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Coming up, I'll make the case for standardized tests but against the SAT arguing for a new classical learning test for college admission.
Debbie's going to join me for our Friday roundup.
We're going to discuss why Joe Biden has disowned his seventh grandchild, the clash between New York Mayor Adams and Texas Governor Greg Abbott, and the privilege of being homeless in Oregon.
I'm also going to begin a discussion of the important topic, what is natural law?
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Our educational institutions are in bad shape, not just the university system, but also the public school system.
National test scores have shown declines across the board in reading, in mathematics, in history, in civics proficiency.
And the Biden administration, by the way, knows this.
And here is the Education Secretary Cardona.
Now is not the time for politicians to extract double-digit cuts to education funding.
So for them, it's just give us some more money.
Well, they've been getting more money.
The education system has been getting more money almost consistently over 30 years and more.
And you could almost chart an inverse relationship between the amount of money poured in and a calamitous decline in results, in outcomes, educational outcomes.
Now, there are, at the university level, many people who are trying to get rid of the standardized testing system, and in particular, the Scholastic Assessment Test, the SAT, that is used for getting into college.
And I want to make the case, I've been a defender of the SAT because I think the benefit of a standardized test is simply this.
People apply to colleges from all different places in the country.
They apply from schools that have very different levels of academic competence.
And so merely to say I've got good grades means nothing because you've got good grades compared to what?
It could be that you're in a horrible school where the standards are really low and you're a valedictorian of your class, but that makes you a very mediocre student in any other school.
Which has better, more demanding standards.
So I've always thought, or I've long thought, that administering a single test across the board gives the college officials not the only tool, but one important tool to decide.
How do I compare? I'm choosing between student A and student B. Well, they've both taken the same test.
I confess that in this, I'm speaking in part because of my own case, when I applied to college for the first time in America, it's very difficult to communicate how the Indian grading system works and how I had performed in school in India.
I had performed well, but Indian scores are generally very low.
You can be first in your class and you're getting 81% out of 100.
Teachers tend to give people low scores.
And so when I turned in my high school transcript, I thought, they're going to look at this and go, this kid is super dumb.
There's no way we should admit him to Dartmouth or anywhere else.
And so I thought, wow, at least let me take the SAT where I can show that I've got a good vocabulary, I've got good math skills.
But the SAT is not the SAT anymore.
This is the point that a lot of people don't realize.
They think that the SAT that students take today is the same SAT that they took 30 or 40 or 50 years ago, or the SAT that I took in the very late 1970s.
But no, the SAT has gotten dumber.
It has, in a sense, brought its standards down.
And the people who administer the SAT have admitted it.
In fact, one of the heads of the SAT even talked about—this is, by the way, College Board Vice President Priscilla Rodriguez.
She's talking about a new SAT that will be, quote,"'easier to take, easier to give.'" So it doesn't take as much work to compile the test and a test that's going to be pretty easy to get a high score on.
Now again, when you do this, you make it more difficult again for the test to be a valid measurement.
Because think about it this way.
If you take a basketball net and you lower it three feet, then you go, now we're going to measure how effectively people throw the ball in the net.
Well, more people are going to get more dunks and more points.
But at the same time, you can't discriminate the decent from the really good, from the superbly good players anymore.
Why? Because you've ultimately dumbed down the whole thing.
So the SAT has been dumbing itself down and then dumbing itself even further when some people years ago raised an objection and said, you know, it's really troubling that the SAT is trying to measure aptitude.
It used to be called the Scholastic Aptitude Test, but they got rid of that.
And it's now then became the Scholastic Assessment Test.
Now they don't even really say what it is.
So I think that there is a good case for dumping the SAT, but the case for dumping the SAT is not because I'm against standardized tests, but because I think we need a better test, a new test.
A fellow I know who I've had on the podcast, Jeremy Tate, has created the classic learning test.
And this is a test that basically measures your knowledge of sort of great books and great ideas.
