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SHARIA LAND Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1061
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Coming up, Tebby and I are here for our Friday roundup, and our topic, our broad topic, is Sharia land, Sharia coming to America.
But we're going to cover a bunch of stuff from Trump's economic policies, runaway judges, a couple of grisly murders, Megyn Kelly's soft feminism, and the strange arrival of Mecca in a Texas city called Sugar Land.
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Dabina here for our Friday roundup.
And this wasn't exactly planned, but I noticed we have matching outfits.
I noticed you were chuckling when you noticed that as we got to the car.
Yes, and then I noticed that yours says Trump on it.
Yeah, I don't normally wear Trump paraphernalia.
That's very unusual for me.
But you probably remember I got this shirt when we were at Bedminster at the golf course.
And they had some cool merchandise.
And it was kind of subtle.
It has Trump on here.
But it's a little bit on the muted.
It's a big, beautiful shirt.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. Well, our theme for today is kind of, I think it's right up your alley, in fact.
And it alludes to a place that you used to live in called Sugar Land, Sugar Land, Texas.
But you nickname it Sharia Land.
But let's start off by talking about where the name Sugar Land comes from.
Well, I believe Sugarland came because of Sugar Imperial Sugar Factory is there.
They did close it down subsequently, but I think that's where the name came from.
It's a suburb, a Houston suburb, and I lived there from 1994 until about 2014.
Yep. So 20 years.
But I did begin to notice that there was a shift in the demographics when I was there.
Mainly and probably right after, actually during 9-11.
When 9-11 happened, it kind of just, you know, was like, wow, we have a lot of Muslims that live in our community.
And, you know, there are...
There's a sect, remember we talked about this, there's a sect, a Muslim sect called Ishmaelis, right?
And they are, for the most part, very Western.
The women do not wear hijabs.
And they're very nice people.
I encountered some of those Ismaili Muslims in India.
They follow the Aga Khan, who was kind of their leader.
Yeah, he passed away in February, I believe, at the age of 88. Oh, okay.
Yeah, so he was like their pope, I guess, if you want to call it spiritual leader.
Yeah, but some of the...
And I had a lot of neighbors that were Muslim, Ismaili Muslims, that...
That were just really, really nice people.
Very peaceful people.
But I also, there was also a mosque that was built in my community.
And it was a Sunni mosque.
And I did discover some not so nice, I guess you could call it literature.
You're saying the seeping of radical Islam via the Muslim Brotherhood, those themes.
And I think all of us became much more alerted to all that after 9-11, right?
But very recently, there was in this very town, Sugar Land, Texas.
By the way, Sugar Land used to be...
A red-leaning conservative part of Texas and has now gone blue.
And that's not irrelevant to what we've been talking about because it's partly the infusion of a Muslim population that has been voting Democratic.
And has pushed this part of Texas into blue territory.
Well, recently they had this event at the Sugar Land, was it at the convention center?
No, Sugar Land in front of Sugar Land Town Square.
So it is in front of the City Hall.
Okay. And they call it Mecca, well, the Rare Foundation, R-A-I-R Foundation.
Had this, and a friend of ours, mutual friend of ours, sent this to me.
Like, can you believe this?
You know, that was his...
Right. Of course I believe it, because 15 years ago, I nicknamed Sugarland Sharia Land.
Right. So, of course I believe it.
It's not a shock to me at all.
Let's take a moment and talk about what the it is.
We pulled a clip of this gathering.
Oh, yes.
And it has a very interesting name, which we'll talk about in a moment.
And we're showing it to you as a kind of...
representation of what happens as Islam kind of roots itself in kind of all American communities and creates a whole different mood, a whole different vibe.
And the question we want to discuss is, is it a prelude to something bigger, a kind of Islamic takeover, if you will, of communities and of society in general?
So let's take a moment and watch this clip.
At the Makkah, this is the first time in the history of Sugar Land that we have live azaan and live transmission directly from Makkah and Medina.
I'll see you next time.
Now you have to admit when you when you see this you know this is this was a familiar sight for me growing up in India but I have to say I think.
India is a Hindu and Muslim country.
Hindus are the majority, but Muslims are a significant minority, which is not the case, by the way, here in America.
So it's remarkable that Islam is going after so much like public display.
Islam in America is no bigger than, let's say, Christians are in India.
And yet Christians in India are very low key.
They don't tend to take over stadiums and they don't proclaim like Christian supremacy.
None of that because they're in a Hindu country.
That's right.
And but here is something else is going on.
And one of the phrases that you introduced me to, which, frankly, I hadn't heard before, even though I've studied some of this and written about radical Islam, the phrase is what Adnan, is that what it's called?
