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Sept. 5, 2023 - Doug Collins Podcast
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Swamp Kings...of Disappointment
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Georgia GOP Congressman Doug Collins.
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In this house, wherever the rules are disregarded, chaos and mob rule.
It has been said today, where is bravery?
I'll tell you where bravery is found and courage is found.
It's found in this minority who has lived through the last year of nothing but rules being broken, people being put down, questions not being answered, and this majority say, be damned with anything else.
We're going to impeach and do whatever we want to do.
Why?
Because we won an election.
I guarantee you, one day you'll be back in the minority and it ain't gonna be that fun.
Hello, everybody.
My name is Chip Lake.
For those that don't know me, I've known Doug for years now.
I worked for Doug for about 10 years, and I've been fortunate enough to be a guest on his podcast And I'm happy to step in today as Doug is out of town this week.
So in just a few minutes, James and I are going to talk a little sports.
We're going to talk some football.
We're going to talk about the Swamp Kings untold news.
A documentary that is currently running on Netflix on the Florida football program.
A lot of talk this week on that.
We're going to talk about the trade that happened this week in the NFL with the Cowboys and the 49ers, Trey Lance.
We're going to talk Noah Lyles.
A lot of people don't know that Noah Lyles, a United States sprinter, won the 100-meter and 200-meter dash This past week at the World Championships in Budapest, Hungary.
But if you Google Noah Lyles, that's not what you're going to see.
He sparked a little bit of criticism in some of his comments after he won three gold medals.
So we're going to talk about that.
We're going to talk Heisman Trophy.
And then week one of the college football season gets started this weekend.
So hang with us.
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Alright, welcome back.
Welcome back to the Doug Collins Podcast.
My name is Chip Blake.
And James, I think we're going to get started talking about a little college football action.
Good morning, Chip.
Yeah, let's do it.
Let's get into it.
Yeah, last week was week zero.
And I really like week zero.
I hate that.
I hate that so much.
Week zero is so pointless.
I hate the term.
I hate it.
Just say it's...
Go ahead.
I know.
It's a college football people love.
But anyway, I'm with you.
What a start for watching our young naval officers get absolutely eviscerated by Notre Dame.
They get smoked.
And that was the highlight game of the week, largely because it was Sam Hartman's debut for Notre Dame, the transfer from Wake Forest.
And the game was played in Dublin, Ireland.
I believe that's the first time in history we've had a...
That stadium was...
Yeah.
Yeah.
That stadium was beautiful, wasn't it?
I mean, I know our college football stadiums are pretty illustrious, but that place, the way they build those pitches, that place was incredible.
It was awesome, and I enjoyed watching it, even though, because I'm a college football junkie and I'm a sports junkie.
Even though the game wasn't competitive, I feel bad that Navy get to show themselves on a national stage that early in the season because a little bit of background.
Yeah, that's rough.
Oh, they get smoked.
A little bit of background.
You know, Navy's got a new coaching staff this year.
Completely new coaching staff.
They parted ways with Ken Niamatololo after, I believe, you know, Coach Ken was there for well over a decade.
And it just kind of run its course.
Did a really good job at the Naval Academy.
And they brought in a new coaching staff.
And their head coach used to coach with the Kennesaw State.
University head coach here, only about five miles from where I am right now, a guy named Brian Bohannon.
Kennesaw State has always been in FCS, and they're moving up this year into FBS. My son played as a walk-on for the team for a couple years back, and their offensive coordinator was a guy by the name of Grant Chestnut.
And Coach Chestnut is now the offensive coordinator at the Naval Academy, and he didn't have a good debut.
No, he didn't.
But you know what?
I still think that is just so beyond unfair.
I mean, I know that we're talking about Notre Dame versus Naval Academy, which I know was a rivalry at one point, but it's been fairly one-sided.
Over the years.
And it's just like, that's such an unfair, especially, yeah, they threw them on national television.
The fact that Navy agreed to this seems a bit insane, but I'm sure they were just like, hey, we don't mind.
We're just going to go to Ireland, have a good time.
Our players will have a good time, but...
We can't pretend that Notre Dame knew they were going to watch them.
No, I think the line was 19 and a half.
And that's a lot of points in a football game.
Yeah, I didn't think it was going to be that.
Yeah, but watching that triple option offense, it's a timing offense.
And unlike a pro-style offense, which most of these universities run now, the timing offense takes 3, 4, 5, 6 games Yeah, there's guys that are going to the NFL. Yeah, completely.
And look, I think the Naval Academy will get better throughout the season.
Their offense will get better.
They will score points.
They will be tougher to defend.
But week one, you know, that offense is hard on the offense.
It's hard on the kids running it.
And it's not really hard on the defense defending it.
By the time you get to the middle of the season, towards the end of the season, that's not the case.
So, Grant Chestnut's a very capable coach, and I wish him and the whole staff at the Naval Academy well as they kind of embark on their careers.
But it wasn't a really good start, James.
No, it wasn't.
And I'll tell you this.
I grew up in New Jersey, so I went to a ton of Army games as a kid because they were free tickets.
But we went to a couple Army-Navy games, and...
Yeah, okay, they went to Ireland and they got smacked, but those Army-Navy games, those games mid-season, that is some of the most entertaining football-slash-atmosphere you'll ever be at, because it's not a huge stadium.
No.
You have the crowd going crazy, and that's why college football matters is the atmosphere of it.
And them going to play Notre Dame, or if they were to play Alabama or something, obviously they would get crushed.
But when they're playing someone like Army, it's a better game to watch.
So yeah, it felt a little unfair that they had to go on national TV and be the first game, but you know what?