It's not a test that's measuring some natural innate ability.
You don't just come out of the womb, you know, reciting Shakespeare or talking about Socrates.
You have to learn. You have to study for the test.
But the test is measuring not only things that you should know as a citizen, but things that are useful for you in college.
So in other words, it's measuring the actual skills.
The verbal skills, the vocabulary skills, the rhetorical skills, the logical and argumentative skills, the mathematical skills that are essential to doing well in college.
This so-called classic learning test is currently used pretty widely among private school and homeschool programs, but it needs to be adopted more widely.
So what I'd like to see is a shift away from the SAT, which is becoming increasingly useless as a test.
and new tests of which maybe the CLT or the classic learning test can be just one, a better test aimed at more accurately reflecting what it is that students know and how well they are in fact prepared.
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Now I say, Joe Biden often says, I'm very proud of my six grandchildren.
That's because he won't acknowledge the seventh.
Who's the seventh? Well, it's the offspring of Hunter Biden and a stripper.
Well, Hunter Biden was at a strip club and he met this woman named London Roberts.
They conceived a child and evidently Hunter Biden denied it was his, but a paternity test got him.
It's his kid. The kid is evidently named Navy.
That's the name. Navy Biden.
Who do you think named him Navy?
Good question. I don't know.
I'm sure the mom. The mom.
Well, Hunter Biden has never met the kid.
He only acknowledges his other kids.
Apparently, he has one with his current wife.
He has three with his previous wife.
But there's a child support battle that's going on.
Now, look at this.
Hunter Biden has been paying $20,000 A month.
Navy Biden, so that she can take advantage of the Biden name.
She goes, obviously, the Biden name is a benefit to the other Bidens.
I mean, it's a benefit more than the way she recognizes.
But nevertheless, she wants to be able to use the name Biden.
So the two things that are being fought about in court, evidently, are number one, the child support, and two, the use of the name Biden.
Oh boy. Well, what could go wrong with a stripper mother and Hunter Biden as your dad?
I'm just saying.
I would say this kid has not come out ahead in the lottery of life because we can't choose our parents.
We just get the parents we have.
And sometimes some people just get the bad luck of the draw.
So I was telling you yesterday that I thought it was interesting because you know that they're going to want to disclose all of Hunter Biden's finances, right?
And so this actually may expose Mr.
Biden, if you know what I mean.
This is very interesting.
In fact, this is exactly what is going on in the courtroom.
The Hunter Biden claimed that due to the complexity of being a member of the first family and that all these records, financial records and so on, should be put under seal, that they were not relevant to this and that there was no reason to go into it.
But the judge is having none of it.
Yeah. It has to.
The judge basically goes, no, if you want to see Hunter Biden, what I find interesting is, and this is really what cheapskates these Bidens are, you'd think with the big corruption racket they've got going, they'd be like, listen, let's just pay the woman 20 grand.
And zip it. Exactly.
And shut her up and let her use the name Biden or any other name she wants to use.
No problem. But no, in trying to squeeze her, they've forced her to press the matter.
And now the judge is saying, OK, first of all, you need to show up, Hunter Biden.
And two, we need to get full disclosure of your finances.
And I think that's what you're getting at, is that this opens the Pandora's box.
I can't. I mean, but you know, again, all this other stuff that's coming out about Biden having been corrupt while he was vice president, you know, all those things.
I mean, what's happening?
So what's going to happen here if they find out that indeed Mr.
Big Guy was raking in the dough and he was using his political office to do so?
so what's going to happen? I don't think anything. And this is what's so frustrating. Even, you know, I get a little excited about this baby mama thing, but at the end of the day, is it really going to produce anything meaningful?
Well I think this is what the left is trying to show is we control the executive branch and we have the media in tow.
And therefore, we can do anything and there's nothing you can do about it.
And even if you do what you can, namely, you expose it, which is what the House is doing through these investigations.
