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March 25, 2024 - Dinesh D'Souza
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A DANGEROUS ROAD Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep797
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I'm Kyle Serafin, in for Dinesh D'Souza today.
As a former FBI agent, I've always had a big focus in my life on law and order and doing things the right way.
We currently have an unprecedented movement of people over our southern border, and with it has come a massive increase in the criminal enterprise that's been involved.
I have to ask what's going on there.
I'm curious. Are people of the world simply mistaken American kindness for weakness, or is there some sort of 3D chess game that is afoot at this point?
Could it just be the cognitive dissonance of the political left where they tout compassion, but in fact are just forgetting the fact that we actually have our own poor, homeless, and working poor in this country?
To talk about this and a little bit more, we're going to have on an investigative journalist from Muckraker.com, a man by the name of Anthony Rubin, who has walked the walk from Ecuador to the U.S., from the Darien Gap to our southern border.
And he's gone behind the closed doors with the illegal aliens to try to capture the actual story of what's going on and not just what our mainstream and accepted news media has put out there.
I think you're going to find a very interesting conversation with someone who's quite passionate about this particular situation.
And we're going to get into the nuance of what it might mean and why it continues to go on.
I actually think there's a deeper game afoot, even if the left doesn't realize where it could lead.
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All right, folks, so we've got a little conversation we're going to have today about the border and the crisis that exists therein.
I'm going to bring on a journalist that spent a lot of time covering it, and he's doing a great job.
You can find him on xatrealmuckraker, and you can find his website, which is muckraker.com.
This is Anthony Rubin.
Welcome to the Dinesh D'Souza podcast.
How you doing, buddy? I'm doing great, man.
Thank you for having me on. I know we talked a little while back.
I want to kind of give the audience kind of a glimpse into your lens, the way you see the world.
Can you tell us a little bit about where you're from, how you grew up, and then why journalism?
For sure, yeah. So I'm from Long Island, New York, originally.
I grew up in New York up until I went to school in Buffalo.
So I was there until I was 22 years old.
And how I got into journalism, you know, I always had an idea that I would get into something political, right?
Just because there was so much that went on.
As soon as I became at all politically inclined, like when I was 14 or 15 years old and my uncle taught me about the Federal Reserve and how it's a private banking system that controls these fictitious Federal Reserve notes that have no value.
Whatever. You already know, right?
I don't have to repeat this. I'm sure your audience does.
But once I started learning about that, that was like kind of my first entry into politics.
I was like, okay, at some point in my life, I got to do something involved with politics.
I didn't know what it was going to be. And then I was living in Los Angeles after I graduated college.
I was working in tech.
And, you know, 2020 comes around and they lock us in our homes and tell us we cannot go outside without a mask and forcing everybody to get shots.
And I was like, I don't have a million dollars to try to run for office to get against these people.
And even if I did, I don't know that I would do it because I'd be like some sort of AOC, right?
Need like no credentials, but we'll try to run for office.
So I thought, what can I do?
I have a camera and I'm a man that likes an adventure.
And so why not mesh the two?
Go out and start filming things and exposing what I think needs to be exposed.
And so that's what I did, man.
And the first thing I ever did was I went to quote-unquote George Floyd Square.
Like that area that he died that they turned into a communist autonomous zone.
And that was the first thing I did.
And then going to, you know, different Antifa events and Eventually, it was summer of 2021, I went down to the border for the first time, and things have snowballed off of that.
The instinct to go out there and do something, and that the microphone is maybe a lower bar than trying to get into office, I think that makes some sense to people.
Do you have any formal training in journalism school?
Did you get blessed off by the priesthood that exists to be a journalist the way that we keep hearing about people need to be?
I have a degree in computer science with a bachelor's in computer science with a minor in economics.
So as far as official credentials, that's all I got.
I talked to Matt Taibbi on this podcast before, and one of the things we always kind of laugh about is that there's this sense that you have to be an official journalist.
And even the government's kind of pushed that route, that if you're not a journalist that's been ordained by some major media organization, and then more and more, independent media is doing the win.
Do you see a decline in the sort of the mass media and this rise that we're seeing in independent for bringing truth to regular people?
A hundred percent. And I mean, I see it just as far as this idea that you need to have a degree in journalism.
I see a decline just in the need for degrees, period.
I can even get into what I do have a degree in.
Computer science, right? And tech.
You don't need a degree for that.
The only reason why you need a degree is because maybe if you have an employer that is looking for that as like a baseline qualification.
But I could say flat out that I got a pretty, a very prestigious tech job after college, right?
