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WHO IS THIS MAN? Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep637
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Coming up, I'll talk about some highlights of a remarkable interview with historian David Garrow, a biographer of Barack Obama, about the great deceiver himself.
I will talk about the fact that Trump is facing all these indictments.
Is it possible that Trump will go to prison?
I'll show you why that may be actually very difficult for that to happen.
And I'm joined by Dr.
Miriam Grossman, MD. She's a psychiatrist and author of Lost in Trans Nation.
We're going to be talking about the trans issue and about parents.
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Barack Obama was first elected in 2008, re-elected in 2012.
He sprung to the scene in 2004 when he made that speech at the Democratic National Convention.
So we've gotten to know Obama, well, if you date back to 2004, almost 20 years.
His presidency, about 15 years.
And yet, I would argue, we...
An aura of mystery continues to surround Obama.
And I've tried myself to unravel that mystery in a few ways.
I wrote The Roots of Obama's Rage.
That was around 2010.
That, in fact, became the basis for the film that I did, 2016, Obama's America.
Which brought to light all kinds of new facts about Obama, not always flattering.
And, of course, I should have realized when I did that that I had a big target on my back.
Because if you take on the most powerful guy in the world, Obama by then was in the White House, that the empire was going to strike back, as it did.
And then I also wrote a book called Obama's America that came after the film.
And all of this showed that Obama's, well, the portrait of Obama that had been put forward by Obama himself and supported by the media.
Obama's this guy who has been an overcomer of racial conflict.
He's a guy who's deeply touched by the civil rights movement.
When you thought of Obama, you're like, here's the new Martin Luther King.
Here's a guy you might associate with Selma and Montgomery and the civil rights marches.
And, of course, all of this is completely remote from Obama.
In some ways, arguably, even the race issue is remote from Obama.
He takes advantage of it.
He, of course, stoked racial tensions when he was in the White House.
But it's not what really defines him.
What really defines him is something quite different.
Now, all of this is a way of saying that there's a recent interview that appeared in Tablet Magazine.
David Samuels, a respected journalist, does an in-depth conversation with David Garrow.
Now, who's David Garrow?
He's a Pulitzer Prize-winning historian.
He wrote, in fact, he is a historian of the civil rights movement.
And he wrote a book called Bearing the Cross, which is essentially, well, it's partly a biography of Martin Luther King, but goes beyond Martin Luther King.
And Garrow did this in-depth interview.
Well, he did a number of interviews with Obama, and he published a book We're good to go.
And he compiled a sort of psychological profile of Obama.
And Garrow, in a way, although he took a very different tack than me, he didn't focus on the anti-colonial aspect of Obama at all.
In fact, part of his argument is that Obama really is a...
It's a guy who makes up his own past.
He fictionalizes his own history.
And so you can't trust the book Dreams from My Father, which was Obama's.
Well, that was Obama's own, the making of Barack Obama.
Now, I read that book very carefully.
In fact, I saw in that book a series of ideological formations and commitments completely different from what the media was saying about Obama.
And that's why I went to Hawaii, which encaptured the kind of anti-colonial education system of Hawaii.
Hawaii was colonized by the white man.
It was sort of annexed by the United States.
All those anti-colonial themes in Hawaii.
Then I went to Indonesia. Obama's mom remarried after she divorced a Barack Obama senior.
She married an Indonesian guy.
He was a sort of freedom fighter against colonialism in Indonesia.
And I captured the...
Well, there are a lot of passages in Obama's book where he talks about Indonesia and how Indonesia was exploited as a colony.
And so you get that anti-colonial fervor in Obama.
It's right there in the movie. By the way, if you haven't seen 2016 Obama's America, it's available on Apple iTunes.
I'm not sure if it's on Amazon Prime.
It's easy for you to watch.
And you'll see that even now, all these years later...
And look, the relevance of this is that Obama is still, he's still got his fingers in the pie.
First of all, he lives in Washington, D.C. Kind of odd, right?
Here's a guy, he served two terms, you'd think he would go someplace else, live out the rest of his life.
No, he wants to run things.
He said on video, not very long ago, that he wouldn't mind a third term.
He doesn't necessarily want to serve it himself, but he wouldn't mind whispering into the ear of somebody else who would carry out his orders.
Maybe that's what he's doing now.
