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DOGE FREAKOUT Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1026
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Coming up, today's episode is called Doge Freak Out.
Debbie and I are going to talk about the left's reaction to Doge, the controversy over Trump's IVF executive order, the tragedy of the Bebas family in Israel, the strange breakdown in airline safety, and a recent trip that we took down under.
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Debbie and I here for our Friday roundup and it's been a, well, kind of an action-packed week.
um I thought we would start talking about this Doge business, and we came up with the idea of the Doge freakout, because Doge has remained, I mean, there's a lot of other stuff going on, right?
There is...
There is the cabinet confirmations.
There is the stuff in the Middle East, which we'll touch on.
There are tax plans coming down the pike.
There's a lot of stuff going on, but Doge has become sort of the center stage operation, and the left is reacting to that.
They, I mean, I've seen all kinds of stuff from, Elon Musk is really not an American, you know, to, he used to support, they're almost implying that because South Africa used to have the apartheid system, that Elon Musk is now somehow in, you know, he might be kind of a secret white supremacist, even though they have in no way been able to tie him to any of that.
So, something is going on here.
I mean, I think part of it is the...
The sheer audacity and originality of Doge and what it's doing.
But the left, in trying to protect this corrupt system, I think looks really bad.
Well, I mean, that's the scenario of the baby getting their candy taken away from them, isn't it?
I mean, when it comes down to it, a lot of corruption under it.
Some of them were getting...
Probably money from it.
You know, like recently, you know, the Stacey Abrams, apparently her NGO was receiving $2 billion, is it?
Well, they were earmarked or they were designated to get this job.
I mean, people need to step back and think about what $2 billion even means, right?
It's $2,000 million.
So think of how many families have to work hard.
For a whole year to pay in the tax system.
Apparently, $20 billion was set, was earmarked.
For various climate groups, not all Stacey Abrams.
But this just shows you the rampant irresponsibility of the Biden-Harris administration and just their complete lack of concern with the taxpayer and with the Treasury.
They're just, you know, I think when Ayn Rand used the phrase, the looters, Pretty good description of how these people, these are people inside the government purporting to be public servants, and they are looters.
Well, I mean, look, all these politicians that are multi-millionaires, like, for example, Warren.
Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders.
They're multi-millionaires, right?
On a $200,000 salary.
And when asked, how did you get to be a millionaire on that salary?
She couldn't answer.
And she loves to attack.
It used to be the millionaires until she became a millionaire.
Now she attacks billionaires, right?
But these people, the left, you know, and I've talked about this before in South America, this is how they line their pockets.
They love to, in the name of, you know, we're going to give you, you know, handouts in the name of, like, charity, they give some away and then they put the rest in their pocket.
Yeah, they make themselves the middleman of these operations.
We saw it with the Clintons when they were supposedly helping money in Haiti.
And then you see all these press conferences where these poor Haitians show up and they go, we never got that money.
That's right.
Or we got a tiny sliver of it.
Even Zelensky, you know, has said that a large amount of money that was supposed, he reads in the press that they've assigned, you know, $175 million to Ukraine.
And he goes, well, I didn't get most of that.
It never arrived.
So somebody is intercepting it along the way.
In theory, I suppose it could be that they have it, they just haven't paid it.
But more likely, that money has found its way into the pockets of somebody in the United States, whether it's bureaucrats, whether it's politicians, whether maybe it's defense contractors.
But one way or another, this money is...
I mean, let me point out something interesting, which I mentioned earlier in the week, the plummeting real estate prices in D.C., which I find to be fantastic.
Why?
Because it really shows that all this huge ripoff operation...
Is what is funding these million and two million and three million dollar homes in D.C. and Maryland and suburban Virginia?
Because normally bureaucrats who are paid, as you say, $150,000 can't afford a three million dollar house.
But you can if your cousin has an NGO and got a $500,000 grant and then your son-in-law, on the other hand, has got another organization and is making money through lobbying.
So this is an incestuous, corrupt...
And I think that Doge probably at this point is only scratching the surface of it.
