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KING OF THE WORLD Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1009
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Thank you.
Coming up, Trump is king of the world.
I'll illustrate this point by looking at the way that Trump is handling the dispute over illegals with the president of Colombia.
Political commentator Jack Posobiec, editor of Human Events, joins me.
We're going to talk about the Trump assassination and the impact of that attempt on what Trump is doing now.
Also about some of the controversial cabinet nominations that are in the slot for this week.
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Today's episode of the podcast is somewhat amusingly called King of the World.
And if you want to have a chuckle, take a look at Debbie's thumbnail for today's podcast.
Trump is really riding high, and he's riding high not just on the domestic front, but also on the international front.
Look at the blizzard of actions on the domestic front, from border security to the 200 or so executive orders, the pardons extended far and wide January 6th, the FACE Act.
And Trump is also cooking on the policy front.
He's working closely with Mike Johnson at the House and Thune in the Senate, not to mention the cabinet nominees lining up and I think going to be getting through one by one.
So this is a level of presidential vigor that is not only a sharp contrast to Biden, but I think pretty much unprecedented in And then on the international front, look at the way in which Trump is opening up areas that you wouldn't even expect.
I mean, you would expect him to talk about, look, I want to bring the Ukraine war to an end.
And so he posts about why it's in Russia's interest also to do that and how there's going to be quick action to try to make that happen.
Trump was instrumental in the ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas, a deal that had to be negotiated through third parties.
And although it happened under Biden, and some of the actual provisions of the deal were carved out by Biden, but Biden couldn't get it done.
That's the point.
It took Trump to carry this to completion.
And now, look at the way in which the United States is dispatching criminal illegals back to their own countries.
This is happening.
This has started.
It's underway.
It's only going to expand rapidly.
In the words of Tom Homan, and it's not just going to be confined to criminals.
Well, or to put it somewhat differently, all illegals are criminals.
Why?
Because all illegals, by being illegal, have broken the law.
So the question is not, is this illegal a criminal?
Yes, the answer is yes.
It is what degree of criminality are we talking about?
Are we talking about merely breaking the law by coming across the border?
Or the fact that you're also a gang member and you also sell drugs and you've also engaged in child trafficking, so there's crime upon crime upon crime.
But there's no such thing as an illegal who hasn't broken the law.
That's a point to keep in mind.
So Trump dispatches some illegals from Colombia.
Debbie says, be careful, don't say Colombia, otherwise people will think it's Columbia University.
Colombia.
They're sent back to Colombia, and apparently the flights are blocked by the Colombian authorities.
And so Trump galvanized into action, basically says, look, the socialist president over there, Gustavo Petro, Well, I mean, if you're sending over criminals and bad guys, I can see why you don't want them back.
But Trump's point is you have to take them.
They're yours.
They're your citizens.
They're not our citizens.
They're here in an unauthorized way.
Even if...
The previous administration kind of did a wink-wink and looked the other way.
Trump goes, 25% tariffs, and if your policies don't change, they will become 50%.
Travel bans, visa revocations, sanctions on party members, and he goes, these measures are just the beginning.
Now, the Colombian president immediately reacts to this in a very pompous and arrogant way.
Basically, he has a long post on X. I don't even need to read all of it.
But the essential, very sarcastic, it's like, don't worry, Trump.
I don't want to come to America.
It's so boring over there.
He goes on to say, you know, things like, I like Walt Whitman and Paul Simon and Noam Chomsky.
Trying to reveal a certain type of sophistication.
He goes on to say, basically, I'm a tough guy.
Quote, if you know someone who's stubborn, that's me, period.
You can't do anything.
He goes, even if you try to kill me, we have a history of fighting against oppressors, blah, blah, blah.
And the left was actually cheering this guy on.
And not only cheering this guy on, but going on to say, Why?
Really, the answer can be summarized in two words.
One is coffee, and the other is flowers.
I guess we do import some coffee from Colombia.
In fact...
Wasn't there that ad that you and I chuckle at, honey?
Juan Valdez.
It looks like we're buying our coffee from this guy, Juan Valdez, who is out there in the coffee fields.
So we do import some Colombian coffee, but hey, guess what?
There's plenty of good coffee that's made all over the world.