So, the fact that Obama people are all around Joe Biden, that Joe Biden is not driving the car, but it's the Obama-ites who are doing this, and perhaps it's Obama himself.
That's playing a key role.
All of this establishes why we're still talking about Obama.
And I want to highlight in the next segment some aspects from this interview that talk about Obama and things about Obama that we didn't know before.
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I want to highlight a couple of interesting revelations in an in-depth interview between journalist David Samuels and Obama biographer David Garrow.
Now, what I'm gonna talk about doesn't do justice to the richness and complexity of this interview, and I think it's actually worth a more in-depth treatment that I'm going to give it today.
So I'm just gonna touch upon some of the highlights in the interview, and then perhaps tomorrow, I will go a little bit more in-depth into, because there are a lot of textures here and kind of side lights that bring out Obama in a way that is recognizable to someone like me who knows, who has a pretty good grasp on Obama.
And as I say, it's all, it relates to what we're doing now because Obama remains, the ghost of Obama, arguably, is still around, and some would argue that Obama himself is still running the place.
Now, the aspect of the interview that's gotten the most attention is this idea that Obama, that his girlfriend, talks about his, quote, gay fantasies.
And we're talking about a woman named Alex McNeer.
She was Obama's girlfriend at Occidental College.
And apparently, Obama not only told her, but he wrote letters to her about how, quote, he repeatedly fantasizes about making love to men.
Now, this is all very interesting because you might recall that in the film Trump Card, I interview a guy named Larry Sinclair who talks about the fact that his dealings with Obama were far more than fantasies.
He actually had a male sexual relationship with Obama.
By the way, I recently posted the conversation between me and Larry Sinclair on Twitter and on social media.
So even if you haven't seen the film, you can go to my Twitter feed and watch it there.
And I'm scrolling through.
A couple of people say things like, well, Dinesh, you know, who really cares about this?
This is basically whether Obama's gay and so on.
Well, obviously, the guy hasn't watched the interview.
Why? Because if you watch the interview, it's really...
Well, it's not just about sex.
It's about sex, lies, and murder.
Now, I mean, let's remember, you got this paddleboarding guy, Obama's chef, and down he goes in eight feet deep water and drowns.
Larry Sinclair talks about a guy named Donald Young.
Donald Young was the choir director or one of the choir leaders in Jeremiah Wright's church.
And this guy, who Larry Sinclair had some dealings with, they talked to each other.
This is a guy who apparently had a sexual relationship with Obama.
And then, guess what?
He ends up dead.
He ends up shot in his apartment.
The crime is never solved.
It's never traced back to anyone.
None other than Darnell Young's own mother goes on, tells the media, now the media doesn't really cover this, it only appears as far as I could find in one tabloid magazine, but she in effect says, Obama or the people around Obama did this to my son.
In other words, my son was killed because of his association with Barack Obama.
Now, think about this.
If this was Trump, this would be a Massive scandal.
There'd be reporters descending upon the place.
There'd be demands for an investigation and so on.
But here, nothing.
Dead silence. And all of this gives you the idea that Obama is, and I would argue even more than Biden, the most protected man on the planet.
Lots of information about Obama has been concealed.
His colleges are hiding his transcripts.
They're hiding his thesis.
All kinds of things about Obama that should be known are not known.
So this is a very, I won't say he's a Manchurian candidate, but he's a sphinx-like figure.
And that's why people like David Garrow, like me, are trying to sort of get behind the curtain and excavate or find out the real Obama.
So this is the relevance of...
I'm just going to quote a couple of lines here.
He says, He says, He goes, there are regular meetings over there.
People from the White House go over there.
And yet, you'd think there'd be stakeouts outside Obama's house, who's coming in, who's leaving, who's talking to Obama.
And he goes, quote, there are zero stakeouts of Obama's mansion, if only to tell us who's coming and going.
Then, says David Garrow, he has no interest in building the Democratic Party as an institution.
In other words, Obama is not loyal to anyone other than himself.
He also says, quote, Barack is actually just as insecure as Trump.
Let's leave aside the issue of Trump's insecurity, because lots of people have discussed that.
This idea that Obama, even though he projects an aura of...
Security, intellectual confidence.
We shouldn't confuse ISIS and ISIL, as if he knows the difference.