There's a lot more to go.
I'm sure there is.
But, you know, again, attacking two billionaires, because Trump is a billionaire, as of course, you know, Elon is the richest man in the world, attacking them saying, oh, you know, you just want the money is so ridiculous on the face of it, because these men don't want the money.
In fact, If I was a billionaire, I probably wouldn't be in government, you know, trying to fix up the country anyway.
I would be off living in some island, okay?
Well, you're saying that these are the only two guys who are not making money off of this operation.
Of course.
That Trump doesn't take a salary.
Elon is a volunteer.
Yes.
And the very idea that he would be, you know, he'd be doing this because he could, why?
No.
people often forget that the most grasping people for money are not the people who have already more money than they can spend.
Right.
It's the people who have a lot but want more.
Right.
So the upper middle class bureaucrat, these are people who are well-educated.
They probably think that they deserve more money than they're getting, even though they do absolutely nothing.
And so, when they have a chance to get their hands on some government program, figure out how to funnel it over here and over there and back into my pocket.
They're the ones who really benefit from it.
They see a big lifestyle improvement.
That way they can have a nice second home, a place on the Maryland shore.
They can take luxurious vacations.
And they don't feel bad about it because in some way they've developed a party ideology that rationalizes it.
We're at the service of the public.
They use this whole language that is...
Absolutely misleading.
Almost every word in it is false.
You know, don't criticize us.
We're public servants.
No, you're not.
You're not serving anybody except yourself.
And I think that's really what Doge is highlighting.
And these people have become supremely nervous.
Yeah.
Well, think about it.
A lot of these bureaucrats, this is really the only place they can make any money.
Especially the Democrats who go into these...
In order to line their pockets, right?
Because they can't be entrepreneurs because they're too stupid to be entrepreneurs.
So they go into government jobs and they line themselves up with people that can, you know, wink, wink, give them a little here, a little there.
And then suddenly their net worth is like $5 million.
So this is the point.
It's not that they're unintelligent, but that they have deployed their intelligence.
To master this system.
Yeah.
Right?
In other words, they are, it's like Obama.
I mean, they're cunning in certain ways.
They spend a lot of their time, like one of the things that people in D.C. do a lot is they do networking.
And what is the point of the networking?
The point of the networking is, who can line my pockets?
Who can advance me inside?
It's like, who's going to steer me and navigate me through this?
Because I want to come out rich at the end.
I want to be able to leave the government and land up at some pharmaceutical company or lobbying firm or defense contractor.
So this is the game that they're all playing.
But none of it involves productivity.
All the departments are mislabeled.
There's no education going on in the education department.
There's no energy being found in the energy department.
There's no transportation being done by the Department of Transportation.
All of these pompously labeled agencies are systems of looting the taxpayer.
And what do you think about this?
Because when you told me about the $5,000 that might make it to the pockets of the taxpayers, I thought, wait a minute.
I thought they were trying to save money.
Well, Trump's idea is to go in the middle.
Elon had actually proposed, give it all back.
And by the way, he got the idea right off some guy on X. Because I remember seeing the post on X and I thought, that's interesting.
And then I saw Elon reply to it.
And then he floated the idea to Trump.
Trump, as often as the case, I think is actually taking a better approach.
Trump goes, listen, let's apply 20% of it to the debt.
Let's give back 20% of it.
And then let's use the rest of it as a savings.
In other words, government just operating more.
So in other words, it would help the deficit, at least modestly, this year.
So I think that's a good way to split the difference.
Because I think the idea of the American people getting something, you get an unexpected check in the mail.
And look, I mean, you and I may say it's $1,000, it's $2,000, who cares?
But you know, for a lot of people, they do care.
I'll go further.
I think that maybe they should look at it.
And if you make more than $800,000, you shouldn't get it.
I agree completely.
I don't think you need to send a check to everybody.
We know about the marginal value of money.
For anybody who's making over $200,000, this is not going to be a significant amount of money.
It depends on where they live, right?
