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Debbie and I are ready for our weekend roundup, and I thought we'd begin with kind of the funny story.
Which is that, because this is a podcast and we're in a studio, typically at the beginning of the podcast, Debbie does very light makeup on me.
Now, it's makeup mainly just to remove a shine.
But you had a pretty funny experience when you went to buy this makeup.
Can you tell about it?
Yeah.
So, you know, I got it at CVS. And it's basically just a powder, but it's dark, you know, for dark skin, right?
Well, my skin is not dark, obviously.
So I go to the counter, and the guy, he goes, oh, ma'am, this is not your shade.
I go, oh, I know, it's for my husband.
And he just looked at me like...
Just like he couldn't believe I said that.
Well, this happened about, I guess, about a year ago.
Yeah.
And I say this because you told me yesterday, I guess it was, that my makeup has run out.
Yes.
And you're like, I'm a little bit hesitant to go and replenish it because of what happened last time.
I may have to do the Amazon.
Do not lie.
Avoid the embarrassment.
Yeah.
Now, honey, you have a big day.
Mm-hmm.
A birthday.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Today?
Yeah.
59. Yeah.
And I only say that because you are not bashful.
People are going to be like, oh, Dinesh, you should never say a woman's age.
You know, that's terrible.
But, you know, I've never been, it's never bothered me.
Except when I was 23 years old and I was working for Liberty Military Sales, a company that has since...
It went under actually back in the early 90s.
But I kind of became in charge of the customer service department for all the stores.
And I was 23. And I had to sit there with all these old men who, you know, were extremely, I guess at the time...
Kind of chauvinistic.
Condescending.
Condescending and everything.
And I was very young and I looked, I mean, I was 23 and I looked like I was about 14 or 15 years old.
I tried really hard to put on the makeup.
You know, I wanted to look really old and very mature.
And I don't think it worked.
So that was the only time I ever really was concerned about my age.
But, you know, as I get older, of course, my kids, Justin, Juliana.
Justin's going to be 30 this year.
Juliana, 25. They remind me how old I am all the time.
Well, I find with a lot of things you have, it's a bit of a trade-off.
I had pretty oily skin when I was in my teenage years.
And as a teenager, you hate that.
You don't want to have that kind of oily skin.
In fact, it's a little more susceptible to...
Getting pimples, getting zits, that kind of stuff.
Yeah.
But of course, that oily skin helps you later.
Later in life.
Because you don't get wrinkles.
You don't get as many wrinkles.
It's not like we don't have any, but we have some.
The other thing, I think, is that when you are young and you look really young, you don't like it.
No.
Because you feel like, you know, I'm in the 11th grade.
I look like I'm an 8th grader.
Yeah.
And you said when you taught school.
Oh, yeah.
And I taught high school.
When I was 32, I looked like I was in high school.
So I would get asked for my hall pass.
And I was like, no, I'm a teacher.
Really?
But, you know, I was only like 14 years older than the rest of the kids.
And so, you know, it was a little, you know.
Yeah.
But now, you know, I love it when people tell me I don't look 59. But I'm like...
Oh, I think you're just saying that.
Because every time I look in the mirror, I see it.
Well, we have a little bit of a double-edged sword because I think what happens is sometimes when we go to events or we go to things, people will say to us something like, You look a lot better in person than you do on the podcast.
Which is a double-edged comment.
Because if you take it out, well, I look horrible on the podcast.
But the thing about it is if they said the opposite, you'd be offended the other way.
I'd be offended.
I don't know.
Anyway, let's talk also about, since we're talking family.
It looks like Brandon Gill is hitting the ground running.
And I say this because just this week, I mean, the guy has barely been sworn into office.
We were there last weekend for his swearing-in.
He's one of the first congressmen out with a bill.
And his bill is a consolidation.
Of Trump's remain in Mexico policy.
In other words, if you're applying for asylum, you don't get to be released in this country and hang around for 18 months waiting for your court date.
You remain in Mexico.
You stay on the other side of the fence.
That's right.
When you have your court date, you show up.
I mean, it's just common sense.
I'm sure every other country in the world...
But you know the Mexican president doesn't like it because she's like, well, these people aren't all Mexican.