Or he likes to, you know, we shouldn't call it Pakistan, it's Pakistan.
So, you've got Obama.
He's all this pretensions, all this posing, all this preening.
But, says David Garrow, behind it, a trembling, insecure man.
He's also unbelievably lazy.
Garrow says he can't go on the Supreme Court.
Quote, he'd be terrible because he's too lazy.
It goes back to him being Hawaiian.
At one point he says, quote, I'm fundamentally lazy because I'm from Hawaii.
That's Obama talking again.
Have you heard this reported?
Have you seen this anywhere else?
Nowhere. And then to me, the crusher, quote, he's happy to go on NPR and talk about meaning or Marilyn Robinson novels or whatever to make the wine moms identify with him so he can put one over on them.
Just don't ask him to visit the hospital when you get cancer because he'll be hanging out on someone's yacht.
With the other winners.
And there you have, in a nutshell, the character, the personality, the morality, or I should say immorality, of Barack Obama.
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Ever since these indictments came down on Trump, the New York indictment, the two indictments by the special counsel, there is a kind of...
Explosion of glee on the part of the left in the media and on social media.
Trump is going to prison.
And historian Michael Beschloss recently alluded to this.
Mark Elias, the Democratic attorney, has done this as well.
Many others, Joe Scarborough, those kinds of people, Trump is going to face the music.
He's going to be locked up.
Yeah, we'll see how he likes it when he's in a cell.
You MAGA people are going to have to get used to your man being behind bars.
So there's a sort of almost elation over the prospect of Trump being incarcerated.
And in fairness, it should be said...
It is going to be hard for me to see how Trump could be exonerated on all these charges.
So it's almost like the left here is using a shotgun approach.
If you go with one charge, maybe pick your most serious charge, then you could say, well, Trump could defeat it.
But when you go with multiple counts, and then you put them before a jury, and not one jury, many juries, juries in Florida, juries in Washington, D.C., juries in New York.
Now, look, the ultimate adjudication is probably going to come from the Supreme Court.
So it's not like what a jury even says is going to be the final word.
But it could be that left-wing judges and left-wing juries, and certainly in this latest case, the case...
Involving January 6th election fraud, Trump knew he was lying.
You have a left-wing judge, Tanya Chutkin, and you're going to have most likely a jury heavily biased to the left.
So that's very bad news for Trump.
In fact, Julie Kelly tweeted, quote, Trump is doomed.
And I think what she means is he's doomed in expecting to get a fair trial.
And so all of this might suggest that if the Supreme Court doesn't intervene and intervene in all the cases or intervene in any case where Trump gets any kind of conviction whatsoever, because the charges are serious enough that they would almost inevitably come with jail time.
But here's a question raised by the Washington Post, and I didn't even really think about it.
And interestingly, the Washington Post raises it.
Is it possible for Trump even to go to jail?
Now you would go, well, why not?
We keep hearing on social media.
No one is above the law.
But the Post makes an interesting point.
There is a federal law that has been around, I think since 1965, that gives presidents and ex-presidents full Secret Service protection.
And that means that they are put in a position where they cannot be in danger.
This is a law that allows the president to keep Secret Service protection for life.
Now, there is one president, Richard Nixon, who declined it.
He said he would provide his own protection.
But by and large, a president who wants it gets it.
And so the point is, how does somebody get prison time and at the same time be protected by the Secret Service?
Does the Secret Service sort of like move into the prison?
Do they start operating out of the prison?
Is Trump in a special prison, which is cordoned off by Secret Service?
Well, the Washington Post interviews a bunch of people who have knowledge of this sort of thing.
And by and large, what I get out of it is, what they're saying is, Trump really can't go to prison.
Not in the normal way.
So here is a guy named Rosenberg, Chuck Rosenberg.
He's a former top federal prosecutor, counsel to FBI Director James Comey.
Quote, Probation, fines, community service, and home confinement are all alternatives.
So kind of what this guy is saying, as I take it, is that prison in the normal sense is not going to work.
There is, in fact, no way to create a secret service cordon around Trump inside of an existing prison facility.
And so he goes, probation, fines, community service, of course, home confinement...
Trump would be at Mar-a-Lago.
So, not exactly prison.
I've been there. Debbie's been there.
We wouldn't mind moving in there.