If they live in New York and they make $200,000, it's like living in Texas making $50,000.
I mean, I'm just saying.
No, those things you have to take.
And it's tricky to take those things.
Government can't function in this kind of tailored approach.
They generally use a fairly crude approach.
So I would say, by and large, let's just pick.
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And this is the executive order involving In vitro fertilization, or IVF. Now, the executive order itself doesn't do anything immediate, but it directs the government to explore ways of making IVF easier, more widely available, and also more affordable.
And some of the pro-life activists and spokesmen Have expressed dismay.
To them, in vitro fertilization is not substantially different, I think, the way they see it from abortion.
And we'll talk in a moment about why.
So they see this as Trump, again, moving away from a pro-life commitment.
I don't think you see it that way.
I don't know much about the issue, but I'm trying to think it out loud.
I think Trump's motivation is very good.
He thinks, listen, there are a lot of American families that can't have kids.
IVF is a way for them to have kids and not just adopt kids, but have kids that are their kids.
And so I think for Trump, that's the beginning and the end of the issue.
I don't even think he sees it in pro-life or...
Any of those terms.
Or pro-choice or whatever.
No, I don't think he sees it that way.
Yeah.
Well, you know, it's a really tough one for me because I had issues with infertility when I was in my 20s.
I had severe endometriosis.
And many women with endometriosis cannot conceive.
They cannot have children.
So I... I did not have in vitro, but I had other procedures that were done in order to make it easier for me to get pregnant.
And I was able to get pregnant three times.
I lost the first pregnancy.
And then I had to, you know, high risk.
I was in bed for my, you know, Justin.
Most of it, most of the pregnancy, and he came early.
And then with Juliana, I had really bad sciatica.
I always call her my pain in the butt.
But beside that, I had a fairly good pregnancy with her.
It was just that issue.
But that being said, I did consider in vitro because I thought, you know, if I can't do it, You know, naturally, I want to have a child.
Right.
I don't want to adopt.
And this is like, you know, the next best thing.
I didn't think of it moral or immoral.
I didn't even go there.
I mean, it wasn't.
And I do know women that have had children with in vitro.
And they have beautiful children.
And they love their kids.
And they have a great life and great family and all of that.
So if you were telling me that.
That is immoral and that is like the equivalent of an abortion.
I don't even know what to say.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Well, look, I think that when you look at the way in which the in vitro is done, what they do is they evidently generate these fertilized eggs.
What activists are saying is that some of those eggs, although fertilized, get discarded.
And so you have a conception, and yet it is essentially extinguished.
And only certain eggs are chosen.
And so the way that it is carried out has the same effect.
But see, I think here, this is a good example where you can make a moral argument.
But once you lose people's moral intuitions, it's very difficult to make the case politically.
When you're talking about abortion, people can see, all right, let's look inside the womb.
There is a conception.
There is a fetus.
It's moving around.
It's looking around.
When you try to bring a probe toward it, it cowers back as if it wants to protect itself.
And then a few months later, that's going to become a live baby in the crib.
And so I think our intuition supports the idea that extinguishing that is at the very least killing a child in the process of formation.
There's no other way to put it.
We think that, but the majority of Americans don't think that.
And that's what is so baffling to me, is that, you know, that is the issue that we should be focusing on.
And that is...
An abortion is actual murder.
And for the American people not to think that, that is, to me, that is where the...
So kind of what you're saying is that, look, we're not going to have a whole lot of success trying to make our in vitro case when we haven't even succeeded in convincing people that a...
You know, a six-month unborn child in the womb that you can see on the ultrasound.
If you haven't made the case there, you have a long way to go to make the case on in vitro.
We haven't even made the case for a six-week embryo.
We haven't even made that case.
The heartbeat bill.
Think of all the people that are not for that.
Right.
You know, there are only a few states that actually have that ban.
But in some instances, in some cases, in some states, they think that's too radical.
Yeah, but Trump, you know, you have a guy, this is not a guy who is, he's different in some ways.
Like if you sat Reagan down and you gave him a...
