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First up today, we talk with Leo Terrell, one of our most popular guests, about how the FBI violated just basic legal norms and hundreds of years of precedent in the Trump reign.
He breaks down how the legal system is being used against Trump.
Welcoming back to the show, a fan favorite guest and a personal favorite guest, a man who's become a good friend and a loyal fighter for liberty and freedom, civil rights attorney, former school teacher and a great American, our good friend Leo Terrell.
Leo, thanks for joining us.
Dan, thanks for having me.
And before I say anything, I want to wish you and Paula happy 19th wedding anniversary.
Oh, thank you, buddy.
You know, you're a good man.
You got a good heart, brother.
I'm telling you, man.
Thank you for saying that.
It's going to mean a lot to her, too.
So thank you.
You really do listen to the show.
You heard that before.
I heard it.
And again, two great people.
19 more.
Thank you, buddy.
We hope so.
So, Leo, you know, you, unlike a lot of commentators out there in the media, have actually fought for civil rights.
You are a civil rights attorney.
So this Mar-a-Lago case has to particularly sting you.
We're now hearing, it came out today, That there may have been some attorney-client privilege documents in this taking, along with his passport.
This is kind of a, I mean, not kind of, it's a fundamental right in the United States, your right to an attorney.
I mean, well documented in the Supreme Court and prior precedent.
This is the kind of thing you would think in a raid on a former president's house, you would be extra careful in advance to not take this stuff if you were looking to be extra careful, which it appears they weren't.
This appears to have been some kind of general warrant, de facto-wise.
I agree with you, Dan.
Let me just tell you this.
I've practiced civil rights law for 30 years, and when it comes to search warrants, I take second to no one.
Just like you're an expert as far as police and Secret Service, this is my area of expertise.
And I'm going to tell you right now, if you look at this, and this is what drives me nuts about these commentators who claim to be lawyers, you cannot look at this as a criminal search warrant.
This is all political!
It is pure political, and these analyses that I see on TV drive me nuts!
You're talking about awards to the President of the United States, former President of the United States?
Where is the evidence?
There is a statement, Dan, that's called Assumption of Evidence.
Where is the evidence that the documents there were classified?
I want to talk to that magistrate.
I want to ask him, did you ask any of these questions?
Did you ask the investigating agent who submitted this declaration?
I want to see your note!
Did you ask the probing question?
How do you know these documents are classified?
Where's the foundational evidence?
They didn't do it.
They skipped past that.
You ask the question, I ask the question.
Here's a man who has the ultimate affirmative defense.
He has the power to declassify.
Where was the analysis saying, hey, when we check this out, we make sure this happens?
None of it.
And all these commentators, these lawyers, they just assume that they're classified.
Show me the evidence.
Yeah, and you're not in the assumption space, Leo, being a lawyer.
Courts are not about assumptions.
They're about documented facts and data points.
We're talking to Leo Terrell, by the way.
We're on KABC right now.
Leo has an amazing radio show on KABC.
You can listen at their website as well to Leo's show, and please do.
We love him out there.
But Leo, again, we're not in the assumption space.
And the problem I have with this case, along with a multitude of other things, is the ultimate declassification authority is the President of the United States.
So this is a hard enough case to make against Hillary Clinton, right?
I mean, it is difficult, even though we know she had classified documents, because you have to prove some kind of intent, right?
Not only would you have to prove intent here, that he intended to, you know, squirrel away these documents in violation of the law, But you have this unique problem with Donald Trump in that he was the president, and he is the one person who can declassify this, which creates an enormous obstacle to this case.
Dan, you're a lawyer.
You just graduated.
You're absolutely correct.
Here's the analysis.
The man, he has the greatest affirmative defense.
He has the ability, the power, unlike Hillary, who didn't have the ability, the power to declassify.
She, and let me make sure this is so important, if there's not this double standard argument that I've been hearing, and I know you've addressed it, there is no double standard.
This is about power and control by the Democratic left, who are, who's after Donald Trump for one reason.
They insult the intelligence of the American public.
They don't want him on the ballot because they are afraid, Dan, that we might elect
him.
So they're going to say, "We're going to take that right away from you."
You know what?
The rule of law, the most sacred aspect of any civilized country, is at issue here because
the left, those in office right now, they ignore the rule of law.
This is critical.
And I'll tell you right now, kudos to that judge who appointed a special master.
Because now there's a check on all those documents that are in the possession of the Department of Justice and the FBI.
Why they want to keep them and keep those documents?
Because they're looking for something else, Dan.
There's no Yeah, and Leo, you know, you've been following the President Trump for, you know, five, six years now.
You know the media and the deep state, which is real, has a long history of leaking any perceived negative information, true or false, about Donald Trump.
You know, listen, I believe in facts.
And yes, it is a fact that I don't know what's underneath the redactions.
That's a fact.
I don't know.
I haven't seen them.
I'm not in the FBI.
Is there a small possibility there's something in there that's, you know, pulverizing or damaging, as Kevin Brock, the former assistant director of the FBI, one of them said?
Yeah, of course, there's a possibility.
But based on a prior pattern of behavior, which matters both in court and in real life, You're trying to tell me that they leaked a bunch of lies about peepee tapes and all kinds of other nonsense and they have something underneath those redactions and somehow they're keeping it private for the first time ever to, what, preserve Donald Trump's reputation?
I mean, Leo, come on, man.
It doesn't, you know, it just doesn't fly.
Let me ride the train on this one.
There's no question about it.
They got nothing, Dan!
They got nothing!
Because you know what?
If they did, they would put it out there 24-7 on those far-left networks and publications to destroy him, to raise doubt.
They got nothing!
This is the typical analysis.
We're keeping this classified and we're redacting because we want to protect it.
That is just typical Boilerplate language used in every search warrant.
