
But what this really means is that this guy, it seems, was thinking, I'm going to blow Trump's plane out of the sky.
I'm going to have a rocket launcher or an anti-aircraft missile.
I don't have to hang around and try to get in a shot at Trump.
This is the best way.
In other words, you're talking about high-grade weaponry from Ukraine.
Now, we don't know a whole lot about the extent of the connections between this Ruth fellow.
And Ukraine.
We do know that he's a partisan of Ukraine.
In fact, one of his motives for going after Trump is Trump is, quote, bad for Ukraine.
We also know that this guy made a video about the Azov Battalion, promoting it.
And this is the neo-Nazi battalion that's fighting on behalf of the Ukrainians.
So this guy has his heart in Ukraine.
And it looks like this is the driving force behind his actions.
But here is the big and unanswered question.
Yes, he was trying to buy this stuff from Ukraine.
Yes, he presumably was dealing with someone in the Ukrainian...
Military or in the Ukrainian political establishment.
So we can fairly conclude that there were people in the Ukraine side of the conflict that were at least aware that this guy had this motive.
He wanted to take Trump out.
He's looking for the weapons to do it.
But here is the bigger question.
The Ukraine war, we're now realizing, has been run entirely by non-Ukrainians.
And by run entirely, I mean, who are the people behind the switchboard?
Who are the, if I can use an analogy, who are the air traffic controllers moving the pieces around?
The answer is the United States.
It's U.S. military planners.
They have been In a sense, behind the scenes, because they don't want to be identified as the people running the show, just as the people running the presidency, Joe Biden's presidency, haven't come forward and said, listen, this guy's non-compos mentis, we have been running the show.
Similarly, the U.S. figures have been calling the shots in the Ukraine war, but they have been doing it kind of behind the scenes.
And yet, there's now a lot of proof.
That even with the targeting of these weapons against the Russians, it has been NATO and it's been the United States selecting the targets, providing the weapons.
In fact, in a sense, detonating the codes that let the weaponry fly.
This has been done not by the Ukrainians in the driver's seat, but the United States in the driver's seat.
And this gives rise to the question I've been alluding to from the beginning of this segment.
Which is, what did the senior figures in the United States military-industrial complex know about Trump's would-be assassin, Ryan Ruth?
So to put it differently, if this guy wanted to buy high-grade weaponry from Ukraine, and he told the Ukrainians about it, who were the people on the American side?
Who are also presumably in the room or more accurately running the show?
What did they know about this?
In other words, is it possible?
Could it be that the assassination attempt against Trump was not a Ukrainian operation?
Maybe it was.
But what if it wasn't?
What if it was actually an American operation being run out of the police agencies of government right here, working through this Ruth fellow who is a partisan for Ukraine?
This would be something of the utmost seriousness, wouldn't it?
Because it would be a corrupt U.S. regime.
In a sense, authorizing or greenlighting a political assassination of the highest level.
And if you say, oh, that's impossible, this is the United States, Dinesh, don't be so conspiratorial.
Wait a second.
Aren't we discussing exactly something very similar in the case of the Kennedy assassination?
No one seems to consider it outside the realm of possibility that John F. Kennedy was, in fact, assassinated from the inside.
There's some debate about who exactly did it.
Was it the CIA?
Was it the CIA working with the mafia?
Was it other intelligence agencies?
Was the beneficiary, Lyndon Baines Johnson?
All of this is open for debate, but the idea that this is a possibility can hardly be written.
Out of court.
Can hardly be dismissed.
And I think here, too, it's something that has to be considered.
It has to be looked into.
And so all of this means, one would expect that with the kind of battle that Trump is now conducting against the police state, against the deep state, that these people saw it coming.
They were willing to go to any lengths to prevent the dismantling, the taking down of this.
Corrupt, wicked operation that they have set up over the years, maybe even over the decades.
And so I think the question, who is Ryan Ruth and what was the full extent of what he was planning?
Who knew about it?
Who approved it?
These questions are still demanding an answer.
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Guys, I'm delighted to welcome back to the podcast the one and only Roger Stone, political icon, seasoned pundit, New York Times bestselling author, also radio host, his website stonezone.com.
You can follow him on X at Roger J. Stone, Jr., J-R.
And this is a guy who has been around.
He has been at the forefront since Nixon and through Reagan, now, of course, through Trump.
Roger, welcome.