And, um... The only reason why I got that job was not because of the skills taught to me at the university.
No. It was because in college, I realized they weren't teaching me what I needed, and I decided to start building mobile applications by myself.
And it was only because I did it that I got the job.
And so my point in saying this is like, I think there's going to be a decline across the board of people getting these quote-unquote degrees that make you a quote-unquote expert.
And I think it's just going to be people that just have the courage or have the drive to go out and educate themselves and get their own credentials.
And they'll be picked up by people who realize, hey, this person brings something to the table.
Let's talk about your website. What kind of things are you guys covering?
What kind of spectrum are you covering on Muttbreaker?
I mean, primarily right now, it's the southern border, but it's pretty comprehensive, right?
I mean, it's not just people. We're not just going back and forth across the border watching people coming across.
I mean, we've done the whole thing from Ecuador all the way up to the United States.
And, you know, now we're exposing things stateside.
We just exposed, in conjunction with the Heritage Oversight Project, for example, this organization up in New York called La Jornada that's handing out We're good to go.
Let's go down to the bottom. Let's talk about Ecuador.
You guys took a trip down there.
You want to start with what is the Darien Gap, why we keep hearing that, and maybe start kind of progressing and we'll walk it up to the actual American side of our border.
Yeah, absolutely. So what I did with my brother this past fall was we decided nobody has ever, or to the best of our knowledge, we hadn't seen anybody actually take the whole track from Quito, Ecuador, all the way to the United States border and document it. So that's what we wanted to do. And so what happened, so the reason why you started Ecuador is because basically the whole world, everybody that is taking the route to the United States by way of the Darien Gap, that's not everybody. I mean, some people fly directly into Mexico
Obviously, that would be more advantageous.
But everybody who can't do that, the people who are going through the Dairy Gap, most of them fly through, most if not all of them fly to Ecuador.
The reason why they do is because that has the world's easiest entry card.
So you can be from any country, basically, land in Ecuador and be set loose.
And you can't say that about a lot of other countries.
That's why you can't do that in Mexico, for example.
You actually have to have a pre-approved visa.
That's why most people can't just fly directly into there.
Of course, they will if they can. But they're from Ecuador.
You start trekking, then you go to Colombia.
For example, you'll be in Tito, that's where you land.
And then you start trekking to Colombia, but you stop.
One of the towns that all these quote-unquote migrants stop at is a town called Tolkien.
And that's on the border of Ecuador and Colombia.
And this town Every NGO that you can think of that's aiding and abetting this whole invasion of the United States is there in Tolkien.
The United Nations actually hands out maps of the town of Tolkien.
It's like a treasure map where it shows every single NGO and government organization that you basically stop at.
Like a treasure map. You just go boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Stop at all these different organizations.
Get your maps. Get your food packages.
Get legal assistance.
Whatever else you might need. Then you keep going, man.
And then you go to Colombia and beyond. It sounds like a career fair that you see in a college where it's like, here's your new light.
Come here and get all these little pamphlets and figure it out and map it out and then they're going to give you goodie bags that are full.
What are some of the things that are being handed out there?
Like I said, for example, you see the World Food Organization in there.
They're handing out these giant food packages, maps, all sorts of maps.
There's this group called R4V, Refugees for Venezuela, and then you can translate that to Espanol.
They hand out maps of different countries.
They actually hand out Ecuador maps, Colombia maps.
Then, of course, you've got HIAS, you've got Doctors Without Borders, you've got Norwegian Refugee Council, you have Red Cross, and there's plenty of others that are back on the timeline right now.
And yeah, hitting up maps, aid and instructions, healthcare from the Red Cross, legal instructions from Norwegian refugee capsules, that sort of thing.
You get the sense who's funding this?
Were you able to kind of determine that as you're walking around?
It's the United Nations.
The United Nations is the king daddy over this all.
And then, of course, a lot of these groups are non-profit organizations that, you know, they're charitable organizations, right?
So they get funding via donations like that.
So But a lot of them, though, still get funding federally and from the United Nations.
Of course, we know that the United Nations is backed primarily by the United States, of course.
So it all goes back to the United States and the United Nations funding this invasion, essentially.
Like, for example, highest in 2022, I believe, or 2023.
The year doesn't even matter. It's year over year.
But they got, like, $22 million, federal taxpayer dollars, right?
So that's just one example. So we're literally talking about the United States government, which is the U.S. taxpayer, funding our own invasion.
We keep hearing the word, and I think it's not wrong.
They're funding all these people coming up here.
