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Feb. 11, 2025 - Dinesh D'Souza
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GLOBAL PROPAGANDA MACHINE Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1019
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Thank you.
Coming up, I'll reveal how this Doge expose is showing the way in which Democrats have ripped up the social contract and replaced it with something very bad and very secret in its place.
I'll draw also on Ayn Rand's concept of the looters and the parasites to show what is now being exposed in the federal government.
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There is a new poll out from CBS on Trump's popularity and a poll that addresses the question of, is Trump doing the things that he promised to do or that he campaigned on doing? is Trump doing the things that he promised to do And the results are pretty startling.
Trump is now at 53% approval rating, 47% disapprove.
Now, this may seem like a fairly close number, but this six-point gap is a bigger approval rating than Trump has ever had.
And Margaret Brennan of CBS reporting on this, you could see the kind of dismay written all over her face.
Kind of transparent, transparent in the sense that you can see through what they're really feeling or what they're really getting at.
And you could tell she was in anguish in letting us know that not only is Trump more popular, but most people think, the vast majority of people think, he's doing what he said.
And in fact, that seems manifestly obvious.
They keep talking about Elon Musk and he's rogue, he's doing...
He's the real president.
Trump is working at Elon Musk's orders.
And this is the Democrats trying out, putting out a feeler, if you will, to see if this kind of attack sticks.
I don't think it's going to.
Trump and Musk campaigned together, and Trump basically said, I'm going to have this guy look into the government, turn over the stones, look underneath them, and expose all the waste and corruption, and we're going to get rid of it.
And this was put forward to the American people, not only before the election, but in the days leading up to the election with crystal clarity.
So this, I think, is the reason why people correctly say Trump is a man who does what he says.
In fact, I cannot think of a president more than Trump who just does what he says.
If he says he's going to do tariffs, he does tariffs.
If he says he's going to pardon Ross Ulbricht, he pardons Ross Ulbricht.
It's almost like he has a certain unsophisticated directness to him.
If I say it, I mean it.
If I mean it, I'll do it.
Now, Scott Jennings on CNN thinks that the key to Trump's success is the 80-20 rule.
And what is the 80-20 rule?
Basically, it is the idea that on certain issues, the American public is evenly divided.
So, for example...
Reform Social Security.
You're going to find Republicans, by and large, think, yeah, it does need to be done, but a lot of Democrats and maybe a majority of Americans, and now we don't want anyone fooling around with our Social Security.
So, that is a tough one.
But there are many issues on which it's not so close.
In fact, it's 80-20.
The vast majority of Americans are on one side, and only a small group of Americans are on the other.
Let's look at some of these 80-20 issues.
One.
We need to seal the border.
80-20.
There's only 20% of Americans, and you really wonder who those 20% are, who say we do not need to seal the border.
We need to send the criminal aliens back.
80-20.
Men are men and women are women.
That you cannot really traverse the gender boundary based on your own imagination.
80-20.
So what Trump does, according to Scott Jennings, is he takes an 80-20 issue, one after the other, He grabs the 80 and he lets the Democrats grab the 20. I would argue that this issue that I'm focused on the last several days and today as well, which is cutting waste and fraud and corruption in the government, is easily an 80-20.
What taxpayers think it is a good idea for us to work all our lives, give money to the government that is extracted out of our hard-earned work, and then have them just waste it?
Transgender programs in Brazil, finding out if they can make animals gay, promoting this and that in Afghanistan, or sending money off to Ukraine, helping immigrants, illegals come across the border, making the long journey from the Darien jungle all the way to the US border.
And we provide them with all kinds of help along the way.
Nobody...
Very few people are for this kind of stuff.
This is bad news.
And yet, this is what the Democrats are defending.
So this is Scott Jennings' theory.
The key to Trump's popularity is he grabs the 80 on the 80-20.
I would add to that a second point, and that is that Trump is proving himself to be a man of action.
He's a doer.
He doesn't just do what he says, but he does stuff.
And he's...
He's thinking outside the box and then he acts on it.
He comes up with ideas that at first glance you go, what?
And then on second glance you go, hmm.
And on third glance you go, that actually might work.
I had a little exchange this morning with Uyghur of the Young Turks and he's like, I cannot believe what Trump said about Gaza.
He actually wants to move the people out of there.
And then Cenk goes, you know, why should they do that?
Why should they agree to that?
Gaza is their home.