Thank you for joining me.
I really appreciate it.
And I thought I would begin by just having you reflect on what a remarkable sort of moment we are living through.
You've seen it from Nixon through Reagan to the present.
Would you agree that what we are seeing with Trump is a A kind of disruption of the conventional order of a kind that is maybe unique in our lifetimes.
And where do you think this is going?
Well, first of all, Dinesh, thanks for having me.
It's always a great honor to be with you, particularly considering all the great work that you've done for this great grassroots movement to change the direction of America.
If anything, you've understated it.
This kind of is like turning around an ocean liner.
Under Obama and Biden, who I think everybody understands was just a pitiful frontman for the same evil interests surrounding Obama, they really were committed essentially to canceling the Constitution,
engaging in endless wars largely for profit, ending all free speech.
And poisoning us with the foods and drugs that are available to the public because it's profitable.
If you really believe that Tony Fauci and his wife themselves took the COVID vaccine vaccination, I rather doubt it.
I suspect that those performances in public were placebos.
He knows better.
He's a doctor.
So Donald Trump's election...
It's more than just a personal reaffirmation.
It's more than the greatest single comeback in American political history.
It's a testimony to his persistence, his resolve, his commitment, his patriotism, his courage more than anything else because they tried to bankrupt him.
They tried to keep him off the ballot in all 50 states.
They tried to jail him and then they tried to kill him.
It's all the same people.
We understand that.
But he's committed now to making a complete sea change in the direction of the country, whether it's banning men to play in women's sports, or whether it's destroying our military through the DEI weak culture,
or whether it is letting other countries around the world rip us off in trade agreements.
Or whether it's basically signaling to the Chinese, take Taiwan, we'll send a strong letter of objection, which is what we both know Joe Biden would have done.
I think around the world, our adversaries now realize we not only have a strong man in the Oval Office, but an unpredictable one.
One that you don't want to provoke or push because although I don't think he's a fan of foreign adventurism, he will act to defend the United States'inherent national security interests when he needs to.
He's talking openly and I think quite seriously about abolishing the IRS and doing away with income tax entirely.
It's not a press release.
It's not just a joke or a meme.
He's very serious about it.
And he has very serious people around him.
This is the greatest cabinet, I think, in American history.
First of all, I'm extremely pleasantly surprised by Marco Rubio.
I've always liked him on a personal level.
He's been very good to my family.
When my wife was fighting cancer, he's a very, very good guy.
But I always viewed him as a different kind of Republican than me, more of a neocon.
He's highly capable.
Andy understands the agenda that he is to pursue is Trump's agenda.
So I think he's doing an amazing job.
I think he's a great public servant.
I'm glad to see him now working for the Trump agenda.
Tulsi Gabbard.
Some people disagree with me, but I'm telling you right now, she will be the first woman president as a Republican.
Not necessarily in 2028, but she's only 42 years old.
She will be president of the United States.
As a Republican, and I think historically the first woman president, this is a standout appointment.
Scott Bessett, a libertarian, a believer in gold, an outside-the-box thinker, but a man who deeply understands Wall Street and American business and how it works.
I think he provides a calming influence for the markets and for the American people.
I think he may be...
The greatest Secretary of Treasury, pardon me, since Alexander Hamilton.
We continue down this list.
Robert Kennedy, man of enormous courage.
A guy who his whole career has been fighting the establishment.
Someone who's not afraid to take criticism and afraid to take plaque.
But the impressive thing about Bobby is I've never seen him say anything or make any claim.
That he could not back up with authoritative scientific studies or other hard evidence, which you certainly can't say for his critics.
Another one of the president's great appointments.
Kash Patel, who I very strongly supported for FBI director, will prove to be great in that role.
Now, I know some of our friends are impatient, but they should recognize...
That it doesn't matter how egregious the crime may be, even treason, it doesn't matter how overwhelming the evidence may be, anybody who isn't a Republican who goes to trial in D.C. will be acquitted by a corrupt judge and a corrupted jury.
I'm an expert on this subject.
So this has to be done in such a way that we don't symbolically indict people for treasonous crimes, only to have them walk.
Because they get some corrupt judge like, oh, I don't know, Amy Berman Jackson, for example, or Jeb Bosberg.
By the way, that guy is the judge who approved the illicit FISA warrants to spy on Donald Trump's campaign.
Why he's still sitting on the bench is an interesting question.