What are the attitudes of those that are on this trek as they come up?
What do they think they're getting to, and what are they being promised, and does it seem like they're going to actually be able to get that based on what you know being from the U.S.? Yeah, you know, and I really hate to say it, but it's really a lot of times this arrogant, entitled attitude.
You know what I mean? Like, I'm going to the US, I'm going to be let in, and Joe Biden said he was going to help us, and he opened up the border, and, you know, I have a right to be there.
No, you don't, right?
I mean, your asylum claim is fictitious, or you don't have one, but that's what these people think, and they think that they just have a right to show up and throw themselves into the United States, and that we're going to accept them, and I mean, you see it, for example, you see these people getting angry up in New York and protesting and getting violent when they have to be shifted between hotels, right? Meanwhile, of course, you have thousands of homeless Americans that have nowhere to sleep.
So, I mean, what is that other than an entitled attitude, right?
I don't know what else to call it, right?
They're coming up here and they all know that they're going to get all sorts of benefits.
For example... You know, I was recently in New York and we got footage from inside a lot of these compounds.
Boy Bennett Field, Randall's Island, and the Royal Hotel talking to these people.
And they're all waiting to get enrolled in Social Security and Medicare.
Or Medicaid. That's what they're waiting for.
And then they just for granted.
They're not super thankful.
I don't even think it's crossing their mind.
Like, wow, I haven't paid one cent of tax dollars, but I'm somehow going to get all these benefits.
It's just for granted. They're waiting for it.
They're like, oh, it's taking too long. Let's talk about the journey up, starting in Ecuador.
What are the physical rigors that are involved or are people just jumping on a bus and then driving all the way out?
Well, Ecuador, to the mouth of the Darien Gap, it's not that big of a deal.
It's just, you know, taking buses, essentially.
But, yeah, I mean, I could talk to you about the Darien Gap.
I mean, so people can understand what it's like to cross that thing.
So, Darien Gap, I'm sure this audience is pretty much well aware at this point.
I mean, most people are starting to get acquainted with what that is.
But in case they're not, it's that thin strip of land that connects North and South America.
And Panama and Colombia.
And, um... It's uninhabited jungle.
And the reason why it was left like that and why there was never a major highway built through it was because the whole idea behind keeping it uninhabited was that you are going to basically be able to sequester any sort of issues that might pop up in North America or South America and you can localize it, right? So if there's a war or some sort of plague or whatever, right?
You'll make sure or you could help to minimize its spread, right?
By not having a highway going in intercontinental highway.
But now it's a major human trafficking smuggling route that thousands of people are taking every day.
And, you know, when I first was going to, when I was first thinking about crossing that thing, my biggest fear was running into bandits along the way.
And of course, there's plenty.
You will get jumped in there.
And I'll get into what I saw as far as the people that are in that jungle, these guys who are, you know, these indigenous people who spend their lives out there in the jungle, that they can move through that jungle in such an incredible way, where I'll be at my top speed.
Now, I'm an in-shape guy.
I mean, I have experience in the outdoors.
I've done some pretty incredible hikes.
And so I consider myself to be experienced outdoors.
I mean, and I thought I was ready for this thing.
I'm trekking through. And these guys, these indigenous people who start their lives out there, They just, they cruise by you.
They're not even trying. They cruise right by you.
Boom, boom, boom. They dart into the jungle.
You've never seen them again. So my point in saying all that is what?
Is that these people, these indigenous people that are out there, that grew up in these parts, who turn into bandits and who rob people in this jungle, if they rob you, they will, you won't even know that they're on your tail.
They'll come up behind you. You would have never seen them.
They'll rob you, and then in two seconds, bam, bam, bam, they're through the jungle.
You will never catch them. You'll never see them again.
That's how incredible it is. So, But I could keep rambling on.
So here's basically, at a high level, what you have going on here.
So I already explained the human trafficking route.
You have a different route through the Dari Gap.
You have Acandi and Capra.
There's more routes than the ones I'm going to list here, but I'll list the main ones.
You have Acandi and Capra Ganat.
Those are from Colombia.
So you enter on the Colombian side and you pop out in Panama.
Then there's this route called Coreto, and that's the route that we took.
That's the more expensive route.
It's the route that a lot of these special interest aliens are taking, people that with a little bit more money, like all Chinese people.
We saw Afghan, we saw Syrians, okay, these types of people.
Um, uh, it's basically you get smuggled by boat into Panama to the, uh, to the eastern coast of Panama to this indigenous village and then you trek east to west to Highway 1 in Panama.