I don't want them to remain here because...
But why let them in the country in the first place?
Remember, they're coming into the country from the other side.
Yeah, I know.
So it's your fault if you let them in.
It's kind of like someone goes through Bangladesh to come to India.
The Indians aren't going to say, you know, well, I guess you don't belong in Bangladesh either.
No.
Bangladesh?
Bangladesh is the country.
No, I know, but I say Bangladesh.
Bangladesh.
But remember, this is sort of like, this is how you pronounce Spanish names.
You pronounce them the Spanish way.
Right?
I'm doing kind of the same thing.
You know, I guess like Obama, I'll say Pakistan.
Pakistan.
Pakistan.
Not Pakistan.
But back to Brandon.
I think this guy is...
Well, I mean, he cares about a lot of issues and he's on a number of really good committees.
He's on the Oversight Committee.
He's on the Budget Committee.
I forget the third committee he's on.
It's...
Judiciary?
Judiciary, yeah.
Which he's very excited about because Jim Jordan is the chairman of that committee.
But...
The issue that I think is, his primary issue is the border.
So I think he's very eager to come out the gate strong with a bill on this, and I certainly hope it makes, I think that's the kind of bill that will get unanimous Republican support.
I mean, if there's one issue that Republicans are united on, it's the border.
It's sealed the border.
Yeah, so what do you think about the future of the Dems?
Well, the Democratic Party I think is in disarray right now.
And it's, to be honest, not something we have seen in a long time.
If ever.
No, I mean, we have seen it before.
But I would say that the last time we really saw it was Jimmy Carter.
Well, yeah.
I was a kid, though.
When Jimmy Carter lost, the Democrats were beside themselves.
They had messed up on the foreign policy front, on the domestic front.
Carter was seen as a buffoon.
I mean, think about it.
We've had all these Democratic conventions.
Have you ever seen Carter show up at any of them?
I don't think he has.
I don't know.
He's certainly never spoken at any of them.
I don't remember Carter speaking at a scene.
You think that the Democrats threw him under the bus?
Oh, yeah.
Absolutely.
In other words, he disgraced the party to such a degree they could not afford to bring him out to speak.
Because he was so unpopular.
He was so unpopular.
I mean, he's unpopular 30 years later.
So think about it.
After Carter passes away, almost everything that they say about him has nothing to do with his presidency.
They'll say things like, well, he was a very decent man and he built homes for people with habitat for humanity.
And all of that's true, but his presidency was unmitigated.
So the Democrats took, and not only that, but not only did they have this kind of Carter millstone around their neck, they did not know how to cope with Reagan.
And as Reagan just outplayed them, he outwitted them.
And you see the same bewilderment now.
I think it's for this reason.
In 2016, even though Trump was elected, it was almost like a surprise election.
And from the beginning, the Democrats had Trump up against the wall.
And the Democrats were pushing.
And they dominated the agenda during his presidency.
I mean, you and I would talk about how we are supposed to be in control, but they are really in charge.
They always are.
They always are.
But I think this time they're not in charge, and they kind of know it.
In fact, if you look at issue after issue after issue, they're not setting the agenda anymore.
It's really quite striking to see.
The debates are now being held within the right.
The recent debate, for example, about H-1B visas was, by and large, the tech libertarian camp.
So they watch us self-destruct, basically.
Well, no, they watch us, but see, there's no self-destruction happening.
They watch us, they'll say things like, well, there seems to be a civil war brewing among the Republicans, but it's no civil war.
Because, think of it, Elon Musk supposedly had a big strike against him because he came out on one side of H-1B. Five minutes later, Elon Musk is talking about Pakistani immigrants in Britain who are raping all these British girls.
So it's not like Elon Musk does not understand the risks and dangers of this kind of unmitigated open border policy.
There's consequences.
And he understands them as well as the MAGA right does.
Yeah.
It's interesting that the left doesn't in any country.
I don't get it.
No.
They have made this...
You know, it was not obvious that they would go in this direction because it's very possible to have multiculturalism within your own country, elevate the minorities and the LGBTQ, but not have an open border.
But they pushed DEI and identity politics to its logical conclusion, which is...