They'll turn around, they'll be fine, and they'll have fun in that division.
And look, we don't know how good Notre Dame is going to be this year.
Notre Dame might be in, you know, the hunt for a playoff spot.
So, you know, not only was it the first team for that, you know, timing offense, but Notre Dame could very well be one of the top five programs in the country.
I'll tell you who did have a good opening week in week zero, and that was Caleb Williams, the quarterback from USC, who I think is a generational talent at that position.
And You know, who disagrees with you would be Doug.
Doug does not...
He's going to fight me on this.
He does not think this kid is...
I said it's a little early to call him Patrick Mahomes, but he's still, like...
Like, he's something special.
And he proved it week one.
Like, in me, I'm sorry, week zero, almost immediately.
Yeah, I mean, he's, you know, when you look at, you know, he only, you know, he's got one year of stats behind it.
But when you look at his stats, And, you know, what he was doing, what he did last year.
I mean, he threw for 42 touchdowns and only five interceptions.
I mean, who does that, you know?
And, you know, he's off to a three-touchdown.
He started the year this past weekend with...
Three touchdowns and no interception game.
Incredibly accurate passer.
Completed 67-68% of his passes.
I really didn't get to see him until later in the year last year because both of my kids are at Auburn.
I'm an Auburn graduate, so we go down to football games.
We've got a travel trailer down there.
And we go down every weekend, whether it's a home game or an away game.
And so we just didn't have time to see Kayla Williams play a lot of football.
But the games that I did see him play later in the year, I was very impressed.
And, you know, Trevor Lawrence was kind of a generational talent when he came out, you know, from Clemson.
And, you know, I think this year is going to be a big breakout year for him.
They haven't had a whole lot of really good pieces around him in Jacksonville up until this year.
I think late in the season, there's going to be some NFL teams that are, let's just say, maybe not giving it 100% week 17 and week 18 because you might want to You want to be in the running if you're going to have the number one pick to be able to pick Caleb Williams.
Right now, he's where he started the year, and that is an overwhelming favorite to win the Heisman Trophy.
Yeah, he got that almost immediately.
I'm sure you saw it, but he had a throw where he was basically...
He just used his arm.
He didn't use his body when he threw it.
That's the only way to describe the pass.
He threw it with just his arm, and it must have went a clean 30, 40-yard dart.
Like, it was easy for him.
It was genuinely one of the most...
Yeah, it's like when you watch, like, I don't...
Again, I'm not going to compare it to Mahomes or anybody, because that's ridiculous.
Patrick Mahomes, and I've been in the NFC North division.
I'm a big Vikings fan, and I've been watching that division forever, and I said Aaron Rodgers is the most talented human being I've ever seen in my life.
Caleb Williams has that arm.
I don't know what else he has because Aaron Rodgers is a genius and I hate everything about him.
But...
His arm alone can do things that will blow your mind.
I think Caleb Williams has very similar arm strength, and that's terrifying.
If you're the Cardinals right now, you are calling everybody because you know you're going to end this season with two wins, and you're like, hey, do you want Kyler Murray?
Whatever you want, take him.
We don't whatever.
Just take Kyler Murray.
We'll pay you to take him.
Whatever.
Get him out of our building because we're getting Caleb Williams.
Yeah.
I think that's right.
I mean, I think Arizona's the overwhelming favorite right now to have that number one pick.
And look, Kyler Murray is a great athlete.
He's a good quarterback.
Well, you come off of ACL surgery, especially if...
If part of the weapon, you know, the weapons that you bring to the field, you know, for your team is the strength to be able to scramble in your legs.
You know, I don't care how well your knee is healed.
You're just, you're never the same after an ACL tear.
And I hate that for Kyler Murray because I'm a big fan and I enjoy watching him play.
But I think there's a high degree of likelihood.
That in May of next year, you know, Caleb Williams is the number one pick of the Arizona Cardinals.
I would hate that for him, though.
I was looking...
Am I the only one who feels that way?
I know.
Like, it's kind of like every time you see somebody get drafted to Cleveland, you're like, oh, no.
And I know that Cleveland's turned their organization on a bit.
Well, sort of.
They did recruit a predator.
But I think the craziest part is, like, watching Arizona, like...
They get, they take Rosen number, what was it, number one or number two?
I don't know what, they didn't take him number one, but he was a top pick.
And they immediately trashed that for Kyler Murray.
I mean, that kid went, listen, I don't know how good or bad Rosen is, I just know that he didn't get a fair shake in any way whatsoever.
I don't think he's going to be good.
It wasn't going to be good, but they really, like, they gave him no fair chance.
And then they bring in Kyler Murray, and I know they've had issues.
Cliff Kingsbury was a nightmare there.
Thank God they got rid of him.
That whole organization, though, just like ever since they had the run with Fitzgerald and Warner's kind of been a bit of a mess.
I know they had the Palmer run for like a little bit, but I don't know.
I just, I don't like their direction.
Like, I would hate to see Caleb Williams go there, but I think his talent's enough to drag them out.
Well, I mean...
You know, James, for anybody that's going to be the number one pick or is going to be the top quarterback in the draft, that's the price you pay, right?
Sure.
There's a reason that the teams are picking you.
It's because they're awful.
They largely have bad offensive lines.
I mean, you know, look at the...
Look at the Carolina Panthers this year and Bryce Young, right?
I mean, you know, poor Bryce Young, you know, is going to a team which arguably is, you know, the bottom three or four in offensive line talent, and they don't have a lot of skilled players for him to play to.
So, you know, Bryce Young's, you know, early on in camp, they gave him the nod to start.
But, you know, I'm not sure we're going to see really good numbers from Bryce Young.
