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June 15, 2022 - Doug Collins Podcast
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When the Media chooses not to care
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By who?
Georgia GOP Congressman Doug Collins.
How is it?
The greatest thing I have ever heard in my whole life.
I could not believe my ears.
In this house, wherever the rules are disregarded, chaos and mob rule.
It has been said today, where is bravery?
I'll tell you where bravery is found and courage is found.
It's found in this minority who has lived through the last year of nothing but rules being broken, people being put down, questions not being answered, and this majority say, be damned with anything else.
We're going to impeach and do whatever we want to do.
Why?
Because we won an election.
I guarantee you, one day you'll be back in the minority and it ain't gonna be that fun.
Hey everybody, it's Doug Collins.
Welcome back to the Doug Collins Podcast.
Glad you're with us today.
I want to talk about something, and I'm not sure, you know...
Where we got to this point.
But we've gotten to a point now to where violence, and especially political violence, if you don't get your way, is becoming the norm.
And now look, this is a, right now with the January 6th commission and all the focus on those who entered the Capitol, who did things that they shouldn't have done there, this is being going on.
I think the prosecutors are dragging their feet in those cases and they need to get those prosecuted.
If they did something wrong, prosecute them.
If not, move on.
January 6th Commission, we're talking a lot about that over the last week with the hearings that have already started.
The question is, are they looking at this from a solution standpoint?
Are they looking at it for retribution against Republicans and Donald Trump and others?
Are they actually saying, hey, what actually happened here?
How do we prevent it in the future?
That's going to be a determinant as we go along.
But there's something that happened last week that I really want to focus on, because when you get to a point in which the words of others Incite you to violence.
Then we're going to have to take an assessment of who we are.
And I'm not talking about folks who take what we say and then they twist it and make it into their own agendas, their own problems here.
I'm not talking about people who go out and say, well, Doug Collins said that the Democrats were not doing legal stuff, and so I'm going to take matters into my home.
That's somebody who is off on their own and should not be listed.
What I'm frustrated with Why that happens to start with.
And this past week, Justice Kavanaugh, a gentleman was arrested outside his Maryland home with weapons and said, I'm going to kill the justice because of his guns issue and because of abortion.
Now, this is, again, something that should not be tolerated.
It should not be in any way condoned.
It should not be encouraged.
And what I have tried to see and what I have tried to say here is let's have the conversation in forums like the podcast, in forums of debate on the House floor, debate in the Senate, debate in our state house.
But at a certain point in time, we've got to understand that freedom of speech in this country is so important.
And again, reminding you that freedom of speech is not just your freedom to say whatever you want to say, but it's the other person's freedom to say whatever they want to say.
In fact, it is the very essence of saying something that I don't like that actually brings freedom of speech to life.
The founders would have never had to have A discussion or an amendment for freedom of speech or freedom of assembly in there if it wasn't because that some people are going to take offense at what you say.
And that is okay.
As long as it falls into parameters that you're not, you know, defaming anybody, you're not, you know, the old analogy of yelling fire in a crowded building, that freedom of speech is something that is to be protected.
It is something to be wrapped around.
and is something that should be encouraged in our country.
This is a country that I remind you as we get into this in this discussion, and I want to take off from what we have seen in this violence discussion of actually saying things that have encouraged others to violence and some giving a direct correlation to say that this is what should happen.
Let me just remind you, if you're wondering about this, Chuck Schumer said back during the Kavanaugh issues that there would be a price that would be paid if they mess with the road decision.
He would unleash the whirlwind of problems.
This was Chuck Schumer, the majority leader in the United States Senate, implying an implied threat To the public saying that if Kavanaugh was a part of overturning Roe or touching Roe, that he would pay the price.
There's a certain point where rhetoric And in an environment that we have today where rhetoric and understanding need to have some context.
Now, we hear it all the time that the conservatives are just mad at liberals, and some conservatives said that they want to kill other liberals, and that's wrong.
But what we also almost never hear, and I never hear accountability, and we're going to talk about this here in just a minute, is of liberal politicians who discuss civil disobedience and other things and are never held to the same accountability level.