Boilerplate.
I want people to understand this.
They say it on all search warrants.
This case is so unique.
They don't have a framework for this, but they're using the boilerplate language to justify their conduct.
They got no evidence on him.
They got nothing.
This is to stop him from running for office.
We're talking to Leo Terrell.
I wish he was a lawyer.
I wish he was a lawyer and just tell the truth instead of stop playing this game.
Stop protecting the legal industry.
It's not the law that's being attacked here.
This is all political.
Yeah, amen, brother.
We're looking at Leo Terrell.
Leo has his own show on KABC.
Check him out on their website.
You'll really like it, I promise you.
Leo, you're kind of the perfect person here to comment on this specific question because you've seen the left and you've seen the right.
You were a civil rights attorney.
You were not a particularly hyper-partisan guy, but you've seen both sides of the aisle.
I think you'd agree with me that if someone came to you and said, Leo, listen, we're going to let you in on a little secret.
You can't tell anyone, but the Trump Justice Department, say Trump gets elected again in 2024, they don't really have a lot, but they're going to go after Antifa.
They don't think there's a crime committed, but you know, we don't like what they're up to.
And I don't, I don't like their tactics.
I think that's fairly obvious, but we don't really have a criminal case.
It doesn't really meet an evidentiary standard, but we're going to crack down on them anyway.
And we're going to go serve a bunch of search warrants.
Knowing you being a civil rights attorney, you'd be like, That's really a stupid idea in addition to an immoral and unethical one, even if you don't agree with their politics.
See, that's because we have standards.
But when it comes to the left, this is my proof that this is not about standards and hypocrisy, it's about hierarchy.
When you confront them and you say things like, Well, what if the roles were reversed?
They have no answer, like Rob Reiner and that Bill Maher cut this weekend when he's confronted about the Hunter Biden case.
He just tries to justify it, which says to me they're authoritarians in a hierarchy.
They don't care about hypocrisy.
It's a hierarchy.
They'll justify it any way they can, even doing verbal judo to do so.
You're spot on.
All they care about is power and control.
They don't care about rules.
They don't care about fairness.
Accusing them of double hypocrisy.
You're saying, you're crazy.
No, we don't even care about rules.
We don't care about hypocrisy.
They care about power, Dan, and they'll do anything.
Anything.
That's why if you're a conservative, you believe in principles, you believe in the Constitution.
The left don't, they don't care about law.
They just want power and they will do anything and everything, Dan, to maintain it and control it.
And you know what the biggest fear they have?
A guy named Donald Trump.
They're afraid of him and they are obsessed with him.
And if they had anything, anything of substance, the search warrant was three weeks ago.
Show it, they don't have it.
I wanna be clear about that.
They don't have anything at all.
Yeah, you're right.
We're talking to Leo Terrell.
Leo, last question.
I'll let you go.
We always appreciate you on the show here.
You know, you're a lawyer.
You've dealt with this a lot.
You know, my experience on the agent investigative side and with the NYPD both is in a case that's high profile like this, not all the time.
I don't want to sound in any way dispositive, but the overwhelming majority of time, a high profile case, which nobody doubts this is.
You would typically serve an arrest warrant and a search warrant at the same time.
The tell to me about this case that they had nothing, which is what you just said, and that's how I would segue to this, was the fact that they served a search warrant.
When you're serving just a search warrant, a high-profile case like this, it says to me you're on a fishing expedition because you don't have anything.
Typically in a high-profile federal case, you serve an arrest warrant because you've already built the case knowing there's going to be a public spotlight, media attention on it, unquestionably, but any case involving Donald Trump.
And then you serve the search warrant as kind of the icing on the cake.
You don't serve the search warrant to grab the cake mix to build the cake you don't even have.
That was the tell to me, having been a federal agent, that they've got nothing.
You went on a fishing expedition, praying to get an arrest warrant later, doing the whole thing essentially backwards.
Dan, that is the best question you've asked me today.
Because that is spot on.
You're going to search a so-called criminal or suspect home and leave him there?
You're just going to leave him there?
It's a two-fer.
You arrest the guy, you grab the documents, and you show the guy in an interrogation room you're a dead man.
They got nothing.
That is normal protocol.
But Dan, it goes back.
What you're talking about is normal procedure when you have a criminal case.
They don't have a criminal case here, dad.
It's a political case and it's without any legal foundation.
None.
Yeah, I think it backfired tremendously.
Poll numbers, you're seeing it in public support.
I think this is going to turn out to be one of the biggest mistakes.
And you know, in a country, Leo, That has had a hard time with a lot of the activities of the FBI.
And I might add, again, you haven't been a man of the left, and you know this better than anyone.
This is not unique to the right.
The left has had a lot of problems with the intelligence community, some of the things the CIA may have been up to, and a lot of things that the FBI was up to.
And now all of a sudden, they're heroes to them?
This is total nonsense.
But Leo, you've been generous with your time.
He has a great radio show on KBC.
Please check it out.
We're on that station too.
It's one of our favorites out in Los Angeles.
Leo, thank you so much.
We always love having you.
The audience loves you, so thanks a lot.
I love you, Truth Teller.
Thank you.
You're the best, buddy.
Thanks a lot.
Leo Terrell, a good friend of the show.
And he's right.
That's it, I'm telling you.
You serve in a case like this, you serve an arrest warrant, a search warrant at the same time, folks.
It's not, it doesn't, it doesn't have to happen that way.
It doesn't happen every single time, but in a high profile case like this, you better make sure your I's are dotted and those T's are crossed and none of this was happening.
This was a, this was a search warrant investigating a person in search of a crime.
That was Leo Turell.
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Here's Mark Levin, who gave some valuable insight into everything going on with the Trump raid and the Democrats' incredible attacks on his administration.
