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LET’S GO JOE? Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep866
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Thanks for joining us and welcome back to the Dinesh D'Souza show.
I'm Kyle Serafin and today we are talking to a guest that has a pharmaceutical angle.
He wants to give you some white pills and make you understand what's happening, both the mechanics and what actions can be taken.
Yesterday, we got a little deep into the history Going back to the 19-teens, the failure pre-World War I of the American Republic system, the skeleton that actually underpins our quote-unquote democracy, which I despise as a term.
Today we're going to be talking to Mike Howell.
And Mike works for the Heritage Foundation.
They're most interested in doing oversight in a meaningful way.
And that's going to actually offer you a lot of hope.
We ended the show yesterday with a discussion of hope.
America is a place of hope, but it's also a place of hard work.
The American values of self-reliance, of bootstrapping, and of pushing forward, making sure that the generation in front of you has a better outcome, even if yours is relatively miserable.
That is the American experience.
We're going to be talking about that again with Mike Howell, the Executive Director of the Oversight Project at Heritage Foundation.
Stick around for that.
that you're going to learn something, I guarantee it.
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All right, folks, today's guest on the Dinesh D'Souza Show.
It's Mike Howell.
He's the executive director of the Heritage Foundation Oversight Project.
We're going to talk about what that is.
We're going to talk about who he is, why he's in the fight and why you should want Joe Biden to stick around.
Going to get some red pills, maybe some white pills dropped on you all today.
Mike, welcome to the show.
Hey, thanks for having me on.
I'm excited about this because I think people are going to learn a lot.
And there's a lot of people that are babbling about things you made a fun comment about.
There's only three people in America.
There's at least four and we're going to get a bunch more who want Joe Biden stick around.
Can you tell people kind of who you are?
I know you're an attorney.
I know you worked in the government.
Maybe kind of give them kind of your back story.
Right, so I started out, you know, over 10-12 years ago on Capitol Hill as kind of one of these oversight attorneys who, you know, is engaged in the hearings and the letter-writing process, at which the time I thought was the end-all be-all.
This is how we hold the big guys accountable.
And while we put some points on the board against Obama back in those days, I went into the Trump administration to defend against the same sort of thing at the Department of Homeland Security.
You remember, it was the travel ban, the kids in cages, border wall.
All those fights.
Learn two very important things.
One, the right gets their absolute butts whooped on this stuff because we think our way of getting accountability is this letter writing fanfare and these just cheap produced hearings and whatnot.
Whereas the left structures these international operations really in concert with media, lawfare, everything else combined into one to really derail the right.
That's what they did to the Trump administration.
Russia, Russia, Russia took the winds out of the sails of the two-year window to get most of the agenda done.
I also learned at the Department of Homeland Security that there are a lot of snakes in the den.
I mean, at that moment in time, I remember when I was really getting ready to get out of there because no one was focused on building the wall amongst a lot of the senior political appointee class.
They wanted to establish the cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency.
That was like the most important thing to the Chris Krebs of the world, who just wanted this tea party entity where they could get credential and have all their friends over to talk about censoring people on the right.
And so I had to get out of there and basically came over to Heritage and built what I'm hoping will turn into the equivalent Of that kind of lawfare effort on the left and also investigatory apparatus.
And so to that end, we're sourcing documents at a pace well beyond all of Congress combined on this.
The things that are actually animating kind of the major stories as it relates to, you know, the Biden family corruption, Merrick Garland, a lot of what's happening at the FBI, which, you know, is, as you well know, a complete disaster.
And suing, you know, we're suing for the H.E.R.
Audio tapes were well over 100 days ahead of the House of Representatives, just show how this works.
They decided to sue yesterday despite our warnings that if they were to do such a thing, just to score some quick political points, it's really just going to delay the release of the audio tapes in the long run because DOJ is going to use that to argue, hey, now we got two cases, we need more time to deal with it.
And so we're trying to replace what I see as a feckless oversight and investigative function on the right, and then go out, put some points on the board, and also defend our guys.
So that's the line of work I'm in.
You're kind of one of the guys that probably draws a little bit of fire from our own side, if you will, if there is such a thing as our own side, because you're willing to call the balls and strikes on it.
I always say this, and I'd be very curious about your take.
I feel like Republicans, not conservatives per se, but Republicans in general, are playing either chess or checkers.
They're the guys sitting at the stone tables out in the park, and they're trying to move the pieces around the board and line up that good move.
And Democrats are just driving like a monster truck through and smashing all the tables and ruining the park for everybody.
How does that sit with you as a guy who grew up in the area, who grew up around D.C.
and now has to work in there every day?
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I'm clearly a class traitor to kind of the professional establishment class here.
And I realize I said that with the Heritage Foundation background behind me.
But, you know, since Kevin Roberts came over as president, we've changed our tune quite a bit.
But essentially, the biggest problem I see towards the right actually becoming serious is we need to end this feedback reward loop where we just applaud process.