Would you do that?
And my answer was, upon reflection, yes.
I mean, if you live in a place, and that place has been, for whatever reason, it could be a war, it could be an earthquake, some kind of disaster, meteor strikes, the place that you lived in is reduced to absolute rubble.
Toxic fumes everywhere.
And someone said to you, hey, Dinesh, you know what?
Here's another place.
And we're going to make it easy for you to get from here to there.
And you will have opportunity.
You will have peace.
You can rebuild your life.
Things are going to be better for you over there.
What sane person would reject this out of hand?
No, I refuse.
I'm going to stay on the rubble.
The rubble belongs to me.
I have an ancestral connection.
No.
At the very least, this is something worth considering.
And that's Trump.
He's a man of action.
And I think it's becoming clear to people that, by contrast, Biden was obviously a man of inaction.
And the contrast could not be more vivid, even more startling, because Trump is in for such a short time.
And look at the flurry of action that we've seen on so many different fronts.
Now, the left is...
Beside themselves.
And it's interesting to see what they're beside themselves about.
Trump did a trans executive order.
I think the left realized that this is something that's going to be difficult for us to fight.
So interestingly, even though they've been pushing this issue fanatically for years, they have sort of let it fall by the wayside.
They're not freaking out on that issue.
Very interesting.
The border.
I think the Democrats realize we've kind of lost that one.
We tried.
We brought in all these people.
Maybe some of them we won't be able to send them all back.
But the Democrats are like, we cannot be on the side of a porous border, an open border.
So notice, I think that they are inwardly upset about it.
But that's not the issue.
That's not the hill that they're choosing to sort of die on.
What is the hill that they're choosing to die on?
That's what I'm going to take up in the next segment.
I'm just going to read a few quotations.
Ilhan Omar, what we are witnessing is a constitutional crisis.
Democrat Senator Chris Murphy, the most serious constitutional crisis since Watergate.
This is a red alert moment.
Our democracy is at risk.
Caitlin Collins.
We are three weeks into the second Trump presidency, and tonight there are warnings the U.S. is dangerously close to a constitutional crisis.
So I know it sometimes seems like they send a memo out because everybody starts repeating the same phrase.
It's a recycled kind of alarm.
But I think from the Democrats' point of view, it is a constitutional crisis.
And in some ways...
They are right that two big things are clashing with each other.
Elon Musk, in a way, has unwittingly set off a tripwire.
And when I come back, I'm going to discuss what is that tripwire?
What is this fight really all about?
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Debbie was listening on the way to the podcast.
We usually come together, but she went to get her hair done.
And so she had to make the journey on her own.
And she's listening to Hakeem Jeffries.
And she's like, this guy was so out of control.
He was just freaking out.
He was acting like his livelihood is at stake.
And I suppose, in some ways, it is.
In other words, when the left talks about an existential threat, they're right.
Trump is a threat to their lifelong grift.
He is a threat to this elaborate system that they have created.
A Democrat-run, not just police state, that was an important theme stressed in my recent film, police state, but also the Democrat looter state.
It is the systematic looting of the taxpayer.
It's done through this elaborate mechanism of NGOs.
This is sort of how it works.
The Democrat elected leaders create the NGOs.
Their wives, their sister-in-laws, their family members and friends then populate those NGOs and are paid millions of dollars a year by government grants from places like USAID. Then what they do is, with that largesse, They turn around and fund democratic left-wing groups, democratic campaigns.
So the politicians get the money back, or at least they get a chunk of that money back.
And all of this is looted from the...
This is a system, by the way, and Republicans are not immune to it.
They also benefit from it, but the Democrats created the system.
They are the primary looters.
They are the five mafia families, so to speak.
Republicans, in some ways, get a small spot at the watering hole of the swamp.
It was the philosopher and writer, Ayn Rand, Who came up with this concept of the looters.
A very important concept because what Rand is saying is not just that government is inefficient, it doesn't have a profit bottom line, it makes mistakes because it doesn't pay attention to prices and profits.
Rand's point is that government is populated by people who are very good at thievery.
That is their specialty.
They are parasites.
Another one of Rad's favorite words, and they are looters.
So the parasite and the looter are kind of the same, right?
The parasite leeches off the host.
And the parasite is very sly because the parasite pretends like it cares about the host's welfare.
And it does.
Why?
Because the host is necessary to feed the parasite.
So the parasite is always invoking the host.