We also get into some stuff that happened to me and Mark personally.
You don't want to miss this interview.
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And listen, make no mistake, you'd be hearing none of that in the liners if it wasn't for our next guest.
He is the, quite simply, the most talented radio show host out there, a mentor to me, a guy whose show is a can't miss on television.
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Mark, welcome back to the show.
Dan, you are way too kind.
How are you, brother?
No.
No, I am not.
You are.
I would not be here without you.
I am great.
I am so deeply appreciative of your time.
I know you're really busy.
You've always got a lot going on.
And my audience is ecstatic you're going to be here based on the feedback on social media.
So I wanted to get right into it.
Your show this week was incredible.
Life, liberty, and the ratings were through the roof.
They were almost weekday primetime numbers.
I mean, that's how crazy it was.
And I think it's because of the interest in this dreadful Mar-a-Lago trademark.
You worked in the Attorney General's office in an upper level senior position.
This seems to me like this is exactly what the founders were trying to get away from.
General warrants and tyrannical type behavior.
You're 100% right.
This is actually fairly straightforward.
Fourth Amendment is very clear.
It requires particularity in terms of location and what it is you're looking for.
And who it is you're looking for, and you've dealt with the Fourth Amendment as a former law enforcement official, and it's right there in the Bill of Rights.
We know the history that the Crown used general warrants to try and roll up a lot of the revolutionaries.
A general warrant means you can really break into somebody's home and do whatever you want.
And so this really repulsed the colonists and repulsed the framers of the Constitution.
Was originally in the sixth amendment that they proposed to the states, which cut two of them out and then added, and then had the 10 amendments.
This was number four.
And it's very important.
You know, it doesn't just apply to mass murders and terrorists.
It applies to ex-presidents too.
And you can't roll into a master or magistrate or whatever they call them, which is shocking.
They don't go to a real article three life appointed judge.
You go in there with a search warrant.
You say, well, we're concerned about the classified information and so forth.
And then, by the way, everything else that's there, we'd like to scoop that up, too.
That is clearly unconstitutional.
And, Dan, I am so damn sick of these former federal prosecutors who go on TV like they actually know something.
No offense.
The Redeemment does, and they don't know a damn thing, including the Fourth Amendment.
So I don't want to see everything through the eyes of prosecutors.
I want to see things through the eyes of the framers of the Constitution.
This Fourth Amendment is not complicated.
And what they did at Mar-a-Lago is awful.
And number two, they had their subpoena.
The FBI was in there in June.
I'm sure they were armed.
Nobody was going to stop them.
They had access to the house.
They had access to the boxes.
They had access to the documents.
You think there's something so secret there, then take them.
Folks, a subpoena is not to go in and do a visual tour of Mar-a-Lago.
You have a subpoena to go get something or to interview somebody.
And they were in there.
So what the hell did they do?
And then they leave and the next few days they call back, and by the way, put another padlock on the door.
And then the next thing we know, they get a search warrant?
Are you kidding me?
This whole thing is lousy.
Yeah, we're talking to Mark Levin, the great one.
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Mark, you know, you brought up the federal prosecutors.
I agree.
I've texted quite a few of them.
I thought their their opinions were poppycock.
And one of the things I like about you is you don't hold back.
I or even people at the network we work in who I've had disagreements with on this issue who are defending the FBI here.
Um, this is obscene that the FBI, uh, interjected in this.
This is clearly a scenario where the FBI director should have made crystal clear they're a law enforcement investigative entity.
This is not a law enforcement matter.
It's clearly a dispute involving the Presidential Records Act.
There's no precedent for this.
But Ray just doesn't have the guts, Mark, and apparently no one else in the upper management of the FBI has the guts to tell Ray to grow the guts to do the right thing instead of the easy thing.
Gray should be working at the Department of Agriculture, sitting at a desk at the GS-13 level.
Nothing personal, but he's way out of his league.
I don't even know why he was chosen.
Look, did they issue a search warrant to go into Chappaqua and go after Hillary Clinton's server and records?
Of course not.
Did they issue a search warrant to go into James Comey's home?
He took documents home, including classified information.
Actually leaked some.
And of course not.
So what makes this difference?
What makes this different is it's Donald Trump.
And they know they'll have the media behind them and the Democrat Party and the RINOs behind them.
What they did here is grotesque.
The Presidential Records Act is not a criminal statute.
So they went looking for criminal statutes and they used the Espionage Act.
You can't use the Espionage Act against a former president.
When he left office, the second before he left office, I heard one of the former federal prosecutors say, the second after he left office, he was a private citizen.
Okay, but the second before he left office, he was the president.
And by his actions, if he took classified information, and this is something that creates a constitutional conundrum, and it's never been litigated, and you try to avoid those things, you know, but the second before, He was, uh, a private citizen.
He took documents with him, apparently probably didn't know much about them.
And so we know, we know from the past, the president can in fact declassify documents by his actions.
Just look at article two, section one, the first sentence, he doesn't have to fill out paperwork put out by a department or a subordinate.
That's not even in the constitution.
He's the commander in chief.
He is the executive.
You can't charge him when he's president for this.
So by action, he takes these documents.
And I would remind everybody, the archives has millions and millions of pages of the Trump administration documents.
They make it sound, oh, he's got 27 boxes.
27 boxes of what?
You know, it could be anything.
No, Mark, that's such a good point.
We're talking to Mark Levin.
Mark, that is an excellent point.
I was trying to make this, you give an analogous kind of story to a friend of mine the other day when I was saying how the presidential advance I did for Obama when he went to Indonesia We generated probably 50 boxes of paperwork on that trip alone.
The burn bags alone were probably about a thousand pounds of paper.
I'm not sure people who haven't worked in the government like you and I understand the volume of material generated by something as simple as a presidential trip.
