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Coming up, I'll explore how the Biden campaign coordinated a lie, a piece of disinformation, perpetrated by 51 intelligence officials to conceal the evidence of the big guy's global racket.
Chaya Rechik, the creator of Libs of TikTok, joins me.
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Slowly but surely and also belatedly, the net is starting to tighten around Joe Biden and Biden family corruption.
I spoke on Friday about the senior IRS official who is applied to be a whistleblower.
This is a guy who says that the Biden DOJ has been systematically thwarting Criminal prosecution of Hunter Biden.
And the reason they're doing it is not even because, oh, he's the president's son.
It's because Biden is involved.
Not only is Biden involved, Biden is the leader of the familia, the la familia that has organized this operation.
And Hunter Biden is by no means the only guy who That has been carrying it out.
Be one thing if even Biden had said to Hunter, listen, you're my front man, you can use my name.
No, this involves many Bidens.
How many Bidens? We still don't know.
I think the number is up to 11.
This is a number that was...
Revealed by Representative James Comer.
Who is James Comer? He's the Republican congressman that's doing essentially Biden family oversight.
And what he's been doing is contacting various banks and getting records of payments from various entities around the world, notably from China.
And this is money that is flowing through many times the shell corporations and front groups flowing to various members of the Biden family.
Apparently, it's not just Hunter Biden or James Biden or Frank Biden, but the in-laws, the wives.
This is basically an operation that probably rivals the Corleones and is in some ways far more dangerous.
Corleones were doing bootlegging.
They were doing gambling, but they weren't selling U.S. influence and U.S. access to deadly enemies of the United States.
And this is really what the Bidens are enriching themselves at the expense of the ordinary American, a shocking and scandalous development, something that on itself disqualifies this man from being president.
This is what I want to focus on, is the new revelation that the 51 intelligence agents who affirmed that the Hunter Biden laptop was not authentic, was not Hunter Biden's laptop,
But said that it was Russian disinformation, as if the Russians put it together, or the Russians somehow got their contents, their propaganda, their falsehoods into Hunter Biden's laptop.
51 prominent intelligence officials said this publicly, and they said this on a single letter.
And this single letter was very helpful.
It came right before the final presidential debate when the scandal was heating up.
The New York Post was covering the story.
The story, by the way, censored on digital media.
And then Joe Biden in the debate goes, look, there are 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what this, what Trump is accusing me of is a Russian plan.
They have said that this has all the characteristics, four or five former heads of the CIA, both parties...
Say what he's saying is a bunch of garbage.
So Biden was able, obviously with the help of the media, to put this issue temporarily to rest, to remove it, so to speak, from the campaign by pointing to these 50 intelligence officials and saying, even they say... These guys from both parties, officials, leading officials who have access to information that you don't have.
See, this is the key. This is why intelligence officials carry a certain kind of prestige and why people listen to them.
It's because they are thought to have troves of knowledge that they can get behind the scenes, information that is not available to the general public.
And yet we now find out that this letter was cooked up, was initiated by...
You guessed it, the Biden presidential campaign.
Now, amazingly, the press, which is supposed to be investigative, looking at things, either never bothered to look into this or never seems to have found out about it.
It emerged only recently from Republican House questioning of a fellow, Mike Morrell.
This is the former deputy CIA director under Obama.
And in questioning, Mike Morrell admitted, he goes, listen, the reason we got this letter going is I got a phone call from Anthony Blinken.
Who's Anthony Blinken? You know who he is.
He's the Secretary of State. But let's remember that he was also a senior advisor to the Biden campaign.
So representing the Biden campaign, Blinken calls Morrell and he goes, basically...
We need a letter.
And you need to round up a bunch of intelligence officials.
Morell says he took the letter and he forwarded it to other people, including former Obama Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and others.
And this is how the letter actually got started.
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I'm continuing my discussion of the 51 intelligence officials who signed a letter.
A letter that we now know is itself misinformation, if not disinformation.
And the term disinformation is more accurate here because it's a deliberate lie put out by the Biden campaign and then taken up by two groups of accomplices.
Of course, it's the 51 intelligence officials themselves.
They really knew that they were put up to it, but they agreed to be put up to it.
And they agreed to testify to something that they knew was cooked up by the Biden campaign.
They might have suspected that this, They might not have known much about the letter, like who wrote it.