So, and it's a lot quicker.
It's a route that takes two days as opposed to these other routes I've told you about take three to five days.
And along that route, you know, basically you have these tribespeople that are guiding you and they basically work to, and you pay them of course, and they work to make sure that you're not going to get jumped along the way because they want to basically keep crime to a minimum.
They don't want the Panamanian government coming in and getting involved or they hear about people dying or people getting robbed.
So they basically just, you show up at this indigenous village, you pay these people, these tribespeople, and they guide you all the way through to Highway 1.
And they make sure that you're okay.
But even on that route, people have died.
I mean, they were telling me that there have been flash floods and that people on that route have died.
They were telling me that some Chinese people had died a few months before I got there.
And in closing, if you take these other routes through Colombia, if we had taken these routes, it's almost a guarantee that we would have been robbed.
That's the wild, wild west.
Takes three to five days. You've got armed men in the jungle just waiting.
They just set traps and they just wait for a group to come through.
They pop out of nowhere.
They rob you, take everything you have, and they disappear back into the jungle.
You never see them again. That sounds wild.
Did you encounter people that had been hit by those bandits when you guys were landing?
We didn't. Yep, so after we popped out of the jungle into some of these refugee camps where everybody kind of combines, right, from the different routes, we're asking people, hey, did you encounter any...
Any of these criminals. And yeah, I mean, they're telling us, they're telling us stories of women that they encountered, like minors.
The horrible stuff that were raped, right?
Families who were going through that.
Everything they had was taken through them, and they barely made it out of the jungle.
That sort of thing. Yeah, and that's like, it sounds crazy, and of course it is.
But if you're down there and you're talking to people, that's a daily occurrence.
You'll hear that with every group that's popping out of these jungles that took those routes.
Wild. Truly wild.
Up next, we're going to be talking about who's coming up there.
We heard about these special interest alien groups that are coming in, and we're going to get a little bit more into what that cost looks like on the U.S. side.
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All right, and we're talking to Anthony Rubin of Muckraker.com.
If he looks familiar, if he sounds familiar, you may have heard him on Jesse Waters.
You may have heard him on Alex Jones.
He's been running around in the jungles of Panama in Ecuador and doing the route up the United States with illegal immigrant, aka migrants, if you want to listen to the Biden administration, who are coming to this country.
We just got a little bit of a touch, and I want to get deeper into who in the world is coming up here.
You said Afghans, you said Syrians, you said Chinese.
Let's talk about some of that. I mean, everybody's coming up here, right?
I'm not sure if there's a country that hasn't come into the United States by way of the southern border, but yeah, those groups that you just mentioned, you know, for example, when we got smuggled into Mexico, that's a whole other thing.
I mean, if you want to talk about that, we got smuggled into Mexico by who I believe was the Sinaloa cartel.
We talked to some experts who told us that basically the area that we went across that was controlled by Sinaloa.
It was definitely some cartel organizations, so it wasn't them.
It was another one of the major ones. But, you know, we got smuggled into Mexico and we got put temporarily in this stash house.
When we're in the stash house, we were surrounded by, for example, military age men from Sierra Leone, as an example, right?
Just that particular group.
So the point is they're coming from all over the place.
Are there special spots, safe houses, hotels that are dedicated to specific language or ethnic groups that are sort of facilitating individual tracks of people up, or is everybody mixed together?
Yeah, 100%. Now, I don't know how much of this, for example, I don't know who's quarterbacking that, these different hotels or these different staging points, right?
But, like, for example, we've talked about the Chinese.
The Chinese are extremely well-coordinated.
They have, I mean, anybody, actually, I kind of recommend people do this.
People can download the, maybe do this on a separate device, like a burner device or something, but people can download the Communist Chinese TikTok app.
It's called Douyin. You can actually go download that.
You don't have to be in China to do this.
And you can go and then you can search Darien Gap, translate it to Chinese and then plug it in.
And you're going to see openly there's people who post the whole route from Ecuador to the United States.
And it's just this is openly broadcast.
I mean, I'm not exactly sure why they allow this on the platform.
I guess I kind of got an idea.
But, you know, I'm not sure why China would allow that to proliferate unless they think that, hey, it's still to our benefit to let people out of the country to go do this.
And then when they get to China, we'll find them and then we'll put them under our thumb, right, by threatening their family.
Because that is a thing. You know, I've talked to other Chinese who are in this country now.
Who, you know, I guess if they were spies, they would have done a good job and I wouldn't know they were spies.
But I actually tend to believe some of these people, these Chinese people, to be authentically leaving China and coming to the United States, you know, to try to better their life.