Let's do this for the welfare of the host, which basically means we're for the people.
We're for democracy, but democracy here is seen as nothing more than a system of feeding the parasites.
And the other concept of the looters is that government becomes an elaborate scheme.
It's a disguise scheme because it can't be too much in the open, but it is a scheme for looting the public.
Let's take an example of it, a concrete example.
Now, the United States, through USAID, Now, the Roosevelt Hotel was on the verge of shutting down.
It was virtually empty.
No one was in it.
The Roosevelt Hotel was owned by the government of Pakistan.
And so what does USAID do?
In a deal negotiated by Chuck Schumer himself, what happens is Chuck Schumer revives the Roosevelt Hotel.
Because he tells USAID, you basically create full occupancy in the Roosevelt Hotel.
You pay for all the rooms.
So the Roosevelt Hotel is like, great, we're now back in business.
Every room is occupied.
We don't even have to advertise.
Why?
Because the room is going to be occupied by an illegal.
Who's going to pay for it?
USAID. Who is happy about this arrangement?
It's a deal brokered by Schumer.
He's happy about it.
The government of Pakistan is thrilled.
They owned an asset that was largely useless.
Now they're getting all these revenues.
So this is a way of bankrolling also Pakistan.
Think about it.
And all of this...
It's undisclosed.
It's a backroom deal.
It's being done by USAID. And so this kind of complex negotiation, we think of Democrats as being kind of dumb, and they are, but they're good at this kind of thing.
They're good at thievery.
Thievery is, in fact, their occupation.
And so what is really going on here?
What is the existential crisis that I've been referring to?
It's really pretty simple.
The Democrats have torn up the social contract.
If you look at what Schumer's doing, it's the job of elected leaders to protect the public from the abuses of the government.
In his case, he sees it as the opposite.
He's just created this kind of special portal.
He calls it the whistleblower portal.
What is he doing?
He's protecting the government from disclosures to the public.
And so he's doing the inverse of what an elected leader is supposed to do.
Why is he so freaked out?
Why is Hakeem Jeffries so freaked out?
Here's why.
For the ordinary American taxpayer, they thought, and they have thought this for 100 years, we have a social compact.
And that is, we work hard, we earn money, and a chunk of that money, 15%, 20%, 30%, up to 38% in federal taxes, It goes to the government.
We don't like to part with it.
If we make $100,000, who wants to give up $15,000?
If you make $200,000, who wants to give up $35,000?
If you make $1 million, who wants to give up $350,000?
But you do it.
And you do it not only because you're forced, because there's a gun to your head.
That's part of why you do it.
The other reason you do it is you think there's a deal.
And that is, I work hard, I contribute money to the government, and they provide needed and essential services to people who need it.
They're going to fix the roads, they're going to protect me from crime, they're going to protect me from international thugs.
And then you realize, they are running a completely different racket.
So in other words, to them, you are feeding the swamp.
And they love it.
Doge is putting the swamp on a diet, or at least it's threatening to do that.
And so what Democrats have really done is they have torn up the social contract already.
It's already in the garbage pail.
But they don't want us to know about that because they want us to keep working hard.
Tax day is coming up in April.
They want us to willingly part with our money.
Oh, yes, we have public servants.
Their whole rhetoric is aimed at nobility, philanthropy, as if a public servant is not out for a salary.
They're really just doing it for the public.
Well, if they're doing it for the public, why don't they do it for free?
Why are they receiving large salaries?
Generally, the public sector now pays better than the private sector.
These people often have the kind of tenure that people in the private sector can only dream of.
So they have ripped off the social contract.
Basically, their contract right now is the same as the formula that Abraham Lincoln used to describe slavery.
You work, I eat.
That's their formula.
It's a great formula for them.
And so if you threaten the formula, if you threaten the arrangement, then they get freaked out.
It is an existential crisis because the swamp is at risk.
Their livelihoods are at risk.
Their big salaries...
Think of the way that government employees somehow all end up with millions of dollars.
People who run agencies and get normal salaries, somehow their net worth is massively inflated by the time they get out.
That's because of the racket.
We are now onto the racket.
And so, therefore, when they say, our livelihood's at stake, think of it.
These people generally don't freak out about things.
You tell them something like, you know, Lake and Riley was murdered by an illegal immigrant.
And you notice that they're not even flustered by it.
It's no big deal.
Why?