Now, it is interesting to me that over the past year and a half that we've had a lot of discussions on the election of 2020 and the challenging of electors that were sent forward.
Now, understand something.
In 2004, Benny Thompson, who is the chairman of the January 6th Commission, objected to the electors in the George W. Bush administration.
He objected to those electors.
Now, nothing was said.
Nothing was said that he was, you know, not following the rules, that that wasn't right, overturning a proper election.
It was just, that was the way that they could do it.
2016, let's go back in time.
Jamie Raskin, the famed constitutional scholar and a professor who I've had this privilege of sitting down with.
I know Jamie Raskin very well.
Disagree with him on most everything.
But Jamie also objected strenuously to the Trump electors.
Okay, again, outside forces caused this past year a difference in what was happening, but when they were attacking members for simply doing what other members had done in the past, that was the part where I drew the line.
The rest of it with the mob and the discussion that transcended at the Capitol, those were issues for those people to have to answer to and are answering to.
But when we take that and then we try to move it forward and to move forward a debate that is We end up with our words, unfortunately, inciting the issues of problems like this with Justice Kavanaugh around the road debate.
And for me, this is what is actually going on here when we have gotten to the point where civil discourse is no longer tolerable.
Where civil discourse is something that you can say and you can get vehemently upset about, you can even talk about the things that you dislike about the other side, you can bring your points forward, but at the same point in time, and no matter, it's not reported, but when you don't take the time to Make sure that debate is had in our country.
In fact, the biggest concern I have right now in our country is that we talk past each other.
And look, I bring out a conservative perspective here on this podcast, and I will continue to do so.
But one of the things that bothered me the most during the Trump administration was that the left was never held accountable for the things that they would say and the things that they would do.
Remember, Ted Lieu Back to the Mueller investigation.
Representative Ted Lieu out of California said on MSNBC that if Trump fired special counsel Robert Mueller, there would be widespread civil unrest as people would take to the streets.
Okay, this is Ted Lieu.
Again, very vocal critic of Donald Trump.
Not only was Ted Lieu making this, James Clapper, who was the director of national intelligence, former director of national intelligence, said that if Trump fired Mueller, that many other Democrats saying Trump firing Mueller would be a result in a firestorm in the streets.
Okay, we've already talked about Chuck Schumer just recently.
He was talking about...
The problems of, you know, reaping a whirlwind, you know, paying the price if they mess with Roe.
Some of those rhetorical arguments, okay?
I'll state it.
Rhetorical arguments and that no one is saying, you know, to catch any dispersion.
And to going out and actually, you know, doing something in the streets, although they were saying, look, you do this, this is, you know, what can happen.
The ones that begin to bother me a little bit more is when they start getting more personal to the tax.
And as someone who has been in politics for a long time, I disagree with my Democrat friends.
I disagree with my liberal friends that I have.
And we'll have that debate and have that argument all the time.
But that is where it's supposed to be.
It's supposed to be at an argument of words.
It's an argument of beliefs.
It's an argument of ideas.
And we've got to keep it there.
But when you have Senator Cory Booker, who urged people to answer a call to action to protest at the Capitol during this time of the Mueller investigation, please get up in the face of some Congress people.
What Booker said.
Okay, at a certain point in time, Senator Booker, your maybe discussion, just like the Republicans said, you know, confront your Congress people, hold them accountable to make sure that they investigate a 2020 election.
What's the difference?
The difference is that the left is not held accountable here.
This is not something that needs to be happening as we discussed it, because when you start getting into this area of Booker and others and saying that this is going to be cause for problems, and then you have Hillary Clinton who, of course, says you can't be civil with a political party that wants to destroy everything that you stand for.
Let me ask a question.
Eric Holder, former Attorney General, took off of one of Michelle Obama's things.
She used to say that when they go low, we go high.
Former Attorney General Holder said, no, no, when they go low, we kick them.
Again, this is a continuation thing.
I'm bringing this up that we need to be more confrontational.
One of the things that is also said is Maxine Waters.
is one that bothered me when I was in Congress.
Maxine Waters said, God is on our side.