We have no idea what was on the Hunter Biden laptop.
But they agreed, okay, listen, we're all signing this letter.
It's going to help the Biden campaign.
And this is the point.
Mike Morrell was asked in questioning, why did you do it?
And he's very clear.
He goes, quote, I'm doing it, he says in part to Trump.
Help Biden to win the election.
So, a blatant admission that this is false information.
Now, obviously, there are two purposes to this.
One of them is to cover up Biden family corruption.
And we're seeing that that cover-up continues.
Notice how little reporting there is in the media about this.
Now, I was happy to see that CBS News, alone of the three networks, did cover the...
The latest developments on the senior IRS agent who's blowing the whistle.
They did a segment on this, but nothing from ABC, nothing from NBC. And this is also not just corruption, but election interference.
It's election interference. Why?
Because the purpose of the letter quite clearly was to mislead the American public.
If the American public was getting wind...
Now, it's hard to get wind of it because the media was suppressing it.
There was digital censorship.
But if you heard about the Biden...
A Hunter Biden laptop, you're like, oh my gosh, it has all this evidence of corruption.
This might affect the way that I vote.
Here with these 51 intelligence officials, we know more than you do.
We really know what's going on behind the scenes.
Don't worry about this.
It's Russian disinformation.
So you've got a corrupt intelligence establishment and you've got a corrupt and complicit media.
Now, no surprise that Recently, the Rasmussen survey put the question to the American people, are our recent elections, they're talking about 2020, they're talking about 2022, are elections in America today clean or are they affected by cheating?
Turns out, 60% of likely U.S. voters think it is likely that cheating affected the outcomes of at least some races in last year's midterm elections, including 37% who say it's very likely.
35% say they don't believe it's likely that the midterms were affected by cheating, and 20% say it's not likely at all.
62% say it is likely that state and federal officials are ignoring evidence of widespread election fraud, including 37% who say it is very likely.
Now, I have to kind of chuckle, maybe even take a little bit of solace or satisfaction in these results, because there has been a supreme effort to To convince the American people on the part of the media, on the part of Biden officials, on the part of the CISA, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Agency, that these elections are spotlessly clean.
Any talk of systematic fraud is nonsense.
There may be an isolated case here, an isolated case there.
Ignore 2,000 mules.
Don't worry about the Hunter Biden laptop.
But you see here that the election interference and the election rigging occurs in very complex ways.
Elon Musk raised the example of Mark Zuckerberg putting half a billion dollars into the way elections are organized.
Obviously, if you change a process, you're going to also affect an outcome.
And Elon Musk said, wouldn't you consider that to be election interference?
It's hard to think of any other way to look at it when you look more closely at what Zuckerberg did.
So you've got the Hunter Biden laptop.
You've got Zuckerberg.
You've got censorship.
You've got Google manipulating its search algorithms.
And then, of course, you've got all the evidence accumulated in 2,000 mules.
So you can see why the American public, and this is interesting because if you're talking about percentages that are this high, it means that a substantial percentage of Democrats, too, agree or at least suspect that things are not on the up and up.
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Guys, I'd like to welcome to the podcast a new guest.
Well, you've probably heard on social media of the persona Libs of TikTok.
On Twitter, it's at Libs of TikTok.
And we have the creator of Libs of TikTok.
It's Kaya Raichik.
She's also the author of a children's book that we're going to talk about called No More Secrets, The Candy Cavern.
But Kaya, welcome to the podcast.
Great to have you. And, you know, you've created a real sensation with this persona, Libs of TikTok.
Let's start by me just asking you to tell a little bit about yourself and how you got the idea of doing what Libs of TikTok does, which is expose people by doing nothing more than presenting them in their own persona and in their own words.
Yeah, well, first of all, Dinesh, thanks for having me.
It's great to be here. Liz and TikTok started during COVID because just like most other people probably listening to this, my office was shut down.
You know, the world was turned upside down.
A lot of people couldn't work.
So I was at home, kind of bored, looking for something new to keep me entertained.
And that's when I stumbled across TikTok.
And TikTok, at the time when I first started, my account was mainly just focusing on COVID. So I posted a lot of videos about people, you know, thinking about getting vaccinated and the whole vaccine cult and the fear-bongering and people being obsessed with Fauci.
