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Coming up, I'm going to chart where things stand with Carrie Lake's election lawsuit.
Debbie and I are going to do our weekly roundup.
So much to talk about from Hunter Biden to the ending of Title 42, the fate of Zuckerbergs in Georgia.
We'll try to talk about Jordan Neely and also the so-called Hispanic white supremacist.
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There is a ton of stuff going on at the border with the ending of Title 42.
There's ongoing discussion about Biden family corruption, but I'm going to save those topics for Debbie and my weekly roundup.
We're going to take them up. I thought I would open the podcast today by talking about Carrie Lake's election lawsuit.
And I'm seeing a good bit of reporting on it.
And the reporting is actually highly distorted and misleading.
Misleading in what the case actually is about and where it even stands.
If you were to look at the articles on the Carrie Lake lawsuit, they seem to suggest that Carrie Lake's claims are being dismissed one after the other.
And in fact, most recently, she was fined by the court, the Arizona court.
Supreme Court for making a false claim in one of her filings.
And you have to sort of read down the articles.
Here's a... Here is a headline.
Arizona Supreme Court sanctions Carrie Lake attorney for making false statements to the court.
And you would think that's the big news here.
And then you read down the article, and first of all, you realize that this sanction is a $2,000 fine for the misuse of a single word.
So, in one of our filings, Carrie Lake apparently said it was, quote, undisputed that a whole bunch of ballots had been added illicitly to the total.
And not only did the Arizona Supreme Court not decide the fact of the matter, but the Arizona Supreme Court merely said, no, that is not undisputed because, in fact, Katie Hobbs does dispute it.
And so it has not in fact been established and therefore it's wrong to call it undisputed.
So for the kind of italics put on this word, I'm going to give you a $2,000 fine.
Well, okay, that's an annoying sanction.
But, and I think in some ways it was an inappropriate sanction for this reason, that you have all these ballots that have come into the Runbeck facility to be tabulated and And Runbeck has the delivery receipts for 263,379 ballots.
And then, if you fast forward and you look at the number of ballots scanned, you discover that while 263,379 were delivered, 298,942 were scanned.
Wait, where'd the extra ballots come from?
How did they get here?
You got a certain number of ballots and you scanned more than you got, and you didn't scan one or two more, you scanned 35,563 more.
Now, The Cary Lake people and also a group called We the People Arizona Alliance has demanded that Maricopa County and Runbeck Election Services, who was doing the tabulating here, should show the video footage of their facility, which could show, you could see where did these new ballots come from?
How did they get somehow into the mix?
But Maricopa County and Runbeck refused to provide this footage.
In any event, I agree that the idea that this is undisputed, It was an exaggeration, and so there's a $2,000 fine.
But again, what's the main point?
The main point is that the Arizona Supreme Court told the lower court, you must, quote, forthwith, meaning right now, right away, you must litigate the issue of whether or not Carrie Lake is right that the signatures don't match.
In other words, that the signature verification was conducted improperly, not according to law, and of a magnitude enough to put the election into dispute.
Let's remember, by the way, that this was a close election decided by a few thousand votes.
Earlier, Judge Peter Thompson dismissed the lawsuit.
There was actually a lot of evidence provided by Cary Lake, but he ignored most of it and just basically goes, there's nothing here.
I think it just reflected the fact that courts don't like to consider this kind of case.
But the fact of the matter is the Supreme Court goes, this is the Supreme Court law.
Of the state of Arizona.
So not the U.S. Supreme Court, but the Arizona Supreme Court.
They go, no, we're not going to litigate some of Carrie Lake's claims, but we are going to allow a trial.
And by the way, this trial is coming up.
It's coming up in a few days.
It's going to be a three-day trial on the specific issue of the signature verification.
And... And Carrie Lake's people have a lot to show.
They're going to go into the issue of the signatures, but they're also going to go into one other issue that has just come up, and that is this.
I'm just going to quote from Carrie Lake's attorney, Kurt Olson.
Maricopa officials conducted secret testing on the tabulators on October 14th, 17th, and 18th, And he further stated that, quote, 260 of the 446 tabulators failed, but were, quote, then used in the election.
So you test the tabulator, it doesn't work, and you're like, man, let's use it.
