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NO MORE RINOs Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1017
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We're going to talk about why the MAGA attacks on rhinos might be a tactical mistake, Trump's unique approach to foreign policy in places from Gaza to Greenland, Elon Musk's scheme to downsize the federal government, what we still don't know about that D.C. airplane collision, and the curious conflict between actors Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni.
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Debbie and I are geared up for our Friday roundup and And of course, there's been a ton of stuff that's happened this week.
But as we head out the door this morning, Debbie gives a major double take on my pants.
And it was one of those things where, like in the cartoons, You know, most people who give a double take, they kind of go like this.
They just kind of cock their head very slightly.
But Debbie, it's more like one of these where she goes like...
Like in the cartoons.
It has to be a major exaggerated motion.
And I think your point is that these kinds of purple pants would not be seen other than on me in the state of Texas.
Yeah, you have an array of colors that are...
That are really out there.
Well, I think I moved in this direction from making trips to Europe and actually specifically to Italy because Italians wear all colors.
I have an Italian husband with a last name D'Souza.
No, actually, you have some Italian heritage.
I do, but I'm just kidding because I don't dress like an Italian.
You do.
Yeah, this is true.
Well, the other thing is, I was making the point because you were saying, well, what kind of shirt?
And I was like, well, I'm going to wear green.
And you're like, is green going to match on purple?
And my point was, these are colors in nature.
Like you can see, you've seen purple flowers, right?
On a tree which has green leaves.
So unless God got it wrong, any colors that you see naturally occurring like this are going to match.
Think of it.
You have a brown bark and green leaves.
If you have brown pants and a green shirt, perfect match.
That is a perfect match.
Yeah, exactly.
That one is.
Sure.
All right.
Yeah.
I think we thought we would start off talking.
Speaking of nature, we thought we'd start off talking about that rare natural creature that has a political counterpart, the rhino.
The rhino.
The point that I want to make about all this is that it's a point very relevant, by the way, to these cabinet confirmations, right?
By the way, the Kash Patel confirmation has been kicked back about a week, so it may happen toward the end of next week.
We're expecting, of course, earlier in the week, the full Senate to vote on the confirmations of RFK and also Tulsi Gabbard.
By the way, sometimes on social media, there's misinformation.
People go, Robert F. Kennedy made it.
He's confirmed.
No, he's not confirmed.
He was approved by the committee.
And you have to get out of committee, go before the full Senate.
And that's also true with the plane crash, because immediately upon that plane crash, it was like, oh, you have four survivors, remember?
So you cannot take it.
Well, we had seen the guy on one of the media channels, and he was reflecting on an earlier incident over the Potomac River many years ago, which apparently did have four survivors.
And so a lot of people listening to that...
Thought that's what he meant.
Wrongly thought that he was referring to this particular crash, and they jumped on it.
So this thing, you know, it's understandable.
It's not a conspiracy theory.
They just were mistaken in this case.
But back to the concept of the rhino, I think here's the point I want to make and see what you think about it, is that if you take out the rhinos, we don't have either a House or a Senate majority at all.
So, in fact, the Democrats do.
So if you take the term rhino literally, Republican in name only, ergo, these people are Democrats.
If we were to kick those people out of the Republican Party and they were, they're like, okay, we're not welcome here anymore.
We're going to join the Democratic Party.
That means that Romney would become a Democrat, right?
And maybe Lindsey Graham, maybe not Lindsey Graham, but Romney for sure.
Susan Collins.
Murkowski, Collins.
And by the way, just right there, there goes our majority in the Senate.
It's a 53-47.
We've just taken away three.
Well, McConnell's not really a rhino.
He has a separate, like, resentful beef with Trump.
So he's in that sulking mode.
So he's a little different.
Right, so between the rhinos and the never-Trumpers, there you go.
Yeah, and then in the House, the same.
In fact, the House majority is even thinner.
You can't afford to lose any.
No.
And so all you have to do is pick five or six rhinos and there you go.
The Democrats have the majority.
And if they truly had the majority, Hakeem Jeffries would be, I mean, it would be terrible, right?
So this is another way of saying that if somebody has an R after their name, they are, in fact, on our team.
They're not rhinos.
There's a reason that they've chosen to be Republicans.
We should be, our focus should be on strengthening their spine.
Our focus should be on convincing them that, look, You may disagree with the team, your own team, on a couple of issues, but we want you to at least be with us on most of the other issues.