You know, a sort of a moral lesson about in vitro fertilization.
Reagan would be interested at a philosophical level.
Reagan was that way.
You could see Reagan, you know, thumbing through a book by C.S. Lewis or by Hayek.
Trump operates in a very different way.
In other words, he is less...
I don't think you can get him on this kind of philosophical disputation at all.
I think the way Trump looks at it is, hey, listen.
This pro-life issue is very controversial.
I don't think that abortion is a good idea, but I'm going to send it back to the states because I think that you have moral communities all around the country.
They don't all agree on this.
And we have got to respect the kind of laws that people want to live under in their own communities.
I think he thinks that with that decision, he has sort of closed out the issue.
I think he's going to be fairly deaf to this pro-life objection.
It's too obscure for him.
I don't even think he will grasp what the issue is.
Well, it's obscure, and it's also not going to be supported by the majority of women that want to have children.
I can tell you that right now.
Yeah, and I think what you're saying here is important, Look, there are many issues on our table, right?
Don't pick the one that you can get 10% of Americans behind with 90% of people against you.
We have this remarkable ability.
To pick issues that are really difficult for us.
It's kind of like, you know, it's kind of like if you're debating abortion, do you really want to be debating the guy who was, you know, the case of rape or incest, which is the hardest case.
And if you have the debate focus there...
Well, you're not going to get the majority of people behind you.
So the left is very ingenious in driving us to the edge and making us defend our case in the hardest cases.
And what's funny is there are many people on our side who like to do that.
Yeah, they do.
They pick that hill to die on, don't they?
It's kind of like, you know, even when you're talking about like, okay, we're going to grab an Al-Qaeda operative.
The question then becomes...
Well, is it really worth dunking him in water upside down and torturing him?
Yes.
I would say yes also.
But again, is that the issue?
You want to be out there in front explaining why this guy's gasping for air where he's suspended upside down?
Yeah, I know.
Yeah, you know how I feel about that.
No, I do.
But coming back to the fact that in politics, I mean, who was it who made the point?
I think it might have been, oh yes, it was the guy on CNN, Jennings.
He was saying part of the political, the natural talent of Trump is he picks issues that are 80-20 favoring the Republicans.
Things like, you know, should we give federal money?
Should we house illegals in hotels in New York and pay $300 a night for an illegal when you have ordinary American families that couldn't afford $100 a night or they're homeless?
Now, most Americans would be like, that is insane.
And Trump has a gift for focusing on those issues and making it impossible for the Democrats.
But unfortunately, the pro-life issue isn't that.
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You know, I saw this article in AP, Associated Press, and AP is just so abominable.
But the article, the headline talked about the latest hostage exchange.
And I thought to myself, oh, well, all right, we're going to see some hostages being released by Hamas, and then Israel is going to release.
But as it turns out, they were referring to the Bebas family.
Israel is getting corpses.
They're getting dead bodies.
And somehow AP thinks this is a hostage exchange.
There's no hostage exchange taking place.
Israel is releasing bad guys who are in prison, in captivity, and Hamas is giving them bodies in exchange.
And so I wanted to highlight that.
But you've really kind of been following the plight of the Bebas family at a level of detail that goes beyond anything I have.
Talk about that.
Well, you know, it was the image of the mom and her name, and I want to get this right, her name was Shiri Bebas.
You know, as you know, Justin's a redhead.
My baby's a redhead.
He's not a baby.
He's going to be 30. So I have this soft spot for redheads.
And when I saw the video of the Hamas cockroaches, I mean, listen, I call them much worse than that, okay?
But I'm not going to say it on air.
Grabbed her and her children from her house.
She had this petrified look on her face.
Like she knew what was going to happen to her and her kids.
Nine-month-old baby.
Four-year-old little boy.
Here she is being scooped up by these monsters.
And, of course, you know, that image is still seared in my mind, right?
And all along, you know, people have said, you know, are they alive?
Are they alive?
Last November, November of 23, actually, there were rumors that a missile had killed them, the three of them.
