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Coming up, Kevin McCarthy has greenlighted an impeachment inquiry and I'll talk about the ramifications.
I'll reveal details about how the CIA offered financial incentives to investigators to change their mind about COVID-19 originating in a lab.
I'll talk about how I came to make police state and why the topic is eerily relevant today.
Reverend Steve Lee joins me.
He's going to talk about his indictment in the Georgia-RICO case.
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We are finally underway with an impeachment inquiry into Joe Biden.
This is very good news.
When I told Debbie, she goes, Peach 46, where we both chuckled because we were referring to Maxine Waters' famous Peach 45.
Well, 45 was peached, and 46 is about to be peached, or at least the preliminary step.
An impeachment inquiry is not the same as an impeachment, but the one leads to the other.
The purpose of the one is to clear the ground for the other.
And Kevin McCarthy has been hesitating, I would say dithering, very circumspect and cautious in moving in this direction.
I think the reason he decided to do it is twofold.
One is the very systematic and responsible behavior of Representative James Comer, who is the chairman of the House Oversight Committee, and also Jim Jordan, who is the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.
And these two have, in a very diligent way, and a very factual way, produced all this evidence, this mountain of evidence.
And this has slowly been convincing Republican members, one by one, even those that are from middle districts or swing districts, even those that would be considered on the moderate or establishment side, maybe even the rhino side of the Republican Party.
I saw a statement, I guess this is from the Senate, but coming from, of all people, Mitt Romney.
He goes, he's supportive of the House proceeding with an impeachment inquiry.
So if Romney is for it, it shows you really that This is the case where the mainstream of the Republican Party and even the, let's call it the left flank, is now on board with this.
So I would say McCarthy is not so much leading the pack as he is the leader who's now running to get ahead of where the pack already is.
The pack has reached the point, okay, this is the next step.
Now, the benefit of this impeachment inquiry, and by the way, it's making the left really nervous.
Here's an article from NBC News.
The GOP-led investigations have not uncovered evidence of wrongdoing by the president or connections between the president and Hunter Biden's foreign business dealings.
So right away, the left is, even in its news articles, you can see, starting to mount a defense on behalf of Joe Biden.
So you can see how NBC is essentially a propaganda vehicle for the Bidens.
It's not reporting the story.
It's not considering the two sides.
It is basically immediately trying to throw itself into the defense of Joe Biden, almost as if to preemptively head off an impeachment inquiry that then turns into an actual impeachment.
Kevin McCarthy says, look, it's the logical next step.
Why? Two reasons.
One is that the evidence has been mounting and mounting.
And usually when evidence mounts, it means that there's a lot more there.
Think about it. You're doing a murder investigation, and somebody points, you get a tip, it could be this guy.
Now, that doesn't by itself mean a whole lot.
Could be him, could be somebody else.
But you then realize that a particular type of gun was used in the murder, and he happens to own that type of gun, although he claims to have, quote, lost it.
And then it turns out that there is an insurance policy on the deceased, and he's the beneficiary of it.
I'm just piling on here, but you see what I mean when you see one piece of evidence piling on top of another, you go, oh, wait a minute.
Well, now it's time to look and see if he has an alibi.
Where was he exactly at the time of the murder?
And if he won't tell you, and if he lawyers up and the lawyer goes, listen, we're not submitting to any interviews, obviously you want to take whatever steps you can, get a warrant and so on, to try to find out the answers to those questions.
Well, something exactly analogous is happening here, which is to say that there's obstructionism going on all around.
The Biden DOJ is, far from being a kind of neutral or independent enforcer of the law, it's doing block and tackle for Joe Biden.
The media is doing the same thing.
The White House is doing the same thing.
The White House Counsel's Office, which is supposed to be...
Not Joe Biden's personal lawyer.
Joe Biden has a personal lawyer.
But the White House Counsel's Office is acting as if it is Joe Biden's personal lawyer.
So all of this means that these guys are all trying to prevent information from coming out.
They are spinning. They are providing, if you will, false leads to the media.
In fact, a recent letter, which I think I'll talk about tomorrow in more detail, basically telling the press, look, you need to expose the lies of this impeachment inquiry.
You need to basically come out even more than you already have on our side and go after the Republicans for even attempting to do this.