Now, there are other guys who are interviewed who offer a different perspective.
Here's a guy named Jonathan Wackrow, former Secret Service agent, now running a risk advisory company.
And he goes,"...unless there are changes in legislation or the former president waives protection, the U.S. Secret Service would likely maintain a protective environment around the president in accordance with current practices." And then, of course, the Post interviews the Secret Service and they basically go, yeah, we're just going to do our job.
We are required by law to provide this kind of protection for the president and we're going to keep doing it.
So, in other words, any judge that is presiding over a verdict that gives Trump prison time is going to have to deal with this issue.
Now, there's some suggestions that they could figure out a way, make some sort of accommodation, but no accommodation is described in the Washington Post article that would make any kind of logistical sense.
And so, this becomes a very interesting point.
The left is excited about Trump being, quote, a normal criminal.
They recently quoted the sheriff in Georgia.
In Fulton County, he's like, yeah, if there's an indictment coming down against Trump, we're going to take a mugshot like everybody else.
He's not going to get any kind of special treatment.
So they want Trump to be an ordinary criminal.
And yet, given the law that provides Secret Service protection to former presidents, it's really hard to see how he could be.
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Guys, I'd like to welcome a new guest to the podcast.
It's Dr. Miriam Grossman, MD.
She's a board certified in psychiatry and also in the subspecialty of child and adolescent psychiatry.
She's written several books, most recently Lost in Trans Nation, the book we're going She's lectured at the British House of Lords, the United Nations.
She's also featured in the Daily Wire film, What is a Woman?
Her website, MiriamGrossmanMD.com.
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Dr. Grossman, welcome.
This issue of the trans phenomenon, if you will, is something that has kind of sprung upon us in a way.
It's suddenly everywhere.
You've written a really powerful book about it.
Let's start by talking about...
Your credentials to talk about this important subject because this is something that you've dealt with for a while and you are an expert in the field of child psychiatry.
Talk a little bit about your educational background and how long you've been in practice.
Sure. Well, like you said, I have a medical degree and I specialized in psychiatry and then in child and adolescent psychiatry.
That was quite a long time ago.
I've been in practice, I don't know, 35, almost 40 years probably.
So I've seen thousands and thousands of kids and families.
What happened in terms of the transgender issue is that a number of years ago, almost 15 years ago, I stumbled across this issue in my study of sex education.
And I was astonished to see at that time, this was in the late 2000s, The kids were being told by sex educators that sex was quote-unquote assigned at birth, which of course it is not.
By the way, congratulations on your granddaughter talking about births.
Well, thank you. We couldn't be more excited.
Little Marigold has just crossed the two-week mark and is starting to get a little feisty, as they do, I guess, at about that age.
So it's a wonderful experience.
Well, I'm so glad for you and the rest of your family and your daughter and son-in-law to be experiencing the life-changing and awesome experience of bringing a new child into the world.
And the reason why this links into what we're speaking about right now is because this belief system, I call it a belief system, the transgender belief system, is depriving Young women and men and their parents from that experience that you are now that joyful,
meaningful, unbelievable experience that you are now experiencing, Dinesh, of celebrating a new life in the world.
And so I'm bringing this up only to underscore how very serious and dangerous this ideology is.
And I was explaining a moment ago that I discovered years ago, and then I wrote in my book, You're Teaching My Child What?
And I demonstrated that kids were being influenced to believe in the falsehood, that there's more than male and female, that you can basically pick.
What your sex is, that it has to do with your feelings and not with your biology, that you can dismiss or deny your biology and not pay a big price.
I wrote about that 15 years ago.
I warned parents.
Unfortunately, it took the disaster that we are now facing for parents and the culture to begin to understand how dangerous this is.
Let's, you know, you refer to the falsehood, and I want to kind of zoom into that, because...
So here we have little Marigold, and to believe the literature of the trans people, the doctor sort of, quote, assigned a sex, in this case, female, to her.
But... Our observation is that the doctor didn't sort of assign it.
A sex was given, in that sense, as an element of this.
And in the case of Danielle and her husband, Brandon, they actually chose not to know the sex beforehand.
So, clearly the sex, as far as we can tell, was established in the womb beforehand.
It was sort of revealed beforehand.
When the baby came out, the doctor, who obviously already knew what it was before, sort of announces it.