If we hate America enough, we not only want to capsize, take down the monuments, elevate the minorities and depreciate the majorities, but also let's uncork the border.
Let the rest of the world in.
So it's almost like an all-out assault that they launched.
And they have done a lot of damage, we have to admit.
It's going to take a lot to undo it.
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Debbie and I are doing our Friday roundup, and when we left off, we were talking about the border, the way that the Democrats have gone about their business in the last four years, almost as if we didn't exist, almost as if there was no Republican Party, and almost as if there was no need for them to put any kind of check on their own policies.
Just go all out.
Print as much money as you want to.
That's the Fed.
Open the border as much as you want to.
Send money to Iran if you want to.
Ukraine.
Send money to Ukraine.
Shut down oil wells.
In the wake of the fires, the amount of money that they're sending now to Ukraine, every time there's a domestic disaster, there was, of course, the North Carolina, now, of course, the fires in California.
But the open contempt of the Democrat officials for people, I still find it a little bit shocking.
And this is actually interesting because, as you know, I get the North Carolina people were not friendly to the administration, so they were very aggressive when it came to even helping them.
They didn't want to do it.
They ignored them.
Don't help them if they have a sign, that kind of thing.
But California, I mean, these L.A. homes, these actors, these people that live in L.A. County— And a lot of middle-class people, too.
Yeah, they're lefties.
I mean, you know, they elected a Marxist mayor.
And so it's interesting that the Dems in charge are still kind of ignoring them, too.
I think it has to be that, certainly in California— They have become accustomed to a one-party state.
And because they're a one-party state, there's no accountability.
They make a proposal.
In fact, one wacky commissioner makes a proposal.
Another wacky commissioner makes a more extreme proposal.
And by and large, the more extreme proposal goes through because there's no real resistance coming from anywhere.
And so I think these Democratic leaders basically believe that once they win the primary, they've won the election, And it's essentially a time to just take advantage of their position of power.
That's why I think Karen Bass traipses off to, she thinks of herself as a foreign dignitary.
She's probably treated as a foreign dignitary over there.
I mean, if you show up in a country sufficiently obscure, you know, I mean, you could be our gardener and be treated as a foreign dignitary.
All you have to say is you're some sort of elected official somewhere.
But all of this, I think, is just...
It just goes to show that these guys have mastered the rhetoric of work for the people, work for democracy, work for the little guy, work for the minorities.
They don't care about any of these people at all.
No, they don't.
Whether rich or poor.
Right, right.
Especially rich, actually.
Yeah.
To them, this is all a way of carving out the benefits of government while they are in there.
I think the reason they love DEI is DEI is a career path.
So they play the identity politics game to get positions.
And then when they get positions, they look into the trough.
This is the swamp.
But this mayor, Karen, she's not elected because of DEI. She's elected because of dumb voters.
For the most part, yes.
I mean, you cannot call an election by itself DEI because DEI has to do with setting aside some relatively objective criteria of merit and saying, I'll give it to you because of the color of your skin or because you're gay or you're trans or whatever.
Now, the way that DEI plays into elections is if you're able to play the race card or the woman card.
What about Trudeau's twin brother, Mr...
You know, his twin brother, the California Newsome.
Oh, Newsome.
Newsome.
I think he looks like Trudeau.
He just reminds me of him.
I don't know.
I don't know what it is.
Well, he's got the same mannerisms.
But he's not, but I mean, he's not of color and he won.
No, exactly.
So again, dumb voters.
Well, exactly.
He is the classic example, as Trudeau is, of the...
Pandering, white, progressive leftist.
He's the embodiment of that.
But see, a lot of people who are like that will vote based on identity politics.
And when Dianne Feinstein stepped down, Newsom was very determined to have a black woman take her place.
So in California, they're very explicit about playing this identity politics card.
Now, talking about the border, And also talking about, you know, we often talk about the vulnerability of the border to terrorism.
But we're seeing this new phenomenon in the country, represented by what happened in New Orleans, the homegrown terrorist.
But I have to tell you, people have forgotten about these Islamic radicals, and they have not gone away.
We seem to have forgotten about 9-11.
We've forgotten about these...
You know, Islamist jihadists.
But they're around.