So you can see here an effort, not just on the part of the government, but to use the media to intimidate the Republicans.
And look, in the past, these kinds of things work.
So I'm not saying that the Democrats...
The Democrats are going to play hardball on the impeachment inquiry, and Republicans should be prepared for it.
This is a case where Republicans have to think strategically.
I saw a very good idea by Paul Sperry on social media today, and I shared it on X on Twitter, where he said, look, Republicans should schedule these hearings not in the typical middle of the day, but rather make them evening hearings in prime time, and then challenge the media and the networks to cover them.
Let's remember the networks covered the Trump impeachment, the networks covered the January 6th committee, and while the line right now on the part of NBC and many other media outlets is just no evidence.
I mean, let's think about it. They impeached Trump for what?
Making a phone call to the head of Ukraine to look into Joe Biden corruption, which turns out to be quite real.
And then they impeached him a second time for giving a speech in which he says, let's rally peacefully and patriotically.
Whoops, and Trump is indicted for that.
So, given the absolute groundlessness of the past two impeachments, these impeachments defended, by the way, by the same media, these are people to talk about this impeachment or this impeachment inquiry having, quote, no evidence.
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The number, again, to call A credible CIA whistleblower has gone to Congress and told them about a CIA scheme to rig the outcomes of an investigation into the origins of COVID-19.
A word about the whistleblower.
He is a longtime, in fact, It says, multi-decade, senior-level, current agency officer.
So this is not some guy who joined the CIA in the last few years.
It's a guy who's been around.
He is a career professional.
He has a long career in the CIA. And he has come forward to the congressional committees, and he said the following.
First... The CIA, along with, by the way, other agencies of the government, the Energy Department commissioned its own investigation, the FBI had its own investigation.
By the way, both those investigations, the FBI investigation and the Energy Department investigation, have both concluded that the likelihood is that COVID-19 was made in a lab.
Now, they're not saying they know that for sure.
They're saying that they know that with a, quote, low confidence.
But nevertheless, a low confidence means I still believe that this is the case, even though my level of certainty isn't high.
And the FBI Director Christopher Wray has gone before Congress, and you've probably heard him say, It's our belief that the virus was made in a lab.
Now, the CIA has been a kind of a holdout in that, basically saying there's not really enough evidence to say one way or the other.
As you know, there are some people who have said that COVID-19 has a natural origin.
It just developed out of a wet market and maybe was transferred.
The virus was transmitted from animal to humans.
And so that's one theory.
But that is an unlikely theory because they've never actually found who was the person in the wet market that got it.
In other words, how did it move from the market?
This remains unknown and, in fact, really uninvestigated.
The Chinese have really suppressed any attempt to burrow down and find out the exact truth about what happened.
Now, the CIA decided, let's look into it.
And they assigned seven officers on a COVID discovery team.
This is all according to the whistleblower.
And the group consisted of, quote, multidisciplinary and experienced officers with significant scientific expertise.
So, these are qualified people in the CIA. And according to the whistleblower, at the end of the review, out of the seven, six, six...
Said that they believed that the intelligence and the science were sufficient to say that COVID-19 originated from a lab in Wuhan.
There was only one guy who was a holdout.
There was one guy, and in fact, he was the most senior member of the team.
Most likely, he was kind of, you could almost say, the administration's man or the guy representing, if you will, this kind of Higher-ups at the CIA, what they wanted the investigation to say.
And so their man, they had one guy in there who was sort of their guy.
In any event, he said that COVID-19 did not come from a lab.
Now, the plot here thickens because you'd expect, all right, you've got this disagreement, but it is six to one.
So does the one guy, because he's more senior, get to override the other six?
Or do you put it up for a vote?
Do you essentially put out two different reports in which the six people say, this is the majority position, and the one guy says, this is my dissenting position?
All of these would be kind of reasonable ways to approach the matter, but no.
This is what happens according to the whistleblower.
The whistleblower further contends that to come to the eventual public determination of uncertainty...
The other six members were given a significant monetary incentive to change their position.
So, these six guys aren't going along.
It's like you have a jury, and it's almost like there's an official word, guilty.
But six out of the seven guys are not guilty.
Okay, guess what? Why don't we slip them some crisp dollar bills to change their position?