So that's valuable, by the way, because because the left is in full denial mode and you need to show here's the suitcase of cash.
Here's all the money in unmarked bills.
Here's what was distributed among the Bidens.
Here are the emails that prove it.
You need to make a watertight case, even if you can't do anything about it right now, even if Mayorkas is completely corrupt.
But again, it's not that you can't do anything.
You can impeach Mayorkas.
You can impeach Merrick Garland.
There are things you can do, and I think apparently the way Republicans function is it's like, I need to have full cause before I proceed, as opposed to, let me proceed now.
You mean like the Democrats do?
Like the Democrats do. Indict, proceed, begin the impeachment process, and then allow all this information to come pouring in while the process is going forward.
I would love to see the Mallorcas and whoever else.
And Merrick Garland. But really, I would love to see Biden get impeached.
I mean, that to me...
Well, he's the main crook.
He's the main crook. Yeah.
In fact, these other guys are henchmen who are doing his bidding.
It's kind of like, you know, let's go get Luca Brasi.
Okay, yeah. Let's go get this guy.
Let's go get the consigliere.
Yeah, but what about the Corleone family?
Who's driving the crime at the top?
Yeah. And the crime boss is, in fact, Joe Biden.
Yeah, he is. Hunter Biden also, in a way, is himself a henchman.
He's a bag man. He's a front man.
It's ultimately not Hunter Biden.
Maybe a despicable character.
And maybe that's why Biden chose him to do all this stuff, to be the front man.
But the real crook, the big crook and the most protected crook of all, Joe Biden.
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I've been talking this week about this really horrific shooting in Texas in which a Mexican national, a guy who has been back and forth across the border, in fact I believe deported five times.
Nevertheless, he keeps making his way back.
This guy goes over to his neighbors and starts shooting them, kills five of them in a killing spree, and all because they complained that he was making a lot of noise by shooting his gun in his backyard, and they had a baby next door who couldn't sleep.
I mean, this has sort of captured the imagination of people, and yet there's a political and a policy side and a media side to this that is very instructive.
And disturbing. So the headlines, of course, read, mass shooter using an AR-15 kills five members, yada yada.
Kills five victims. Yes.
Nowhere did it mention that he was an illegal alien and...
And I'm assuming the majority of the family he killed were also individuals.
Well, you don't have to assume. They were.
I think one was a permanent resident.
One may have been a permanent resident, but probably the others were not.
But anyway, so that was not mentioned in anything.
But, you know, to the bigger picture, this guy...
I mean, think about all of the Francisco Orespa, what is his name?
Oropesas. Oropesas of the world, right?
Of Mexico, Central America, you name it, that are like him.
And I told you that he was probably an ex-cartel member because he's a pretty violent guy.
I'm assuming that he did this in Mexico as well.
He probably killed a bunch of people.
I mean, he was playing with his gun, firing it in the backyard.
I'm just saying, you know, if he's that way here, he was probably that way there.
And as you know, in Mexico, there's a lot of violence and in Central America, which is why all these people end up here.
Right. Because they can't.
They're fleeing the violence. They can't fix the violence down there.
So what are we doing? We're allowing all of these violent criminals to just come on over.
And then when they do something, oh yeah, no, it's not the person.
It's not the person. It's what they used.
It's the weapon they used that they talk about.
Not the person and not the fact that he was illegal.
And had he been deported and stayed in Mexico, this would never have happened.
But that was not...
I was afraid the guy had absconded back to Mexico.
It'd be really hard to find him.
He can't do that. It's six hours to the border from here.
And there's no way he could have gotten away by foot or hitchhiking or whatever down to Mexico.
I mean, he wasn't in a vehicle. And they were looking for him.
They were looking for him. So he ends up in his wife's house, which I don't know how she was in a different house, but apparently in Montgomery County.
And they found him in her hamper.
So, they arrested a few people, not just her.
And then, of course, somebody was offered $80,000 for information.
And they apparently collected, from what I hear.