So I do think that Pam Bondi, who I also have a high regard for, knowing her for years as the Florida Attorney General, where she did a great job, and Kash Patel.
Have to be deliberate about their plans.
But for many in our movement who are sitting back saying, well, I'm dissatisfied Trump has been president for a couple months and nobody's been arrested, don't assume those arrests aren't coming.
Don't assume that accountability is not coming, because I believe it is.
I mean, I think, Roger, just the sheer speed at which Trump has been moving on so many different fronts, even if I flash back, To Reagan, a favorite of yours and of mine.
I was in my mid-twenties when I had the privilege of working for Reagan.
You got the sense that with Reagan there were two or three major priorities to which Reagan gave most of his attention.
But it would make no sense to ask about Reagan, like, what's going on in the housing department or the education department?
All of those were kind of to the side.
But with Trump...
Here he is going after the universities on the issue of DEI, and here he is cutting deals with these law firms.
It appears to be an attack on multiple targets and then multiple points of action.
So the vigor of it, I mean far from me thinking this is moving slowly, I'm actually stunned at the speed at which it's moving.
I think, first of all, Dinesh, your analysis is absolutely right.
On the other hand, the country has declined so much from the time of Reagan.
Reagan didn't have to deal, for example, with men playing in women's sports.
If you said that in 1982, people would say, what are you talking about?
That's crazy.
So Trump, unfortunately, has to deal with a country in a lot more trouble.
Now, Jimmy Carter, who, by the way, I don't think was a bad man.
I think he was a patriotic American.
I think he was a good Christian.
I just think he was way in over his head.
And he was also an outsider.
He wasn't expected to be the nominee.
So the establishment, Brzezinski and Stu and I, they swallowed his presidency up and destroyed it as well.
But he was able to die a happy man because he could die content in the knowledge that he wasn't the worst president in American history.
Joe Biden had surpassed him in that regard.
I just think that Reagan was a great man.
They dealt with very big picture issues, rebuilding our economy, rebuilding our military strength, bringing down the Iron Curtain.
While that may have actually happened under Bush, it was only because of the actions of Reagan.
Challenging the Soviet Union as the evil empire, even when his own advisers were saying, no, don't say that, don't say that.
Or challenging Gorbachev to tear down the wall.
The same timid advisers saying, oh no, that's too provocative.
It's very popular for historians now to try to denigrate Reagan's eight years.
But that's a mistake.
He was a truly great president.
Did he do everything right?
No. Tell me the president that did.
No president can say that.
No human being can say that.
Only he is perfect.
There's no one else who's perfect.
But in Trump's case...
He has hit the ground running, I think in an odd way, the four years out of power, the four years seeing up close the viciousness and the commitment of the deep state to destroy him and everyone around him has made him battle-hardened,
has made him tougher.
But it certainly made him better prepared.
These executive orders just didn't pop up overnight.
They've been being prepared for this moment for four years.
Pardon me.
And I think it shows.
Roger, let's talk about the...
The forces of darkness here, because it looks like the people who tried to get Reagan, the people who deployed all this lawfare against him, they would have loved to put him out of the race.
They would have loved to put him behind bars if necessary.
And I'm thinking about Alvin Bragg.
I'm thinking about the judges that collaborated with all that.
I'm thinking about Letitia James.
Let's talk a little bit about Letitia James in particular.
And the Letitia James scandal.
What is the nature of the scandal and what can be done about it?
Yeah, this is an expanding scandal even as we speak.
You remember Letitia James.
She's the Attorney General of New York.
She's the person who said no one is above the law.
She's absolutely right about that.
Unfortunately for her, that includes her.
So there is, as we now know, serial On the mortgage,
you can see that they list them as father and probably as man and wife, but on the title, they are accurately listed as She applied for a federal HAMP loan,
which is a loan specifically for an investment property, but it is limited to four units.
It has to be four units or less.
I got this incorrect yesterday, so I want to correct myself.
She applied saying that her investment property only had four units, but in fact...
It has five.
She has several mortgages for other properties in Virginia, which she describes herself as the current occupant.
That gets you a different mortgage rate, but of course it's not accurate.
But then most troubling, very recently, just weeks before Trump's so-called valuations trial, she signed a document, a sworn document.
Well, if that's true, and it's long past 60 days, she would be ineligible to be the Attorney General of New York if she lives in Virginia.