That's what's going on here.
This is, of course, an investigation, not a criminal trial.
But nevertheless, apparently, these six guys were paid off.
And as a result, out comes the CIA with its report, and the report says, just like the one guy wanted, we don't really know where COVID-19 originated.
There's just not enough information to have a credible belief either way.
So this is outright corruption, and fortunately, the Congress, the House is on it, and they've sent a letter to the CIA, basically saying by September 26th, which is the end of...
The end of September.
You have to give us all records about this.
Let us know if anybody got a single dollar as an incentive, especially the guys who were on this sort of team of seven.
And Congress needs to exercise its legitimate oversight.
Apparently, the culprit here, or seemingly the crook in charge, is the chief operating officer at the CIA, a guy named Andrew McCritus.
Andrew McCritus appears to be the guy who has been manipulating the results of this investigation to produce the result that he wanted in advance.
And in a sense, trying to buy out or buy over the six guys who are not willing to, at least initially not willing to go along.
Whether they all said, okay, we'll take the cash and we'll go along.
Okay, fine. I'd rather have a nice retirement.
I don't really care what you say in the report.
We don't really know yet.
But you can see here the way in which these police agencies, which, by the way, do not have enough scrutiny.
They are giddy with their own power.
They're giddy with the idea that they can manipulate intelligence, manipulate data.
And so I'm really glad that, A, this information has come out.
That alone is a tribute to the whistleblower.
We normally wouldn't even find out about this.
And second, that Congress is taking at least some steps that it can to hold this whole process accountable.
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I want to talk about the process for watching the movie Police State in the theater.
Before I do, I was happy to see that President Trump put out a statement on Truth Social.
Really, it was a quotation from me, a quotation that's from the website of the movie.
And I'll read the quotation.
Police State is a movie that I never wanted to make.
Because I never wanted America to get to a point where a movie like this needed to be made.
I feel like the animal that alerts the herd to approaching danger so we can take precautionary steps before it's too late.
Now, Debbie hadn't seen this quotation that I put up on the website when I mentioned to her that Trump put out the quote and then linked to the trailer so people can see the trailer at policestatefilm.net.
Debbie's like, I think I know where you got that idea of the animal alerting the herd.
The two of us have been watching Prehistoric.
Is it Prehistoric Planet?
Is that what it's called? On, is it Apple?
It's on Apple and it's really a wonderfully recreated documentary about the age of the dinosaurs, but of course there's a lot of warnings of herds and fleeing from predators and so on, and that may have been in my mind when I composed this quotation.
In any event, really grateful to President Trump for sharing it, and I'm looking for the opportunity to be able to show him the movie, to do a private screening for him so he knows what's coming in the film.
Now, we have bought out multiple theaters, hundreds of theaters around the country to show this film.
And it's not being shown quite in the normal way.
And here's what I mean.
With 2,000 meals, we bought out about 80,000 seats.
And by the way, as those dates emerged, came closer, those seats were gone and people were like desperate to get tickets.
They wanted a seat in the theater and we were flooded with requests.
Hey, I'm going to ask my local theater to show it and so on.
So I kind of want to explain how this process works.
We show the films to the theater chains.
They watch the film.
They make sure that they like the film and want to feature it in their theaters.
And then they give us an opportunity to buy out these theaters.
And we've bought out, in this case, not 80,000, but something like 140,000 seats.
So there's a lot of theater tickets available.
And they're all separated by venue and by state.
And if you go on the website, which is policestatefilm.net, All you have to do is enter in the state or enter in your zip code and boom, it'll tell you which theaters are playing near you.
But having made this deal with the theaters, we're not able to sort of change it.
So people go, oh well, there's a theater right next to my house or oh well, my...
I want to approach a theater.
Oh, I want to do a private screening in a theater.
None of that is really going to work.
So I would urge you to sort of go along with us and try to go see it in a theater that's already up there.
We're not able to add theaters.
You have to see it in the theaters that are there now.
And we've made the process very simple.
By the way, you can't go on Fandango or any of the movie sites to buy tickets.
There's only one place to buy tickets, and there'll be only one place to buy tickets for this movie, and it's the website, policedatefilm.net.
Notice it's.net and not.com.
