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HOW MANY LIKES? Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep717
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Coming up, I'll explain how an Obama judge approved widespread surveillance not only on Trump but also on anyone who liked his tweets.
What? Debbie's going to join me.
We're going to talk about the only type of multiculturalism that works, the latest exploits of Elon Musk, how Derek Chauvin got shafted, and Hamas videos that we can't seem to get out of our minds.
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The way that police states work is you need, it's not enough to have, let's say, a corrupt prosecutor who is trying to get Trump.
Because the prosecutor cannot operate alone.
The prosecutor needs the cooperation, the assent of an equally corrupt, ideologically motivated judge.
And here is a case of this.
You have Jack Smith, the special counsel, going to an Obama-appointed judge.
This is the chief judge of the D.C. federal court.
And this is Judge Beryl Howell.
And Jack Smith goes, I not only want to curate I want to do surveillance.
I want to compile an extensive list.
Every time Trump retweeted something, if he tried to tweet something and then deleted it, I want to capture a screenshot of that, and I want a full inventory of everyone who liked one of Trump's tweets.
This is, of course, in the regime before—well, it overlaps with Elon Musk's purchase of X— Now, this is something that is not obvious that it should be granted.
There are certain specified conditions in the law in which you can have this kind of order.
And not only did Jack Smith want an order to do all this, he wanted a non-disclosure order, which means that the judge signs off on the fact that X is not only forced to turn this stuff over, but it cannot tell Trump.
It cannot tell Trump that they're doing this.
He's a defendant. But it's like a secret order.
Now, let's think first just about the sheer preposterousness of this.
Why are you collecting the names of people who like Trump's tweets if not to create a database of kind of enemies of the state?
Can you think of any other motive?
Well, I can. I guess Jack Smith's motive was, you know, I kind of want to get an overall picture of whether Trump is inciting.
But you don't need the people liking Trump's tweets.
You just have to look at Trump's tweets themselves.
Is he inciting anyone to do anything?
Well, let's see what the tweet says.
Trump is not even responsible for who likes or doesn't like or retweets him.
And yet, here's Jack Smith.
And you can see what his real motive clearly appears to be.
Let's get a MAGA list here.
And then we'll have a nice group of people that not only we, because ultimately these documents do become and can become public, there will be a very nice database for Democrats to be able to go over.
Maybe not even me, but other prosecutors.
Now, to get this non-disclosure order, you have to satisfy some conditions.
Like, why would you not tell the defendant you're doing this?
Apparently, judges grant these orders based on some potential harms.
One is endangering the life or physical safety of an individual.
That's obviously not involved here.
Destruction or tampering with evidence.
That's obviously not involved here.
Nothing is being destroyed or tampered with.
Intimidation of potential witnesses.
That doesn't apply here either.
Liking a Trump tweet or retweeting it is not intimidating anybody.
Somehow jeopardizing an investigation.
That's not involved here.
And so the only other condition, the only other reason to keep this secret, to not reveal it until now, is Trump is a flight risk.
In other words, you don't tell the defendant because the defendant might be plotting to flee.
And guess what? Jack Smith intimated that Trump may be plotting to flee.
Flee what? Flee the country?
What? Now again, this is so crazy that subsequently, later, the Justice Department and the judge tried to clean up this part by going back into the record with footnotes and basically saying, no, we didn't really think he was a flight risk.
We didn't really mean to say that.
And the reason for that is just because you've created a record, which is prima facie absurd.
And, of course, vulnerable to appeal.
Goes to an appellate court and they look, Trump is a flight risk.
That was the rationale for granting this.
And you basically go, you had no right to do that.
So now they're going back to say, well, that was not the reason.
Well, if that was not the reason, what was the reason?
Where's the other reason among the criteria I just mentioned?
And the answer is there really isn't any.
So this is really pernicious police state stuff.
There's a kind of...
The point I make in the film, and I think this is important for us to realize, is it's all covered in the facade of law, right?
The guy files a motion, Jack Smith does, and then Judge Beryl Howell signs off on it, and then there is a warrant that's presented to Twitter, and Twitter resists, to its credit, resists the...
Twitter is then overruled by the judge.