And keep in mind, that was just the Secret Service paperwork.
Not the military, not the staff.
It's an obscene comment, 27 boxes.
It's just meant to aggravate.
But I wanted to hit on this because you and I have been victims of this in the past.
So, me and you have consistently, vigorously, robustly called for people, don't get baited into this violence stuff.
I mean, it's just, just go listen to it.
And yet every time we do it and we cite concrete examples of government abuse and calls for violence on the left, people like Davey Alba and others at the New York Times accuse us of inciting a coup and inciting a riot.
I don't know about you, Mark, but that really pisses me off like nothing else.
Well, let's consider this source.
You know, the New York Times supported Stalin.
The New York Times was supportive of the Third Reich.
This is a fact.
Their correspondent in Berlin was very sympathetic to Hitler.
The New York Times supported Castro, so three strikes and you're out.
And moreover, the New York Times has a habit of hiring freelancers who have this love affair with Adolf Hitler.
The New York Times has a lot of cleaning up to do.
It is a lousy, corrupt corporation.
That's what it is.
And it hires lousy, low IQ ideologues.
Like this Alba guy, and he's not alone.
You have to have a low IQ and be evil and nasty to work for the New York Times, like Maggot Haberman and the rest of them.
And this is why they endorse Democrats all the time.
They never endorse Republicans for president.
They're not going after Biden, the Biden crime family.
They're not even thinking about looking in the corruption, all the money that went into the Biden family from China and Russia and Ukraine.
I mean, last time I checked, Dana, isn't Biden the president?
What do you keep chasing Trump for?
But that's what's going on.
The New York Times is utterly and completely corrupt.
There's been many books written on their history.
And so, of course, they're going to try and stigmatize and characterize you and me.
But that's why I just don't care.
You know, who reads the damn New York Times?
Really nobody that I care about, to be honest with you.
You know what it is?
You've been in this business so long, your skin has probably grown thick to being called all these ridiculous, absurd things, but you know, I'm new to that.
I'm only here because of you and Sean and people who have helped me.
That's a fact.
And it's just, I really mean it, Mark.
I mean, you've known me as a friend, not just another radio guy.
I sincerely mean it for all the, you know, bluster and stuff.
And you know, I yell a lot on the radio.
I know you've never done that at all.
But I mean it.
I sincerely mean it from the bottom of my heart.
Once we cross that violence red line and we try to enact political change by guns and not by votes, there's no turning back.
I don't say that to my audience as some kind of silly virtue signals.
I'm not.
I really mean it.
And the fact that they turn around and weaponize that against us when we're sincerely trying to get this country to a place where we can have vigorous political debate without the threat of guns coming out like these Antifa and BLM And you should, because you and I believe in the civil society, and we emphasize the word civil, and we embrace scholars and philosophers and individuals in history who support that, who support a
An approach to humanism that doesn't involve iron-fisted, centralized, top-down authoritarianism.
And that's how you have a peaceful society.
We support federalism.
We support diversity.
We support mobilism.
We support all these things that lead to a civil, peaceful, happy society.
And there it is in the Declaration of Independence.
The Constitution is set up in a way to make sure that people have differences.
It means one person cannot control another.
The problem with the Marxist left and the Democrat Party, one and the same, they insist that we accept their beliefs as the truth.
So, a woman's not a woman, a man's not a man, you gotta use prona, and you better do it.
You and I, we don't, and the people listening, we don't conduct ourselves this way.
We don't even try to impose our will.
Yes, we believe strongly in morality, and faith, and family, and country, and our founding documents, and our history, because these are good things that lead to a prosperous, peaceful, participatory society.
But they don't.
The centralization of bureaucracy, the militarization of federal law enforcement, the obliteration of local law enforcement, the obliteration of sovereignty at the border, everything they do is intended to bring down the institutions and bring down the structure.
You and I and the people in the audience, we are arguing to defend the greatest nation on the face of the earth, not to destroy it.
Yeah.
No, it's so true, Mark.
And again, that's why you just said it so well.
Very eloquent.
It's why it's like a tick.
It burrows under my skin.
It drives me crazy.
Mark Levin, his show is Life, Liberty & Levin.
Folks, if you're missing out on it, it's a shame.
It is the best show on the weekend on Fox News.
Your show is great, too.
I don't know.
We're not doing that here.
No, because we're not lying.
I don't lie to my audience and I'm not going to lie.
I'm not starting today.
Oh, well, thank you.
I agree.
But it is Mark.
I mean it.
You have been a mentor to me.
I know you're very busy, folks.
Set your DVR Sunday night, 8 p.m.
Eastern Time, Life, Liberty and Levin.
The ratings this weekend, you can look them up.
It's all on social media.
We're insane because no one breaks this down better than you, Mark.
Thanks so much for your time.
I really appreciate it.
You're a good man.
You know, Dan, great Patriot, man.
I love you.
God bless, buddy.
Thank you, sir.
Love you too, pal.
Take care.
Man, I get all choked up with Mark, Jim, because Mark, uh, you know, there's a lot of things I don't talk about on the radio folks, but I assure you, I assure you it is a fact.
It is not my opinion that this show and Jim and Mike know it too, would not exist without Mark Levin.
That is a promise.
For a number of reasons.
He has been unbelievably generous to me throughout the course of my entire career with both his time and his advice.
And nobody knows this business better than he does.
Nobody.
He knows the names of just about every program director in the country.
You know why?
Because he cares about his craft.
He cares about this and he cares about this radio business.
And that's important to me.
He's been a good friend.
That was the great Mark Levin.
Up next is Congressman Chip Roy.
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Here's Chip Roy, he talked about how the federal government, he's a good guy by the way, he talked about how the federal government under the Biden administration is being used to target political enemies.
He was hot in this interview.
He talked about the student loan handout and a whole lot more.