El Salvador makes some pretty good coffee.
And there's very good coffee that's made in African countries as well.
What's that?
Guatemala makes really good coffee.
Well, our friend, one of the investors in one of our movies has a coffee company in Africa.
He goes down there all the time and he sent us samples of the coffee.
Absolutely delicious.
So here's the point.
If you don't buy it from here, you can buy it from over there.
The coffee market, these other countries will be very eager to sell more coffee.
So that's really not a problem.
But the most important thing is this.
Who depends more on who?
Does the United States depend more on Colombia?
Well, the left thinks so.
They're like, see, you guys who voted for Trump are real suckers.
Valentine's Day is coming up February 14th, and we get our flowers from Colombia.
This shows you the level of persuasive power that exists on the other side.
It's very, very low.
And I can kind of understand a little bit why those guys were so eager to censor us.
You know, classify everything we said as disinformation, misinformation.
And the short answer is because they know.
In some level, they realize that they're stupid.
And their arguments don't really hold up.
And this is the best they got.
As if we're going to be deterred in enforcing immigration laws because of the price of flowers and or coffee.
It's just foolishness.
What's more valuable?
Paying five cents more for coffee or the life of Lake and Riley and all the others who have been victimized by these criminal illegals?
So the left, however, their motive is to stop Trump in his tracks.
And that's why they're doing this kind of stuff.
And so it was to the utter embarrassment that literally three hours later, the Colombian president retracts, changes his mind, gives in.
He agrees to Trump's terms, says that he will accommodate, take these guys back.
I think he even said something about using the presidential plane.
Now look, I'm not sure if this is really over, if there's going to be some more back and forth over it, but this is an indication that we have a president in the saddle very different than Biden.
This is not somebody who's going to say, oh, I want to send these illegals back, but guess what?
These countries aren't going to take them, so that's it.
I'm now in a bind.
I don't know what to do.
No.
Trump's idea is, and again, people keep saying when we talk about these tariffs that Trump is somehow against trade.
Look, he's trying to use tariffs.
Notice how tariffs are being used here, not for, you may say, the conventional purpose of tariffs.
When you look at the economics textbooks, we think of tariffs as beginning a trade war.
I won't sell to you.
You won't sell to me.
Trump is using these as a kind of diplomatic...
A diplomatic bludgeon.
A diplomatic battering ram.
As if to say, if you don't close the border on your side, Mexico, you're going to get some tariffs.
If you won't take back your own illegals, you're going to get some tariffs, Colombia.
So this is Trump using negotiating leverage on the global scale and proving that he, in a manner that is characteristic of Trump, he knows how to do it.
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Guys, I'm delighted to welcome back to the podcast the one and only Jack Posobiec, Senior Editor of Human Events.
You know Jack, he really doesn't need an introduction.
You can follow him on x at Jack Posobiec.
The website, humanevents.com, and the book, the new book, Bulletproof, The Truth About the Assassination Attempts on Donald Trump.
Jack, you know, we...
We didn't see a whole lot of media coverage of the assassination attempts, even when they happened.
There was a kind of quick desire to report this, but then move on.
And it's rarely brought up today.
And yet, as your book indicates, this, I think, was highly significant.
Not simply, of course, in keeping Donald Trump alive so that he could win the election, but perhaps even in shaping...
I don't know if the character of Trump is the right way to put it, but shaping the kind of...
Momentum and attitude of Trump in this second term that appears to have started with a bang, if I can put it that way.
Do you agree with this?
Talk about the psychological impact of the assassination attempt or attempts on Trump and on his conduct.
Well, Dinesh, thank you so much again for having me on.
And when we put pen to paper or fingers to keys, as it is these days, on that assassination attempt, even the first one, my co-author Joshua Lysak and I actually started writing this even before he had left the hospital because we knew that something monumentous had taken place and we weren't sure.
We didn't have a book deal or anything at the time.
And we just said we have to put this on the paper because if we don't tell this story...
Then it already is not going to be told.
And we knew in the initial minutes of this, because you can go back to CNN and MSNBC, as you mentioned, not only did they not cover it, they lied about it in the first minutes and hours, telling us, remember the CNN headline, Donald Trump falls on stage in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Donald Trump falls as if as if he had collapsed playing into this idea that he projection, of course, that he was the one who had these health issues and not Joe Biden, who had just been rushed and whisked from an event in Las Vegas only days before.