Twitter appeals, and then an appellate court, also democratically dominated by Democratic appointees, sustains the judge, Beryl Howell, and forces Twitter to turn over this data, fines Twitter, in fact, for delaying in doing it.
So, this is the way in which the police state exercises naked brutality, but naked brutality kind of covered up or veiled with the facade, with the pretense of following the dictates of the law.
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Debbie and I are, well, this week we're doing a Thursday roundup rather than a Friday roundup.
And we want to start by talking...
About the issue of multiculturalism.
Now for several decades, we've been assured that multiculturalism is the way to go.
It's an unadulterated good.
It's a great blessing to society's cultural enrichment, diversity of peoples and cultures and cuisines and ideas.
And presumably this is a lot better than having, well, I guess you'd call it a homogenous or maybe a monocultural society.
Now, I think that, first of all, the idea of monocultural societies is not right.
I mean, it's silly. Why?
Because societies that seem monocultural on the surface...
Look at India. India is pretty monocultural in the sense that it's Indian people all over the place, but 23 different languages, a vast group for many, many different religions, at least seven or eight major ones, and then a bunch of minor ones.
People eat different types of cuisine.
Hindustanis only spoken in one part of the country, not the other.
So the idea that India is a monoculture is not even true.
It's just that the Indians resemble each other.
They're all brown, but they're very different in many ways.
Japan is a homogenous society.
What's wrong with Japan? Nothing at all.
Ireland is a, what, 90 or 92% white?
What's wrong with that? Nothing at all.
And yet, there are people in Ireland, including apparently the Irish Prime Minister, who thinks Ireland is too white.
Ireland needs to let in more Muslims and more brown people and more black people because apparently he's bought into the idea that multiculturalism is a great idea and that there's something wrong with a country being 92% white.
Now, N1W goes away into this, but I mean, think about this.
Nobody else says this, right?
Have you ever heard an African leader go, the Congo is too black?
You know? No, they never say that.
You know, Somalia is too black.
They never say that.
They assume that Africa is a black continent largely for black people.
There are, of course, some whites in South Africa and so on.
But what do you think about this?
We were talking about, you were saying there's only one type of multiculturalism that works.
Well, as someone who came to this country not speaking English, right?
I picked it up really quickly, but I didn't speak it, and I really didn't like it.
But I knew, even as a 10-year-old, I knew that this was my adopted country.
Of course, my mother... Is, you know, Mexican-American from the Rio Grande Valley.
But even in some parts of that culture, they retain the Mexican culture more than the American culture.
So they celebrate Cinco de Mayo.
They celebrate all the Mexican festivities and all of that.
And not so much the 4th of July and all of those things.
Well, I was determined to do that work.
Not retain the nationality of, I guess, of my own culture because I had two cultures.
I had the Venezuela culture and the Mexican-American culture.
But I decided very early on that I was going to be an American and that American values, American history was going to be important in my life and in my offspring.
Right? Whenever, you know, whenever I had a family, that that was important.
So that is why when I went off to college and LULAC came knocking at the door.
League of United Latin American Citizens.
Some of these guys, I mean, some of these guys are really radical.
They're like, well, you know, half of the United States should be given back to Mexico.
Yeah, they have very La Raza.
And they couldn't understand why I was not embracing that.
And basically, they started calling me kind of a sellout and that, you know, I thought I was Anglo and this and that.
And basically, you know, I had only been in the United States about eight years at this point.
So Spanish was still very much my language.
I still spoke it very well.
Almost native, yeah.
Right. And so then I decided, you know what, I'm going to go full Spanish on this guy.
Turns out he couldn't even speak it.
So I was like, really?
So you're telling me that I can't embrace my Latin American culture and roots, and you can, and yet I speak the language and you don't.
So I think he kind of left me alone at that point and decided that I was kind of a lost cause.
But I always felt like...
The only way to really make it work is to assimilate in the society that you came to.
I think this is the point you're making.
The larger point is this, that there is a type of multiculturalism that can work, but it's a multiculturalism that is incorporated within and subordinated to A shared national identity.
Right. Once about every two weeks, I kind of get the Indian.