In fact, the way New York State law works, As soon as she declares herself a resident of another state, the Office of Attorney General is automatically vacated.
There isn't even a hearing.
So either she's ineligible or she lied on this form in order to obtain a favorable mortgage rate.
Either way, it's a serious federal crime.
Yes, other people have gone to prison for this.
These are just some of the areas of vulnerability.
Clearly covered up sexual assault by her chief of staff, who happens to be a Muslim.
She was sued in that action, 2022.
And then only weeks ago, a Democrat-dominated appeals court did not kill the lawsuit, but dismissed her from it.
This is what, among lawyers, is called wrongly decided.
She did it.
Not once, not twice, but three times.
By the way, I have the names of all three women.
It'd be great for a documentary.
Anyway, so you have her covering up sexual assault, but wait a minute, isn't that what she drove Andrew Cuomo out of office over?
So yet another example of Tish's hypocrisy.
And then lastly, we've been doing a deep dive into her campaign finances, particularly through ActBlue.
If you're familiar with ActBlue, it is a...
Democrat payment processing company.
It's now in totally array.
They've fired their all-top executives.
They're not commenting to the police.
Nineteen state attorney generals are investigating them.
But of those Letitia James donors who will talk to us, which is around 60% of those contacting, More than 70% of them will tell you they have never heard of Letitia James,
they never made a contribution to her, never mind many contributions to her.
This is fraud.
So that research is still being conducted.
Our good friend James O'Keefe has done some of this.
My good friend Chris Gleason has done others, but now it is being done comprehensively.
I think we will show that her campaign for attorney general was almost completely fraudulently financed.
And then, frankly, I had to go back and look at her campaign for city office.
She was the city advocate, a job that is completely unnecessary and has no real responsibilities.
And it appears to me that she did the same thing there, taking contributions that were illegal, laundering them through New York City residents, and then submitting those contributions for the New York City's 8 to 1. So,
look, I think Letitia James is in big, big trouble.
And she's the one who said no one is above the law.
She said it's the art of the steal.
Well, in fact, it is the art of the steal.
But Zinesh, it looks to me like the person who's been stealing is Tish.
Doesn't this suggest, Roger, that there is here Not only an opportunity, but a kind of political and moral imperative.
And what I mean by that is that we have seen this relentless campaign against you, against earlier, against me, against Trump.
Carter Page, Papadopoulos, Michael Flynn, so many others.
And at least to date, not a single prominent Democrat has had to pay for their far more egregious crimes.
Biden got away with it.
Hillary got away with it.
So here you've got a Democrat, a prominent Democrat, in fact, somebody who was very much in this kind of politics of lawfare.
The Democrats have the habit of when they smell blood like this, they indict.
Then they start collecting the evidence, but they do not hesitate to strike.
Do you think that Pam Bondi is aware of all this?
Do you suspect that the DOJ is moving on any of this?
Don't you think it is essential that if we are going to cement the principle that no one is above the law, it shouldn't just be a Roger Stone expose or talking point.
We need to see somebody in handcuffs, don't we?
I could not agree more.
I mean, to answer your question directly, I don't have any first-hand knowledge of what they're doing.
All I can do is turn up facts and make them known to the American people.
If anybody doubts the corruption of Letitia James or thinks this is just political hyperbole, I invite them to go to whitecollarfraud.com, whitecollarfraud.com.
Every document I refer to, the actual documents are all posted there in the links.
The entire narrative has been laid out ad nauseum by my friend Sam Anta, who's kind of an interesting guy in his own right.
This is a guy who is a financial genius who went to prison for financial fraud, did his time, paid his debt to society.
But when he came out, he started to use his forensic accounting skills to undercover corruption in government, big corporations, and by politicians.
This is not about Sam Anta.
Not about me either, or about you.
It's about Letitia James and being held accountable, having one standard of justice.
I still think that Pam Bondi and the folks at the Justice Department have to wrap their heads around the fact that, as we saw in the Durham report, which was a fraud,
really a holding action.
So Durham took five years to tell us stuff, mostly that we already knew.
And then instead of indicting Hillary Clinton or Jake Sullivan or John Podesta, they nominated the guy at the very, very, very bottom of the totem pole, a guy named Sussman.
Dinesh, this would be like indicting the guy who drove the getaway car in a bank robbery for double parking while you let the bank robbers get away.