Adhan. Adhan.
What is an Adhan?
Yeah. Adhan is basically a declaration of supremacy over all other religions from
But I want to read something really, really fast here.
So this rare article says, Sugar Land, Texas, a once sleepy American suburb steeped in family values and traditional civic life is being rapidly transformed.
I'd like to make the correction that, no, this has been the case for decades.
It's been going on.
It's been going on for a very long time.
Yeah. It's only been rapidly maybe noticed.
This is the first ever open-air iftar in the region.
Obviously, an iftar is a gathering of Muslims where they also pipe in Mecca and Medina.
Oh, right.
You know, so basically it's...
Like, their dream come true, right?
And according to this article, it's marked territorial ideological milestone for Texas.
So it's basically an Islamic called a prayer or adhan.
Okay, adhan meaning, so, you know, in some Muslim countries, you hear...
The call to prayer in speakers all over the place, right?
Loud speakers with like chanting and like a song and all of that.
That's called adhan because they are declaring that they are the supreme religion.
Their Allah is the supreme Allah over all other religions.
In other words, their God is the only true God is what they're saying.
Yeah. But I mean, how unusual is that, right?
Isn't that what, I wouldn't say every religion, because Hinduism would be a notable exception, but wouldn't Christians say our God is the only God?
Well, there's a difference between saying it, believing it, and trying to change everything else around it.
So according to this, the Adhan is a proclamation of Islamic supremacy over all other belief systems, right?
Basically, their proclamation is, I'm going to put the Muslim of Muslim control, right?
So it's set, it's rooted in the belief that there is Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb, meaning there's either Islam Or there's war, right?
A house of Islam and house of war.
Yeah, so Christians obviously do not believe that.
We obviously believe in peace.
We obviously believe in if you're going to get saved by the blood of Jesus.
It's a peaceful thing that you do with a personal relationship between you and Jesus.
Nobody is going to get on an airplane and say, in the name of Jesus, I'm going to blow this plane up.
Have you ever heard such a thing?
No. It only happens in this religion.
So, people that are afraid that this is going to somehow seep into our government, you know, So part of what you're saying,
I think, is that you can't look at this type of Islamic activism in the same way as, let's say, you know, The Irish mobilizing in New York.
Because the Irish went into government.
They became cops.
And so ethnic groups have banded together through American history.
But you're saying this is different because it has a totalitarian ambition.
It does.
It does.
And it also, you know, it's like they claim to want to have unity.
But they really don't want unity.
They really want dominance.
And that's where the problem lies, is in their wanting domination over your religion and even over people that are secular, you know?
Yeah, I think we're identifying...
We're not saying...
There are ordinary Muslims who are living their lives in America.
They work in tech companies.
We know a couple of guys who work with us and do things with us.
One of them drives us to the airport and other places.
But what you're talking about is a political aspect of Islamic radicalism that has this agenda.
And while there might be some fanatics in other religions who have similar agendas...
They, in other religions, they're extremely marginalized, whereas in Islam, they're not so marginalized.
I mean, first of all, they have control of a major state, Iran, one of the biggest Muslim countries in the world.
They're very powerful in other powerful Islamic states like Turkey, Pakistan.
So they are the...
And you notice that, obviously, in Iran, it's Shia, right?
Right. Versus...
Sunni. Sunni.
But yet...
Their domination of the world, in other words, the caliphate, it transcends that.
In other words, it doesn't matter if you're Sunni or Shia or maybe even Ishmaeli.
I'm not sure.
The caliphate is...
They unite against the West and against Christians and against Jews.
I mean, this goes back ultimately, I think, to Mecca and Medina, right?
So the Prophet Muhammad is pushed out of Mecca.
He goes to Medina.
He is able to establish a beachhead there and conquer Medina.
Well, then he could have said, well, listen, the Meccans don't want me, so I'll make my base in Medina.
But of course, his first objective was, let me conquer Mecca.
And so he was able to conquer Mecca and then uniting Mecca and Medina to begin a regime of conquest that, quite frankly, went for several centuries and brought the Muslims into Asia, into North Africa.
They were at the gates of Vienna.
So you're saying that the...
This original aspiration to conquer territory, subjugate it, bring it under Islamic rule, it has not died off.
It remains the guiding goal of these radical Muslims.
And they seem to ignore their own rule of abrogation.
Because in the rule of abrogation, as you know, it says that whatever was said in...
In Medina is abrogated by what's said in Mecca, correct?
So basically, you're not supposed to really be friends with Christians, or you're not really supposed to be friends with Jews, and you can lie to them.
Takiyah, right?
