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HANDS OFF MY STUFF Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep621
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Coming up, I'll reveal the scandal of civil asset forfeiture, how the US government steals the property of private citizens without any due process.
Debbie's going to join me for our Friday roundup.
We're going to talk about a Georgia Democrat who switched parties and gave a really nice dropkick to the Democratic Party, Houston's plan to evict the homeless, and what makes London such an appealing city.
I'll also complete my brief series on the stories of Anton Chekhov.
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Can the United States government seize your possessions and your property?
me.
Even though you have been convicted of no crime and without even any sort of due process, regrettably the answer to this question is yes.
The way that they do that is through a process that is known as civil forfeiture.
Civil forfeiture. And an important case is coming up before the Supreme Court on civil forfeiture, in which the cops seized two cars from two women in Alabama who had to wait more than a year and a half to get their property back.
Neither of them had any means of appealing this.
They had no way of going to court about it.
So the Supreme Court is going to consider, can the government do this without at least some form of due process of law?
Now, this has been going on in the country.
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The government confiscates her cars.
They say they're investigating her for a crime because her ex-boyfriend, they say, was a petty drug offender.
But no drugs were found on her.
No arrests were made.
And it took two years before the state even allowed a hearing on the property that they stole.
In one case, they kept one of her cars and they said they'll give her the second car back if she buys it back from them.
She refused. And finally, a judge stepped in and decided in favor of her, and she got her cars back.
But think about it. Two years.
What do you do in the meantime?
Here's another case.
A fellow named Gerardo Serrano.
Customs agents apparently searched his car.
They found some stray bullets in the car, but they didn't know what the bullets were from.
They accused him of smuggling, quote, munitions of war.
And they said they're going to confiscate his brand new car.
Well, it turns out there was nothing to this charge.
They never, in fact, did charge him with a crime.
But they told him that he would have to pay $3,800 to contest the seizure of his car.
So he pays the $3,800.
They cash the check.
And then they basically say, we're not giving you a hearing.
So here's a guy who's out not only his car, but he's out this added money.
So this kind of thing has been going on in America.
The most dramatic case actually involves a woman that I had on this podcast.
Her name is Amy Sterner Nelson.
And I had her on to talk about her dispute with Amazon because what happened is that Amazon accused this guy of taking kickbacks while he was a dealer, while he was working with and at Amazon.
Now, the guy was never charged with taking kickbacks.
He was never convicted of anything, but the government, as part of the investigation, this is the part we didn't focus on so much on the podcast.
We focused on the Amazon side.
But essentially, the government confiscated almost a million dollars of Amy Sterner and Elson's family's property.
Now, they didn't just take the husband's stuff.
They also took Amy's own savings.
Amy is a lawyer.
She also has started a startup company.
So she had assets, and the government was like, we're putting a hold on them.
And so this is something that the Nelsons were able to fight.
They were a couple with some resources, and they also did a GoFundMe to raise money.
They, by the way, had to move out of their house.
They had no savings.
They were on the verge of ruin, but they were able to contest it.
And finally, they got at least a partial judgment in their favor.
And what I mean by that is that out of the million dollars, That the FBI took.
They agreed to return $525,000.
Carl and Amy would lose $109,000.
The rest was eaten up by court fees.
So think about it. You start out with a million bucks gone.
You get about a half of that back.
Well, that's better than nothing.
But you're still out a considerable amount of money and you've expended a good deal of it, over $100,000 in legal fees.
Now, according to an investigation in By Reason magazine, quote, state, local, and federal governments have seized $68.8 billion via civil forfeiture over the last 20 years.
And very often, the people whose stuff they take can't afford an attorney to fight back.
Think about it. When you are accused in a criminal trial, if you don't have money, the government will provide an attorney.
That's constitutional law.
But this doesn't apply to civil cases.
If someone sues you, for example, for violating a contract, if someone sues you for defamation, remember, civil forfeiture is a civil matter.
They're taking your stuff. Their pretext is often we suspect you of a crime or you're being investigated for a crime.
But guess what? They often don't file any charges.
So no crime ever enters into the picture and yet your stuff is gone.