Nobody wanted to, you know, say it was true.
A lot of the Israelis were like, no, that's not true.
You know, Hamas lies a lot.
This can't possibly be true.
And apparently it was true.
They were killed.
Hamas has the audacity to say that it is Netanyahu who has blood on his hands and the U.S. because the missile that killed them was a U.S. missile.
Can you believe the nerve of these people?
I mean, sorry, not people, roaches.
Can you just...
I mean, I don't even have words.
So the fact that they led them out in caskets, all three of them, and then there was an elderly man who was also killed, and he was also in a casket.
And they act like this is just some, as you say, exchange.
When it's bodies.
Right.
I don't even know how to process the fact that these people should be wiped off the face of the earth.
And I'm talking about Hamas and the Palestinians that support Hamas.
Now, let me raise a delicate topic here because I think it is worth discussing.
And that is, I read, and you probably know if this is accurate, I believe it is, that...
While Hamas terrorists did in fact capture and take many hostages, in this particular case, they were taken by civilians.
In other words, it was...
Palestinian civilians, you know, you always hear the left go, you know, listen, we don't support Hamas either, or let's make a distinction between the Hamas terrorists, as if these terrorists all went through military training and have Hamas badges.
You know, no, there was recently a large demonstration in Gaza, and you could see that these are all civilians, and yet they are completely behind Hamas.
Oh, honey, not only that, but who is Hamas made up of?
Civilians.
Palestinians, okay?
Who joins, who's recruited, who's trained.
I mean, our American military is made up of Americans, right?
Civilian Americans that go into the army or Navy.
Get ROTC scholarships, join the army.
So these are Palestinians, okay?
Not only that, but when these monsters were taking some of these hostages and some corpses, Into Gaza.
The people that were surrounding the cars, the vehicles that were taking these hostages, they were cheering, they were, you know, like, hands up, the whole thing.
And they were not dressed in Hamas outfits.
These were civilians.
Civilians that were just as cruel as these...
Hamas terrorists, or whatever you want to call them.
So no, I think it's one and the same.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, the fact that this is so moving and outrageous to you here in America, in Texas, I mean, you can only imagine the reaction in Israel.
You can only imagine what Netanyahu is thinking.
And I think you said to me just a moment ago that he is vowing to retaliate.
Because he knows that this is not what we signed up for in this prisoner exchange.
That's right.
No, it really isn't.
You know, I don't know why it's gone on so long.
I would have just gone in and just eradicated them the best I could.
And unfortunately, some of these people that were hostages would have unfortunately probably passed away from it.
But the problem is that we still have these roaches that are going to do it again and again and again.
And we still have the proxy of Iran that is going to always fund them, right?
And we have Hezbollah.
We have to eradicate these people.
They are cancer in the West, especially.
But even in the Middle East.
It's a pretty large number of people.
You know, the Palestinians total, this is not all in Gaza because there's the West Bank, probably 2 million people.
I think this is really where, why Trump is trying to, you know, sometimes when you have a picture and it has gone through this depressing cycle of violence that has gone on for like, it seems like a century, but it's not quite a century, certainly 50 years.
I think Trump's point is you have to change the picture completely, right?
And so when Trump comes up with these ideas, which seem wild, which is like, let's get the Gazans out of Gaza.
Let's get them, put them somewhere else where they can actually have a normal life.
Because in this environment, you know, the Israelis reduce it to rubble.
But like you say, even Israel doesn't seem capable of like getting to the...
Bottom of it.
Because, as you say, the roaches, as you put it, they're still around.
They're still running around.
No matter how much pesticide you put, it's like, oh, there's another one.
Oh, no, there's another.
Oh, there's mother bee.
Boom.
Not to mention the fact that, look, it's one thing to say, I got to go into some other guy's country and find my hostages.
That's hard.
Gaza is inside of Israel.
And so the idea that these Hamas guys have been able to hide hundreds of hostages for this long without them being found tells me that these guys, they've got infrastructure of their own that for all the efficiency of the Israeli operation, they have not gotten to that.