Not that that's okay. I mean, they should be deported and sent back to China.
But... They tell me openly, they're like, yeah, we actually feared that the Chinese police are going to come knocking on our door, right?
And that they're going to extort us and that they're going to threaten our families back home.
And so my point is maybe China's allowing this to continue and proliferate this information on the TikTok app so that just, you know, basically colonize the United States and then we'll figure out the rest ones that are there.
But my point is this, these groups, they share this information about these routes and you're going through, you know, Colombia, for example.
We found a hotel in this town called Pasto, Colombia.
That was just full of military-aged, mostly men, but some women and children, Chinese people, who are all trekking to the United States.
It was like a staging point for them.
I got asked to the hotel logbook, like the registry.
And I just went back and I just kept flipping back pages, like page after page after page, going back weeks.
And I was like desperately trying to find, you know, there must be some people who are staying here who are not Chinese, right?
No, going back weeks, it was just all Chinese people.
And they were all headed to America, man.
So my point in saying is like, I don't know...
How much of that is just word of mouth, like other Chinese people who pass through are saying, hey, this is a place where it's friendly to us.
If you're Chinese, stop here.
Or if this is part of a much larger coordinated campaign on behalf of the Chinese government.
I have no idea, but we could definitely read between the lines here and infer that given the amount of Chinese people that are coming through, there must be a large group of them that are state-sponsored.
It's really incredible to see that sort of thing, though, for sure.
I think you just touched on the kind of the key piece.
If the Chinese allow it on their version of TikTok on that app, then it does indicate that they're at least okay with it, right?
And then the fact that there's such a large coordination, this is nation state level or large NGO level coordination in order to make it happen.
Can we talk about cost? Because I know you mentioned earlier that you guys were paying to get smuggled in.
I love that you're out there taking these risks and paying people like cartels to get you in the same route because that's the only way we're going to see this.
But what does it cost to do this trip maybe for you?
What do you think it costs for other people that were making the trip?
I was able to do it with my brother.
So for two people we did it for $10,000.
And actually I would say that that's, well, the only missing ingredient there I suppose would be the actual smuggling cost to get into the United States.
But there were other flights that we took that some of these people probably wouldn't take if they were for Venezuela.
I actually think that that number that I gave you is probably about accurate.
Call it like $5,000 to $10,000 per person.
I think that it could be done for about that range.
For example, like Crossing through the Darien Gap, they charged us $100.
Crossing into Mexico, we got charged, I believe it was $1.25 per person.
Of course, though, you're running into all sorts of costs when you're tracking up.
I mean, you can imagine as you're going through, you got to get food, you got to get accommodations, you got to get bus tickets, that sort of thing.
And then, of course, when you actually cross into the United States, that's still an expensive spundling fee there.
So I think we'll call it around $5,000 to $10,000, I think, is accurate.
They charge, though, different groups, different prices, right?
So if you're like a Venezuelan, you're going to cross into the United States.
They might charge you, well we were just at the border here in Arizona and people who came across told us that the smugglers there charged them, right here in Lukeville, charged them $300 to cross into the US. Whereas I've talked to some Chinese people who have been smuggled over down in the McAllen area who have told me that it cost them $5,000 per person to come across so it really depends.
You think it's based on the opportunity, the ethnicity, and what they think you can afford?
They kind of pay based on what your need might be or what your desperation level is?
Yeah, I do. I think that's the best way to put it.
Absolutely. Let's talk about the cost that comes on the other side here.
We hear about 85,000 children missing in sex trafficking or labor trafficking.
How many kids were you seeing?
What percentage of young people and females, because they seem like they're the most likely to be victimized, what would that percentage look like as you were traveling?
I don't know. It's hard to say.
I would say call it more than half is military-aged men.
Probably military-aged single men.
So call it less than half is women and children.
That's any indicator.
It's hard to put an actual number on it.
What do you make of the language change too?
Because we're seeing two different sides.
People on the political right refer to it again as invasion.
We're starting to see the words illegal alien being used again, which was kind of out of favor for a while.
We were talking about illegal immigration previously.
And then you also see people on the political left, they're talking about newcomers and they're talking about migrants and asylum seekers and this.
How do you feel like language kind of plays into this sort of propaganda game on the US side?
Yeah, well, we're never going to fix this problem if we label it correctly.
And I think that that's the whole point with these people that want to continue to call them migrants.
It's the most ridiculous word.
It's the most ridiculously misused word in the English language right now, I think.
I mean, migrant. What is a migrant?
