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WHAT ABOUT HERSCHEL? Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep428

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	Coming up, Herschel Walker.
	I'm going to do an in-depth analysis of the controversial claims about him, including those from his son, Christian.
	And lay out the implications.
	I want to make the case that despite Walker's human failings, Georgia should unhesitatingly elect him to the Senate.
	Charlie Kirk joins me. We're going to talk about a new documentary he has on the southern border.
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	The times are crazy, and a time of confusion, division, and lies.
	We need a brave voice of reason, understanding, and truth.
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	I want to talk today, at some length, about the left's hit on Herschel Walker.
	Herschel Walker, the Republican Senate candidate in Georgia, a black man, a famous athlete, someone that the left has been gunning for.
	And they want to secure Georgia for the left, and they want their own candidate, Raphael Warnock.
	By the way, far left.
	This guy could almost be described as a communist.
	And he, by a weird turn of events, got elected in the runoffs in Georgia in early 2021.
	And many Republicans were like, well, it's only going to be two years.
	We'll knock him out for sure.
	This is a red state.
	But here we have this bitterly fought race between Herschel Walker and Warnock.
	And so a big article coming out from the left.
	This was, I believe, in the Daily Beast.
	I have the article here.
	Essentially arguing that Herschel, not arguing, attempting to document Herschel Walker paid for girlfriend's abortion.
	This occurred evidently 2009, so 13 years ago.
	But nevertheless, they claim to, we have receipts, we have documents, we even have a get-well card sent by Herschel Walker that has his kind of trademark signature with a kind of distinctive H sign.
	Now, the woman, the article confesses, is a Democrat.
	She's a leftist.
	She doesn't like Herschel Walker, nor does she like what he stands for.
	She's angry that he's anti-abortion, and she wants to see him defeated.
	So this is a... Think of it.
	This is echoes of Anita Hill making a hit on Clarence Thomas under somewhat similar circumstances, making allegations, supposedly producing evidence, although the evidence itself is only as good as what you're willing to believe because this kind of evidence is extremely easy to cook up.
	And very often conservatives just jump to go, this is very damaging.
	But Horstall Walker is vehemently denied We're good to go.
	As a famous athlete, he gets a lot of requests.
	So anyway, this is really what, and the story would have been what it is.
	Take it or believe it, if you will.
	I don't think most Republicans would give it, pay it much heed.
	The left, of course, would try to use it as a weapon against Herschel Walker.
	But then, right in the middle of this comes young Christian Walker, age 23, and he begins by putting out a couple of Very hard-hitting tweets against his dad.
	He's clearly no fan of his dad.
	And basically says that his dad abandoned his family, told a lot of lies.
	He went on to say that his dad had four children with four different women.
	But then he followed up, Christian Walker did, with two videos.
	That hammer the same points home and drive essentially the message, enough lies, enough lies.
	So I think what seems to have put Christian Walker over the top was the fact that Herschel Walker emphatically denied having anything to do with this.
	I think Christian Walker has felt, and he says this, so I'm not putting thoughts in his head, humiliated by this kind of a degrading scandal.
	And this is really what the left is into.
	Degradation is the name of their game.
	I remember from the Clarence Thomas case, Clarence Thomas saying That they degraded him so much that he was literally on the floor crying because he felt that he was quite apart from him.
	Do I belong on the court?
	Clarence Thomas was, I don't even care.
	It's not about the court.
	It's about the dignity of a black man who's being accused of the same kind of sexual stereotypes that are used against black men, by the way, for decades, if not centuries, and used by the Democrats, by the same party that used them against Clarence Thomas is now using them against Herschel Walker.
	It's important to realize that this is a party that protects its own guys, including its own black guys.
	Speaking of Raphael Warnock, Raphael Warnock was in a domestic scandal in 2020.
	I remember his wife was on television and she was talking about the fact that he was an abuser.
	He was a liar.
	She called him a very good actor.
	She, in court, accused him of neglecting his children.
	So all of this has been said about Raphael Warnock.
	But, in fact, when I put it on social media, people were really surprised.
	Where did you get this? Where did you hear this?
	It was all over the place.
	It's out there. It's not being resurrected by the media for obvious reasons.
	They're protecting Raphael Warnock, and they're going after Herschel Walker.