So just really funny and entertaining.
And I started sharing all that.
And then I stumbled across the other side of TikTok where I saw these activists and rumors and predators.
And these people are in all the industries.
So teachers and doctors and counselors and just activists in general.
And these people, I realized, were targeting kids on TikTok.
And they were trying to push the agenda to be basically sexualized kids.
And I was like, this is like so crazy.
And nobody was like talking about it.
And I just knew that I had to expose this.
And that's when Let's Stick Top became a mission to protect children and to protect childhood innocence.
Now, did you find on TikTok, and do you find more generally as you look around the culture today, that this is the real thrust of so-called trans ideology?
Because it's conceivable that you could have a whole predator operation...
Let's say on TikTok or anywhere else.
And it has nothing to do with the trans.
You've just got these pedophiles who are interested in children.
But it looks like there's been a sort of a weird merger between the corrupting of children on the one hand...
And this sort of drag queen story hour and the idea that...
So that is... Am I right that the trans ideology is the vehicle through which this is done?
Or are there many other vehicles also?
Yes, I think you're right.
And I think it really thrives a lot on TikTok specifically.
Because I believe that TikTok is a weapon for China to destroy us from within...
To target children so that we have a confused and chaotic and destructive society.
That's what I believe.
We're seeing specifically on TikTok all of these activists who are pushing the transgender Who are pushing gender ideology.
And I think that it does exist on other platforms as well.
But the way that TikTok is designed is that they feed, with the algorithm, they feed kids this type of content.
So I believe that it's being pushed onto kids specifically.
And TikTok is also...
A platform, I believe, for narcissists because they just video themselves.
They put it out there. They just want views.
They want to just talk about themselves.
So that's why I really became a center for people who are activists who want to push it.
They want to talk about their pronouns and about their gender.
So they do that.
And then the algorithm feeds it to kids.
And then, you know, we're left with just tons of confused children.
And that's exactly what I think China wants.
I mean, the technique that you came up with, which is so simple, is essentially to just cut clips of people speaking in their own words.
And I think it's quite amusing how people began to scream and accuse you of being hateful.
And you were being hateful for doing nothing more than showing people, in a sense, their own design self-presentation.
Did you suffer censorship either at Twitter or YouTube or Facebook?
Talk a little bit about what the left has done to try to go after you.
Yeah, so I think that with a lot of these activists and the far left in general, they want to exist in their own little bubble where everybody agrees with that.
So I was taking their own content, sharing it with zero editorial, barely adding commentary, and they couldn't stand to see it because it's being shown to people who might not agree with that.
So for my efforts of simply sharing their own videos, I was banned seven or eight times from Twitter, temporarily banned.
My Instagram and Facebook were both suspended.
Those were both reversed, actually.
I was banned from Linktree.
I was banned from a few other software companies at least.
But the censorship is...
It got totally out of control.
And for simply just sharing their own videos in their own words, because it was a threat to their agenda, because other people were finally seeing what they themselves were putting out there, what they themselves believe in, and their own opinions.
Let's take a pause, Kayo.
When we come back, let's talk a little bit more about censorship.
And then I want to also talk about your children's book.
It's called No More Secrets.
The Candy Cavern.
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We're talking about censorship.
I mean, Kaya, what's so strange about all this is that the left keeps saying we need censorship to prevent misinformation and disinformation.
How could you possibly be accused of doing either when you are merely quoting people or cutting clips of their own videos?
I mean, isn't there something kind of nuts about that?
Yeah, and I think it just comes back to the fact that they know that they can justify their opinion.
So, you know, that's why I think that my method of just showing them in their own words is super effective because they can't deny it.
They can't deny that they're saying these things and that this is happening.
And they also can't justify it because their views don't hold up to scrutiny.
So that's why they just want to silence me or silence people who disagree with them, because it's a threat to their agenda.
And at first, Twitter, I was suspended so many times while being so careful about to violate the rules.
And then after Elon bought Twitter, in the Twitter files, there was a memo from a Twitter employee saying how I never violated the rules, but they just wanted to suspend me.
So it just shows that the censorship, it was coming from all sides, but I'm actually pretty vocal.
I think that with Elon owning Twitter, the censorship is, it obviously, it's going to go way down.
I don't think I'm going to be censored on Twitter anymore, other platforms as well.