They cannot get to it.
Even though they have found, like they found the leader.
Right?
They were able to kill him.
But you know what?
I saw a picture this morning, and it told me everything I need to know about these people, these monsters.
Okay?
Evil, by the way.
They can say Allah Akbar all they want, but they're not talking about our God.
Okay?
They're talking about Satan.
Because only Satan proxies do this kind of horrific thing to a human being.
Okay?
So they are absolutely evil.
I saw a photograph of these two Hamas terrorists standing up on a hill with their weapons, and then there's this little five-year-old next to them with a weapon and the same bandana.
And I'm thinking, this is how they breed these roaches.
From the very beginning, they're taught to hate Jews, and that's all they know.
That's all they know.
They know hate and only hate.
And who better to have hate in their heart than someone brought up by a satanic way of being?
Because God doesn't make people hate, right?
If they truly were God-worshippers, they would never do this.
You know, the reason we know that there's something bigger going on here is that The idea that this is merely a dispute over land makes no sense.
You know, we're so numbed by the usual rhetoric, like, this is their home.
They're upset because they're home.
No.
The truth of it is, we all have a natural...
Like, I grew up in a certain house.
I have certain memories of growing up in that house.
But I don't have that level of attachment to that geographical facility to which I would not only Put my life at risk, but let's say, indoctrinate my kids, put blood-stained bandanas on them, risk their lives, say, listen, go throw stones at that soldier so he can shoot you.
That's barbaric.
That is behavior bordering on fanatical insanity.
It is.
Right?
And so, for these reasons, I don't think that the stated explanation of the plight of the Palestinians It's adequate to explain their conduct in these situations.
And I think that's why you're almost helplessly resorting to they've got to be children of Satan.
Because what else?
How do you explain?
You cannot explain the hatred in their heart any other way.
You can try, but you can't.
You just can't.
And we're going to be...
This is, you know...
This is going to be some exciting times.
We're thinking about all this in terms of a film that we're working on that deals, well, it doesn't just deal with Israel.
It deals with Israel, biblical archaeology, and also the new element, which is not something we've covered in a film before, the remarkable and tantalizing issue of biblical prophecy.
Yeah, that's going to be really exciting to do, and we'll be going soon to Israel.
Let's bring it back home in this last segment and talk about this.
I shouldn't be chuckling because it is a surprising and mysterious proliferation of airline...
Mishaps.
And we always happen to be on a flight when these things happen.
What?
You know?
Well, we were in D.C. shortly before the helicopter collision with the American Airlines plane.
And, of course, we do a fair amount of travel, so it's not too surprising.
We have to fess up, though, because last Friday, you know, we did the roundup, but it was actually Wednesday when we did the roundup because, tell them why.
Well, we had to because we were getting on a plane and flying direct.
And this was actually remarkable.
You can fly direct from Texas to Australia, to Sydney.
And we did that flight.
I think it's the longest flight that either of us have ever taken.
But we handled it really well.
And by that I mean you're going into a completely different time zone.
And your body is discombobulated.
And we were making it like a four-day trip.
We had two full days of meetings and then we came back.
It can leave you completely turned around.
Right.
And I was thinking of the return because the return is always harder because it's during the day and we're supposed to sleep.
Pretend like it's nighttime.
Right.
You are boarding a 17-hour flight and you're doing it at 10 in the morning.
Now, you've obviously slept the previous night, so you can't go right back to sleep, even though it is night in Texas.
But we had very productive meetings.
You have now become a huge fan of Australia.
Yeah, the second trip to Australia.
And I have to say, I did not see any spiders, folks.
There's no spiders in Australia that I saw.
I see more in Texas than I do there.
But we did get to...
We had a little time to have fun beside the meetings, and we got to feed kangaroos.
They're so cute, by the way.
Well, the kangaroos in the zoo, I think that they're somewhat domesticated, and so they allow you to have food in your hand, and they take it right off of your hand.
Now, where we were staying, which was, of course, this lovely resort place, We could see kangaroos outside our window.