Now, the theatrical, which is October 23rd and 25th, just two days, And again, we're not going to be able to add days, so don't say, I can't go on those two days.
Can you please make it available on another day?
It's going to be on those two days in a lot of theaters.
And then we will have a virtual premiere to follow, and it'll be available widely for digital download and streaming, and you'll be able to buy DVDs.
So look, if you...
If a theater is 100 miles away and you don't want to drive 100 miles, I understand.
Just wait. You'll have other ways to see the film.
But if you want to see it in the theater, and by the way, if you want to be kind of a hero to your friends and your family, buy a bunch of tickets now.
Buy 5, buy 10, buy 20.
And the cool thing is, as you get closer, tickets will be hard to get, or you're going to, you know, only tickets available to sit in the front row where nobody really wants to sit.
And then you're like, hey, we're going to have movie night.
We're going to go see the film on October 23rd or October 25th.
So be the early bird that gets the worm and get your tickets now.
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It's D-I-N-E-S-H, Dinesh.
Guys, I'd like to bring onto the podcast two new guests.
One is the Reverend Steve Lee.
He's an ordained pastor.
In fact, he's been a pastor at the Missouri Synod, a Lutheran church.
It's Living Word Lutheran Church in Orland Park, Chicago, the suburb of Chicago.
And the other guest is his lawyer, whose name is David Shastokis.
And Mr. Sheehan.
Shostokas is representing Reverend Lee, who was indicted along with President Trump in the Fulton County, Georgia election interference case.
I'm also going to give you a give-send-go for Chaplain Lee.
It is just givesendgo.com slash chaplainlee.
Let me begin with you, Chaplain Lee.
Talk a little bit about your background and your life, because I'm sure that the last thing that you expected as a pastor, as a chaplain, as someone who has a long career in law enforcement, to find yourself in this bizarre situation of being indicted in an election case in Georgia.
Dinesh, thanks for having me and Dave on your podcast here.
I do appreciate it.
Very well stated in terms of my reaction.
This is very shocking.
It's very serious.
Something I never would have expected.
Something, of course, I've never experienced in my life.
I've always been on the other side of the issues in terms of my former life in law enforcement as a local and federal officer.
Always supporting the Constitution and the rule of law and the laws.
And obviously a very clean background.
But then transitioned to ministry midlife.
And because of my prior experience, I was encouraged and indeed did follow a ministry track that included not just local church ministry, but also law enforcement chaplaincy ministry.
I have done lots of things, including training, developing curriculum and teaching at one of our seminaries, chaplaincy, producing books, including a Bible for law enforcement.
We got about 40,000 of those out over the years in five editions, including also a book that I wrote for officers called Back Up on the Beat.
And these things are still available, used on Amazon sometimes.
But then also doing direct what's called critical incident response of major national significance, starting with Columbine, but including Ground Zero, 9-11, and Katrina, lots of hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, even a tsunami, lots of mass shootings.
And ministering to people whatever their needs happen to be and trying to help, all according and in keeping with the rule of law and being respectful of professional kinds of ethics and things of that nature.
Let me turn for a moment to you, David, and ask you this.
There's a RICO conspiracy argument here.
And I'm guessing that in a conspiracy, you sort of need to rope in a bunch of people because otherwise, if they were to just indict, let's just say, Donald Trump, they'd go, well, how can you have a conspiracy of one guy?
So, you've got all these other people who are kind of looped in, some of whom appear not to have had any dealings or contact with Trump directly.
So, talk a little bit about, from a legal point of view...
I mean, how do they rope in Pastor Lee into this Georgia Rico case?
Well, I can tell you some of what their theories are.
I certainly don't agree with any of them.
You mentioned about President Trump.
Pastor Lee has never met President Trump.
He doesn't know him. As best of my knowledge, he's never even been in the same room with him or Mayor Giuliani or Jenna Ellis or Mark Meadows or Any of the other big names that are involved in this and yet somehow or other they've accused Pastor Lee of being part of this RICO, Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization, which apparently the stated goal is to illegally overturn The 2020 presidential election nationwide.
I think that's interesting for people to notice that Fannie Willis, the district attorney of Fulton County, seems to have declared that she has jurisdiction over the entire country.
Not just over what things that happen in Fulton County.
Because that includes, they have 161, what they call, over to acts.