This is basically the design of the oversight function in Congress right now, which is a feckless and useless branch when they don't ever, you know, change budgets or affect funding streams or shut anything down.
We basically allow members to go out and make these announcements of, hey, I'm sending a letter or I'm going to have this hearing, and that becomes the reward in and of itself.
And we've lost sight that the real goal here Is is consequences and results, particularly in the de weaponization of government.
And we saw this election cycle, you know, the past one, we're supposed to have a red wave, which obviously wasn't coming because they changed the election rules so much in 2020 that even when the right has control of an organ of government in the House of Representatives.
The weaponization has gotten way, way worse because now there's this token opposition that lends some legitimacy to a check and balance on it.
But in reality, it's an accelerant.
This House of Representatives is accelerating what Biden is getting away with by continuing to fund it at every step of the way.
Because ultimately, and this is what it all came down to, Ukraine money was more important to them than was saving our own republic.
And that was the tradeoff Speaker Johnson made when he sacrificed any border security in that deal, but also any actual cuts to end the lawfare.
And then you get congressmen going on TV saying, oh, we're going to defund them next time.
You just wait.
September 30th, we're going to defund it.
And there was a whole news cycle.
Hey, they're back.
Hey, they're back!
They're fighting.
Oh my gosh, they woke up.
Let's go.
And then two days ago, or last week rather, an announcement comes out.
Hey, we're not going to defund it.
It's not in the appropriations bill.
It's just some rabble rousing.
And so they basically buy off the base with these people we send out who, you know, think that they're fighting for them.
But they're really just the beard, if you will.
We send these guys out to pretend we're fighting, but it's back to business as usual.
So the base, I think, has woken up to this.
If you're on social media or any of the shows, even Fox News hosts are calling out the ineffectiveness of it.
And so I think we're going to get over that first hurdle of fixing the reward cycle for our leadership class, and then we can really start fighting back.
But we don't have the team to fight back right now.
All right, I want to do a little bit of retrospective to yesterday I talked about where I think some of the mechanics of the Republic kind of started failing, we kind of took about the skeleton that exists, but you're a realistic guy.
And you're kind of a real world where the rubber meets the road kind of guy.
When do you think the Republic got off track?
And I'm curious, and why is it mechanical?
Is it values?
Where does it live?
Right, this is a great question.
I was really enjoying our kind of back and forth on this before.
Okay, here's how, thematically, I'm going to give you one answer then point to it a couple times.
So thematically, the United States is founded, what made it so unique is for the first time it's, you know, a sovereign nation with the government accountable to the people.
We all know the origin story.
It was, you know, designed at that time to be very protective in nature, you know, due to our geography and, you know, the diffuse amount of different colonies and states and power was supposed to be spread around.
All of that.
That's the origin story of the U.S.
When do we really start to get away from it?
Obviously, in the Wilson years, with the growth of the administrative state, we basically invented a new form of government.
But then something else happened that changed the national psyche away from a, I'll call it a Washingtonian focus of, you know, we're here to protect our people, stay out of foreign conflicts, And to really be a government in service and accountable to our own people.
And I think that's when our elites, and it's not just elites of the United States, but due to pressure from other international points, basically decided that the highest end of the United States was to be a actor on world political stage.
And I think this really blows up in the entry into World War I, which was based on a lot of lies.
This is the same period where our government started lying to us on a massive scale.
I mean, when we talk about the myth of the Lusitania being sunk as like a passenger ship, it was carrying arms to the Brits.
Basically, a war that the US people didn't want to get involved in.
Our elites were subversively getting the United States involved in it and forcing our hand.
The same thing happened for World War II.
You know, 90% of the country wanted no business in that foreign European war.
But Roosevelt and other elites and, you know, the foreign influence operations, particularly from the UK and others who wanted us to be in Berlin, that conflict got us in there.
Then you look at Vietnam, the same major lie was told.
We had no chance of winning that.
Look at Iraq, the lie about weapons of mass destruction.
And I see all this playing out right now with Ukraine.
You have a ruling class of elites that are international in nature, who have basically
Co-opted the first family as an asset and they impeached the last president over the lies based off of this and we have basically unauthorized Strikes now occurring from Ukraine into Russia with with US weapons and they're just pushing us into another global, you know Catastrophic European foreign war but it's when the government started lying to us at scale because their highest end was kind of playing world politics as opposed to living in limited service and
To the American people only and protecting us is when it really went off the rails.
And so I'll point to World War One as kind of the start of that massive trend.
The question is, why did Americans who are kind of a robust and strapping people sort of self-reliant and also independent minded and, you know, critical thinkers as a sort of a national ethos, why did we accept that at that time?
And did that go off the rails at some point as well?
Right, because this is a fiscal propaganda operation.
I mean, the polling on this is really stark.