Don't miss it.
I called it again.
Listen, the Stygian Witch's ability of this show.
Give me the eye!
It is just, I hate no self-praise thanks, but you're not wasting your time here.
What did I tell you about the whole nuclear thing?
Remember the nuclear story?
Trump had a nuclear weapon in the basement of Mar-a-Lago.
He was getting ready to detonate.
Remember that?
You didn't hear a lot about that?
Yeah, yeah, I was right about that.
Appears it was a letter he wrote to Kim Jong-un about, like, nuclear negotiations.
Like, hey, you know this nuclear thing?
That's why you haven't heard anything about it, as I says.
All right, let me get to my guest, one of our favorite guests.
We have a no-squish rule on the show, and Chip Roy is certainly not one of them.
Congressman Chip Roy, thanks for joining us.
Good to be on.
I hope you are healthy and well and just appreciate everything you are doing for this country.
Thank you, sir.
Well, thank you, sir.
Yeah, man, you as well.
You know, you were a tea party guy before the tea party was even a thing.
I mean, literally, you were you were one of these guys with Ted Cruz and others who started this whole thing.
And one of our you know, one of the things we had was the Gadsden flag.
Don't tread on me.
I don't know, Congressman, I feel like we're getting tread on a lot lately.
I mean, this raid in Mar-a-Lago, now that we've seen at least the unredacted and granted, point stipulated, we have not seen the redactions, you or I, I assume.
But we can read what's in it, and supposedly what's underneath it is just sources and methods, what we haven't seen.
What's just been released is, to call it an embarrassment, this is a tread on me moment.
It looks like a general warrant over a paperwork dispute.
I mean, I don't know what you've seen or haven't, it just came out, but am I missing something here?
Yeah, I haven't been able to study the specifics because I've been doing some other stuff today.
But I mean, look, I've known and we've seen the concerns about this being a general warrant from the very beginning.
And look, you're right about the point about the Tea Party and being a part of this early on.
The first chapter of a book I wrote with Governor Perry or helped him write was called America's Great Washington is Broken.
We wrote that 12 years ago because America is great, but Washington is trampling on us.
That's the whole point of Don't Tread on Me.
And look, the reality is right now, we've got to look beyond where we are in these election cycles to lead this country forward.
You know, this country turns 250 years old in July of 2026.
Now, are we going to pass down a free country to our kids and grandkids?
That's what should drive us.
Back to your point, the long train of abuses that the founders laid out in the Declaration, in my opinion, pale in comparison to the long train of abuses that are mounting up against the American people every day.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
getting screwed by paying off student loans to somebody else.
The individual who is getting screwed because the FBI is targeting them.
I met with Scott Smith.
You remember Scott, don't you?
The father in Loudoun County, Virginia, whose daughter was assaulted.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know the story.
So Scott is a good friend now.
I've come to know him since all of that story broke a year ago.
He was in Austin, Texas.
We had lunch the other day.
That is an American who was being targeted by the FBI, made the poster child for making threat tags for domestic terrorism because a parent dares to go to the school board and say, wait a second, my daughter shouldn't be raped in the bathroom.
Now you've got a former president of the United States being targeted by the FBI.
Now you have Zuckerberg actually admitting that the FBI, I think unconstitutionally,
abusing the First Amendment, told Facebook, "Hey, you need to stop putting any of this stuff out
about a hunter's laptop." We have an assault on the very well-being and freedoms of the American
people, and it is time for Republicans to find their dang balls and get up and fight. It's over.
It's game time. One of the reasons we constantly hear Jim's laughing, because we just love having
you on the show, we request your presence on the show is because you don't show any kind of fealty
to fake Republicans up on the Hill. You You'll go after a fake Republican as easily as you'll go after a Democrat.
And I really sincerely think we need more of that and we're never going to clean our own party up.
And I mean, what you just said is accurate to me.
What more evidence do we need of FBI malfeasance?
You know, Congressman, what are the hallmarks of Totalitarian authoritarian regimes throughout human history, the evidence, history books are clear, is they target people in search of crimes.
That's not what we do in a representative democracy.
We investigate a crime and then go look for the people.
That is so clearly what's happening right now with President Trump.
Just one more thing.
I don't want a long-winded question, but I'm not telling you Manafort and these people around them are all saints.
I'm not a saint.
Gosh, I probably ripped the mattress tag off.
You get the point.
What I'm telling you is these people were clearly targeted along with the president because they're threatened by President Trump and this entire movement.
There's no doubt about that.
No, there's no question about it, right?
And it's the FBI, for the examples we just discussed.
It's the DHS that is going after Border Patrol agents for doing their job at the border and then lying about it.
And now it's an Internal Revenue Service with $80 billion being put in place to go after you, all of you listeners out there.
Those are agents put in place to go after you, not for revenue, although they'll squeeze some revenue out of it.
That's what this is about.
It's about power.
Republicans have got to lay out an agenda.
They didn't, you know, I hear all this stuff about pocketbook issues and all that.
Yeah, I get it.
We want inflation to go away.
But if you want inflation to go away, then we need to get back to freedom.
And this government is assaulting your freedom.
There is a culture war going on.
And I'm not talking about your typical social issues.
I'm talking about the attack on the American way of life, the attack on American exceptionalism, the attack on your freedoms.
In the first 100 days of Congress, a Republican Congress should pass a 10-year balanced budget, restrict spending to stop funding these authoritarian bureaucrats, and we should refuse to fund government.
Refuse to fund it.
If we do not take operational control of our border, if we do not cut the authoritative state focusing on the FBI and the IRS, And if we do not stop the assault on American energy that's driving up oil and gas and funding our enemies, and we should end the vaccine mandate, then if Republicans can't pledge to do that, then screw them.
They're not actually fighting for you.