And they're not going away.
Well, not only that, but you can fairly assume that in an open border of the last four years, with 8 million plus people coming in.
But honey, you don't even need an open border.
We have homegrown here in America that actually were born in America that are Islamic terrorists.
Right.
We don't have to import them.
They don't have to come in through the border.
Now, granted, some have, and they've admitted to that.
But this dude that did the deed in New Orleans, he was born and raised in Houston.
I think he was born in Beaumont, right outside of Houston.
And you said he didn't have an American.
He obviously had an American accent.
Exactly.
He's an American.
He has an American accent.
And this is why I cringe at the thought...
Of an Islamic terrorist in the making that wants to be a pilot.
Remember, I talked to you about this.
Yeah, this is interesting because we take a lot of flights.
And of course, you'll sometimes see as you stand up to go to the bathroom that the stewardess interposes herself because the pilot is going.
So in other words, they create a blockade.
They create a barrier between the passengers.
And the pilots in the cockpit, as if to say that the cockpit has to be kept secure.
And what you're saying is that, wait a minute, it is not out of the question that we will get terrorists in the cockpit.
I think within the next five to ten years, it would not shock me in the least if we had a jihadist pilot kill his whole, you know, airplane because he wants to commit.
You know, he wants to...
Allahu Akbar.
Exactly.
Well, the thing about it is, it's worth noting that we've watched some of these episodes that have tracked previous airplane disasters.
It is not out of the question there have been multiple cases of suicidal pilots.
Now, we're not saying jihadists.
We're saying pilots who, for whatever reason...
Decided to take the plane down, and the way they did it is they tell the co-pilot, or vice versa, hey, go get me some coffee.
Or when he goes to the bathroom.
Oh, he goes to the bathroom.
He locks the door.
You lock the cockpit door, and then there's just no easy way to get in.
You can keep banging on the door, but the pilot just sits at his spot, sometimes puts on his oxygen mask.
To everyone's horror.
To everyone's horror, and then just...
Takes the plane into the ground or the ocean or into a mountain.
I mean, it's a very...
I mean, look, like I said, because of DEI and because everyone's so hell-bent on not discriminating against Muslims, I think that this is a very real threat.
Because think about it.
A Muslim young man, you know, he's law-abiding.
Everything else.
But he wants to be a pilot.
And he's born in Indiana.
Yeah, he's an American.
Do you really think American Airlines, United Airlines, Delta Airlines is going to say, no, because just in case you become a jihadist, we can't take that risk.
They're never going to say that.
They're never going to say that.
I mean, look at the example of Great Britain.
You had Pakistani gangs.
In many cases, the young girls were lined up for the whole family or for several gang members to rape them.
And when the girls or their parents went to complain, the parents are told, you're a racist, you might need to have anti-racism training.
So think of how sickle these Brits are that in order to avoid a reputation for insensitivity or racism, They're actually allowing the rape of young girls.
So it shows you that the pathology of white progressivism is a very advanced disease.
It is.
And we know that it's present in our country as well.
And it's going to get some people killed.
I'm telling you right now, I have that.
It's almost like every time we get on an airplane...
I look at the pilots because I need to know what they are.
Well, I mean, the whole infrastructure of protection is based upon the idea that the problem is not with the pilots.
Yeah.
The whole infrastructure of protection is that...
And by the way, it's also that it's not with the illegals, right?
Because the illegals walk through the airport.
You've seen them.
I've seen them.
It's like, no ID, no problem.
Get on the plane.
They take a little photo there.
It's like, really, I forgot my life.
So, in other words, the way they're looking at it, the threat...
Is the passengers, right?
But it's not the pilot and it's not the illegals.
Or even the people that put the luggage in the airplane.
I mean, those guys, they can have a bomb or something and put it in, slip it into somebody's luggage.
And there you go.
And then lately, you know, these two people that were dead in the cargo.
In the landing gear.
In the landing gear.
What the heck?
I mean...
Well, you call them stowaways, but I said to you, there is no way that these guys thought, hey, I want to get a free flight.
I think I'll hang on to the landing gear.
But why else would they do?
I think they were stowaways, but I also think they were dumb stowaways.