I mean, let's look up the definition.
Or look up the definition of to migrate.
It's to go to a certain place temporarily, right?
Then you go back to where you came from or you continue onward, right?
Like the seasonal migrating bird or something.
Or like the antelope.
I don't know, right? But they go to Waterhole and they go home.
And they go to graze somewhere.
But that's not what these people... These people are coming.
They're immigrating to the United States for a permanent stay and they're doing so illegally.
They're illegal aliens or immigrants.
You choose which word you want to use.
But the whole point is if we...
If you label it like that, and then you correctly label it as an invasion, well, there's only one solution there.
Shut down the border and deport these people.
But, you know, if these are newcomers and they're migrants and all this other garbage, well then, you know, maybe actually they should not only stay here, but maybe we're going to give them a citizenship eventually and they'll be allowed to vote in federal election.
You know, so it all depends on how you label this sucker.
Do you think that there, amongst the folks that you encountered, that any of them had considered getting a migrant visa, which is a thing for temporary work status in the United States, to be able to leave and take money home?
Do any of them have any sense that there is a rule that they are breaking as they come up, or is it all entitled, as you said earlier?
You know, I don't really know.
I mean, I would imagine, I'm going to give these people the benefit of the doubt.
I mean, they have brains. They're not unintelligent people, right?
That they know they're breaking the law.
Again, I just simply think that they don't care.
You ask all these people and you say, hey, you know, what do you think about Joe Biden?
They love him. And they know that they're only coming up here because Joe Biden's president.
And you ask a lot of times, would you be doing this if Trump was president?
A lot of times they say, I don't know or no.
I hardly ever get a yes to that answer.
And so, you know, that kind of tells you what you need to know, right?
I mean, whether or not they're breaking the law or not, I just don't think they care.
They know what the situation is.
I hear people on the political right, they're rightly incensed.
You and I both have the sort of same sentiment on there.
What I always like to do is put on the other hat or the other can't.
Let's play devil's advocate for just a minute.
Is there any value, is there any benefit to this country with the folks that you saw traveling upwards?
Are they going to add value as we hear the leftists sort of say as they enter the United States illegally?
That's actually a very good question.
That's an important one to ask.
Here's the deal. You could look at benefits and drawbacks from every single situation, but the question is, do the benefits outweigh the costs?
Right? I mean, for sure they're coming over here and you get also...
People always say, well, we need the cheap labor.
Okay, sure, you get cheap labor.
I'm not going to deny that.
You definitely get cheap labor. But does that outweigh the cost of having millions of people here who, although it's cheap labor, these are also people who a lot of times are going on the government dole.
These are people that have no concept, no loyalty, I don't believe, to America or our founding principles.
A lot of them haven't been vetted.
So, there's plenty of other reasons that we could rattle off here, right?
So, cost of this whole thing.
So, think about just like the court system.
People that are getting court dates eight years down to the future, most of them aren't showing up.
I think like if you actually extrapolate this thing out, like it's almost impossible to process all these people at this point, right?
So, do those, the benefits of cheap labor, which is really I think probably the major benefit if you want to call it that, outweigh the cost?
I don't think so. If you look at it on a cost-benefit analysis, in my opinion, it's not really a debate, but some people, I guess, beg to differ.
When we hear about cheap labor, and we also hear that Democrats think that they are the party of people that are the working poor, does that seem in conflict to you at all that you're going to be bringing in cheaper illegal labor versus people who are theoretically struggling with our own sort of low wages on the bottom end of the American system?
100%. Like, just to be clear, for me, I don't view bringing these people in here to have them work for pennies and the dollar.
Of course, a lot of times it's illegal labor.
Like, they're willing to take... It is cheap labor a lot of times because they're here illegally and they'll take any job they can get.
And... Well, I'm sorry.
What was your question? I started rambling.
What was your question exactly? Yeah, just to...
Does that stack up?
The idea that you're going to represent the working poor in the United States at the same time you want to try to import cheaper labor?
It does seem in conflict. That's my position.
I'm just curious if you see the same issues.
Yeah, of course it's in conflict.
But that's the thing.
These people... I don't know how much of it is them playing, you know, 4D chess, right?
Where they're saying, hey, you know, we're just going to bring these people over here and eventually we're going to get, you know, new congressional districts and, you know, sooner or later give it, you know, maybe 10, 20 years.
Maybe some legislation is going to get passed.
These people will be able to vote. I don't know how much of it is 4D chess like that versus...
A person like an AOC who has this extreme far-left voter base that is just basically saying anything that she thinks she needs to say to win the favor of these people.