I think that their whole narrative is crumbling and they know it.
You know, all the legislation that's being passed to protect children.
So I'm just really grateful that I got to have a part in that.
I mean, it is encouraging because it seems like for censorship to work, you would need the collusion of all the main platforms.
So just with Twitter alone having broken out of that, it now puts pressure on YouTube and Facebook.
At least this is my hope also, that we'll be able to break the censorship algorithms and algorithms in those places as well.
Let's pivot slightly to the issue of a children's book.
You've joined, well, Debbie and I actually did a book on Socialism for Brave Books and a number of other people that we probably both know are also doing the same.
Talk for a moment about why you decided to embark upon a children's book and then tell us specifically a little bit more about this one.
So I spent two years basically exposing the far left for their agenda to sexualizing for a kid.
And I decided that, you know, it's not just enough to expose them and to raise awareness about it, but I wanted to actually give parents a tool that they can use to combat it.
So, my book basically just encourages families to strengthen the family unit to create that trust between parents and children.
And it teaches kids a lesson that, and parents can use my book to have a conversation with their kids about trusted adults who may potentially be predators or groomers.
So it opens up that conversation.
And I think that my book could actually help save a lot of children.
Over the weekend, we had a little bit of a family reunion.
And I was reminiscing that when I was seven years old, we had a guy who rented a room in the back of our house.
He was a pilot. And one day he said to me, Hey, Dinesh, come to my room.
I'm going to teach you the game of chess.
And so I would regularly follow him to his room.
Over a period of several years where we basically learned chess.
And one day I was able to play my dad and beat him.
My dad's like, when do you learn chess?
I'm like, well, it's from Mr.
Kaushal downstairs. And it just occurred to me as I was describing this innocent anecdote that...
This is not something I probably would want to do today.
This is something that parents would probably warn you against.
And it's a little sad, isn't it, that our culture has become so twisted that these kinds of once normal human interactions have now been put into the forbidden category.
Yeah, so parents, in today's day and age, parents have to be extra vigilant because I think that this agenda is coming from all sides.
It's coming from everywhere. It's in your kid's school.
It's in their hospital. There's mental health counselors.
It could be even a relative, like a trusted aunt or a cousin, an older relative.
So it's really, it just feels like they're attacking children from every single adult.
So I think parents have to really be extra vigilant, be very aware of what's going on with their kids.
And that's what my book actually talks about.
Because the first step of a predator is to cut out the parent and isolate the child so that they could prey on the child.
So, my bud basically teaches kids, like, if there's a trusted adult who said, oh, don't tell your parents this, it will just be between us, it will just be a secret, the kids should know that that's a massive red flag, and that that person might be a predator, and they should have the confidence to go to their parents right away, and hopefully not fall into that trap.
So it is really scary that we even need such a book right now.
I feel like it's a relatively new issue over the last few years.
It's become really intense.
But I'm hopeful that I can actually help a lot of families, and I think I will.
Wow. The book is called No More Secrets, The Candy Cavern.
The author is Kaya Reitchik.
You can follow her on Twitter at Libs of TikTok.
Kaya, thanks so much for joining me.
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I'm not sure who the most prominent trans personality is in the United States.
I suppose it would be this character Dylan Mulvaney who keeps showing up in ads and commercials for We're good to go.
Whether this will save Bud Light, I don't know, or whether it's a little too late.
But again, I look at social media today and I see there's Dylan Mulvaney putting on makeup all over his face and he's the Maybelline girl!
So he's become the poster woman, so to speak, for makeup.
And I'm thinking to myself, is it really all that easy to become a woman?
My mind flashed back to a very interesting book that was published now a couple of decades ago.
It was written by a woman who's still teaching at Georgetown.
She is a prominent cognitive psychologist and linguist.
Her name is Deborah Tannen, and her book written years ago was called You Just Don't Understand Men and Women in Conversation.
Now, Deborah Tannen goes on to argue that there is a kind of different psychology between men and women.
By the way, there was a later book along the same lines, men are from Mars, women are from Venus.
The idea being not that men and women live on different planets, but they have a different inner wiring that And Deborah Tannen went on to use conversation as a kind of demonstration or exhibition of how differently men and women think.