And, you know, who really dove down deep into this is former President Herbert Hoover, who is so blind by history, but like he kind of called all these things out for what it's worth, his economic record aside.
But the reason why the American people went along with it is because they were forced into a situation where, you know, presented with, oh, they sunk one of our ships.
We've been attacked.
Same thing with Pearl Harbor, right?
Same thing with weapons of mass destruction.
The propaganda builds.
And if you don't get public consensus on foreign actions, you have to resort to these types of major events to point to.
And I'm sure you're familiar with Operation Northwoods.
I mean, this is kind of the biggest example of the federal government proposing a false flag operation to get then JFK into Cuba.
They wanted to blow up a passenger ship as a means to say, oh, look, things are heating up in Cuba.
Now we need to go in there.
The government's capacity to lie about major things, particularly events on the world stage, And particularly events where, you know, our bravest men and, you know, women who go over there and have to die on the basis of these lies.
Those become the highest interests.
And you see that in the House of Representatives now when we talk about the unit party.
These guys want to be involved in these conversations about world politics.
They feel like they're in the Mickey Mouse Club.
They get the little pen on their, you know, their coat lapel.
They get to go into the skiff.
They get to play mini-secretary of state.
They don't care about these issues that you and I care about.
They view themselves to be these more important world event movers and shakers.
So I saw Jamal Bowman out there, he had a pretty catastrophic loss in his primary, but the things he was trying to talk about were ceasefire now, which is not really the purview of congressmen.
How much of it do you think is Americans sort of not understanding the civics that are at play and not understanding the way that our government actually works?
And how much of it is just pure manipulation?
They're just counting on us not paying attention at all.
And you know, that people just kind of remain asleep.
Right.
So they've absolutely over a period of decades now have destroyed the civic fabric of this country where we can have an informed populace.
If you read the founders closely, I mean, this is what they articulated that this form of government only works for a virtuous people and a people who are well informed.
And that's why the last project of taking over the media is so destructive.
And then you add on to that the destruction of the education system where most people don't even understand.
How the system is intended to operate in the history underpinning it, and they're actually taught to resent it.
And then you throw on to that the decline of religion and the attacks on religion and the things that bind us.
To be a nation, it's not just this economic trading zone with the boundary around it.
It's that people have shared values, history, and language.
And then on that last point, look what's happened with, you know, since 1965, but particularly way accelerated in the Biden years, They have flooded this country with new demographics for the purposes of changing the composition of the country for their preferred electoral outcomes.
That's at its essence what this is.
It's destroying the fabric of the United States.
We do not assimilate.
In fact, it is frowned upon to even suggest that people abandon their previous cultures and accept the American one.
That is racist today.
But that is the plan to destroy it.
And when you destroy all those things, The ability of Americans to actually fight back and retake this country is so much more difficult.
And then we'll get to a white bill later, but just two more little black bills.
We're going to change the entire election system for like in 2020 people need to realize it is a fundamentally different system where ballots are collected instead of votes.
And that's why ultimately it doesn't matter who's on the top of the ticket.
It is about machine politics, being able to go out and collect ballots.
And this election cycle, there are going to be millions of more that are out there.
For illegal aliens that Biden went in that could be collected and filled out, and then when you neuter the law to no longer be a neutral instrument, and you have the FBI acting as the enforcement arm of the Democratic Party, you lose basically the guardrails to actually fight back and protect against this stuff.
One more maybe hard-nosed question as far as the mechanics of this thing.
What do you see the reasons, and you worked at DHS, so you've got some, you know, instinct into what the IC looks like and, you know, organizations like FBI.
Why does the political left need to target faith communities?
Why do they need to go after that religion, that value system you talked about earlier?
Versus just ignoring it like it's been around like even as a kid, I think 90% of Americans identified with some faith tradition and now it's down below 60.
So like, why do they target that?
And why are they trying to erode that away?
Right?
It's because it's frankly a religious war.
The left in their absence and refusal to accept, you know, Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior have replaced that hole inside of them with an ideology.
We can call it whatever we want, whether it's woke ideology, Progressivism, whatever.
This is why they justify things like the imprisonment, and you know, frankly, they would be okay with physical harm to President Trump or Supreme Court justices, or physical harm to other, you know, people protesting at abortion clinics.
For them, it is a battle between what they consider to be their religion.
Ideology has moved up to that place.
The human soul and condition requires some sort of, you know, grasp on a fundamental higher power, and when they've rejected God, They filled that void with something else that cannot coexist with organized religion and God.
Do you think that progressive leftism or wokeism or whatever we want to call that actually qualifies as a bona fide religion under sort of like a Title VII analysis of it, the sincerely held belief standard that we have in the civil rights codes?
Absolutely not.
No, of course, we should never give them that level of protection because it's not.
It's not a religion.
It's a replacement.
It's a transgendering of an ideological system.
into something else.