Man, if we only had about a hundred more like you, it would be able to pull the entire caucus over.
We just don't.
I know there are a lot of good people.
You're not the only one, but you're one of them.
But we just don't have enough.
Let me move on to a couple different topics while I got you.
You were as annoyed, Producer Jim was following your social media feed on Twitter before we came on.
And coincidentally, I was talking about when I opened up the show, The disgusting tweets coming out of the White House attacking Republican members of Congress who are legitimate business owners, who were shut down by the government's unconstitutional lockdowns, who then were the recipients of PPP, which by the way was bipartisan,
Because the government shut their businesses down, they wanted to keep their people employed.
They're attacking your colleagues for this program and conflating it with their lack of support for this unconstitutional student loan bailout.
I cannot think of a more cynical, disgusting thing.
You were unloading on these idiots for this before.
This is really a new low for this disaster in the White House.
You can't even put it into words.
For the listeners out there, a little, you know, stroll down memory lane.
Leftists came forward with this massive CARES Act, which then funded people not to work.
Republicans said they would fight it, and then you, as they usually do, they crawl up into the corner, whining and simpering, that they couldn't fight to stop the plus-up in unemployment spending that has caused our economy to get absolutely wrecked while we shut down and then pay people not to work.
In the process, They passed the PPP.
It was imperfect.
It was a mess.
But I'll tell you what, in the face of a government using the power of government to shut down small businesses, it was at least something to try to keep some of these people afloat.
So some people take advantage of something that was voted on by Congress in order to keep their business afloat, while a bunch of crybaby ninnies shut your government down and shut the biggest economy down in the history of the world.
And then these leftists come up And they say, oh, oh, this is hypocritical.
You took out a loan, a loan that Congress voted on, and that they knew what the deal was with taking the loan out to get it paid back beforehand.
Instead, you got a bunch of Ivy League leftists who got a sociology or a gender studies degree sitting in their parents' basement.
They can't get a job, and now they need to have their loan, quote, paid off.
On the back of a plumber who started a business or a responsible student who actually paid his or her loan off.
I am so sick of this garbage and so are the American people.
But that doesn't do enough.
We have got to get a Republican Party who will stand up and do what they said they would do and stop this and fight it and care more about freedom than their damn job.
They got to go fight.
Yeah, I mean, the Founding Fathers never envisioned it being this way.
They envisioned dignified people who go up to the hill and jealously guard their power in a checks and balances system, not delegated to Biden.
I mean, how Democrat members of Congress aren't in a full revolt over Biden taking the power of the person, literally.
I mean, he's just spending money he can't.
It's absurd.
Let me ask you a couple other questions.
You're up there on the hill and, you know, you're one of the members up there I feel has a genuinely good Fingertip on the pulse of what Republicans are thinking.
This 2022 election cycle, there have been predictions of a huge tidal wave.
I have to tell you, being candid with you, I'm not as optimistic anymore.
I'm not.
I think we're going to do okay.
I hope we do okay.
I've been encouraging my, begging my listeners to please get out and vote.
But I think telling people it's going to be a tidal wave is not doing us a public service anymore because some people may think, oh, well, I don't need to vote then.
We did not have a great result in New York 19, that Molinaro race, which was a special election for Congress.
We should have won that seat and we didn't.
I mean, I'm not as optimistic and I think we're not doing any favors by telling people it's going to be some landslide.
You know, sometimes fear can be a powerful motivator.
You better get out and vote and we may not, we may lose.
There's no question on that last point, okay?
Every listener out there, if you don't show up, if you don't knock doors, if you don't talk to your friends around the dinner table or your church groups or your, you know, local organizations, if you don't talk to everybody you know to get out and vote, we may not take the house back.
And then you've got two more years of this garbage.
But I'll tell you this, I didn't think three months ago that we should all be talking about a big tidal wave, nor do I think right now, oh my God, the sky is falling.
I believe in the long haul nature of a campaign and that there's time and we gotta drive out voters.
But I'll tell you this, you don't win based on the fact that you're counting on voters to be mad at the other guy.
You win by going on offense.
And unfortunately, Republican leadership is not doing that.
A lot of my Freedom Caucus colleagues are.
I'm trying to put stuff out there, but you need leadership to galvanize that, get everybody behind it, and have 200 of us standing on the steps of the Capitol making a solemn promise that we're going to take this damn country back.
We're going to do it for all of the founders.
We're going to do it for our granddads who stormed Normandy.
We're going to do it for the cops that are out there on the beat getting persecuted.
We're going to do it for the kids who did it all right and are getting screwed while we pay off the loans of a bunch of Ivy League leftists.
We're going to do it for the men and women in uniform who are getting fired because they refused to take a jab.
We're going to go fight the authoritarian state.
We're going to stop spending money we don't have, we're going to secure the border, and we're not going to turn this country over to leftists.
I want leadership to stand on the steps of the Capitol and say that.
But I can promise you, I'm going to keep saying it.
Yeah, I know you will.
And I really wish others would, you know, for love him or hate him, man, Gingrich had the right idea with the Republican Revolution.
You go out there and put a contract on paper, whether they followed through or not, they, you know what, that's a different story for another day.
But I agree, you got to produce something positive.
Last question, I'll let you go.
We're talking to Congressman Chip Roy, one of the good guys.
Congressman, the student loan program is an abomination to humankind.
It is the single most grotesque act of the Biden administration.
So, well, outside of Afghanistan, that was deadly.
But this is really horrible.
We have a student loan repayment program.
It's called get your freaking ass a job and go to work.
We have that now.
How we're explaining to truckers and oil field workers in your great state of Texas That they're busting their asses right now to pay off Lawrence Tribe students in Harvard graduate degrees in law is really a stunning act of FU to America like I've never seen before.