But because you aren't facing criminal charges, you're not entitled to a free attorney.
You have to pay for your own and many people cannot afford to do this.
So this is really a scam.
It's nothing more than government thievery.
And it's government thievery without due process.
I mean, that's the point. The point is that you can't even take this before a court, before a judge, and get a hearing on it.
So this is now before the Supreme Court.
And I hope that the Supreme Court, I mean, it seems crazy we're even talking about this.
We're even talking about the Supreme Court will consider whether in a free country, the U.S. government can take your property, your cars, your jewelry, your money, your possessions, even your house, without giving you any due process and charging you with any crime.
This seems downright un-American.
It is un-American.
And I hope the Supreme Court puts a stop to this business altogether, which is not to say the government can never take people's property, but they can't do it.
Without due process.
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I hope you've been enjoying my mini-series just this week on the short stories of the Russian writer Anton Chekhov, considered by many to be the greatest of all the short story writers.
I don't have any quarrel with that judgment. And I'll conclude my series today by discussing very briefly a marvelous and one of Chekhov's most famous short stories. It's called The Lady with the Dog. Now this is really on the face of it a story about a man who's in a different town than his family and he meets and has an affair with this lady with a dog.
But the reason the story is so interesting is that Chekhov handles it completely differently than anybody probably else would.
Because while this topic of adultery, philandering, having an affair is widely covered in literature, covered in movies, by and large, authors and writers tend to focus on the heart of the conflict.
So, for example, the affair is discovered, the impact on the family.
You'll see how Chekhov gives you none of that.
He handles it in a completely different way, very Chekhovian style, and you can see that his psychological interest lies elsewhere.
So here we have a man, Dmitry Gurov, and he's in the Russian province of Yalta.
And he's away from his family, and he says he takes an interest, Chekhov tells us, in any newcomers to the town.
He's evidently working there and living there.
And Chekhov tells you also that he's under 40, and his wife seemed to him much older than he was.
So we don't know if his wife is older at all, but he thinks that she's like, well, she's old compared to me.
And apparently the wife thinks of herself as some kind of a progressive intellectual type, and the man resents her.
He doesn't like her.
He, quote, secretly considered her unintelligent, narrow, inelegant, was afraid of her, and did not like to be at home.
Wow. Well, this is a bad recipe for any kind of marriage.
Chekhov also goes on to say that the man has been a kind of philanderer, that he has been unfaithful to his wife, but evidently this has been kind of a Something that he does intermittently and he doesn't develop any real relationships with these other women, except as we will find out in this case with the lady with the dog.
So here's this lady with the dog.
And she's walking on the pier, and suddenly, Gurov, the guy we're talking about, Dmitry Gurov, takes a sort of an interest in her.
Now, Chekhov goes on to say, and this is very Chekhovian, he makes these kinds of side observations, that by and large, here was a guy, Gurov, who considered women to be sort of the lower race.
In other words, somehow less capable than men.
And at the same time, Chekhov says, this guy got along with women.
He didn't really like The company of men, but he got along with women, and by and large, women can sense that kind of thing.
If you get along with them, they tend to get along with you.
So, Chekhov now gives us an introduction to the story, which is a prelude to the whole story.
Experience, often repeated, truly bitter experience, had taught him long ago that with decent people, especially Moscow people, Every intimacy which at first so agreeably diversifies life and appears in a light and charming adventure inevitably grows into a regular problem of extreme intricacy and in the long run the situation becomes unbearable.
You can see right here, do not have an affair because what starts out seeming that it's kind of fun and light and cool, Chekhov is telling you right now, it's going to become very complicated, very painful, and in the end, in his own word, unbearable.
But somehow this slips out of his mind.
He takes up with this woman with the dog.
They begin to have an affair.
She feels very guilty about it but nevertheless continues the affair.
And then a letter comes from her husband.
She too is away from her husband just as Gurov is away from his wife.
Her husband is undergoing some kind of medical procedure.
She has to rush back to the city, presumably Moscow.
And so, she says to Gaurav, I shall remember you, think of you, God be with you, be happy.
Don't remember evil against me.