And among the over to acts, they have lawyers giving legal advice.
They have folks lobbying state legislatures.
Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, in addition to Georgia.
And of course, Pastor Lee, they say that he knocked down a couple of doors.
And when he knocked on these doors, what they say his intent was to influence a witness and intimidate an election worker illegally in an effort to overturn The 2020 election.
And while some of this sounds very curious, Dinesh, I think it's important for people to note that we have to take this very, very seriously, because in the overall RICO charge, there's the president, Pastor Lee, and 17 others.
And the potential penalty for that is five years in minimum Georgia State Prison.
Up to 20 years, and it's a mandatory minimum.
There's no community service, there's no probation, there's no home confinement.
It's a mandatory minimum, five years in a Georgia state prison.
And I think people need to know that even though some of it sounds like, geez, lawyers giving legal advice, all these other things that are actually exercises of the First Amendment, Are being criminalized, and the people that are cheering these things on don't understand that they're cheering on the demise of their own civil rights when they cheer on this activity.
Certainly, we expect to have a jury, and the pastor has already entered a plea of not guilty, and you heard him mention what his experiences are.
And, you know, he's an American hero.
He's not a criminal, but he's been at Columbine.
He chaplained in the post 9-11 to the NYPD and the hurricanes.
Any place there's been some sort of chaotic situation in the United States of America in the last 30 years, Pastor Lee has been there.
And I would suggest that Georgia was in chaos in the aftermath of the election of 2020.
And it would not be unusual to find Pastor Lee to be in Georgia.
Let's take a pause, guys, but before we, and we'll be back in a moment, the website to go to, GiveSendGo, this is a place that you can donate to his legal defense, GiveSendGo.com slash Chaplain Lee, L-E-E, so GiveSendGo.com Chaplain Lee.
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Feel the difference. I'm back with Reverend Steve Lee and his attorney, David Shastokas.
And we're talking about the Georgia RICO case.
Reverend Lee, let me turn to you and ask just about the experience of the arrest, the indictment.
Kind of walk me through a little bit of how this went down.
Did you get a phone call?
Did you get a letter? Did someone show up at your door?
What exactly happened to sort of draw you into this criminal case?
Yeah, and here, if it's okay, Dinesh, I'll defer to David.
And happy to discuss, you know, especially my life before all of this, but I really have to defer to him in this situation.
Go ahead, David. Talk a little bit about what happened to Pastor Lee, and you've talked about what he's facing.
Yeah, in the initial situation, Vanessa, I think it's worthwhile to have people know that in November 2020, this special purpose grand jury in Georgia, in Fulton County, Georgia, sent a subpoena to Illinois to compel Reverend Lee's testimony in their investigation.
And for folks that don't understand this, a court's authority, a state court's authority to compel testimony ends at the borders of the state unless they get cooperation from the state of residence of the witness they're seeking.
And so we wound up having three hearings before a judge in Illinois, in Kendall County, Illinois.
And at the conclusion of that, the judge made a finding.
He said, you know, they haven't even presented enough evidence to consider Pastor Lee a material witness in this matter.
And he denied the request to compel his appearance.
After that, we didn't hear anything from folks in Georgia until waking up on the morning of August the 15th to find out late at night Fannie Willis had held a press conference indicating the indictments were issued.
So that was actually the very first after the court activity in Illinois when the Illinois judge says there's not even enough room to be a witness.
And so then after that, we actually never got any kind of official notification.
All we had was the press conference and what she said in the press conference was that there was an August 25th date to surrender and things of that nature.
And so we wound up, I actually wound up tracking down the prosecutors in Georgia.
We never actually had any official notice from them for anything.
And ultimately, we had this conversation, myself and we have local counsel in Georgia, and they portrayed it in the media as if the counsel for the defendants were having some sort of negotiations about surrender.
There were no negotiations.
They said, here's the conditions of bond.
When you get done with it, it's a $75,000 bond for Pastor Lee.
I said, Pastor Lee, given his situation, he doesn't even own his home.
There's no probability of him coming up with the 10% or $7,500 to do this.
They said, well, we don't care.
And so that was the situation.
And so an organization in Illinois by the name of the Illinois Family Institute started a fundraising activity for Pastor Lee.