	So this is a very familiar playbook on the left, and the only question is, will we, will our side, fall for it?
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	Should they vote for Herschel Walker?
	Should they somehow say, oh no, we're not going to vote for Herschel Walker.
	We're just going to sit this one out, which is kind of what the left wants.
	They kind of know that conservatives aren't going to vote for Raphael Warnock.
	And I was making the point in the last segment that this kind of abortion documentation is easily faked.
	Remember, this is being done by a media that has absolutely no commitment to integrity or honesty.
	You can't trust one thing that these people say.
	And I'm not just talking about the Daily Beast.
	You can't trust one thing NPR says or the New York Times says.
	These are the same people who cook up dossiers, make false allegations.
	They have multiple allegations against Trump.
	On and on it goes, one lie on top of another.
	And so this should be seen as the latest in a train of likely falsehoods and cooked up lies.
	And they don't hesitate to perpetrate these lies.
	Now, so the question is, are we stupid enough just to go on face value?
	Oh yeah, well this obviously happened.
	You have to be born yesterday to fall for that kind of nonsense.
	Now, let's turn to Christian Walker, a guy that is a good guy, and a guy who is actually a victim.
	He suffered, and he suffered, and he even says this in one of his videos, he suffered because he was raised fatherless.
	Now, he's not the only person to be raised fatherless.
	Fatherlessness is a huge problem in the country.
	It is an even bigger problem in the black community, where it is, I'm sorry to say, an epidemic.
	It's basically the norm in black America.
	So, this is heartbreaking, of course.
	And Christian Walker is right to be disappointed and even angry about it.
	Now, Here's the point.
	Christian Walker was born in 1999.
	His father divorced his mother in 2002.
	Christian Walker was three years old.
	So he doesn't know firsthand from memory what his dad is really like.
	Mostly I'm assuming he's learned it from his mom.
	So he's reflecting his mom's perspective.
	He even says in the video, my mom and dad had a bitter divorce.
	And so you're getting an account of a man who's coming from somebody who can be assumed to be very hostile, giving one side of the story, telling at best the partial truth.
	And so this is not something that you can take as an accurate representation of Herschel Walker's character or life.
	Now, Herschel Walker was an athlete.
	The part about having four children with four different women, undeniable.
	I'm assuming that this is something that can't really be contested.
	And so we have to say, and Christian Walker calls for authenticity, like, let's be honest here.
	Let's speak up. And I think we have to be honest and recognize there is a terrible culture of promiscuity.
	Well, there's a problem in the country generally, but there's a terrible problem particularly among athletes, among Hollywood types, among rock bands.
	It is an open secret that this goes on.
	I remember going back now, I guess when Kobe Bryant bought this huge ring for his wife as a kind of atonement for his sexual escapades.
	There was a very interesting depiction on one of the TV shows where they talked about these basketball wives and how it's kind of an open secret among them that their husbands are all cheating on them.
	I mean, this is just disgraceful, but it does happen.
	I also am not sure it's fair to say that it reflects Herschel Walker now.
	We're talking about events that happened a decade or more ago, and it is possible that Herschel Walker could say, A, I never paid for this abortion, or B, you know what?
	If I did it, it represented an earlier phase of my life that I'm going to leave behind.
	By the way, in some ways, when you were dealing with mistakes of our past, I'm sure many people, Trump included, would say, yeah, I lived a different kind of life when I was younger.
	I've come to my senses.
	I'm wiser now.
	And so it's not necessarily hypocritical of Herschel Walker to have done some bad stuff before, let's just say 2009, and be a changed man.
	A redeemed man, a better man today.
	So I'm trying to put all of this in context in order to say that we need to be very wary before we fall for the left standard play.
	And the left standard play is that we don't care about morality, but we know you do.
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	The way in which they have pushed this idea through the Daily Beast.
	He paid for a girl's abortion or a girlfriend's abortion in 2009, 13 years ago.
	And then, look, his own son says that he was a bad guy and that he was abusive and that he had all these children with different women.
	Well, the left is running, let's call it, the Access Hollywood playbook.
	What's the Access Hollywood playbook?
	The Access Hollywood playbook is that the left realizes that the right holds itself to a high moral standard.
	And the left's point is, this is wonderful because we can get them every time one of their own guys falls short of that standard.