But if you really peel back kind of their justifications for why they do what they do, their appeals are, you know, to this shifting defensive democracy or Trump's got a handmade tail, the U.S., all these just outrageous fever dream type things that frankly are basically their heaven and hell situations.
And so therefore any of their behaviors to get to one place or the other are justified.
That is why these evil actions, frankly demonic actions, That they're taking in their mind are virtuous and right.
And so that's that's where we're at.
I think that is where we're at.
I want to get into the white pills, the kind of the hope and maybe the mechanics of what the Oversight Project is involved in.
We're going to do that right after this.
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All right, and we are back with Mike Howell.
He is the Executive Director of the Oversight Project at the Heritage Foundation.
We're going to talk about why conservatives should be rooting for Joe Biden, at least to stay in the race.
Let's kind of break that down.
First of all, what's the argument of him leaving?
Is there such a thing?
The argument for him leaving is that he can't do the job and he'd get absolutely blown out by President Trump.
I think that's pretty much the 1A and all the way through 10B.
Wasn't that actually sort of play into making a stronger opponent then at that point?
Yeah, it absolutely does.
I mean, I don't think any political analysis on the left would say that, you know, Biden stands a better chance than any of these other kind of groomed replacements who are, you know, functionally probably not any generational type candidate, but at least can speak coherently.
Sure.
So Napoleon, I think, is where it's attributed, but something to the effect of never interrupt the enemy when they're making a mistake.
It looks like a lot of conservatives are sort of advocating for that that movement, that interruption of this sort of horrific downstream mistake that they've already made.
You guys were months and months ahead of this in your analysis.
You want to talk about what you found as you started looking down the line?
Yeah, absolutely.
So about four months ago, like we're well onto the fact that Biden is, you know, like the rest of the country is aware of rapidly declining.
And so really thinking through what the mechanics of such a switch out would look like.
And there's two separate processes that I think people should understand.
One is the convention and party nominating process.
That is a separate and distinct thing from the ballot access issue.
You know, whether the name is printed on the ballot.
The former certainly informs the latter, and in some states is, you know, determinative.
But when you have 50 different states, they all have different rules, procedures, and laws surrounding this.
And so what we did is we went out and studied each and every one, and basically tried to outline the situation for if they were either to, one, Biden withdrawal, Or the other term is a substitution, which is what it sounds like, you know, someone else takes his place and that the short of it is it is extraordinarily complex and many states will have opportunities for litigation to ensure that a clean switch cannot be made.
There are timeline issues.
Like in Texas, it has to be 71 days out.
In Maine, I think it's the second Monday of July if they want to do a withdrawal, fourth Monday if they want to do a substitution.
In Nevada, you got to have it by the fourth Friday.
And so think about this replicated over 50 states.
Also, some of them have conditions.
It's not just, hey, we've been trying to hide the fact that the emperor has no clothes.
We want a new guy because we think we can win.
There are actual reasons that have to be met.
In a lot of these states, it is, you know, incapacitated and completely unable to do the job.
So it's really hard to imagine a scenario where Joe Biden admits that.
And the secondary effect of Think of how many federal agents and officers, officials, have made public or official statements supporting Joe Biden's mental fitness.
And so then the House of Cards, if they were to say, admit that, it's not just Joe that goes down.
You have a bunch of people who are forever tarnished by supporting that lie.
And I'm not just talking about the media.
I'm talking about people who hold security clearances and others who frankly will show themselves in any fair government to be completely unfit for service for supporting one of the biggest lies in American history.
For me, you know, just on the emotional level of that, that's got to be the biggest piece, that you're admitting not only tacitly that the last three and a half years have been a joke that we all kind of knew, but maybe even that the candidacy in 2019, the basement campaign in 2020, all of those are inappropriate, that they were all a lie, and you're kind of owning all of it with one move.
Aren't you also saying if you got to pull him out of the race that he probably can't actually even finish the term?
Yeah, absolutely.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
It's not like we were predicting he will be fully incapacitated by January 20th of next year.
The whole country saw it.
But let's tease out for a second what this actually looks like, because this is where it gets really interesting.
Every state becomes a swing state at that point, because if you have to run as a write-in candidate, that fundamentally changes the operations.
The changes that illegally happened in 2020, where we moved into ballot collection, think about how much easier it is to collect a Scantron ballot and just fill out a circle.
Or to do that on scale at 3 in the morning with a bunch of, you know, boxes being dropped after the pipe breaks in Georgia.
Now think if you had to switch that entire operation to then generating false ballots with a write-in name on it.
You're gonna have handwriting issues.
It just makes the operation a lot more difficult.
And so the white pill there is, it limits their capacity to cheat substantially if they have to move to a write-in candidate.
Also, there could be dueling writing candidates.
We think Hillary Clinton, if Michelle really wants it and Hillary really wants it, do you see a truce brewing there?
I don't.
You can see a lot of people being scorned if Kamala is passed over as a potential first half-black president.
Or second half-black presidency would be.