Somebody gave him a tip. Somebody gave, yeah, gave the FBI the tip that he was hiding in this house.
And so, anyway, so the woman, probably bad, you know, person as well, obviously.
Yeah. She's shielding this guy and he's a wanted murderer.
And she knows what he did because everybody knew what he did.
So anyway, but that's very, very bad.
But I want to talk a little bit about Title 42 that is going to be a thing of the past in a week.
Because this is very bad and I'm not sure that people understand how bad it is.
It's going to flood our country with millions, and I mean millions of illegals.
And some of these illegals will be violent.
So if we think crime is bad now, it's going to get much, much worse.
So Title 42 is a blocking mechanism that prevents immigrants, not immigrants, illegals from coming into the country on the basis of COVID. But now with COVID subsiding and the Biden regime declaring COVID a thing of the past, it's like Title 42 expires.
And what Debbie's saying is it will then up the ante because the other normal protections at the border are not in place.
Title 42 was a kind of a band-aid that was just holding it.
And it was just abandoned because, as you know, still thousands and thousands and thousands still come in.
Still come in. Yeah, even under Title 42.
Yeah. And so just from what I hear from my family and friends down in the valley, which is where my mother lives, it is really bad.
They are coming in and there are, I believe that the Biden administration sent about 1500 troops, National Guard, but they're not allowed to apprehend.
They're only there to help the border patrol with paperwork.
Processing. Processing.
That's it.
And so they're actually- So it gives you a false sense of security.
That's the worst.
They're not sending troops down to the border.
They want people to think, oh yeah, the troops are gonna be, no, their troops are not there for that purpose.
Not at all.
In fact, some of my friends that have witnessed this, have witnessed them coming through the border, say that the National Guard are basically just kind of like, even, you know, go through an even file.
Just come this way. Just come this way.
And there are videos on social media of places like El Paso, and it's like mad chaos.
Yeah, Brownsville too. And you've got people everywhere.
The whole scene is like a scene out of a third world country.
And really, that's what Biden is doing to us.
He's creating third world conditions in America.
Yeah. And it's sickening to watch.
We could talk more about this in the next segment, but there's a whole lot more.
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In another development related to the border, Mayor Adams, Eric Adams of New York, is calling Greg Abbott, the governor of Texas, a racist because he claims that Governor Abbott is sending illegals to, quote, black cities or cities with black mayors, as if to say Governor Abbott is going down the list.
This guy's black.
Let me send some illegals over there.
So that's the premise of this.
It's just downright laughable.
It is laughable.
And recently, Lori Lightfoot said the same thing, because apparently these illegals are now camping out in lobbies.
I think at the police station lobby, one of them, and then hotel lobbies.
And they're all over the place.
And Lori Lightfoot has also said, hey, you know, stop sending them.
We don't have any room for them.
And then, of course, Governor Abbott says to her and to Adams, listen, if you think your city is bad, you should come to Texas.
You You should come to the border in Texas.
It is really bad.
It's 10 times worse because they're only sending a few of them to these cities.
I mean, the left is calling it a stunt, and I suppose it is, but it's a very valuable stunt because it kind of shows, listen, you're imposing all this hardship on us, in fact, 10 times.
And so we're just going to give you a little taste, a little glimpse of what your policies are producing.
It's not as if Lori Lightfoot, Mayor Adams, or Gavin Newsom in New York, I'm repudiating the illegals.
They want the illegals to come, just not to their part of town.
It's like you keep them.
Exactly. And then, of course, Adams has said, I never used the term racial.
You know, like he said, he didn't.
He backed off a little bit. He backed off.
He goes, but let's look at the facts, Adams said when asked by the Post about his racially loaded statement Monday to Blast Abbott.
But he did not mention, of course, Mayor Oscar Lesser, a Democrat native to Mexico who busts more than twice as many illegals to the Big Apple than Abbott.
And no, that was never mentioned, right?
So, yeah, this is really bad.