Remember the ones that were boxing?
It was hilarious.
They were actually boxing each other.
It was like, what?
They're so cute.
I couldn't tell if they were fighting.
No, I think they were.
You think they were fighting?
I think they were fighting.
No, I think they were actually fighting.
It was like a contest or who's going to be the...
The winner.
Right.
Yeah, but then we got to go to a, I don't know what you call it, like a petting zoo?
Some kind of petting zoo?
Well, we were able to go up close with the koala bears, which is kind of cool.
And what I learned about these koala bears is that they sleep like 20 hours a day.
What a life.
What a life.
They're awake for like four hours in which mostly they eat.
And the other thing that they do is they sleep wedged inside a tree.
And some of them appear to be like hanging off the tree asleep.
So can you imagine though?
What a life, right?
You sleep.
You eat, and someone pets your back.
I mean, that's pretty much your life, you know?
It's like, wow!
Well, the guy was saying to us that even on the petting...
You can only pet a koala for about 30 minutes.
And when I say you, we didn't pet him for 30 minutes, but you stand in line and you each get a turn for a minute or two.
But their workday is 30 minutes.
Yeah, they can only work for 30 minutes.
That's a state law, by the way, or country law, whatever, you know, that they can't overwork them.
There's something about Australia that we noticed, the vibe of the people in Sydney, in the airports, in general.
We compared it to like America in an earlier age.
They're so chill.
Everybody's so chill.
Even at the airport.
You know in America at the airports, everybody's like frantic.
I gotta get through TSA. No, it's like everybody at the airports are like, oh, my flight leaves in five minutes.
Okay, let me get up.
Let me finish my beer and then head over, right?
That's their attitude.
And in fact...
I mean, you're a little bit more in the American sensibility with regard to airports.
And I remember this guy.
Now, I think he was from New Zealand, not Australia.
And this was not on this trip.
This was last summer.
He's like, where are you going?
Why are you so eager to board?
He's like, you're trying to board first?
He goes, I normally try to board last, which is the Australian attitude.
Yeah.
And they're very, very nice people.
I'm really excited about what we're going to do.
I don't think we probably want to talk about it yet.
But it's going to be something really big if it happens, if we're able to make it work.
It's going to be huge.
It's a really powerful idea.
And the guy, Clive Palmer, who invited Tucker and me to speak last summer, we've become friends.
We presented this idea to him.
He loves the idea.
It's an idea of sort of worldwide impact.
And so we need to get it off the ground before we can talk about it.
So we'll work on that over the next couple of weeks.
Let's talk for a little bit about these airline mishaps.
Now, I think with the latest one, which was, of course, the Delta Flight Toronto.
Weirdly, the flight ends up on its back, really flipped over.
Now, sometimes people are a little hasty to make a DEI connection, a diversity, but in this case, I think it is valid.
And I say that because Delta has been running these commercials in which they're trying to create these all-women flights.
Hold on.
And you know what they call them?
Unmanned flights.
You know how we talk about unmanned vehicles in space?
Oh yeah, you have all these women and they're all like bopping around and it's like unmanned flights.
And so Delta thinks it's cool to have like...
You know, all-women flights, and this flight had a female pilot, although Delta is not saying that, and they're not releasing the name, although I've seen the name, and I've seen people who said this was the pilot, but the fact, think of it, you've had this, and the pilot's name is publicly, at least by Delta, undisclosed, right?
And all you have is this Delta program that they were evidently so proud of, and look, again, We don't know exactly.
You told me that was high wind.
Well, let me tell you what.
I've been watching some...
You watched the video and I did too.
No, but I've been watching some shows about it because, you know, I get really freaked out about it.
Well, listen, we land from Australia, right?
And then like a few minutes, I think while we're still on the tarmac...
I look at my phone.
Breaking news!
Delta just crashed!
I'm like, what?
Well, the other thing that's worth noting is that when you fly from Australia, you know, sometimes we'll watch these shows and a flight gets into trouble and they're like, well, let's find the nearest airport.