I think that should be our approach to the rhinos instead of a rather...
I mean, I can sort of understand where the belligerence comes from because these guys have stabbed us in the back.
They've stabbed Trump in the back.
And so there's a certain concealed rage over these rhinos.
But even so, we just have to hold back.
We do need them.
We need to take a page from the Democrats and unite the way they do.
You know, they don't all agree on their, you know, far-left communist, you know.
Well, like, look at how quiet they are right now by Fetterman.
They are not calling him a dino, a Democrat in name only.
They're not kicking him out of the Democratic Party.
In fact, they were even very quiet on Menendez.
They knew Menendez was a crook.
They knew he was going to be convicted, but they were like, listen, let's just keep it on the down low until that happens.
He may have to ultimately resign, but in the meantime, we need his vote.
And they don't alienate Cuellar either.
You know, we met...
Henry Cuellar on the airplane.
From the Rio Grande Valley, the congressman.
Yeah, I don't think he's from the Rio Grande Valley.
He's from that area, but not the RGV. He's from the border, but not the RGV. Anyway, he votes conservative a lot of the time, and he's still welcomed by the Democrats.
And the reason that he's important to them is that they know...
That on certain party line votes, they can count on him.
Yeah.
And in fact, they were able to do that.
That's right.
We were present, both of us, for the speaker vote on Mike Johnson.
And we thought, I wonder if a single Democrat is going to vote for Mike Johnson.
No.
No.
And so Cuellar, whom we had talked to hours earlier, stands up and he's like, no, Hakeem Jeffries.
And yet our team...
Did not do the same thing.
Well, but this is back to what we're talking about, which is to say that when you...
First of all, you're right.
We don't have the same discipline that they do.
And that is a failure of leadership because...
Is it a failure of leadership or is it a failure of just ideology?
Well, both, I think.
Because if you have a good leader...
That guy is going to sit down with the rhino and say, look, we succeed as a team.
If you want to be on our team, and you are, you are on our team.
That's why you have an R after your name.
And we're going to back you in elections.
We're going to put money into your races.
We're going to protect your incumbency.
But you have to do something for us in return.
And that is, on certain critical votes where we really need you, we are going to call on you.
And we're going to expect you to be a yes.
Now, we recognize you don't have to be with us all the time.
And there are issues, in fact, some issues where your vote is not even important to us.
You can vote however you want, and we're fine with it.
So that's what I mean by making a deal that, speaking in a language that these people can understand.
If you start bashing them ideologically and saying things like, you're closer to the Democrats than you are to us.
That is not a language.
Some of these congressmen, as you know, they come up through the business community.
They're not even that ideological.
Well, but I'm not even referring to the rhino being closer to the Democrats.
I'm talking about the rhino who thinks that principled Republicans shouldn't...
Follow suit, you know?
And so, like, for example, Romney.
You know, Romney, I don't think he's liberal in anything, is he?
No, he's not liberal, but this principled opposition, by the way, in the Republican Party comes from the right and from the moderates.
So, as you know, Thomas Massey is an example on the right of someone who says, on principle, I will not sign this budget.
It spends too much money.
And I don't care if it's not going to go through.
I'm not going to sign it.
So you have some Republicans who are not signing it for one reason, and you have other Republicans who are on the right who are not signing it because of a different principle.
And we have this on our side.
So what a good leader needs to do...
Seems like we only have it on our side.
Yeah, what a good leader needs to do, again, is soften the edges on both sides, right?
And say to the Romneys of the world, hey, we need you on the team.
And say the same thing to the Masseys of the world.
Because there are going to be certain things that are really important to Massey.
He has to get some of those things in order for him to agree to this kind of a bargain.
So the Democrats are better at this kind of give-and-take politics.
And I think the lesson we want to highlight is they do not push people out of their camp.
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We want to talk in the second segment about Trump's foreign policy and specifically Gaza.
I want to kick this off by quoting Netanyahu from his trip this week to Washington.
He made a kind of a wry observation about Trump.
He says, one of the things about Trump is he comes out with something and he goes, people's first reaction is, he's crazy.
They go, this reaction, no one's ever thought of this before.
Only you, only Trump could come up with this.
It's nuts.
And then he goes, and then the same people over the next subsequent days or weeks scratch their heads and they think about it some more and they look at it a little more closely.