And I do think that it's only going to get worse, guys.
I mean, if you think this is bad now...
Next week, I don't really know.
If we don't declare this a national disaster, I don't know what is.
Because this is a disaster.
I mean, you were saying we could see millions.
Millions, millions of illegals in this country.
Millions. And, you know, where are they going to go?
It's going to be very, very bad.
But you know what? You know who I blame?
Of course, I do blame Biden.
But I blame the voter that has absolutely no clue what he's voting for.
He votes for Democrats because they're cool or because their favorite Hollywood star thinks that they're cool, whatever.
I blame those voters because they are the ones...
That send these people over the top and make them win.
And so, you know, it just...
I mean, let's apply that same logic to another story we just saw, and it has to do with the homeless.
Oh, yes, in Oregon. Because, right again, we're talking about voters in Oregon.
Of course, there are conservatives in Oregon.
I've spoken many times in Oregon.
There are lots of very active, engaged conservatives.
But it also seems like there are just a lot of people in Oregon who are voting for Democrats, who impose—we're not just talking about traditional Democratic policies, but far-left policies— Venezuela policy.
Venezuela style policy.
Let's talk about this one. So there's an Oregon bill that would decriminalize homeless encampments and allow unhoused people to sue for harassment.
In other words, if you live in your home, right, and you have a tent right outside of your garage in your driveway, whatever, and you go and you tell the homeless person, hey, this is my house.
Can you please go somewhere else?
They can sue you for a thousand bucks.
Because you're harassing them.
So think of what this is.
This is not simple decriminalization.
It's called the Oregon Right to Rest Act.
We all have a right to rest, guys.
You have a right to rest.
I have a right to rest. Well, the point I'm trying to make is that although it's presented as decriminalizing the homeless, it is decriminalizing the homeless and criminalizing you.
It's criminalizing the law-abiding citizen because what it's really saying to you is that if you now try to exercise your property rights...
Your rights to cleanliness in your neighborhood.
You don't want the homeless guy setting up there.
You're the harasser and they're the victim.
They have the right to make a claim against you.
It's a little astounding, really.
It is. And you know what's really even crazier than that?
Is the very reason why these people are experiencing homelessness is because of the Democrat policies.
So it's like...
Democratic policies have magnetically attracted the homeless to these cities with all these promises and benefits.
Also, Democrats support not institutionalizing people who are mentally ill on the grounds that you are violating their civil rights.
You have to let them roam free.
So you create the conditions for the homeless, you attract the homeless to your city, and then you empower the homeless against the ordinary citizen.
So if there's anyone in Oregon voting for this...
They deserve it. You deserve it.
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Feel the difference. What does it mean to have your conscience anesthetized?
I mean, absolutely wiped out.
I saw a video on social media just, I think, yesterday or the day before.
And you see this woman and she is a drunk driver.
In fact, she has just killed two people.
Her name is Stephanie Malgoza.
And you can see her in the video talking to the cop and she goes, well, when am I going to get my car back?
And the cop goes, well, your car is totaled.
And she goes, yeah, we're going to get it back.
I got to go to school.
And the cop goes, well, you just killed two people.
So you can't go to school.
You're going to be held in jail.
And you're going to be charged.
And she goes, and so you're not going to get your car back.
And so she keeps pressing.
She has no sympathy for the people she's killed.
She doesn't even really care.
No, and she's grinning, laughing.
And she's coming back to, yeah, but where's my car?
I need to get to school. If I can't get it tomorrow, can I get it the next day?
And the sheer, you could tell even the cop, who's probably a fairly hardened guy, was taken aback by the kind of brazen insensitivity.
And it highlights this whole issue of somehow...
I mean, look, she was drunk when she did it.
She didn't look drunk at the time.
I don't think she was intoxicated when she was talking to the cops.
She's speaking very clearly.
So bad people getting drunk, well, that's the recipe for disaster.
But, you know, speaking of drunk drivers...