The thing about Indian food, too, is that Debbie's like, you know, in fact, at one point, you were like, I'm going to make it for you.
Then you realize that when you look at the recipe, you were expecting like four or five.
The list of ingredients is endless.
Endless. And I said, you know what, honey?
I think we'll just go eat at Amrina.
That's right. We pick a local restaurant.
And so I think this is right.
There is multiculturalism that can work, but it has to work within a patriotic framework.
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Elon Musk is the talk of the nation today.
He's certainly the talk of X, but more than X because of his kind of, well, I'm going to call them sparkling comments in a public conversation with a guy named Aaron Sorkin.
And Sorkin was, you know, I think...
This guy is your typical kind of media entertainment dullard.
And he's like, well, Elon, is it true that the advertisers are mobilizing against you?
And he's sort of expecting Elon Musk to get into this tedious, well, the advertisers are mistaken and the percentage of hate on...
Elon doesn't even go there.
He basically goes, well, don't advertise.
And then he uses the F word.
F you! In fact, he uses it by name.
They're talking about Bob Iger, who is, I guess, the CEO of Disney.
And he goes, Bob, if you're in the audience, F you!
This is Elon Musk.
And Elon Musk is really making the point that in the end, it's the market that decides.
You want to try to boycott X? Well, in a sense...
Think about it. That also means you can't advertise on X. And Disney is not exactly flourishing as a company.
People are sick of this perverted operation called Disney.
I mean, one time Disney used to be Americana, innocence, inspiration.
Now it's the, like, creep on the street that your parents tell you to stay away from.
So I saw a whole train of people on X. They're like...
Canceling Disney +, not seeing any more Disney movies.
I'm done with Disney. So now what has happened, because of the fact that X is so much more open to free speech, a free speech lobby is emerging on X. Yeah.
And that's, I think, very important.
Yeah, but so Elon is so funny because...
He also is kind of subscribing to the same, like, Malay style.
Like, Malay, you know. Javier Malay.
Javier Malay. Viva la libertad, carajo!
You know, I mean, that's a kind of, he's cursing there, you know.
And he calls, he calls, yeah.
Not liberals in the liberal sense, you know, classical liberals, but he calls the left idiots.
S-H-I-T. S-H-I-T. And he tells them to F off and all of this stuff, you know, that is just, it was not done before.
It was not done. Trump does a little bit of it.
Trump does a little bit of it, but I don't think Trump has been dropping the F-bomb.
No. And the minute he starts...
And there are others who are in the same mode who don't do it, like Georgia Maloney doesn't do it.
Right. And of course, even Geert Wilders in the Netherlands is a very urbane guy with his kind of coiffed up hair and kind of speaks in a clipped way.
But this is now becoming a kind of...
And I also think that it's just that they're fed up, you know?
They're fed up, yeah. And that, because, you know, as you know, I'm very straight-laced, but even I used the F word one time, remember?
Well, you did one time, and you were fed up.
Because somebody was screaming at me at an event.
It was the University of Michigan or Michigan State?
Michigan State, yeah, yeah.
They tried to shut you down, and it was being live-streamed.
And I see all kinds of straight-laced people on X, you know, who never with themselves use that kind of language.
But they're like cheering Elon Musk.
I don't know what happened.
I just let my blood boil or something.
I don't know. And I literally did it.
And then I regretted it immediately, of course.
But I caught up into that, like...
Oh, you can't do this, you know, mentality.
And I'm sure these guys who are not straight-laced have no hesitancy in doing that.
So that's, I think, what we're seeing.
We're seeing that phenomenon of like, I'm fed up.
I mean, this is the extreme, not only bravery, but in some ways, this is Elon Musk using his influence.
And that's a term I've used on the podcast.
So many people do not use their influence because they're a little afraid.
And Elon Musk is like, I have the money, I have the power.
And I have a weapon.
I have a platform. It's a huge platform.
It is, in fact, the only platform where anything interesting is going on.
What's going on on YouTube?
It's brain dead over there.
What's going on on Facebook?
It's brain dead over there.
Yeah, if you want to find your college friend and meet up for sangria, you can do it on Facebook or through Facebook.
But X is a platform that's bristling with electricity.