And she thinks that, you know, saying, hey, these people call them newcomers and letting them all come in and saying that it's an atrocity if you shut the border and deport them.
She thinks she's going to lose votes.
I don't know if they're playing 4D chess or if it's just the most politically opportune or they think it's the most politically opportune thing to do to go along with this.
I do know that the people at the top though, the United Nations, the people who are pushing, for example, Agenda 2030, those people are playing 4D chess and those are the people that we've got to worry about and understand.
Let's look at the last sort of impact, which is the actual landing here in the United States and where these folks have ended up.
I know you got some sort of footage within hotels and migrant camps or illegal aliens, sort of concentration campers that they've got going on in New York.
Can you talk about the situation, what they see, and are these people getting what they thought they were promised?
Does that seem like they're actually realizing that American dream they were given?
Yeah, so people can go on my website, marfaker.com, and they could go, it's one of the first articles you're going to see, you know, checking out these illegal alien compounds.
I don't know what else to call them. We looked at three of them from the inside.
The Roe Hotel... Randall's Island, Floyd Bennett Field.
And, you know, these people, for example, at the Rowe Hotel, the estimates are that it costs around $500 per head per night.
That's not per room, that's per head.
Keep in mind, there's multiple people in each room.
So you can only imagine how much money, the profit margins that could be made there.
It must be astronomical.
I don't know what those margins are, but we know that the government overpays for everything.
So people are crushing it, right?
Then when you're in there, To get to your question about the benefits, you talk to these people and they say, hey, yeah, you know, waiting for Social Security.
I'm waiting for my Medicare.
And they are all, you know, like, again, they're just, it's just for granted.
Like, it's just like this expected thing.
Another thing they get, they get these vouchers from, what is it?
What's that? I'm like forgetting the name of the charity.
The... What's that charity that...
There's a very well-known one that hands out clothes and...
We're talking about Catholic charities type stuff or something?
Salvation Army. Sorry.
Salvation Army hands out these vouchers.
$50, maybe more.
But they just... Basically, these organizations that happen, they just get a whole pallet of these things, of these vouchers from the Salvation Army.
They just hand them out. Like $50, $50, $50.
And some people don't have handfuls of these things, right?
They go to Salvation Army and they just load up on clothing and whatever else.
And again, it's all paid for by the tax dollar at the end of the day, right?
The taxpayer is somehow paying Salvation Army to do this, to be part of this program.
They print up these vouchers and they hand it to these people.
And at the same time, you know, I'm outside of the Roe Hotel to wrap this up.
I'm outside of the Roe Hotel.
And while there's thousands of illegal aliens in there getting all sorts of meals and this warm place to stay, nice rooms.
I'm speaking to a homeless man who's like, I haven't received any assistance in, you know, years.
I've been living out here in the streets of New York.
And actually, he tells me a story of how there's this...
He tells me the story of how there's people that come with food.
Almost like an outdoor soup kitchen outside of this hotel.
And they'll feed the illegal aliens.
But he says that every time he goes up, they refuse to feed him.
They'll only feed the illegal aliens.
And so... Here's the deal.
I'm a hardcore free market capitalist, man.
Like, I think, like, we need to abolish the welfare state.
As a matter of fact, if we want to get into solutions, I think that abolishing the welfare state is honestly probably our best move here.
Short of, you know, having...
Like, I don't want to see some sort of Gestapo type of agency that's going to go around door to door.
We're loading these people out to train cars and sending them south.
I mean, like... Honestly, primarily because I think that that organization will be flipped upon us eventually, just like the Department of Homeland Security after 9-11, right?
But I think that the answer to this has got to be to end the welfare state, end all these benefits, and get tough on law and order.
In this way, it's like, hey, if you're living in the United States, you could only survive here if you're adding value to the economy.
But my point in saying all that is what?
If we're going to have socialism for anybody, let it be for the poor Americans that were born here, right?
Not for these people that are coming across and just got here last week, but that's what it is.
And it's actually very atrocious to see, but it's happening every day.
It's a passionate, passionate plea, and wouldn't it be nice if we took care of our vets and homeless the way that these strangers who just came in came in.
I appreciate it. Anthony, thanks so much.
You want to tell people the best place to follow you if they were going to pick one account or one place to do it?
What's the best way to do it? Yeah, definitely.
You can visit my website, Muckraker.com, or on X, or any platform for that matter, at RealMuckraker.
That'd be great. Muckraker.com, at RealMuckraker on any of the major social media platforms.