Takiyah meaning the word meaning like deception.
Deception. You can deceive them in order to achieve your goal, right?
Which is the caliphate.
So, because a lot of Muslims will say, oh no, but you know, in the scripture, you know, in the Quran, it says that we are to live peacefully.
Yeah, but that's been abrogated by, no, we need jihad.
This is actually something that Christians would find quite mysterious, right?
Because while you have a New Testament and an Old Testament, nobody says that the New Testament somehow Overrides or wipes out the Old Testament.
We don't abrogate the Old Testament.
We don't have a rule of abrogation like the Muslims do.
There is a sort of abrogation.
The abrogation, however, I think in Christianity is covenantal.
And that means that the old covenant of God with the Israelites...
is overridden, is in fact abrogated by the new covenant that God makes with all his people.
So the new covenant does supersede the old covenant, but the New Testament doesn't supersede the Old Testament.
In fact, it incorporates it.
That's right.
That's right.
Well, we should be, you know, like I said, this has been going on for decades.
In fact, in 2010, you know, people like Frank Gaffney and others try to sound the alarm of Sharia law.
It is telling, you know, we talk about Ilhan Omar and Minnesota, but it is telling that right here in red Texas, you've got...
Strong, I mean, you know they have a strong Islamic presence in, say, Dallas.
Yeah, well, we just talked not too long ago about the city, right?
Right. The Muslim city that they want to build over there.
The whole housing development with mainly populated by Muslims.
People thought, oh, the Dallas area, you know, is bad.
No, I mean, the Houston area is too.
And I do think that they like the suburbs because the suburbs tend to be less liberal.
In a sense of, like, you know, morality liberal.
So they go to the suburbs.
But that's not to say that...
That they're conservative in the way we're conservative, in the way Christians are conservative.
They're socially conservative.
There's obviously a moral conservatism in Islam itself, but you're saying that can be combined with a subjugational, a subjugationist element or a political radicalism.
That's right.
So it's a very peculiar combination.
They're not loyal to one party or the other.
That's what we need to, like, understand.
They're not going to be, we can't get them to say, well, They need to be good Republicans because, for the most part, they go with whichever party forwards their agenda.
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Let's pivot and talk about Trump and tariffs.
And you were asking me, I think this morning, maybe yesterday, about what is the real difference between Trump...
2.0 and Trump 1.0 with regard to tariffs.
Yeah. And I was saying that I think that it's two things.
One is in the first Trump term, tariffs were less prominent.
There were tariffs, but they were not front and center.
And second of all, Trump did his tax cuts first.
So he did the tax cuts.
And got them implemented, got them passed, and he had, like now, a narrow majority, but he was able to nevertheless get the tax cuts through, and we have them to this day.
And so now it seems the priority is reversed.
Now, just a couple of days ago, the House of Representatives did pass after some opposition, the kind of one big, beautiful tax bill that Trump is talking about.
So the tax bill is, in fact, moving.
But Trump has ruffled feathers and roiled the waters because he has made a much bigger deal of tariffs.
The tariffs themselves are much larger.
They're more comprehensive.
and we seem to be in a straight out
Well, you know, I was thinking about that as we were driving to the podcast.
I'm thinking, you know, I wonder if because Trump was so hard on China in 2016, 2018.
I wonder if they retaliated with COVID.
And I wonder what they're going to unleash on the world with these tariffs.
I mean, do you think that they could do something that horrific again?
Well, I don't put anything...
It's not as if moral scruples will prevent the Chinese from doing...
What they're going to do or what they can do.
So I think we have to view them suspiciously as really a potential adversary.
We shouldn't make enemies where we don't need to make them, but we should not treat the Chinese, we can't trust them.
I think that's obvious.
The other thing about it is, now we've built up an economy that is very dependent on China.
And I think this is bad in multiple ways.
Many people focus on the defense aspect of it, which is kind of legitimate.
But above and beyond that, the first thing is when China sells all this stuff to us, much more than we sell over there, what does that mean?
Well, what that means is that giant amount of US dollars...
The U.S. government needs to issue these bonds because they're overspending.
They need to pay to overspend.
Just spend that money.
And they do it by issuing these bonds, which are basically IOUs.
So the Chinese are sitting on this giant hill of US treasuries.
That's not good.
It's not good that they have almost the ability.
They have the ability to basically dump those treasuries on the market.
And if they did that, then the US Federal Reserve...
would have to buy those treasuries, which is another way of saying print money.
Print more money.
Right? Because where does the Federal Reserve get the money to buy these treasuries?
That's right.
It invents it.
It makes it up.
It creates it out of thin air.
This puts us in a bad situation.