Look, we didn't see great numbers from Trevor Lawrence the first year he was in Jacksonville.
He also had the worst coach, and we're going to get into that in a little bit.
But you know what?
I think the difference for me is with the Panthers, They've been around since, what, 98?
Am I wrong?
96?
Somewhere in that area?
Yeah, somewhere in that range.
I think that's about right.
They've been fairly successful in that time.
Like, they've been to a Super Bowl.
That team's always competing.
Whereas...
And they always seem to find the right...
Well, Matt Rule wasn't the right coach.
But they've always seemed to find the right tools for that team to, like, at least succeed a little bit.
They've done a pretty good job drafting.
They've lost some guys, unfortunately.
But, like, Luke Kegley retiring early crushed their plans.
But...
I don't know.
I just feel like with Arizona, that whole situation scares me because it seems like nobody cares down there.
DeAndre Hopkins wanted out.
They only have Marquise Brown now.
Don't get me wrong.
He'll throw it over to Marquise Brown.
He'll get touchdowns.
He'll be a top fantasy pick next year if Caleb Williams goes there.
You get to be the number one pick in the draft.
They'll build a program around you.
The Jaguars are killing it.
Yeah, and, you know, there's an argument to be made.
You know, it doesn't happen very often, but since we're talking about football, let's kind of go ahead and transition there and talk a little bit about the San Francisco 49ers and the Dallas Cowboys.
You know, San Francisco has their quarterback right now, and it's not Trey Lance.
It's not even the backup.
Yeah, a guy by the name of Brock Purdy.
There's an advantage to being picked later in the draft if you're a quarterback, and that is you have the option and the potential to go to a team who is not god-awful and to go to a team that might not expect you to come in and be the franchise quarterback.
So not only are you going to a team that will have pieces around you, you're also not going in with the expectation that you have to save the franchise.
And Brock Purdy is a perfect example.
Tom Brady was a perfect example of that.
I mean, every team in the league passed on Tom Brady when he got drafted.
And everybody in the league passed on Brock Purdy when he got drafted.
And so, you know, the 49ers give up You know, they move up three years ago in the draft and over three different, four years ago, I think three or four years ago, James, I don't know exactly what year it was.
I want to say he's the 20, you know, I'm just going to Google this because it's Trey Lance.
It was 2019?
It is 2021. That is how short it's been, but it feels like it's forever.
Feels like he's been there forever.
People forget what San Francisco gave up.
They gave up four draft picks in three subsequent drafts.
I think they gave up three first-round picks and a fourth-round pick.
And then they trade Trey Lance this week to the Dallas Cowboys for a conditional fourth-round pick.
What did you think of that trade, James?
Well, if we're talking about what it means for everybody, I think San Francisco made the correct move by getting him out of San Francisco only because for two reasons.
One, they don't have to talk about it anymore.
It's done.
It's over with.
It's out of their locker room.
But the second reason is...
They don't have to pay him.
And Brock Purdy is getting like $12 in comparison to what he was going to make.
But I saw somebody bring this up yesterday.
I want to say it was Rich Eisen.
I want to, so I want to give somebody credit.
He's like, how come we always call the player a bust, but we're not going to call the 49ers a bust for making that decision?
And that is the most real thing I've heard.
Because the 49ers, it's the same thing with the Browns taking Baker Mayfield and the Chicago Bears trading up to get Trubisky.
You guys put all this up to get these guys, and you didn't do a good enough job putting the thing together, surrounding them with the right talent, or you thought they were going to be something they just weren't.
Trey Lance is that guy, and the more you hear about how many times he threw the football before he went there or anything like that, it blows my mind that he was drafted so high.
And for the Dallas Cowboys, I just feel like this is just Jerry Jones just making a splash because people weren't talking about him enough, apparently.
Yeah, Jerry has been known to do that from time to time.
He's a mess.
I can't stand that man.
But anyway.
Yeah, look, I mean, I don't know if it was Rich Eisen or who it was, but that's exactly right.
I mean, even with all the metrics that we have, And all the whatever algorithms GMs and assistant GMs and franchises put into their draft board, it's still really hard to evaluate these players, you know, and it's, you know, you can interview them at the...
At the Combine, you can get to know them.
You can get to know their families.
You can talk to their agents.
You can look at all the film that the players have had from college.
But it's still hard to know how they're going to translate.
And I would argue, James, that we really don't know.
Yeah, we still don't know.
There's not enough body of work in the NFL from Trey Lance to figure out how he's going to execute in the NFL, right?
I mean, he's only thrown just over 100 passes.
I think 102 passes in the NFL since he was drafted in 2021. And he only threw, I think, 300 passes in college.
You know, he was at North Dakota State for three years.
And, you know, he didn't play his first year.
His second year is when he threw up those incredible numbers.
I think he threw 40 touchdowns and no interceptions.
And then he sat out the COVID year, right?
And so, you know, since Trey Lance graduated from high school, he's only thrown 450 Four, 405, 406 passes at all.
And so we just don't know.
I agree with your assessment that it gives him an opportunity to have a fresh start.
And really without the pressure.
Dak Prescott is the guy in Dallas.
And there's no pressure for Trey Lance to come in.
And to be the franchise quarterback.
Maybe he never is a franchise quarterback, but he could be a serviceable quarterback in this league.
I mean, how long has Chase Daniel made millions in the NFL in being a backup quarterback since he graduated from Missouri?
And he's never really been a starter.
And so, you know, maybe there is an opportunity for Trey Lance to go in there and learn under Dak Prescott.
And, you know, look, quarterback's a tough position to play in this league.
You know, people get injured a lot.
Dak certainly had his share of injuries.