Her point was that when men and women have arguments, and this is, by the way, kind of useful knowledge for spouses or boyfriends and girlfriends, she goes, men very often say, you just don't understand.
Whereas women say something a little different, you just don't care.
And in the difference between you just don't understand, you just don't care, says Deborah Tannen, there is a whole world of difference.
For men, when your wife comes to you and says, oh, I'm having difficulty, I've had a bad day, the man goes, what's the problem?
Tell me about it, I've got a solution.
In other words, the man tries to solve the problem as an intellectual problem.
He views conversation as a form of getting information or reporting.
Report to me what the problem is.
Let me see if I can tackle it or if I can help to solve it.
The woman, says Debra Tannen, is often not looking for a quote solution.
She's had a bad day. She's looking for concern and she's looking for sympathy.
She's looking for understanding.
Tell me about it. So for a woman, says Debra Tannen, conversation is relational.
It's aimed at building understanding.
It's aimed at building community and It's building networks, not just with spouses, but also with friends.
That's the point of having a conversation.
Whereas for men, conversation is informational.
It is aimed at addressing problems in the world.
It's like, I need conversation so you can tell me what's wrong so I can try to figure out how to fix it.
And this is really why Deborah Tannen says men and women are sometimes in their arguments, and she attributes a good deal, one factor, leading to breakdowns of communication, even divorces, due to the fact that men don't know that they live on Mars, and they don't know that women live on Venus.
In other words, that they don't engage the other person's way of engaging in conversation.
So now, the question is whether these differences between men and women are sort of hardwired, whether they are genetic, whether they are biological, or whether they are cultural.
But Debra Tannen basically makes the point, I think a very sophisticated point, that those two cannot be separated.
It's not as if something is one or the other.
Very often culture or socialization follows biology.
My daughter is very young.
I haven't told her anything about music.
She's walking in an auditorium.
She hears the violin.
She goes, oh, what's that?
She's interested. She wants to stay and listen.
I realize that she has a natural affinity for music.
I then give her music lessons so her musical talent improves.
So is her musical ability natural or biological?
Is it cultural? Well, it's both.
And culture here is taking its cues or following the lead provided by nature.
So And Deborah Tannen goes, whether it's cultural, whether it's biological, it's obviously some combination of the two.
Men and women are different.
And so I was thinking about that and thinking to myself, all right, if men and women are different in that way, not different species, of course, but at least different types of human being— Then what sense does it make to say, all right, now, Dinesh, I'm going to, like, trim my eyebrows.
I'm going to grow my hair out.
I'm going to put on some makeup.
I'm going to put on a dress.
I'm going to jump around or do some dance steps and declare that I'm a woman.
My point is, it's not so easy.
And I think Debra Tannen knows it's not so easy.
And so I end on a little bit of what I think is an unfortunate footnote.
I haven't heard a word from Deborah Tannen recently about this subject.
This is an example that seems to me quite clear where she's decided, listen, although I know better, I'm not going to say anything about this.
I've got a very prosperous career at Georgetown.
I don't want to risk it.
I don't want to speak out.
So it's very unfortunate because you've got powerful ideas developed by sophisticated scholars that would help advance this debate.
And yet the scholars, I think largely out of caution and out of fear, say not a word about their subject.
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Feel the difference. Guys, I'm really happy to welcome to the podcast, Leigh Wamskans.
She's the Chief Communications Officer of Patriot Mobile and also the Executive Director of Patriot Mobile Action.
She co-created and still manages the Southlake Families Pack, which has been involved in CRT and also mobilized a bunch of school board victories for conservatives in Texas school districts.
Leah, I wanted to have you on the podcast to talk about a concept I've alluded to, but not really developed.
And it's this concept of developing for conservatives and Republicans a parallel economy in which we subsidize products and buy things that are produced kind of on our side of the aisle.
And we don't pump money into bankrolling the other side.
Now, this is not something we've Thought about for in previous decades.
My question is, why is this concept relevant now?
Well, I will tell you, Dinesh, and it's such an honor to be here with you.
I'm such a fan. We haven't thought about it on the right side, but I will tell you the left has thought about it.
And they've been doing this for a very long time.
And they've been using proceeds from leftist organizations to fund the left machine.
And we're just now catching up.
You know, my company, Patriot Mobile, Was originally created as a response to a leftist mobile phone company taking over a bunch of Tea Party races and winning them back in 2012.