By the evening of Thursday, before the date to surrender, they'd only raised $4,000.
And they'd only started three or four days, but they'd raised $4,000 by that point.
I did a podcast that night with Silk, of Diamond and Silk.
And I explained to her, and she was telling her audience what was going on and asking them to help out.
And at the end, she said, well, if this doesn't work out, he's going to be arrested and won't be in church on Sunday.
I said, that's right, ma'am.
She said, I am going to make up the $3,500 that you guys are short.
And she did that within the next couple hours.
So he'd gone to bed the night before we were going to fly to Georgia thinking he was going to be in custody the next day.
And he didn't even know until Friday morning when he was on his way to the airport that Silk had done this and that he was going to actually not be taken into custody on that Friday.
So it's pretty astounding.
You might ask him about his preparations.
He was planning on doing Bible studies in the jail, and he'd given me a long list of what would be necessary for his incarceration.
As you know, these are not simple matters to deal with.
And so we were astonished and astounded because of what had happened here in Illinois back in November.
We were astonished to find him indicted along with this other people.
We are not able, just because of the nature of litigation, to go into the details of what he is alleged to have done or what was his state of mind when he did this, because that's really what the state of Georgia is trying to prove.
I guess that he had nefarious intentions and that he was trying to somehow overturn a legitimate election in Georgia.
But... Let me ask you the broader question, because you have made the statement that there are five rights that are specified in the First Amendment.
We think of the First Amendment as freedom of speech, but if you look at it more carefully, there's more in it than just that.
There are five rights in the First Amendment, and all of those are being violated in this case.
Talk about what those five rights are and how they're being violated.
Absolutely. There's five rights, as you mentioned, religion, speech, assembly, press, the right to petition the government for redressing grievances.
When you get said and done, you've got an indictment against the president for giving a speech.
You know, for starters, you have Pastor Lee indicted for knocking on people's doors, and of course, in a pastoral setting.
So you've got some religious issues involved in this matter.
The petition to government for redressing grievances, you have Mark Meadows, Jen Ellis, Rudy Giuliani, all indicted for lobbying state legislators.
And so it goes on and on, Dinesh.
There's 161 what they call overt acts.
Each and every one of those, absent two, 159 of them are actually protected First Amendment activities.
And they are declaring these to be illegal.
In the state of Georgia. And if people do not understand that, what they need to understand about this case is we need to defeat this case on every level because if we do not, their rights under the First Amendment are gone.
The First Amendment will have been eviscerated and will no longer exist.
It will exist only on paper.
And so I suggest to folks that they really need to take an interest in what's happening in Georgia.
I mean, I agree with that.
And the site to donate is givesendgo.com.
One word, givesendgo.com slash Chaplain Lee.
Reverend Lee David Shostokos, thank you very much for joining me.
We honor you, Father, for all that you've done for us.
Chief Division Counsel and DOJ have approved a no-knock breach.
We want the subject to be on display.
Doing the walk of shame, full visual impact.
Any questions? Are we becoming a police state?
Government told American citizens they couldn't go to church on Sunday.
For the first time in my life, I'd say to myself, am I going to get a knock at the door?
FBI! Come to the door now!
The Patriot Act and FISA were used against Donald Trump.
These individuals have commissioned the biggest propaganda play in U.S. history.
They don't go after the people that rigged the election.
They go after the people that want to find out what the hell happened.
We don't need to have a crime.
What we need is a person to look at.
And then we go find out what crime you did.
Our focus is shifting.
Our main priority as a bureau is going to be domestic terrorism.
It really paints anybody who's right of center.
If you're a pro-life, pro-family Catholic, they define you as radical.
These are anti-government.
We have freedom of religion and freedom of speech.
Violent extremists, and they must be dealt with.
We can do anything we want.
♪♪ A professor of criminology at Florida State has been fired, has been given the boot for, get this, faking his data to prove white supremacy.
What a team!
Well, I mean, we all know that we're living in a society where white supremacy is no longer really a serious problem.
You have, in any large society, you're going to have an incident here or an incident there.
But what happens is you've got a whole industry that's looking for white supremacy because they live on it, right?
These are people who get tenure.
I mean, let's look at this guy. He's a professor named Eric Stewart.
African American scholar.