You know, maybe Trey Lance will have an opportunity to get on the field if that were to happen to Dak.
Yeah, I'm not rooting for that only because, I mean, nobody's rooting for Dak to get injured.
I know you, man.
But I guess what I'm saying is, like, What a move by the Dallas Cowboys.
First of all, are you a Dallas Cowboys fan by any chance?
No, not really.
I'm a Dak Prescott fan.
I've always liked Dak.
I liked him when he was at Mississippi State.
I think he's a good story.
I think he's a competitor.
And I think he's always overachieved.
And so I'm a Dak fan, but I don't know that I would necessarily put myself in the Cowboys box.
No, that's good, because I want to talk about how annoying the Cowboys are as a franchise, and I didn't want to offend our new guest host.
I am always baffled by Jared Jones.
I know he was talking about I wanted to draft Johnny Football and all that stuff, and he never ceases to amaze me in that draft room.
He actually knows what he's talking about.
He trades for Dre Lance and apparently didn't say anything to the coach or the player before making that move.
You don't say anything to Coach McCarthy and you don't say anything to your starting quarterback.
What message are you trying to send Dak Prescott?
It never makes any sense to me.
They never instill confidence in quarterbacks.
It's always, if they're a little rocky, let's not say they got the job.
Let's just say there's always competition, so they're always looking over their shoulder.
I'm not saying everybody thrives with compliments and kindness, but some people do, and it would be nice every once in a while if instead they're like, well, you know, there's a quarterback competition, he's trying his best, blah, blah.
There was no competition for Dak, and he just created it for no reason.
And not that he's worried about it, because Trey Lance hasn't proven he can play football in the NFL. But if you're Dak Prescott, you've got to be like, why do you guys keep doing stuff like this?
You release one of my best friends, which I still think is a dumb move also.
Don't release it.
Again, you want to win.
You want to make guys comfortable.
You want to make them feel like they're home.
And I always feel like Dak Prescott never feels like he's home in Dallas because Jerry Jones is always up to something.
And that's how I feel about probably a lot of Dallas players.
I could be wrong.
But yeah, I just don't understand the move totally.
Obviously they got a fourth round pick out of it and that was enough for them.
But I genuinely was kind of expecting the Vikings to be in the mix.
Only because we don't have a backup.
Our backup is Nick Mullins and that's not working.
Kirk Cousins is going to be gone next year.
I'm certain of it almost.
He's going to end up in San Francisco if Brock Purdy doesn't play perfectly.
They love him there.
I don't know.
I was a little shocked you went to Dallas, but if it works out for Trey Lance and he can be a serviceable backup in this league, you can't really ask for much more for yourself from where you've been.
Yeah, I tell you, I enjoy one of the analysts that I really enjoy listening to and hearing his perspective on ESPN is Mike Tannenbaum, who is the former general manager of the New York Jets.
That's right.
Yeah, when they brought in Brett Favre.
And, you know, Mike, in listening to Mike this week, Mike said, look, it's always the job of the general manager to serve as a bridge between, you know, the owner and And the head coach, right?
The owner gets to make the final decision on personnel moves and pickups and free agents and trades and things like that.
But Mike said, look, as a GM, it was my job to make sure there was a bridge.
There's no GM in Dallas.
I mean, the owner is the GM. So, you know, if the owner's not serving as that bridge, there's no bridge, you know?
So, in any event, let's pivot to one more NFL story before we talk about a couple non-sports NFL stories.
And I want to kind of close the NFL discussion with a little bit of a talk on what's going on in Indianapolis with Jonathan Taylor.
I mean, this all started, James, if you remember...
with a tweet that Jim Irsay probably the only other The only owner in the NFL who would give Jerry Jones a run for his money with respect to, you know, being front and center and being front of a television camera and saying shock value things and things like that.
So Jim Irsay tweeted a couple weeks before training camp began, and I'll read you the tweet verbatim.
It said, quote, you know, we have negotiated a collective bargaining agreement That took years of effort and hard work and compromise in good faith by both sides, he wrote on Twitter.
To say that a specific player category, in other words, running back, wants another negotiation after the fact is inappropriate.
Some agents are selling bad faith.
I, for one, when I read that, was like, whoa!
I mean, I agree with his tweet.
I think the running back is getting to be a more plug-and-play type position.
I don't want to say it's going extinct like the fullback position has gone in the NFL, but it is kind of more of a plug-and-play position.
But I knew it was going to have ripple effects with his running back, Jonathan Taylor.
And, you know, we fast forward to this week when, you know, Indianapolis gave Taylor permission to seek out trades.
There were rumors that Miami and I think possibly Minnesota might have had, or Green Bay might have had some interest in Taylor, but nothing is available, I think, on a market for a running back that wants a lot of money who's coming off an injury, who right now is on the PUP list and isn't going to play in the first four games.
So, how do you see the Jonathan Taylor situation playing out?
Do you think he plays in Indianapolis this year, or do you think they were able to make a move and move him before his PUP time comes to a conclusion after week four?
Well, I was reading something where I believe if he goes on the PUP list until week six, he doesn't have to play, and he gets paid.
I don't know if this is true, so...
Are the Indianapolis Colts the dumbest franchise in the league?
Let me explain this to you.
By keeping him on the pup list, you can now not trade him.
You can't get anything for him.
So for four weeks, you're going to tell me there are going to be no severe injuries in the NFL? Not one.
Where a running back goes down and they say, hey, we need him.
Here's whatever.
Now, the agreeing to pay Jonathan Taylor more money, that's going to be a little bit difficult, but if you're a desperate NFL team, or let's use, for example, who's a team in the running?