Another event, by the way, that's been completely overshadowed and by history, though, something that clearly led to him dropping out of the race or should I say being pulled out of the race by his own party.
CNN as well, when the second assassination attempt took place was trying to tell us that, oh, there were gunshots heard near the golf course or near to where Donald Trump was golfing.
Yes, there were gunshots that were heard near to where Donald Trump was golfing.
It was gunshots from a Secret Service agent firing at a would-be assassin who had received some type of training or experience and techniques from the Ukrainian foreign fighters that he had been associated with before traveling back to West Palm Beach, Florida.
So to answer your question, President Trump, and I've had the opportunity to speak with him about this a little bit about the book, and I've also had time to see him.
Of course, we've seen the last few days have been, it's nothing like the first term.
It's nothing like the first term at all.
And he even said in the Capitol Rotunda there during his inauguration that he believes that his life was saved for a purpose.
And he believes that that purpose was to do the things that he is doing now.
And I remember there's a scene that we talk about in the book, Bulletproof, where he's delivering, and I was in the room when he did this, he's delivering the speech at the RNC back in Milwaukee, only, even mine, that was only days after surviving this attempt.
And we've a lot of exclusive reporting behind the scenes about the machinations that had gone into there.
He appoints J.D. Vance as the vice president just a day after surviving.
This would-be assassin's bullet, a clearly miraculous attempt.
But then he does something in that speech in Milwaukee that he doesn't normally do.
I've never seen him do this before.
So he says to the crowd, you know, I wasn't supposed to be here.
And then the crowd starts chanting, yes, you were, yes, you were, yes, you were.
And then...
He stops and corrects the crowd.
He disagrees with MAGA. He disagrees with his own supporters.
You never see Trump do this.
You never, ever see him do this before.
He says, no, I was not supposed to be here, but I believe that that bullet was going to hit me, but I was saved by the grace of God himself.
And as we all know, Donald Trump is many things, but...
Having that direct credibility, having that direct authenticity, speaking directly to God, speaking directly from God, this isn't a type of Trump that we've seen before.
This isn't the Trump, certainly, of the 80s and 90s when he's across the tabloids and his relationships are playing out, the playboy lifestyle that he once had.
Perhaps something changed in him, and that's actually why we used the cover that we did.
It's not the picture of Trump with his fist raised that we all have seen.
We actually used the picture of Trump lowered.
He asked me, he said, Jack, why did you choose that cover?
I think he was even a little surprised.
And I said, well, we've never seen you like this before, Mr. President.
We've never seen you on the ground, on your knees, with your hands clasped in public as if, and I think to any believer out there, as if in prayer.
And I believe that's the moment truly that I believe this.
And I think Trump believes this as well, that God spoke to him in that moment and said, Donald, this is not your time.
You are being saved for a greater purpose.
And I believe that purpose is what we're seeing now.
You know, in the conversation I had with Trump for vindicating Trump, the film, he...
came to the same conclusion, but by a slightly different route that I think you'll find just as fascinating and interesting.
It's almost like a little bit of Christian apologetics from Donald Trump, if you can believe it.
Now, you mentioned a moment ago, and I agree completely, this sort of rhetoric, which came naturally, for example, to Bush, it came somewhat naturally to Reagan.
Reagan was a little whimsical about God.
He'd be like the man upstairs and things like that.
But nevertheless, Reagan did have a sort of natural religiosity.
Trump This is something quite new.
And in discussing the assassination, what Trump does is he basically starts running a casino model of the probability of his survival.
Right, right.
Think of it.
He's a casino guy, Atlantic City, Las Vegas.
He knows improbability.
And it's one thing to say that something is improbable.
I mean, what's the chance that you get seven heads in a row?
For example, if you toss a coin, it's not that high.
But this is a level of improbability of a completely different dimension because apparently...
Trump's head had to be in exactly the spot that it was for the bullet to graze him.
Pretty much any other location, even by a fractional movement of his head, and the guy wouldn't be here.
So I think when you reflect upon that, you realize that you're not talking about a normal coincidence.