	We accuse this person of hypocrisy.
	Now, first of all, the charge of hypocrisy is...
	False. When all you're saying about someone is that they fell short of their own standards.
	Let's say, for example, I have a moral standard, and that moral standard is, I will never tell a lie.
	And then it turns out that in some circumstance, I tell a lie.
	Am I a hypocrite?
	No. I'm not a hypocrite.
	I'm merely falling short of my own moral standard.
	Hypocrisy is something different.
	Hypocrisy is when you don't believe in the standard at all, and your posture of believing in the standard is a fake.
	Think of the Pharisees. The Pharisees posed as very pious men, but they weren't.
	They didn't actually care about piety.
	The piety itself was opposed.
	It's not like the Pharisees said, we genuinely want to be holy men and we're falling short.
	If that was the case, they wouldn't be hypocrite.
	They wouldn't be Pharisaical, to use the phrase today.
	With regard to Herschel Walker, we have to remember that Herschel Walker is not running for Father of the Month.
	He's running for the U.S. Senate.
	And it turns out that he is the man standing in the way of a virtual communist, Raphael Warnock, getting another six years.
	This is about Georgia, but it's not just about Georgia.
	It is about whether we want a red state like Georgia to put a virtual, a far leftist, Into the White House to represent that state.
	Think of what a scandal that would be.
	And above and beyond that, the Senate is hanging delicately in the balance.
	If Biden got one or two more senators, he would have secure control of the Senate.
	And think of what that means for Supreme Court justices, for legislation.
	So in the name of riding our moral high horse, are we willing to sell out not just Georgia, but sell out the country?
	This is downright insanity.
	In the case of the Hollywood Access tape, what Trump basically did, he blew it off.
	He basically went...
	And you could almost argue that Trump followed an ingenious strategy of lowering the moral bar and then jumping over it.
	And he refused to make it a big deal.
	He refused to cower.
	He refused to do what Republicans normally do—run away, go into hiding, refuse to return calls of the media, act like they've done something wrong, have crisis meetings to figure out what to do, disavow fellow Republicans.
	Trump's point was, okay— Maybe I did.
	Maybe I didn't. This is what I meant to do.
	And then I'm moving on.
	Big deal. Make of it what you will.
	And that's my approach here.
	We are electing someone for the U.S. Senate.
	What we want Herschel Walker to do is basically two things.
	Show up. And second, vote right.
	And if he does those two things, he will be doing what we're electing him in the Senate to do.
	Think of it. A senator is not a governor.
	Senators don't actually run anything.
	The thing that senators do, same as congressmen, by the way, is they show up and vote.
	And think about the votes of Herschel Walker on the one hand versus the votes of Raphael Warnock.
	That's really what this is all about.
	The left is running one of their standard plays.
	Think about it. They time this.
	They drop this sort of bombshell, you know, 30 days before the election.
	It could all be proven to be a fake later, in which case they'll all chuckle about it and go, hey, listen to work, didn't it?
	That was basically what Harry Reid said when confronted with lies about Mitt Romney.
	It worked, didn't it? So this is what they do.
	We've got to be smarter than that.
	We have to avoid doing what we normally do, which is falling for their scam.
	And so I endorse Herschel Walker for the Senate for Georgia.
	I think that Georgians need to recognize that this is a fast one the left is trying to pull on them.
	Christian Walker, poor guy, a good guy, is caught in the middle of this.
	But we should not be fooled and recognize that they're trying to do this to us.
	We won't let them.
	We're probably, almost certainly gonna have control of the House.
	It would be really nice at the same time to also have the Senate.
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	Or go to balanceofnature.com and use discount code AMERICA. Guys, I'm really delighted to welcome to the podcast, actually for the first time, my friend Charlie Kirk, also Salem radio host and podcaster, and of course the founder and CEO of Turning Point USA. Charlie is...
	I've produced a remarkable documentary that's about the border.
	It's called Border Battle.
	And I haven't seen the documentary, but I've seen the trailer.
	But I want to welcome Charlie Kirk on the podcast to talk about it.
	Charlie, you're always expanding your portfolio, forging into new territory, launching all kinds of new projects.
	What got you interested in this topic of getting to the border and revealing what's really going on?
	Yeah, I mean, I live in Arizona, and Turning Point USA is headquartered in Arizona, and we see firsthand what's happening on the border.
