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May 29, 2024 - Doug Collins Podcast
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Can You Trust The Polls?
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Hey everybody, welcome back to the podcast today.
I've got a great friend on the show today, Matt Whitaker.
I'm so glad to have him back on.
He always gives great insight and he's been a friend for a long time and you're going to see much, much more of him as the years progress because he is someone that is trusted by a lot of folks and I think probably even by the, he's going to be the next president, Donald Trump as well when he comes back in for his next term.
And we've got a lot to talk about today.
So I know a lot of you have been emailing.
We've been talking about some other things.
And right now we're getting ready for the summer.
But I wanted to give this one a little bit more emphasis because we've got some trials coming to an end.
We've got some other things coming out there.
And Matt, you know, from his background, a U.S. attorney, also an attorney general and others, gives us that just feel to play on here so that we can talk about it.
So right after the break, we'll be right back.
Dig right in with our buddy, Matt.
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Let's dig in.
Last time we talked was a couple months ago, and we're coming off the primaries.
We're coming off y'all big win in Iowa.
We have the New Hampshire.
I got an interesting one for you here, and it's sort of a timely one, but it's something that just hit me as I was reading through the stuff is this Nikki Haley situation.
And she brings together, in the last week or so, she brought together all of her big donors, which you expect.
I mean, that's what kind of thing you do.
But not a word about the race.
You know, the reports coming out of there were nothing about Trump, nothing about getting behind Trump.
You know, she's getting this little protest vote in a lot of the states right now.
I personally thought she pretty much done herself in by dragging this out as long as she did.
What are you making of this by not...
Sort of acknowledging the obvious at this point.
Well, I mean, she's not running.
It's a, you know, totally a zombie campaign.
And she's getting, I guess, recently in West Virginia, she got 8% of the vote in Indiana, which has an open primary.
So people could just pick a ballot.
You know, clearly there was a Democrat crossover protest vote, but...
You know, you calculate all that.
I think at the end of the day, she's...
I don't know how to say this.
I want to be appropriate, but I think she's looking for the best deal she can cut.
And so she's, you know, understands her deadline is probably the convention, you know, the RNC convention.
So there's all sorts of goodies that are available.
You know, prime time speaking slot is certainly available.
I, you know, Donald Trump knocked this down as soon as it came up, but you know, her as a vice president, as a kind of a, what's the term?
A unity ticket.
Yeah.
You're shaking your head.
I agree that that's probably not in the cards.
And so, I mean, I think, again, I think there are, I don't know, but I'm certain there are conversations going on.
We do need to unify behind Donald Trump as our nominee because we need to win.
The future of the Republic depends on it.
Everyone needs to figure out the real politic of the situation and really find a way to put everybody together.
Yeah, man, I think you're hitting something here.
And I'd love to get your opinion on this because it's really picked up in the last six to eight weeks here.
It sort of deals with what I call the Biden problem.
Now, when it comes to politics, I've always said I'm a realistic optimist, okay?
But when it comes to politics, I leaned...
I am more conservative than my politics.
I'm cynical.
I've watched this process for a long time.
I see things.
I see people do stuff that I don't expect them to do.
And so in this campaign, I look at this as, I mean, it's a dead heat.
We're behind and it's going to be that way till November and we got to win it.
We got to go out and take, you know, and that kind of thing.
And I'm concerned that there are Republicans right now that are getting sugar-hide on some polls that I've confronted a pollster who's actually been on this show several times yesterday that I thought the New York Times poll that came out a little bit ago was what I call a stealth poll.
I think it was a poll that, yes, it showed good for Donald Trump, and I'm glad to see that.
But yet, when I looked in the basics of the poll, and someone who's dealt in this 30 and 40 years, you know, better like you as well, You're looking at crosstabs.
Yeah, I go to crosstabs and demographics, and I'm like, okay, how do you go from Philadelphia 80-20 to a 50-36?
I'm concerned about this in coming together, like you said, as we move forward.
