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Coming up, Debbie's going to join me We're going to do our Friday roundup, and I thought we'd focus on the issue of immigration, examining a whole series of questions.
First of all, are illegals immigrants?
Are we really a nation of immigrants?
When did America abandon the idea of the melting pot?
What are the Democrats' motives for promoting illegal immigration?
How many illegals can we or should we deport?
What is the real problem with our legal immigration policy?
How can it be fixed?
Our immigration restrictions are a violation of the Christian principle to love thy neighbor.
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Debbie and I are all ready for our Friday roundup, and we want to focus this episode on the issue of immigration, both legal and illegal immigration in all the various dimensions of these problems.
But I thought I'd cover a couple of other things before we jump into our main topic for this Friday.
It's been a heck of a week with regard to Doge and Elon Musk.
And you made the point to me just in conversation that this is the issue that has really gotten the Democrats riled up.
They've been riled up like we haven't seen them riled up for a while.
And usually with Democrats, when that happens, it's a clue to something very important that they have at stake.
What is that?
Well, you know, I'm going to liken this to when Roe v.
Wade was overturned.
They got really riled up then.
I mean, and you know they went, like, all out.
I mean, it was an all out.
Oh, yeah.
The assault on pro-lifers.
Oh, absolutely.
Evelyn Beatty Williams ends up in prison.
Yep.
So, because abortion is one of their, well, it's probably their main sacrament, right?
So, that is critical to their identity.
Yep.
What is it about their identity now that is being jeopardized, do you think?
Well, I think, to be honest, There are a lot of crooks in the kitchen.
Not cooks, but crooks.
Crooks in the kitchen.
And by that, I mean that this has, you know, you kind of alluded to this yesterday when you were talking about this is the Democrats' MO. They've been doing this for so long.
Corruption is how they function.
And so the fact that their corruption is being exposed, I think they're having a connipt.
You know what?
Well, you know what I think it is?
Normally, if somebody is a crook, like let's say I'm a pickpocket.
I know I'm a pickpocket, right?
And I have to somehow rationalize that, like I'm pickpocketing because my kids are hungry.
But it's very difficult for me to pose as a good guy.
Just like you're in the mafia.
You know, you get to be in the mafia.
Maybe you get the benefits of being in the mafia.
But one benefit you don't get is to claim your Mother Teresa.
It would be a bit much for Don Corleone to act like he's Mother Teresa.
And in fact, he never did.
But with these guys, they want it all.
They want to be crooks.
They want to be emptying your pocket.
And they want you to thank them.
They want you to believe.
And they even have a self-image where maybe over the years they have convinced themselves that they are in it to do good.
Even though they're in it to do well for themselves.
Yeah, yeah.
And the nerve of them to actually think that they're trying to make you believe that fixing corruption and putting an end to all of these subsidies and pocketing...
NGOs where the money circles back to you.
That somehow that is immoral.
To take that away from them is somehow immoral, and you should be outraged.
Well, they're equating an attack on government, and in fact on the abuses of government, with an attack on democracy.
Right, as always.
Even though we have had a democracy, a constitutional democracy, with a very small government.
And there's no reason, in fact, one would think that if you have...
I mean, as it is, government doesn't have the bottom line, the profit motive of corporations.
So a corporation knows if it's not doing well.
Why?
Because it's going out of business.
Its stock is plummeting.
Yeah, well, we're going out of business, too.
We are, but there seems to be no valid metric.
I mean, think of it.
If you didn't think you were going out of business when your debt level is $10 trillion, and then it goes to $15 and to $20, and now it's at $36, and at this rate, it'll soon be $50, I mean, the country officially, or at least governmentally, is bankrupt.
And yet, it's going around posing, we're the greatest power in the world.
Yes, we will be sending money to Ukraine.
Yes, we'll be doing that.
We're patrolling the seawaters of the world.
Yeah.
There's something wrong here with this picture.
There really is.
You made the analogy the other day when we were talking about this, about liking it to your neighbor, to us helping our neighbors out of debt when we ourselves are in debt.
Not for real.
We're not in debt.
But if we were, let's say we had like a $30,000 or $40,000 credit card debt.
And your neighbor comes along and says, I lost my job or I need to put my mom in home care.
Can you lend me money or can you give me money?
The first question we would ask is, do we have it?
Right.
Because if we don't have it...
Yeah, but the Democrats don't ask that question.
That's the problem.
Not at all.
They don't ask that question.
You know why?
Because it's not their money.
Yeah, that's right.
So their point is, we have an unlimited license.
This is how they see it.
To spend other people's money, ideally on ourselves.
Their favorite charity is themselves.
All their so-called philanthropic work somehow works its way back to them.
In a way, I'm not even sure if Elon Musk realized how bad it was.
I mean, in some ways, this is the Twitter model, right?
He goes into Twitter and he realized, I don't need 80% of these people.
They don't do anything.
They watch TV all day.
They don't even show up, some of them.
And we're actually catering food for them.