The other bad situation is you've got people who are truly, I think, addicted is the right word.
Guilty. But I told you, though.
They're very deceptive because whenever I order stuff, it says it's made in America.
Debbie orders these wreaths for our front door and when you look at them, you're like, what did I order?
No, it gets better.
Okay, so you remember during COVID and everybody was like, oh, I need toilet paper and it was all, you know, like gone from the shelves at the grocery stores.
So what do I do?
I go to Amazon and I order toilet paper.
The toilet paper was the The size of children's, like, butts.
It was tiny.
It was tiny.
It was like so...
And wasn't it just like a...
I mean, it was only like three feet long.
Oh, my gosh.
It wasn't really a normal roll.
It wasn't a normal roll.
It was little tiny rolls, and I thought, is this a joke?
No, it's from China.
Okay. Well, every time I order something from Amazon or Walmart or whatever, I think I'm going to get something really good because I look and it says made in the USA, and that's a lie.
It was not made in the USA.
It was made in China.
The company may be in the USA, but they do all their manufacturing in China.
Now, the wreaths, okay, this is how deceptive they were.
They said, USA-made company, right?
I was like, oh, that's good.
And then they do AI on the wreaths, and they superimpose them on doors.
And they're like, this is what it looks like on a door.
Lies! Okay, it's AI.
They made them big to look like they were proportionate.
The actual wreaths are...
Oh my gosh!
Yeah, so I get them and I'm like, oh my gosh, they are for, again, a Barbie house.
They're not for our house.
They're tiny little wreaths.
So what do we do?
We give them away because sending them back is even more expensive.
You know...
In free market discussions, people always assume that the customer knows best, the market knows best.
Not in this case.
Oops. You're talking about the way in which products can be deceptively marketed.
But let's even put that aside.
Let's assume they're not deceptively marketed, right?
Here's the question, I think, and that is that if you look at, well, let's look at a place like Italy.
Where if you go into a home, and it doesn't have to be, even if it's, let's take an upper middle class home, an Italian family, the guy is working for a big company, he's got an excellent job, he's being really well paid.
You look inside his closet, you'll see like three suits.
Even though he's wearing a suit every day to work, he owns three.
Now, they're generally good quality suits.
One of them could be like an Armani suit, it could be like $1,500, but he doesn't have like 10 suits.
And then you look down in his shoe closet and he has like three pairs of shoes, right?
And why?
Because he's got a pair of dress shoes, he's got a pair of sneakers, and then he's got a pair of like, you know, loafers.
And that's it, right?
Then I go and look in my closet and I notice I've got like...
More sweaters than I can count.
You think?
And I like sweaters.
More polos.
I got more polos than I can count.
More shoes.
And at some point you realize this is like ridiculous.
Diva man.
Right? Well, I mean, obviously we do a podcast every day.
And so, you know, I wear polos on the podcast.
And so, but nevertheless, the point I'm trying to make is that there is an excess.
Oh. For sure.
That is really not adding a whole lot to our comfort.
It's not improving our lifestyle.
Look at all the shoes I have and look how many I wear.
Right. Well, you are a bit of a shoe addict.
I am.
But I buy these shoes and then I'm like, ooh, they hurt.
So then I don't wear them.
But I like to see them in the closet.
But I only wear very comfy shoes these days.
Like, really comfy.
But obviously...
Well, here's what I'm talking about.
The reason we're mentioning all this is because there is a trade-off right now, and Trump is very aware of this, between American consumerism from China on this side and American jobs from domestically manufactured products on this side.
And the question is, which should be given more priority?
Because it is a seesaw, right?
If we do more business with China, It helps the consumer.
More goods, you know, eight more pairs of shoes for you.
Shoes cost, you know, $27.95 in Walmart instead of costing, let's just say $75 or more.
And maybe my pricing structure is completely off, which I probably am.
Or we let the price of shoes be what it is, what it may be.
And we emphasize, let's start making a lot more shoes in America, but not just shoes, but also steel and cars and other things.
It's more important to have more well-paying jobs and fortify eroded, tattered communities that have succumbed to despair and drugs.
It's more important to do that kind of domestic rebuilding.
I think that's what...
Trump's eye is on that.
And, of course, corporate America is freaking out because guess what?
They benefit more from Chinese trade.
That's right.
And so what's all this business about, oh, you know, Trump is in it for his billionaire friends and his millionaire friends?
Think of how ridiculous that's been exposed as totally preposterous.
Well, look at the governor of Michigan, Gretchen.
Whitmer. Gretchen Whitmer.
She's for the tariffs.
Well, she's kind of made a pilgrimage to Trump.
