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Jan. 30, 2025 - Dinesh D'Souza
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THE FACE OF FREEDOM Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1011
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fake tears, over the plight of D.C. bureaucrats who are now required to show up for work.
Talk about Trump's transactional style and how it seems to be benefiting the country in ways previously unimagined.
And pro-life activist Beverly Beatty Williams, our friend, is going to join me.
She's going to talk about her conviction under the FACE Act, life in prison, and her recent pardon from President Trump.
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The theme for my opening remarks today is panic in the bureaucracy, in the federal bureaucracy.
And I want to talk about two things.
One is the new requirement on the part of the Trump administration.
That federal bureaucrats show up to work and do it five days a week, put in normal business hours.
Now, much of the country is well past COVID, and while there are some companies that have partial, you know, you work on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, you stay home Thursday, Friday, a lot of companies are back to normal business.
You work in a bank, you got to show up at the bank.
And so, why should it be any different for the federal bureaucracy?
Well, Joe Biden and the Biden administration tried to make it different.
They tried to lock in a bunch of agreements that would extend pandemic protections.
Let's remember, the pandemic was in March of 2020. Under COVID rules, there were people who worked at home, and that's understandable.
I suppose that makes sense.
But what Biden was trying to do is to extend these protections in such a way that they could not be undone by Trump.
Well, Trump is having none of this, and rightly so.
And so essentially the Trump people are like, show up to work or you're out.
And this has apparently caused a flurry of Scrambling on the part of these federal bureaucrats.
Why?
Because a number of them, some of them even moved out of Washington, D.C. Think about that.
They figured, I don't have to show up for work, so why live here?
It's cheaper to live somewhere else.
I'll go live somewhere else and just collect my paycheck.
Others live in Washington, D.C. or greater Washington, D.C. So you probably know the D.C. kind of sprawling apparatus includes Northern Virginia.
It includes parts of Maryland.
There are very nice, leafy suburbs in Virginia and Maryland both.
When I was in the Reagan administration, going back now to the 1980s, by and large, the Republicans lived in Virginia, the Democrats in Maryland.
But the Democrats outnumber the Republicans so much, and they did, certainly under Biden, that the Democrats live in Virginia, the Democrats live in Maryland.
And a lot of them are saying things now, and it's so telling.
They're making these videos on TikTok saying things like, now I have to worry about childcare.
And what does that tell you?
What that tells you is that these people weren't really working.
They were hanging out at home.
They were watching TV. They were probably doing Netflix.
They were hanging out with their kids.
And now they're like, I need to get someone to look after my kids.
I need to get a sitter.
I need daycare.
Which is what all normal people have to do when they work.
In other words, when you work, you're supposed to be working.
You're paid for the work time.
Now, I'm not saying that bureaucrats really do any work.
I grant that they do no work or mostly useless work.
These are people, by and large, who have very few skills.
There are some exceptions.
But mostly these guys are expert at having meetings and writing memos.
And this is really why they're terrified, by the way, of leaving government, because I think they know what useless slugs they are and how generally unemployable they are in the private sector.
What company is going to hire you?
I mean, companies do have meetings, but companies also make products.
They offer services.
By and large, bureaucrats are inert.
They're useless.
The term government worker is kind of an oxymoron.
And so it is, but nevertheless, they are being paid.
They should show up for work.
I think this is also a strategy of accountability.
Trump is like, if you're going to get paid, I'm going to make sure you people show up for work.
Now, on a bigger deal, there's an article in Politico.
Trump's DOJ feels like, quote, a wholesale, politically inspired demolition.
And I can't tell you how great it makes me feel to read a headline like that.
I particularly like the word demolition.
I would have expected nothing less.
I've talked myself about taking like a torch or a bulldozer into these departments, the DOJ. Remember, the DOJ is also an umbrella.
It oversees the FBI. It oversees a lot of things under the DOJ. More than a dozen prosecutors who worked on the criminal cases against Trump have been booted.
Excellent news.
My only hesitation there is only a dozen.
I say only a dozen because I know that there were hundreds of people, not only at the DOJ in Washington, D.C., but also at offices around the country, including FBI offices around the country, who worked on these cases.
And worked on these cases enthusiastically, right?
They were told that this was a priority.
This is the way you get a promotion.