And then they go, well, I think he may be right.
And let's use that as a framework to discuss really an idea that the left, they can't even believe it.
And some of them are so outraged, now this could be fake outrage, but nevertheless, they say that this is nothing short of ethnic cleansing.
This is like, this is the kind of thing that Stalin did to the kulaks, and this is the kind of thing that was done in Bosnia and Serbia and so on.
Namely, Trump's idea, he looks at Gaza, and he basically says that the United States should take it over.
That's point number one.
Point number two, it should be an international resort, kind of like a Riviera.
Because after all, it is coastal property, by the way.
And he goes, let's make it really nice and let's move the people out of there.
This is the ethnic cleansing part of it.
But I think Trump is not saying, like, let's turn them into international refugees.
Instead, he's saying, Let's figure out places where these people can go, where they get an apartment, and they get a place to live, and they can find a job, and they can actually have a normal life.
Okay, so does he want to clean it up for them later, like for them to come back to Gaza?
No, no.
Basically just wants Gaza for a tourist destination.
Is that right?
I think this is what...
Let's just flesh out the idea before we even say whether it's good or bad or comment on it.
And I think his idea is this.
You've got these people and perhaps this was their...
This is a place that their ancestors have been, you know, for centuries.
But...
Trump is not buying into the idea that somehow we're genetically attached to the land.
It's kind of like, let's say I grew up in India, right?
And I grew up in this village and I really like the village and it's the only place I know.
But a massive tsunami comes through and levels every building in the village.
It's all shattered and it's all down to the ground.
And then somebody says, hey Dinesh, why don't you come live in Virginia?
There's a nice apartment here.
You have a job.
What I'm getting at is...
I would see that as an opportunity.
I would see that as the place I used to live in is gone.
If you look at a picture of Gaza right now, it looks like a Dresden after World War II. So the idea that somehow you have to, like, these people are not going to move anywhere.
They have to live here because this is their home.
I mean, this is part of the indoctrination.
And habitual way of thinking.
And I think what Trump just says is so out of the box that he goes, he takes something that is an ingrained assumption and he asks why.
How does that come to play with Bible prophecy?
You know where I'm going with this.
Well, I do know where you're going with this.
And I think where you're going with this, so let's spell it out, you know, is that Judea and Samaria.
They are, in fact, part of Israel, right?
They're part of greater Israel, if you want to use that term, but they're part of Israel.
They're part of the Old Testament.
It's not that the Old Testament had somehow carved out these two places and said, no, this is for some other people, not for the Israelites.
No, this belonged to the Israelites and the part of the Israelite kingdoms of Judah and of Israel.
I don't think Trump is, of course, thinking this way.
There are some people who, Who think that conservatives and Republicans are always thinking an apocalypse.
I think Trump is thinking like a real estate developer.
He sees America as like a giant corporation, and he sees these places in real estate terms.
What is the value of Gaza right now?
He probably thinks zero.
Because who would want to live there?
I mean, think about it.
It's rubble.
It's worth nothing.
So Trump's view is, why don't we make it worth a lot?
And we, the United States, will invest in it, but to invest in it, and this is where actually Republicans are different than Democrats, and Trump is different even than Republicans, the typical George Bush Republican would say, we will rebuild it and you have it.
No.
And change the hearts and minds of the people living there.
Exactly.
We'll export democracy to the Palestinians.
Trump is like, no.
You want us to rebuild it?
It's ours.
We take it.
We now run Gaza, but we run it like an international resort.
So people, I mean, it's hard for us to believe because we don't think of the Muslim world that way.
No.
But honey, look, Beirut used to be a very glamorous international resort.
It was one of the most desired places.
I don't think I would like to vacation in Beirut today.
Not today, but you would have probably in 1952. And honestly, even Tehran, under the Shah, Tehran was chic, and they had beautiful stores.
If you look at photos of old Iran, it's hard to believe that we have been living in 40 years of this Iranian revolution of the Malas, and they have given a whole new coloration to the Islamic world.
It's now defined by resentment, bitterness.
Suicide bombing.
And I think Trump doesn't buy into any of that.
So that's where he's going with all this.
And it's a wild idea.
And I'm not saying he can pull it off.
Netanyahu seems to like the idea, which I didn't think he would, given that he would want it for Israel.
I think he knows that Trump's heart is so close to Israel that Trump would never propose anything other than something that he saw as...