You are talking about miraculous levels of improbability.
And I think that has given Trump some genuine...
Theological pause, if you will.
But what you're saying, Jack, is that we're seeing the fruits of that.
That this animated, energetic, no-holes-barred Trump that we're seeing now is the fruit, the result of this epical event.
That's exactly right.
That's the millimeter miracle, as some have dubbed it.
In fact, one other thing that we look up in probability in terms of the book is we...
Go through what we call the 12 independent security failures that took place in Butler.
And then we asked, we actually went into GPT-4, which at the time was the most powerful AI that was available.
I don't know, perhaps the stock market guys are telling me the Chinese model is better now, but I haven't tested that yet.
But we went into it, we put in the probabilities, and we said, okay.
Twelve independent security failures, any one of which, which we identified, would have stopped the would-be assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks, the drone, the Secret Service perimeter, so many things that we plug into this.
And then, what is the probability of that all occurring on the same day that a trained marksman with malicious intent would attempt to kill Donald Trump in the manner that we're now describing?
The answer that the AI gave us back was one in one septillion, which would be about the same as going back to the casino model, the same as you or I flipping a coin 95 times in a row and it always coming up heads each time.
Now, if Jack Posobiec or Dinesh D'Souza did that in a casino, we'd probably be arrested because they would know we were cheating.
But of course, somehow this takes place in Butler, Pennsylvania, and we're told that it's just a coincidence and it's just by chance.
We then went a step further and we asked AI, could this have happened by chance?
AI responded to us in a very sinister and ominous response.
It said, given the high level of unlikelihood of the probability of this occurring naturally, then it is far more likely that it did not occur by chance alone.
So would you say, Jack, then taking that in full seriousness, That what really happened in Butler was that you did have a lone assassin, perhaps, but that there were certainly at least some people in authority that either knew about this or looked the other way with a certain kind of deliberate carelessness.
In other words, that there has to be more to it than just one...
At this point, the best way that we put it and the way we describe it in the book is a form of intentional neglect, intentional negligence.
The idea being Joe Biden is right down the road in the same area of responsibility, the AOR, area of operations, as Pittsburgh.
Just outside of Pittsburgh where Butler is.
And yet she's given 14 Secret Service agents for an indoor dinner fundraiser that she's having for the campaign.
Remember, Biden's still the nominee at this point.
Whereas President Trump is delivering his speech outdoors.
In the middle of the day, in a field, one of the most potentially fatal events that any president or presidential candidate can do.
And of course, we all remember Dealey Plaza, JFK, 1963. So we all remember and all know indelibly that this is the most potentially fatal or potentially dangerous thing that a candidate can do.
And yet they only ascribe him to extra secret service agents.
And it comes out later that the lead in the lead agent was actually a Secret Service agent, 1811, who had only been on the force for about three years since graduating from Fleti down in Brunswick, Georgia, the training course that they have for all federal agents.
And so this led to serious questions about why these decisions were made by the now former and former acting Secret Service directors, Kim Reynolds, as well as Ryan and Ryan.
The second individual who was there.
And not Ryan Routh.
He was the other one.
But the question, of course, becomes, why was it that these inexperienced agents were put up there?
In fact, even the drone operator didn't know how to operate the drone that day.
He spent five hours on customer support waiting for them to answer him on the 1-800 number, whereas Thomas Matthew Crooks' drone, we know, flew without incident.
Hours prior to President Trump taking the stage that day was completely undetected and right under the nose of five separate law enforcement agencies that had been scheduled there.
To maintain the perimeter as well as the president's security and the security of the crowd, I might add, one of whom, tragically, as we know, lost his life, named Corey Campatore.
And so when I look to later this week, of course, the nomination of Kash Patel comes in as FBI director, Pam Bondi also coming up for a vote as attorney general.
This book, Bulletproof, actually becomes the blueprint, if you will, For a potential roadmap of investigations that really need to take place, because not only does President Trump need this kind of accountability, all presidential candidates need this type of accountability going forward.
This is a nonpartisan issue.
But also, Cory Campatore and his family, his wife and daughters, which I had the honor of meeting at the second Butler rally, very briefly, they deserve answers for why their father was not able to come home with them that day.