We are parting forever. It must be so, for we ought never to have met.
Well, God be with you. So, here is the woman showing that she understands this affair to be wrong.
But nevertheless, she continued it and now she thinks it's coming to a permanent end.
Gurov goes back to his family, and he sort of is obsessed with this affair.
He obviously can't talk about it to anybody, and he certainly can't talk about it to his wife.
But he starts giving kind of massive discourses about the nature of women and the nature of love.
And his wife makes this really kind of cutting and strange statement.
She goes... The part about the lady killer doesn't suit you at all, Dimitri.
So she's telling her husband, stop going on as if you're some kind of a Don Juan.
That part doesn't really suit you.
And you can see how this probably cut him pretty deeply.
So in any event, this Gurov guy decides to go to Petersburg.
This is, I guess, where the woman was.
Not Moscow, but Petersburg.
And meet up with her.
And he does in a theater.
And they resume the affair.
And then, again, you might be like, what's going to happen?
And this is how the story ends amazingly.
The story ends that...
Here's Chekhov.
He says,"...and it seemed as though in a little while the solution would be found," meaning a solution to their situation,"...and then a new and splendid life would begin, and it was clear to both of them that they had still a long, long road before them, and that the most complicated and difficult part of it was only just beginning." And Chekhov ends the story here.
So the point I want to make as I close out the series, most authors would begin the story here.
They'd begin here with, wow, this complicated affair is beginning, and what are the implications going to be, and how's it all going to play out?
And Chekhov tells you none of this.
He just tells you how things got started, and how, despite some kind of clear warnings, they decide to continue.
And then Chekhov goes, listen, You are signing up for something that is going to lead a very labyrinthine and he could have added deceitful road and who knows where it's going to end and it's probably going to end very badly.
But how it ends?
Chekhov doesn't tell us.
He leaves us in a sense in the middle of the action and yet we feel we've gotten a very poignant and perhaps even unforgettable window into this fellow Gurov and the lady with the dog.
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Debbie and I here for our Friday Roundup.
Just before you start, the government is not taking my jewelry or my shoes, okay?
No can do. No civil forfeiture.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
No way all day.
I know, I know. Just thinking.
Okay. Alright, so let's talk about this business in Georgia where a woman, and I've already become a super fan of her based upon just this report, her name is Misha Maynor.
She's a Georgia State House representative, so essentially a congresswoman, but at the state level.
And she was just elected in 2021.
And she's decided to quit the Democratic Party.
But what I love is the boldness with which she gives her explanation.
So I'm just going to read a few things and have Debbie kind of weigh in on this.
She goes... She goes, this is the crusher. For far too long, the Democrat Party has gotten away with using and abusing the black community.
For decades, the Democrats have received the support of more than 90% of the black community.
And what do we have to show for it?
I represent a solidly blue district in the city of Atlanta.
This isn't a political decision for me.
It's a moral one.
And she goes on to say that she is...
She loves being a Republican.
It is, quote, Well, this is the Republican Party.
This is the party that fought against slavery.
It's the same party.
You know, it just really baffles me how people could have just been so duped by this party, by the Democratic Party.
It's the left's ability to control the narrative.
I mean, think of the intellectual hijacking and claiming that the party is like cops and robbers, switch sides.
And so here she goes, a couple more lines.
The most dangerous thing to the Democrat Party is a black person with a mind of their own.
And she goes on to say that she is not only joining the Republican Party, she's going to be active in helping to grow the Republican Party.
Awesome. Helping us to focus not just on preaching to the choir, but growing the congregation.
That gives me chills. This is what we need.
Absolutely. And, you know, I told you that I was going to also bring up Myra Flores from the Rio Grande Valley, who also kind of, like, went against the grain down there and was trying to say, listen, guys... What has the Democrat Party brought to you, the poor, here in the Valley?
Nothing. Not only have they brought nothing, but they've also duped you into believing that the party is about the poor, is about Hispanics, is about minorities, when in fact, it's It is for them to keep being the same, right? You know, and I just love it when I hear minorities take a stand against us.
I mean, this is almost like a case of a, you could call them a runaway.
It's like someone who's like run away from the plantation, like in the old days.