And in some ways, Elon Musk has now come to symbolize that.
But the reason for the attack on Elon Musk is because of the fact that the left made up that he was an anti-Semite, right?
And the really interesting thing is I subscribe to this publication in Israel called Haritz.
Haritz. Haritz.
A left-wing Israeli publication, very anti-Netanyahu.
When you look at it, you realize the echoes between the American left and the European left.
And so what caught my eye was this opinion article, Why Netanyahu Loves Anti-Semites Like Elon Musk So Much.
And I thought, what?
Let's start with the premise, right?
In fact, I said yesterday on the podcast that Elon Musk's presence in Israel, he's meeting Netanyahu, he's meeting with rabbis, he's meeting with Israeli leaders, does a lot symbolically to diffuse the idea or to diffuse any false impression that he might be an anti-Semite.
But here's Haaretz digging in.
Yeah. And going with the, you know, it's almost like these guys get the memo.
This is the narrative. Preposterous though it may be, I'm sure there are people at Haritz who know Elon Musk is not an anti-Semite.
Right. But they don't mind the smear because they're anti-Elon Musk.
Yeah, and they hate Netanyahu.
And it says, one by one, Netanyahu and his courtiers have reached out to some of the world's most prominent Jew-haters.
Offering them absolution for their sins and Israel's official license to carry on.
By taking Musk to the scene of the Hamas massacres, he's also expropriating Jewish suffering to whitewash his antisemitism and his promotion of other antisemites on his website.
Let's start with the underlying premise.
I mean, I guess some of this goes back to something that Elon Musk retweeted.
And again, we have to realize on social media, I mean, I know this is true of me also, we often see something, it seems interesting, I want my audience to be exposed to it.
I may not even really agree with it, but I'm like, that's an interesting take.
So I hit retweet. Right?
It's not my way of saying I endorse this article.
It is merely a, it's a mere like, guys, check this out.
This is something I think you might find interesting for whatever reason.
Yeah. Well, this is so interesting.
Let's talk about it in the next segment.
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So as we were talking about Elon Musk and Netanyahu and all of that in this publication, they also talk about the fact that Netanyahu also is chummy with...
Putin, Orban, of course, Musk, Endorgan, and Trump.
And so he lumps all these people together as right-wing Jewish haters, which, you know, how can you call- I mean, let's go through that list because it's a very interesting list and a very mixed bag, right?
Yeah, yeah. First of all, you've got Putin.
Yeah. And look, I mean, Putin is not buddies with Netanyahu, not at all.
Oh, no. Russia, in fact, has its own objectives in the Middle East.
Russia would much rather ally with the oil-producing Muslim nations against Israel.
Iran. Iran and Putin. Yeah.
So that's just a lie.
Yeah. Then we go to Viktor Orban.
They hate Viktor Orban.
I'll tell you why they hate him so much.
I hate him because Viktor Orban not only wins elections again and again and again, but I read a speech of his recently where he goes, we match the left sort of army for army.
So he goes, they have think tanks, we have think tanks.
They have newspapers, we have newspapers.
Isn't that what we should all be doing?
This is what we should be doing.
They have comedy shows, we have comedy shows.
So he's created in Hungary something that is desperately needed in the United States, entire rival culture. A parallel culture.
Yeah, I mean, we talk about I'm canceling my subscription to Disney +, but that's only because we're parasitic on Disney.
We're parasitic on so many—we're even parasitic on Fox News.
We're parasitic on all—so we are not only getting blasted by these organs of society, we're funding them.
We're funding universities.
We don't have an alternative. That's the problem.
And then we have Erdogan.
Now, Erdogan is the Islamic regime head of Turkey.
What does Netanyahu have to do with that guy?
They're not friends. I think the reason that they're saying all this is because Netanyahu has reached out to these people.
They have come to visit him.
And so they're like, oh yeah, you can't do that because they're anti-Semitic.
Let's remember that one way Israel is even getting hostages back is Hamas is not dealing directly with Israel.
They will often release the hostages.
You asked me this morning, why Egypt?
And why Qatar?
Why Turkey?
So all these other countries come in and go, well, listen, we will be honest brokers.