What do you see...
In that regard, as far as the Biden problem with his Palestinian problem, his pro-Hamas problem, and his Israel problem, and How that is playing into a picture that I believe those voters, and this is the point I'm getting to, those voters have an ideological problem with Joe Biden.
It's an ideological problem.
It's something they don't want.
The Nikki Haley kind of 8%, 20%, whatever you call it, those are just...
You know, a little bit, you know, butthurt that I didn't get my candidate.
I think there's a lot of that because at the end of the day, unless you're Jeff Duncan, the former lieutenant governor in Georgia, you're not endorsing Joe Biden.
So...
Which, again, if you ever heard one of my partners on this show, Chip Blake, who's a political consultant, he pretty well torched the other day.
I'm still waiting for the other half of that.
But do you see what I'm saying?
Do you agree with that, number one?
That the Haley vote, that most all of those have either no place to go or they're coming back to Donald Trump, but the Biden side is much more difficult.
Yeah, I mean, that's a great way to frame it.
I think, first of all, we need to understand that pollsters manipulate polls, especially now when it doesn't matter and they'll never be held to account.
And it's, you know, a quote unquote snapshot.
It's more than that.
It's messaging.
And it's I think these polls, especially from New York Times, is a trying to wake up the Democrat base and say, we got a problem because of the issues you point out.
Certainly, if there is a Green Party candidate in the swing states and RFK Jr. on the ballot in these swing states, that does not help Joe Biden.
Now, it's going to be worth folks' time and money to make sure people understand how radical RFK Jr. is.
I think it's been a shame.
How much the conservative news media, as limited as it is, has given him and his out-there ideas.
I think he needs to be painted for what he is, which is a left-wing radical.
He needs to attract a lot more Democrat voters than Republicans.
Donald Trump is the only choice.
If you're a conservative, if you're a Republican, if you're an America First voter, there's no other options.
All of that is to be said that Joe Biden has significant problems.
This Palestinian-Israeli conflict has laid bare, I think, a real division within their party, and it's a hot division.
This is the thing.
I think the coalition on the right, since we separated from corporate America and picked up working-class Americans, and Donald Trump is to get all the credit for that, It's a very solid coalition.
It is people that want America to be great, believe in American exceptionalism, are for the things that you and I stand for.
Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, the family, God in our lives and in our communities.
Just all the great things that have really, since Alex de Tocqueville, kind of captured the essence of America in And his book, I think, has continued on to this day.
And you see it where you live, Doug.
But you're right, these polls, you know, it's the Doug Collins podcast, so I've got to be careful with my language.
But I think they're a bunch of hooey, quite frankly, at this point in time.
Yeah, I think you're looking at it.
I'm going to dig a little deeper here, and I'll take some of it and you can react to it.
As someone who's been in conservative politics for my whole career, 20, 30 years now, and looking at this, it bothers me a little bit, though.
You made a comment about RFK, which I think is just a total disaster.
This is, I mean, in the flirtation that you had with news organizations on the right, in particular, last fall, I mean, you saw, you know, basically, He was basically on Newsmax, saw him on Fox.
I mean, you saw him in a lot of the conservative media.
And liberal media was shunning him a little bit because he was going against Biden.
So that was sort of the outlet that made.
But it made him appear to be something he's not.
He is a leftist.
He is a far left climate, far left everything.
And he's just not, I mean, he may have some good opinions on the vaccine, but I mean, again, not where you need to go.
It's also interesting to me, I am a dear friend, and I consider her a very good friend, Tulsi Gabbard.
Love Tulsi to death, but not voting for Tulsi.
I mean, that's a personal opinion that I've made clear before on this.
But it's interesting to see how this new coalition, Matt, is coming around to where you're It was almost being fed, it seemed like, by some on the right that you're having people who are not inherently with the base.
Can you imagine a pro-choice candidate in Iowa?
Can you imagine a pro-choice?