That wouldn't be okay with just voting for Hillary at that point, so Cornel West could become a name that gets tossed around.
You could see how this could breed a lot of discontent over who the right-hand candidate would be, and their cheating operation would be made much more difficult by our litigation.
A lot of what we see is this really unified left almost all the time.
Like they're always marching forward, even if forward is against their own interests, they still do it.
This cycle, I see something kind of fun with the story that's broken out in the support for Hamas, which is at odds with the support for Israel.
We saw these factions actually going almost every rally, every fundraiser.
There's a pro-Hamas segment that's out in the streets that are screaming about it.
And they have this sort of Marxist smoothie of nonsense where the queers for Palestine are out there with the people that are worried about racism.
I don't know how it works together.
This would be like a much bigger faction driven or maybe a bigger fissure in that party, but we don't normally see that it's kind of an interesting opportunity.
It seems like yeah, it absolutely is.
I mean the left's coalition is basically a top-down coalition of the the uber wealthy rich and powerful and then the bottom.
Where they try to create conflict and racial disunity and unite all these camps.
And so when we see kind of conflicts between those camps, I think we should remind ourselves, it's not a conflict as much as it is a hierarchy.
For their hierarchy, the highest level is an African-American man.
And then maybe next is an African-American woman.
That is why the stars are always George Floyd or Michael Brown.
And beneath that, you start going down and racial groups are prioritized over each other.
Like Hispanics are a higher priority for the left.
than Asians.
They really think this way.
And then beneath them are Jewish Americans.
And so that's why, when you see anyone approaching kind of a brown or a person of color, they're going to outrank Jewish Americans and win every fight within the Democratic Party's, you know, overall kind of structure.
And so it's not as much conflict as it is just hierarchy.
And why people go along with this is absolutely beyond me.
You know, at the very bottom you have, I would argue, trans now outranks gay for them, if there's a conflict between trans and gay.
They would choose the trans.
And then the lowest left behind are the disabled.
They don't, you know, much talk about the disabled anymore, which to me is surprising because we have the first disabled really, mentally at least, president in the history.
So where is the AARP?
Where are the, you know, disabled advocacy groups?
They aren't even supporting Biden because frankly I think he's embarrassing a lot of seniors right now.
There are a lot of seniors that are at that age.
I worked as a paramedic for a while, so I got to see people in various stages of decline.
You've probably seen this too.
There are 60-year-olds that are devastated and they could barely, you know, keep themselves together.
And there are people in their 90s that are helping the 60-year-olds that are out there volunteering for Meals on Wheels, something I saw when I was in an emergency room.
So, that's a really interesting point, the disabled president moment.
And we saw that pretty clearly at the end of that debate as they walked off the stage.
Donald Trump basically fist-bumped and then rolled out and jumped into a limo and went and did a rally.
Joe Biden basically got carted off in a wheelchair and had to go over to a Waffle House.
So how much of this is you guys have done the analysis?
Obviously, you're doing the hard work, which I think is what Republicans are pretty good at doing.
They do the nuts and bolts.
They go out there and gather the information.
It seems like the harder thing is actually taking the shot.
What are the shots you guys are lining up to take that analysis into operations if they either try to remove him or as a sort of preactive or proactive to keep him in that spot so we can go after the known issue here?
Right.
So much of this is fact-dependent, right?
Like, whatever their next move is will point us to the states that have the best options to react.
And so we've kind of divided and war-gamed out the situation as we see fit.
I don't want to give Mark Elias a heads-up as to what exact state that is, but I'll say we're focused in on about five or six that we think are absolutely right for this type of activity.
But again, it all depends when they do it and how they do it, for which state works best.
But that's not the only play we're running right now.
We're calling on state attorney generals and secretaries of states to discontinue this program that Biden's running right now where he's using your taxpayer dollars for the whole of government to do the get out the vote effort for the Joe Biden re-election campaign.
He's basically turned every welfare and services office and agency around the country into targeted voter registration and activation.
And so, like, we're suing all over the place.
We told Congress, by the way, at the beginning of the McCarthy era, if there is one thing you can defund, it should be this, because this has the capacity to activate three million voters solely for the left.
That's the number that they put out there.
Taxpayer funded through and through.
For example, like in Michigan, they have these job sites, Small Business Administration.
And so Biden's withheld all these trillions of dollars in programs that he wants to put out into the economy to juice it right before the election.
And when those dollars and programs and everything hit constituents in a face-to-face manner via the government, it'll be in targeted deep blue areas where those same people are being activated to vote for Joe Biden.
And they're doing this in prisons very actively.
Native American reservations, we caught them actually sending to the schools in the reservations packets for the kids to go home and beg their parents to vote for Joe Biden.
And so their creativity in this is just insane.
This is an Obama and Susan Rice program.
They're rolling out through the federal government.
Republicans funded it about six times over, if my math's correct, despite us saying, you're just going to, you know, guarantee a rigged election if you do this.