	We hear the stories, we see the carnage, we see the drugs.
	And I've been down to Nahalis, I've been down to Yuma multiple times, and I'm always just kind of so disappointed at how the media portrays what's happening on the border versus what's actually happening.
	And even right wing media gets it mostly right.
	But there's a deeper story at play of how the cartel is running this like a business, about how human beings are actually the ones that are being smuggled more than drugs.
	And all these different kind of layers to the story.
	And so I asked our team at Turning Point USA, like, hey, does this make sense for us to do?
	And because we had all the connections through the wonderful Sheriff Mark Lamb and Border Patrol.
	And so we raised some money to do this from a couple donors.
	And we embedded ourselves for nine months in Border Patrol and local sheriffs.
	And we have firsthand footage that will blow you away telling the whole story of what's really happening in the border.
	And so we decided, do we want to do a movie or do we want to do a series?
	Because, I mean, you're the movie master in the conservative space.
	We felt it would be better to kind of do a docu-series because it's so information rich.
	There's such a story to tell.
	And I think, actually, the American people have the patience to sit through a couple episodes right now and learn about how the cartels came to power, to learn about how they actually run these super highways on the southern border, sometimes in collusion with local sheriffs, local DAs, or kind of a tacit, I won't look while you come across type thing.
	You know, we talk about the increase in Yuma, for example, where it used to be about a couple hundred people a day would cross the Yuma sector.
	Now it's 2000 people a day.
	2000. And across the entire southern border, it's anywhere between 5,000 to 7,000 people a day that are coming into our country.
	So there's a lot of confusion about this.
	We try to clarify that and also motivate people to do something about it.
	So it's Border Battle. People can find it at SalemNow.com.
	I think it's a terrific piece.
	We spend a lot of time and energy on it.
	And living in a border state, our argument is every single state in America has become a border state.
	I mean, it's remarkable. It seems that the media was the only time they discovered the illegals was when they showed up in Martha's Vineyard or they showed up in New York.
	And then they were like, oh, wow, we can't believe that these people are showing up in our community.
	And yet, Texas and Florida and Arizona, these border states have been taking large numbers of these illegals.
	Now, my question is this.
	What is the role of the Biden administration here?
	They have to know.
	I'm not saying that they do Zoom calls with the cartels, but they have to know that this is a kind of a two-way operation in which the cartels deliver the human bodies to the border, and then the Biden administration lets them in.
	Yeah, I mean, when I went down to Yuma, what was one of the most depressing things that I learned was how the Border Patrol said they're not allowed to do their job.
	And they walked through basically how they've become a paperwork processing center for Amnesty International.
	And this stuns people.
	It's that no longer do the illegals not want to get caught.
	Now, the ones that don't want to get caught, that means they're carrying something or they have a background and they're really bad.
	There's hundreds of thousands of those people.
	But the vast majority, the millions, We're good to go.
	They sometimes get money for food.
	They get flown into the interior of the United States to go do whatever they want to do, and then they get some paper in a language they don't understand, English, of some court date in a year and a half or two years, like they're going to show up for that court date.
	So there's 5 million, 6 million people in the last year and a half that have court dates, and a vast majority of them are never going to show up for their court date for an asylum hearing.
	So they're here. And then not to mention they have children and anchor babies that then, of course, give their children citizenship.
	And next thing you know, the process continues forward.
	So, yes, I mean, what's so shocking, and this is something, you know, I had a conversation with somebody the other day that is more of a political moderate, but I think an honest person and wants to find the truth.
	They said, Charlie, I just find it really hard to believe that our leaders want this to happen on the border.
	I said, oh, no, they do. Our leaders are intentionally allowing the invasion of our country.
	They want our sovereignty destroyed.
	They want the human beings to come into the country, I think, for political reasons.
	And they've admitted that. And whenever you say that, they say that's the great replacement.
	That's nonsense. Just listen to the Castro brothers.
	Listen to all these Democrat leaders that have said this for the last couple of years about how open borders favors their political aims and objectives.
	And so, look, what you'll learn about in border battle is two things.
	How bad the problem is.
	But how fixable it is.
	And that's what's so frustrating about it.
	This is not quantum physics, right?
	This is not trying to split the atom.