Let's land in Sasquatchewan.
Let's go land over here.
There's nowhere to land.
With Australia, you are over the blue Pacific Ocean with no land in sight for hours upon hours.
Yeah, so I looked at the flight map.
And it's all blue.
And then the little plane, you know, it's like, oh.
But anyway, the Wi-Fi doesn't work, you know, because it doesn't work over the ocean.
So I buy Wi-Fi and there you go.
You know, I can only use it over land.
But anyway, so I was watching some videos on it because it just really, like, freaked me out.
And according to some of the pilots, all of them felt...
As though, yes, there were winds.
In fact, they said that there was like 40 mile an hour crosswind, which is bad, right?
But they all say that the plane was coming down way too fast.
And that it is procedure for pilots, if they feel like the landing is going to slam, for them to go around.
It had enough fuel for them to go back up.
Sometimes they hover a little bit for a while and then wait for the wind to subside.
Right.
So they have to go around and wait until they can land again.
And apparently, according to some of these pilots, they didn't see that that happened.
In other words, they were coming fast and they were going to land it.
And what happened was when they landed, they hit the wing.
And because of that action, it went airborne and upside down.
They lost a wing.
I think it was the right wing that they lost.
But yes, icy conditions.
I think it was minus 32 degrees.
I mean, it was super cold.
And yes, it was windy.
But according to some of these pilots, it may have been pilot error.
The reason that you know that it has to be something distinctive is because Toronto Airport is open all day.
You have these wind conditions.
Other planes are landing.
So the question is not, were there bad conditions?
Because airplanes fly in bad conditions.
They fly at night.
So when you say, I couldn't see, well, airplanes can land without seeing.
And it must have been something specific to this plane.
Now, of course, the left in this country, oh, it's because Trump did something with the FAA. Yeah, it's like, this is Canada, guys, remember?
Well, I saw the Delta CEO. He was on with CBS and, in fact...
To his credit, he goes, this has nothing to do with Trump.
It has nothing to do with the FAA. He goes, this has nothing to do with safety procedures in the United States.
It might have something to do with a pilot.
Just saying.
I don't know.
Or it might have something to do with the fact that, you know, and really, we shouldn't sing the loud Delta because other airlines also.
I mean, the one industry where I don't think you want to be saying, you know, that we put diversity first.
I would say the airline industry and the medical industry are two areas where that is not an inspiring slogan.
Listen, I have to be honest here, but whenever I go on a flight and we fly so much and I see a woman as the captain, I cringe just a little bit.
And I'm not being, you know, and I'm a woman, right?
I can say that.
You can't say that, but I can say that.
But it's just that I feel like sometimes Women aren't as good at flying as men.
And I don't know if that's just...
But I want the person that is flying the airplane that I'm on and my family's on to be 100% incredible.
Well, you know, it's like this.
By and large, you notice that in certain fields, medicine being one, but airlines being another, the people in charge have a responsibility to convey A calm competence and put you at ease.
Right?
Imagine if a doctor comes and goes, I'm really nervous.
Right?
That's not good.
Or the doctor comes and, man, I partied all night long.
I got the biggest hangover.
Or I've got a really big operation, guys.
I just want you to know this is my first one.
You know?
None of that.
Right?
And the same thing with an airplane.
By and large, if you notice, pilots over the years cultivate this very calm voice.
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome to...
You know, right?
They don't...
Imagine if you go on a plane and you've got five men there and they're all giving you thumbs up and they go, this is an all-male flight!
You know what I mean?
You'd be like, you'd freak out.
You'd be like, these people are a little too excited about the fact that they all have an XX chromosome.
I want my pilot to have thousands and thousands and thousands of hours flying.
I want him to be one of the best, if not the best.
I mean, in general, you feel better if the guy's in his 50s as opposed to his 30s because you know he's done a lot more flights probably.
Yes, but that could be a double-edged sword too because if he's too old, he could have a heart attack.
I'm just saying.
Yeah, well, good point.
I guess that's right.
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