And so now secretaries of state can kick them out.
We're hoping somebody steps up, but ultimately it's action is, is in short supply on the right.
And that's why we started a law firm basically to sue because We can't rely on anyone else to do it.
No, I think that checks out too, unfortunately.
If you want it done, you gotta do it yourself.
There's this sort of Isaiah 6-8 moment.
It's like, you know, who shall I send?
And, you know, Isaiah looks around and there's only one guy standing there in the cave, so you're up.
And you guys are up there for Heritage, so good for you.
I guess the question is, yesterday I proposed the idea that you don't get fat overnight.
We didn't get messy overnight.
You just talked about World War I or II, rather, and I just was kind of taking it back into the 19-teens.
We've had a 100-year, maybe only an 80-year slide into this mess.
How long do you think it takes to get cleaned up?
And what do you give our chances are if you had to look in a crystal ball and start prognosticating or do the 538 numbers?
Where are your odds lay?
And how do you how do you feel about America as a country?
Right.
So I would say this election cycle is going to be too big to rig.
That's the white pill.
There is a limit to the capacity to cheat.
Post-COVID, it's a little harder functionally for them to go out and collect ballots, why people aren't trapped in their homes, the address records are shoddy, it's just a more difficult environment.
That being said, several advancements have been made by the left in their election rigging capacity.
If I had to put a number on it, I would say that's around 5-6% that they can affect the number.
Of course, if they wanted to go nuclear in a way that nobody would believe, who knows?
Maybe they'll push that number up.
But fundamentally, I think that is an overcomable number right now if you look at what's happening in the election cycle.
And so, should the election cycle go to conservatives, steps need to be immediately made in two areas primarily.
One is the border.
I mean, let's look at the word democracy, demos, people, grassy rules, something like that.
Never do Latin on the fly, but that's fine.
I do the same thing.
They've changed the people of the country without the rule, right?
In violation of the rule, they change the people.
And so we need to get back through a mass deportation program and a securing of the border that I think will Preserve election integrity where Americans can actually decide these elections themselves moving forward.
And then second is basically the return to neutrality of the instruments of law and law enforcement.
And so that is cleaning house and starting from complete stretch, not only of the FBI, but the intelligence agencies are really, they get away with a lot that we don't talk about as much as we talk about with the FBI.
And I think it's once you fix those two things, you kind of return self-rule a little bit or the potential for it.
And now when we give the potential for it back to the people, the projects out of rebuilding education and civic understanding and national commonality are of such huge importance, as well as civil society and the restoration of religious life, which I think is coming back in the United States.
When you do all those things at once, I think you return to a people that want to be governed in the way that this country was designed to be.
And so that's how I see the future after I take my white pill.
I like the white pill.
I like the pharmacy.
Folks, if you're not familiar with this, there are all these little analogies that people have come up with after watching The Matrix, which I watched when I was a kid in high school.
And you learn that there's a blue pill where you just go to sleep, a red pill that gives you, you know, the reality of it, but it's kind of awful.
The white pill makes you have a little bit of hope.
So I appreciate a little bit of that hope.
Let's Let's throw one more wild card, because I want to throw this against you and see what you think.
I have this sense that the political left did not drive up to the cliff at 100 miles an hour with their foot pinned on the gas to not go over the edge.
And that over the edge, that's why the screaming keeps happening about the decision of Trump v. USA, where they're talking about presidential immunity.
They want Jack Smith to be successful.
They were able to get a little bit by the goalie, let's say, out in New York.
Do we see a reality of Donald Trump being put in either a state or a federal prison in any meaningful way?
And if so, is there even a counter move to something like that?
Yeah, well, first things first on whether they do it.
I think we have to look at their track record, which is at every stage accelerating and going one step further.
And the optics of this are so important for them.
As you can see, just like their whole messaging machine concentrated on convicted felon, right?
Or the mugshot which blew up in their face.
And so don't underestimate their need for symbolic type victories.
And so what I think that means for Trump and potential prison is they want to see him in a jumpsuit or in cuffs or behind bars, even if it's momentarily right.
And I don't think they get that with just a house arrest.
They need some sort of, you know, humiliation event that they think, which actually will backfire because The people who want the humiliation of that are the fever dream crazy ones who are on their side anyways.
The middle of this country doesn't want to see that.
And so that's where I see it ending up in the New York case is they're going to figure out a way to slap some cuffs on them and take a bad picture.
Counter assault.
Yes, we've put out the plan here and have been begging, begging.
Unfortunately, right now, the people with legal authority in this country are the United States Congress and state's attorneys general.
Congress, after the Trump verdict, came out and said, oh, we're really going to step up the oversight and investigations.
And they haven't done that.
And what we've been doing is explaining to the American people that there are things that Congress can do but won't do.