	It's very simple. You build a wall.
	You hire agents, more agents.
	You give them the ability with arrest authority.
	You reinstate remain in Mexico.
	You get harsher on the Mexican government, even threatening tariffs like Donald Trump did, and say, if you're not actually going to enforce your side of the border, then you're going to have a penalty.
	The Mexican government has just basically put their hands up and said, well, if you guys don't want to do anything, then we won't do anything.
	I mean, I even read somewhere that the Mexican government is providing a sort of a transit visa.
	So if people show up at the Mexican border on the other side, the Mexicans go, hey, listen, we'll give you safe passage over to the U.S. border.
	But they don't allow them to stay in Mexico.
	That's the point. Mexico actually protects its own border against citizens coming from other countries into Mexico.
	Yeah, that's right. This could be fixed in one afternoon.
	Donald Trump saw this scam and he called up Honduras and Nicaragua, Guatemala and Mexico and used the strength of America and said, you're all going to get tariffs.
	You're not going to get – every time you call me and ask me for something from a natural disaster, you're not going to get it.
	And we saw border crossings go down.
	Huge, Dinesh. Now, was it totally fixed?
	No, but we were talking about in Trump's last year, and I'm just kind of, you know, going off the top of my head, I think it was 400, 500,000 people that came across the border, and then a lot of them were then deported after, you know, because of Remain in Mexico.
	We're talking about 2.5 to 3 million a year.
	And these are just guesstimates, by the way, Dinesh.
	When you go down there, we have pictures of swarms of people.
	We're talking 2,000 people in one night that come across one sector.
	How are you supposed to process that?
	And there's another part of the film that people will see, and they'll be able to see it at SalemNow.com, of what's called the dump zone.
	So there's an area where all the, they call them migrants, I call them border jumpers and line cutters, they'll come and they'll dump their IDs and dump their ability to trace who they are.
	And so there's this massive garbage pile that I go through and our documentarians and our team goes through.
	And what we see is IDs from Iran, IDs from Afghanistan, IDs from Azerbaijan, IDs from Syria, IDs from Russia.
	So as soon as they drop their ID and they go around the corner because there's a barrier there, right?
	But it's kind of a joke, to be honest.
	They go around the barrier.
	As soon as they claim asylum, you can't even go back to get the ID to correlate them and you don't know who they are.
	And so, like, let's just use some, like, rational thinking.
	By the way, we know that legit terrorists are crossing the southern border.
	DHS report has said that.
	You have people from all these Arab countries in the Middle East that are surrendering their IDs.
	Why? Maybe because through a background check or at least one, you know, interpolation.
	Check through some sort of either European or Asian database.
	They might have committed crimes in that native country.
	They might be rapists or criminals or murderers.
	So it's really bad, Dinesh.
	And that alone, when I tell people, they can't believe it.
	There are thousands of these IDs just dropped.
	And that's just one sector in Yuma.
	So what they do, and I think it's funded either...
	I know it's funded by NGOs.
	I don't know how deep that is.
	We try to prove it in the film, but we would need subpoena power to figure some of this out.
	They fly to Mexico City.
	Through whatever international way.
	And then they take a bus to Mexicali.
	And then they go to Yuma and they just cross the border.
	It's all mapped out for them.
	And so the cartel, it's a business.
	They charge them like $1,500 a head.
	And you will see in the film, across the border, one car every 100 yards of cartel people with binoculars directing foreigners to go into the country as if they're air traffic control at O'Hare Airport in Chicago.
	Unbelievable. Let's take a pause.
	We'll be right back with Charlie Kirk.
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	I'm back with Charlie Kirk.
	We're talking about this new documentary called Border Battle.
	It's available, by the way, at SalemNow, SalemNow.com.
	Charlie, we had Mayra Flores on the podcast, and she was talking about a phrase I actually hadn't heard before, rape trees.
	And it kind of took me aback, and I see it again in your trailer, rape trees.
	Tell us what rape trees are, because I think that symbolizes the horrific nature of what's going on.
	It also symbolizes the fact that even the people coming across are being exploited.
	Yeah. Correct.
	And the left doesn't care at all.
	So a rape tree is a tree or a location that usually is hidden in between hills or it's a little bit off to the side on the Mexican side of the border, usually a couple hundred yards from the United States border, where young girls are taken by cartel members and raped and taken for sexual gain before they're released into the interior of the United States.