Like, let's say, this is just, again, total, let's say you're the Bengals, and Joe Mixon goes down, who's going to be a stud this year because they have nobody else in that backfield.
No one.
Let's say he goes down for the season.
Two weeks from now.
Jonathan Taylor sitting there.
They can't take him.
He's useless.
He's on the pup list.
He can't play for the first four weeks of the season.
You basically just said, full to Jonathan Taylor and to the rest of the league.
We're not going to trade him.
We'd rather die and pay him money.
I don't understand.
Jim Irsay is on the top of the petty list right now.
Yeah, the only thing that I don't know, and it's also hard to figure out, you know, it depends on who you talk to and depends on what blogs you read, etc., etc., is just how injured is Jonathan Taylor?
I mean, is he on the pup list?
I've heard he's not injured at all.
Yeah, and I've heard that as well.
And that very well might be the case.
And if it is the case, then I would agree with your assessment.
Putting on the pup list makes no sense, you know, makes no sense whatsoever.
I don't know if you saw Chris Ballard, the GM's, you know, comments in...
In his press conference yesterday, when he was asked by the media, and I'm going to read a little bit about what he said, he actually, you know, instead of saying, hey, look, that's a personal matter, we're going to handle it internally, like a lot of GMs would probably do.
And can you imagine what Bill Belichick would have said had he been asked the same question by a member of the news media?
Let me read you a little bit about what Chris Ballard says.
It'll kind of tell you the posture and the position and just exactly how tough the situation is for the Indianapolis Colts.
He says, look, I tell every rookie that comes in, there's going to be a point where we disagree.
And it's usually about money and it's going to be really hard.
So just know that that doesn't change my care level for you.
I deeply care for Jonathan Taylor.
I have great respect for Jonathan Taylor.
My relationship, I would tell you, look, even when it gets hard, I won't quit on that relationship.
I won't do it.
I think too much of the young man.
I think too much about what he's given our organization and how hard he's played for us.
And then he ends with this.
He says, and what sucks, I mean, the situation sucks.
I'm not going to sit here and give you some rosy picture like everything's okay.
No.
It sucks.
It sucks for the Colts.
It sucks for our fans.
It just does.
That's a pretty candid assessment by Chris Ballard.
Yeah.
Well, he's not wrong because, again, this has been stated time and time again.
You have a rookie quarterback that you're starting in Anthony Richardson.
Me and Doug have fought...
Is it Doug and I? I don't know.
It doesn't matter.
We have fought every episode, pretty much, about how I believe in Anthony Richardson and he doesn't.
I genuinely believe that Anthony Richardson, in my mind, has all the steps that lead to a Josh Allen and a Jalen Hurts.
But...
What really helps a good quarterback is a stable position player, like a great wide receiver or a running back you can toss to.
You know what I'm saying?
And I think the thing that's driving me crazy is, like, you could have given this guy an extra few million dollars, brought it up towards the franchise tag or something.
Just something around that number.
Made him happy for a year.
There was options.
And instead, their option was, screw you.
We don't care how talented you are.
We could replace you with a dog tomorrow, and no one would care because running backs are replaceable.
And you basically just looked your best player in the eye.
And said, we don't care that you're young.
We don't care that you're coming back healthy.
We don't care about this, this, this, and this.
All we care about is that we're not going to let you dictate the market.
Everybody else says we're not paying running backs, so neither are we.
And that's the rule, and that's what they're sticking to.
And every running back, I think, got really screwed this year.
But Jonathan Taylor took it to a new level, and Jim Bursay was like, yeah.
I am the big dog.
I'd rather spend my time saving whales or something, whatever he was doing, than paying my best player to play football.
Well, and if you're Jim Irsay, you're putting all your cards in the table and you're saying, not only is this position devalued in the league, not Jonathan Taylor specifically, but if you're the owner of a football team and he's your starting running back and you're talking about running backs, you can't put out a tweet like that if you're Jim Irsay without people not thinking that you're talking about your own running back, Jonathan Taylor.
But To your point, if Anthony Richardson does turn out to be a good quarterback, and I think he might, you know, I mean, we should know pretty quickly, if you have a quarterback that has the ability to run the football, it decreases the value of the running back position on your team even more.
Because, you know, the quarterback is going to gobble up a lot of rush yards.
So, look, it's going to be fascinating.
I know we're running out of time, James, so I want to hit on three things outside of NFL football before we start.
First thing I want to hit on is, as I mentioned in the front, is Noah Lyles.
He's a United States sprinter, and he's fast.
At the World Championships every year, the winner of the 100-meter dash normally carries the title of fastest man in the world until the next World Championships.
Last week in Budapest, Hungary, we had the World Track and Field Championships, and Noah Lyles not only won the 100-meter dash, but he won the 200-meter dash, too.
And it wasn't winning those gold medals that made news.
He was asked in a press conference...
He was asked about drawing a comparison to what he does as a track world champion and those in American pro sports like the NBA. And he went off on a tangent and said,
and I'll quote, And got a lot of, you know, he's got a lot of response from players in the NBA. But Noah says, quote, you know, the thing that hurts me the most is that I have to watch the NBA finals and that they have world champion on their heads.
World champion of what?
The United States?
Don't get me wrong.
I love the U.S. at times, but that ain't the world.
That is not the world.
We are the world.
We have almost every country out here fighting, thriving, putting out their flag to show that they're represented.
There ain't no flags in the NBA. Wow!
You know, I guess, you know, look, track and field is a global sport.
The National Basketball Association is an American sport, but you know, is there really any doubt amongst even the casual sports observer that the winner of the NBA title is world champion and nobody can beat them?