Raising the value of the Jewish state.
Not to mention later on, wink, wink, we could gift it back to them.
There I go again, thinking in biblical prophecy.
In terms of biblical prophecy, yeah.
All right, but now the wider landscape of Trump's foreign policy is becoming more clear.
Because think about it.
I'll just throw out some terms.
Right here, Greenland, the Panama Canal.
Trump allows his mind to...
Gulf of Mexico.
Gulf of Mexico.
Trump will take things that are not even on the political table and put them there.
There was no mention in the whole election campaign of the Panama Canal.
You have to go back to the Reagan-Carter debate.
In fact, I remember that.
I'd only been in the country a little bit, and I watched some of the Reagan-Carter debates, and I remember Reagan saying to Carter, We built it, we paid for it, and it's ours.
And so he was chastising Carter for turning the canal over to Panama.
And Reagan won on the issue, but he didn't do anything about it, any more than he did something about the Department of Education.
So what we're seeing with Trump is that Trump has the ability to look around the world and come up with things.
In some cases, it may not be him coming up.
Someone may suggest it to him and he may go, great idea.
Because some people are saying that this Gaza idea comes from Kushner.
That Kushner's been talking about this idea and that somehow Trump finally is either sold on it or thought it's intriguing enough.
Sometimes what happens in politics is people put out trial balloons, right?
They're like, you know, this is an interesting idea.
I don't know if it's going to work.
Let me put it out there.
See what comes back.
And then I can take stock and re-evaluate.
That may be, well, what's going on with the Gaza idea.
Do you really think those barbaric, you know, horrific monsters are going to go for this?
Well, the ordinary Palestinians have been subjected to unbelievable indoctrination.
But doesn't Hamas run this place?
They have been running it, but their military power is very low right now, right?
So imagine, let's just say that...
At Trump's urging, countries like Jordan, Egypt, United Arab Emirates were to make an offer.
Move out of Gaza, and if you have a family of four, you will get a two-bedroom apartment.
Think of it.
These are oil-rich countries.
They can do stuff like this.
You have a two-bedroom apartment and a job, and you can live in a Muslim country.
You're not going to be somehow forced, and you're not going to be under the thumb of Israel.
You will be on Islamic land.
Something you've always wanted and you just won't be in this particular place.
So if you have some, you know, fanatical attachment to that land and you refuse to leave, fair enough, you can stay.
But there is a better life waiting for you and it's being made available to you.
But what is the incentive for Jordan and all these other countries to do this?
I really don't see an incentive.
Well, the incentive is simply, first of all, all these countries profess to care deeply about the Palestinians.
Second of all, they have the means to do it.
And third of all, these countries are not overpopulated.
There's plenty of work to be done.
In fact, a lot of them import labor from India.
They import labor from other places.
The Palestinians, as a people, are pretty smart.
Because you'll even find, you go to a place like Silicon Valley, you'll find a surprising number of Palestinians.
You and I have been reading books on monetary policy.
One of the guys who writes about Austrian economics is a guy who lives in Gaza, believe it or not.
I was a little stunned because his politics- He actually lives there now?
Or he's involved with Gaza because he- How do you think the Palestinians, because as you know, we talk about this a lot when Venezuelans move to another country, they are always Venezuelans.
I mean, that is first and foremost what they are, right?
How do you think it's going to work for Palestinians to move to Jordan?
Well, I think that there's a key difference, and that is that the Venezuelans have an attachment to Venezuela that actually goes back centuries.
The weird thing about the Palestinians is that there were no Palestinians really until modern times.
The people who lived in that region were farmers, but there was no place called Palestine.
They didn't see themselves as Palestinians.
They didn't use that term, which is an old Roman name.
And so, essentially what happened, and this sometimes happens, is that you have the consolidation of a Jewish national identity, Israel.
And the Palestinian identity coalesces in response to that, or in conjunction with that.
So the Palestinian is a very new invention to that degree.
Somewhat similar to people who would say of me, Dinesh, I'm an Asian American.
I'm not really an Asian American.
No one in India sees themselves as Asian American, right?
We inhabit the same continent with the Filipinos and the Chinese, but we're not even like them in any respects.
But when I come to America...
It's a different way of thinking.
And so since Asia is seen in a continental way, I have to check the Asian-American box.
I've never been all that comfortable with it, but I do it.