They'd get killed.
It would.
And yet we have Republicans say, well, let's put these people on the ticket.
No, I like them for what they're saying.
I'm glad they're coming around to the truth.
But you can't do that as we go forward.
Does that concern you a little bit?
Well, I think there's two ways to look at it.
You know, we have to win elections.
And at the same time, I think one of the reasons I'm a Republican, you know, I guess, you know, I'm an America first conservative, then I'm a Republican, because they happen to line up with mostly what I believe.
Yeah.
But all saying that, I really believe that we do need a big tent.
We need to invite everybody.
Reagan, I'm going to bastardize it, but Reagan's famous quote is, somebody that I agree with 80% of the time is not 20% my enemy.
I agree.
We have to make sure people feel comfortable that we can debate and disagree with But we can't compromise our core principles and our core beliefs.
And certainly, the sanctity of life is one of the top issues that unites the Republican base.
And, you know, again, that's different from the typical Republican voter.
I mean, we saw it.
In the Iowa caucuses, that's the base of the base, the people that show up, the 100,000 to 150,000 people that decide who our candidates are.
And I think they're always going to be for life.
They're going to be for family.
They're going to be for hard work and protecting and preserving the American dream.
Yeah, I agree.
And like I said, it's not...
And I want it to be very clear to our listeners.
And again, I mean, I've traveled with Tulsi.
I've talked to Tulsi.
And again, some of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. stuff is fine.
But when you get into the orthodoxy, again, of the you need people around you that can help you.
But also, it's also like the thing that I'm seeing is there's ways to help, but we're not going to put...
Aside, as I think you rightly said, the foundational principles of who we are to gain something else.
Because in the end, you lose.
I feel like, Doug, you're trying to get me into a conversation about who the vice president candidate might be.
Without saying it.
I know your vetting papers.
I don't want to get in the process of that there, Matt.
I can't confirm or deny that I'm being considered for vice president.
I love it.
Moving on.
I want to move on to this.
And again, to the election cycle, I see this coming up more and more, and you've seen these states in play.
I do believe that there is an issue, because I want to go back to something that I had said earlier about when we were talking about these polls.
When I did talk to the gentleman, and I'm trying to actually probably get him on to just talk about this as well.
When I said I don't believe these numbers, and like we said, it's just, I mean, they are great.
Look, if Donald Trump gets 30% nationwide of the African-American vote, this is a 50-state sweep.
This is over.
I mean, it's not even close at this point.
So when I ask about this, and I said, okay, because this person polls nationally, he does work in this, and he sees it.
I said, okay, tell me why I'm wrong.
He said, He said, you're right and wrong.
And basically, he said, you're wrong in this, he said, because what we're seeing right now.
Now, he did caveat by saying, we'll see if it lasts.
Okay, and that's what I talked about earlier about, is this an ideological difference or is this just coming back home different?
But he said, we're seeing African Americans, especially inner city, Hispanics and others who this open border situation, which we've not really talked about, has created a chaos in the cities and in these urban centers where the minority populations are heaviest because they're there struggling, you know, in these environments where poverty is rampant hunger.
And all of a sudden they see illegals coming in and being put in hotels, giving $1,000 a month spending money and being treated differently than American citizens.
And I never thought about that.
So, Matt, I'm going to throw this out to a deep thinker.
I'm going to throw this out to you.
Does that stick?
Well, let me see if there's one around here.
Yeah, I got my little Shih Tzu crew.
She's right here.
She's sleeping through it.
She ain't going to answer.
But is that a...
I mean, he hit me with that.
And I'm like...
Okay.
If that is true, does that last?
And is it even something that Donald Trump could even tap into?
Or is it just something that organically is going to happen?
Well, I think a couple of thoughts is this movement is certainly real.
I think Hispanics and African Americans, especially males, are moving toward Donald Trump probably more than they ever have in the last two elections where he's been on the ballot in 16 and 20. And I think one of the reasons is because of the chaos in our major cities, but it's also, I think, you know, a reaction to kind of woke prosecutors and the rule of law not being applied, you know, because violent crime is up.