This would suggest to me deliberate action and a deliberate effort to thwart the outcome of the election and to suppress the Republican vote.
Again, I don't know if this issue will even be allowed because the focus of the trial is on signature verification and signature verification seemingly alone.
So it may be that this just remains an open issue, but I just hope that we're able to get to the bottom of what happened in the 2022 election in Arizona, because from what I've seen, things are not on the up and up.
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Debbie and I are here for our weekly roundup, and it's kind of funny, honey, I'm looking in the camera, I notice we take up less space than we...
We're disappearing a little bit, I have to say.
Yeah, it feels really good.
We do a weekly weigh-in, and it's become, well, I shouldn't say sacramental, but it's really a big deal, right?
Yeah, you talk about the weigh-in two days before we weigh in, and you're like, honey, I wonder what the numbers are going to be.
Let's bet. Well, what I find really amusing about Debbie is that she basically goes that for the weigh-in, you have to be, first of all, you have to take your glasses off, you have to take out your night guard.
In other words, there should be nothing that adds even one ounce to your...
Too much information! What?
Yeah, yeah. And I used to, like, when I would weigh myself, I didn't want you to actually look at the scale because I don't know who I was trying to fool.
You know what I mean?
Like, I didn't want you to see what I actually weighed.
But now, I don't care.
You actually can see what I weigh because I don't weigh very much.
Well, now we're both at outset. We both point out.
So I kind of like it.
But anyway, that's, you know.
All right. So big press conference this week.
In fact, I found it so telling that while here's the House Oversight Committee, here's James Comer, and of course, Jim Jordan is there, Nancy Mace, they're laying out this frightening scheme of foreign money payments to the Biden family, not just to Hunter Biden, but to all the Bidens, including Joe Biden.
To the big daddy. Yes, and some of it's coming from people with connections to Chinese intelligence, the Chinese Communist Party.
And if you then just look at the media coverage, they're talking about George Santos.
George Santos was indicted of conspiracy.
Because he put false information on his federal form.
And, you know, what is it?
Transferred money. Wire fraud and this and that and whatever.
And I'm like... Really?
And what about the headlines?
Meanwhile, the President of the United States is a crook.
He's been bought and paid for.
He was renting out his office because, I mean, the critical point made, I think, during the hearings was the Bidens don't have a business.
Yeah, they don't have a business.
It's one thing when they had a construction business all over the world and they got construction contracts.
Well, hey, their business is a la Hugo Chavez business.
That's how he made his money.
You know, he was a billionaire, Hugo Chavez, when he died.
Right. Right. And the way he made his money is corruption.
He used, you know, government money, his influence and government money to pocket his, to line his pockets.
And even he probably didn't take money from foreign entities.
He was probably just siphoning off the Venezuela money.
I'm going to let that one be because he did have a lot of influence in Iran and he did do a lot of A business with Iran and China.
And as you know. And drug trafficking.
And I think he kind of sold out Venezuela to these foreign entities.
Because Venezuela has a lot of gold, uranium.
It has a lot of natural resources that for some reason in other parts of the world are not as present.
They don't have as many.
We notice as president that Biden is very soft on China.
He doesn't want... Oh, yes.
And now we know why.
Now we know that this is a guy...
And in some ways, as I watch this...
And sure, the amounts involved are large.
They're millions and tens of millions of dollars.
But I'd say to myself...
That we know of. To sell out the United States of America for...
I mean, this is not even 20...
This is not... What is it? The 20 pieces of silver?
Right. This is just shocking.
And then the media silence is equally creepy because those guys don't benefit from it, but it's the ideological protection that they're giving Biden.
So we're in a dangerous place, I think, as a country.
It's unbelievable. I mean, it's just unbelievable because he, I believe, committed...
Treason. I do.
Because who knows what secrets?
What do you sell your soul for, for this amount of money, right?
What secrets did he give China?
And who knows what other country?
I mean, these Democrats, I think back now to Obama.
Obama's sitting across from Medvedev, the Russian, I guess, prime minister at the time.
And Obama's like, listen, I've got to wait for my election.
After that, I can make more concessions.
I'll have a little more flexibility. Obama, I think, sold out for ideological reasons.
I have no evidence that Obama received bucketfuls of cash.