I'm not even sure what her views of this are.
And you know that she's not happy about being on Trump's side with anything.
Democrats, by and large.
If Trump is over here, they want to be over here.
If he's up, they're down.
If he's down, they're up.
But I think in her case...
She's got a lot of...
She's got car companies in Michigan.
She's got other manufacturing in Michigan.
A lot of that's gone away.
She's got unions in Michigan that support the tariffs.
So this is a very...
I won't say it's strange bedfellows.
I'm not saying that there's a full alliance between them.
But there is some common ground on tariffs and for this reason.
Well, I think the Democrats are mad because really the party now with Trump...
...at the helm is really more for the working class and even, incredibly, the...
Unions. The unions, yes, which used to be very democratic, very much on the Democrats' role.
I remember in the Reagan era, first of all, we hated unions.
Yes, absolutely.
We weren't opposed to the idea of unions, but we hated the way that the unions had become an extension of the state.
Whenever there's a You know You'd have management And unions sit down To meet The government would intervene On the side of the union So it's putting its finger On the scale
Yeah, no.
figure out how you can continue to make profit and we can continue to be well paid.
That kind of give and take is fine.
But that's not what was going on.
But interestingly, you'll rarely hear Trump say a negative word about unions.
Yeah, no.
Yeah. There were unions that backed Trump in 2024.
That's right.
Yeah, with the Democrats, it became very corrupt, which is kind of, you know, it makes sense because everything's corrupt with the Democrats, right?
So, but now it's really interesting how things have shifted and how you cannot claim that Trump is trying to help billionaires because there are many billionaires who are quite upset with Trump right now because of the tariffs.
No question.
Let's talk about these judges.
And about the Supreme Court, there have been now at least two, maybe three, pretty notable Supreme Court interventions slapping down these runaway judges.
And yet, at least for a lot of MAGA right-wingers, they're viewing the Supreme Court with skepticism partly because, first of all, these have been fairly narrow rulings.
Amy Coney Barrett, for example, going the other way in one of the very critical rulings that had Roberts also gone that way, we would have lost.
That's right.
But there has to be some way to stop the judges from just second guessing everything Trump does.
It's just out of control, right?
There are 600 of these judges.
They could stop every executive action by just saying, we need to litigate this.
And in the meantime, I'm going to put a temporary restraining order.
And then let's just take months and months and sort of argue it in front of my courtroom as if I, the judge, now get to say if you, Trump, are permitted to do this.
Well, first of all, why are we shocked by this?
Didn't they do this type of thing, lawfare, to try to get Trump not to be able to run for president?
So hasn't this been like a thing with these Democrats from the very, from the get-go?
I don't think that this is, I mean, you're right that this isn't the same judicial kind of let's get Trump.
That's right.
But I don't think it fits the lawfare model in this sense that lawfare really is, you know, using the law to try to criminalize or go after Trump or Trumpsters, right?
Here, the judges are taking something that traditionally is a judicial responsibility, which is to say, to determine the constitutionality.
of an action, either by Congress or the president.
That is the judge's job.
But here is, I think, where that breaks down.
And that is that these district court judges are issuing nationwide injunctions.
The plaintiffs could be like three guys.
Let's just say three Mexicans who say, we should not have been deported.
The judge then interprets this, even though it's not a class action suit.
The judge says, okay.
I'm going to treat these three Mexicans as representing the entire illegal population that has been, let's say, deported under this.
So not just his jurisdiction, but all jurisdictions.
And not just those particular plaintiffs, but all similarly situated people.
And then the judge issues a nationwide rule.
Now, for a while I thought, I know that this is something that is customary.
Judges have been doing this.
That's not new.
But I thought there has to be some...
Constitutional or statutory authorization for judges to have this kind of power.
And as it turns out, there is none.
There's no statement in the Constitution that says a federal judge can issue these nationwide injunctions, nor is there any law, nor is there any Supreme Court ruling that says that this is the way it has to be.
So what we have here is something...
That is customary.
But customary doesn't mean it's okay.
I mean, look, it is customary for Republicans and Democrats to loot the Treasury by making deals with lobbyists that result in them voting against their constituents' interests in exchange for large donations that help them to get re-elected.
That's customary.
But does that mean that that is a kind of honest carrying out of what democracy should be?
No. So it has been allowed, it's been going on, but it's clearly not right.
And in this case, it's not only not right, there is no legal authorization for it.
Why do you think Amy Coney Barrett said that she agreed with the liberal judges?
Why do you think that is?
I think it is because on certain issues, Amy Coney Barrett is...
Very soft.
And the two issues in particular, I'm going to call them essentially George Floydism and immigration.