She also urged activists to physically confront the Trump administration in public places saying you get out, you go and get out and create a crowd, you push back on them, you tell them they're not welcome anymore or anywhere.
Continue to call this out.
Folks, It's time we get back to the understanding of who we are as a country, who we are as a people when it comes to our civil discourse.
This has to be something that we get into and we research, that we have the conversations, and that we understand that Lives matter.
And that we, as the only way, as the free country that we are, to have the debate, to have the civil discourse, to have these issues that are coming forward, and to be a part of those, we have to have a robust debate in which the press is not taking sides, the press presents it fairly, and the press then takes and understands that when we have good, honest debate, then we can change minds.
But it's not going to be from threatening.
It's not going to be from encouraging others or talking to others and saying that violence is the answer.
That is not the answer.
Okay, civil discourse is the answer.
Our founding fathers set this up.
Our founding fathers made this true many years ago, and we have to take that as an example that we move forward in today.
If we don't do so, then we're going to continue to see existences like Kavanaugh, in which you have people who are unstable, who do things that they shouldn't do.
We're going to still have people like that comes and shoots up a baseball field full of Republican congressmen, We're good to go.
As you understand this, I understand this completely.
You have every right to protest.
You have every right to make your opinions heard and even loudly make your opinions heard.
You even have the right to say, look, we'll vote you out of office.
We're going to work against you.
You're not going to represent us.
All of those things are valid.
But the problem is when you have any of those issues that boil over outside of our civil discourse realm, then you have problems.
Then you have the problems that we're seeing of violence in our country in which you're seeing the unrest, and you're seeing unrest that is not...
Put in perspective and going back to the basics of our country and our political system and the things that need to happen here.
All I'm saying to you folks is that when it disturbs me because it's very personal for me, I remember one morning I woke up.
I was back in the state of Georgia.
I was doing some tours of some facilities and was going to have a fundraiser that night, just like Congress people do all the time.
And I got to my breakfast and I had finished up my exercise.
I was getting my breakfast and my district staff director came down.
And said, Congressman, we got a problem I need to talk to you about.
And I said, what is it?
He said, this morning, the local police department in North Georgia had arrested someone for threatening to harm myself and my daughter.
I was stunned at first, and then realized that this was going to happen, and we found this out more, that this was a person who had some mental issues, but they were coming to the fundraiser that night, which we didn't have security.
Normally, you don't have to have security in those kind of situations when you have people who are coming to donate to your campaign and to talk about the issues that are going on.
What we didn't realize was that she was upset over some issues, and she was going to take it out on myself and my daughter.
That's when it gets real.
And when the FBI got involved, when the Department of Justice got involved and this person was put away for that, it makes you understand that in our society we have freedoms because people are willing to stand up.
We have freedoms because you have the right to express yourself.
We have freedoms of the First Amendment so that you can get out there.
But we need to make sure that our elected officials Continue to promote issues and promote solutions and that people out there begin to learn that what's going on, why it's going on, and that violence is not the answer.
It is civil discourse.
It is the learning that we need to focus on.
And that is what will keep us as a great country as we have.
Why does this matter?
Well, the one thing that I'm getting concerned about is because I'm hearing more and more, especially on the conservative side, and you're seeing it on college campuses.
You're seeing it in meetings and school board meetings and council meetings.
You're seeing it in which conservative voices are being pushed aside.
And when you raise the level that anything you say is accused of being hate speech or anything you're accused of being a bigot or you're accused of being whatever name that they want to attach you to, Then what really the left is trying to do from conservative voices is to keep us quiet,
is to keep us out of the public place, out of the public spaces, and so that conservatism is not being voiced in the public square, and the media is not voicing that, and so that people are not seeing that actually there is an alternative, that conservatism is not about what it's been labeled as, but conservatism is actually about people.
It's actually about caring about a government that lives within its mean, a government that actually It's concerned about the communities that it's involved in making sure that everyone has the opportunity to be successful.
Remember, our Constitution And our founding documents all led to the point that the government was there to provide opportunities.
Remember the famous phrase that says, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, not the guarantee of happiness.