This is the way you get a commendation.
This is the way you get a raise.
This is the way you're seen as being on the inside.
You're part of the people doing the cool stuff at the DOJ or the FBI. And now Trump is on the...
You may say that the hunters have become the hunted.
And it's overdue.
Here's a quote from one DOJ career employee.
It feels like a non-violent war.
It's just wild.
Everybody's a sitting duck.
Excellent news.
People are just in a state of shock and devastated.
It's unlike anything I've ever seen.
Nothing like this happened during the first Trump administration.
This is all music to my ears because it tells me that the Trump people this time around, Trump has had enough.
Trump has seen it himself.
Debbie and I were chatting about this and Debbie goes, you know, it happened to him.
And there's nothing that clarifies these things more than you have had direct experience.
Sometimes I've said, I said this in the aftermath of the film Police State, you know, it's hard even if you depict something in the movie and people can see it, they experience it vicariously, but still a little part of them resist it.
They're like, that's not going to happen to me.
Unless you find...
Here are helicopters over your roof.
And unless you see the FBI come smashing through your door, you tend to think that this kind of thing doesn't happen in America.
And if it does happen in America, it happens to people who deserve it.
And even if it happens to some people who don't deserve it, they're not me.
It's not going to happen to me.
It's going to happen to someone else maybe, but not me.
So when this happens to Trump, He gets it in a way that no amount of sort of telling him about it will do.
The DOJ took a blow, apparently, at least the career people, when Trump did all the pardons of the January 6th political prisoners.
But now they've gone further than that.
And this is something that is good to hear.
The DOJ now has asked the January 6th prosecutors to turn over all their files for special review.
In other words, they're looking to see if there were any abuses of power, any breaking of procedures or laws, any ways to go after these people, because if they have broken the law, I mean, these are the people who are the great apostles of no one is above the law, so they can hardly complain if they have broken the law and they now find themselves under indictment, if they find themselves being raided by the FBI, if the tables are now turned on them for what they did.
There's another little detail here that caught my eye and I find quite interesting here.
A number of the senior career officials who, by and large, it's harder to fire career people than it is to fire political appointees.
Political appointees are at the discretion of the president.
And so you're nominated by, you came in under Biden, sorry, Biden's out, you're out.
But for career people, it's harder.
And so what the Trump people are doing is reassigning them.
But where they are reassigning them is what I think is very telling.
A lot of these senior career people are being reassigned to combat sanctuary city policies.
So this is absolutely great.
It's taking these leftists.
Who saw themselves as doing, you know, the Lord's work from their point of view.
I'm going to go after these seditious white supremacists.
I'm going to go after these pro-life activists.
I'm going to teach them all a lesson.
And all of that, of course, is very consistent with their politics.
These are people who, in a sense, were prosecuting their own values.
But now what the Trump people have done is said, all right.
Why don't we see you?
You're supposed to be this career guy, right?
You're supposed to be above politics.
You're supposed not to be partisan.
You're supposed to be just doing your job.
All right.
Well, you know what?
Michelle Wu is the mayor of Boston.
Prosecute her.
You have all these sanctuary cities.
The mayor of Denver says, I'm going to stand.
I'm going to block all the federal officials from being able to do anything about these illegals.
Well, guess what?
To obstruct in that way is to break the law.
Let's indict that guy.
Let's teach these people a lesson.
Let's use your legal talents to go do that.
And if you don't want to do that, we're going to remove you for refusing to follow orders and follow your reassignment.
So these guys have been given 15 days to accept this reassignment or get out of there.
This includes Associate Deputy Attorney General Bradley Weinsheimer, head of the Public Integrity Section, Corey Amundsen.
These are all bad guys.
These are guys who were Part of the Biden fortification.
They were part of the weaponization, if you will, of the DOJ. And these are the people now who are faced with this joint.
I suspect most of them.
I'm going to quit.
And that will be great news.
Because sometimes with these career people, you have to demoralize them.
You have to give them a sense of worthlessness.
You have to show them that they are not important anymore.
No one's going to be listening to them anymore.
Their advice is unimportant.
If you have significant meetings, you don't invite them to them.
And eventually they go home.
They tell their wives, I'm feeling kind of worthless.
And their wives say, well, we've always known you're worthless.