So he liquidates them and Twitter functions fine.
I think the Democrats are terrified that if we do that to the government, the result will be the same.
Yeah.
No, it'll be better.
Better.
Leaner.
Better.
And it'll be more accountable to the taxpayer.
So, you know, I think...
In all actuality, people should take a look at the Democratic Party and go, what exactly have they done?
And not only what have they done, but what are they?
They are something very close to a criminal enterprise.
They are.
And not only that, but they're like the owners of a plantation that are like, oh my gosh, no, slavery's over.
What?
No.
I mean, you're right.
The plantation was a criminal enterprise.
It was a legal criminal enterprise in that time.
But isn't that how they revolted?
That is how they revolted.
And talking about freakouts, they never had a freakout.
Their biggest freakout was on freeing the slaves.
That's right.
That's right.
And now they, you know, this is the thesis of Death of a Nation, they're trying to turn all of America into a plantation.
That's right.
The government, of course, is the big house.
Because on a private plantation, you have a big house and everything operates out of there.
All the account books are over there.
But now government is the big house and Doge says, let me take a look at your books.
And they're like, no!
Right?
They're using these judges.
And of course, once again, they're masquerading.
They're like, you know, we've got to subscribe to the rule of law.
And these judges are there.
But you notice what they do is these judges are all in it with the Democrats.
They are.
They give money to the Democratic Party.
This guy in Rhode Island has given $800,000 to the Democrats.
That's how he got his judicial appointment.
So he's part of the scam, right?
He bought his own office, so to speak.
Maybe legal, but it is corrupt.
So he, of course, has to defend it.
So he's defending the system.
What I just thought about, you know, the other day on the podcast, you said that this level of corruption...
It's basically like just taking out Rhode Island, you know, like fixing Rhode Island and the rest of the country is still, you know, up for grabs.
I'm afraid that they're going to find out that there's a lot of NGOs that have actually been used to cheat on elections.
We know it, right?
And so when that is going to be exposed, just wait.
You think this is bad?
You wait until that jig is up.
I mean, let's flashback to 2000 Mules.
Did we or did we not talk about non-profit organizations?
Oh, and you know what happened when we tried.
Oh, no.
Exactly.
This was a classic example.
I mean, we felt the effects of the freakout.
Yeah.
Legal threats.
I mean, it made us very aware.
That not only were Democrats very reluctant to look into this.
Remember, the thesis of 2000 Mules was always, listen, go talk to the mules.
There might be a plausible explanation.
They didn't want to do it because they knew.
It's almost like with Doge.
They knew what would happen.
And second of all, Republicans were scared of it.
And now we have to admit that when it comes to government corruption...
Republicans may not be the party of corruption the way the Democrats are.
But we look the other way.
Look the other way.
And there are Republicans who benefit from the swamp.
I sometimes say that they have the not-so-good drinking spot at the swamp, but they're still at the swamp.
And so they too have something to lose.
So some of these people, I think, are resisting Trump.
In kind of passive-aggressive ways.
They can't be too overt about it.
But coming back to these judges, the idea that a local judge in New York or Rhode Island, who's put up to it by a Democratic operative, that he can issue a nationwide injunction and stop programs that have national impact is outrageous.
I think in some ways, I think what's going to happen here, and this may actually turn out for the good, believe it or not, is we fight them.
We appeal.
We take it to the Supreme Court.
And the Supreme Court comes out and says, listen, if you're a local judge in Rhode Island, you can stop something happening in Rhode Island.
That's it.
You do not have the power.
You don't have veto power over the President of the United States.
But they think because it's federal that they do.
Because he's a federal judge.
But think about it.
The President has all these powers.
And he has a limited time to carry them out.
If a judge can say arbitrarily no, now guess what?
Let's start the appeal process that's going to take months before the appellate court wins.
No, but what I'm saying is they think that they can because they're federal judges, not state judges, not local judges, right?
So they, the Democrats, think, well, it's a federal judge.
Surely he can stop a federal, you know, executive order.
Right, but I guess what I'm saying is that when we think about the different branches of government, we think about...
The legislature, that's the Congress.
That's not congressional aides.
That's the Congress, right?
Then we think about the presidency, and that's the president.
It doesn't refer to some functionary working at OMB, the Office of Management and Budget.
When we think of the court, it's the Supreme Court.
It's not every lackey who occupies a federal office below him.
So the idea that some lackey can tell the president, you can't carry out your normal functions because I say so, is absurd.
I think, I've given this example before, but I think, for example, let's say that a judge in the South, a federal judge, but a federal judge in Alabama decided, let's say, that Abraham Lincoln's call for 75,000 volunteers to make up a national militia to stop secession was unconstitutional.
What would Lincoln have done?
And the answer is obvious.
He would have completely ignored it.
He would have laughed it off.
He would think that the idea that I've been elected as the president and the head of the executive branch and some judge in Alabama is telling me that I can't function in my normal duties of office is so preposterous.