Our founding fathers would have found it abhorrent to believe that there was this equal equity portion of life.
They understood that not all the time was going to be an equal share to everyone, but everybody have an equal opportunity.
It's not equal outcomes, it's equal opportunities, because look, If the voice of conservatism is drowned out, then you're going to get bigger government, you're going to get more control, you're going to have people such as the Biden administration who offered up a board of disinformation to determine what was truth and what they were not going to say was truth.
When freedom of speech and freedom evolve, then you have to have voices.
And conservatives, you cannot back away from the public arena.
You cannot back away and say it's not worth it.
You cannot throw your hands up and say, look, I'm not going to deal with this anymore.
I'm just going to go live my life and go on.
Because if conservative voices are taken out and then some of these threats and these name-calling and everything else that goes on and the media is shunning, then, you know, you can...
You can easily get discouraged, but do not grow discouraged.
You've got to stay in this fight.
You've got to be there to actually get us through with conservative ideas, conservative values that actually can make a difference.
If we do that, then we're able to actually see what we can be as a country in which ideas are flourished, ideas are made, and that when we look ahead, we can know that these things that bind us together are the freedoms that the founding fathers gave to us.
This is what I wanted to emphasize to you on this point today.
That focus on freedom, our focus on growth, our focus on the joys that we have coming from this life.
Are from the founders that have gave us the ability to grow, gave us the ability to, you know, have and set out for us the freedoms that really found who are.
So fine, I can't just say this enough.
Conservatives don't get out of the marketplace.
Do not get into a place where you are not willing to grow.
And take care of your own political voice.
If you don't take care of your own political voice, then you're not going to be able to, you're going to get disappointed and you're going to pull back and the left will win.
Do not left the left win.
You've got to be active in this.
And again, civil discourse, being out there, making your voice known is the way to go.
Violence is never the answer in any of these.
And it is sad to see that when Any conservative slips up and says something that could be construed as agitating or looking to violence that the press and media jump all over it.
But as the examples that I gave you just a few minutes ago show that they seem to just turn a blind eye when it comes to the left.
So as we're discussing this issue of speech, one of the things that has been frustrating to many in Washington, D.C. and all across the country is the issue with the social media platforms and what's going on.
And talking about, as I sort of emphasize here on speech, and who's getting censored, who's getting not.
One of the big issues over the last few years, and I've been a victim of this as well, is Twitter, in particular, was determining what speech they liked and what speech they didn't like, and whether it be in the form of shadow banning or not being able to see some people that, you know, you would like to see or find them if you did a search.
Twitter was becoming not And especially the other social media, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook.
Remember, when they first were started, the idea was they were like the giant billboard in the library or in the fraternity hall or however you want to put it, that everybody could go up and put their message and everybody could read it.
That's the emphasis of free expression, free speech, that everybody could use the platforms to get messages out to the kids, put up a picture of their dog, make political statements, however you want to do it.
What happened as the systems developed and people were more and more unhappy about certain things being done, and we saw the bias that seemingly were developing in Twitter, Facebook, Google, especially the searches and others.
That what began to happen was instead of it being the bulletin board on the wall where everybody could go up and put their idea or their event or whatever it was, that the platform itself or in essence the billboard or the bulletin board itself was determining whose So if I went up and put a statement up saying,
I believe the United States is the greatest country in the world, and that was not in the algorithm or not in the political point of view that the bulletin board itself wanted, then somebody could come along and instead of putting their statement beside you, they would actually put their statement on top of yours.
So it may still be there, but people have to look for it or have to search for it.
All of this, and there's a lot more to delve into with the social media platforms and the algorithms, and it was always farcical to me to think that the social media giants would say, well, it's not us, it's our algorithms.
Folks, let me just remind you, algorithms are designed by humans.
The humans designed the algorithms.
The humans designed, you know, what is going to go out on these platforms.
And so, again, they can be used for great good, great, you know, help.
Facebook and others were able to, you know, help, you know, take down, you know, folks who are doing child pornography, child, you know, and adult trafficking.
They can monitor these networks.
They can see it.