Let's talk about this...
Well, let's start by talking about people's psychology because we're so used to.
People go to Disney, they shop at Target, they buy things here, they buy things there.
In fact, they often save money for much of their lifetime to send their kids to expensive elite private schools.
And then they realize to their dismay that those schools are inculcating values that subvert what they've been trying to inculcate in their children.
So there's a kind of a, people say to themselves, well, how do I kind of disengage?
Do I have to sort of follow things?
And in other words, talk a little bit about how someone can go about the business of participating in this parallel economy.
Well, first of all, you have to know who you are and what you believe in, and you have to state those boldly.
You know, we put Christian Conservative Company right there on the front on our website.
We have developed four pillars that we support, the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, the sanctity of life, and we support our military first responders.
And how we go about that is we're upfront about that.
And we tell people, you know, the leftists down on Main Street is not going to want to use Patriot Mobile.
But the conservative Christian people who don't want to be giving their money away to organizations that are literally fighting against everything that they stand for.
Volunteers give hundreds of hours every campaign cycle.
You and I know, even without the campaigns, volunteers support our pro-life organizations.
They serve in the crisis pregnancy centers.
They serve in the churches.
Churches are taking in unwed mothers who are in crisis pregnancies, giving them a home, giving them medical care.
So why would you, when you're doing so much, For the things you believe in, give money to the organizations that want to fight you on every corner.
And we're starting to wake up and conservatives are starting to move over and realize that every little thing in their life, they need to be considering where that money is going.
You know, probably one of the things almost all Americans have is a cell phone.
And I talk a lot about the Second Amendment, but I talk to people about another weapon that you have in fighting for your freedom, and that is your cell phone dollars.
Almost everyone in America has a cell phone bill.
And so where do you want those dollars to go?
And same thing, you know, John Rich is developing a conservative bank.
You know, we're coming on the heels of the Hobby Lobbies of the world, and it's time to It is time.
The left has gotten so far extreme if the right doesn't stand up in our economy and create everything, every service that you could possibly imagine.
You know, there are conservative banks.
They're usually the smaller neighborhood banks.
We need to really be thoughtful and intentional.
What I'm here to tell you is the cell phone service you have, you can choose what it funds.
And if you want to fund your enemies that want to take away your freedoms, your right to protect yourself, that wants to give millions of dollars to the Black Lives Matter movement, then stay with Big Mobile.
But if you want your cell phone bill to actually have a portion go to those things you believe in, you need to move over to us.
And you need to think about that in every portion of your life.
Even the grocery store, there are farmers that will sell you cuts of meat.
There are markets where you can get your vegetables.
Every facet of life, we need to start thinking about that.
I mean, one thing I like about this company, about Patriot Mobile, by the way, the website is just patriotmobile.com slash Dinesh to get the promo code and the discount.
But one thing I like about the company is you're not giving anything up.
I mean, if you tell someone don't go to Disney, they're like, well, I don't have another Disney.
But with Patriot Mobile, what you're saying is you can use the services and the networks of the big three.
You're giving up nothing, but you're gaining the fact that your dollars are helping to support what you believe in.
Isn't that true? That's true.
And in the mobile service provider world, we have this thing called aggregates.
And it's basically a middleman.
So we basically buy, for lack of a better word, wholesale and resell the product, which is cellular phone service.
We're on all the same towers nationwide.
It's the exact same coverage.
The difference is that profit margin that's used to give To the woke companies, our profit margin is used for conservative causes.
I'm going to give you a few examples. We just finished the NRA convention.
We give to Susan B. Anthony Project.
We also, they've changed their name now to Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life.
You know, Embrace Grace.
We go and build boxes for new mothers and we give to them Thank you.
First Liberty is an amazing organization that has done tremendous things in our country to preserve our God-given rights and freedoms. And we need to, on both the political level as well as a nonprofit level, be supporting organizations and companies that support the good things that made America the foundational Christian conservative values of our country.
I couldn't agree more.
And Lee Wamskans, thank you so much for joining me on the podcast.
Thank you, Dinesh. It's an honor to be with you.
Thank you. Thank you. I'm continuing my discussion of Christian apologetics.
We're in chapter 18 of What's So Great About Christianity.
This chapter is subtitled The Exaggerated Crimes of Religion.