	And so they're tied up to the tree, and this is where this brutal act happens.
	And so because of that, the more, let's just say, savvy coyotes, or the ones that are trusted, I put in air quotes, will give birth control to young ladies of 10 years old or higher that make the trek into the interior of the United States.
	You are expected, if you are a young woman trying to come into the United States, that you will be raped before you come into the United States.
	If you're not, you're considered to be—it's very lucky and you're very fortunate.
	But there's an actual physical location where this happens where we go and film it.
	The other point is that the rapists appear to be taking a certain gloating delight in what they've done.
	They take the panties of these little girls and literally hang them up on the tree, producing a kind of ornamental tree, almost a gruesome testament to what they've just done.
	Yes, that's right. And so it's their kind of, that's a really good way to put it, ornamental type of celebration of this.
	And so look, the left, they always try to take the moral high ground.
	I have always said we should never allow the left to do that.
	What is happening on the southern border is a human rights crisis.
	They don't care. At all.
	In fact, they're celebrating it.
	They're subsidizing it. They're allowing it to happen.
	And it's a tragedy at every single level.
	And I mean, not only is it a tragedy of that specific particular incident, but also rapists then come into the interior of the United States to go do this against Americans as well.
	I mean, we have a fentanyl crisis in the country.
	We also have a crime surge that's occurring in many places, by the way, not just cities, but also in rural areas.
	I think part of what the film is showing is that these two crises are aggressively driven and exacerbated by what is going on at the border.
	The border is almost the kind of feeding source of these crises.
	Now, my question is this, if that's true— Think of the horrific betrayal by the Biden administration of its own people, of the American people.
	Don't you think that this is something that the Republicans, if they get the House and the Senate, should maybe even begin impeachment hearings over?
	Take this matter with the gravity it deserves.
	Yeah, and I would ignore Biden.
	I mean, I think Biden is an interchangeable part.
	I think you should impeach Mayorkas.
	I think Mayorkas is a traitor to America.
	He's intentionally allowing the United States to remain open for a multi-million person invasion that makes D-Day look like child's play.
	I have a whole theory about how we should approach impeachment.
	Again, I think that impeaching Joe Biden actually doesn't understand who really has the sovereign power right now in the government.
	I think we have an upside down dictatorship where the middle bureaucracy is actually calling the shots.
	And Joe Biden is just a puppet or a figurehead or a dimension written, you know, helpful tool of the regime.
	And so I think we should impeach Mayorkas and Garland and Becerra and all that like Christopher Wray, all the people kind of in that middle sector.
	You can impeach cabinet officials as long as they're Senate confirmed.
	I think it would be much more popular with the American people.
	It puts a face to kind of a deep state, to the shadow government.
	And in some ways, at least it makes an attempt to depoliticize the impeachment process, where if you go after Biden, they're going to just dig in.
	But if you go after Mayorkas, the facts are pretty amazing, right?
	All of a sudden, you'd have a nonstop television commercial about how this guy right there allowed 5 million people to waltz into the country and did nothing about it.
	And then you'd have testimony after testimony, and I could find them.
	I could go get the witnesses of Border Patrol agents that told me, yeah, we have direct orders from Washington not to apprehend anyone.
	Oh, really? It's a really good idea, Charlie.
	And this documentary is must-see.
	It's called Border Battle.
	It's available on SalemNow.com.
	Charlie, thanks for joining me on the podcast.
	Thanks so much, Dinesh. See you soon, Dinesh.
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	Guys, I told you yesterday about a new film about Johnny Cash and the Cash family.
	It's called Long Road Home.
	It's going to be uploaded to my YouTube channel.
	You can stream it and watch it.
	Or you can subscribe to my channel and you'll get the movie included for free.
	film Jack Vale. Now Jack is well known as a comedian. He is a YouTube personality. He actually has a massive YouTube channel and he's famous for doing hidden cameras and pranks and stunts. But he's also made a great movie. And so welcome Jack Vale. Thanks for coming on the podcast. Is this kind of something that you've been doing for a while, the filmmaking business or did you do a little bit of a career pivot and
	say listen I'm going to do something a little different than what I'm known for and I'm just going to make a really vivid and in some ways heartbreaking but also inspirational film about the Cash family.