And the guy goes, yeah, but I got a pretty good racket going in the government.
And then your wife tells you, well, that racket seems to be now over.
And so you have time to call up some of your friends and top law firms to find out if you can sneak your way in there, touting your so-called government experience.
The attorneys who were fired were given a pretty clear reason.
And that is this.
We can't trust you to faithfully implement the president's agenda because you've had a significant role in prosecuting this president.
You think that this president is a criminal.
You think that he doesn't belong in the Oval Office.
He belongs behind bars.
How can you be the guy that we rely on to carry out his policies?
Short answer, you can't.
And you can give us all kinds of talk about how people in the Justice Department don't work for the president.
They really work for the American people.
Well, that can be said of any bureaucrat.
I'm in the Department of Education, but I don't really work for the president.
I work for the people.
First of all...
All you have to do is spend a day in Washington, D.C. to realize none of these people work for, quote, the people.
The people are not on their minds for one single second.
These are people who care about their paychecks, their three martini lunches, getting out of the door at 5 p.m.
This is just a looting operation on the taxpayer being carried out by these bureaucrats.
A final observation from this article, the Trump people are taking a bunch of these FBI and DOJ officials, people who have been working on so-called terrorism.
Now, I say so-called terrorism not because I don't believe there is terrorism.
Of course, there is.
But rather, terrorism we know has been used as a pretext.
To go after people like the January 6th defendants.
They're domestic terrorists.
So the problem when you do that is terrorism loses its meaning.
And we don't get so excited about terrorism because we realize that lumped in among the real terrorists are a whole bunch of people that you're targeting, moms who go to school board meetings.
They're potential terrorists.
Everybody who owns a gun is a potential terrorist.
These people go to church.
They're potential terrorists.
These are traditional Catholics.
They're potential terrorists.
Okay, what you've done is you've essentially defined terrorism down.
You have obliterated the true meaning of terrorism.
Guess what?
You're off the terrorism beat.
We're now going to move you to the immigration beat to prosecute illegals.
And again, this is a wonderful tactic because it takes these DOJ guys and says, listen, either you do this...
Or get out of here.
We don't need you to do anything else.
This is your new assignment.
Either accept it and carry it out.
If you don't want to carry it out, there's the door.
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I want to, in this segment, cover two topics.
One is a note of apology by CNN's Chris Silliza.
You might recognize this guy from social media.
He is a leftist, and in fact, he's a pompous ass.
He rarely admits he's wrong, and that's, I think, what makes this thread he posted recently so telling.
I want to hit a couple of highlights here.
He says, number one, the CIA has now admitted that COVID most likely came out of a lab.
And Chris Silliza goes, well, that's not what I've been saying all along.
And I've been bashing Trump for saying it, and I've been bashing others on the right for saying it, but it now looks like they may be right, and I seem to be wrong.
Then he goes on to do the usual kind of self-justification by saying, well, you know, when I saw this debate between Trump and Fauci, I thought that Trump was this reality star and Fauci is this accomplished doctor.
Obviously, Fauci knows what he's talking about.
But then in the next post, he goes, except it now appears that the reality star was right and Fauci was wrong.
And so this is, in fact, an admission of error on the part of chrysalism.
He goes on to say that my belief at the time was that Trump was making it up.
He wanted to blame China for the virus, and so it was more wishful thinking than anything.
But he then goes on to say, it never entered my mind that as president it was possible that Trump had been privy to information not publicly available.
So, this is a little bit of a mea culpa.
Now, a lot of people, if you look at the response to it, are dismissive.
They're like, this guy is such a tool, he's such a hack, he's such a fraud.
And generally, I agree with all this.
This is a kind of admission that is way too little.
It's way too late.
It's way too self-indulgent.
It's way too puffed up.
The guy is, you know, praising himself even while he is apologizing.
Normally, an apology should be short, sweet, and kind of to the point.
I made a mistake.
I was wrong.
I apologize.
I'll try to do better next time.
None of this.
This is the reason why I did get it wrong.
These were the things going through my mind.
There's a lot of that going on here.
But even so, even so, it is so rare to have one of these CNN types, one of these mainline journalists apologize at all that I'm like, you know what?
I do want to commend him for doing it and I'm going to follow the dude.