And what did you think about Noah's comments?
I just thought, did he really go after the NBA? Are you out of your mind?
They own Twitter.
When I first heard it, me and my brother were joking about it.
I was like, you know, even if that's...
Yes, technically it is true.
It is not a world championship.
And I know there's the argument that everyone's like, well, put them up against the best team in the world.
You're right.
No matter what team you put up against them that's outside of the NBA, they will lose by 100. But I just...
Why even bring it up?
It makes no sense.
The best players on the planet in basketball play in the NBA. The MVPs of the last four seasons have all been out of the country.
Two for Giannis, two for Jokic, and one for Joel Embiid.
Okay?
That's five.
Sorry.
You understand what I'm saying?
And they all come here to play.
They all come here to play.
Yeah, Doug will tell you, you know, members of the press have the right to ask you whatever question they want to ask you.
But you have a right to answer the question any way you want to answer it.
And, you know, I guess Noel House wasn't really prepared for that question.
And it was diarrhea of the mouth.
I mean, any time, you know, part of your statement talks about, I love the USA at times, you're usually going to find yourself in a little bit of trouble.
Let's transition to what happened today.
Yeah, that's right.
Let's transition to what happened in Lincoln, Nebraska this week.
Did you see 92,003 people?
What an incredible crowd.
92,003 people attend a college women's volleyball game in Lincoln, Nebraska this week.
Did you see that?
I saw the photos of everyone in the stadium and I'm so glad everyone came out for it.
That is so cool to me that everyone was like, let's just break this record.
Not that they weren't there for the girls, because those girls...
First of all, when I'm watching the Olympics or whatever, I love watching volleyball, men's or women's.
I think that sport is so absurd that you can dive literally 60 feet out of bounds and still it's in play.
But just the idea that everyone was like, let's just do this.
Let's just blow it up and we will have the biggest crowd of all time.
For women.
Yeah, and I tell you, kudos to them.
They set it up perfectly.
They even got an 83 degree clear sky day.
Scotty McCreary, who is a country music star, was able to put on a concert afterwards.
Look, the population of the state of Nebraska is only 2 million people.
And they got 92,000 people to show up for what was essentially an exhibition volleyball game.
And I don't say that lightly.
I think that's even more impressive that it wasn't a feature game and a highlight game because I, you know, I don't know a lot about women's NCAA volleyball, but what I do know, I have a friend of mine who is from Nebraska and he told me six years ago, volleyball is the big thing.
Women's volleyball is the big thing in Nebraska and kudos to them for showing out and breaking the record.
And two, I think it also helps that the football team doesn't play their first game in that stadium until mid-September, which is unique too.
So it always helps to have the fans show up to, how do we say, to refine their tailgating game, right?
You're not going to go back to the stadium.
Yeah, for week one.
I can't wait for the tailgating.
Yeah, man, it's ready.
Let's close this week, James, with a little bit of Netflix.
A little bit of Netflix.
There's a lot of controversy surrounding the, and I don't know if you've had a chance to watch any of it, but the Florida Gators Untold documentary.
Have you had a chance to watch any of those episodes at all?
So I've only gotten the highlights from other people.
Because I, the genius I am, I had to cut Netflix off because they were charging me $26 a month to watch Nonsense.
They have put out so much, like...
They've had a couple of good things here and there, but most of their stuff is trash.
And all the things that I like to watch, they're all somewhere else.
Hulu, Macs.
I was like, you know what?
We're done, Netflix.
This relationship is over.
And then they dropped Swamp Kings.
And I was like, oh, you know what?
That's probably going to be a good documentary.
And right before I'm about to be like, all right, I'm going to give in and give Netflix my money again.
Somebody goes, do not watch it.
It is a, I think he described it, I think as I wrote in the notes, a propaganda parade for Urban Meyer.
And I was like, oh no, don't tell me that.
That monster is going to get a second shot at redemption through a Netflix documentary.
And then all that does is delegitimize all the other untold story documentaries.
Yeah, the whole concept of Untold, especially if you're watching it as a documentary, and the Untolds are documentaries, is they're supposed to create and they're supposed to have content that you don't know about as the consumer of such a show.
You know, I watched the first episode, and look, I'm a junkie, I love that stuff, but I can't say that after I watched the first episode that it wasn't like Tiger King during COVID where I kept watching and kept watching like the rest of the country, right?
And it was, okay, that's great.
If I can't find something else on, I'll end up watching it.
But I think what you said as far as propaganda for Urban Meyer is right.
Urban Meyer has his fingerprints all over that.
You just don't see a lot of the controversy.
That's what I think makes this story so compelling.
You had Tim Tebow and Aaron Hernandez and Percy Harvin on the same team.
And Cam Newton.
Don't forget about Cam Newton.
Yeah, that's right.
But I think Cam was gone by the time that they...
But yeah, no, absolutely.
It's just like the idea that all those guys were on one team.
I think that we're the Pounty Twins on there, too.
I just don't understand.
It's all we ever wanted was this documentary.
Yeah.
I mean, on that national championship team, they had 41 players get arrested.
Not that year, but in their time in Florida.
No, it doesn't matter.
They had a halo over the program.
They had a halo over the program because Tim Tebow wasn't the quarterback.
Yeah, talk about the divine powers of Tim Tebow.
He masked everything wrong with that team.
And then all the years later, you find out what's wrong with almost everybody that had ever gone there in that time.
And...
And they didn't discuss it?
Listen, to not...
I watched one of the...
I don't know which one.
One of the Aaron Hernandez things.
It was extremely depressing.
And I don't know what of it was true, what wasn't.
But to barely discuss it, and to call it Swamp Kings...