So dealing with that in terms of negotiation and diplomacy is a whole different thing.
It is. And then, of course, Trump.
Trump loves Israel.
Look how much he did for Israel.
Right. In fact, didn't we see a sign that was like Trump?
What was it? Oh, no.
It was like a whole kibbutz.
A kibbutz? It was like...
We saw a sign pointing to like the Trump kibbutz.
Oh, yeah. A whole Jewish community named after Trump.
Yeah, yeah. And I don't know if this was when he moved the embassy to Jerusalem.
Yeah, I think it was. I think it was.
And again, he moved the embassy to Jerusalem.
So, how dare they...
Right. It shows that they are part of the smear machine and they don't hesitate to play that role.
And it also shows that to them, the left and left-wing ideology is more important than Jewish nationality, really.
In the end, that is true. In the end, right?
In fact, they were probably even reluctant to come together as a country with Netanyahu and under Netanyahu to fight Hamas and they're looking for Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, you know, they are, to be fair, they are very much on board with the whole, you know, let's take Hamas out because at the end of the day, Hamas is their survival and Hamas is their enemy.
Yeah, so they're not going to praise Ilhan Omar or Rashida Tlaib.
But on the other hand, if they can use...
I don't see them condemning them either, though.
Oh, that's interesting. You know what I mean? Yeah.
So I have yet to find an article condemning these women.
I'll keep looking, but let me see if I find one.
But anyway, it's interesting.
Well, I think we have to realize that anti-Semitism itself, at least in this context, can be used with the same broad brush, the same promiscuity, the same unfair application as racism.
Notice how, for example, they'll call anybody a racist.
In fact, even people that they know aren't racists.
If they can entrap you in a single statement you made, they'll try to cancel you.
Roseanne Barr being a good example.
We'll destroy your career.
And afterwards, we'll just pretend like it never happened.
Yeah, yeah. And that's what's going on here.
So kudos to Elon Musk for resisting all this.
I think his trip to Israel was a shrewd move.
But I'm really excited about the way in which he has gone from just upholding free speech on X to now militantly defending Letting him have it.
You should have seen the kind of, you know, idiot stare on the part of this Aaron Sorkin character because he clearly didn't expect Elon Musk to go in that direction because public figures rarely do.
And so he kind of looks at him like he got slapped across the face.
This is someone that doesn't need Apple, doesn't need Disney anymore.
he has more money than they do and so so he's able to...
Right, who's more secure?
Elon Musk or the CEO of Disney who could easily be booted by the shareholder. In fact, see, Disney has had some turnover of CEOs. Clearly the current guy is a complete loser. His predecessor was another loser. I think the place is infested with losers and perverts and one thing we can do to help Elon Musk is first of all subscribe In other words, become one of those $8 a month guys.
So Elon Musk is less dependent on advertising.
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One of the things that Elon Musk did in Israel was he spent time with people who had had direct experience either from the police or victims and he saw a lot of the footage that the Israelis have been very eager to show the world and I'm sure they were very eager to show Elon Musk So he had a close-up and personal encounter,
if you will, with what Hamas did on the scene.
And I've got to say that in a way, without going to Israel, you're somewhat in the same position because you get a daily diet of videos.
I see a few of them that you show me.
Yeah, I don't want to show you all of them because I know how squeamish you are.
I know you don't like the sight of blood.
And boy, let me tell you, they are bloody.
Yeah. Bloody. And horrific.
You know, I get many, many, like probably I get maybe five a day that come in.
They're uploaded. It's basically, it's, I guess it's called, let's see what it is.
It's, is it Telegram, right?
Correct? Yeah, right.
Telegram is the channel.
That's how they're sent to you.
But it's called Graphic Content Hamas Massacre.
And there's about 126 members in this group.
There's 126 of us who see these videos.
And let me tell you, they are gruesome.
I mean, like right now I'm looking at one, they're dragging a girl, they just, they murdered her and they're dragging her.
They picked her up and dragged her across the field.
And these are videos that they took, Hamas took.
And some of them are live streamed and I was showing you one yesterday that was very gory.
It was probably a bomb shelter and a group of Israelis were in there, you know, dead, but they were live streaming it.