	How did this all come about?
	Yeah, thanks, Dinesh.
	So actually, you know, I've loved hidden camera pranks my whole life.
	So I grew up watching Candid Camera and stuff and I love to laugh.
	And so we have a lot of laughter in our house with five kids.
	But it's funny.
	When you start on something like YouTube or whatever, it opens the doors to so many other things.
	One thing that you might do in your life doesn't necessarily define everything about you.
	I've always been a fan of Johnny Cash.
	My family and I moved out to Nashville about four or five years ago.
	I got to know this guy who had conducted a bunch of interviews and met the Cash family.
	He sat me down and he showed me all these things.
	I said, man, this is really incredible.
	The thing that gripped me the most about it was the fact that it was so...
	It was different from any documentary I had ever seen before.
	It was different from anything I had ever learned about The Man in Black.
	It was just so unique and deep and honest and raw and all of that stuff.
	And I thought, this is really, really special.
	So I said, listen, I have some ideas on where would be a good place for this to live.
	And I'd love to get involved and finish the production with you.
	Well, I mean, two things about the film struck me.
	When Debbie and I saw it, we were kind of blown away because we didn't know what to expect.
	It's one of those things where you kind of...
	We watch a lot of movies, but we were really drawn into it, the vividness of it.
	Just to give a small vignette that remained in my mind, they were talking about Johnny Cash's mom, and she'd come into the living room and see all these famous characters.
	I mean, Elvis one day and the other day.
	So the actor, Robert Duvall, is sitting there, and she's like...
	Who is that guy? They're like, well, you know, he's Robert Duvall.
	And all she cares about is why hasn't he put his plate in the sink?
	You know, I think the inclusion of this kind of everyday vivid detail.
	But the film also then takes you into, I mean...
	Kind of a dark place because this was a family that suffered addiction, alcoholism, and it wasn't one of them.
	It wasn't just a Johnny Cash went crazy and did all these things.
	It was the whole family, wasn't it?
	Yeah, it really was. And that's what struck me the most about the film was the fact that it almost like ran in the bloodline.
	You know, it started kind of at the top and then kind of stayed within the family.
	And I guess it's not, you know, I've learned a lot about this project, just digging deeper into it and diving into this that I did not know before.
	Addiction, substance abuse is not something that I've ever personally had to deal with.
	So I don't understand all of it.
	So I've learned a lot. But yeah, it's interesting to me that nephews and kids and all of this, the whole family kind of had their own struggles and even his sister Joanne.
	I mean, it's really something to listen to all of their honesty and their takes on what went on within the family.
	I mean, the great thing is at the end, it is a story of heartbreak, but also of triumph.
	I mean, there's a lot of, and I found it very moving that there's a very soft kind of Christianity, if you will, that runs through the film.
	And that is the using faith as a source of strength, because addiction is so powerful on the one side, it seems like you need something equally powerful on the other side to combat it.
	And the other thing that's in the film that I found very cool was the fact that not only if addiction is in the bloodline, so is the music.
	And so, you know, you'd be talking to this member of the Cash family, suddenly whips out a guitar, starts playing, and you're like, wow, this guy's actually really good.
	What the heck? And so you see that a little bit of Johnny Cash in a number of the relatives.
	Yeah, it's true. Especially, you know, my favorite is probably, I mean, Mark, Johnny's nephew, is just incredible.
	I mean, I love to listen to hear him, you know, I like to listen to him sing and tell stories about his family and stuff.
	It's really, you know, it's a lot of fun.
	Well, in some ways, he's the central character of the film, although there are a number of memorable characters in the film.
	I do want to close up by saying this is a really good film.
	be I'll be putting up on my social media the actual link directly to the film but it's going to be inside my locals channel which is just Dinesh.locals.com if you subscribe to the channel you will get the film for free it goes up I appreciate it.
	We are in book 11.
	Of the Odyssey. Odysseus is in the underworld.
	And who does he see there but Agamemnon.
	Let's remember, Agamemnon was the leader of the Greek expedition.
	So Odysseus was part of that expedition.
	That's why they all went together to Troy.
	And they were victorious, thanks in large part to Odysseus.
	But what Odysseus doesn't know is that Agamemnon is dead.