And what I'm investigating is, is it not a fact?
I'll argue that it is a fact.
That the crimes of atheism far exceed by many, many orders of magnitude the so-called crimes of religion, which do exist but are minuscule by comparison.
Now, the way to see this is to focus in on some of these alleged crimes and look to see really how bad they are.
And I'm going to begin with the Crusades.
Which, you know, you might expect the Crusades to be denounced in Islamic propaganda, but the Crusades are most vehemently denounced today in the West, from the political left and from the secular left.
Here's James Carroll.
He talks about the Crusades as, quote, a set of world historical crimes whose, quote, trail of violence scars the earth and human memory even to this day.
And so, for many people, when you say the horrors of religion, the first thing that jumps to mind, the Crusades.
Now, the Crusades, of course, were fought between the Christians and the Muslims, and yet, interestingly enough, we don't hear a lot about the horrors perpetrated on the Muslim side, but we hear about the Christian evils in the Crusades.
And let's think about how these evils came about.
Before the rise of Islam...
Virtually all of what we call the Middle East.
I'm thinking here about places like, well, of course, Israel, but also Jordan and Syria, all Egypt, Iraq.
All of these places were Christian.
They were predominantly Christian.
The sacred places of Christianity where Christ was born and lived and died are in that region.
But inspired by the sort of Mohammedan Islamic call to jihad, Mohammed's armies conquer Jerusalem.
They conquer the entire Middle East.
They push south into Africa.
They push east into Asia.
They push north into Europe.
They conquer parts of Italy, virtually all of Spain.
They overran the Balkans.
And they're preparing for a kind of final incursion.
That would bring all of Europe, then known as Christendom, into Islamic subjugation.
And so serious was this threat that Edward Gibbon, the historian, said that if the West had not fought back, and the way of fighting back, as we'll see, is called the Crusades, he says, quote,"...perhaps the Quran would now be taught in the schools of Oxford, and her pulpits might demonstrate to the circumcised people the sanctity and truth of the revelation of Muhammad." In other words, a full Islamic takeover of the West.
But more than 200 years after the Islamic armies conquered the Middle East and forced their way into Europe, finally, you can almost say belatedly, the Christians began to fight back.
The First Crusade was summoned by the Pope, I believe in 1099, right around that time.
And so Christian knights in places like France began to then mobilize to retake the Holy Land, retake particularly Jerusalem.
and this is what we call the Crusades. Now there was a first crusade, a second crusade, a third crusade, some say even a fourth crusade, so there were a sequence of Crusades. But, and the term crusade by the way, and the Crusaders, is not a not a contemporary term. In other words, the Crusaders didn't call themselves It's a later term that historians have coined, and so it's superimposed, kind of like the Middle Ages.
People who lived in the Middle Ages didn't know they lived in the Middle Ages.
It's only later that the term was projected back onto the period between about 500 and 1500 A.D., The Crusaders were by and large a fairly, they were an idealistic bunch.
They weren't provided with any kind of munitions or support.
Most of these Christian knights used their own pack animals.
They used their own... In fact, their own employees became part of their army, their mini army, and some 40,000 Christian knights set out from Europe to recapture the Holy Land, and they did.
Now, they weren't able to hold it.
Jerusalem fell to the Crusaders in 1099, and eventually Saladin died.
Salah Udin, I guess the Muslim name, reconquers Jerusalem almost 100 years later in 1187.
The Crusades were kind of a mixed success.
They had some benefits.
In fact, recently when Debbie and I were in Israel, you can still see Crusader castles, the walls and embankments and forts that were built and left behind by the Crusades.
Ultimately, the Crusades was a war.
It was a battle. It produced casualties on both sides.
By and large, the fighting was not with civilians.
It was armies against armies.
So it was nothing more than one chapter in the long history of warfare.
I wouldn't say a particularly glamorous one, but not a particularly evil one either.
It wasn't a world historical crime of any sort, this James Carroll to the contrary.
The Christians fought to defend themselves and their civilization from foreign conquest, and the Muslims fought to continue conquering Muslim lands.
When we convene again tomorrow, I'll pick up with the next historical or alleged historical crime, the Inquisition.
But I think we can begin by agreeing that the Crusades was, from the point of view of world historical horrors, not really one of them at all.
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