But the idea that it's somewhat arbitrarily assigned by medical personnel, as if they could just as easily go the other way, I mean, isn't this preposterous?
It's absolutely preposterous, and I testified in Congress that We're good to go.
The moment that the sperm and the egg unite, you have either a male or female, at least in 99.9% of cases.
Now, the language has been perverted.
The language has been captured so that we are all told, but I'm more concerned about young people, of course, that their sex was assigned in a random, arbitrary way.
And that the doctor or midwife may have been incorrect and that only they know their sex.
Now, this is a dangerous idea to plant into the minds of vulnerable children.
First of all, it's completely false, like I just said.
Your sex is established.
It's one of two options.
You cannot change it.
And yet, kids are being led to believe through the language and through other means in this ideology, this belief system, that it is arbitrary.
And that it is only...
Based on feelings.
I mean, of course, yeah, there's chromosomes and there's genitalia, but those can be, you know, those are not our secondary or tertiary.
That's not the primary element.
The primary element is how you feel and how you wish to identify at the moment.
And this is how we're getting ourselves into big trouble.
Let's take a pause when we come back more with Dr.
Miriam Grossman, MD, website, miriamgrossmanmd.com, the book we're talking about, Lost in Trans Nation.
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The number again to call, 800-4-RELIEF. I'm back with Dr.
Miriam Grossman, author of Lost in Trans Nation.
Dr. Grossman, you were talking about the fact that they're trying to teach young people the idea that their chromosomes are secondary, they don't really matter, what matters are your inner feelings.
I'm actually interested in those inner feelings for a minute, because in general in life, We accept what is given, right?
I'm tall or I'm short.
Sure, I can try to do some exercises.
I'm black or I'm white.
In other words, I've got certain givens and I've got to work in life with those.
If I'm 5'9", as I am, I'm not going to become a professional NBA player.
So, it's...
Normal people don't get it into their head that they can alter their biology or that their psychology trumps their biology.
I'm certainly not going to think, well, listen, if I just think of myself into being a professional NBA player, I really can be.
This would be a ridiculous way for me to think.
So what I want to get at is, how is it that these educators, however...
Are able to sort of make headway with young people and convince them that something that is so radically given as sex is somehow a matter of whim or a matter of subjectivity.
It is astonishing that they have been so successful And the way that I would describe it, and the way I talk about it in my book, and I explain this issue, is that it is a belief system.
And that there has been a crusade, like we've had in the past in history, not just religions, but ideologies, that are not based in truth.
But they have gotten hold of groups within the population, and those groups become very powerful, especially if they're well-funded, and they make their way into organizations and groups that we previously would have trusted.
Medical organizations, educational institutions, the government.
And that's what's happened in this case.
And it didn't only happen yesterday.
I know that it does seem that way.
But trust me, it has been around, the ideology, the belief system has been around for a long time.
And I have actually been watching this in slow motion through the years as things got worse and worse and more of the institutions that we trust collapsed and fell to the belief system.
And so that's where we are right now.
And I'm going to focus, I talk in my book a lot about the medical organizations, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association.
These are groups that we normally would trust.
I'm a doctor.
I went to medical school.
It was inculcated in me to turn to my professional organizations.
Sadly, it gives me no...
Pleasure to sit here and say this.
We can no longer trust our medical organizations, at least on this issue of transgender, because the crusade has brought them down and has co-opted this particular issue.
Things will change, as they have in other countries, but we, for the time being in this country, are outliers, and parents must be aware of that.
One of the points you made in your congressional testimony, you were responding to another witness who in effect said that the science supports this so-called gender-affirming care.
I think that's the right term.
And you go, wait a minute, there have been all kinds of studies on the other side, and you pointed to the example of Scandinavia.
I think you mentioned Sweden, you mentioned Finland.
Talk about what we can learn from those two countries.
Yes, this is very important and parents are not provided this information when they're asked to sign on the dotted line for their kids blockers and cross-sex hormones and surgeries.
Parents need to be aware That countries that were previously extremely, you know, in support of these medical interventions, just in the past few years, Sweden, Norway, Finland, England, and a number of other countries have done their own in-depth analysis of all the research.
And they have come to the conclusion that the evidence is extremely poor, that we do not have good evidence.