But it's not easy to break free like this.
And as you can see, they put a lot of pressure on her.
Again, and she's very right about saying 90% of blacks back a party that wants to keep them in a plantation, essentially, and wants to keep them from thinking for themselves.
And I just love it that she knows this and wants to educate other blacks about this very issue.
Well, here you see how Democrat coercion might have backfired because the Democrats, they try to keep everybody in line, and they pull out the whip if you're showing signs of deviation.
Now, that can work because, of course, for weak and timid people, they're like, okay, okay, I don't want to be whipped.
I want to stay in line. I'll behave myself.
I won't talk about school choice again.
But then you have people who are strong-willed who basically go, listen...
Not only do I object to your policy, not only do I disagree with you on the merits, but then your treatment of me convinces me I no longer belong in this party, and so I want to give you a big sayonara.
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Feel the difference. There's a very serious problem of homelessness in a lot of American major cities.
We've heard a lot about the homeless situation.
In fact, we've seen it firsthand in LA. This is when we were shooting one of our earlier movies.
And it was just, I mean, this is not a case where it's a few streets.
Absolutely. It goes on and on and on and on.
San Francisco, Baltimore, many other places.
We've even noticed that in sort of safer pockets of the country, we begin to see at least the outlines.
Even in our community, when there were really no homeless people to speak of, now I see panhandlers, which I never saw before.
So Houston, of all places, which has a Democratic mayor, a fellow named Sylvester Turner, not entirely the most honest guy in the world, but interestingly, he seems to have decided that...
it's time for the homeless to either find a place or get out of Houston. This is a little surprising, kind of why we wanted to talk about it. And you can see here the pictures of the homeless in Houston, very similar to any other city, but evidently what the mayor has been doing is he has created a facility for these homeless to live. So there's in some cases it's a permanent facility, in some cases it's a temporary facility, but the point is it
then leads to a more permanent solution so the homeless have a place to go. And then what he's saying to these encampments, and he's picked a single large encampment that's apparently called Tent City, it's right there at the minute mark.
The Minute Maid Park Sports Stadium.
And the cops are now going to the people in this encampment and they're basically saying you have two choices.
You can either move into the temporary or permanent facilities we have for you where you will get, I guess, decent food and sanitation and so on, or leave Houston.
Get out of here.
You can't stay here.
So, in other words, the idea of living on the street is a bit of a no-no.
And the idea is to start with this one large encampment and then move to the other encampments.
Now, I've got to say, this is at least progress.
And the mayor is defending it by saying, in effect, look, I'm not just throwing them out.
I'm not telling people who have nowhere to go, leave.
I'm giving them an alternative.
And then I'm saying, either take the alternative or leave.
It's kind of almost like someone who tells a wayward kid, listen, these are the rules of the house.
You can live at home if you want.
But on the other hand, if you don't want to follow the rules, ta-ta.
No, I like it.
I don't like Sylvester Turner.
I think he's kind of a bit of a crook.
Right. Right.
In a way, when someone has a good policy, we don't want to say, don't have the good policy because you're going to benefit politically.
In fact, he should benefit politically if he's doing the right thing.
Interestingly, in this article in the Houston Chronicle, they interview some of the homeless guys.
and about you know because It's almost like you can see the Houston Chronicle is looking to see if they're going to complain and say they're being mistreated in some way.
And the...
And in fact, this one guy, I mean, this is again the kind of mentality that drives me nuts.
He goes, I don't know what these new facilities are going to be like.
He goes, it says, he was particularly worried about the sleeping arrangements.
He had heard that there were four beds in a room.
It reminded him of prison or of shelters with so many rules that they felt to him like a prison.
So again, these are people who want benefits, right?
But they don't want any kind of rules.
And naturally, if you have any facility, whether it's a private facility or there's going to be certain hours...
This kind of reminds me of the illegals coming in and complaining about the food.
That is totally right. You know, it's like, guys, you can't do that.
This is not even yours to keep.
This is not... You're not earning...
We're not owed this.
Exactly. But they're super entitled, as you know.
I have actually seen it for myself.