Because it's Lake and Riley.
It's not them.
On the other hand, you say, You're not going to be able to make eight figures anymore.
You're not going to end up with a $20 million net worth.
You're not going to be able to buy that chateau.
Then they freak out.
It's an existential threat.
Democracy is at stake.
What they really mean is that their mafia operation is finally coming under public scrutiny.
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Guys, I'm delighted to welcome to the podcast a new guest.
It's Kim Bright, and she is the founder of Brightcore.
We're going to get into what Brightcore is all about, but she's a pioneer in the nutrition industry.
She's an expert in health and wellness.
She's been featured on a bunch of nationally syndicated and local radio and TV shows over the years.
She's also done personal consulting with really over 10,000 people, lectured all over the United States.
She's attended and taught at the Kushi Institute in Massachusetts.
You can follow her on X. It's at mybrightcore, B-R-I-G-H-T-C-O-R-E. And the website is mybrightcore.com slash Dinesh.
We're going to talk about that.
A little bit later.
Kim, welcome.
Thank you for joining me.
You know, the issues of nutrition and health are not issues that have been central to my podcast over the last few years, but they have been brought to the forefront by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., by this whole so-called Maha movement or Make America Healthy Again.
All of this must have come...
Kind of as music to your ears as somebody who has been in this industry and in the nutrition field for a long time.
Can you talk about the significance of this kind of new area of politics that we're now focused on?
RFK Jr., of course, is now up for confirmation, most likely this week.
What does this tell you about what's happening in our politics?
Well, it tells me everything that I'm happy to hear because we're finally seeing change.
We're going to not only is President Trump putting common sense back in, but we're going to have common sense back into our health area.
And we've been over the top for years and years.
We've had so much corruption and we've had a machine built by the elitists, the deep.
Those that want to stay in power.
Those that want to keep us sick.
It's all hooked together with the FDA and Department of Agriculture and poisoning of the soil and the earth and the food supply and all of that.
And so with RFK Jr. coming in, he has so much experience and background.
I have almost 50 years in this.
And he's got just as much.
And he's seen it and he's taken to trial.
All these different people in areas of environment, of health.
And so he really has a great background to be able to expose all this.
And, you know, there's so much that's happening.
I mean, there's this wonderful Arizona State Congressman that knows all these things that are in our food, the corn syrup solids, the dyes, the...
He wants to get them out.
He's put forth a bill to get the lunches for our children, what they're eating, to get those cleaned up.
And I'm so excited to hear that.
Because what we're doing, if we really look at things simply, Dinesh, we've got two agendas.
One, people want to be healthy.
They want to know what to eat and what's good for them.
And they've been trusting the other side that wanted to keep them sick.
And they're putting forth into our foods things that don't work for our bodies, and they tear our bodies down, and they make us sick.
They tear our DNA down.
The dyes, the titanium dioxides, the parabens that are made from petroleum, all these things.
The FDA has said, oh, these are fine.
Well, no, they're not.
And so now, RFK Jr. getting in there is really going to shine the light on all of this and expose it for what it is.
It's been a moneymaker to keep us all sick.
You know, this is such a startling idea, Kim, that had you said this to me 10 years ago, I would have difficulty believing you, right?
But I think what happened in COVID is we got a look into the bowels of the health industry and into the NIH and into the pharmaceutical industry, and we realized that, you know what, even though they always say that they are there for our benefit to cure diseases and make us better, they have their own set of incentives.
Well, I think you're right, Dinesh.
And I also think that this USA aid that they've exposed now, we see where the corruption and the money, it's going in directions and areas that don't help us.
And it's the same thing that Robert Kennedy is going to find when he looks in this direction where he's going to head.
And I really think that it's high time that we start paying attention because...
All these red dyes and blue dyes and green dyes, they have all been documented to cause heart disease, to further ADHD, to cause nerve problems in children, attention problems, heart problems, digestion problems.
All these things are there, and we've been trusting.
People have been trusting.
And I know you said that you wouldn't have believed me 10 years ago.
I've been doing this for almost 50 years, like I said, and I've worked with very sick people, and when I gave them the idea of, you've got to get rid of all your food, basically, and start over with just real food again, and not all these additives in it.
And people thought I was crazy, and doctors told them I was crazy.
But I got results with eating naturally, common-sense foods and drinks, and get water back in, get exercise back in.
Simple, common-sense things that people have been ignoring for so long.