And it turns out he was making a handsome career as the guy who proves racism.
He's widely cited because there are lots of other scholars who are like, let's cite this guy.
He really knows that racism is going on in a big way.
So he has 8,500 citations by other researchers.
He was vice president and fellow at the American Society of Criminology.
He was a W.E.B. Dubois fellow at the National Institute for Justice.
He got government grants from the National Institute for Mental Health to study the mental health effects of racism.
He got grants from the National Science Foundation, from the National Institute of Justice, all of them funneling money into his research.
And it turns out what this guy would do is he would create these samples, and he would go out and study a question, and if the results came in and were not what he wanted, he would change the sample.
So in other words, he was a fraud.
He's not a real researcher.
He's a faker. In a sense, he's a con artist masquerading as a scholar.
Now, And fortunately, one of his own students, which is to say a young man named Justin Pickett, was going over the professor's studies, and he noticed that the results were coming out differently than the professor was reporting.
And so he began to dig into it, and he realized this guy is changing the sample sizes in order to alter the results.
Very easy to do, by the way.
Think about it. You do a survey of 100 people basically saying, was President Trump, is he being falsely accused or is he guilty of trying to overthrow democracy?
And let's say 70, 30 go, well, he's being falsely charged.
What you do is you start dropping people from that part of the sample and then you go back and ask a sample that is now weighted with Democrats and ask them the same question.
You present that as a sample of the whole population.
So, This is academic sleight of hand, academic ledger domain.
Let's look at some of the studies that this guy was putting out.
Apparently, he was putting out a study that said that the legacy of lynchings in America was responsible for whites thinking that blacks today are a greater criminal threat than whites.
Well... On average, blacks are a greater criminal threat than whites, but that's because of the differences of arrest rates and criminal activity and populations in jails and so on.
So you don't need to go to the history of lynchings.
By the way, you know, lynchings effectively ended in the 1960s.
So we're talking to the people who were doing the lynchings and the victims of their lynchings are by and large either dead or extremely old.
So obviously there's no crime that's coming directly from there.
Here's another study which basically talks about the fact that blacks and Latinos are far more dangerous, that they are perceived as far more dangerous by whites.
But again, the results were manipulated by this guy.
Examining public support for judicial use of ethnicity in punishment.
This is the so-called racial profiling, the idea that somehow blacks get higher penalties for doing the same crimes as whites.
Again, this is a guy who obviously wants to prove that that is the case because, of course, all of this is an attempt to show that America is systematically racist.
So, because America is not systematically racist, what do you do?
You basically go academic Jussie Smollett.
You fake the data to create racial perceptions where none exist, to create racial incidents where none exist.
And so, look, the university, which I'm sure was very reluctant to fire this guy, in fact, he came out really quickly basically saying that this itself was a kind of a lynching, that he was being mistreated, that they were going after him because of his race.
But it turns out that academically, these studies have now been retracted, which is just a terrible embarrassment.
Basically, it's kind of like admitting that these results were tampered with.
This is evidence that is fake.
And the dean of the school has sent the professor a letter basically saying, we can't tolerate this kind of academic malpractice at our institution, and you are out of here.
I'm continuing my discussion of Alexander Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago, where in the very beginning of the book, the first chapter called Arrest, and Solzhenitsyn writes as follows.
Not everyone can be arrested at home with a preliminary knock on the door.
And not everyone can be arrested at work either.
If the person to be arrested is vicious, it's better to seize him outside his ordinary milieu, away from family and colleagues, from those who share his views, from any hiding places.
It's essential he has no chance to destroy, hide, or pass on anything to anyone.
VIPs in the military or the party were sometimes first given New assignments ensconced in a private railway car and then arrested en route.
Some obscure ordinary mortals scared to death by epidemic arrests all around him and already depressed for a week by sinister glances from his chief is suddenly summoned to the local party committee, Where he is beamingly presented with a vacation ticket to a Sochi sanitarium.
So, what Solzhenitsyn is describing here is they want to arrest this guy who's a member of the Communist Party.
And the guy is already under stress.
He probably knows he's being surveilled.
But nevertheless, they tell him, hey, come on over.
You know what? We notice you're a little bit stressed.
There's a kind of a spa.
And we're going to give you some tickets so you can go and relax and unwind.