I mean, I don't know what it is.
This last couple of weeks, I have read some horrific and some, oh, just gut-wrenching, heart-rending stories of people being killed by drunk drivers.
The first one was this young boy who had gone to a Taylor Swift concert here in Houston, was killed by a drunk driver.
He had apparently his car, he'd gone with his sister, she had bought tickets, she was all excited because they were super fans and you know Taylor Swift has super fans and they were and they went to the concert, had a great time, took lots of photos and then apparently their car broke down and he was pushing the car off the freeway and you know Houston freeways are horrible.
They're dangerous anyway.
But you couple that with a drunk driver in Houston and it's horrible, horrible.
So this drunk driver, of course, killed this young man as he was pushing the car and then fled.
He was arrested. He was caught and arrested.
But I thought, oh my goodness, what a sad story.
And of course, people came to the rescue.
They gave lots of money to the GoFundMe and all of that.
And then I read another case where this couple had just gotten married on the beach.
It was a beautiful little ceremony.
bride and groom and this woman who was apparently so so they were in a vehicle called an LSV it was not a golf cart At first, it was reported that the bride and the groom and two other people, two members of their family, were in this golf cart, apparently taking them back to their house or their beach house that they had rented.
And so this drunk driving lunatic, Okay, was driving a car going 65 miles an hour.
And I think that the speed limit was 35.
And she smashed into this LSV, sending it 100 feet.
And then of course, it rolled several times, killing the bride instantly.
And injuring the groom pretty badly.
I mean, he's in critical condition.
I think he may be stable, but he did have a brain injury and lots of broken bones and everything, but he lost the love of his life.
And he had just married her a few hours before.
Right. You have the wedding and all the joy that goes into that.
Yeah, yeah. So I just really think that this whole drunk driving phenomenon...
Well, what's this business in the article? There's something about Bud Light.
So this woman that killed... this girl that killed the bride and groom...
or that killed the bride and injured the groom was apparently dressed as a Bud Light bottle for Halloween several years ago.
And when you go to her Instagram, she's always holding up a beer.
She's always holding up some liquor or whatever.
And she was behind the wheel of this Toyota rental car when she plowed into the back of this car, of this car.
What do you call it? LSV. LSV vehicle.
And of course, she resisted arrest.
They apparently tried to do a sobriety test right then and there and she wouldn't have it.
She was reeking of alcohol.
The police said that she smelled really strongly of alcohol and that she was, you know, not cooperating.
So they had to do a blood test to see, you know, if she was.
And she was, I think, three times the legal limit of I mean, this is just a case of absolute moral irresponsibility because, look, you can be an aficionado of Bud Light or of alcohol, but it's a whole different thing to get in a car.
And then think of the impact you're having.
You're destroying the lives of, you'd have to say, of two people and more.
Because even though one guy is still clinging to life and maybe stable now, but what's he going to wake up to?
Yeah, and this woman, well, what is she gonna get, right?
So she's gonna be charged with three felony DUIs resulting in great bodily injury or death and one count of reckless homicide.
So do you think that that's enough?
You know what? I think you should lock these people up for the rest of their lives.
Well, they've certainly taken, in this case, another person's life and that person isn't coming back, are they?
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Sometimes when we cover, you know, the depressing topics of what's happening at the border or murders or, in this case, drunk driving, It's good to see the better side of life, the happier side of life.
And there's a character in Texas.
I didn't know about him.
Well, yeah, I didn't know about him until I moved to Texas, but he's kind of a feature in the greater Houston area.
He runs a big furniture business and his name is Jim McInvale.
McInvale. And of course, we all call him Mattress Mac.
When I moved to Houston in 1989, Was when I first got a glance at this man who...
You can see there's funny ads.
Oh my goodness. So they were really funny ads.
Turn on the TV and here comes this guy with a dollar bill in his hand.
And he's like, gallery furniture really will save you money.