Just because I think that this kind of journalistic honesty is so infrequent that it deserves to be at least acknowledged and perhaps even rewarded.
Now, let me turn to my other observation.
It involves the Mexican President, Claudia Scheinbaum, who recently makes a statement rebuffing Trump on this issue of tariffs.
And striking out the usual kind of leftist defiant pose.
Now, we've seen this leftist defiant pose with Colombia.
We're seeing it from kind of left-wing governments throughout South America.
They're like, Trump is going to, you know, we're going to teach him a lesson.
And the point that Claudia Scheinbaum makes is she goes, you know, the Mexicans in America are like holding up America.
Almost like the Mexicans are like Atlas in the old, you know, Greek myth.
Atlas is holding the world on his shoulders.
So the Mexicans are holding up America.
America, like, couldn't survive in a bunch of industries, including services, without these Mexicans.
And Debbie and I are reading this, and we're saying to ourselves, well, you're kind of implying that America's success is due to the Mexicans, that you've got these amazing citizens that are the key to understanding why America's doing well.
Well, if this were true, why don't you want it back?
Why can't they be like Atlas holding up the Mexican economy?
Maybe they'll make Mexico more successful than the United States.
Of course, she knows that that's not true.
She doesn't really, apparently, want them back.
She probably knows that.
Now, this is not to say that these people aren't doing, in some cases, useful jobs and things like that.
But I think that the America first question to ask is not, can we find somebody else to do the job?
But why aren't people in America doing these jobs?
Is it really true that Americans can't or won't do these jobs?
Or are you saying something a little different, which is that Americans won't do those jobs at those prices, which is another way of saying that you'd have to pay Americans more to do these jobs.
Now, of course, that would involve prices in certain industries going up, maybe prices of foodstuffs going up, prices in restaurants going up, maybe restaurants would have to start paying.
People, their waitstaff a salary in addition to tips.
So there's a lot of things here that need to be scrutinized.
But I think the point to make about Trump here is that Trump is very serious about all this.
And he is quite willing to use his favorite weapon.
His favorite weapon is tariffs.
And that is, and he doesn't, you know, he's not talking about...
If this were, you know, the Democrats, they would be like, well, let's put a 1%.
No, for Trump, it's usually he goes to 25%, and from 25, he jumps to 50. So it's going to be 25%.
That doesn't work.
You're going to get 50. We have to remember that the United States is, by and large, the world's favorite market.
Most people make money by selling here.
Most countries' economies, particularly the countries surrounding us, Canada to the north, Mexico to the south, are really the countries they are because they're able to sell to the American market.
Remove that and you create a whole different economy in Canada, a whole different economy in Mexico, less successful.
And they all know it.
And their political leaders know it.
And their political leaders know that their own stability is dependent upon that.
That being able to make those sales into the American market.
So Trump knows, you know, I've got a real weapon here.
And again, I've said this before, Trump is not using trade in a sort of, in the sense of creating a trade war.
Economists often talk about why trade wars are bad.
You have tariffs.
I have tariffs.
Essentially, we're both building.
Taller and taller trade walls.
And there are economic bad effects that come out of that.
But this is not what Trump is going for.
He's using tariffs in a different way, as a diplomatic sort of stick.
And sometimes accompanied by some diplomatic carrots.
Like, all right, if you agree, then we can do all kinds of business together.
And we can undertake joint projects and so on.
But the stick here is the threat of tariffs.
And Trump is, as far as I know, unique, at least in my adult lifetime, in using this particular weapon.
And we're going to see pretty soon if it's going to work on a broad scale.
It seems to me like it's working so far.
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Guys, I'm always happy to welcome guests to the podcast, but I cannot tell you how excited I am today.
We have back on the podcast a liberated political prisoner, Bevelyn Beattie-Williams, a buddy of ours, in fact, someone we hold very dear to our heart.
She was also featured in my film, Police State.
But she got 41 months in federal prison for violating the FACE Act.
This is the law passed that was used against pro-lifers.
And in addition to pardoning the January 6th defendants, Trump also pardoned 23 pro-lifers.
So Bevelin is free.
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Bevalyn, oh my gosh, I don't even know what to say.
Crazy.
You gotta tell me your, just tell me your immediate reaction just on walking out of there.
Like, I am still...