This is of course a kind of a tactic to put him at ease.
Solzhenitsyn continues, the rabbit is overwhelmed and immediately concludes his fears were groundless.
After expressing his gratitude, he hurries home, triumphant, to pack his suitcase.
It's only two hours until train time.
He scolds his wife for being too slow.
He arrives at the station with time to spare.
And there in the waiting room of bar, he is hailed by an extraordinary, pleasant young man.
Don't you remember me, Pyotr Ivanich?
Piotr Ivanich has difficulty remembering.
Well, not exactly, you see, although the young man, however, is overflowing with friendly concern.
Come now, how can that be?
I'll have to remind you.
And he bows respectfully to Piotr Ivanich's wife.
You must forgive us. I'll keep him for just one minute.
The wife accedes, and trustingly, the husband lets himself be led away by the arm...
So, this is the kind of bottomless deceit and sneakiness with which these arrest operations are carried out.
By the way, not just in the Soviet Union, but also here.
Think about the things that Soviet Union is talking about.
Make sure that the person is defenseless.
They have no place to run.
They are not expecting this to happen.
The FBI raid at 6am in the morning turned their life topsy-turvy.
And false pretenses in many cases.
Oh no, we're just bringing you down for a couple of questions we have to ask you.
And then when you get there, you find out that you are locked up.
Now you might say, wait a minute, there's a really important difference in the United States.
We're under rule of law.
Nobody can just be thrown into a prison and left there to rot.
Well, yes, but that's only because in Solzhenitsyn's time, the police state had been fully established.
If the police state were fully established here, it would be the same here as well.
You wouldn't have rule of law.
You wouldn't have trials. You wouldn't have any of that.
It wouldn't even be necessary.
And And by the way, even in the Soviet Union, in the very beginning, you did have trials.
You did have rule of law.
You had judges and robes and so on.
The only difference is that those people were members of the Communist Party itself.
So another way to put it is that the rule of law was a kind of a mask or a masquerade, whereas in fact it was nothing more than a political witch hunt against members of the opposition, against priests, against students who were seen to be dissidents, socialists of the wrong type, and Now, the importunity...
Of alleged acquaintances is so abrupt, writes Solzhenitsyn, that only a person who has not had the wolfish preparation of camp life is likely to pull back from it.
Now, let's translate here.
What Solzhenitsyn is saying is that you find yourself in an environment where you think you're safe.
It could be a cocktail party, it could be the opera, it could be a train station.
And some guy comes up to you and he goes, hey!
And he acts like he knows you.
And Solzhenitsyn goes, this is so cunning!
You know, someone who says, oh, I was a classmate.
We were in school together.
It was many years ago.
I don't remember. But you're off your guard.
He goes, the only kind of people who know what's coming, who are ready for what trap is being set for them, are the kind of people who've already been in the gulag.
Because the experience of the gulag is so embittering.
It creates so much cynicism and so much kind of suspicion that you now know not to trust anybody under really any circumstances whatsoever.
But most people aren't like that.
And so they're trusting.
They're like, yeah, this guy obviously must have met him somewhere.
Not knowing this guy is either an informant or he's an agent.
His job is to lure you to where a bunch of people can jump on you and shove you into a car.
Do not suppose, says Solzhenitsyn, that if you are an employee of the American Embassy, you cannot be arrested in broad daylight on Gorky Street, right by the Central Telegraph office.
Your unfamiliar friend dashes through the press of the crowd, opens his plundering arms to embrace you.
Sasha! He simply shouts at you with no effort to be inconspicuous.
Hey, pal, long time no see.
Come on over. Let's get out of the way.
And at that very moment, Pobita Sedan draws up to the curb, dot, dot, dot, and several days later, TAS, this is the Soviet press agency, will issue an angry statement to all the papers alleging that informed circles of the Soviet government have no experience about the disappearance of X. So, in other words... Even if you're a foreign official in Soviet Russia, they can grab you, you disappear, and then they pretend like, what?
We don't know. We have no idea where this guy is.
We don't know what really happened.
And that's as far as it goes the end of the story, because the foreign press is then unable to penetrate this kind of veil of bureaucracy and this veil of secrecy.
So this is what the police state feels like in action.
This is what we want to avoid coming here.
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