And even Sussman, who was guilty, was acquitted in the District of Columbia.
That other character, Klein Smith, he got caught altering documents in the Mueller investigation.
This guy should be in prison.
Instead, he got a slap in the wrist and he got disbarred and back at the bar almost immediately.
So the problem here is a systemic problem.
D.C. is not a state.
It doesn't need to have a court.
It should not be a federal court system in D.C. But we need fundamental changes.
Judges who violate the Constitution should be called before the Congress to explain that.
You see, I've read the Constitution.
I can't find the part that says the judicial branch is superior to the legislative branch.
It does not exist.
And when a judge is corrupt, then they should be questioned about it.
It's a very high bar for impeachment.
I know a lot of our people would like to see, for example, Boesburg impeached, but...
That would cause, you have to have an indictment in the House.
We've got some weak sisters in the House.
And you also have to have a two-thirds vote of the Senate.
It's a very high bar.
But the judge should be called up to the Congress to explain his decisions.
They do have that authority, and they should exercise it.
And by the way, if he refuses to go, send the Sergeant of Arms to go pick him up.
Excellent stuff, guys.
I've been talking to the one and only Roger Stone, political icon, radio host, speaker, pundit, New York Times bestselling author.
Stonezone.com is the website.
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Roger, thank you very much for joining me.
Great to always be with you, Janesh.
And look, I'm really optimistic.
I really do think that we're about to enter a golden age, an unprecedented age of peace.
Prosperity, security, justice, and law and order.
God bless you.
It's great to be with you.
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I'm discussing my book, Ronald Reagan, how an ordinary man became an extraordinary leader.
And one of the early chapters is called The Education of an Actor.
And the point here is to hit the highlights of Reagan's early life.
To try to discover some of the qualities that were either present at a young age or developed in his childhood or youth that became later recognizable as important qualities for Reagan as a leader and as a president.
I begin with a quote from Reagan from 1991.
He goes, So Reagan was an optimist, and an optimist in the sense that he was a well-adjusted,
happy person, and he had a sense of fresh-faced wonder about the world around him.
He was quite easily moved by Really sort of Norman Rockwell Americana, a marching band, the sight of a flag, a beautiful rendition of the National Anthem.
I found out directly from Michael Reagan, his adopted son, that this is the kind of thing that Reagan found stirring.
It's kind of stirred the soul.
Now, you might think from all this that Reagan had some kind of a...
Easy, idyllic, Norman Rockwell childhood himself, but this was not the case.
His family was poor, not dirt poor, but poor.
His father was an alcoholic, and that imposed a lot of stress on the family.
Reagan was born 1911, February 6th, in Tampico, Illinois.
He was born in a small apartment above the bank building.
Later, he would joke, talking about his own childhood.
He goes, we didn't have any other contact with the bank than that, meaning we didn't have any money.
And it's also kind of interesting to realize that in 1911, this is before the Federal Reserve, most Americans did not have bank accounts.
Bank accounts are something that came later.
And the idea that you have a checking account, a savings account, all of that, all of that paraphernalia is the product of a Federal Reserve System set up after Reagan was born.
Reagan's family was close to being bankrupted during the Great Depression, so were many other Americans at the time.
And Reagan said, well, you know, I know I was poor, but you know what?
Most people around me were the same.
We were at the same level.
The idea that I was somehow destitute or that I was a victim really never occurred to Reagan.
His father was an Irishman, a guy who liked to hit the bottle, but also a guy who had a good flair for telling a good story.
And you can see that some of Reagan's own easygoing charm came from his dad.
Reagan's nickname as a kid was Dutch.
And his brother was nicknamed Moon, apparently after a comic book character.
And so Reagan grew up in Illinois.
His mom was a sweet, but also she could be stern, a very pious woman named Nell.
She was a deeply religious Protestant, and Reagan got that type of a religious education.
He developed from a young age what George Will would later call a talent for happiness, a very interesting phrase, suggesting that happiness isn't just something that descends on you.
It's something that you develop an ability to find.
In other words, you develop an ability to see the world in such a way and to see your own situation in such a way that you don't let it get you down.
This created in Reagan this sort of idea of cheerfulness.
It's not a way of denying hardship, but it's a way of dealing with it.
It's a way of overcoming it.
And it's a way of holding on to ideals even when the reality falls short.
Reagan developed a self-confidence at a young age.