You mean there were stowaways inside the plane, and when the landing gear was deployed, they were like, oh, wait, hold on.
What's happening to me?
I'm being ejected outside the plane.
Uh-oh, this is not good.
Stowaway plan aborted!
I don't know, but that just tells you quality control.
And then the latest about the United Airlines and the American Airlines clipping each other on the runway.
I mean, guys, this is crazy.
I think part of it, of course, is DEI, but part of it is also, I think there has been...
A degradation of quality standards in the country generally.
We see it in customer service and in all kinds of areas.
This is just a culture that tolerates a higher degree of sloppiness than it did before.
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I've been talking this week about the fact that it's a new day or a new era That
have been put on us by Facebook, often for things that are very innocuous.
I think at one point I talked about Kyle Rittenhouse defending himself, and I got a strike for, quote, it had to do with Facebook's kind of dangerous individual's policy, as if I was somehow praising...
Or as if he was a dangerous individual.
He had just been acquitted.
This is the point.
But they claimed that the policy had been put in place before he was acquitted.
And so they appealed to this technicality.
When I tried to say, hey, listen, the guy's been acquitted, they were like, well, yes, but our policy went into effect beforehand.
Facebook has just been an absolutely disgraceful operation.
And not only that, but they censor you.
So like people that are on your fan page don't even see your posts because the algorithm makes it to where just the same as YouTube, actually.
So, you know, it's one of those things where you just don't get it.
Well, I think that Zuckerberg is trying to...
Now.
Claim redemption.
He's like the prostitute who shows up and says, I'm a convert!
I don't want to be arrested.
I don't want to be held responsible.
All the things I did because I've seen the light and Zuckerberg wants everybody to go, okay, welcome, Zuckerberg.
We're so relieved.
We're so delighted to hear from you.
I notice that that's not the reaction.
People are very angry.
They should be.
They should be.
And we are too.
And I think this guy deserves to...
Be punished for what he has done over the past four years.
If he wants to redeem himself beyond that, all to the better.
But that doesn't delete your accountability for what you already did.
I mean, think about all those people that are...
You know, the term Facebook jail.
Facebook jail tells you so much, right?
It tells you everything you need to know.
Right.
And just think about the...
I mean, you have...
Elderly women trying to communicate with their friends about Trump, and they get banned, they get deplatformed, they get a one-year strike.
I have a friend who's had to multiple times get different accounts because they shut him down.
You know who I'm talking about.
Of course.
Well, he posts the most hilarious memes that make you laugh out loud.
They are hilarious.
He's so funny.
But, you know, okay, so he's out of control, but the memes are funny.
And they're witty.
And people enjoy them.
And I mean, this is the whole point of free speech, right?
In other words, it is amazing.
Yeah, he's not hurting anybody.
No.
He's just making us laugh.
Yeah, people don't really understand what free speech is.
If something doesn't offend you, then it never becomes a question of tolerance.
If free speech means that you approve of things that you already agree with...
Then no tolerance is involved at all.
The whole point of free speech is it protects stuff that you don't agree with.
And even stuff that you may find very offensive.
Yeah, it protects debate.
Right.
So there was something on X the other day where this guy goes, you know, those of you who claim to be against censorship, look at, there are people on Twitter, on X, who are calling women household objects.
I was like...
This is like your best example.
So what?
Big deal.
Whoop-dee-doo.
I mean, the point is you should be able to say stuff like this.
And you should be able to defend it.
There are some women, though, that want to be household objects.
Just saying.
Look, there are people who will take offense.
All right.
Well, you weigh in and explain why you're not a household object.
Explain what's the difference between you and a household object.
Right?
Yeah, I guess.
I guess.
But, you know, the thing about it is, if you don't like it, then read something else.
You know, block the person that said it.
Move on.
This is the new mentality that people have, that they should exercise control over what other people think and say.
Think about this whole issue of pronouns, right?
Because if you want to go around calling yourself stuff, you know, I identify as Napoleon, I identify as a toad.
I mean...
Go ahead and do it.
But if you claim, I demand to be addressed as Mr. Toad, that's going too far.
Because that is making a claim on me and forcing me to submit to your wacky self-conception, which I don't have to do.