I would not have been surprised if he would have that judge immediately arrested.
And for an absolute derogation of duty.
This is why, by the way, I think these judges need to be impeached.
And some people are like, how can you say that, Dinesh?
Don't you subscribe to the rule of law?
And I say...
Isn't impeachment provided for in the rule of law?
Impeachment is part of our laws.
There is the power to impeach.
So if you say the federal judge has the power to do whatever he wants, I say...
Let's use the power of impeachment to get rid of the guy.
And you know the impeachment for the Democrats is used with, I don't like this guy, so I'm going to impeach him.
You're thinking of the Trump impeachment, right?
Yeah, exactly.
Not to mention that they've started that again, you know, wanting that again.
Well, they haven't filed.
What they've done is they're basically warned.
We're beginning the process of looking at impeachment.
But only because they don't like Trump, you know?
They don't have anything.
And it comes back to the fact that they just don't like Trump.
But that something very critical is at stake for them here.
And I think it's really their livelihood.
Because if you think about the typical bureaucrat or the typical Democrat who runs for office, they're not good at anything else.
What is Obama good at?
Let's think about it.
What talents does he have?
Well, exactly.
He knows how to capitalize on resentment.
I used to call him Obama been lying.
Obama been lying.
Good one, honey.
I haven't heard that one before.
That's a classic.
I did that back in the day.
Obama been lying.
Perfect.
What I like about it, that incorporates so many insults into one phrase because, first of all, it's slightly ebonics-oriented.
Obama been lying.
He been lying.
Number two, it's Obama been lauded.
Yeah, well, you know, I actually got that idea from, I told you that in, I think it was 2009 or 2010 maybe, that one of the newscasters, and I think it was on CNN, I don't think it was Fox, They accidentally called him Obama bin Laden.
Right.
And that happened more recently.
And then it happened more recently.
CNN had a chyron which basically had confused Obama and Osama.
It did.
And so did that reporter.
So I laughed.
And then I started calling him Obama bin Laden because he lied.
Every time he opened his mouth, it was a lie.
So I thought it was...
What were we talking about with regard to Obama recently?
Oh, yes.
Well, I mean, I think it was...
Well, when we talk about the border and immigration, we'll touch on that.
Let's get into it right now.
Yeah.
So basically, I was quite baffled because I will never, I'll never forget this.
When we lived in Richmond, Texas, for a little bit, we had this lady that would come in and clean, right?
And her name was Maria.
And one day she came in with a backpack.
Okay.
This is when Trump had just been elected the first time.
Yeah.
She comes in with a backpack.
And I go, Maria, what's that backpack for?
She goes, oh, because in case La Migra comes and I get taken away.
And I go...
What do you mean?
We didn't have any idea.
Like, you know, what do you mean?
And she goes, oh, yeah.
So they're saying that, you know, that they're going to just stop anybody and they're just going to deport you and I need to have all my stuff with me.
So, you know, so they told us all to carry a backpack.
I go, Maria, you realize that Obama deported more illegals than any other president in American history, right?
And you weren't deported.
So you do realize this, right?
She was like, what?
What?
She had no idea that Obama did this.
So, as I was saying that I thought, you know, that Biden gets blamed for, you know, everything that happened with the border and all of that.
And I go, but guys, remember.
Remember this.
I don't think that Biden was in control of anything.
I think he was kind of the figurehead, and I do believe that Obama and I don't know who else.
Well, you're framing a puzzle here, which we need to make explicit, and that's this.
If Obama is the hidden hand that is guiding Biden, right, and has been running the country in his third term, as many people say, for the past four years before Trump, Why did Obama change?
That's right.
That's my point, is that I'm puzzled, because he deported a lot of people, and yet, this time around, he actually made it possible for them to come.
The opposite.
Yeah, let's think of why he would do that, right?
So first, could it be that in the first and second term, Obama didn't want to fight on this front?
Obama thought, listen, well, first of all, Obama, not particularly a fan of Hispanics, probably had no interest.
Notice that Obama was, Obama had a lot more interest in the gay issue than he did in the race issue.
I wonder why.
I'm sorry.
Well, we know why.
You don't have to wonder why.
We know exactly why.
Okay, okay.
But the point being, you know, Obama was not in the inner city.
The race issue was important for Obama because he did stoke racial division.
Remember the whole incident with Henry Louis Gates?
Yeah.
So Obama did his best to twist the knife on that issue, so to speak.
But on the other hand, he did more on the gay issue.
But it could be that when Biden came in, Obama thought, listen, this was a narrow election.
In fact, we had to steal it to get it.
We need to change the demographics of the country.
And so Obama does something that he had not earlier contemplated, namely because, like you say...
Open the floodgates.
Open the floodgates and hope for some long-term benefits.
Now, if he did that, which we think he probably did, it has backfired on him in the sense that I think that that was the magic sword.
That gave Trump a decisive victory in the recent election.
If Trump didn't have the border issue, I'm not saying he wouldn't have won, but it would have been a lot closer.