And you know how when you're live streaming, people like will send hearts.
Oh, that's right.
They're reacting to what's happening.
And literally they were massacring these people.
And as they were doing it, they were getting all these little hearts and likes going up.
And I was, I could not believe it.
I could not believe it.
Well, I mean, it's probably, you know, fair to say that they are live streaming to who?
I mean, they're live streaming to Hamas.
To their own people. Yeah, exactly.
But nevertheless, I think that what that also does show you is that there's been an effort in the United States by the other part of the Biden sort of diplomats to say, well, there's a radical distinction between the Palestinians and Hamas.
Now, I think there is some distinction, right?
Hamas is an organized terrorist operation.
You've got two million Palestinians living in the region.
However, when Hamas live streams to the Palestinians and like, like, like, great job, love.
Not just like, love.
I mean, that to me was just...
Right. And it's not just, you know, I love the fact that you're fighting back or something, but look at what I'm witnessing.
I'm witnessing a carnage.
The massacre of innocent civilians.
Right. Right. You know, and that to me is just like you're raising a society of little devils is what you're doing.
Yeah. I mean, imagine in this country, for example, if you were witnessing a similar carnage and you have a group of people in the country that are just cheering it.
They're excited it's happening.
They approve of it.
You would think that you have a psychopathic segment of the population.
In other words, you'd be dealing with a problem, which is not that we have criminal psychopaths, but we have a criminal psychopathic lobby that supports these people.
Almost like people who are excited about cartels.
Imagine cartels broadcasting, we beheaded this guy, here's a video of the beheading, and all kinds of people in Mexico go, this is fantastic, love it, love it, keep it up.
Yeah, no, not so.
Very creepy. And so anyway, so the content is continually coming in, right?
And like this one, you know, documentation of a shocking murder committed in the shower.
This woman was dragged by the hair and slaughtered.
And I saw the pic, right?
It's just horrific. But these Hamas people are also very...
Weird and clever because they are filming the propaganda of the, not the terrorists, the sequestered people, you know, the hostages coming out with the Red Cross.
And in some instances, they will have, like I saw one yesterday where a young girl, she was probably one of the 15-year-old girls that was released, she blows a kiss on To one of the terrorists and says goodbye.
And they show this.
And I'm like, are you kidding me?
Are you kidding me?
And then some of the older ladies, they wave and they act like they're going away on a trip and whatever.
And I think in one case you told me that someone from the terrorist camp runs out with a water bottle as if like, you know, here's something to help you on your journey.
When the stories that are coming out are horrific, what they've been doing to these people.
So it's a case of that Munchausen syndrome.
Is it that? Or it could be that.
Or the other option would just be that these people realize, hey, listen, I've been living in terror.
They probably told them, you better wave and blow a kiss or we can shoot you.
So it's like, I don't want to cause any trouble.
She's a young girl. She's She's smiling.
I mean, look at her face.
It's a little nervous. If you look at it more closely, it's like, you know, there's a little bit of that.
And they're hugging them.
And so it's just, it is surreal that this is happening because I just, I don't understand it.
This is the world we live in in which we are fed these images.
And, you know, you can just take them at face value.
Now, obviously, the Hamas videos are authentic, but...
They are. They made them.
They showed what they were doing.
They were actually proud of it.
But some of these videos of captives waving at their captors.
Blowing a kiss to them.
We've got to view with appropriate skepticism.
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I may seem to be a little bit repetitive in saying this, but we get communications in email every day, like, where do I see the movie?
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Now, one of the things that I got to say gets a little bit under your skin is we have put up a little sign on the website that if you want to have a group screening of the movie, we charge a modest license fee.
I think it's like $5 per person if you want to show it at your church or in your Republican group.
And the idea here is just to create a modest monetization for the business of the film so we can keep doing films.
But on the other hand, inevitably, there are people who write us, and it really goes to you, so you are the one who sees all this, which is, Dinesh, why don't you offer the movie for free?
And we got this even with 2,000 views.
Yeah, yeah.
And you know, I just, I'm speechless, because I get it.
I get that they wanna see these things for free, and I get that they want more people to see them.