Absolutely.
We'll be right back with Jack Posobiec.
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It's D-I-N-E-S-H, Dinesh.
I'm back with Jack Posobiec, Senior Editor of Human Events.
Follow him on X at Jack Posobiec, the website humanevents.com, the book.
We've been talking about Bulletproof, the truth about the assassination attempts on Donald Trump.
Jack, this is a big week for cabinet nominations.
I'm not sure if Tulsi Gabbard is up this week, but she's certainly in the lineup.
Yes, she is up this week.
All right.
And then we have the Pam Bondi vote.
Kash Patel, I think we all know, is going to be the one that the Democrats are going to really try to.
They're going to really try to zing him.
And what is your sense?
I mean, Trump so far has done well on the nomination front after the Matt Gaetz pullout.
He's got headset through, albeit narrowly.
What is your sense about what's going to happen this week?
And are any of these nominations in trouble?
Well, thanks, Dinesh.
And also, what I would add is RFK Jr. comes up on Wednesday.
I think that RFK, Tulsi, and Cash, I think we all know that those are the three that currently maintain the highest level of attention on, shall we say, the deep state radar, the old consensus, old guard, bipartisan consensus radar.
That's why Pete Hegseth only got 50 votes and J.D. Vance had to come in as the tiebreaker.
Because these are actual change agents coming into Washington, D.C. The
military-industrial complex does not want anyone like that to ever have political power.
That's precisely why President Trump has put them there.
Now, with RFK Jr. I love the Maha movement.
One thought about Tulsi before he moved to RFK, which is she's also been on the receiving end of the police state sort of no travel list, right?
In other words, she's been...
She has been flagged as a security threat herself.
I mean, think about the insanity of that.
And Department of Homeland Security apparently had her on a kind of a surveillance list.
So she knows what these people are capable of.
And that's, as you say, they don't want someone like that.
No, they don't want someone who has that, who has had that experience as well as understanding the abuses of the system.
And this Tulsi Gabbard is a currently serving lieutenant colonel in the Army Reserve.
So Lieutenant Colonel Pivet, it's an 05.
That is not a, that is not low rank in any way, the way they're trying to claim.
Actually, for astute observers of the president's cabinet, Tulsi Gabbard technically would outrank Pete Hegseth if they were both in uniform.
He's only, he's an 04, she's an 05.
I believe he got out, I'm not sure.
But point being is, these are, these are people with, Real-world experience, not Washington, D.C. Beltway insider experience.
Then, I suppose that's a good segue over to Kash Patel, and you already mentioned he's someone that the FBI does not want to.
Look, we know what Kash Patel did when he was on the House Intelligence Committee.
Digging into Russiagate, digging into the origins, the abuses of the FBI. He's also someone who, I admit, I didn't even know this about Cash until I was getting to know his record a little bit better.
He spent 10 years as a public defender.
So defending people who had been accused of crimes, many of whom both at the state level and the federal level, not anything that you'd know about, Dinesh, falsely accused of crimes even at the federal level, and he spent a decade defending people like that against government abuses.
Then he became a lawyer for the Department of Justice under, believe it or not, the Obama administration, going after criminals, going after terrorists, going after some of the worst of the worst, even at one point receiving a commendation from the Obama Department of Justice.
And now, of course, they want to turn around and say that he's some sort of Trump loyalist, when in fact it was the Obama administration that even gave him an award.
Dinesh, I know you're a huge fan of the Obama Department of Justice, of course.
And so putting him in charge of the FBI, I think, is a breath of fresh air to everyone, to an understanding of that.
That organization, that institution needs a complete reform from the top down and understanding of what went wrong, what they do get right, and how to separate the two out.
And Kash Patel is absolutely the man to do that.
That's why they don't like him.
It's not because he doesn't have the resume.
It's because he's not a company man.
He's willing to actually do the right thing for the people.
Do you think, Jack, I mean, we've heard Tulsi, we've heard RFK, we've heard Cash.
I mean, these are people of...
Not only high intelligence, but people who can talk circles around the other side.
Cash's depth of knowledge on the details of things is actually kind of awe-inspiring.
I mean, he remembers, you know, he remembers the names of the 51 intelligence officials and what their positions were and how the letter got started and who sent it out to who to be signed.