And I was like, oh my gosh, if I see another commercial like that, I'm just going to turn off the TV. I thought this guy's nuts.
But... You know, he really did become an institution in Houston.
I mean, he really did. And, of course, I knew about him because he was just this famous salesman that sold furniture.
But what I didn't know about him was really the complex story behind his life and just how generous of a man he is.
Well, talk about the rodeo that you went to.
So I'd gone to a rodeo and there was this kid that was, you know, obviously had a bull that was just a really like small thing.
I didn't think he was going to get any money.
The point is that they put these bulls up and they encourage people to buy the bull and then that gives you money as a scholarship to go to college.
It's called the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo.
And so the whole point of it is for these kids, they go to FFA, they raise these animals, they can raise either bulls, they can raise...
Cows, cattle, all kinds.
You know, Juliana did a goat.
You know, she raised a goat and cattle.
But anyway, so apparently he was so struck by this kid and how hard he was working that he bid $100,000 for this job.
For his cattle and sent him off to college.
I mean, it paid for his full tuition in college.
For four years. And that wasn't an isolated case.
I mean, he did this again and again and again.
And not to mention, every time Houston would have flooding, and let me tell you, Houston is- Right after hurricane.
I remember after Harvey.
Yeah, but we've had a bunch of other hurricanes and floods before Harvey.
He always came to the rescue, even through those.
He donates furniture.
He opens up his facilities for people to take shelter.
He's a remarkably big-hearted guy.
He is a big-hearted guy.
And I was also very struck by the fact that he's a Republican.
He's very conservative.
And it's no surprise.
Not a surprise in a way, right?
Because there's been a whole body of data showing that while Democrats advocate greater philanthropy, charity, they don't do it.
They don't do it. They're cheapskates.
They are, but he's not a cheapskate.
And the other thing that he does that's kind of crazy, in my opinion, he loves the Houston Astros.
And he loves to bet on the Houston Astros.
Bet a lot of money. A lot of money.
In fact, the last time when the Houston Astros won the World Series, he won $75 million.
Wow. You can just get an idea of the size of the bets this guy must make to win that magnitude of money.
Yeah, yeah. But he is funny.
And one of the things I was reading in the Houston Chronicle page, and by the way, Houston Chronicle is very left-wing, so I was very surprised that they did a whole...
And a positive. We're good to go.
He was very depressed because he was broke and all of those things.
He was living with his sister.
But he decided that he was going to come to Houston.
And so he had a girlfriend at the time.
And he said, hey, let's go to Houston.
And she was like, well, not until we're married.
You know, so that was kind of the criteria.
And he hesitated because, of course, he didn't really want to get married.
But then he goes, he goes, he recounts, he thought, well...
Where could he find a better, cheaper employee?
So I thought that was hysterical.
So that was the start probably of a very long and fruitful marriage.
Yeah, so they're still married and everything.
But he really is a phenomenal person.
And, you know, I know a lot of people, if you don't live in Houston, you have no idea who he is.
But Houston has, in the Houston area, about 6 million people.
So a lot of people know who this guy is.
I mean, very often in every town, and there is a small number of people, the Jim McInbails of the world, they're the ones who are holding things up because they're the ones who are putting themselves on the line and just revealing the kind of character that's part of what attracted me to America.
There's a certain American personality here.
And unfortunately, the left is creating an America, I'm afraid, in which there will be far fewer Jim McInbails.
I'm now beginning a new chapter in my book, What's So Great About Christianity?
And we're, you know, we're in chapter 20 out of, what, 26?
So we're moving toward the last part of the book and completing our mini course on Christian apologetics.
I was talking to Debbie. What should I do next?
And Debbie's like, maybe you should do the topic of Reagan.
And a book I wrote on Reagan called Ronald Reagan, How an Ordinary Man Became an Extraordinary Leader.
So I'm giving some thought to that.
I like the idea.
And I think because not only is Reagan historically important, but he's relevant in many ways to things that are going on today and questions of leadership in the Republican Party and in the country.