And is it the case, Kim, that the reason we got into this mess is that you had a kind of collusion between a food industry that found it cheaper to stick all these preservatives into the food and use the high fructose corn syrup, and they were able to sort of take over or co-opt the FDA so that a government agency that is supposed to be looking out for the consumer...
Well, I think the FDA started out as a good, it had good intentions.
They wanted to protect us.
The first person that was over the FDA, he had that intention.
But then came the corruption, came the opening.
You know, the Rockefellers were funding all the colleges, the medical colleges.
They were producing the petroleum.
Petroleum makes chemicals.
It makes medications.
You've got everybody in bed together.
We've got a whole circle here.
We've got the artificial fertilizers being made and all of these things.
All these things aren't good for us.
And they were purporting that, oh, we won't be able to feed the people.
We have to give longer shelf life with these chemicals.
We have to...
Flavor enhancers.
We have to make it look Better.
So kids will eat it.
We have to be more colorful.
No.
No, we've got other things that we can do with real things.
So, you know, it's just these poisons, they've been poisoning us, Dinesh.
And what they've been doing to us is tearing our guts apart, tearing our hearts apart, our brain, all of this.
And you've got to start in the gut because the gut is where everything starts.
That's 70 to 80 percent of our immune system is in our gut.
So our guts have been attacked.
For generations with these chemicals and what they do is they allow our microbiome to be overpopulated with the bad guys.
We've got a war going on in our gut.
We've had it for a long time.
We've got a war in our microbiome on our skin.
In our brain we have a microbiome.
All these bad chemicals and food additives have been doing nothing but tearing that apart and tearing it down so pathogens can come in.
Thus we have.
We have diabetes.
We have cancer.
We have all these things because if you look at what we're ingesting, if you look at what we're breathing, if you look at what we're drinking in our water supply, it's filled with pathogens and chemicals.
And that's from all of this going into our bodies and coming out again and going into the soils that the plants pick up when they...
Are growing for us.
So this is the problem.
And, you know, there's so much that we can do to reverse this damage.
You know, we've got to choose our foods.
We've got to stop with the processed foods.
Get all of these chemicals out.
Drink clean water.
You know, get regular exercise.
Get sleep.
But our body can't do those kind of things if we keep putting poisons into them.
And it's so sad with the children because, you know...
People now, between the age of 30 and 50, I think, have leaky gut syndrome like nobody's business, like we've ever seen before, and colon cancer.
And all of these children are having cancer show up earlier.
They're having attention deficit disorder.
They've been putting on more drugs, more chemicals going in their body.
It's high time we had somebody like RFK Jr. going in there and really exposing all this and putting us on the right train track.
I mean, Kim, it seems so obvious if you just take two very simple examples, one being allergies and the other just being gross obesity.
If I just look at the 40 years or so that I've lived in the United States, I've never heard of people having so many allergies in the past.
It seems like allergies have just exploded.
And the second thing is...
The physical size of the average American seems to have doubled in the last generation.
It's just downright embarrassing.
And clearly, that's not good for our health, right?
It's connected to all kinds of ailments and so on.
I don't think that you need to convince people that something is very wrong here.
I think what people would say is, hey, in my busy life, I'm working.
I go to the local grocery store.
What should I do to start getting on the right track?
What would you tell someone who is a little rushed for time?
It's going to be complex for them to do very difficult things.
What are some easy first steps that you would tell people?
If they say, yeah, I want to get off of this treadmill of bad food and bad health.
Kim, where do I start?
Well, you start in the gut, like I said.
You know, these allergies and all these things you just talked about.
People over in Europe, when you go to Europe and you eat that food over there, they don't have allergies.
They don't have these things going on.
But they come to America and they get them too.
So it's in our food here.
It's in our food supply.
So where do we start?
We start with the gut.
And the most important food that you can put back in your gut is called kimchi.
Kimchi is a fermented food that has been used for centuries over in Korea.
And it's actually, that's how they stay so healthy over there.
It's their whole national way to stay healthy, is eating kimchi.
And kimchi is so important.
They eat it not only every day, but sometimes every meal.
And again, it's been used down through the centuries to keep them healthy.
It keeps their skin healthy.
It keeps their hair.
They've got great hair over there because our gut has a direct access to our skin.
Our brain is called the gut-skin axis and the gut-brain axis.
And so what's going on in the gut?
Is going to also show up on our skin.