This has to do with the fact that she is Catholic, and it has to do with the fact that she has multiple adopted black children.
So, for example, if you listen to what Amy Coney Barrett was saying after George Floyd.
It was as, it was the same as a lot of liberal pablum.
This is a very disturbing day for our family.
I've been having some very meaningful conversations with my children.
I had no idea.
Yeah, yeah.
She's acting as if it's like a crisis in her family because this home invader, George Floyd, had his body riddled with drugs.
So she bought into that whole cult.
I'm sure if she was there with Nancy Pelosi, she'd be taking a knee.
Oh my gosh.
And so on that issue, she's horrible.
Yeah. Similarly, as you know, the Catholic Church Oh, I know.
has converted.
They basically found immigration, illegal immigration, to be a huge source of profit.
That's right.
A source of profit that is much needed, by the way, after, you know, a lot of people have been turned away from the church, all these, you know, scandals.
They've had to pay a lot out in lawsuits.
So they've been looking for a new way to make money, aside from the collection plate.
Yeah, but I will say this.
So the Catholic Church...
As a whole does this, and they use it as...
Catholic charities.
Yeah, as morality.
But I mean, even the church, even the church, as morality.
And then all the other churches, like, take a cue from them.
Oh, we must be good to our neighbors.
We must be good to the foreigners.
Let's bring them in.
Without them getting any compensation, they just think it's the morally right thing to do.
So they fall trap.
Into that, you know, into that way of thinking.
Whereas it's like, no, they are breaking the law.
These are criminals.
This is not something that is like a moral justification to ignore federal laws, right?
Exactly. But they all fall prey into it.
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Yeah, let's talk about the Frisco team.
This is the kid who was stabbed by the black guy named Carmelo.
Anthony. You know, and you were showing me that in the black community, they've raised a bunch of money for this guy's defense.
And you showed me a video, which is all over X these days, where a quite kind of brash Young woman is saying, oh yeah, the days of Rosa Parks and sitting in the back of the bus,
those days are over.
I think what she meant is that the peaceful civil rights movement is over, and now if you put your hands on somebody, you know, she was acting like Carmelo is justified in stabbing this kid because that's self-defense.
Because my...
My space is sacred and if you invade my space, well, you've aggravated me to the point where I have the right to kill you.
Yeah, so he's turned that into self-defense, right?
Self-defense.
Which is ridiculous on the face of it because a push, a shove, even a slap does not warrant a murder.
I mean, it just doesn't.
Am I not right that for self-defense, you have to have a reasonable expectation that your life is in imminent danger?
Absolutely. Not just in danger, but in imminent danger.
Yes. And it should be your life.
Now, look, I mean, I grant, when I first came to America, I was struck by something that we don't have in India, which was this idea of personal space.
You know about this, right?
In a lot of cultures, I think in Venezuela as well, you know, People don't respect each other's space.
So, for example, somebody will come and lean up against your car and touch your car.
Or you.
Or they will come and speak like five inches from your face.
And so, in America, you've got this idea, you know, this is my space.
But that's a whole different thing from a justification to end somebody's life.
I think this is really where things have gone completely out of control.
They have.
They have.
And I'm sorry, but...
If I was a juror...
In Frisco.
I mean, look, the facts are the facts.
It doesn't matter what the young man did as far as like, you know, hey, you're in my seat or you shouldn't be in this tent, you know.
And then if they say, oh, yeah, touch me and you'll see what happens.
Yeah, usually in those kind of cases, it's like, touch me and you see what happens.
I'm going to push you back or whatever.
Right. Touch me and see what happens.
I'm going to stab you in the heart and kill you forever and ever.
At the end of it, is not something that should be tolerated in our society.
And I don't care if you're purple, if you're blue, if you're black, if you're Latino, if you're white, it does not matter.
That does not constitute self-defense.
Yeah, and there's also, I think, a big difference between outlining the cultural factors that create this twisted sense of, You know, this guy dissed me and I'm disrespected and I have to stand up for my own honor.
I mean, there was a twisted culture of honor, for example, in the old American South, where people would fight duels over the smallest things.
I mean, you could have a guy, a plantation owner, in fact, a respectable guy, and he would be with a college classmate that he had been to school with.
And the college classmate, as a joke, let's say, would pull out the stool from behind you so you'd sit on the ground, right?
But if you rubbed this guy the wrong way, if you offended his southern honor, he would challenge you to a duel to the death over something so idiotic.
Even though you were playing a prank, his sense of honor would be injured.
And I think what we're seeing, it's funny because in some ways that same culture of honor and shame has been transmitted or transmuted to the underclass black community.