And I'm assuming your Freedom Caucus colleagues feel the same way.
Well, look, you just said it.
I don't know how to say it any differently.
I'm getting a lot of outrage among the constituents that I represent.
I'm seeing it all across the country.
I just hope people channel that outrage into taking their country back.
It is completely wrong.
I was talking to a guy just the other day, the day before yesterday.
He started a business.
He's a plumber.
His brother went to college.
Why would we say that we're going to give money to the second person and leave the first person stranded?
Or the kid who went to college and did it the right way?
Or my staffer, who chose to go to a more affordable college than the one she would have preferred, who worked her way through college to minimize debt, took out a few loans and paid them off quickly, figuring not taking trips, not spending money, and now she's paid off her loans, and now the idiot down the street who went off to Europe, went to an expensive college, And now it's getting $10,000.
That is bullcrap, and the American people know it.
Yes, it is.
Congressman, I gotta run.
Thanks for fighting a good fight.
You're always welcome on the show.
Thanks for your time.
Hey, God bless you.
Keep it up, and thanks for everything you do.
Thank you, sir.
Congressman Chip Roy, one of our favorites.
You can see why.
By the way, me and him both dealt with the same health crisis and me and him both got the same medical advice.
I'm not kidding.
It's not a joke.
Keep your stress level low, at least inflammation.
Jim's like, I haven't even said the punchline.
Yes, we both have clearly ignored our doctor's advice.
I'll be right back.
That was Chip Roy, up next is Jared Kushner talking about his new book, Breaking History.
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Here's Jared Cushman.
We talk about some of the incredible accomplishments of the Trump administration, the Middle East peace deal, and we address my disagreement with him over criminal justice reform.
But we had an interesting conversation about his book, Breaking History.
All right, you know, I always like behind-the-scenes accounts, and not just of high-profile things like the operations of the White House, but anything.
I mean, I remember when I wrote a book early on, The Life Inside the Bubble, one of the books that was doing really well on the charts was written by a flight attendant, and it was the behind-the-scenes of what, international flights or something?
People just like to see behind-the-scenes.
There's no better book out than Breaking History about that, and it's written by a friend of mine who is on the show right now.
Welcome to the show, Jared Kushner.
Jared, thanks for joining us.
Thank you, Dad.
It's great to be with you.
So congrats on the book.
It's been a tremendous success, despite liberal efforts to destroy you with all kinds of personal insults.
People seem to be really interested in your take.
Now, you were there for all the big moments.
I want to go through many of them, which you describe in the book.
But the obvious one, I think you had your brain, your arms and legs and limbs in the most was the Middle East peace deals.
You know, we've been told forever, Jared, that this was impossible by people who had allegedly tried it, that it wasn't going to happen.
And yet it did happen.
And it happened with multiple countries.
Walk us through what the book says about that and the genesis of that whole thing.
First of all, great to be with you.
I read a lot in the book about the Abraham Accords.
Obviously, when I was in the White House, my job was mostly behind the scenes.
President Trump tapped me to go figure out something in the Middle East.
Maybe he thought it couldn't get any worse than it was at the time.
If you remember, ISIS was running rampant.
They'd just given $150 billion to Iran and a nuclear glide path.
President Trump basically told me to go speak to all the leaders, try to come up with a fresh approach.
President Trump was an outsider.
Businessman, results-oriented.
I was also from the private sector.
And he said, this thing shouldn't be broken forever.
We have to find a way to get people together.
We believe that that piece was really about helping people find a way to come together and to have a better future.
And so, ultimately, we were able to create the Abraham Accords, which got Israel and the United Arab Emirates and then Bahrain and Sudan and Kosovo.
and morocco to make a peace agreement which is now allowing for jews and
muslims in the middle east uh... to do business together to to fly from country to
country to get to know each other
uh... which hopefully will reduce a lot of the need for americans to send their their their their sons and
daughters over there in wars and it's bringing you know people in the least that
that nobody thought was ever possible to get it taken out by the late president
trump had to make that happen
And in my book, I really, again, it's not a simple explanation because it's a very, very complicated deal, but I tried to really explain to people all the different things we tried to get there that ultimately led to its success.
We're talking to Jared Kushner, author of the new book, big success, Breaking History.
Jared, one more question on this before we move on to some other stuff, the book covers.
But do you find that this deal, the importance of this deal, because it was by many, of course, on the left, it was downplayed.
Oh, look, they're smaller countries, whatever.
But that's not the point.
The point here is we were told forever that any peace deal, told by John Kerry, who's literally on tape on video saying it, forget it, not possible.
That it provided a template and kind of a signal to other larger, more influential, primarily Arabic countries to say, hey, we can do this too.
Look, it happened there.
You know, the point is not to go and, you know, if you're going to eat an elephant, how do you eat it?
Right.
Not one bite at a time.
It provided that template for the future for other administrations if they wanted it.
Is my analysis off on that?
No, it's actually spot on.
And again, you know, one of the reasons I think your viewers love listening to you is because you bring the common sense approach.
President Trump brought common sense and pragmatism.
And if you think about the last six months of his administration, he had six peace deals in the Middle East.
And so now with countries like Saudi Arabia, it's a matter of when and not if they're going to do it.
And unfortunately, this administration, which has just been a disaster with their foreign policy, has not taken up the approach that President Trump took.
I mean, they squandered the opportunity with Saudi Arabia.
Hopefully, they can get it back.
But by running to Iran, they're just making it less likely they'll get peace deals done than not.
But again, I'm hopeful that that common sense will prevail and they'll come back and try to pick up the policies that President Trump started in the Middle East.
Yeah, I'm hoping too.
It just seems like we're going in the opposite direction now, especially with the Iran deal.
We're talking to Jared Kushner, author of the new book, a bestseller.
It's called Breaking History.
Breaking History.