And when you have skin problems, when you have obesity, when you have brain problems, thinking problems, brain fog, all of these things, attention deficit disorder, all of it starts in the gut.
So you need to eat a fermented food called kimchi.
And kimchi is so vital because there have been studies done.
That show obese people, they took people that had high BMIs and high waist circumferences, and they ran studies in Korea on them eating kimchi, and they had incredible results.
They had the waist circumference significantly reduced.
They had the BMI significantly reduced.
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And by taking a fermented food like kimchi, we are going to see such incredible results in our overall health.
And there was actually a study on hair that showed a lot of people have hair falling out all the time, even children.
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I was just going to say that.
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Is that right?
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I'm continuing my discussion of a chapter called American Furors that deals with FDR on the one hand.
And Mussolini and Hitler on the other.
I make the case that not only is FDR a kind of American Fuhrer, but that there were connections between FDR and the Fuhrers of Europe.
Now, I should say at the outset that FDR wasn't really a fan of Hitler.
He never liked Hitler, but he did like Mussolini.
And what I want to do today is go into some of the detail of not just FDR, but the people around him, his brain trust, the prominent progressive and democratic intellectuals of the time, because I want to show that it wasn't a case of personal infatuation.
FDR thought Mussolini was cool, but there was an ideological affinity.
And the progressives on this side of the Atlantic recognized it.
In fact, they saw Mussolini as more progressive than FDR, setting a path and leading the way for FDR, and FDR saw it that way himself.
Now here's FDR, Franklin Roosevelt, in a letter to a journalist, John Lawrence.
He's talking about Mussolini, and he says, I don't mind telling you in confidence that I'm keeping in fairly close touch.
With that admirable Italian gentleman.
This is FDR being kind of whimsical, but evidently he has close ties with Mussolini.
He's not revealing what those are, but he's admitting that he has them.
In June of 1933, FDR wrote his Italian ambassador, a guy named Breckinridge Long.
He says this, by the way, Breckinridge Long was himself a Mussolini admirer.
And here's FDR. There seems no question he is really interested in what we are doing.
And I am much interested and deeply impressed by what he has accomplished and by his evidenced honest purpose in restoring Italy.
So I think how interesting this is.
FDR does not see Mussolini as a horrible dictator who is destroying Italy.
On the contrary, he's restoring Italy.
And moreover, FDR is like, he's accomplished a lot.
FDR, by the way, was just elected and just getting started.
Remember, he took office in January of 1933. This is June of 1933. FDR now dispatches members of his brain trust.
This is a little intellectual cadre around him.
Three members of this brain trust are sent to Rome.
Go study what Mussolini is doing and help us to bring those ideas over here to America.
And here's Rexford Tugwell.
He's one of FDR's closest advisors.
He comes back from Italy and he says, Mussolini has the same people opposed to him as FDR has.
Interesting, right?
The opponents of Mussolini are the entrepreneurs, the small business people, the churches.
Who's opposed to FDR? The exact same people in the United States.
And this is not my opinion.
This is FDR's own advisor noticing this.
Fascism, says Tugwell, I'm now quoting him, quote, is the cleanest, neatest, most efficiently operating piece of social machinery I've ever seen.
It makes me envious.
Rexford Tugwell likes fascism.
It's great.
It's so efficient.
I'm jealous.
I wish we could have more of that here.
That's what he's saying.
And if you think that these are opinions like restricted to America, not so.
In England, the Fabian socialist George Bernard Shaw praises Mussolini, says he is the guy who is actually implementing socialist ideals.
We talk about them.
He's putting them into effect.
In 1932, the utopian leftist H.G. Wells, the author, called for a, quote, Liberal fascism in the West.
He even used the phrase, we need, quote, enlightened Nazis.
So, Wells is calling for an importation of Nazi ideals, maybe modified, maybe not so much tied to a single strongman, enlightened Nazis or Nazism.
The leftist journalist, Lincoln Steffens, who went to the Soviet Union and praised it, By saying, I have seen the future and it works.
Lincoln Steffens was also a fan of Mussolini.
And he said, quote, God has formed Mussolini out of the rib of Italy.
In other words, this guy is the kind of the representative.
He is the Adam of Italy.
He is the first man of Italy.
He is going to found a new Italian system or regime.
The progressive writer Horace Callen, this by the way is an early champion of multicultural education.
He has a book on this subject.