And that way, in a perfect world, where money just grew on trees.
In a communist utopia.
Exactly. In a communist utopia.
Right. Not a capitalist one, a communist one.
We would have all the money in the world to make these films for millions of dollars and we wouldn't need to get any of it back.
By the way, this is the way it works on the left.
You just get money rained down on you.
And in a sense, you then become a free agent because you've got these billionaires bankrolling you.
It's really important to realize that we have none of this on ourselves.
We have none of it. And it takes a lot of effort to try to raise the money.
And we're not just raising the money for donations.
People aren't just donating money.
They are investing money.
So the goal is to make their money back, return their capital, right?
Return the loan.
And then if we make a profit, great!
But how many movies have we made?
Like, you know, people assume that we're like multi, multi, multi millionaires based on these movies.
And that couldn't be further from the truth.
Right. I mean, I think this is a key point that, by and large, the reason that we've done well over the years is because I've had a long career going back to illiberal education in 1992.
So I've had a dozen bestselling books.
I've given innumerable, more than I can count or you can count, speeches.
So we have multiple streams of income, and we've been able to gradually build up a prosperity that way.
With the films, I think, out of seven, we what?
I think we have broken even in about two or three.
We've made money on at least two, probably three.
And we've lost money.
And during COVID, we lost a lot of money on a couple of films we happened to release in that very unfortunate year for releasing movies.
So here's the point. Our business model relies on being able to raise money in the hope that if we make it back, these guys will get their money back and they'll do it again.
I even jokingly call it recycled philanthropy because none of us, I mean, not our investors and not us are ultimately doing this for money.
We're doing this for the cost, but...
For the cause to work, for us to be able to help the cause, we need a viable business model that can be replicated.
And so this model of returning investment dollars to investors and then them giving it back to us to make the next film, this has kept us in business for a decade.
If we didn't have this model, I would have made one or two films and I'd be like, okay, I'm done because I've exhausted the resources I can gobble up.
Yeah. If we don't make any money on the movies, then we can't keep making movies.
Period, end of story. And I mean, think of what we're asking of people.
We're not asking of people to invest in our movies, to bankroll us in any way.
But if you're not willing to spend five bucks to...
Or 20 bucks...
Or $20 if you want to stream the movie.
I think the movie's at $19.99 right now.
The DVD packs, I think, are $15.
So, look, I mean, this is nothing more than an effort for us to recover our investment.
I think you know we make good movies.
In other words, we could do a movie for $100,000.
I would interview three or four people.
We would then cut the interviews together and pull up some public footage from the media, slap it together, put a little music, and that would be the movie.
But you wouldn't want to go to the theater.
I'm not even sure we could afford to do the music.
Unless I did it. Exactly.
Exactly. Because I do it for free.
And we're not even counting all the risks.
I mean, think of the risk of making a movie like Police State.
There's always the risk. Not even the risk of having an FBI raid.
There's a risk of having personal lawsuits exposing us to personal liability.
Then we have to hire lawyers to defend ourselves.
So we're kind of...
I think what we're reacting to is we feel like we're on the front line fighting this stuff.
And then we're getting back, kind of backseat advice from guys who go, well, listen, guys, you put in all this money, you put in all this work, you take all this kind of risk, and then just give it away.
And the other thing that floored me was with 2000 Mules, when people were pirating the movie, and they were doing screenings without paying the licensing fee.
And I was like, guys, this movie is about fraud.
And yet, Here we are.
Here we are. We're discussing a very interesting segment in the Gulag Archipelago while Solzhenitsyn is talking about a Russian liberation army that emerged in Russia, in the Soviet Union, to liberate Russians from the Soviet Union.
And this happened toward the end of World War II. Solzhenitsyn admits actually no Russian Liberation Army existed until almost the very end of the war.
He goes, before, there were groups of people, particularly from the so-called ethnic territories controlled by the Soviets, who decided to fight on the German side.
They were allied with the Germans, not because they were Nazis or because they liked the Nazis per se.
But they realize, listen, we've got this invading army.
This is an opportunity for us to get our own freedom by overthrowing the Soviet dictatorship under Stalin.
So think of what a difficult position these people are in there.