In other words, he's got chapter and verse.
And I find the same thing in listening to RFK. That this guy has a knowledge at a depth that I have a feeling that this is going to be kind of a treat to watch.
In other words, these people are going to make mincemeat of these Democratic senators who, by and large, as you know, are going to be handed a list of questions which they will then pompously recite one after the other.
I don't think that they quite know what they're dealing with.
Actually, it's a great point you mention that because this came up with Scott Bessent as well when he was up as the Secretary of Treasury nominee, when he clearly just knew more than the senators who were asking him the questions.
And he's explaining to them how the bond market works and how Treasury bills work and how debt works and debt financing and all of these things.
You learn this, and I spent time at a little bit of time about a year at Guantanamo Bay, and I worked in the interrogation cell, and you also hear this from lawyers as well, that when you come up with a questioning plan, when you come up with a plan to ask someone something, that you also need to be able to react to the things that they're saying.
So, to your point, if a staffer is coming up with your questions, you need to be prepared for anything that they are going to say back, because if they go over and outside of what you're called...
We would call it your knowledge base.
If they go outside that knowledge base, now suddenly you are going to look like a complete fool because you were acting as if you knew something that you clearly have no experience in.
And you saw this again and again with Scott Besant where he was running circles around them because they would ask him one question and then he would start to question them back.
Which type of treasury bond do you mean?
Do you mean this one, this one, this one, this one?
This is about the top of his head.
You know, Kash Patel, I'm sure.
What part of the FISA process are we talking about?
Are we talking about Article I, Article II, Section I, Section II? Are we talking about 702?
Which one do you mean specifically?
Can you get a little bit more granular with this?
He's able to go to that level, and it's a level that certainly that our senators have not seen.
But what the true exposition, and RFK, of course, I mean, I think it goes without saying, RFK clearly, with his knowledge of it.
By the way...
I don't know if I've said this ever publicly about RFK, but I'll say it.
He's not popular because he's a Kennedy.
He's popular because of what he says and the stances that he takes.
If anything, he's eschewed being a Kennedy.
He's been completely excommunicated by the family.
He's been completely attacked by them.
He's been publicly attacked by them.
But it's because he takes the stance that he does against the power centers, against whether it be health, whether it be food, whether it be pharma, and he's able to do so with...
All the facts at his fingertips.
That's why his Dr. Fauci book became the number one book in America, even though no one will admit it.
Believe me, I've seen the numbers, and I do a little bit of publishing.
That guy outsold all of us combined.
And again, it's not because he's a Kennedy.
If anything, he's an anti-celebrity.
It's because of the power of the truths that he is spreading.
And so this is why it just goes to show you, what has our government been made of?
If not, these people who have superior intellects like this, who have actually been ruling over us for all of these years?
Who's been making the decisions?
If not the best of the best, then is it possible that we in fact have the worst of the worst?
And I think that's what's really being exposed through this process.
You know, here's a post from this guy, Walter Kern, who's a literary guy, but very smart.
And a guy who started out on the left but has moved into the Trump camp, and I think he sums up what we're talking about.
I'm just going to read a couple of sentences here.
He goes...
It was a con over and over, year after year, decade after decade.
He says, Americans, he says, basically, we're servicing the con, keeping it going, distributing the proceeds, covering it up, financing its debts, legitimizing its shoddy tactics.
And he says, all of this is going on.
And he goes, now it's almost like we're waking up from it.
And I think with RFK Jr., the great accomplishment of this guy is to take an issue that was almost not even on anybody's horizon.
I mean, the issue of our food, as far as I can tell, Jack, has not been part of our political discussion in 30 years.
And it's not easy to take an issue that is off the table, so to speak.
and introduce it with such forcefulness that now it's almost impossible to think of politics without including that.
Precisely right.
And Walter Kerns, he's the author of Up in the Air, by the way.
It's just a great novel, great movie, and all about outsourcing and the changes to our economy during the Great Recession.
And he just understood what was going on in a way that I think so many people missed.
What Bobby Kennedy did, which then President Trump realized made so much sense for the alliance, was he took that issue of health care, which used to be a Democrat issue.
We remember the Obamacare debates.