Anthony Rubin, we'll keep watching what you're up to, and I appreciate you coming on and giving us a little bit of insight on that trip.
Appreciate it very much. Thank you so much, man.
All right, bye. We'll talk soon. Let's take a pause for a second.
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I think Anthony just gave us a really important taste of who's coming over and what they're looking for.
I think the question has to be, is America promising something through our representative of Joe Biden?
Whether you like him or not, you don't have to.
Is America promising hope, compassion, a future, and then not delivering on it?
Because that's a very dangerous thing to do, to dangle hope like a carrot, and then bring people into this country and punish them with a stick.
You don't have to like the fact that we have millions of people who have come into this country illegally to know that what may happen to them will be wrong and will also result in some very dangerous situations for the legal residents here.
There's folks in New York right now that are starting to get a small taste of it.
They were promised one thing, and then they find themselves on the streets.
They thought they were going to get Social Security and Medicaid.
They thought they were going to get all these benefits, these so-called entitlements.
And if they don't, how upset will they be?
How dangerous will that be for the folks, even though those people in that state, generally speaking, agree with it and have voted for it?
I've been thinking a lot about the constitutionality of what we're dealing with here.
And the actual abdication of the responsibility that Congress has.
Now, there's been no major laws that have changed since Donald Trump left office regarding immigration.
At least not yet. What we have seen is a complete failure of will on the Biden administration to do the job that they are tasked with doing.
The oath of office and the requirements of the president under the U.S. Constitution is to faithfully execute those duties.
And he's not doing it.
And the real-world consequences are more and more people are coming into Ecuador.
They are coming in wherever they can throughout Latin America.
They are traveling up through the help of cartels and criminal agencies, just like we heard Anthony talk about.
And then they are entering the United States where we don't know what to do with them, and we are sending them to major Democrat cities, but also to all of the border towns that have been overwhelmed for years.
The thing that makes me very concerned...
It's going back to the Constitution, Article I, Section 9, and the concept of habeas corpus.
Now, this is a sacred sort of obligation of the government under our system to produce the body, to actually bring the receipts and not simply come in and invade your personal liberties and your freedoms.
We are only able to suspend this concept of habeas corpus under very, very narrow circumstances.
I want to read it specifically for you.
The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended unless when cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it.
Unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it.
You can't suspend habeas corpus except in invasion and rebellion.
And what are the two things that we keep hearing this administration talk about?
We keep hearing about insurrection and sedition, which is another word for rebellion.
It's a discussion of rebellion.
And then the thing we hear people on the political right, the mainstream media talking points are talking about an invasion.
If those two qualities and circumstances are met, are we opening ourselves up for the suspension of habeas corpus?
Searches without warrants?
This only happened one other time in American history, by the way, and it was during the American Civil War.
We keep seeing the parallels of a divided nation, just like at the time of Lincoln.
So is there a long con game?
Is there a three-dimensional chess game to actually suspend your civil liberties because of invasion, which was facilitated by bad executive policy?
Is this the stuff that keeps me up at night?
I didn't sleep very well last night thinking about this exact problem.
I don't know that this was facilitated specifically to engage in this, but what we do know is that the political left is constantly trying to move the ball forward.
They are trying to infringe on civil liberties like speech, on your ownership of private firearms, on your ability to freely move about, and they'll use any tool that's available to them, even if they didn't know what that tool was when it was created.
That misguided sense of compassion seems to drive a lot of the people that are not political activists that just have a one-dimensional way of looking at this problem.
They think, there are poor people in the world.
We have many things. We have the curse of abundance in America.
Let's bring them in and give them a taste of it.
But what happens when it doesn't work?
It also plays into the goal of tyranny, which is what we continue to see with this weaponized federal government.
When the government doesn't play by the rules, when it looks for every opportunity not to serve the people and the common interest, but to usurp the will of the governed and achieve its own ends, all things must be questioned, all things must be considered, and all of us must be on guard.
Because even though we have a constitution that lays out exactly what the government cannot do, we're constantly seeing that this doesn't seem to stop the government from doing it, nor does it stop the courts from slowing them down.
We're seeing a steady march of tyranny and increased government authorities that they have no authority to claim.
And it keeps pushing on us.
So as we look at this migrant crisis, this border invasion, whatever you want to call it, There's two things I want to focus on.
I want you to be continually aware of the words being used specifically and who's using them.
And the second is, is this going to facilitate a larger endgame of confiscating rights that are not related to the border?
Your ability to speak, your ability to express your dissent to these policies, and then your ability to protect yourself.
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