The name was such a great idea.
It's a great name for it.
And again, I know Untold, I think their first documentary was The Malice of the Palace, the Pistons and Pacers fight.
And I was, I guess that happened in 2004 or 2003. I think it was 2004. I could be wrong.
I remember, though, me and my dad were watching the game.
And I remember so vividly, Ben Wallace basically walking up to Ron Artest and choking him out, which started everything.
And then I watched the documentary, and whatever I watched basically was on the documentary with a couple add-ons.
So I knew that was real.
So that's why I was like, I trust them.
For them to do this, and just basically, something that people have been asking for, for what, 10 years now?
Yeah.
And to just, it's just pure Netflix nonsense, and I hate that Urban Meyer comes out with a good guy.
He was such, honestly, we all saw everything that he was in Jacksonville, and it just proves that whatever he was doing everywhere else was all the same.
Yeah, I mean, when you produce a documentary, you know, you don't want the reviews from that documentary to be, you know, it was a dud.
It was a nothing burger, and that's what you're getting out of this.
Of course, I say that I'll probably at some point in time when I run out of content to run, I'm a sucker for sports documentaries, and I'll probably end up watching the second, third, and the fourth show.
But it's not as compelling as...
As I would like it to be.
And man, is it getting beat up right now?
And probably rightfully so for all the reasons we discussed.
Well, James, our time has flown by.
We've been on for almost an hour.
And we've covered a lot.
So, A, I want to thank you for tolerating me this week.
I want to thank Doug for asking me to guest host this Friday.
And I want to thank everybody that are listeners to the Doug Collins podcast.
And just wishing everybody a...
Happy and healthy Labor Day weekend.
I hope you enjoy the start of the college football season, the official start of the college football season with week one.
And before you know it, James, next week when you and Doug are...
You know, are talking on a Friday about the weekend.
It will be before week one of the NFL season.
What a time to be alive.
Exciting times as we get into fall, and I just thank everybody for listening, and we'll catch you next week in the Doug Collins Podcast.
James, do you have any parting thoughts?
No, as usual.
We'll take care of everybody and enjoy this Labor Day weekend.
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back.
This is one of my favorite times I get to talk to Charles Storm with Legacy Precious Metals.
Great folks that I've had the pleasure of dealing with.
But you know something?
I've heard this whole story a long time ago, folks, and it was always that you need to check out anything and you need to look and deal with folks who are accountable and transparent to what other businesses and be willing to answer questions.
But lately, Charles, one, welcome back to the podcast.
Glad to have you with us today.
I'm glad to be back.
Thank you for having us.
Well, it's good.
Well, one of the things that has been coming up, and this has been coming up in some advertisements, and there's been some really bad information and bad, well, maybe not information is right, but bad press about some things going on with major gold companies who have been exposed lately in some business practices.
Now, again, you know, these are all allegations and stuff that we're not going to deal with, but I think it brings up a fair point To people who are buying a product, you know, through a company like Legacy Press Battles, who I've had the privilege of buying from.
So I want to talk about this in giving people a chance to understand that, you know, why is your company different?
What do y'all do to do that?
And a lot of these are under fire because of, and this is one interesting, was because of outrageous rates that they have charged clients.
And there was, in fact, there's been a major article in Washington Post and a breaking point segment as well.
Can you explain sort of what's going on here about that?
Absolutely.
And I want to touch on one thing that I haven't been able to say for quite some time.
Good job, Washington Post.
That is an oxymoron of words at times, I have to say.
Yeah, so good job to them.
But yeah, you know, and the article really, it came out is you have these gold companies out there and, you know, I'm never going to name names.
It's just not what we do.
You know, people buy from us because of the virtue of us, not because of the...
Issues with other companies.
But you have to care about your clients.
And what we're addressing is the amount that they charge.
Anytime you have someone, and this is like we've talked many times, education is so important.
Not pushing a client to do something, making sure they understand the process, understand what they're getting, what they're dealing with.
That's key to the thing to where you don't get taken advantage of.
You have the time to think it through.
And you have these companies that they charge a lot of money.
And this is where you see these complaints out there from people who say, I lost half my money as soon as I started investing.
How did that happen?
They got pushed into something.
They got rushed into something with some pretty words and a slick salesman is really what it came down to.
And that's the issue.
This is why we focus on the education so hard.
We're an honest company.
We charge fair rates.
We're probably the lowest in the industry.
But besides that, the education is what stops that from happening to the client by spending the time with them.
Well, one of the things that I've always said about, you know, you guys, and I mean this, in my dealings with you, has been that navigation function, you know, letting people have the options, and then it's sort of up to them.
And explain that, because I've got some other questions, but you've hit on something very interesting about transparency, because y'all provide free information about what you do and how it works, really, without even talking to you.
All you gotta do is ask for it.
Right.
And, you know, not everyone wants to speak right away.
We're aware of that.
To help people doesn't mean you help them in your parameters.
You help them where they're at.
Anyone can help if they don't have to do anything, right?
Our company's been a little different, and this bleeds into our lifestyle as well.
If someone needs help, you help them where they're at.
You don't make them come to you.
So if they're not ready to talk, get the information.
Look it over.
That's the true heart of helping somebody, is to make it convenient for them to get the help.
And I think that's important.
But also, you know, again, if they get that information and then they want to go on, they can actually log in, make an account, do their trades, you know, through that online part that you have and really do it themselves and be separate.
And I think that gives some autonomy to people that are really wanting to do this themselves and they want to sort of trust what they're doing.
And I think y'all give them that ability to do that.
And we found, too, a lot of times people will go there, they'll do that little transparency, that test themselves, and then they'll call in after they've been through the process.