And Biden probably thought, well, he's selling out the country.
I'll sell out the country. Except, why don't I get paid for it?
And so you've got this.
Now, again, I've compared this to the Clinton Foundation, and that was bad.
This, in some ways, is even worse.
It's much, much worse.
I mean, they all do it to a certain extent.
They all sell their influence.
But this guy is...
Super creepy. Well, hold on, though.
When you say you all do it, do you mean Democrats?
All the Democrats. Right. Because I was going to say, but, you know, we think back, this is not normal practice for American presidents and not even Democrats, right?
I don't believe there's any evidence that Truman or JFK or even Jimmy Carter was corrupt in this way.
Yeah, probably not Jimmy Carter.
But Clinton, I certainly believe.
The Clinton duo. Right.
So Clinton. Obama.
Obama. And then now Biden.
Yeah. But your worry is, so what?
What? You know what?
This is an, I believe, an impeachable offense.
Are they going to impeach him?
Probably not. They should.
They should put him in jail.
Because if Santos is going to jail, why can't all the Bidens go to jail?
Biden's offenses are far worse.
Well, the House doesn't have the power to do that.
And I think they're being methodical about it.
This is how Republicans are, which is to say, we won't jump the gun.
We want the truth. The investigation continues.
I heard Nancy Mace.
It doesn't matter if you have an R or a D next to your name.
So our side uses the approach of objectivity, patience, giving the other person the benefit of the doubt, innocent until proven guilty.
We're not going to do a witch hunt.
How about we do a witch hunt?
How about we do it? They do witch hunts.
Yeah. Why shouldn't we?
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Title 42 has come to an end and the result is, well, you could say as predicted.
Now, Title 42 was nothing more than the COVID band-aid on the porous border.
So Title 42 basically said that in order to protect US citizens at the time of a global pandemic, We have to have some restrictions on who gets to come into this country and people who are bringing disease and posing a danger or health danger to the American people can be kept out.
But Title 42, the Biden administration pushed for ending Title 42.
And of course, they've also announced that the pandemic is no longer a pandemic.
And so why have Title 42?
And so now you truly have the border being opened up.
Of course, the word has gotten out to Mexico and lots of other places.
And the Biden administration is like, we're on it, we're on it.
But they are most definitely not on it.
They're off of it. They are off of it.
So it's a good thing I speak Spanish because it just may become the official language in the United States of America.
Si, senor. Yeah, when you look at these numbers, they are huge.
Staggering. Staggering.
Well, there was an article about 80,000 being in Guatemala, and they were just kind of holding there, but they're all coming.
This is very dangerous, right?
This is extremely dangerous.
I don't know if people realize that this is an invasion.
This is an actual...
You know, I don't know about Ukraine and Russia.
Do we know any other country that allows this in this way?
This is an invasion. It's kind of like you're taking down the fence of your house and basically saying...
Anyone here is welcome.
And then you pretend like you're not doing it.
So you're destroying the integrity of your own country.
You're doing it for crass political reasons.
And you're sacrificing the health and the safety and the welfare of your own citizens.
If you think that the homeless problem is bad right now, just wait.
Just wait. We're going to have encampments everywhere.
Well, you can get a preview of it just by looking at the encampments that already exist on the border towns.
I mean, I've been watching videos of El Paso.
You don't even think you're in the United States.
And Brownsville. Brownsville.
I mean, you know, where I grew up. But I mean, you've got, it's essentially the whole town is a homeless encampment.
Yeah, and it's going to be worse.
It's going to become absolutely worse.
And in many cases, as I've told you before, my cousin kind of alluded to this a while ago, and he's trying to come legally, thankfully.
But he said, word in Venezuela, word on the street, is you come to the border because you will be let in, because Biden will let you in.
That is the word on the street in Venezuela.
And I've got to say, to some degree, we always think of these, you know, we tend to put the focus on the illegals, and they are breaking the law, but they're not breaking the law if the law is being ignored.
Is allowing them. By the very people who are supposed to administer the law.
So this is the problem here, and that is that the government, the U.S. government under Biden, has decided to create this crisis.
It's a completely manufactured crisis.
There's no reason to have it.
We could have a secure border.
If they wanted to, they could secure it.