The homeless in Houston, I went to a soup kitchen, tried to feed them many years ago.
Took Juliana when she was like 12 years old.
And I was just really amazed at how entitled...
They were. I mean, the sad truth of it is there are people who, and you see this with the illegals, is the entitlement is learned, but what's remarkable is how quickly it's learned.
In other words, think of it. You come from a country where you don't get food, and if you go up to the cops, they beat you, and you have a good chance of your kids ending up in sex trafficking, and then you come to the United States, and suddenly you're like, wait, you're putting me up in a third-class hotel.
I want a first-class hotel.
Okay. Where's room service?
I want the Les Mignons. Right, exactly.
So the idea is this entitlement, and the immigrants themselves, I mean, the illegals themselves must be almost like thinking like they're in a play, like they're taking part in a, because it must seem so surreal to them, and yet...
When government officials act like this is normal behavior, oh yeah, we better file a petition.
You're not in a proper hotel.
Right, right. Now, with that being said, these are American citizens that we're talking about here.
These are American citizens we're talking about.
But, you know, again...
And some of them are, it's true, their mental cases, their addicts, life has turned on them.
They obviously don't have a network of family or friends that they can count on.
In that sense, they're alone.
You have to feel sorry for them in that regard.
I do, I do, yeah. But on the other hand, we also do need some sensible policy solutions.
This may not be the answer to it all, but at least it's a step ahead of all these cities that are only encouraging more people to join these encampments.
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in a sense, pushing their woke agenda in our face.
This is Bud Light.
This is Target. There are other companies.
And one of the most prominent companies, of course, is Disney.
Now, it's kind of easy to boycott a Target or a Bud Light.
Why? Because you go drink a different beer, right?
You don't shop at Target.
Okay, you go shop somewhere else.
Now, Disney is different, I think, because think of it.
There is no other Disney.
All our kids know Disney when you have grandchildren or children.
I want to go to Disney.
You can't say, no, I'll take you to, you know, someplace else because it's not quite the same thing.
Disney has been part of Americana.
So it's a very difficult company, I think, to boycott.
Its movies are very popular.
Its theme parks are almost one of the first things I did as an exchange student.
We're going to, my host family, we're going to take you to Disneyland.
And I was very excited to see it, even though I was 17 years old.
Never seen anything like it.
But here's the remarkable thing, and there's some news reports of this effect.
Disney this summer is having the slowest period that it's had, and this is Disney World in Orlando, in about a decade.
40 in four...
On July 4th. They were measuring the July 4th weekend.
And in fact, there were some photos of Disney from July 4th weekend.
And you know how you think of Disney.
Huge lines. I've been there during July 4th and they have the most beautiful fireworks.
The whole bit.
It's amazing. Well, apparently there are two signs of the Disney slowdown.
One is that they opened a new hotel.
It's a Star Wars-themed hotel.
And guess what?
It's scheduled to close in the coming months.
What? So right after opening it, they're closing it.
And we'll come down to why for a second.
But let me point this out.
There's a group called Touring Plans, which supposedly helps tourists, right?
And the way they do it is they measure the wait time on Disney rides.
Mm-hmm. And they say that, again, they're using the 4th of July weekend as a kind of indicator because it's a big weekend, that in 2019, the average wait time for a ride on 4th of July weekend was 47 minutes.
In 2022, 31 minutes.
Now, this year, 27 minutes.
So, it's not about the wait time.
The wait time tells you how many people are in the park.
People are in the line, exactly. So, it's a dramatic drop in attendance.
Now, clearly one reason for what's going on is the price.
Apparently, Disney prices are out of control.
Right. And so there are people who are feeling the price increases.
And so Disney's been trying to sort of address this.
Apparently they said that, you know how when you take a ride, they take a photo of you.
They used to charge you separately for the photo, to download the photo, even into your phone.
They've decided to eliminate that.
So they recognize that they have a problem.
This new Star Wars hotel was super expensive.
And people have decided, I'm just not going to pay those kinds of prices.
But... It's not just about the prices.
I think what's happening is that people now have, it's almost like, it's not that you have to be sort of philosophically convinced to boycott.