Trying to process it, and I know you would get this, like, sometimes I just sit in my bed and I just be like, oh my God, I'm home.
I would just, like, be like, it's still coming in waves.
Like, oh my God, I'm not number 36475510 anymore.
Like, I don't have to get up for count at 10. I don't have to be locked down at 330. Like, I'm free.
I'm just like, it's so surreal to see my daughter when she saw me.
The camera didn't even get that.
She was kicking.
She was trying to get out of Ricky's arms.
She was trying to jump out of his arms to get to me.
She was so happy to see me and just to be able to cuddle with her again.
Oh, my God.
I'm beyond.
I'm elated.
Beverly, what an experience and what a thing to go through.
Let's talk about how you even found out about the pardon.
First of all, you know, Trump had said on the campaign trail, I'm going to get these January 6 hostages out.
As far as I know, he didn't make a specific promise to free the pro-life, the pro-life political prisoners.
Did you expect to get the pardon pretty much right away?
And how did you find out about it?
Well, yeah, I did find out about it through his campaign trial.
He was saying, I'm going to situate this thing on day one.
So I assumed he would be pardoning all the pro-lifers day one.
Because he did express how egregious it was for us to be even charged in the first place.
He felt like that was too far.
So I never doubted that he would pardon me.
My only question was when.
And he kind of came...
In the office shooting.
Like, he was shooting out bazookas.
He's signing 240 orders.
He's, you know, to pardon 1,500 people in one morning.
That's the amount of paperwork that is.
I can't imagine what his team is dealing with.
I'm sure they're still doing paperwork for that now.
You know what I mean?
So, he kind of came with a heavy load.
I did expect to be pardoned, though, that night.
And when I wasn't, I kind of started to freak out.
I'm not going to lie.
You got to understand, when we were locked up, the J6ers and the pro-lifers, we stuck together.
Because when you have another J6er in prison with you, we are of the same cloth.
We are of the same belief.
And so, for me, we always, you know, we didn't stay in the same units, but we always would see each other.
Hey, how you doing?
And whenever we got time to be on the rec or any social thing they would do, we were together.
You know what I mean?
Because we were in this together.
Like, a lot of the women in prison didn't really want Trump to win.
And so a lot of them were feminists.
Makes no sense.
But, you know, so we had our crew of just us with the same values, same beliefs.
So when I woke up on the 21st and saw that Audrey, my friend, had left that night, Dinesha was devastated.
I was like, wow, oh my gosh.
I started to think, like, am I really stuck in this freedom?
Like, how long?
How long?
Like, I just, I really being there.
It started to become a drain on me.
And I was like, Lord, how long?
So finally, for the next two days after Audrey was released, I didn't watch the news.
I kind of felt depressed a little bit.
I was like, discouraged.
Let me say that.
I felt discouraged.
So by the 23rd, I get up and I hear this whisper.
I hear, you're going to get out today.
But I didn't really know how to take it because I had experienced like three years of just hardships.
Yeah, and who whispered that to you?
Was it a fellow person in prison, or was it one of the guards?
Who told you that?
It was the Holy Spirit.
Oh, I see.
Yes, it was like a whisper, like, out of nowhere.
I'm sitting on my bed, and I just hear, and I'm like, I'm not banking on that.
Like, I just, I can't afford it.
Emotionally, for me to be able to be in prison, I can't afford it.
So, but I received, I didn't, I didn't reject it.
But I didn't really be like, oh yeah, I'm going home today.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.
So, I hear the doors pop.
You know, the locks pop at 6 o'clock in the morning.
I hear the lock pop.
So, I run and I go put my chair in the TV room.
And I'm like, okay, I'm going to claim the TV today.
And I put it on Fox News.
I come back.
I take a little quick nap.
Then I get up.
I take a shower.
And the crazy thing, it was a weekday, right?
But it was so chill.
Usually on weekdays, you need to be up, dressed, your bed made by 7 in the morning.
You know what I mean?
And so on a week day for people to be sleeping in, not in uniform, it was kind of weird.
And I was like, today just feels so still and quiet and peaceful.
So I decided, you know what?
I don't care.
I'm going to put my grades on.
I'm going to wear my comfortable clothes.
I'm not wearing my uniform.
I'm going to go in the TV room and watch TV. So I'm watching the news.