They don't want to. That's why it's the way it is.
They don't want to secure it. And, you know, again, I'm not really sure how it can benefit America, really.
And it can't benefit these illegals either.
Because in many cases, they're going from bad to worse, really.
They think that they're coming to the land of opportunity, the land of the free.
And in many cases, it is that.
But it may not be that for them.
And how much of a living really can you do By mowing someone's yard or cleaning someone's house.
And do parents whose kids are being sent in this way know that they're going to be sex trafficked and they're going to create rape trees and they're going to be in the hands of basically gangsters and mobsters who can have their will with them?
I mean, is this an improvement over the way things are?
Not necessarily. I don't think so.
I don't think so. In my opinion, and I've always said this, is these countries that are so close to us I don't know how much money they receive from the U.S. government.
I know how much the Middle East gets, and they get a lot.
And I know how much the Ukraine gets.
It gets a lot. But how much does Mexico, Guatemala, and of course, I don't want to say Venezuela because Venezuela is a cesspool of corruption.
And if any money goes to Venezuela, it's going to go in the pocket of Maduro for sure.
That is like no doubt.
And a lot of these people are Venezuelans coming over, but that's another story because they were promised some goods that they weren't given.
Okay, that's why they're coming.
You pointed out to me something I didn't know, which is that a lot of the people now are Chavistas who were part of the revolution, thinking it would benefit them, and now they're on the run.
And now they're on the run because guess what?
That whole thing of hope and change, it didn't happen.
And so now they're starving and they think, oh, well, let's go to America.
But no, so I think that we should have given the countries that have all of these people fleeing.
Number one, they're fleeing not just because of economic opportunity.
They're fleeing because of the cartels.
And I've said this over and over again.
If you have a family member whose head is chopped off by a cartel, I don't think you're going to want to stick around, you know?
So let's help.
Let's fix those problems.
And then maybe we wouldn't have it bleeding over into our country.
I mean, when you think about this sordid situation, really, there are only two beneficiaries, the cartels And the Biden regime, which is itself a cartel.
So you've got the cartels on the side of the border, except they're running the US government.
And then you've got the cartels on that side of the border.
And those are the people who are sitting around and laughing because it is to their financial, in the one case, and political, in the other case, benefit.
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Devin, I want to talk about the incident involving the young black man.
His name was Jordan Neely and he was Acting crazy, as far as I can see, on the subway.
He was then restrained.
Now, we've heard a lot about the fact that he was restrained by a Marine.
He was restrained by one guy.
When you actually see the video, you realize he was not restrained by one guy.
He was restrained by multiple guys.
There was one guy holding him in a chokehold, but there were other guys also attempting to contain him.
And this leads to Jordan Neely's untimely death.
Needless to say, it's being inflamed as a racial incident.
Why? Because the Marine is white, Neely is black.
Now, when you look at the other guys involved, one of them is clearly either black or Hispanic and maybe some combination of the two.
So it isn't sort of a clear white against black incident.
But of course, here's AOC. Jordan Neely was murdered.
Here is Ayanna Pressley.
Black men deserve to grow old, not be lynched on a subway.
Lynched on a subway.
And what do you make of this situation?
It's obviously tragic, and yet it's got roots here that we need to look at.
Well, first of all, this man was ill.
He was mentally ill.
Mentally ill. And you know I've told you that the psychiatrist that I worked with when I was translating for him said, you know, the rich white liberals are the cause of me not being able to institute this person.
Institutionalized. Institutionalized because they don't meet the criteria.
They have made it to where crazy people are walking among us and we can't do anything about it.
We medicate them and we hope they take their meds, but we can't force them to take their meds and we cannot lock them up.
And you can't do anything until they do something horrific.
I mean, there's an example here we just saw in the New York Post where a woman named Michelle goes.
She's 40 years old. She's on the subway.
A homeless guy comes up to her.
He has no idea who she is and randomly pushes her onto an incoming train.
And so do you have to sort of wait until you're in front of a train in order to be able to deal with this issue?
About 25 to 27 people have been killed on the subway.
By these homeless crazy people.
And so again, the failure here is not the fact that, oh, this is a systemic problem, racism, oh, look at this attacking a black man.