It's amazing what they can see and amazing what they don't want to do.
I bring all this up to say, especially in this conversation of free speech and this conversation of growing, that Elon Musk's takeover of Twitter, this buying of Twitter, has piqued the interest of so many who had grown very cautious of social media.
I mean, again, you have the Growth of social media platforms that mimic Twitter, such as Getter and Parler, and now Truth Social, which is Donald Trump's social media platform.
But what was really interesting is when Elon Musk decided to take on Twitter, being one of the more prolific tweeters on there, one of the largest followings, to take it over, the left went absolutely crazy about this.
They could not stand it.
They thought free speech was over.
And again, it's amazing to me that when the first chance that somebody who may open it up and not discriminate against conservative viewpoints over liberal viewpoints, the first thing liberals want to do is say that there is a cover-up going on, there's discrimination going on, that free speech is in danger. there's discrimination going on, that free speech is in danger.
Free speech is actually encouraged to your folks.
So this whole podcast today, I want you to understand that free speech is encouraged with more.
The way you defeat and the way you have victory over other ideas is more speech.
If there's speech out there that you don't like, the way you overcome it is more speech by you refuting those ideas.
So when Elon Musk took over his idea to get into Twitter, it's been amazing to watch the reactions, both from the left and from the right.
Now, as we currently stand, the discussion of Twitter and the discussion of whether to actually be taken over by Elon Musk is still out there.
And one of it comes from something that many of us have dealt with before, and that's the rise of the bots or the non-person behind the Twitter account.
And if Elon Musk is looking to take the Twitter and make it profitable or more profitable, which it should be, then there's going to have to be ways of actually guaranteeing how many people could see an ad or see the for-profit postings upon Twitter.
And if there's more that are bots and not real people, then that can affect the value of the business.
So it's been interesting to see them go back and forth.
And as of the latest, just the last few days, Twitter is going to allow Musk to actually see the internal audits and the internal data On how many bots are actually there or not.
So it's going to be interesting to see if Musk actually takes us over.
If it does, then again, the true freedom of speech that you're looking for will be there.
Now, again, you're still going to have points of view, if there's threats, those kind of things are just not going to be on there.
But just simply having a post removed because you don't like the political persuasion of it or you don't like the atmosphere, as long as it's an illegal post to put out there, a legal say to that, then you're at least not going to have a company such as Twitter determining what is saying and what is not saying.
The social media giants, again, I believe, should live up to what they actually have said they're going to do.
And if they're not going to do that, that's when you end up with the problems that you see coming out of Congress with Section 230, which you hear a lot about, Section 230, that really holds them not accountable for things that are on their side.
Things are taken down or they do things that conservatives don't like and sometimes liberals don't like.
They try to hide behind Section 230 saying that, you know, look, this is, you know, people that are opposed and these are the standards that we have, also being a private company.
So these are just, I just wanted to do this podcast today.
Let's just get back to the basics and express your viewpoint.
Stay active.
Be out there in the communities.
Do the things that good politics always has, and that is expressing your views and talking your views to other people.
Don't be intimidated by the louder voices out there who will try and shut you down, who will try and tell you you don't need to do things.
You don't need to be a part of that.
You need to keep your voice out there.
And yes, there will be people who do bad things.
There are going to be people who attack others, such as the Kavanaugh incident, where you have a man who wants to kill a Supreme Court justice because of his views on abortion and gun control.
Folks, those are wrong.
Those people need to be put in jail.
They need to get the help that they need.
But this is not what free speech is about.
Free speech is not about violence.
Free speech is about being able to express your political views in a way that actually gets your information out there.
It actually helps you communicate your viewpoint to others.
And those things should never be shut down, whether it's in the political arena or on the social media arena.
So that's why, again, I brought it up.
Elon Musk shook up the world of social media right now in his takeover of Twitter.
We'll see if it goes through.
And if you don't like Twitter, then you go to the others.
Getter, Parler, Truth Social, all of them are out there.
You make sure your voice is heard.
And that is another time here on the Doug Collins Podcast talking about your rights and your values.
We look forward to seeing you again soon.
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