We remember all of it.
But it seems like Obamacare got passed and the Democrats completely forgot about healthcare.
They completely forgot about the issue.
They completely forgot about talking about it and the power politically of that issue of I'm going to help you care for yourselves and for your children.
But they came about it through a completely different way.
I'll just be frank, nobody saw it coming.
Nobody saw this coming, but it had been bubbling up here and there throughout the years, people asking questions about what's going on.
And I'll even say it from my own perspective.
My wife comes from Eastern Europe, and so her coming to America, she was always asking us questions.
She said, why do you have this long list of things on all of your food?
Why do you guys have all these injuries and allergies and diseases that I've never...
Dinesh, my wife and Tanya, she'd never heard of a food allergy until she came to America.
She came here when she was 18. She'd never heard of...
I remember she even remarked on, she said, how could you be allergic to food?
How is that even possible?
It's a completely foreign concept, but because Americans are so used to it, because we've been so conditioned to live with these things, that we act as though it's completely normal.
When it turns out, on a lot of these questions...
We're the North Koreans.
We're the ones who have been propagandized to believe that this is normal and to also not realize that we can choose to live in a different way.
Guys, I've been talking to Jack Posobiec, Senior Editor of Human Events.
Follow him on X at Jack Posobiec, the website humanevents.com, the book Bulletproof, The Truth About the Assassination Attempts on Donald Trump.
Jack, always a pleasure.
Thank you for joining me.
And that's God bless, fam.
I'm in the section of the Big Lie in which we're talking about eugenics.
And I alluded the last time to the fact that there was an international community of eugenicists.
There were powerful people in America.
The champions of eugenics in Great Britain included the Fabian socialist George Bernard Shaw.
The utopian leftist novelist H.G. Wells and the progressive economist John Maynard Keynes.
In Germany, the German physician Alfred Plotz was one of the old guys who championed eugenics and became a prominent Nazi.
Ernest Rudin founded the Society for Racial Hygiene.
He was a socialist and he became a...
Architect of the Nazi eugenic program.
And he also did the selection committee for who got chosen to be sterilized.
And the point here is that all these leading eugenicists were men of the left.
And they interacted closely with progressives in other parts of Europe and also in the United States.
They would go to these international eugenics conferences.
By and large, the Americans were considered the most advanced eugenic community in the world, the Germans number two.
And the Germans followed the American programs because they thought that the Americans were more on the cutting edge.
Eventually, as we'll see, the Germans went even further than the Americans.
It's this interaction I want to explore.
Let's talk about Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood.
I want to focus on two of her articles, January 1932, My Way to Peace, and March 27, 1934, America Needs a Code, a Code for Babies.
So we'll start with the second article.
And so Sanger says she wants the government to have a code, meaning a...
A protocol, a program.
For what?
For the better distribution of babies to protect society against the propagation and increase of the unfit.
So quite clearly here, some babies should be encouraged and should live.
Others should not.
The code, she says, should be that, quote, no woman shall have the legal right to bear a child and no man shall have the right to become a father without a permit.
Moreover, quote, no permit for parenthood shall be valid for more than one birth.
One permit, one kid.
And this has to be approved, approved by some centralized process.
You can see right here how this left-wing eugenic progressivism fits right in with the idea of the centralized state.
All these people are on board with the idea of committees that make decisions for other people about whether and how many kids you can have.
Now, let's hear Margaret Sanger talking about the quote unfit.
Many groups of the socially unfit, as for example, feeble minded and criminal, are not sufficiently susceptible to education or the moral pressure of the community.
So in other words, these people are beyond the pale.
You can't fix them.
You can't educate them.
You can't talk them out of it.
They need to be controlled.
Sanger says there are about 5 million Americans meeting her criteria for, quote, mental or moral degenerates.
So, just in case you were thinking, well, gee, obviously people who are totally feeble-minded are really rare.
No.
In Margaret Sanger's view, this is not a matter of most people are normal and one out of a hundred is considered feeble.
She thinks that there's a spectrum from the feeble to the capable.
Depending on how many feeble-minded people you want to identify, it could be 1%, 3%, 5%, maybe 10% of the population.
And she says, for such people, sterilization is indicated.