And so if someone were to tell me, Dinesh, you are now seizing to be an Asian-American, I'm like, great.
So what?
I really never was.
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I've been talking all week about the Elon Musk-directed enterprise of exposing waste and fraud in the government and the massive democratic freakout over it.
What's your take on this expedition, which is operating alongside the government, it's part of the government, and yet it has a certain independent status?
This is part of what is...
I think making some people nervous, including some people probably on our side, which is what is the precise status of Doge?
It's not part of these agencies exactly.
It's authorized by Trump.
Evidently, it is a modified version of something that existed under Obama.
Obama had some kind of an organization, obviously.
As you and I know, nefarious.
It cannot have been up to any good.
I was going to say, what wasn't nefarious about Obama?
Right.
So I think what Trump did is he's like, here's an existing framework.
Let's just rename it Doge and turn it over to Elon Musk.
But I think really what is remarkable about this is unlike the Grace Commission, which I've referred to under Reagan, the Grace Commission had its own office.
It operated almost as a kind of auditing agency.
And it prepared a report, which, as you know, these agencies are expert at avoiding, ignoring, not implementing bureaucratic inertia.
With Elon Musk, it's totally different because he seems to have a carte blanche, open permission from Trump.
Go inside these agencies, get a hold of the levers of information so you can really see what's going on.
And what adds insult to injury is he's got these young, autistic 20-somethings.
Many of them are just pure geniuses.
Apparently, one guy, just to give an example, was asked, entered a contest to decode an ancient Roman hieroglyphic that no scholar has been able to decode.
He used AI, he decoded it, and he apparently won $390,000, and he's like 21. So, this is the type of guy, I mean, just contrast this guy with a do-nothing bureaucrat.
Well, I mean, look.
I think, first of all, when they say that Elon, oh, Elon this, Elon that, he's the richest man in the world.
Right.
He didn't become the richest man in the world because he's not the smartest man in the world.
Did you see the thing from AOC where she says he's really dumb?
Yes.
Former bartender.
She's the dumbest woman in the world saying that the smartest man in the world is really dumb.
I don't know.
I don't think you can even take that seriously.
You can't.
You really can't.
It's hard to know how to even react to that.
Here's a guy who's putting rockets into space, going to Mars.
Here's a guy who's made an...
He one-upped all the environmentalists by making the most successful type of electric car.
He's got a company.
The boring company is doing its thing.
That's right.
You've seen all the stuff where he's got people who have disabilities, who are paralyzed and are now able to move the mouse with their mind.
So this guy is a...
It's very hard in the world to be unique.
Pure genius.
And he is unique in a way.
It's hard to even think of historical analogies for Musk.
But in any event, back to the deployment of the little paratroop division of these autistic kids.
You were about to say, like, more power to them, right?
Oh, yeah.
And I jokingly yesterday said, well, what if the reverse happened to us?
What if they went in and then you're like, that we are doing, it is the reverse.
Because had it been, for what you're saying to be true, we would have to control the government.
We would have to have...
Right-wing bureaucrats infiltrating all the agencies.
We would have to have all these kickbacks coming to conservative Breitbart medias getting $800,000 from the, you know, the international agency of this and so on.
None of this is not only not happening, it's even hard to imagine.
Yeah, it's because their jig is up, right?
Jig is up.
And they are like furious because it's like, oh my gosh, what are we going to do now?
So almost everything that they say is transparently stupid, right?
He said things like, Elon's only out to make money.
Yeah, exactly.
That's one of the stupid things I heard.
It's like, really, the richest man in the world is making zero money.
In fact, why would he even want to?
Well, I mean, in reality, the opposite is true, isn't it?
These bureaucrats who have no value in the private sector.
Take someone like AOC. The reason she was a bartender is that that's kind of all she's good for.
Pretty much.
Right?
Obama.
Obama never had a job in the private sector.
When he did, he had the lowliest type of jobs because everyone knows he's a bum.
You mean he wasn't an accomplished attorney?
Or a constitutional scholar.
A constitutional scholar.
No, I couldn't even believe it.
One of my old professors was like, Dinesh, don't be so disrespectful.
Obama's a constitutional scholar.
And I go, name one, forget about book.
Name a single scholarly article.
Forget about the Constitution.
On any scholarly topic that this guy has published in any academic or even quasi-academic journal, it doesn't exist.