Well, the border issue and the criminals.
I think even in the past, even when Reagan gave three million illegals amnesty and all of that, the illegals that were coming in, not that they weren't criminals, because by default, If you cross a border and it's illegal to cross a border, you broke the law that makes you a criminal, right?
So these people were criminals in that sense.
But even so, there are degrees of criminality.
Right.
that wanted to work, wanted to raise a family, wanted a better standard of living, and were afraid of the cartels in Mexico because, as you know, they're violent, they're deadly, all those things.
But this time, they unleashed the floodgates with all of the criminals from Central and South America.
And the criminals, you know, they were criminals there and they were criminals here, right?
And so they murdered, they raped, all those things.
And so I think when that started happening, you know, Lincoln Riley?
Lincoln Riley.
Lincoln Riley.
When that started happening, people started waking up and they were like, oh my goodness.
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Why do you think they went...
I mean, when you think about it, if you're a Democrat and you're looking for voters...
Why would you want criminals?
Is it the case the Democrats just said, listen, open the gates, and then the other country said, let's disgorge our criminals?
Or do you think the Democrats actually wanted criminals?
I don't think they actually wanted criminals, but I think that by default, by opening the floodgates...
They were willing to pay the price.
Yeah, because I know for a fact that in Venezuela, Maduro thought it was very...
At one point, they were Chavistas because they liked the handouts.
And when the handouts stopped coming, they became criminals because they had to steal to eat and all those things, right?
So these people were just bad people in their society.
But they weren't necessarily gang members and criminals and thugs.
But I think what happened is that when these people got word on the street that...
That Biden was going to let everyone in.
As long as you can cross over, you know, if you can make it to Mexico, make it to the border, you're going to have a wonderful life, right?
So people started coming.
And then I think that Maduro got the idea, well, you know what?
I'm just going to let these guys, like, why house these criminals here?
They could just go along with these people and cross the border and be America's problem.
I think he did it on purpose.
And it's not a new idea because we know, I mean, I think back to the Cuban boat people.
Do you remember all this?
There was a lot of talk then that Castro and the Castro brothers were doing the same thing.
They were opening up the prison.
So this is sort of like a...
It's their MO. It's a formula that they use.
What did you think?
I thought it was fascinating, the conversation with Larry Taunton.
Oh my gosh, I'm still thinking about that today.
Yeah, because he was talking about the fact that, look, this is not simply a case where...
Hordes of immigrants show up in Mexico because he goes, how can they get there, right?
They're passing through hostile countries that don't even want them.
There has to be some elaborate mechanism.
Now, I thought that that mechanism was supplied either by the cartels or...
Just by left-wing international organizations.
Yeah, like maybe the Red Cross or something, right?
Maybe the Red Cross, maybe some UN-affiliated organizations.
Little did I know that the leash was being controlled by the U.S. government itself.
This is, I think, Larry's breakthrough, right?
That USAID, that these U.S. government agencies, who is spreading the word on the street in Venezuela that if you come to America, you get a car, you get a...
They are.
They were.
They were.
So they create this flow.
Then when the flow occurs, they pretend like, oh, there's horrible revolution going on in those societies.
These people have nowhere to go.
Not to say that there isn't poverty.
There's, of course, poverty.
It's a whole different thing to say, I'm inviting someone to come and then pretending to be shocked when they show up.
Right.
And again, they are complicit, if not outright, you know, like it's their fault.
They're the orchestrators.
They're the conductors of this performance.
That's right.
So I think that...
That is another angle that we're going to find out soon.
Because this is why they're freaking out.
They want to shut down the doge.
Because when they find out that USAID was actually orchestrating the illegals coming into this country by the millions, people are going to freak out.
They're going to freak out.
And the Democrats are to blame, obviously, because they were working in conjunction with these organizations.
And I don't know what's in it for these organizations, quite frankly, except a lot of money.
Well, that's a very good reason.
Look at a group like Catholic Charities, right?
And, you know, it's very interesting because the Catholic Church has taken huge blows.
For all the, you know, the pedophile priests and all the cases.
So it looked like for a while that the church might like go bankrupt.
But it hasn't gone bankrupt.
Why?
Because it has created a new business.
And the new business is illegals.
And giant amounts of money have been flowing into Catholic charities.
And no wonder that, you know, I hear the Pope say these things and I go, is this Pope on drugs?
Or is the Pope just such a product of left-wing ideology?
No.
The Pope is a product of left-wing ideology.
He was schooled in the Latin American socialist school, but I think even more important, he has realized that the bottom line for these Catholic organizations is massive funding via international NGOs and the government, and the U.S. government.
Did you hear about some of these churches suing the Trump administration because of the illegals?
I've heard about that and not...
I just saw something about the Lutheran Church.
They have a manual that is almost like an instruction to illegals for how to evade ICE. One of the things it says is...
See, it says, first of all, unless they ask explicitly for your papers, you don't have to turn them over.