But what happens is so quickly these people metamorphose from being victims into bullies.
They start off with some claim of victimization.
I'm not sure they're ever victims.
I see them more as always bullies.
Well, I think that they...
Right.
The victimization to them is tactical.
It is a form of power.
So...
And I think this was really a lesson that was learned all the way going back to the civil rights movement.
They started off with victimization.
I'm a minority.
I'm oppressed.
And of course, in the case of blacks, there was a lot of truth to it.
Going back to the 30s and 40s, they could point to lynchings.
The judicial system in the Democratic South was very rigged against them.
They're quite right about all that.
So they tapped into that victimization, but very soon they realized that it could be deployed as a weapon of power.
And they have done it relentlessly ever since.
What is your thought about, do you think that if Zuckerberg is sincere, if Facebook does lift the curtain on the censorship, does that bode well for YouTube and Google?
Google may be the worst censor.
They say that Google is the most totalitarian institution that has ever existed.
It needs to be broken up.
Well, how about blast it?
I guess you can't blast it to smithereens because you do need a search engine.
Yeah, no, it's a monopoly that you need to break up.
And I think once that happens, I think their power will dissipate.
Well, that's just because of the market and competition.
When you break something up, well, look at when you deregulate the airlines.
And India used to have a single airline, Air India.
If you have 17 airlines, they're all going to compete with each other.
They're going to go after different markets.
May the best one win.
Yeah, and so censorship becomes much more difficult to carry out because of the countervailing.
Yeah, because if, let's just say that Google stays, but then you have a lot of others, and Google is just super tyrannical and they censor everybody, well, people aren't going to want to go on Google.
Right now, it's kind of like the only thing there.
Yeah, censorship relies on having a monopoly on censorship.
I think also YouTube will start to see the same thing happen to them.
Right now YouTube is considerably better than the other platforms in terms of just the videos and the chat rooms and all of those things, the lives.
A lot of good educational content on YouTube.
Yeah, there's a lot.
But I do think that unfortunately they also...
Preyed upon conservatives, canceling conservatives.
Oh, they're still doing it.
Even our channel is restricted.
It's not, for whatever reason...
People just don't even know you're on.
Well, I mean, I have 750,000 subscribers.
That number never moves.
And I get 10,000 views roughly.
But the funny thing is that your other platforms have increased in the last four years.
Tremendously.
A lot.
But this one just has not moved the needle.
Well, we do have to give credit here to platforms like Rumble and Truth Social because they...
Stood in the gap when the censorship was at its worst.
Remember, Trump was censored on most of these platforms.
I don't think they can censor him now, do you?
They can try.
They did actually censor him towards the end of his presidency.
They censored him at the end of his presidency.
Yeah, so I think they can.
Whether people will stand for it.
That's another issue.
Well, not only that, but I think now Trump is in a strong enough position that he won't stand for it.
In other words, Trump has weapons at his disposal.
Somehow in 2020, he wasn't able to deploy them, in part because he didn't control his own Justice Department.
No, right.
But here's a case where, okay, you want to censor us?
Okay, we're going to bring an antitrust case against you.
Okay, we're going to take the censorship to the Supreme Court.
I do think that will happen.
I hope it does, but I think it will, actually.
Yeah.
I interpret the pilgrimage that Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos, and I think even the Google guy, I'm not sure if it was Sundar Pinchai or the other guy, in any event, they go to see Trump.
I think it is their way of saying peace treaty.
I think it's their way of saying, okay, it's kind of like, okay, I've got a small army at Google, but you have a big army called the U.S. military, and so I'm going to submit to your superior power.
That's right.
It's not a change of heart on their part.
These people are slime.
I mean, they're absolute snakes.
Yeah.
But I think they've realized that you now have maybe a snake smasher who's coming into the Oval Office, and life may not be so good for the snakes.
I thought we would talk in this segment about the Jimmy Carter service because there was an interesting vignette where Kamala Harris is sitting in the front and Obama and Trump are side by side in the row behind her.
She looks very annoyed at the fact that they are bantering with each other.
And moreover, what's significant about all this is that it flashes your mind back to all the times that they said that Trump is Hitler.
You know, Trump is here to create a fascist dictatorship.