So it started, I guess, with Obama, the idea of creating this completely smoke-and-mirrors image of this guy.
And Obama himself, to give him credit, he didn't know how to play the part.
I mean, he was like, you know, he was like an actor who would like scratch his head as if he's really thinking about, you know, the fine distinctions between like ISIS and ISIL, right?
You love to bring that one up.
Well, it's just a slightly comical analogy because it's the kind of thing that Obama...
He likes to sound smart.
Exactly.
He likes to sound intellectual.
I think this is also why this is part of the hatred that he developed toward 2016, you know, my film on Obama, is it didn't take him at face value.
In other words, it treated him as a creature of pretension.
And it was like, let's expose the pretense.
And the hypocrisy?
The sheer hypocrisy, the intellectual hypocrisy, but also the moral hypocrisy.
And so I think he looked at it...
And he's not used to it, right?
Because even the conservative media was kowtowing to Obama.
Granted, he's the first black.
Granted, he's got the sainted status.
He's mistaken about the economy.
This is the tone of like the NRO, the National Review editorial.
That was not the tone of 2016, which was, let's look under some stones and see what we find here.
All right.
And so that's when the lock him up order went, you know, was dispatched right out.
But, you know, back to government and back to the expose, I'm hoping that this will produce, number one, real enduring public awareness about the Democratic Party and that it's become a massive thievery scheme.
We saw a really good video today.
Yeah.
I think the guy's name was Isaiah Carter.
Yeah.
And he was just...
Letting them have it.
And he was doing it for someone.
I suspect this guy was a Democrat because he was essentially, there was a wounded aspect of what he was saying.
Like, I never knew you people were all thieves.
I can't believe I was had by you.
Right.
And I'll never be fooled again.
So, and you know, this is, by the way, very...
It's very consistent with a theme that we have hammered through in exposing the history of the Democratic Party, which is these are gangsters.
Even when you go back to their days of slavery, they love the idea of getting people to work for them for free.
From Jackson to...
Andrew Jackson.
Later on, the collaboration of the Northern Democrats with people like Van Buren.
It was ultimately a racket from the beginning.
Now, there might have been honest Democrats, probably...
Truman, I suppose.
And there are a few others.
But Wilson and FDR? Are you kidding?
Wilson and FDR, the worst.
LBJ? And then in recent times, they're pretty much all...
Look at...
I mean, you can make some distinctions between Bill Clinton and Hillary, but together, they're running a racket.
No question about it, right?
John Kerry.
Even though he didn't make it at the presidency, he's been running his own racket.
Al Gore.
Another racket.
Obama.
Biden.
So racketeering.
And by racketeering here, I mean running a gangster operation for your own personal enrichment.
Well, you know, that was one of the parallels that I talked about with Hugo Chavez at the time.
Because Hugo Chavez died a billionaire.
I mean, think about that.
He stole.
From the people of Venezuela.
I mean, you'd show me pictures of his daughter who was like at the, you know, on the runway in Milan with designer outfits.
So she inherited that wealth.
Exactly right.
Yeah, yeah.
And so this is using the slogans of equality and caring for the poor, social justice.
All the while.
All the while cleaning out the bank.
Emptying people's pockets.
Robbing the treasury, basically.
Looting the treasury for your own benefit.
Debbie and I do a fair bit of flying.
And so, as you might imagine, this collision of a helicopter at Washington National or Washington Reagan Airport with an American Airlines small plane.
With a death toll, I believe 67, isn't it?
That's right.
This is something we've been concerned about and talking about in part because, well, we were in D.C. Yeah, we fly out of that airport.
You love that airport.
Well, because of its proximity.
Yeah.
It's so close to D.C. But the funny thing is that every time we fly there and I see the Potomac, I think of that disaster in 1982 where, you know, the people were clinging to life from those ice.
You know, I don't know, what do you call them?
You know, the...
Floating ice flows.
Yeah, floating.
Yeah, yeah.
And, you know, like four or five people survived that one, and it was horrible.
Every time we fly through that Potomac River, I think of that.
And so...
Well, I think what it is is that there are a few airports in this country, and I think of Washington, Reagan, and San Diego as examples, where the airport is sitting either right in the city...
Or just immediately adjoining it.
And so when you fly in, you see yourself by and large just skipping over tall buildings.
And then down you go and you're on the ground.