The left is going to try to convince you that it's down.
You know, the benchmark number is pre-COVID in 2019. Crime is still up higher than it was, you know, four years ago when Donald Trump was Matt, you know, I'm going to jump in right here because it really irked me.
You know, someone who's done criminal justice, I know you have as well.
When you do it right, I mean, you do it.
But when Corrine Jean-Pierre was a while back said, you know, we're talking about the crime numbers, you know, always a 50% drop in crime.
Most of your major police departments did not participate in that study.
That is one of the most flawed studies that is out there right now.
And I'm in the criminal justice community and they all say, see, see, see.
I'm saying, no, start putting in the real numbers.
And then it may be going down or it may be plateauing, but it's definitely not plummeting, that's for sure.
Yeah.
Well, and the other thing you've seen, to follow on that last point, in the cities, major cities that have had this influx of the illegal immigration, to the tune of up to 10 or 12 million people, What's happened is that depresses wages at the low-skill level, and so you're seeing that people that can afford it the least are now under significant economic pressure.
It also puts a lot of pressure on housing, and inflation is obviously crushing a lot of people because when you're at that low-skill paycheck-to-paycheck life, which again is the Is what is being attacked by the Biden policies.
And I don't know how they can stay with him when he's not acting in their best interests.
And then overlay on top of that, especially during COVID, but really still now, you're seeing a high price of things like used cars, the green vehicle mandate, EV mandates are inconsistent with You know, those folks' lives.
And, you know, I just think you're seeing kind of what happened to, you know, working class Americans in the Rust Belt and places like Iowa, where I'm from, is there's just a movement away from the Democrats and their policies because they just don't work.
And they're not based in reality, to be quite frankly with you.
Yeah, I think that's an interesting point.
And it is, because...
It's like everything.
When a liberal wants to help a poor person, a poor person better look out because they're in deep trouble.
Because you hit it right.
I mean, the very things that are going up.
And if Joe Biden says one more time and the media is barely ever calling out, well, the inflation rate was 9% when I came in.
No, you bumbling...
Person, it was 9% after you was in for a year and a half and you raised and you destroyed the economy.
But they give him a pass on it.
But the reality is, there's one thing that the press can't give Joe Biden a pass on.
And that is reality.
And reality is a stark reminder when you wake up and you go pay, you know, $3.65 for gas, you go pay $4 for gas, you go pay for, and I'm sure in Iowa, the diesel issue, I mean, diesel is consistently almost a dollar higher here in Georgia in my truck.
Well, when you're putting in a big F-350 duallys, yeah, that's really expensive.
But we're not going to get into personalities here.
You know, you got to navigate the wilds of North Georgia here.
Please tell me you have something hanging off the trailer hitch.
No, we don't discuss things like that.
That's the way we like this.
Now, I do have one of my favorite...
Okay, now that we've digressed, I love this.
I do have...
I got my Field FL sticker on.
I've got my Georgia Outdoor News sticker on.
And I have a...
The Elk Foundation, but I also have one that I picked up at the Air Force Base about a month ago.
You'll love this.
It's a circular sticker, and it has an old B-52 bomber on it, and it has peace the old-fashioned way.
Yes.
That's my favorite.
But anyway, they see it every day.
The eggs are higher.
The groceries are higher.
Everything in that regard is higher.
And there's another thing that bothers.
I'm a messaging sort of geek, too, is when it comes to political message.
I'm sick of these politicians talking about, and liberals do this all the time, fixed income.
And what they're trying to imply is, you know, the poor, oh, you're hurting the fixed income.
Matt, unless you're getting paid by commission, everybody's on a fixed income.
Okay, let's just face everybody is.
So these, I think that's the part, and look, I go into the rallies.
I love me a good Trump rally, okay?
They're just fun.