And he says, look, we shouldn't judge fascism.
It's a quote, a great mistake to judge fascism as being tyrannical.
He says it is an experiment in social justice, quote, not unlike the communist revolution.
So again, sometimes when people hear me equate fascism, Socialism, communism, not claiming that these things are identical, but that they're cousins, that they bear a family resemblance to each other.
You'll have people now who say, well, Dinesh, where are you getting that?
Well, I'm getting it from the progressives themselves.
They saw these resemblances.
In fact, they celebrated them.
Charles Beard, the historian who is known for his critical attacks on the American founders.
He admires Mussolini.
He says, quote, he has brought by force of the state the most compact and unified organization of capitalists and laborers that the world has ever seen.
So this is the fascist synthesis.
The idea that government and business can go together.
Government can direct business, but the two are seen as friends and not enemies.
And similarly, Inside of business, management and labor can work together.
This is the whole notion of fascism, that the whole nation functions as one.
The normal conflicts of liberal democracy are removed, and what you have is this kind of new synthesis.
Now, one of the flagship publications of the left in the United States was the New Republic.
The founder was a guy named Herbert Crowley.
He celebrates Mussolini for quote, arousing in the whole nation an increased moral energy and subordinating the citizens quote, to a deeply felt common purpose.
So fascism unites the people into a single purpose.
Here's another New Republic editor saying that the New Deal is like Mussolini's fascism.
Quote, we are trying out the economics of fascism, meaning here in America.
And the New Republic praises Mussolini throughout the 1920s.
In 1934, the leftist economist William Pepperell goes to an international congress on philosophy in Prague.
And he praises what he calls Fabian fascism.
When a journalist in 1938 visited the progressive governor of Wisconsin, this is La Follette, he was really surprised to see two big framed photos in La Follette's office.
One, Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, who was a leftist, and the other, Benito Mussolini.
So you see right here...
That prominent progressives and Democrats have pictures of Mussolini on the wall because he is like their guy.
But there are people on the left who went further and even praised Nazism.
The writer Gertrude Stein, in 1937, she says the Nobel Peace Prize, the most deserving candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize is, you guessed it, Adolf Hitler.
And here is W.E.B. Du Bois, the prominent African-American left-wing intellectual, the antagonist, by the way, of Booker T. Washington.
Here's Du Bois.
He did a trip to Germany, by the way.
He praised a lot of things about how Germany is working, and he says that Hitler's dictatorship was, quote, absolutely necessary to get the state in order.
So it...
There might be some regrettable aspects to it, but it was necessary.
Hitler says Du Bois, quote, showed Germany a way out by making of his country, quote, a content and prosperous whole.
So Hitler has done two things.
He's made Germany prosperous, and he's made the Germans contented.
They like him, and Du Bois likes him in some respects as well.
In 1937, here's Du Bois, quote, there is today in some respects...
More democracy in Germany than there has been in years past.
So in other words, Weimar Germany, which came before, has less democracy than Hitler's Germany.
Hitler is a true representative of the people.
And Du Bois even contrasts American racism, which he says is kind of irrational, with Nazi antisemitism, which he says is, quote, based on, quote, reasoned prejudice or economic fear.
So what Du Bois is saying is that in America, the whites don't like the blacks, but they have no good reason to, because blacks are amazing.
But in Germany, the Germans don't like the Jews, and they have good reason, because the Jews are a threat.
The Jews are kind of what the Nazis said they were.
This is what he's getting at when he says reason prejudice.
Reason prejudice is a way of saying it's not mere prejudice.
It's not ignorant prejudice.
The Germans are drawing conclusions based on reason.
This is how the Jews behave.
If we don't like them, it's because they do...
Things that make them unlikable.
And similarly, economic fear.
When Hitler says the Jews are out competing us, the Jews are taking over the industries, Du Bois is saying, oh yeah, I guess so.
He seems to have a point there.
So today when you study W.E.B. Du Bois and all these black studies courses, all of this is like eliminated.
It is whited out.
It is edited.
It is removed because you can't possibly have Du Bois saying anything nice even remotely about Hitler.
But as I say, there it is in the historical record.
So I've gone through a bunch of names for the reason that I want to highlight that there are prominent figures on the left in the progressive movement, in the Democratic Party, intellectuals, academics, journalists, so-called civil rights figures like Du Bois, members of FDR's brain trust.
FDR himself.
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