That's not normal because by and large, I mean, think of the Denver airport.
Yeah, but I think even worse than that because I think the buildings obviously, you know, if something goes wrong with the plane, bad, right?
But...
DCA is a little bit unique in that there are training missions going on all the time with these helicopters.
When we've flown into there, I have seen the helicopters kind of far away, and I kind of always think, well, that's kind of like, ew, because they're really so close.
Yeah, I don't understand why they need to fly in and around an airport of all places, because think about it.
In an airport, you can say...
All you want.
Airplanes fly over 10,000 feet, and then helicopters fly at 400 or 300 feet.
Well, obviously, at an airport, airplanes descend.
So airplanes fly...
At every altitude, as they come down toward the ground, they're going to cross the path of the helicopter.
They have to come down to 300 feet, 200 feet, 100 feet.
That's a mathematical inevitability, right?
Yeah, exactly.
Now, I don't really know what went wrong here.
There's a lot of speculation, and some of it quite idle, automatically assigning blame, or it was the DEI woman flying the plane.
Although I focused on DEI, I'm making a more general point, which is that DEI corrupts the merit standards of an industry and produces...
A certain type of intellectual and operational sloppiness.
Mediocrity.
Mediocrity that then filters through the organization, right?
You just don't expect the highest standards because you're looking at something else.
You're measuring some other criterion.
So it is relevant to explore the connection, the DEI connection, but it's not a one-to-one connection.
Right, right, yeah.
No, and of course, you know, it also gives way to a lot of really dumb conspiracy theories, which we need to, like, stay away from because people always think that we're crazy, that we're always coming up with these conspiracy theories.
What's an example of what you're thinking about?
Oh, they're like, oh, it was on purpose.
Somebody was flying, the helicopter was on a suicide mission, you know, that kind of thing.
It's like, no.
Yeah, that is, I mean, you know.
With all these things, the way to think about this is you start off with what is the prima facie plausibility of this, right?
In other words, you know, now frankly, if the helicopter pilot's name was Muhammad, we'd have to consider that a possibility, right?
No, for sure, yeah.
And I asked you, I was like, because remember, we've talked about this before.
I said, they are going to allow a...
Deranged Muslim pilot, at some point, he will fly our planes.
Because you cannot say no just because you belong to that religion, right?
And there are radicalized Muslims and you just don't know where they are or if they've been radicalized or not.
So that was my fear.
And what are the chances that throughout the airline system we have some infallible filtering system to identify those people?
You and I can say straight out, that does not exist.
No, it does not.
So if radical Muslims want to get the required training...
Behave themselves during their promotion process, stay away from obvious connections with radical organizations, but nevertheless nurse the radical ideology inside of their heads and in private, they're going to make their way through the system.
And it's true, and I think that that's the day that we're going to definitely regret not profiling, you know?
Yeah, well see, the Israelis would never, I mean, they're not dumb enough to allow this kind of stuff.
No, I get it, but we are.
So anyway, so...
Back to, I guess, flying.
We were in Mexico when we got wind of this, and that's why you weren't on the podcast talking about it, because we had pre-recorded some of the episodes.
On the flight to Mexico, we were, and by the way, a lot of people are, oh my gosh, you're going to Mexico.
It's so dangerous.
Yes, it is dangerous.
A lot of places are dangerous, but where we go, it's a little cove that is Very safe.
It's in a private, gated area.
We never go on any deserted roads at any point in time.
This is our third, fourth, third year going.
We've gone three years in a row.
So it's great.
It's basically a long weekend getaway.
Yeah.
It was just a few days.
But anyway, on the way there, we happened to have a little TV screen on the airplane.
And I watched a movie called It Ends With Us.
Going through all the movies and they're all dumb.
And I was like, hmm, I wonder what this is about.
I had no idea.
Didn't really know who Blake Lively was or Justin Baldoni.
I mean, I've heard the name.
I don't think I could place, you know, for Justin Baldoni, I've never heard of him.
Yeah, I had never heard of him either.
And so I was like, hmm, this looks like an interesting movie and then start watching.
And it's basically a movie and I don't want to ruin it for people that haven't watched it yet because it's actually on Netflix.
It's available on Netflix.
So it's about...
I mean, could you ruin it?
Was it even worth watching?
Was it a pretty good movie?
It was pretty good, yeah.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, so, I mean, if you like that sort of thing.