But if you can't do that, they should be so isolated as to prevent the perpetuation of their afflictions by breeding.
So sterilize them if you can.
If you can't, segregate them.
And in her 1932 article, Sanger calls for the establishment of, quote, farmlands and homesteads where these segregated persons would be taught to work under competent instructors and prevented from reproducing, quote, for the period of their whole life.
Wow.
So look at how these ideas of segregation are not confined to blacks.
Obviously, Sanger thought a lot of blacks fit into these categories, but it applies to everybody.
And here we have an idea that there are better and worse people in society and the worse people need to be prevented from reproducing.
Margaret Sanger was invited in the 1920s to speak to the women's chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in New Jersey.
And she also established a, quote, special Negro project to pressure poor blacks to enroll in these birth control and sterilization programs.
Here is an excerpt from a letter to a friend, an associate.
This is a guy named Clarence Gamble.
Sanger says she's explaining to him why she hired a bunch of black ministers, clergymen, to be her ambassadors to the black community.
We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more Now, this is a very interesting quotation, and it can in fact be read in two ways.
One way is to say we, meaning Sanger, do want to exterminate the Negro population, but she doesn't want the black people to find out about that.
That's one way to read it.
Maybe that's the harsher way to read it.
The most benign way to read it is this.
We're not trying here to exterminate the Negro population as a whole.
We're merely trying to prevent feeble-minded and unfit people from reproducing.
And so we need to have black ministers who are sure the black population, we're not trying to get rid of everybody, only...
only the unfit.
That is the most Charitable way to read what Sanger is saying.
And that is, in a sense, incriminating or damning enough.
Now, the American progressives around Sanger were people like Gamble.
This is the guy that she's communicating with.
He funded some of Sanger's projects.
He spoke at our conferences.
Another for associates was a guy named Lothrop Stoddard.
He published in Sanger's magazines.
He was on the board of the American Birth Control League.
This was the predecessor to Sanger's Planned Parenthood.
And listen to the kind of books that Stoddard was the author of.
His bestseller was called The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy.
Now, today, if you saw a book like that, it would sound like a left-wing book, right?
The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy.
But Lottrop Stoddard was writing about this from the opposite point of view, meaning there's a bunch of colored people trying to overthrow white supremacy.
White supremacy is great.
We need to keep these people down.
So that was basically the...
It portrayed the pristine Nordic race being swamped by immigration and interracial marriage by degenerate hordes from lesser races.
By the way, both Lauterb and Gamble became Nazi sympathizers, and they wanted to import some of the Nazi sterilization programs into America.
Here's Gamble.
He says the Nazi program, quote, will secure Germany a place in the history of races.
And it, quote, So these guys are like, even though the Nazis are supposed to be behind us, they're going ahead of us.
We need to catch up with them.
We need to take some of their ideas now and bring them to America.
Lauterp was so excited by the idea of the Nazi sterilization program, he flew to Germany.
He met with the top Nazi racial eugenicist, Eugen Fischer, and Fritz Lentz.
He also met with Himmler, who later became the sort of top lieutenant to Hitler, and Joachim von Ribbentrop.
This is the guy who signed the Molotov Ribbentrop.
Soviet-Nazi pact.
That's Ribbentrop.
And he got a coveted audience with Hitler.
Think about this.
Here's an American left-winger, friend of Margaret Sanger, sitting across the desk, if you will, or across the chair from Adolf Hitler.
And then started, wrote a book in 1940, which was a kind of celebration of Hitler and Nazi eugenics.
So these were the circles in which Margaret Sanger moved.
And now we turn to Sanger herself, April 1933, in the Birth Control Review.
This is the name of a magazine.
Sanger publishes an article, Eugenic Sterilization and Urgent Need.
Sanger is the editor.
She's publishing an article, and it's written by Ernst Rudin, who is chief architect of the Nazi sterilization program, and by the way, a mentor of Josef Mengele.
And so think about this.
You have these Nazi sterilization guys publishing in American magazines, edited by Margaret Sanger.
And then Sanger herself in 1938, when the Nazi sterilization was in full swing, she urges America to pretty much follow the example of the Nazis.
Quote, In animal industry, the poor stock is not allowed to breed.
In gardens, the weeds are kept down.
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