I'm watching him address the World Economic Forum.
I'm watching him talk about ICE and what's going on in Boston and the people that they're rounding up there.
And then I decided to call my husband.
I called him just to check in, and he's telling me, like, babe, listen, you're buzzing on Twitter right now.
Charlie Kirk just retweeted you, and he's like, listen, he's saying that you guys are about to get an apartment.
Like, it's about to happen.
It's imminent.
And so I'm thinking tomorrow, because it's Thursday, I'm thinking, okay, maybe he'll do it tomorrow for the March for Life, something like that.
I didn't expect him to do it right now, but I said, okay, get word back, babe, and I'll call you later.
I get back in the TV room, and next thing I see, breaking news!
Trump to sign executive orders.
So now, I'm sitting there watching.
He does the first two orders.
I don't even remember them at this point.
And the next thing he says, so what's this order coming up?
And the guy's like, yeah, well, this is the pro-lifers who were unjustly persecuted.
He said, how many of them?
23. He said, yeah, it shouldn't have never happened.
That's all I hear.
Once I hear that, I'm screaming.
I'm like, wait, no.
He's off Sonic.
He's off Sonic.
Right now, he's off Sonic.
So I'm like, my friend's sitting with me.
I'm like grabbing her.
I'm shaking.
I'm like, he's off Sonic.
My little Amish friend.
I'm like shaking the living daylights out of this woman.
I'm like, he's off Sonic.
So then now, finally, all I hear is, I'm like, I'm praising God.
So then I called my husband.
I'm like, babe, don't get me.
He's like, babe, I'm already back.
I'm coming right now.
Don't get me.
He couldn't wait.
He waited out in that parking lot for three hours.
And they released me around 11 o'clock at night.
But man, I was like, oh my God.
I'm going home.
So that's what happened.
And I mean...
What a reunion with your daughter.
I mean, that was so exciting.
That emotion must have really been something I'm almost impossible to describe.
Have you ever been in so much shock that you don't even know how to react emotionally?
You don't know whether to cry.
You just don't know what to do.
You're in shock.
You're still trying to...
Is this really happening?
I'm going to be honest with you, for the last five days, my mind has been trying to register that this really happened.
I don't even understand the severity or the majorness of what happened.
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around it.
Think about this, Pevlin.
I want to make a point, which is that when I think about my own case and I think about even the January 6th guys, There's a big difference between our cases and your case, and here's why.
I actually, I was politically targeted, but I shouldn't have made that donation, you know?
The January 6th guys were over-prosecuted, but they shouldn't have gone in the Capitol.
You, in a sense, were truly locked up for your convictions.
There's nothing that you did that I'm aware of that you shouldn't have done.
You did the right thing and they went after you for it and they locked you up.
And think about the difference that this election made.
I mean, look, had Kamala Harris won, I mean, you would have spent pretty much the bulk of her term locked up.
I mean, isn't it almost unimaginable to think that that election outcome made all the difference and...
You know, it made a difference in how long did you end up being incarcerated?
Was it about a few months?
Three months and some change.
I think about three months, maybe five days.
Three months and eight days.
Long enough.
This is the thing.
Too long.
Too long.
But this is the thing.
This is the reality.
If Kamala would have had one, not only would I have done my full time, she would have brought new charges on me.
She would have found something else.
They would have, first of all, if Trump didn't win, the man would have had to lead the country.
He would have been as good as dead.
He would have been a dead man walking.
And I know what I'm saying seems so strong, but I think the American people can get it now.
Like, nah, these people are vicious.
They want blood.
I'm going to tell you how vicious it was.
I'm watching the election.
I see that Trump won.
I woke up that morning.
He won.
I'm praising God.
But to see how Biden exited.
To watch how I would be in the TV room and I'm watching he gave some Freedom Prize to George Soros and Hillary Clinton.
And I'm like, this man is crazy.
He's crazy.
I'm like, he's coming out.
It was like he was coming out of the closet.
I'm a communist.
We've been communists the whole time.
That's what he basically told the country.
Before he left office, he literally exposed that he's a full-on communist and he's been one the whole time.
So for me, it was just like, Oh my God!
Had these people had not gotten out, they would have never gotten out.
We would have been done.
That is just so scary.