They had a huge run a few weeks ago in Wildwood, and you've been to as many as I have, okay?
And you're going to have a lot more in Georgia, I think.
Probably so.
As we go, I love me a Trump rally.
But also, I take that as almost like a poll.
It's a snapshot in time and you've got people coming from everywhere because they've become an event.
That Wildwood, New Jersey one, you have people from Iowa, Georgia, everybody, you know, was in there.
But it's the messaging, and I've seen the president get much more focused in that messaging on economy, illegal.
Is it beginning to at least, it's not there yet, and I think Susie and Chris Lasavita and those are going to continue to focus here.
It's looking more like we're going to start getting the two or three themes similar to the way he did in 2016. And when those messages start resonating, I think that's going to be a key in the fall to this issue we're talking about right here.
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
And I think he needs to be laser focused on the issues that are going to move those 3 or 4% of people that are not paying attention, that are sort of going to vote, but really...
Don't know who or how or why they're going to vote.
And one of the things I've seen, you know, and I've been doing the Iowa caucuses really since I was in high school, to be honest with you.
And one of the things I've observed is really the most effective campaigners are the ones that have the three messages, the three that not only they believe in their core, but resonate with voters and then are consistently on that.
Because if you give a wide-ranging speech that covers...
You know, 15 different topics.
Well, the media one day is going to cover topic number one.
They're going to cover topic number two, because they, you know, if you're giving the same speech, they're going to want to pick something different out of it.
And if you give them too much, then, you know, as you're heading to the election day, they may, you know, the media may be following you and be off message because they've covered the other things that you think are important.
So, you know, that message discipline is very important in picking the three things.
And hammering those home are very important.
Yeah.
As the old Southern Baptist preacher in me, I call it three points in a poem.
So, you know, you make it to three points in a poem and an altar call and life's good.
You know, that's another thing that we're coming up here to is the, it's sort of a concerning state of where we're at in the Congress as well.
You got Schumer basically shutting everything down.
You got the House, which can't, Honestly, get out of its own way right now, and you've got a very perilous majority.
They can't seem to do anything.
A week or two ago, it was basically implied from the Speaker's office, Speaker Mike Johnson, who's a good friend, and he's in a very terrible trying to manage that.
But they basically said, look, we've done everything we need to do for now.
We're just going to focus on messaging bills the rest of the year.
Do you think that helps us or hurts us or has people become so calloused to Congress?
And this is a hurtful question for me because I still believe that's the greatest place in the world where the founders actually believe we're supposed to govern the country from, is Capitol Hill.
Or if people just become so scabbed over they don't care anymore, man.
Well, it's Article 1 in the Constitution for a reason, isn't it?
You know, the people were, and it was supposed to be the most powerful place in our three-ringed government.
Obviously, Congress has delegated a lot of that authority to the bureaucracy, and I think that is, with the help of the Supreme Court, we may get some of that back.
I'm not sure Congress wants to do that.
Yeah.
But you're right.
I mean, the messaging bills and getting Democrats to vote and finding where they disagree with the 80% of America is important as you head into elections.
Obviously, I think there's a lot of people that also think that's a little frivolous.
Recently, during Police Week, one of your former colleagues, Kat from Florida, I remember Kat Carmack invited me to join her on a tour during police week.
And so she had police officers from Florida.
She had the Florida Farm Bureau.
We ended up, Zach Nunn, a freshman, my actual congressman from Iowa, was there.
He had a group from the Air Force that he was It was showing around and we ended up all in the House chamber, where I hadn't been since the 2019 State of the Union as a Cabinet Secretary.
I had never had the tour of the Capitol.
I'd been there many times.
I famously appeared, not in the Capitol, but one of the House buildings in the Judiciary Committee.
And so it was really, I went as a tourist.
I went as a tourist and it was amazing.
And I really, I forgot I would encourage every American to do that tour with their member of Congress.
Go sit in the House chamber, hear the history of it.