You just now have a bad taste in your mouth when the name Disney comes out.
You know, it used to be just all pleasant feelings and Mickey and Snow White and the Little Mermaid and Bear Jamboree and it's a small world.
And now it's like, God, you have all these perverts, you know, at Disney.
And they're smoking in dark rooms and basically figuring out how to weave sexual innuendo into the films.
And how do I promote propaganda through the rides?
And you're like, this is just disgusting.
This is like a group of evil people who have set their sights on my kids.
Why would I want to subject myself to that?
So, probably not everyone thinks of it in such stark terms.
But what I'm getting at is that these are, I don't know if you want to call them conservative boycotts.
But they're working.
And I could just tell how left-wing Disney was becoming even then.
It wasn't so much woke in that sense, but it was very left-wing.
You just mean Obama adoration.
Yeah, Obama adoration.
And I booed Obama, and my kids were just beside themselves.
I couldn't believe their mother was booing Obama.
Yeah. I believe some other people even looked over.
They were very surprised that a grown woman was doing that.
But anyway, that being said, the other thing was back when Fox News was actually conservative, I was very upset because the hotel we were staying at didn't have Fox News.
They didn't even carry Fox News.
And I was like, what do you mean you don't have Fox News?
Yeah. There are a few things that were very disturbing back then.
I mean, look at the results.
Disney's market capitalization in March of 2021, $335 billion.
Now, one half of that.
So think about that. This is like a company that's lost half its value.
Imagine if you lost half your savings, half of your retirement.
But Disney's doing it to themselves.
Yeah, this is what happens when it's no longer about the children.
It becomes like political, social issues, whatever.
Don't bring it to an amusement park.
You know, keep it to yourselves.
I suspect that there are a lot of gay and trans Disney employees.
They put pressure inside the company.
And so you have Chapek.
I mean, you have the guys running Disney.
And instead of paying attention to the customer, they're paying attention to their employees.
And it's easy to do. Your employees are right there.
They're showing up at your office.
You know, you've got to do this.
You've got to do that. Once they're like, OK, OK, OK, we'll do this.
We'll do that. Not realizing the long-term effect on the company's value.
Kind of like Bud Light. Kind of like Bud Light and kind of like so many other companies which succumb to internal pressure and end up providing a disservice to their customer.
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So here's a good one for you.
The new Miss Universe Netherlands, in other words, Miss Netherlands, is a biological male.
This is not a joke. I'm not kidding.
A trans woman model has won the Miss Universe.
Think about this.
Well, I mean, look, it's not funny.
It's extremely sad.
And disturbing. Because the women that compete in this pageant are beautiful women.
And I think they sort of feel like when they're in a sport...
And a trans person wins that sport knowing good and well that they would not have won that sport had they, you know.
So, I think it's the same.
I think that if you're going to have a pageant that has beautiful people, whether it be a man or a woman or whatever, and you're competing for beauty...
That is a little different, but when you are competing for a woman's beauty contest, you should be kind of a woman.
Well, not only that, but I mean, you know, people sometimes say beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
The simple truth of it is there have been some memes where you've seen Miss Netherlands, the winner, the trans guy...
And side by side with the runner-up.
And it's no contest.
The runner-up is a beautiful woman.
The trans guy, I mean, it's an absolute weirdo.
And it's very obvious that the selection is because they're trans.
In other words, being trans is their...
So basically what these have become is kind of like Disney.
They're sending a signal that you have to, like, stop thinking.
You have to think outside the box in all of these competitions because just because you're a woman doesn't mean you're going to win.
Well, for years it's strange.
We started out with the first Asian Connie Chung on the news, and then the first black to do this, and the first Asian Indian to do that.
And even this applied to me.
People would say things like, well, Dinesh, I believe you're the first Indian to work in the White House.
I mean, things like this. And at the time, it was relatively benign.
I paid no attention to it.
But here, this is why they're doing it.
So the woman's name is... That woman's name is Rikki Valerie Cole.
And this was a pageant that was apparently...
Well, it's now going to...
Now she's going to represent the Netherlands in Miss Universe.
And you were saying something about...