They're supposed to be fighting for the Soviet army against the Germans, and the Germans are the external tyranny.
But there's an internal tyranny, and that, of course, is Stalin.
Nevertheless, as Solzhenitsyn, the Lithuanians were the first to start supporting the Germans.
Then the Ukrainians formed a voluntary SS division.
Then a few Estonians joined them.
Then some Belarusians joined them.
And so altogether, there's tens of thousands of people who support the German side, again, supporting the German side as a mechanism, as a tool to overthrow the Soviet gulag, to overthrow the Soviet dictatorship.
And ultimately, there was a Soviet general, a guy named Vlasov, who decided, we're going to create a Russian liberation army within Russia.
Vlasov kind of moved into that very slowly.
In 1942, he was thinking about it, and then he slowly came to the view that there was no way to defeat national socialism in Russia.
Remember, Stalin was also a national socialist.
We think of national socialism as defining the Nazis, and it did.
And initially, the Soviets were international socialists.
They were the workers of the world unite, very much in the kind of Marxist mode.
But once World War II began, Stalin goes, kind of, forget about the other countries.
We're not trying to create any kind of international movement here.
This is national socialism focused on what Stalin himself called Mother Russia.
We're defending Mother Russia.
So there's a nationalism that goes along with the socialism.
So, write Solzhenitsyn, these guys realized, quote, it was impossible to overthrow the Bolsheviks without the Germans.
Why? Because here's this external force, heavily armed, very militarized, in fact, very powerful.
And so, we need those guys as an ally.
And now, says Solzhenitsyn, Hitler...
And Solzhenitsyn here is like, this is how, in a sense, foolish, strategically unwise Hitler was.
He goes, Hitler was unable to understand the historical fact that the opportunity to overthrow a communist regime can come only from a popular movement from an uprising of the long-suffering population.
So in other words, Solzhenitsyn goes, listen, Hitler, he's not talking directly to Hitler, but he's speaking that language as he's like, Hitler, you know, who's going to overthrow Russia?
Guess what? All the tens of millions of people who are in Russia, who are terrified of this tyranny of Russia, you have a huge ally kind of right under your nose and you don't even see it.
So why didn't Hitler see it?
Well, here Solzhenitsyn has a remarkable observation.
He goes, but Hitler was more afraid of such a Russia and such a victory than of a defeat.
So here's Solzhenitsyn intimating, very interesting, controversial kind of statement.
He's like, Hitler didn't really want an independent Russia in which you've got patriotic and strong Russians who don't believe in tyranny, believe in freedom.
Hitler didn't want that.
Hitler maybe would prefer Stalin or even prefer to be defeated by Stalin than to ally and help to sustain a kind of independent Russia.
Now, the problem was that Hitler did not support these Blasov regiments directly.
the Russian Liberation Army.
And so think about it, the Russian Liberation Army is kind of like caught between a rock and a hard place as they say.
Who's the rock? The Germans.
Who's the hard place? Stalin.
And so if you go against Stalin, and you're not allied with the Germans, you're basically doomed.
And this is exactly what happened to this Russian Liberation Army.
He says, ultimately, they were all captured.
Ultimately, he says they were, quote, these people were sent as cannon fodder in the fight against the Allies and against the French resistance.
That is against the only forces with whom the Russians in Germany could have had a genuine feeling of solidarity.
So here's Solzhenitsyn again, and here's a guy, think about it, here's a fellow who has just this, not only a deep understanding of human nature, human psychology, the nature of tyranny, the operations of the gulag, he's also a very shrewd strategist.
And he goes, listen...
This Russian Liberation Army could not have allied really with the Germans.
Why? Because the Germans are too much like the Soviets.
They're the same ilk.
They're tyrants over here, tyrants over there.
So the only true friends of the Russian Liberation Army are the allies, are the French, the French resistance, are the English who are fighting against the Germans, and is the United States.
But here we come to a bitter irony that I will pick up tomorrow, which is Solzhenitsyn goes, even though ultimately the Russian Liberation Army came to realize that the Allies were its only friends, the people who didn't realize that and in fact helped to betray them to Stalin were the Allies themselves.
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