It's just, it's breathtaking and it reminds you of how great our country really is and how we take these members of Congress from all over the country and put them in one place and hope that they can solve our problems.
So, really, really cool experience.
Did y'all do it at night or did y'all do it in your day?
Yeah, it was at night.
Unfortunately, we did not get to the top of the Capitol dome.
I'm going to have to have one of my home state senators or members of Congress take me up there.
I used to love doing night tours.
Night tours were great.
I did them regularly for groups, especially.
I had one that was on the schedule every semester.
The University of Georgia has a big presence on Capitol Hill, the Delta.
Go Dawgs!
That's what they call it.
Yeah, Go Dawgs, baby.
But they have like 60, 70 interns every semester up in D.C. all through government, from executive to congress, and I would take them, it became a standing tradition, every semester I would take that group on a night tour, and we would talk about, we'd go through the Senate, we'd go through the House, we'd go through the, you know, and we'd talk about little things like, you know, and Kat came in as a Chief of Staff to Ted Yoho my year I first came in, and she and I have been friends forever.
And I've said this to her, and I've said it to many others.
She has amazed me.
And she has become a good member of, I mean, a really, really good member of Congress.
And the kind that you want to see there.
And I think that's just impressive to me as we go forward.
Yeah, I think that's going to be a thing.
I think people are, I had a person on Wall Street, I had one of the Investment bankers and stuff had a group of them one day talking.
And this was a few years ago in New York.
And they said, and we're talking about this sort of same thing.
And I said, well, what do you think about what Congress did?
And they looked at me and they sort of looked at each other and sort of a grin.
They said, Doug, I want to be frank with you.
We've sort of built in Washington and we don't really care unless they'll do something really, really weird.
We're just at a point now where we can't live and die with y'all, so we've ignored y'all.
And I thought, wow, that's a heck of a statement coming from the main money centers of the country as we look at it.
Can't let you go, though, without...
And I know there's a lot going on, so depending on when folks actually listen to the podcast or whenever different things could happen.
The absolute worst case...
The two worst cases against Donald Trump have been in New York City.
By far.
How you can have fraud in one and when the bank actually says, hey, we want to do business with him today.
I don't know how you do fraud.
I mean, I'm assuming they slept through law school in torts or anything else.
I just don't get it in criminal law.
And then you've got Alvin Bragg, who's a special kind of stupid.
The cases, though, what concerns me, and I told this to somebody just recently, that I'm concerned that it doesn't matter what they do, that it is a bad case.
It should have been directed verdict already, and we were talking about it.
And right now, by the way, for those listening to this, it is going on currently, so I'm framing it in this way just in case something happens.
But it should have been directed verdict a long time ago and reversible error at every point.
But I'm concerned that with the jury they've impaneled, That it won't matter, Matt.
That all they're looking for is a guilty, and they don't care if it gets overturned six months from now.
They don't care if they've done the exact same thing at Weinstein.
I mean, they just saw what the Court of Appeals is going to do with this.
You know, so how do we get past this lawfare into the sense of...
Because this is all the media will focus on.
And it's very frustrating to folks like you and I and other attorneys who are sitting here watching this saying, you know, and just the other day there was on cross-examination, the judge was abstaining of, sustaining objections to a cross that had every relevant point and was sustaining objections.
How do you lose touch with a judge and jury system like this while we have in New York?
Well, you end up with deep blue jurisdictions that have, you know, a fair amount of Trump derangement syndrome, coupled with folks that are willing to do this lawfare.
I think, you know, our system of justice, whether it's at the local level, whether it's at the, you know, attorney general level, whether it's at DOJ, in the states, wherever you might find it, requires High quality people of integrity, good faith, and that are willing to wear the white hat, willing to do justice instead of score cheap political points.
And when that's perverted, like you're seeing with Alvin Bragg in New York City, you end up with these kangaroo courts and it's not sustainable because again, It's going to be a back and forth now.