But the more interesting thing is they say, don't carry your papers on you.
Because...
If you do, they will see, oh wait, this guy has a Venezuelan passport.
This guy has a Mexican passport.
But if you say, I don't have it.
And this is the church.
So think about it.
These churches themselves are part of this criminal enterprise.
And you know, what in the Bible says that it's okay to break the law?
Nothing.
And not to mention that you can't evoke something like, oh, well, you know, they try all this kind of vague nonsense, like Jesus was a refugee.
Wait a minute.
Jesus was not a refugee.
Jesus was, in fact, part of the Roman Empire.
Right?
And so when he went from here to there, it's not because he was a refugee.
He remained inside the Roman Empire.
He remained subject to its laws.
You know, Jesus himself said, render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's.
And it is Caesar's job to determine boundaries.
What is Caesar's?
Establish who can come into a society or a nation.
Yeah.
But I think even more than that, we are dealing here with, you know, talk about these...
When you have this kind of collusion, it needs to be prosecuted.
It cannot be treated merely as, oh, these churches are misguided, they're misapplying the Bible.
They are part of a massive coordinated law-breaking operation.
So I think what's happening is that for Americans, the full scope of the criminality of our government, but it's not, you know, we think in the past of here's the private sector, here's the government.
No.
In between the government and the private sector is the non-profit sector.
The non-profit sector often deals with for-profit organizations.
The money flows from the government to the NGOs to the for-profit organizations to the religious groups.
So this is a giant circle.
An incestuous circle of corruption.
And collusive incestuous circle.
So the job for the DOJ, for Pam Bondi, Yeah.
And a lot of people need to be charged and a lot of people need to go to jail because that will stop this.
Yeah.
It is what's going on.
And, you know, the other thing, too, that I found comical is, you know, we went to Mexico last weekend and we took yoga.
We took yoga, yes.
I love it when we do yoga because you're so cute.
But anyway...
Well, I'm not a yogi.
Despite the fact that since I'm from India, I should have...
You should be a yogi.
Yeah.
My mom actually studied yoga, as you know.
Yeah.
And my mom would do all these breathing exercises and stuff.
And in fact, my brother and sister and I would laugh because my mom would always be like, son, have you done your deep breathing?
You know, and this sort of thing.
And we were like, mom, are you serious?
Mom, no.
No.
Breathing is not something that needs to be like...
But it is very good.
Yoga is very, very good for your body.
It is very good for you.
Especially now at our age.
Right.
And so anyway, so we were the only two in class.
And when I say in class, it was amazing.
It was overlooking the ocean.
It was just beautiful.
But anyway, the yoga instructor was this Mexican lady and she said something really funny.
She goes, oh, you know, my son, he lives in San Francisco.
And I told him to be very careful because they're telling us that if you look Mexican, they're going to deport you.
And I was like, what?
But you've heard this before.
And I heard it later.
Who was it?
I don't even remember who else I heard it from.
But it's like, okay, first of all, someone that told me that here in Texas, and I go, okay, oh, yeah.
Bonnie.
And I go, okay, Bonnie, you do realize that the majority of Texans are Mexican-American.
Over 50%.
Yeah.
And so what are they going to do?
Stop?
The majority of Texans on the street.
Every second car on the road.
You know, it's like, no, that is so not true.
But the Democrats are spreading this vicious lie to get people scared and to get Mexican-Americans scared and to get any Latinos scared because this is how they operate.
Well, this is what they do.
The Democrats are probably very alarmed that these border towns, which in the past voted heavily Democratic, And I think the Democrats thought, of all people, these border towns are going to be infuriated at Trump because they don't make distinctions between legal and illegal.
To them, a Mexican is a Mexican and is welcome over here, and Trump is stopping that, so we're going to be against Trump.
And then they realize, no, that the Rio Grande Valley, Laredo, all these border towns don't want illegals.
And so the Democrats are probably like, we need to regroup.
How do we stoke fear among these people once again and bring them back over to our side?
Isn't that their political?
That's exactly what they're trying to do.
They're trying to scare the Hispanics that supported Trump.
Now they want to scare them and say, yeah, see, you supported this guy and now he's going to deport you because you look Mexican.
I mean...
Come on!
Come on, man!
I mean, really?
Now, you mentioned a moment ago this issue of the churches, and one of the debates that came up in the last couple of weeks is a bunch of progressive Christians were saying, well, let's look at the tale of the Good Samaritan.
Because the Good Samaritan didn't just help the guy who was from his own community.
The guy was a stranger.
That's the very meaning of the parable.
And what that means is that we as Christians should not make a distinction between ours and theirs, or between us and them, or between the native and the stranger.
Christianity commands us, in a sense, to treat them equally.
Now, this, I think, is wrong for two reasons.
Samaritan did not go around looking for people to help.
The Samaritan didn't say, I live in Samaria, let me undertake a journey to Cairo or Tibet to find somebody to help.