Destroy democracy.
It's the end of democracy.
And if you just watch Obama's manner, it's clear he never for a moment believed a word of it.
So this highlights the supreme cynicism of these people because you can't believe a word of what they say.
It's all a game to them.
It's like, okay, it's campaign time.
This is where I get to call you a Nazi.
And however...
You're not really a Nazi.
You're not really a Nazi, and you know that, and I know that.
But maybe there's a bunch of stupid Democrats out there who go, yeah, he's a Nazi.
I could never vote for that guy.
I'm going to tell all my friends not to vote for the Nazi.
So it's almost like an insider agreement that this is okay.
Because I have to say that by Trump speaking cordially to Obama, Even he is sort of endorsing this practice.
And I say that because, quite honestly, if somebody went around calling me a Nazi and I'm sitting next to them, I would not speak to them.
Like, I wouldn't speak to Obama just because he's Obama.
Yeah.
You and I have talked about the fact that even if we had a free dinner with Obama, we would not attend.
No, no, and no.
Right?
I mean, it's kind of like...
I don't even think I would shake his hand.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, a part of me is intrigued, but you also know...
I mean, it's kind of like vacation with Satan.
Right?
Come on a vacation.
All expenses paid vacation with Satan.
It's like, I don't really know if I want to be around...
Would you even be tempted?
No.
I wouldn't be tempted.
No, no.
I wouldn't be tempted because...
That would be horrible.
Exactly.
I wouldn't dream of doing that.
With Obama, it's almost like I have a certain anthropological curiosity about this man.
I don't think he would want to take you out to dinner, though.
I think he hates you that much.
You know, interestingly, when I would speak on campuses, this is going back a few years now, a lot of times I'd say, well, you know, Obama came after me after I did that movie.
And students would say to me, look, what makes you think he saw your dumb movie?
What makes you think he's even motivated by that?
What makes you think he'll spend any time worrying about you, Dinesh?
And I was like, well, when 2016 was in the theater, in 2000 theaters, and it was, you know, doing very well.
Every day I was getting blasted on a website called barackobama.com.
So I go, gee, that's where I get the idea that this vindictive narcissist is not happy about me and not happy about the film.
He's attacking me by name.
I don't know about that because I don't know who owned that website.
He did.
Did he really?
Of course he did.
You know why we know that?
It's because once he came into office, he took the website down.
It was his personal website.
Oh, it was his personal.
Okay.
But the reason I knew he hated you was after your conviction.
Well, no.
When they went after you.
Well, but see, I think what these student leftists were getting at is, no, your conviction must have been because you're a hardened criminal.
It couldn't be because Obama is targeting you because he doesn't have time to do things like that.
He's just way up here.
But I was like, no, the guy is extremely petty.
And I think what got him about the film...
Wasn't that I made a critique of Obamacare.
It was that I went inside his world, interviewing his brother.
I'm there at his family homestead.
I'm dragging a goat to be, you know, as the price of the interview with his grandmother.
I mean, it made him look whacked and hypocritical and deceitful.
A very bad person.
A very bad guy.
I think he saw that and he was like, I'm going to make the guy who does this pay.
Yeah, for sure.
So, hey, so I was, you remember I told you about the Biden admin releases 11 Yemeni detainees from Guantanamo Bay.
Suspected Al-Qaeda tides, these guys, right?
And I go...
This reeks of Obama.
Yeah, this is actually not something that even Biden would...
We know that Biden doesn't do a lot on his own.
Yeah.
But there are certain things that are more consistent with the Biden way.
Like, for example, you know, something like, let's have a meeting and when I leave there will be an empty briefcase and I expect to find cash in it.
That's a Biden thing.
Biden would...
Biden is...
Quite capable of doing that.
Now, he didn't do it exactly that way.
He worked through Hunter Biden and James Biden.
But that kind of corruption suits him.
But this kind of thing has Obama's aroma coming right out of it.
It stinks of Obama.
For sure.
He did it before.
He did it before.
He released the hardened Taliban leaders, remember?
And it was always covered by some sort of...
And then he exchanged that guy.
Oh, the deserter!
Yeah.
Yeah, of course.
What was his name?