I mean, look, when we're going to be treating normal, healthy kids, these are physically healthy children, and we're going to be intervening with medical treatments that may end up permanently disfiguring them and even sterilizing them, we need, you know, not gold levels, We need platinum level, right?
Platinum. We need the highest level of evidence.
Well, these countries did their analysis and they all came to the same conclusion that the evidence is poor.
For long-term benefit.
But there is evidence of harm.
And so they have all essentially banned the treatments that in this country, the blockers, cross-sex hormones for minors, that in this country is called life-saving.
Is called by Admiral Dr.
Rachel Levine and by our president, medical care, the highest level of medical care, medical necessity, they're going to say.
These treatments are medically necessary for our kids.
So it's really essential that people recognize that it's only here in the US and in Canada That the narrative is being aggressively promoted and the narrative is not based on good quality science at all.
It's based on poor evidence.
So you have to protect your families Let's take a pause.
When we come back, I want to ask Dr.
Miriam Grossman, what is her message to a parent who has a child that says, oh, I'm not sure if I'm a boy or a girl, or my teacher says I'm this, but I always thought I'm that.
How are parents supposed to react to this situation?
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I'm back with Dr. Miriam Grossman, MD. She's a board-certified psychiatrist specializing in child and adolescent psychiatry.
Her website, MiriamGrossmanMD.com, the book we're talking about, Lost in Trans Nation.
Dr. Grossman, one of the central themes of the book is sort of, here is an alert to parents, and particularly parents who are in some ways dealing with this kind of issue.
And probably it starts in very small ways, right?
Your child gets something from school, or they read something, or they're confused as an adolescent, and they go, I'm a girl, but I'm very tomboyish.
I sometimes wonder if I'm a boy.
Now, you're a parent.
What would you advise that parent to, first of all, to think and then to do?
Well, one of the goals of the book is that families should never reach that point where their child is wondering if they're a boy or a girl.
So I'm giving parents a lot of information that they need so that from an early age...
Now, Marigold is a little bit young.
But pretty soon, you're a miracle.
I'm saying that there's an approach that parents can use when their kids are already very young.
For example, they can say, you know, you were always a boy from the very first moment that you existed on this earth.
You were a boy and you will always be a boy.
And that is wonderful. That cannot change.
But there's all different kinds of boys and different kinds of men.
And you don't have to feel like you have to fit into a box and be a boy who plays football and loves cars and loves building things.
No, not at all.
We are all mosaics of male and female.
But we don't harm our bodies.
What we do is we We enjoy that mosaic and we find other people that will enjoy that mosaic and will love us the way that we are.
So you want kids already way before the ideologues, you know, in Hollywood and at school and, you know, online reach them.
You want your child to understand that they are a boy or a girl.
They always were and they always will be.
And that when they hear this phrase, sex assigned at birth, that's a red fluff.
That means that person who's using that phrase is coming from a place that is not scientific.
So I want your children to be...
To be wiser, I don't want them to be sitting ducks for this ideology because I promise you, people are just waiting to reach your child and recruit your child.
So there's many things that parents can do early on.
But for families, yeah, for families that are dealing with this issue, And I've talked to hundreds of parents who tell me that they were blindsided.
They didn't see this coming at all.
They didn't know how to understand it, and they didn't know how to respond.
So that was one of my motivations in writing the book, and I provide in one of the chapters a model conversation between a parent and child who has come and announced their new identity.
We could spend a few hours talking about this, but just to give you the highlight.
The highlight is that it's not a time to argue.
In the beginning, these first few conversations are not a time to argue.
They are a time to listen.
And they are a time to...
Let your child know that you love them and you see that this is very important to them and therefore it's important to you and you are going to learn everything you possibly can about this issue because right now you may not know so much but you're going to do your research.
No, you are not going to use a different name.
You are not going to use different pronouns and if that is causing a lot of Distress for the child, you can find help so the child learns how to cope with that distress.
Now, there's many, many other things that parents need to be aware of in terms of this conversation with their child.
If the child starts to throw out statistics about suicide, starts to talk about All the ideology that they've been indoctrinated with at school or online, parents have to be In control of their child's internet use.
I have an appendix in the book about how to do that.
And I can't emphasize enough, Dinesh, how important it is from day one that parents be on top of who their kids are talking to.