The Samaritan was walking down the road in his own community, and he sees this guy on the road.
The guy is in front of him.
Another way to put it is, we help the people who are in front of us.
True?
We have to recognize that we don't only help people who are like us, but we help people who have been put into our lives or in front of us.
So that's the first point about the Samaritan.
It is not an indiscriminate, help the world, we are the world.
It is help the guy who is in front of you.
The second thing about it I think that's critical is this Christian principle that it's called the order of love.
And the order of love means you have to begin in a...
A circle around yourself.
It is your family.
It is your cousins.
It is your friends.
It is your local community.
And then by concentric circles, you extend outward to others as well.
But there's a priority.
Imagine if some guy goes, I'm going to...
There are many needy people in the world, and therefore, for the next six weeks, I'm not going to feed my family.
Now, it would be, first of all, downright deranged to say that.
Even the progressive Christians who spout about the Good Samaritan look after their families first.
They make sure that their kids are well-fed.
They make sure their kids' names are in their will.
They don't put some guy in Bhutan.
I'm going to leave all my money to some guy in Bhutan, not my own kid.
So their rhetoric is pompous.
And it's intended to sort of bludgeon us into submission.
They don't even live that way.
But my point about the order of love is it creates a sense of moral priority.
Not to say that we don't have a belief in universal brotherhood, but we don't just get to universal brotherhood straight out.
We get to it slowly, and we get to it by moving from the smaller to the larger, or from the small circle to the big circle.
Sorry about that.
Sneezed.
So, no, that's true.
And I think that it's interesting how they defend this, but yet when it comes to abortion, some of these churches are like...
I mean, talk about the ultimate stranger, the person who is least protected, the most vulnerable.
Because these churches that are pro-immigration are not pro-life.
Right.
By, I think...
Quite a bit.
They're very much the, oh yes, it's a woman's choice, blah, blah, blah.
So they're not really living like they say they're living.
They're not really following God's commandments.
The other thing that's well worth mentioning is that these progressive Christians, or some of their organizations, are on the government payroll.
Oh, of course.
This is another revelation.
No surprise.
It won't surprise you at all.
But isn't that a...
Obvious conflict of interest?
I mean, is that even legal?
Let's take Christianity Today, which is the evangelical magazine.
They used to be actually pretty solid and politically, I would say, slightly right of center.
They've been taken over, usurped.
The left-wingers seem to be running the show.
And what they do is that they set up some sort of a Christianity International.
Christianity Today International.
And then they apply for government funding.
It's all very nicely disguised in the form of global humanitarian awareness and blah, blah, blah, and saving democracy.
But essentially, it is a racket.
Yeah.
Right?
And so the level of using the government to tap other people's pockets.
Remember, the church has always been about a voluntary giving, right?
Your tithe.
Yeah, you do tithes and offerings, you pass around the plate.
But I think these guys have figured out there's a better way.
To get more money.
There's a better way to get more money.
Yet, let's use the government's power to put a gun to your head.
And extract money out of you and give some of it to us.
Think of what Jesus would make of this.
Well, we know.
I mean, I think Jesus would see this as the tax collector is now running.
The progressive church, right?
The ultimate ripoff.
The tax collector was despised because the tax collector was, in fact, the shakedown artist, right?
He comes to a poor guy.
Isn't he along there with the prostitute?
I mean, aren't they equivalent?
The Bible seems to equate them, right?
They're sort of the disreputable elements of society.
But in the progressive pantheon, they're glorified.
See, notice that, for example, The Democrats are very freaked out that the IRS might be audited.
They want the IRS to audit us.
But if Elon Musk said, I'm going to audit the IRS, they freak out.
Why?
Because the IRS is the tax collector.
It is the collection agency of the police state and of the welfare state and of the swamp.
It feeds the swamp.
So you can think of it this way.
The IRS feeds the swamp and Doge...
Puts the swamp on a diet.
So, no surprise, because Jim Jordan tweeted this out.
He goes, I don't understand how the liberals are all in favor of the IRS, but they're not in favor.
They are in favor of the IRS audits, but they're not in favor of the Doge audits.
And I'm like, actually...
There's a very good explanation for that.
The IRS audits are forms of extracting more money from citizens for the swamp.
That's why they favor it.
Doge is a restriction on the swamp, and that's why they want to stop Doge.
That's why they hate it.
That's why they don't want that kind of audit.
That kind of audit is the last kind of audit that they want at all.
Let's talk a little bit about the legal.
Immigrant issue.
Well, look at here.
The illegal border crossings have plummeted 90% since Trump returned to the White House.
90. And it's been, what, three weeks, four weeks?
Three weeks.
Three weeks, 90%.
I was listening to, I don't know, some news show the other day, and they had this Border Patrol guy talking.
Boy, are they happy.
I mean, it's like it was, you know, they asked them, what was the difference, you know, from Biden to Trump, like overnight, right?
He goes, night and day.
Night and day.
Night and day.
It was like immediate.
Immediate.