And that's appointing a special legislative council that's taking all these powers the House has, and instead of just giving some funny gavels out to four guys, to hold meetings once a week, why not hire somebody with the full power to go out and force subpoenas, depose them, and then, you know, use the inherent contempt as necessary.
Inherent contempt meaning arresting folks for noncompliance.
Scale these efforts in an area of geographic diversity, where all the lawfare is occurring.
Do it in the areas where the election interference is occurring.
Do it at scale.
We're made to celebrate the announcement of a very late lawsuit yesterday against Merrick Garland, who frankly should have been, you know, suited and held in contempt On day one of this Congress.
And the real practical effect of that lawsuit is it undermines other ongoing litigation efforts that we're leading.
And so we need to be screaming bloody murder to the American people that there are things Congress can do.
They are not doing it.
Do not celebrate the announcement of process and the lack of actual results.
Let's actually celebrate beginning a fight back.
Mike Howell, Executive Director over at The Oversight Project, and one of the guys that really gets it.
I love hearing that you and I have the same sort of instinct that letters and process is not to be celebrated.
We want outcomes at this point.
Where can people support the work and what you're doing and what's the best place to follow you?
Absolutely.
At Oversight PR, that's the letters PR, and then I'm at mhowelltweets for the PG-13 content.
That's the PG-13.
The more aggressive stuff is over at the Oversight PR.
You guys follow zero people, by the way, on social media.
I like that.
That just says, like, we're 100% focused on doing the leading and not following anybody.
It's good stuff.
I have a little fun.
We follow you on my personal account.
That's where I get my Kyle.
I know it.
And I don't begrudge anybody.
Thanks so much for joining me, Mike.
I hope people follow you over there and you guys stay in it because we need it.
Thanks, man.
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Hope that was informative.
I hope that was enlightening.
And I hope that actually gave you hope.
That's the second time I've advised.
I want to hope for hope.
This country needs prayer.
This country needs a reason to keep going on.
And those of us that are on the conservative side, who've seen an awful lot of losses in the last three and a half years, we're starting to see some big wins.
They're happening in the Supreme Court.
They're happening in the news cycle.
And they're happening because of these self-inflicted wounds that Democrats continue to take on.
Voluntarily, by the way.
No one said they had to run Joe Biden a second time.
They decided to do it, and thankfully, they've gotten so far down.
I think, as you heard from Mike, there's not an easy way for them to shift horses.
That substitution is going to be debilitating, and moreover, there is, in fact, a plan, which we all keep hoping someone else is going to come up with.
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I want to kind of shift gears a little bit and talk about why we want to keep Joe Biden where he's at.
He gave a speech last night.
It was absolutely atrocious.
He did a disastrous debate performance last week.
Everybody started buzzing.
Even the New York Times came forward.
Their editorial board said Joe Biden must be removed.
You had folks down in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, I believe it's called, and they were saying, he deserves better than this.
Well, I'm not really sure that he does.
Going back to 1987, the man has been lying on the public stage and was unfit for the office of presidency in the 80s.
He's still unfit today, even if he's holding it.
But we've exposed these factions, these rifts, these fissures that we've never seen, at least not in my modern memory, of the left not being able to keep it together to keep consensus.
So one side of the leftist kind of movement is pushing against Joe Biden aggressively because of his handling with Israel and Palestine, the Gaza Strip, Hamas, and so on.
That's one group.
Another group thinks that there is a better opportunity to advance a candidate that has a higher electoral probability, that doesn't have such low ratings, like you're seeing Joe Biden getting less than a third of people think he's out there.
But a third of people is still a lot.
I mean, I want you to think about meeting folks.
Every one in three of them thinks Joe Biden's doing a decent job.
Who are these people?
It just means they're not paying attention.
And luckily, that means that they're trying to compensate right now.
So Joe Biden was marched out in front of a podium, To a room that sounded basically empty based on the hollow echoes that I heard in the recordings.
And he spoke to a teleprompter, shifting his eyes from left to right and left to right, looking like every bit the animatronic puppet that he seems to be.
And he went right back to the playbook that Democrats think that they can win on.
It's not a winning message, but it is their message.
I actually have a pad of paper that sits next to me on my podcast desk here.
And I write down, on a regular basis, whenever a new technique pops up.
There's not very many techniques on here, folks.
They go back to the same drawing board.
They think that we need to have...
The gay agenda for all and that government should be involved in it.
We just saw the wrap-up of Pride Month.
If you follow any social media, you saw that the ATF, who I was lambasting yesterday, the FBI, my ex-girlfriend, my former employer, marching in a pride parade in San Francisco where men were doing sex acts in public and doing public urination on each other.
Just absolutely the lowest forms of debauchery.
Sort of end of empire type stuff.
They also think that abortion for all is a winner.
It's strange, as I saw pointed out by some pro-life advocates.
All of the people that are 100% behind the abortion issue are all people that have already been born.
But that's where Democrats are going to their well.