The chapter we're going to begin with is called Natural Law and Divine Law, The Objective Foundations of Morality.
And I begin the chapter with a verse from Paul, Letter to the Romans, 2.14.
When Gentiles who do not have the law do by nature things required by the law, they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts.
Yeah. Very interesting statement by Paul.
He says, in effect, that the Jews are given the law.
Here are the laws, the Ten Commandments, or the more extensive code of laws that Jews or Orthodox Jews follow.
And Paul is saying, but there's a whole bunch of people in the world who don't have those laws.
They haven't heard about the Ten Commandments.
Nobody gave them a list.
But, says Paul, they do by nature things required by the law.
So Paul is implying that even though they don't have the law, An external law, they do have an internal law, a sort of law that is inscribed on their hearts.
And if they follow that, which happens to correspond with the external law, then they are showing that they have this law without, in a sense, being given it by anybody.
Or to put it somewhat differently, it seems to be given to them as human beings and perhaps given to them directly by God.
Now, religion and morality seem, on the face of it, to be somewhat separate.
And I say that because religion has to do with God, with your soul, with the afterlife, with Jesus having died for your sins.
And morality, although related, appears to be related to things that you ought to do or perhaps ought not to do.
And we all know people who are not religious, who nevertheless do know the difference between right and wrong.
And so we can't make a simple and easy equation between religion and morality.
So it's the relationship between the two that I'm going to be exploring.
Now, here's an interesting statement by Richard Dawkins.
The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction.
I mean, right there, Dawkins is blasting God.
First of all, claiming that there is no God.
He's a character in fiction.
But nevertheless, in fiction, he is a very unpleasant character.
But Jealous and proud of it, a petty, unjust, unforgiving, control freak, a vindictive, bloodthirsty, ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic, homophobic, racist infant, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.
Now, I could comment on this, but I just want to note that Dawkins is supposed to be a measured...
Scientist. But somehow, you notice how the scientific tone is like gone, and you suddenly have this fulmination against God.
It's very clear that Dawkins doesn't just disbelieve in God.
He sort of hates God.
He hates what God represents.
He hates the attributes or characteristics of God.
And But nevertheless, going beyond this intemperate rant, there is the broader issue of morality.
And what I want to do is to show in this chapter that morality and religion are closely connected.
Morality is both natural and And universal.
By natural, I mean it is embedded.
It is a part of human nature.
It's also universal.
It's across cultures.
Morality is discoverable without religion, yet its source is ultimately divine.
In other words, that little voice inside of you, that little inscription in your heart, the impartial spectator, as Adam Smith calls him, This impartial spectator was put there.
There's no kind of evolutionary explanation for it.
It was put there by God almost as a form of internal divine communication with human beings, including human beings that are trying to distance themselves from their creator.
They may not have religion, but they still have morality.
So I'm going to show that Darwinian attempts to give a purely secular explanation of morality are a failure.
And each of us knows, however disingenuously we deny it, that there are absolute standards of right and wrong.
And these are precisely the standards that we use when we judge how other people treat us.
It's not Christian morality that is the obstacle to our moral freedom.
It is our conscience itself, the judge within.
Now, there are a lot of atheists who fault religion for imposing this kind of harsh morality on people.
And Christopher Hitchens, for example, once told me, I don't want to go to heaven, Dinesh.
I don't want to live under all the rules that God has established for us.
I want to be free.
And at the same time, the same atheists who make these kinds of points also say, hey listen, atheists can be good people too.
Here's Daniel Dennett.
There are many wise, engaged, morally committed atheists and agnostics.
So here you have atheists saying on the one hand that religion imposes morality and then somewhat contradictorily on the other hand, Yeah, but we also follow morality.
We can't be said to be less moral than you guys.
We know the difference between right and wrong as well.
So think about these general statements as a prelude to a discussion of the very vexed question, what really is morality and what really is natural law?
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