Well, I mean, they finally have a chance to do their jobs.
Think how weird it is to be a carpenter and told...
You can't use a hammer.
Yeah, you can't use a hammer.
You can't make a chair or a table.
You can be a carpenter, but your actual job is to smash things, not to make them.
Right.
So these Border Patrol people must have been living in the Twilight Zone for four years.
They were.
Right.
A lot.
And you know what?
I hate to say this, but I think a lot of them...
Either had to quit.
I even heard rumors of suicides.
I heard...
Just a sense of purposelessness.
Yeah, you know, and it's like...
You know, Biden pretended, and this was Biden, but it was also the stance of their administration, there's nothing we can do.
They acted like, you know what, we proposed a law and these Republicans are blocking the law.
Short of comprehensive immigration reform, there is nothing we can do.
So notice how the Democrats use helplessness.
And in fact, it is an artificial helplessness, because as Trump has demonstrated, there's no actual helplessness.
If you seal the border, the laws are behind you.
They support you.
And you don't need new legislation to do any of that.
So Trump has demonstrated what can be done.
Yeah, I mean, it's really...
And now, the other thing that I was going to talk about, obviously, the Venezuelan...
As you know, there were a horde of Venezuelans that came in through the Darien jungle.
Some of the Venezuelan women didn't make it.
Larry was speaking truth because a lot of that I already knew because of my cousin.
He said it was extremely dangerous to go through that jungle.
Not too many people know this, but in South America, Venezuela, Colombia, those countries, there are some really, I mean, these jungles are like, this is why people would always ask me when I was a kid, why do you always have to fly to America?
Can't you drive from Venezuela through Central America and then up through Mexico?
No, you cannot.
Because between the Panama Canal and South America, there's this jungle.
And you cannot drive any vehicle through there.
I mean, you can't really even walk through there.
But if you do, you're taking your life into your own hands because there's indigenous people that actually do not...
They are the ones that like...
Behead you or shrink your head and eat you.
You're talking about people untouched by modern civilization.
Right.
They don't know who you are.
They don't even know that you're human.
They have no idea.
And you have to walk through these areas.
There's those people.
And then, of course, there are the cartels.
That rape the women, take women hostage, all those things, right?
So it's very, very dangerous.
But a lot of these Venezuelans, and I told you that my cousin was like, oh, you know, but if they can make it all the way through Mexico, then once they get through the border, they're going to be home free because they're going to get, you know, housing, they're going to get, you know, this, they're going to get that.
And this was literally word on the street.
This is what all the Venezuelans were hearing.
And I think this is a point that Larry made, which is how cruel this is, right?
Because it's kind of like saying, here is a pit of fire.
That's the jungle, right?
But guess what?
Try to run across.
Yeah.
Because if you manage to get across, there is like a pot of gold on the other side.
So what you're doing is you're luring people.
into putting their lives in danger, their families in danger, certainly their virtue in danger.
All because you're offering them some mystical promise, which, by the way, you're not really going to deliver.
People do not get free apartments and so on.
It is true, they might get put up in the Roosevelt Hotel for $500 a night, and so the government is providing these, or had been providing all these goodies for the illegals, but there's a huge casualty rate along the way.
That's right, that's right.
And then there's that, right?
The people that did that.
And then there's another group of Venezuelans that got parole program, okay?
And I know some people, I'm not going to give names, but I know some people that went through the program and thinking that this program was, first of all, very on the up and up, right?
If you can get somebody to sponsor you, you can come to America, you can stay here for two years.
All of those things.
And you work.
You support yourself.
Right.
And you prove that you're an upstanding citizen, all those things.
Well, it's been recalled, as you know.
And some of these Venezuelans are not very happy with Trump because they're like, we were Trumpsters.
How is it that now Trump wants us to go back?
They don't understand.
What say you?
Well, what I say is this, and that is that it is...
What Biden did was he set a trap.
And his trap was, I will use my executive power to create a program that will begin at the very end of my administration and go into Trump's administration.
Trump can undo it, but if he undoes it, he will, in the course of undoing it, turn all these people against him, right?
And so Biden offers a legal pathway.
The Venezuelans, including the people you know, Straightforwardly go, yeah, we don't want to be illegal.
This is a legal program.
I mean, this is a case where you cannot blame the foreigner because it's kind of like saying, I'll give you a visa if you want to come and visit Australia and live here for six months.
And we go, sure, we'll go.
We'll take you up on that.
And then when we get there, they cancel you.
And they go, no, you can't stay because there's a new...
You're like, I didn't realize this was sort of up for change.
I thought I was coming on for six months.
Now you're telling me to go back.
I kind of understand the frustration on the part of the guy who makes a handshake deal and is now told, no, the deal is off from the other end.
But the culprit here is Biden.
I mean, Biden ultimately made a false promise, which, by the way, this was not the true pathway to citizenship.
That should be offered to people, which is, you know what?
We have a whole immigration process.
It's not without flaw.