No, the systemic issue is the fact that too many mentally ill people are running among us. And New York allows this population of people to harass people and they don't do anything about it. They don't apprehend them, they don't give them a warning, they don't give them a fine, they don't take them off the street. This guy Jordan Neely is not the innocent that he's being portrayed to be.
I noticed that every picture of him tends to show him as if he's like doing the moonwalk.
He's a happy kid.
You know, this is caricature.
This is a guy with a long rap sheet.
Yeah, he's got a long rap sheet.
And again, he should have been put in at least, I mean, prison.
He should be in some sort of confinement.
But some form of confinement because he was clearly too dangerous.
To be walking around New York or the subway or whatever.
And you know, a lot of, and I hear this response, well, don't go in the subway.
Well, you know what? A lot of people have no choice.
They have to take the subway.
They can't afford- But why do we pay through our taxes for the subway if we can't use the subway?
Who gives those guys the right to, I mean, if armed gangs patrol our subways, are we then to say, well, we can't use the subway because they have priority in using the subway?
What was the name of that movie that was made in the 70s?
Death Wish. Death Wish. Okay, we're going to go back to that era where Vigilante...
Well, it's just that people, you know, think about it.
No one is even suggesting that this Marine just picked on this guy, grabbed him.
No, he was obviously posing an immediate danger to the people around him.
He was probably threatening them.
I think he was saying something.
I think that's what happened, I think.
And so they were restraining him so he wouldn't do anything crazy.
And again, you know, this kind of gets me thinking.
You know, we have a lot of crazy people, and we're going to talk about crazy people and another type of crazy person in a minute.
But I just feel like, you know, and the other thing is AOC saying, where were the cops?
Where were the cops? Wasn't she the one saying, we don't need cops, we don't need cops?
Defund the cops. Yeah, the cops are the problem.
Yeah. The cops were the problem.
And now the cops, where were they?
Why weren't they there? Well, they weren't there because she didn't want them there to begin with.
Well, and look at the analogy, like Ayanna Pressley's analogy to lynching, because these are just incendiary analogies that don't make any sense.
The people who were lynched in the Old South were people that the Democrats were afraid they would get out and vote.
So let's go lynch them. Very often the Ku Klux Klan came riding to your house.
These are so-called night riding.
And it was their party. So again, the hypocrisy is just mind-blowing.
But no, I mean, I feel like...
I mean, I think this Marine is going to try to...
They are. They're going to try to kyle Rittenhouse.
They are.
They're going to try to go after him and make him a poster boy.
Unfortunately, the people in New York City that are liberals there, gosh, they deserve all this crime and corruption.
They do. They live in it.
Especially if they then turn around and punish the guy who's trying to risk.
They strain the other guy and they make him the villain.
That's another way of saying that you want more of this to occur.
And then it's really hard for us to go.
We feel really sorry for the people in New York because they have to live with this.
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Use discount code AMERICA. There have been two incidents of mass killing, both in Texas and both just a few days apart from each other.
In Allen, Texas, you have a gunman at an outlet mall.
He opens fire, killing at least eight people.
A guy in his early 30s was the perpetrator.
And then seven people were killed, at least five injured, in Brownsville, Texas, on the border.
And this is when an SUV struck a crowd that was apparently waiting for a bus outside one of these buildings.
Migrant shelters.
Now, the interesting thing about these two cases is that even though the perpetrators are both Hispanic, and they both appear to be Hispanic gang members, they have the signature tattoos, the left is trying to make it sound like both these incidents, the shooting in Allen, Texas, as well as the ramming of the SUV into the immigrants, were produced by white supremacists.
I don't know any white supremacist named Garcia.
Do you? Well, so the left is saying that you can be a white supremacist if you are Latino.
Now, how is that possible?
They go, well, white supremacy is an ideology.
And the argument is that you don't have to be white to embrace this ideology.
Of course. Now, a government-funded website called Bellingcat has done some research into the...
The shooter in the outlet mall and claims that he has been posting some white supremacist material.
Now, I decided let me look a little more closely at that because that doesn't really seem to make a whole lot of sense.
And so here I have one of the posts that is put out by the shooter.
And when I read it, it rings inauthentic to me.
In other words, it rings like a fake.
Like somebody put this up there to create a sort of narrative.