There are rumors out there.
They are older kids or adults, and they are online.
They are on social media.
They're on some of the games that your kids may be playing.
They're in the chat, and they are influencing your child.
I promise you that.
I've had endless cases in which kids were drawn into questioning whether they are boys and girls because of someone they met online.
When we come back, I want to do a closeout segment with Dr.
Grossman, so we'll be right back.
I'm back with Dr.
Miriam Grossman, MD. The website, miriamgrossmanmd.com.
The book, Lost in Trans Nation.
You know, Dr. Grossman, what you're saying to me is really fascinating because what you're saying is that We are living, perhaps regrettably, at a time when a lot of things that were implicit knowledge or taken for granted and you didn't have to,
as a parent, be kind of educated or you didn't have to deal with, you now suddenly have a burden that, you know, I got to know about this stuff because the other side is peppering my child with all this information and now I need to be articulate about being able to come back When previously, it's something that I never had to do.
I mean, I remember just growing up, for example, I always took it for granted, and this was really based on experience, that there are not just biological differences between boys and girls, but very important psychological differences.
In other words, one reason that when I went to a boys' school, boys hang out together and talk a little differently among each other than they do in mixed company.
I'm sure the same is true of girls.
So we're not just talking about our chromosomes.
We're talking about ways in which, I guess, our chromosomes interact with complex environments to create, if you will, a male or female personality.
And granted, there's a good deal of variation among within males and within females.
Nevertheless, It's not right to say that there is no dividing line at all, but it seems like all of this is now being confused by this trans propaganda.
Where do you think that this is going, and do you think that there are enough people starting to push back so that this movement doesn't have the momentum that it seemed like at one point it did?
Well, we are living in the midst of a medical scandal is what this is right now.
And it's important to recognize it now that we're in it and not just when it's over.
You know, my profession sadly has a history of medical scandals and of doctors coming up with novel ways to treat disorders that end up being catastrophic and I'm thinking in particular of the lobotomy medical scandal in which psychiatrists would sever a part of the brain In a very barbaric way,
50,000 people in this country received lobotomies and they became essentially vegetables.
And even as, you know, the Kennedys, Rosemary Kennedy was lobotomized.
And we have to conclude, I think it's fair to say that a family like the Kennedys in Boston, Massachusetts, got the highest level medical care For their daughter who was suffering from mental illness.
And they went ahead and they agreed to the lobotomy.
And I'm sure that at that time, they were told there's a medical consensus and this is the best thing that we can do for your daughter.
I mean, after all, the inventors of the lobotomy got a Nobel Prize.
So what I'm saying is that my profession has a history of scandals and a history of telling people that there's a medical consensus.
And this is exactly what's going on now.
We have medical associations and highly placed medical people who are standing up and telling parents that there is a medical consensus.
That is not the case.
But like I said, in Congress, there is a debate that's going on, a very heated debate, and parents have to be aware of that debate before they make any decisions and before they affirm their child as the other sex, which of course is impossible, and certainly before they sign on the dotted line for any kind of medical intervention.
So we are in the midst of a terrible Medical scandal.
We are sterilizing young kids.
We are making it impossible for tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of young people to never experience, and their parents, to never experience the blessing and the wonder of what your family, two weeks ago, experienced the birth of a child.
And this is a horrific situation.
So I wrote the book because I am raising the red flags and I am trying to protect families.
I don't want any more families coming to me.
I have a waiting list.
I'm already treating enough families and I don't want this to happen to one more family in this country.
I mean, to me, you mentioned the lobotomy scandal, and probably a lot of people don't know about it.
I wonder if the fact that people have seen what happened under COVID, you know, the question of the origins of COVID, the question of whether or not, if you take the vaccine, can you get COVID? If you take the vaccine, can you give COVID to someone else?
I mean, there was a massive propaganda around this as well.
And I'm actually not anti-vaccine, but I'm simply making the point that the vaccine was sold, at least to many people, on false premises.
And I wonder if this is all alerting people that even the people in the lab coats, in the white coats, whom we have traditionally trusted, you now have to put a little bit more of a skeptical eye.
This is a wonderful book.
It's called Lost in Transnation.
The author, Dr. Miriam Grossman, MD. Dr.
Grossman, thank you very much for joining me.
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