Now, interestingly, you were telling me that this Carmelo guy is not from the ghetto.
He's not like underclass black guy.
He's a middle class black guy.
But I was saying that, guess what?
It is ironic that in the black community, the middle class community,
And in fact, as you know, there are white kids who love rap music and kind of want to be blacks.
I like rap music.
You like rap music as well.
That's true.
But have you heard the term wigger?
So wigger is a white guy who is, in a sense, culturally black.
Yeah. And so this is the phenomenon that we're talking about.
All right, let's talk about Megyn Kelly because there's an interesting traditionalism.
I see now on the X platform, by the way, supported by a lot of men and a lot of women, which is sniffing out any signs of feminism and like hammering it.
And the latest target of all people is Megyn Kelly because the theme of the traditionalists is basically that men and women are not only different, because it's one thing to say you're different.
It goes much further than that.
It's that men and women have completely different roles in society and that there needs to be an affirmation of a societal standard of the man as breadwinner, provider, the woman as homemaker,
raising the kids.
Now, Megyn Kelly, I think, rather innocently walked into this debate and said something like, back off, everybody!
We need to celebrate strong women who have careers.
I think Megyn Kelly was just, in a way, I don't even think she was thinking of it ideologically.
I think she just thought, well, I'm just kind of stating the sort of strong woman ideal that my own life, in a way, reflects.
But she, like, walked into this buzzsaw.
of attacks, where by and large, the theme of it was, hey, Megyn Kelly, listen, you don't have a typical life.
You know, you are, first of all, you are a multimillionaire.
You have, you can have a nanny and you can have a whole retinue of servants running around and doing this and doing that.
We're talking now about the normal American family and what is the best way to flourish in a difficult economic environment.
What do you make of all this stuff with this trad wife anti-feminism that is out there now?
It's something that, in fact, our friend Brayden Sorbo talked about in connection with his book.
You were actually chuckling throughout the conversation because he was speaking about it in a very Gen Z type of rhetoric.
But the issue is much broader than that.
Well, first of all, this is one of those Where I think it is a choice that a woman can make whether or not to be a career woman and go full hog on that and just,
you know, devote all your time to that or be a stay-at-home mom.
Take care of your kids.
Now, I think what Megyn Kelly's trying to say is that you can do all of it, right?
I think that's what she's trying to say.
She is a mom.
She does take care of her kids and all that, and she has a wonderful career.
But as you mentioned, her career is a little different than most careers of normal people because, you know, if you're, let's say, a school teacher, right, and you have five kids, and you have to put the five kids in daycare,
There goes your paycheck.
And more.
And more, right?
So is it worth you going to work just so you can have a career and then pay all this money in daycare?
But I think that this traditional critique goes even beyond that, because let's now take somebody who's a partner in a law firm and making a million dollars a year, and they have four kids.
They can easily afford to pay for daycare, but I think the traditionalists would say, Yeah, but you're still abandoning your kids because you stick them in daycare, and sure, economically you come out ahead, but that's not really what your kids need.
What they actually need is a mom.
Yeah. Well, look, take it personally, what I feel personally, my biggest regret in life is not being there full time for my children when they were little.
I was off singing.
I did teach school.
I taught 11 years on and off.
And then I, and then I, my, my.
You would travel though.
But I mean, you also taught.
In your son's school.
Yeah. So it's not as if you were off over here and your kids were over there.
You're actually teaching in this very school that your son is.
And in part, that was your motive for teaching there.
Right. It was.
It was.
But, you know, again, that was just a couple of years of my time, right?
Right. So, yes, I do regret not being there full time for my children because I do feel like...
It's not that I did not neglect my kids.
My mom lived with us, and so we were a very close-knit family and all of that, and they were well taken care of.
But I just, as a personal note, I do regret that.
And we sometimes talk about the fact that this is actually one of our great blessings, because when we meet people, we often find that even people who have quite successful lives in many ways, Nevertheless, they have major problems with at least one of their kids.
This guy's on drugs or that guy is such a rebel or this guy is like no longer maintains any contact with the family or massive feuding.
And so in some ways, if you have kids and they're not feuding and they are not on drugs and they're not in rehab, but they have jobs.
All the kind of issues that we will talk about in relation with our kids just seem so minor that it's almost like a joy to have those kinds of problems instead of some of the very serious problems that people have.
Which must be a real drain on their well-being.
Yeah, no, it is.
It is.
Now, we're very fortunate, indeed, that that is the case.
And we're excited.
We're going to be grandparents for the second time soon.
That's true.
And remember, we are in a couple of weeks, we'll have Dee fill in for you while we go to Israel, but we have baby number two coming up in May.