Let me ask you a question, okay?
So let's say that somebody from Venezuela wants to come to America.
Now, we're both, like, I am an American citizen because my mother was an American citizen.
She is from the Rio Grande Valley, six generations.
Texan.
And she went to Venezuela to teach at an oil camp and met my father.
They married.
They had two kids.
My mother was very smart in that once she had me, she went to the American consulate and declared me a citizen born abroad.
A citizen via her, right?
So that is how I became a...
I had dual citizenship.
And really, I could still have dual citizenship, but in Venezuela, because the U.S. does actually acknowledge dual citizenship.
Venezuela does not.
So I obviously have been so vocal about the government in Venezuela.
There is no way that I will ever go back to Venezuela as long as that regime is still there.
There's no way because I'll be arrested immediately.
That to say that I became an American citizen that way.
So for me, it was not as difficult as for you.
Well, this is a key difference.
You're really not, in that sense, an immigrant.
I mean, if your mom is a U.S. citizen...
There is a straight path for you to become a citizen via your mom.
And it's different than me because I have no relatives who are U.S. citizens.
I came alone.
And I followed a very long and circuitous path, right?
I went through multiple visas.
So I started out with an exchange student visa, which allows you to come for exactly one year and not more.
And you have to physically leave the country after that.
So I did.
So again, this is called playing by the rules.
Then I got a student visa.
Which was tied to my admission to Dartmouth.
And Dartmouth had to say, this is how this kid will support himself.
He will have some grants and some loans and he'll have some work study.
And this is how he will not be a burden on the taxpayer.
And I wasn't.
Then I graduate.
And there is something called a practical training visa, which you can get as an extension of your study, which allows you to work, but it's for a short period of time.
During that time, you have to apply for a green card.
Now, a green card is not citizenship.
It is permission to live permanently and to work in the United States, but it's very hard to get a green card.
It was very hard then, and it's even harder now.
And so you have to prove a bunch of things, which I had to do.
I got an immigration lawyer.
So this is called standing in law.
And it took me, I mean, think about it.
I graduated from Dartmouth in 1983. I got my green card, I think, in 85. And then it's a five-year naturalization process.
So I wasn't eligible for citizenship till 1990. And I became a citizen in 1991. Took the oath and all to become a citizen.
So that is the legal pathway.
It's expensive.
It is slow.
It is the right way to get in.
So someone today, you know, to get into America, they have to go through all those pathways?
They have to go to school?
No, no, because that was my pathway.
What if somebody is like, let's say a mechanical engineer, and he wants to get, you know, a job here?
Does he just, does he go through like...
Send in his resume and then hope that somebody calls him and then he comes with...
What kind of a visa does he come with?
Well, here's the legal pathway.
I mean, basically, you have to find the job first because the employer sponsors you.
And the job...
It has to be in an area in which there is a shortage.
But does that person come as a visitor and then get a job?
How does that work?
Well, you can apply from another country, send in your resume and get a job that way.
You don't have to physically be here.
Or you can come as a tourist and go interview for the job.
And then they're like, yeah, we'd like to hire you, but then you can't stay in the country.
You've come as a tourist.
You have to leave.
But once they've decided to hire you, they can sponsor you.
And if they sponsor you...
It is, they have to deal with the labor department and the immigration department, and they have to prove certain things.
So for example, let's just say you're a mechanical engineer.
The labor department will look and see, do we need mechanical engineers?
If they do, you have to then show that you have the right credentials, that this is a job where you can support yourself.
So this is the process.
And it is, as I say, it's not, it is frustrating.
It is so frustrating that I had an immigration lawyer, but he would never call me back.
So you call him, you leave a message, and when he feels like it, he calls you back.
So I just remember a lot of frustration in the process.
It is the worst-run U.S. government agency.
It makes the DMV look magnificent, like an Apple store.
So what's the answer?
Well, the answer really is to...
The answer is to reform and streamline our legal immigration process.
We need to be very surgical.
And if you look at places like Canada and Australia, they're very opportunistic.
It's very much a Canada first or Australia first policy.
They just look and see what they need.
What does the country need?
We're not starting out with the illegal or the legal applicant.
We're starting out with...
What do we need?
It's kind of like you and I say, we need somebody to fix our yard.
Or we need somebody to paint our house.
So the country needs to say, this is what we need.
This is a list of all the things that we need.
Now, we put out the word that we're looking for applicants in these areas.
And then you set up very efficient screening processes.
This whole thing can be very streamlined and run very efficiently.
The problem is that...
There's such a complex set of political motives that set up our process, and now it's riddled with all kinds of unfairness and even corruption, because I've mentioned to you chain immigration, all kinds of things, and there are powerful lobbies that fight for those things.
So I don't see the political will right now in the legislature.
To be able to have any kind of comprehensive immigration reform.
If Republicans had a 30 or 40 seat majority in the House and maybe a 7 or 8 seat majority in the Senate, it'll happen then, but not otherwise.
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