I forget his name.
Oh, I'm trying to remember now.
The guy...
Bergdahl.
Bo Bergdahl.
Bergdahl.
Yeah, he exchanged him for an al-Qaeda...
Well, he exchanged him for five Taliban commanders.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A number of which went...
That went on to do their...
Yeah!
They went right back into the fight and they're probably in the Taliban government today.
They are.
Or their associates are.
Yeah, they are.
Yeah, no, this is very reminiscent of something he would do.
But then the other thing that he did was...
What did he do about the oil?
Well, Biden is...
It's like he's gone nuts.
Yeah.
He's like, I'm going to block drilling.
I'm going to open the border.
I'm going to take all this environmental money and just give it away.
I'm going to send as much money as I can to Ukraine.
I think their philosophy is not to leave a single dollar unspent.
So what they're doing is, this is the equivalent.
They're looting the White House, literally.
Exactly.
Remember how at the end of the Clinton years, they said that Clinton, like...
They lifted the paintings off the walls, the vases off the tables, like looted the White House, right?
And the Bushes came in and they were like, what happened here?
But this is the policy equivalent of that.
Yes, it is.
This is like, let's take the budget, blow it.
You know, let's grant as many amnesties and pardons as we can.
But as you know, I don't think Biden is actually like doing it himself.
I do think he's getting he's getting all these people that actually held him up for the four years that he was president.
Because, you know, you know, the man, he is senile or he's got dementia.
He can't make decisions.
But I do think that he was in on this bargain from the beginning.
In other words, it wasn't that in 2020 Biden said, I don't know what's going on.
You know what?
You guys just tell me what to do and say, I think Biden realized I've always wanted to be president.
I'm not going to be able to make it on my own.
In fact, he was doing terribly in the primary.
That's right.
So he sat down with the Democratic kind of bosses, almost like the old days of smoky rooms, and they said to him, this is how it's going to have to be.
You are not really going to be the president, but you're going to be the figurehead of the presidency.
So he was okay with that.
And he was okay with that.
And they probably also said, we know that you've been running all kinds of rackets.
So, you know, we'll protect you.
We'll keep all that money in your pocket.
You'll have multiple homes.
You'll have the title of having been the president, but the real power.
But what about him telling people, you know, if I had stayed in the race, I would have won.
What about that?
Do you think that's his idea?
Well, that, I think, is truly the senility talking.
Right?
Because I think I've even seen people from Mark Halperin on the left to others say, you know, this is...
Harry Enten, who's the poll guy at CNN, he even said, this is manifestly untrue.
And he went on to show polls showing that Biden was just losing decisively.
That Kamala Harris at least made a race of it.
I mean, she lost all the swing states, which does suggest a decisive Trump victory, but I think it would have been even bigger with Biden.
Well, you know, it's funny.
I'm like thinking, is he the one saying that, or is it Obama?
Do you think Obama's going to stick around?
Do you think he's going to continue to live near the White House?
Well, if you think about it, you know, I don't know what he has in that Calorama house.
He probably has all kinds of equipment and big screens and stuff.
And now it's going to be like, you know what?
Maybe that's what the conversation was about.
Him and Trump.
Hey.
Hey, I've got all this high-tech equipment, which is directly connected to the Oval Office.
What am I going to do with it now?
Maybe I can sell it to you at a discount rate.
Right?
Because obviously Trump is not going to hear from Obama.
Well, the other possibility is Obama could make himself the...
You remember when we were in London, we went to the Winston Churchill underground hideout and bunker in World War.
Maybe this can be the bunker of the resistance to Trump.
So in other words, all kinds of kooks, Rachel Maddow, Alex Soros, all these people can regularly convene.
At Obama's Calorama House, they can all do all the stuff.
They do all the ideological plotting.
They can probably have a big witch's cauldron going, you know, managed by Hillary.
She's the head witch, you know, brewing the great witch's brew.
They can all do hexes on Trump at the end of the day.
That sounds like a possibility.
I mean, I don't want to suggest it too loudly because they might all be listening.
Yeah, don't give them any ideas.
I was going to say, they all listen and they go, wow, Dinesh, we rarely agree with you, but in this case, you have a great idea.
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