And like you say, you know, first of all, he pardons Hunter.
That's kind of a clue right there.
Then he pardons, you know, Fauci.
I mean, he's pardoning all these people who haven't been charged.
That hasn't been charged!
Right.
That's right!
And then, did you know that his pardon of his own family members, his brother James Biden, the other brother, the son-in-law, that was done apparently 15 minutes, 15 minutes before he left office.
Correct.
At the very last minute.
Wow.
Guys, let's take a break.
We'll be right back with Bevelyn Beattie-Williams.
I'm back with our friend, Bevelyn Beattie-Williams.
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Bevelin, talk about, let's flashback to a less pleasant time, which was, of course, your sentencing and then the early days of incarceration.
I mean, this was a...
Preposterous sentence of 41 months.
Talk about your feelings when you were in court and that happened and the demeanor of the judge.
How did all that go down?
Well, you know, Tanish, people don't realize it.
And maybe as I interview with other people, they'll learn and maybe more stuff will come out about this case.
But, like, I suffered severe humiliation.
Like, I was mocked for my faith.
When the judge, you know, I was asked to speak to the judge, which I expressed to her that I had had three abortions myself and that I was a Christian and Jesus saved my life and I just wanted to be that voice for others.
And I also said to her, I said, listen, y'all women's rights.
Y'all paint this road that a woman can do whatever they want.
Yet you're ready to throw them in prison and make them pay the price for suffering from a broken heart.
Obviously, the broken hearted behavior comes from decisions like that.
You tell them to do it, but then you send them.
You don't.
I mean, prison is nothing but a garbage can.
It's a societal garbage can.
That's who you throw away when you just don't want to deal with them no more.
And you don't get rehabilitated like that in prison.
That's just the truth.
So, as I was talking to her and saying that, I felt like if I had been the If I was a person that you wanted me to be, dancing around half naked, jubiling a ball, playing sports, and promoting your politicians, you would have loved me.
If I was actually a real criminal, you would have patted me on my hand.
But because I am coming against y'all agenda, I'm a Negro out of line.
I'm not fitting the bill.
And so I said to her very powerful stuff, but she had even mentioned, she said, you know, I see that you...
Have these letters and all the support.
I understand you have a two-year-old daughter.
Mind you, my lawyer was asking for, like, any type of anything.
She said no.
She didn't care that I was a mother.
She didn't care that I had a two-year-old.
She was like, listen, all these letters coming in, it looked like you got enough support, so you'll be fine.
You're young.
You'll get over it.
And then she said, I'm sending you to 41 months.
Instead, I'm making an example out of you.
I said, mocking me.
It was so devastating.
The humiliation that I've had to face, I'm over it, but it will never not hurt.
Like, that stuff hurt.
And of course, you know, as soon as I left the courthouse, I called you and your wife, and I called your wife, Debbie, and I'm crying, crying, crying.
And, you know, you guys are upset and trying to get the ball rolling with me to help me out and whatever, but...
I mean, even that night afterwards, all I could do was just, I couldn't get out of the bed.
I couldn't stop crying.
I couldn't have a conversation without crying.
I was just a bunch of tears just flowing.
I was so heartbroken at that behavior.
And then when I went to prison, I was strong.
I wasn't as much of a crybaby.
But I would wake up in shock.
I was constantly in shock.
I would wake up and my heart was skipping.
You know, have you ever had a loss in the family?
Like when my dad died.
For, like, the next six months, I woke up like, oh, I'm really gone.
That's how I woke up the entire time.
Like, oh, I'm really in prison.
Like, it just, I never got used to it.
The Lord made me comfortable.
I was able to maneuver, but I never got used to being in prison.
Never.
Well, and the other thing about it, Bevelin, is, you know, it's one thing to be there, and you're there, and you keep asking yourself, What did you do to deserve these 41 months?
In other words, prison is there for people who do things that warrant these extreme forms of punishment.
And like you say, there are people who do really barbaric things that harm other people in all kinds of ways.
And they get much milder sentences, if at all.
And so here you are.
You know, locked up like this, your family or your two-year-old daughter.
And then just that, just 41 months is just a lot.
I mean, I say this because I had eight months of the overnight confinement.
And I think about the middle of it.
And remember, I'm only going in at night.
I'm free in the day.