You wouldn't like it.
You wouldn't like it.
It's kind of a girly movie.
But anyway, it's actually a very serious topic.
It's about domestic abuse.
Oh, right.
So, apparently, Blake Lively's character, when she was a little girl, her mother was beaten by her dad.
So, her dad was an abuser.
Okay.
And the mom, and so when the dad died, she was supposed to go up there and talk about how great her dad was, and her mom goes, you know, just write the five things, five favorite things of your dad, right?
So she wrote one, two, three, four, five.
She gets up there, and she's in front of everybody at the funeral, and she looks at her piece of paper, and it's blank.
The five are blank.
She couldn't say anything about her dad because her dad was such a horrible person.
What could she possibly say that was going to be nice about her dad?
So anyway, all that to say, she grows up.
She falls in love with a man who happens to be a physician.
And guess what?
The same?
He's an abuser.
Oh.
Right?
She has...
A baby girl.
Anyway, I'm not going to give away the ending.
All right, so you're watching the movie.
I was like, oh, wow, this is, you know, okay, wow, sad, whatever.
Then, on social media, I see that Justin Baldoni is suing Blake Lively because basically she is trying to, you know, defame him, say that he was sexually abusive towards her.
All this stuff.
And I was like, what?
What's going on here?
It looks like she wrote herself into the plot of the movie.
Basically.
Well, you know, so the claims, he's like, oh, no, no, no, no.
You cannot say that.
And what was that one thing that I told you that they had?
Well, you were telling me they have something called a, what is it?
It's like a sex facilitator.
No, no, no.
I forget the name of it, but anyway.
Intimacy coordinator.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Intimacy coordinator.
Intimacy coordinator, honey.
So basically what happens is that anytime you have a sex scene between two actors, you have to have an intimacy coordinator.
We have one of those.
We have an intimacy coordinator.
We do?
Honey, we don't need one.
I was just trying to make us seem incredibly with it and cool.
Like, hey, haven't you heard of this?
Lots of people have intimacy coordinators, including us.
No, I was just trying to see if I could sucker the audience.
Anyway, keep going.
Anyway, so it turns out that while rehearsing, even rehearsing, you have to have one, right?
Right.
Well, apparently she didn't want to meet with this person.
For whatever reason, she didn't want to.
And there's like a lot of exchanges, text exchanges between the two of them that show that they were not...
You're saying he was on the up and up.
He was on the up and up.
According to these texts, he was on the up and up.
But now the judge is saying, listen guys, you're airing all this dirty laundry.
Posted all of these text messages and letters and emails and everything.
He's like, here it is, guys, for the world to see.
He puts the whole record out there.
And not only that, but then she wanted to take over the production.
It was his movie.
And so anyway, all that to say, she acted very, very unprofessionally, I think.
I mean, it seems like what's happening here is that the Hollywood, you know, He was a well-run, well-oiled machine, if we think back to the Reagan days.
Or prior.
Or even prior to that.
Reagan, when he was a young man, he would sign a contract with the studio to do like eight movies.
And they'd pay him well, but it's like, it's not your job.
We will tell you what the movies are.
We will tell you what your roles are.
You're in for eight movies.
Sign here.
And so these stars didn't get the idea it was all about them.
Yeah, apparently.
I think now what we seem to be seeing with this just being one example is deranged people in a somewhat deranged system.
A little bit of the narcissistic coming out, you know, for sure.
But anyway, so a...
A judge has said, listen, if you keep doing this, you're going to taint a potential jury pool and we're going to have to have this hearing a lot sooner.
And I think it's scheduled for March of 26. So still a long ways to go.
But he said that the damage that Baldoni is doing by exposing all these emails.
But look, I understand why he's doing it because there's nothing worse than having a woman meet to you.
When you didn't do anything.
Yeah, and quite a few men in our society have been in that position.
And he cannot get other jobs.
Studios don't want anything to do with him because they think he's a predator.
And very bad of this woman to do this, first of all.
I mean, it's just ridiculous.
Well, I mean, at the very least, you've got to say this big slogan from the Me Too movement, Believe All Women.
It cannot be accepted.
Maybe it's a starting point, but it can't be the end point.
You've got to look at the specificity of these things because, for one reason or another, a lot of people, male and female, in these situations lie a lot.
Very true.
And in this case, he's kind of putting out there that he's not the liar.
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