It's going to be, you know, some local Republican prosecutor is going to take on a case that, you know, is suspicious, let's just say that.
And again, I hope, Doug, that I call that out, just like I've been calling out Alvin Bragg in this sham that's going up in New York City.
But you can't...
You just can't, at the end of the day, do a case that depends on a perjurer, a convicted perjurer, to prove your elements of the crime.
Because that person is incented to say falsehoods and to make up new stories.
If it's just anybody can go on the stand, and this is why you can't just have one witness.
I think the American system of justice requires You know, multiple pieces of documentation and evidence and witnesses to prove cases.
And we'll see if this jury can be the last backstop.
Because I think that's, you know, where we're at.
Our founding fathers understood that this could happen.
They designed a system with, you know, the executive branch, the judicial branch, and the people as the jury.
To make sure that these types of things were protected.
Now, we'll find out if the system still works or if it has become so politicized by these blue districts with blue juries and blue judges and blue prosecutors that whether somebody from the other side can get a fair trial.
So far, I don't believe they can.
Yeah, right now.
And that concerns me, and I have a lot with it.
It's funny because it's funny to me when I talk to lawyers, all my lawyer friends, even on both sides, I usually sort of look at, they say, this is a crap case.
And the other one, they don't understand either.
And so they're on this discussion, oh, well, he'll automatically just be acquitted.
And I'm saying, I'm sorry.
You're not understanding where we're at.
You're not understanding the salaciousness.
You're not understanding the deference.
I mean, you got a juror sitting there who said, I hate Donald Trump.
Okay?
I mean, that's reversible error from the jury selection.
But I can be fair and impartial.
Yeah, I can be fair and impartial.
I hate my ex-wife, but I'm still going to give her alimony.
Come on!
This is the kind of thing that's really just bad, but it's that kind of thought process.
Again, as I said earlier, politics and some of this stuff, I always look for the...
My military, I guess, side of me, I look for the worst and prepare for...
Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
And it's just concerning right now, because I do see that lawfare.
I mean, you were a prosecutor.
I did a little bit of prosecuting, morning defense.
I got my code books over here from Georgia.
I mean, if you charge me with a crime, you gotta prove the elements, okay?
And elements are the, here's what you do, one, two, three, you prove these, you made your case.
You don't prove these, you lose your case.
They don't even care.
Well, and you also need to be on notice.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
However, there needs to be some notice that you've committed a crime.
As I look at this case in New York City against Donald Trump, I just don't see a crime.
They have to show the intent to falsify the business records with the intent of covering up another crime.
They have not even said what that other crime is.
Everybody believes it's a federal election violation.
Effectuated through state law.
I mean, these are like double bank shots that is impossible to prove.
And your only witness that can show intent is a convicted perjurer.
To suggest this case is weak would remind me of one of my favorite Lincoln quotes that he used in a debate, saying that someone's argument was as thin as a soup made from the shadow of a sparrow that had died of starvation.
Yeah, I mean, I agree with you on that.
It is just bad.
And you know it's a circus when you've got Alvin Bragg.
Well, number one, the two guy justices up there on loan to do the case.
You've got Bragg and his folks coming in and sitting when New York is burning in many ways from criminal cases they're not doing.
But you see the same thing here in Atlanta with Fonnie Willis.
The Fulton County Jail is under federal injunction.
There's over half, a third or four, 30 or 40% of the inmates are sitting there unindicted.
Now think about that one, Matt.
Unindicted.
That's the DA's problem, not the sheriff's problem, not the jail problem.
That's the DA problem.
And you see it going forward.
But I think, look, we've talked about it.
I think this is gonna be the interesting thing.
You and I will get back together soon and catch us more, especially as we go forward.
But folks, that's why we have him on.
He's one of the best.
Matt Whitaker, thanks for being with me today.
All right.
It's always a pleasure, Doug.
Anytime.
I would love to join you again.
Sounds good.
Take care.
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