I'm going to read it. And let's see if it makes any sense to us.
He goes, It goes on like this.
This is supposed to be the manifesto, or at least something that reveals a white, and by the way, speaking of manifestos, where's the trans shooter's manifesto in Nashville?
We don't have it. I don't even know if we're going to get it.
We keep hearing. Remember, it was supposed to be held for an FBI review.
No, this one is really funny.
I mean, the minute it happened, the AR-15 rifle, there we go again.
Well, guess what? The other dude killed the people with the SUV. Where's the SUV ban?
I want to know. I want to know where the SUV ban is.
I mean, what you see is that could be just as lethal as your point.
Well, of course. Of course.
But anyway, you know...
Now, it is very scary to hear about all these shootings, obviously.
And I've been to the Allen Premium Mall, outlet mall, many, many, many times.
So, I know what that place is like and it would be very scary.
But, you know, my thought is a lot of these, as we've talked about, a lot of these guys go with these weapons or whatever to these places that don't allow weapons.
So, you know, again, they keep calling for a ban on these weapons or they keep saying, you know, we need more laws in the books.
Well, you know, these people don't follow laws, so it doesn't make any sense to make more laws that aren't going to be followed anyway.
It's not going to alleviate the problem at all.
I mean, you raised an issue yesterday, which I thought was very striking, and that is even the conservative solutions to these things aren't fully adequate.
So some people would say, for example, well, we just need to have people in malls who are armed and can fire back.
But think about it. You're in an outlet mall.
Let's say you see people, law-abiding people, but walking around slinging an AR-15.
You're going to be free. What's this guy doing?
Is he a mass shooter? So, in other words, you're trying to address a problem, but it's not clear.
No, you can't walk around with an AR-15, obviously, because people will call the police on you or shoot you.
So, no, you can't do that.
You'd have to have it concealed.
But AR-15 is very difficult.
You can't conceal it. So, it would be very difficult.
So, there has to be a solution because there has to be a solution to anything.
And I'm really sick of hearing about shootings.
I really am because I don't want to be in a place where...
I'm vulnerable to one of these people because I may or may not have my weapon on me at the time.
And so again, I think that we have to get to the core of the problem.
And the core of the problem is we have too many crazy people walking around.
I've I've said this over and over again.
These crazy people are getting a hold of these guns.
They're driving behind the wheel.
Look at people being drunk get behind the wheel and they kill people.
So, you know, you've gotta find solutions to those problems.
For the left, it's all about, it's either about white supremacy or it's about the gun.
And basically, if it's done by a black guy, then it's the gun.
And if it's done by a white guy, it's white supremacy, or even a Hispanic guy, as it turns out in this case.
Yeah, they want him to be a black guy. Look, the point is you're not going to get any kinds of solutions here unless, I think, politically, the two sides can find some middle ground.
And there's going to be no middle ground if the left is not willing to look at why these things happen and how we get these bad guys on the street that are doing these things.
Yeah, taking away our guns isn't going to do it.
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Debbie and I are in our eighth year of marriage and, well, I think it's probably safe to say we...
We pretty much don't spend a lot of time apart.
Yeah, no. We don't.
And about, I don't know, nine months ago, I got this email from my well woman, my midlife wellness doctor.
And she talked about this amazing retreat in Austin for four days.
And it just seemed amazing to me.
I was like, wow, I want to do that.
So I quickly signed up and then I go, oh, wait.
And not only was it like a silent retreat, you know, like not silent as in we couldn't talk, but we couldn't have electronics.
We couldn't have our phone, our laptop, whatever.
Debbie sends me a little funny meme when she gets there.
It's called a cell phone sleeping bag.
You're supposed to put your cell phone in the sleeping bag and let the cell phone sleep while you're at the retreat.
Yeah, and I did.
I was very good about it, but I missed you terribly.
Oh my gosh.
Well, honey, so talk about the retreat.
There were about 30 women.
About 30 women, and we were all...
Now, it's kind of funny because I'm not middle age, because if I were, I would live to be about almost 120.
Yeah. So we're past middle age, but we call ourselves middle age.
So I'm middle age plus, right?
I'm so 57.
I think my doctor is 55.
And then the women ranged in age from like 45 to 65.