Yeah. So the Miss Universe owner, you know, you buy the franchise, right?
The owner is now...
Is Yakka Fung Yakraju Tateep, I think is the name.
Is that the real name? I think that's the name of the person.
It sounds like someone who's all yakked up.
But she's... But she's also trans.
Oh, she's also, yeah. She's also trans.
And so, so anyway, so I think, unfortunately, I'm out.
I'm no longer going to be watching this.
And you watch pageants.
Oh, since I was like three years old, as you know, Miss Venezuela is like the biggest thing ever.
A lot of Miss Venezuelans have won Miss Universe.
They say that a lot of really beautiful women come from Venezuela.
And as a little girl in Venezuela, that was kind of the thing.
We always wanted to enter pageants because we all thought we were Miss Venezuela.
Wow. Me included. My dad would call me mis papas fritas.
Which is? Mis french fries.
Oh, yeah, right. But anyway, he just, you know, he was just teasing me.
But I would make my mom make me a little crown made out of foil.
And I had my little scepter.
And I mean, it was just hilarious. So you envisioned yourself?
Yes, as they were watching The Miss Universe, I paraded around in my little swimsuit.
I know that sounds a little bit kind of strange.
Well, it has a different meaning.
It has a different meaning today, but back then I just thought it was the coolest thing ever.
And so I did watch The Miss Universe.
Mainly because I wanted to see if Miss Venezuela would win, but I'm no longer going to be watching Miss Universe or any other Miss pageant.
Well, it says in 2021, a biological male became the first person in pageant history to take home the title of Miss Nevada USA. Now, I seem to miss this momentous event.
And then evidently, as far back as 2012, Canadian model Jenna Takalova was the first to compete, which I guess they're implying that this was also a trans individual competing in Miss Universe for Canada, and that's over a decade ago.
So this trans stuff is now kind of everywhere.
And it also makes me wonder, because, and I was thinking about this just yesterday, and it has really nothing to do with trans, but You know how there are women that, like, they have cosmetic surgery, they have the injections, and then some have the surgery and everything, because they want to be something they're not, right?
So, could this, in fact, be that kind of phenomenon?
Yeah. Well, I think it's connected in this way, that the whole, I would call it the plastic surgery revolution of the last 20 years, opened the door to the idea that you can alter your physical appearance.
And in the past, of course, they did do surgical alterations if you had an accident or something, you were defaced in some way by an injury.
But sort of the discretion, I don't like my nose, I want a longer nose.
Right. And so this all started the idea that your physical personality is optional.
Could be changed. Can be changed.
At any time. And that the medical profession is at the service.
And of course, the transgender thing takes it further because they make it a right.
Right. Because nobody, even with plastic surgery, would claim that if I'm in prison, I want to alter my face, that somehow the government or the taxpayers should pay.
But trans people think that you should pay.
Why? Because this is who they truly are.
And not just in their mind, but somehow the society and the state have to get behind this, have to, as they now say, affirm this choice.
And of course, there's a whole medical industry here that's making a whole lot of money.
And then you have YouTube...
Endorsing it. YouTube endorsing it and, in some cases, threatening to deplatform people who don't toe the YouTube line.
Debbie and I thought we'd close out for the weekend by talking a little bit about our, well, really very memorable and in some ways, for me, even unforgettable London trip.
A large part of it was our kind of family reunion.
So it was my brother and sister and their spouses.
And you've obviously met them, you've been four times to India, but you got to sort of see the family kind of up close and they got to know you much better than they had before from short visits that we've made to India.
Yes, yes. And they're lovely people.
I just adore them.
Super sweet, super down to earth and very funny, I have to say.
Your sister's husband, Alfie.
Hilarious. He's really funny.
Well, he doesn't always mean to be.
And what is funny is that he also likes the S-H-I-T word a lot.
A lot. And we were laughing our heads off because he was sitting right behind us.
We were all in Wimbledon on center court.
And of course, there's sometimes dead silence points are being played.
And suddenly someone messes up, hits the ball with a net.
And then the S-H-I-T word comes blasting out from behind us.
And we're both looking over our shoulders like really...
Yeah, it was very funny.