	How would he know? At the end of the war, they all started making their way back.
	Odysseus has essentially been away at sea.
	Obviously, he has no way to communicate with people back in Ithaca, no one to keep him up to date.
	So here, he's a little surprised to see Agamemnon.
	He's kind of like, how did you die?
	Odysseus wants to know, were you killed at the end of the war as you were retreating from Troy?
	Were you shipwrecked and died that way?
	Did pirates attack you?
	And Agamemnon gives a very vivid account of his own murder.
	He goes, no, I went home.
	And guess what?
	My horrible wife, he calls her the she-dog.
	The she-dog, Clytemnestra, who had taken up with Augustus, another man, and together the two of them plotted Agamemnon's murder.
	It was Augustus who planned my death and murdered me with help from my own wife.
	What a dreadful death.
	And then he goes on to say to Odysseus, If you could see us lying dead beneath the tables, piled with food and wine, the floor swam thick with blood.
	So apparently he was murdered at a banquet.
	I tried to lift my arms from the ground.
	The she-dog turned away.
	She did not even shut my eyes or close my mouth.
	There is no more disgusting act than when a wife betrays a man like that.
	Now... You have to see the reason this is prominent and the reason it's here is think of what's going through Odysseus' mind.
	I have a wife, Penelope.
	I haven't seen her.
	Well, at this point, it turns out, in 13 years.
	It'll be 20 years before Odysseus gets back home, but he still has in his future seven years on Calypso's island.
	So he hasn't seen his wife.
	What's she doing? He knows now from Tiresias that she is besieged and surrounded by suitors.
	Has she taken up with one of the suitors?
	All of this is kind of coursing through Odysseus' mind.
	And just in case he didn't kind of like get the point...
	Agamemnon hammers at home and he says, basically, don't trust your wife.
	Not even Penelope.
	He knows Penelope has a reputation for rectitude, for caution, for trustworthiness, but he essentially says women are treacherous.
	And so, as we'll see, when Odysseus gets back to Ithaca, There is...
	I mean, Odysseus trusts nobody.
	He doesn't trust...
	In some ways, he doesn't even trust his son.
	He doesn't trust his wife.
	He doesn't trust the slaves and workers in his household because he doesn't know if they've kind of gone over to the other side.
	So this is a very striking and memorable passage here.
	And... It closes with Agamemnon referring to his own son, Orestes, who is...
	He asks Odysseus, is my son Orestes dead?
	Now, the significance of this, of course, is that in the story of the Greeks, it is Orestes who will avenge Agamemnon.
	It's Orestes who will kill his mother and also kill Aegisthus.
	And it's a kind of horrible cycle of family murder, if you will.
	Think of it, the wife murders the husband, and then the son shows up and avenges the killing.
	By the way, all of this is brilliantly depicted in Aeschylus' great trilogy called the Oresteia.
	But Agamemnon at this point doesn't know where Orestes is.
	And by the way, neither does Odysseus.
	Odysseus hasn't been home.
	So he goes, Agamemnon, he says, Agamemnon, why ask me this?
	I do not even know whether he is alive or dead.
	And with this, the conversation between Odysseus and Agamemnon closes.
	And then Odysseus sees Ajax.
	Now, you might remember Ajax is the second most prominent fighter of the Greeks.
	But at the end of the Trojan War, the Greeks had a sort of vote in which they decided to give Achilles' armor not to Ajax.
	Despite the fact that Ajax was kind of the number two man on the battlefield, they decided to award the armor to Odysseus.
	Why? Because Odysseus was the man noted for his cleverness, his deceitfulness, and also the fact that he came up with the idea of the Trojan horse.
	That was really the final blow that brought the Trojan war to an end and produced the sack of Troy.
	And so here's Ajax, and in the story of Greek literature, Ajax was so angry and furious that he had been passed over that he committed suicide.
	So here he is, Ajax in the underworld.
	He sees Odysseus, and what does he say to Odysseus?
	Nothing. He sees Odysseus and silently passes by him.
	Just a wonderful scene.
	Homer is using here not action, but inaction, not dialogue, but just silence to convey the full meaning of Ajax's continuing indignation.
	And interestingly, this is a scene that has echoed through Western literature, the scene of two great warriors coming across each other in the underworld, And one silently passing by the other saying not a word.
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