There was someone there that was in her late 70s, maybe early 80s.
And Debbie also goes, because it's a wellness retreat, it tends to attract a little bit of the hippie types.
Yes. So you get these new age people who are asking Debbie, what about your rhythms and about your...
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So your chakras and all of that.
And I just have fun with it.
You know, I don't like...
I don't know. The one thing, though, that I have to say that I really enjoyed is not talking about politics, because obviously the women there, most of them are probably left-wing Democrats, I'm sure.
But we never brought it up.
We never talked about politics.
And I like that kind.
It was refreshing.
It was a vacation from all this craziness going around us, and we're always talking about it and everything.
And I just kind of wanted just to be me.
I wanted to go back to that, I want to say 12-year-old self, but I've always been political.
I've always been political.
It's okay, honey. Drink some water.
So, ever since I was, what, seven, eight years old, I was political in Venezuela, too.
And so, I can't really say that I didn't want to be political, but I kind of didn't.
It was refreshing, needless to say.
Are you okay? Yeah, I am.
And did you get good... Wellness advice?
I did. I got excellent advice.
In fact, we're changing our whole water system.
What? Debbie comes back and goes, we need to be drinking unfiltered water?
No, no, no. But it's not just...
We drink filtered water. We have a filter for our water.
But we are going to get a full house filtration system for everything.
In other words, take a bath in filtered water.
Take showers in filtered water.
Wash our clothes in filtered water.
Everything filtered. Because I'm trying to detoxify.
And so, anyway, I... This is generally why husbands are normally a little reluctant to send their wives off on retreats, because they come back with elaborate schemes to sort of remake things.
We've got to redo our house.
We need now. Yes.
So anyway, and this, you know, this YouTube personality lady, her name is Dominique Saxa, she was there too.
And I told her that sometimes, you know, I'm guilty of buying too many of the gadgets that she sells.
And so, you know, every time you ask about it, it's like, yeah, that was Dominique.
That was Dominique. So I blame it on Dominique.
But really, it's not her fault.
It's my fault because I like...
Now, did you get... We have this strange device in our house.
Do you call it a Roomba?
Oh yeah, the Roomba. But that has nothing to do with the wellness retreat.
Oh, okay. That's just because I love gadgets.
Because I love gadgets.
I come into the house, I hear this humming sound.
Oh, that reminds me. And it's sort of a robot is moving around the house.
Honey, I forgot to sit the Roomba this morning.
Oh, yeah. Oh, no.
That means I have to actually vacuum.
Supposedly, this Roomba is a self-vacuuming robot.
Do we have two of them?
We have two. One upstairs.
But the problem is sometimes they get stuck on things.
And then I look at the app and it says, you have to go rescue your Roomba.
And I'm like, what? Why do I have to rescue my Roomba?
But sometimes I do. I have to pick it up and I have to put it in the charger.
Yeah. And clean it and all those things.
You know, I'm waiting for a robot that can clean the entire house and I don't have to, you know, do anything.
She just like cleans the, and I'm saying she, right?
Cleans the kitchen, cooks.
I'm waiting for that, that Moment when we have robots.
One of the things we've discovered, guys, and we've done this mainly through, you know, regulating what we eat, is the simple fact that a lot of health issues that people customarily deal with through medication can be avoided if you are healthy and if you eat healthy.
So the last time I did my medical test, they're like, Well, you know, your cholesterol is a little high, your blood sugar is a little high.
Well, those are things that you can address without medication.
So since neither of us wanted to do medication, we're like, hey, listen, we'll find ways to bring our blood sugar down, our cholesterol down.
By reducing our food.
Although our diet is aimed at weight loss and obviously...
And guess whose diet is not based on weight loss right now?
Mine? Danielle's.
Oh, Danielle's. Well, yes.
I wanted to bring that up.
We're really excited. We really didn't want to, like, give too much away before because, you know, Danielle is very private.
Even though she's a public figure, she's private about her personal life.
But we're going to be grandparents in July, and we're really, really excited about it.
This is a big step for us, and I'm currently thinking about what my grandparent name should be.
Drawing on my book, What's So Great About Christianity, I've been talking about absolute morality, objective morality.
And the existence of this absolute or objective morality poses a sort of challenge for atheism, because where does this morality come from?