But you liked London a lot.
I did. I liked it a lot.
You know, I'm very rule-oriented, as you know.
I like everything proper in its place.
Well, maybe not the closet, but that's another story.
But, you know, I like rules.
I like punctuality.
I like even traditional things, traditional values.
And I felt like they were very much that way in London.
Not only that, but I also noticed how friendly people were.
Extremely friendly. Give an example.
Well, you know, just even cab drivers, you know, talking to you and kind of chit-chatting about the day, the weather, politics, whatever.
Well, you went to a store looking for some shoes.
We went to a store looking for some shoes.
There are the shoes, right?
But, which...
Again, a store here in America, you are hard-pressed to find anybody that even looks at you and helps you get your shoes, right?
In your size. In your size, whatever.
But here, there's a process.
You actually go to a counter, you put your name down, you're on a list, and then she'll say something like, you are fourth in line, and somebody, as soon as they're done, they will come find you.
I was like, wow.
And you know, then she made small talk, and I was like, okay, great.
She's like, darling, have a seat over there, you know, the way they talk.
And I was like, oh, that is so cool.
I think what struck us both is the fact that even though London, I mean, look, there was a...
The day we got in, there was a big pride parade with a lot of exhibitions and so on.
But nevertheless, the society, the community is quite traditional.
Well, London is, the physical structure of London is traditional.
You can see it's a small town of cottages and small streets that's now been sort of expanded into a city, but it still has the signature of that small town.
The small town feel. At the same time, because not just the castles, but it's kind of the way people go through their day.
You can see the past in the present.
And they follow routines.
And of course, the hotel that we see at was a little pompous because there were people in front of the hotel and they were saying to people, I'm sorry, you can't go in the hotel.
They don't call them tennis shoes.
They call them trackers.
You're wearing trackers.
At the Ritz, where we went for high tea, it was kind of a big treat, just a kind of old English high tea.
You have to have a tie.
In fact, my brother and brother-in-law didn't have a tie.
They had to go to the cloakroom, as they call it, borrow a tie, wear it for the tea.
So you like all that. You like the fact that it's a decorous society.
They've got the meaning of being civilized.
Whereas you were making the point, I think, that in American hotels, they would never say that to people on the one hand.
But as a result, it is amazing.
Even if you go into nice hotels, you find people who are like, I won't say not wearing shoes, but extremely disorderly.
They don't even care.
There's no sense of decorum.
Now, I was struck.
We went to the opera the very last night we were there, and we dressed up.
You know, I thought, this is a great excuse to dress up because I love dressing up.
And A lot of the people there were in blue jeans and tennis shoes.
I couldn't even believe it.
So I was like, really? An opera and you're dressed like that?
But that was kind of the norm.
We were outside the norm because we were dressed up.
Talk about this little scandal that's now emerged at Wimbledon.
So at Wimbledon, so I was looking and it said Carlos Alcaraz.
The number one seat.
Novak Djokovic in the middle of a Wimbledon Spygate scandal.
Why? Because Carlos' dad was videotaping Djokovic's practice.
And apparently, if you tape the practice, you then know some of the moves that Novak is using for...
For maybe beating his son.
So presumably, I mean, I'm assuming this is not like illegal.
It's not forbidden by the rules.
No, it's not forbidden, but it's just kind of in poor taste.
It's probably like, right, or kind of unethical because you should give a guy a chance to practice and try out stuff that he may want to do on the court.
Yeah. Yeah, so Carlos says that my dad is a huge fan of tennis and he watches from like 10 a.m.
to, you know, 10 p.m.
So he watches everybody, not just me.
And so, you know, kind of to say, no, my dad wasn't spying on you.
He's a fan himself.
He just likes to watch it. Well, you know...
It could be. Well, these rivalries get very fierce.
And this is also a generational rivalry.
Djokovic is 36.
He's got, I don't even know how many tournaments behind him that he's won.
Alcaraz is probably the next generation coming up.
So it's shaping up to be a heck.
And probably this weekend, we're going to be watching some serious tennis.
But overall, we had a wonderful time.
But of course, like always, we're delighted to be home.
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