Yeah, very exciting.
I think it's going to be a boy, but...
I don't know.
I mean, you know.
Well, I have to chuckle because you had, sometimes Debbie operates on dreams and you had two separate dreams.
You had a dream that it was a boy and then you had another dream that it wasn't a boy and Danielle was like, you thought it was going to be a boy.
Yes, yes.
And then Danielle was like, you thought it was going to be a boy and it's turning out to be a girl.
You were wrong.
And I was like, oh.
So I had two different dreams.
One canceling out the other.
One canceling out the other.
But I don't know.
I'm just saying.
I think it might be a boy.
This time around.
Let's close out by talking about your aura ring.
About actual boys and girls?
Yeah, you have a...
Well, tell people what this aura ring is because it connects to an issue we want to talk about, which is the difference between boys and girls, men and women.
So this ring is something that...
Well, you've had it now for about a year?
I've had it for two years.
Two years.
Yeah. And you wear it pretty much all the time.
I wear it all the time.
It's actually, the reason I got it was, and I know there are people out there like, oh, you don't want your data going around and having, you know, people see your data and all that.
But this is actually, it was done because I was having issues with sleep.
And I know sleep is very important, especially at my age.
When you start getting up there, you start sleeping less and having more insomnia.
And as you know, all those things affect your well-being during the day and your productivity and all of that.
So it's called Aura, O-U-R-A, and we're not sponsors of Aura or anything like that.
Well, but I mean it's like this electronic marvel where it registers all this data.
Yes, so it registers my REM sleep, it registers my deep sleep, it registers my heartbeat, my heart rate, all those things.
It gives me a score.
Oh, hold on.
So I think what is very funny is very often in the morning I'll say to you, how do you sleep?
Right? And a normal person would be like, I feel so rested.
I slept great.
But you say, hold on.
I've got to look at my score.
And then you go, I got an 88. I must have slept.
So your aura ring tells you how to feel about your sleep.
It really does.
And let me tell you, so last night, I thought I had a pretty good night's sleep.
My score was only an 82. And I didn't get a crown.
You only get a crown if it's like 88 and above.
Hardly anybody gets over 95. And 95 is like the top.
I've never gotten a 96. 95 is it.
But I didn't get that last night.
I got an 82. Now, we were having a conversation about the aura and you made a very interesting point, right?
And that is you said that your aura ring is rooted...
In human biology, in the unalterable biological givens of human nature.
That's right.
And explain what you mean by this.
Well, so when you buy the aura ring, you have to fill out a bunch of information, personal information, basic data.
One of those is, are you male or female?
But it says, assigned at...
Birth, right?
In other words, not what you identify with.
Right. And so I'm sure that they have, and then they have this little asterisk next to it, kind of like, click here so you understand why we're asking you this.
Yeah. Right?
So it says, why we ask.
We base our algorithms and development on scientific research.
We ask about sex assigned at birth because with this information and other factors, we can best interpret your bio signals and give you personalized recommendations.
We use sex assigned at birth to optimize our activity tracking feature like workout heart rate, METs, metabolic equivalent, and basal metabolic rate.
We develop Okay, so here's how I interpret that, because all of this, of course, makes total sense.
What they're basically saying is that you have a feminine anatomy, and it's going to register feminine metrics.
And it doesn't matter if you claim you're a boy, grow a mustache, or, you know, Based a mustache on your lips.
It doesn't matter if you wear male clothing.
Or take hormones.
Or take hormones.
Your basic biological structure remains female and mine male.
That's right.
And so a ring like this, which is essentially a quasi-medical device, is useless if you...
Essentially go based upon imaginary facts about yourself.
And by imaginary, I mean in your mind.
Right. Yeah, so they're saying that it doesn't matter what's in your mind, that it actually matters what's in your physiology.
Yeah, and even there, they're a little wimpy about it because they go with the term assigned at birth as if to say that someone is making an arbitrary assignation.
That's right.
They really should say sex observed at birth.
Right, right.
Now, I don't know what an aura ring would do for like that guy from the...
The Algerian.
The Algerian guy.
You know, I don't know about that.
The Algerian guy is...
And I don't even mean this negatively.
He's a freak of nature.
By that I mean he has...
Ambiguous genitalia.
Yeah, but what I'm saying is I don't know what the algorithm for someone like that would be if they have both.
You know what I mean?
It could mess with your sleep.
I think the important lesson here is that it was summed up by the writer Samuel Johnson.
And it allows you to keep your mind clear of these things.
And basically what Johnson says is that the fact of Twilight does not eliminate the distinction.
Between day and night.
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