If you accept a kind of Darwinian framework of the origins of man, And the origins of species.
You've got to account for this remarkable presence in human beings of a conscience, of a moral arbiter, of what Adam Smith called an impartial spectator, of this moral code of things that are right and wrong.
What is the source of that?
Now, obviously the religious believer goes, well, the source of that is obviously God.
We do things that may be good for us, but God is telling us things that are good, period, or that are good in general.
And so the atheists try very hard to use the Darwinian framework to provide an alternative explanation for morality.
They have to show that morality is somehow just a byproduct of evolution and natural selection.
And yet they are faced with problems because human beings act altruistically.
They act in a sort of generous way, in a kind-hearted way.
They help other people.
And isn't evolution all about survival of the fittest?
Isn't it all about getting ahead?
Isn't it all about putting your genes into the next generation?
So how can a doctrine that has as its core, you can say, selfishness or certainly self-interest, how does it account for people acting in a way that advances the interests of others?
Now, the atheists like Daniel Dennett and Richard Dawkins draw on the work of evolutionary pioneers like R.A. Fisher, W.D. Hamilton, and Robert Rivers. They try to show that what appears to be generosity, what appears to be altruism, is actually not altruism in the pure sense, but is a kind of clever, long-term, self-interested strategy that has been programmed into our genes.
Now, there are two terms that are critical here.
The first one is called kinselection, and kin here refers to family, kinship.
And the other is called reciprocal altruism.
So let's talk about kinselection.
Kinselection basically means that you help people who are related to you.
So our genes are programmed to perpetuate themselves, but of course, our genes are also present in our offspring, and even our siblings share some of our genes.
Typically, by and large, siblings share Well, we get half our genes from each parent and so siblings have genes in common.
Now, what the evolutionary atheists argue is that let's take a mother who runs into a burning car to save her two kids.
They say, wait, that's not really unselfish.
It may seem unselfish.
In one sense, it is.
But they say that the children of the mom each have 50% of her genes.
And so even if the mom is endangering her own life, she's trying to preserve her genes as they exist in her children from continuing on to the next generation.
So even if she dies, the genes would live on through her children.
Now, this explanation may work insofar as your relatives and maybe even your cousins go, but what about strangers?
Darwinian theory says we should be indifferent to them because they are genetically alien to us.
And yet, we do trade with strangers.
We coexist with them.
We generally treat them decently and fairly.
So, the Darwinians realize we need a new theory.
We can't use kin selection.
These people are not our kin.
They're not related to us.
And so, we have the second idea, which is called reciprocal altruism.
And reciprocal altruism basically means...
I am going to be nice to you only so that you will in turn be nice to me.
In other words, I'm not doing it in a sort of charitable way.
I'm doing it because I've got something to get out of it.
Think for example of the storekeeper who's really very solicitous and pleasant toward everyone who comes into the store.
Now why does he do that?
Is it because he's just a really nice guy?
Well, maybe he is. But another reason is he wants them to come back.
He wants to have them as regular customers.
So what would seem to be just nice guy behavior can be better explained by the fact that there is a commercial interest involved.
Now, the problem with all this, and these are, I admit, kind of ingenious ways to try to explain both the altruism that we show to family members and relatives and also the general goodwill that we show even to strangers, but I don't think any of this even comes close to explaining the phenomenon that we call morality.
Yes, it can explain what you could call low altruism, and low altruism is altruism that is somehow self-interested in the long run.
But what about high altruism?
High altruism I would define as altruism that confers no benefit at all.
And high altruism doesn't mean you have to sacrifice your life or give away all your money or put yourself in great hardship.
It can even be simple things, but simple things with no benefit.
So I'll I'll give a single example and then pick up this theme next week.
Let's say a guy stands up to give up his seat to an old woman on a bus.
Now, she's not related to him, so he's not doing it because of kin selection, but he's also not doing it for any reciprocity.
It's not, listen, old lady, I'll give you my seat, but you know what?
Next time, you better give me your seat.
No, I don't have any expectation of return.
I'm just doing it.
It's just a gesture, and it's a decent gesture, and it has no evolutionary explanation at all.
There's no Darwinian rationale that can account for this behavior.
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