They're also going to make the claim that everyone is racist, and Joe Biden did that in his speech as well.
Racism is everywhere in America, and yet we should have an open border somehow, and bring everybody in here so they can all be subjected to said racism.
It's not logical.
It doesn't make sense.
Again, the party has many, many disagreements with itself.
Usually they're able to overcome that with what we call cognitive dissonance.
They just put that to the back and they keep marching forward.
But now, for once, because the person that is leading them is so weak, so frail, and so unable to get his arms around this sort of coalition of the weird, he can't actually get them to hold together.
It's not functional.
And so we are seeing those cracks in a way that hasn't existed.
And the last one, of course, is the open border.
They've gone back to talking about how Donald Trump said the words, black jobs, like somehow that is some inherently racist idea.
Even though, for all of American history, as wave after wave after wave of immigrants hit our shores, people from each ethnic group, from each location and country that joined en masse, they all found jobs in certain niches.
There's a reason why the Irish filled up law enforcement ranks for so long.
There's a reason why we think of people building the railroad across the entire continent.
Many of them were Chinese, they came in here and they died.
This is a thing that happened.
People come into this country.
There is historical animosity between Blacks and Irish.
This has always been the way.
People who come in at the bottom wrong, look at those who are one step above them, and they envy, and they are jealous of what they have, and it creates this natural enmity.
That's okay.
Those all actually shake out in the wash.
You don't hear a lot of Irish people mad at black people simply because they are fighting for the same jobs.
That changes over a period of generations.
That's the American dream.
That is the progress that continues to happen in real America.
And the real progress is not one of trying to advance equality and DEI and all these other nonsensical things.
The real progress of America is that our kids have it better, that they are more educated, more enlightened, more loving, and they have more opportunities than those who came before them.
This is probably the first generation where my children are looking down the line and seeing less opportunity than before.
But if we could follow things like what Mike said in the Heritage Project, this oversight idea, we can actually take some of the hard steps.
There are hard steps in governments that can be done.
It takes a lot of will, but mostly it takes knowing what it is and then taking the shot, not letting perfect be the enemy of good enough.
It's one of the reasons that I love my wife so much.
She has pushed me to do the thing that I do, and her answer was, look, you're not going to be great right off the bat.
Republicans don't need to be perfect right now.
Conservatives need to demand outcomes, moving the ball forward.
We can get away with grounders.
We can get away with getting those singles and doubles.
We don't have to hit a home run on every single hit.
And so that's the first step.
I want to bring something else to your attention that is kind of strange, and it may not seem like it makes a lot of sense in this particular gambit, but I think it does.
The Tennessee Star was attacked.
They were brought into court by a local judge who was trying to get them to do what's called prior restraint.
That's censorship before publishing.
The reason that we know about the so-called Tranefesto, or the manifesto of the shooter at the Covenant School outside of Nashville, is because the Tennessee Star published documents that were leaked to them.
Now they have a right to do that.
It's interesting coming on the heels of Julian Assange being released and given kind of a sweetheart deal so he can go back to Australia.
This kind of reporting is what makes America move the ball forward.
And they are at it again, and they are also talking about how there are some transcribed interviews sharing that Audrey Hale, who was the shooter at that school, was attempted or had the attempt to commit her involuntarily for mental or psychiatric care three times, but she managed to avoid it.
If we don't have reporters pushing the envelope and holding the powerful to account, we should have known this story over a year ago.
We should have known this story in the couple weeks following that shooting as people grasped for answers.
The political left hopes that these firestorms will die down, that the interest will go away, and that Americans will be disengaged and not pay attention.
And in the same way that they hope that this story of Audrey Hale, a transgender confused person who went and killed children and adults who were simply going to a religious school, that same sort of sense is what they hope will happen with this failed election or this failed debate that happened in front of Donald Trump and an empty room on CNN.
is to get engaged.
That's what the Oversight Project is all about.
That's what this interview discussion today is about.
And the key is that you have to actually do America.
America as an action verb.
There is nothing more helpful than that as we come up on the birthday of this country 248 years ago.
Breaking away from the British crown.
And they decided that America would be an action verb right then.
They didn't have those concepts as much, but we can say it.
You must do America.
You must see the America you want and then live as though it will be that.
And so that continues to give me white pills to make me feel hopeful.
And I hope it makes you feel hopeful too as we approach this.
I hope you are planning something very fun.
Already made the plans to take my kids and let them stay out late and see those explosions in the sky that I saw and your parents saw before.
The things that Americans can all get together, whether we're on the left or on the right, we can realize that this is a great place.
And while we may disagree about some policies, at the end, the values are actually shared by the vast majority of those who are your neighbors.
So I hope you meet them.
I hope you know them.
And I hope you guys can Have a peaceful coexistence as we try to structure this country for the best outcomes.
Go out there and do America today.
Thanks so much for joining me.
We've got another great guest talking about maybe the biggest single curse in the cultural realm.
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