I go home.
I go to work.
And so I'm checking in at night and I get out in the morning.
And yet about halfway through, I kind of began to feel the weight of it.
Like, ugh, I've got another four months to go.
This is not going to go very fast.
And this was particularly right around the holiday time.
But 41 months is something to me almost unimaginable.
And was it just your fate that got you through?
How did you hang in there?
Man, most of my prayers were for peace.
And for shalom.
I prayed constantly to God to keep me from breaking down and just to keep me spiritually strong.
And also, the fuel was that I knew it was a mission in jail.
I ministered to a lot of women in jail.
I know of one.
I could count one on my finger that really did give her life to Christ.
Now, the others, I find out in heaven.
So there was a lot of ministry, a lot of listening, a lot of talking to people.
I was always busy in jail.
I never really had time to myself because you have a bunkie that you're talking to.
My bunkie was a prostitute and she was 13 years old.
She told me a lot of stuff that she went through and she went through some stuff.
And by me being a listening ear to her, it opened up an opportunity for me to minister to her because I listened to her.
She was willing to listen to me.
I allow the work of it all and the mission of it all to keep me and to realize, you know, I want an assignment from God, even in his prison.
But I didn't realize that this was bigger than just an assignment from God.
Culturally speaking, I was shifting the paradigm.
My situation was exposing...
The Democrat Party.
It was exposing Biden.
It was exposing all of their agendas.
It was telling, listen, these are communists.
These are not even Democrats at this point.
And they want our heads.
They're ruthless people that want our heads.
Period.
And so I feel like all of that being bigger than me kept me.
Yeah.
It's interesting.
I just saw an article in Political this morning.
And it says that there is panic in the DOJ because the Trump people are going in kind of like with a bulldozer and they are firing people right and left and reassigning them.
And this part I think you'll find particularly amusing.
They're taking some of these DOJ prosecutors who went over people like you, went after people like you and the January 6th people.
And they're now kind of saying that your job is now to prosecute the democratic officials of these sanctuary cities.
So these prosecutors are going to have an interesting task of either doing that or saying I won't do it and quitting or being fired.
This is not...
This is hardly justice because those people, some of them, I think, deserve to be locked up.
But at the very least, it is at least some measure of karma.
Wouldn't you say?
Looking at all this stuff happening, we can take a little bit of satisfaction that at least some of these guys are being held accountable in small ways.
Right.
I think that, like you said, in a small way.
But I'm waiting for the word to get out that there's audits going on.
Like, real audits happening.
And paper trails being followed all the way back some years.
Because I think there's so many skeletons of people like me and you that they've done this to.
But it just never, it wasn't the season to be on a public scale.
But they've been doing this for a while.
This is nothing new.
Me and you were just a scapegoat.
But they have been doing stuff like this to people for a very long time.
And so...
I'm excited for that, but I'm also excited to see how they handle these cases.
Are you going to be more lenient?
Are you going to flake on doing your job?
Are you willing to quit for something like that while you have real innocent people being persecuted?
What type of character are you right now?
And were you ever really for the job and for your position and for the people?
Or were you always in it for yourself and your views?
And I think that's what is going to be coming out.
You know, and I'm excited to see how Trump, Trump has a new attitude.
He's a whole different, this time around, homie done been through some things.
He done been through too much.
He like a, he like a black mama who just fed up.
And she done been through too much.
And she like, I ain't playing with none of y'all no more.
That is Trump all day all night.
He ain't playing with nobody.
The way he did Columbia for me was hilarious.
I laughed.
I'm like, oh my God, these people about to pack up their embassy if they don't take these immigrants.
He's not playing with them.
And it's like he's warranting respect.
This is the type of justice that should have been in our government from the beginning.
This is what made America respected.
And that's what's coming back.
He's bringing that back.
So I'm excited.
This is awesome stuff.
Well, Bevelyn, we are so excited that you're out.
This is so wonderful, and I'm sure you're enjoying some much-needed time with the family.
Yes.
And you look very radiant, and you look great.
Thank you!
So you've held up really well, and it's just a thrill to see you again.
Guys, I've been talking to Bevelyn B.D. Williams.
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Bevelyn, let's do it again.
Good talking to you.
I smell a movie coming on.
There should be, right?
Right?
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