I think this came partly from his dad's swashbuckling charm, but also it came from his mom's sort of moral rectitude.
The two together gave Reagan this sort of sense that he had a good inner compass, a good ability to gauge the world, to tell right from wrong.
And Reagan also developed something early on, I think, which never left him, the sense that there was a kind of underlying plan for his life and for the world and for his country, an almost providential understanding of America,
but also the idea that providence has a plan that guides each one of us in our own lives.
The Reagans moved around a little bit while Reagan was growing up, and they finally settled in Dixon, Illinois, a small town, 10,000 people, and with a strong sense of community.
Reagan went to Dixon Northside High School.
He developed a love of football, and he also worked as a lifeguard.
When he graduated from high school, he was off to Eureka College, a few miles east of Peoria.
Eureka is run by the Disciples of Christ.
It, of course, refers to Eureka, was what Archimedes said when he...
It means I have found it.
Archimedes stumbles upon an important discovery, Eureka.
And Reagan was kind of a mediocre student, I have to say, at Eureka College, not because he was unintelligent, but just because he just didn't mind kind of getting by.
He never took it all that seriously.
Many years later, Reagan went back to Eureka College.
He was asked, hey, you know, isn't it true that you graduated from Eureka, not exactly like Princeton, with a C average?
And Reagan, without missing a beat, he goes, well, you know, he goes, even now I wonder what I might have accomplished if I had studied harder.
And of course, the guy is president of the United States.
Reagan believed that the most important truths were moral.
Not intellectual.
And he also believed that you can learn a lot of things by observing the world around you.
You don't need academic or theoretical formulations.
You need to be a keen student of human nature and of society.
And Reagan developed through this a knack for understanding people.
Also a knack for presenting himself in a way that conveyed not only charm but persuasiveness.
And you can see right here how Reagan was drawn to become an actor.
He was very level-headed about it.
He was not one of these guys who was like, you know, I have an inner calling to be an actor.
For Reagan, it was a career.
And it was about being successful.
And it was about making money.
Reagan was a communications major in college, and he told one of his friends, and I'm quoting him here in the book, he says, if I'm not making $5,000 a year when I'm five years out of college, I'll consider these four years here were wasted.
So for Reagan, you've got to pay to go to college.
It's an investment.
The investment has to pay off.
And Reagan's idea was, I need to make some real money when I get out of college.
That's going to validate the idea that I went to all the trouble of getting...
Interestingly, Reagan didn't seem to have any real close friends when he was in high school or in college.
He was a popular kid, and he was president of the student body in high school.
But nevertheless, you might think that Reagan would have old friends from his high school and college days who would stick with him through the years.
But when I tried to find those people, I realized they don't really exist.
You can't locate them because there weren't any.
Reagan went on to be a radio announcer, first a WOC in Davenport, Iowa, and then a WHO in Des Moines.
This gave Reagan a reach, a recognition.
People began to know who he was, in the sports world anyway, throughout much of the Midwest.
And part of what Reagan became known for...
This was his kind of smooth and easy-to-listen-to voice.
And this was even before Reagan was known as a movie actor.
Nobody really saw Reagan.
You could just hear him.
And Reagan had a good voice.
This is what made him successful in the radio world.
And then later, of course, he would make his way to Hollywood.
The way he got to Hollywood was that he was friends with a woman who was also from Des Moines.
Her name was Joy Hodges.
And she was a Hollywood singer and actress.
So when Reagan decided, I'm going to go try my hand and I'm going to go to California.
I'm going to see if I can break into the world of acting.
He contacted his buddy and she was like, let me introduce you to my agent.
And she did.
And this guy, Bill Micklejohn, who apparently represented Robert Taylor and Betty Grable, he met with Reagan and right away he called Warner Brothers and he goes, hey, I've got another Robert Taylor sitting in my office.
So right away this guy thought of Reagan as a potential movie star.
He had the looks.
He had the voice.
He had the kind of confident gait or appearance.
Reagan did a screen test.
And right away, his agent told him, Warner offers contract seven years, $200 a week.
What should I do?
And Reagan immediately wires back, signed before they changed their mind.
So this is really how Reagan got to Hollywood.
It's an all-American story, a poor kid in the Midwest.
He makes his reputation initially in the radio world of the Midwest and then pushes out to California to make it in the movies.
You can see how his optimism, his hopefulness, his sense of possibility are all vindicated.
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