They understand kind of what they're doing.
Now they're willing to dig in and talk more in depth about what they want to accomplish.
And we're here for that.
You can continue to go completely on your own.
With one of the best platforms out there, some of the best prices, or you can get help.
It's truly up to the customer.
And that's, again, that's the important thing about us is we're going to meet you where you're at.
You're not looking for, I think it'd be safe to say, and what you're hoping for in transparency in doing this education, is you're looking for a long-term relationship, not a one-and-done.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
One-and-done doesn't help anybody.
Even if someone comes in and they buy all the medals they want on their first purchase, and they're going to hold it for 15, 20 years, that's irrelevant.
They should still be in touch with us because things change.
We may be, at some point in time, say...
You know, maybe we've seen a peak in gold.
Maybe you should sell some.
Maybe you should sell some.
Maybe things are worse.
Maybe you want to consider more.
Are you comfortable where you're at?
That's part of our process.
So, one and done, if that's what someone wants, that's fantastic.
Again, we're comfortable helping people where they're at.
But we maintain that relationship for the duration, even if they only purchase one time, because we're here to help.
Yeah.
And I think it's just a matter of how you do business.
Something else has come up in some of these investigations and stories as well is that many people, they don't know how to invest in gold.
Okay.
And I was one of those, you know, before I did this, I wasn't sure how you did it.
And that's how I got to know and learned and went across this.
And what's happening right now is a lot of companies are out there pushing what they call rare coins or, you know, for a North Georgia boy, I'm going to hopefully not mess this up, a semi-newsmatic coins.
Yeah.
What's the difference?
I mean, I know about gold coins.
We've actually showed some of my investments here on our discussions.
But what's the difference in these coins compared to a bullion coins?
And why would they push them?
Right.
There's two categories here.
The rare coins, which is a numismatic.
I got that close.
Yeah, you got it really close.
Even people in the industry don't know how to say that.
And that's a coin that it's made of gold or silver, but its value is not composed of the metals itself.
It's composed of the rarity of it.
You'll get a coin that says there's maybe 10 of them in existence.
So it's like buying an art piece is truly what it is.
You're buying an art collectible piece, which is great.
If my wife tells me to paint the garage, I'm not going to go out and buy a classic art piece by Dolly or something and hang it on the wall.
That's the difference.
I'm going to go out and get paint, and I'm going to paint it.
So our bullion products are meant for that base investment, for that protection that everyone's looking for.
That's your bullion bars, your bullion coins.
The rare coins are for that collectible piece.
And maybe you want some of them.
You know, we have them.
I have a fine collection of them, but it's there for a specific purpose.
It's like building a house.
You build your foundation first.
That's your bullion items.
And then you build the rest.
And maybe you want...
A rare coin for the grandkids.
Maybe you want something special.
Those are available.
But that shouldn't be the same investment.
It's a different type of investment.
Well, it is a different type of investment.
It's not based on a market there.
It's based on an appetite at the time.
Is that a fair way to push that?
Absolutely.
And I'll use an example here.
At the risk of going long, you know, in...
The 1920s.
We had the Morgan silver dollar.
And they quit making them.
And then they came out a couple years later and made the peace dollar.
But then they quit making those silver dollars altogether, right?
Funny thing happened was, Morgan's were hard to get.
There weren't any around.
They went for huge premiums.
And then they found a vault of them.
And they released millions of them into circulation.
And all those rare coins were now not so rare anymore.
Wow.
So that can happen.
Does it happen often?
No, that's an extreme case.
But again, if you have your base metals for your base investment, no worries.
If you get a collectible coin, it suddenly becomes less collectible.
That happens sometimes, but not always.
And that's an interesting way to look at it as a good way to put it from the standpoint.
But when we're talking about this too, you know, if something occurred to me and I was sitting here thinking about it, you know, are there red flags that you can look for when people are looking to buy gold?
Yes, absolutely.
When they use terms, here's another term, semi-numismatic or private millions.
Run.
That's a red flag for someone trying to say, I have a basic bullion item.
I have somehow deemed it to be private, which means what they're trying to say is you don't have to pay taxes on it.
Or they have a semi-collectible value to them.
A lot of those coins, everyone has access to them.
The difference is they're going to charge you a lot more money.
They're going to use salesmanship.
They're going to use fear.
They're going to say the government, one of the things they'll say is the government's going to come and take all your gold like they did in 1932. We're going to take away silver.
You want something that's private they can't touch.
Listen, that's hogwash.
They're charging a premium that's usually massive.
And we've seen in some of these cases, there's a 90% markup on these coins.
90%.
And that's how someone can say, how did I lose all my money?
They fell for a slick salesman who preyed on your fear.
And this is why we always say at the end of our conversations that you have with us, we want to remove the fear.
By creating a game plan, you don't have to be afraid anymore.
So fear should be removed from the issue.
And if someone's pushing you, they're talking fast, or they're saying fearful things to you about how this is going to be taken, how you're going to wind up broke, those are your biggest warning signs.
The integrity of the person is not there.
Anything that you get that seems to bypass a specific, well-laid-out plan is typically something that would be a red flag, in my opinion, on a lot of things.
I'm glad to see, as you said earlier, I'm glad to see the Washington Post doing something like this also for out there, because there's a lot of people who want to expand their portfolio options.
And we've talked about that on here, about being transparent about different items and different options from stocks to bonds to precious metals.
And that's all part of it.
Charles, you always give people a lot to think about.
You give them the ways to do it.
And that's why Legacy Precious Metal is a proud part of our part of our show.
And I'm glad to have you with us.
So thanks for being with us again today.
My pleasure as always.
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