Go check that out.
Jared, you must have been frustrated at times in the White House dealing with just the, I mean, the media coverage.
We can all agree the media doesn't like Republicans.
OK, we get that.
Um, but I, I was, well, you know, worked in the Bush administration.
I remember the Cindy Sheehan's and the code pinkers and, you know, they call Bush a liar and a murderer and all that stuff.
That was pretty just much standard for the course, but it was different with president Trump.
I think we can all agree with that.
It was just geometrically worse with him.
You're dealing with the Mueller probe, this litany of lies, just leaks of that, how to make it really tough inside the white house to, you know, every day to try to get things done when you're spending 25, 30% of your time.
Answering media nonsense.
So that's actually the great tension of the book is that you have on the one hand, you're being constantly attacked by the investigations, the false narratives, the impeachments.
But then at the end of the day, facts do matter.
And President Trump got a ton of things done.
So the question is, how did he get done the trade deals, the peace deals?
The economy was rocking.
You know, inflation was low, wages were rising, unemployment was at a 50-year low, gas prices were low.
So how did President Trump get all of that done in a historically complicated environment?
And, you know, the thing that actually I write a lot about in the book is the Russia investigation and what it was like to be accused of treason with Russia and having to do the testimony with a special counsel.
And I will say at the time, Dennis, that there were very few people who were willing to go out publicly and say that the media was full of crap.
And that they were wrong, this made no sense, and you were one of them.
And again, my eternal gratitude for you for being one of the people out there saying that.
Because I was being accused of saying the whole media, all these establishments that I thought were real, like CNN and the New York Times and the Washington Post and MSNBC, every night or I turn them on or every day I'd pick them up and I would see that they were saying that the news is closing, we're closer to proving that there was collusion between Trump and the Russians and Jared was involved.
And I knew it was crazy, but there were very few people willing to stand up and say that.
And, you know, again, we got a lot done, but we had to endure these onslaughts, and we had to prove these things wrong, which was a very, very complicated thing to do.
Yeah, I mean, the idea of justice was inverted on its head.
You guys were guilty until you proved you're innocent, and it's almost impossible to prove a counterfactual, Jared.
I mean, you know, I always use this example whenever I'm on TV on Fox about how ridiculous what you all had to deal with in the White House was.
You have Hillary Clinton on one hand, her and her team dealing with a known foreign intelligence agent, Christopher Steele, who claims to be getting information from Russia.
I mean, that literally happened.
And then you have Don Jr.
and Eric involved in a real estate empire.
They do real estate, Jared.
And they're like, hey, they were going to build a building in Moscow.
OK, is it illegal?
No.
And they're in the real estate business.
Yeah.
So let me get this straight.
That's colluding with Russia.
By the way, a building that was never built.
But actually colluding with a guy claiming he's getting information from Russia.
That's not collusion.
I mean, that's got to make you want to pull your hair out at times.
Yeah, well, it was just absolutely crazy.
But, you know, the reason why I did this book is I wanted people to understand what it was like to be in that White House during that time.
Because, you know, people obsessed about the Trump administration.
Everyone's got an opinion, positive or negative.
But I want people to understand what was actually happening there.
And you think about Overcoming these investigations, you know, we had to learn to compartmentalize it because we could have spent all of our time focusing on them.
But instead, we said, you know, President Trump, I give a lot of credit for saying, OK, we can deal with this, but we have to figure out how to get things done, keep our promises to the American people.
And he really did do that.
So that's really what I tried to describe.
And again, the first, you know, kind of quarter of the book is really about the first year.
And obviously the investigations and all the things we were accused of, but we learned a lot by going through that.
And I think that that made us better and got us to be more effective as we went forward.
We're talking to Jared Kushner, author of the bestseller, new book out, Breaking History.
Check it out.
It was inside the White House.
You want a behind-the-scenes take?
Everybody loves that.
Check out the book.
Jared, it's a bit of a fluffy question, forgive me, but it's just a personal one for me because I remember being a young agent and, you know, you're in the Secret Service.
Very few guys, as you know, are on the president's detail.
Most guys are actually out in the field investigating counterfeit and things like that.
And the first time I went to the White House and was shown around as an agent, and you're actually there, you're in the diplomatic reception room, the East Room, you know, you're upstairs near the residence.
There's just this overwhelming feeling of, my gosh, you're surrounded by not just history, but the most profound moments in history.
I mean, it's one thing to stand at the corner of Wall and Broad and be like, gosh, all the financial deals that went down here, right?
It's a whole other thing to sit inside the East Room and be like, my gosh, some of the biggest, most important speeches in American history We're giving right here.
When you guys went in the White House, you and Ivanka and the family for the first time, and it's, you know, he's sworn in, he's the President of the United States.
Did that kind of cloud of history encompass you?
Like, my gosh, is this special?
Like, really special?
So there was a couple of seconds of that, because obviously it's this building you hear about.
It's got all the awe of it, and it really is a spectacular place.
And I tried to really, in the book, bring people into the different rooms and share what it was like to be there, how it smells, how it feels.
But the thing that we had when we got there was we realized, okay, now we have to run a government and you're playing with live ammo and, you know, you don't want to be attacked by another country and you just got to get to work.
And, you know, one thing with Trump, again, is he wasn't there on a vacation.
He was there to get things done.
And so he increased the metabolism of government.
He was a very, very demanding boss and he wanted us to just get to work right away.
So, again, it took us a while to figure out how the place worked.
Again, Trump We joked that the first night he ever slept in Washington was actually in the White House, right?
He was never a governor or mayor or senator, and so a lot of it for us was figuring out how to work the levers of power and how to find the right people to ultimately implement his vision.
But it was an amazing place, and I think for our children to be able to get to see the White House and have experiences like the fireworks on the 4th of July and Every time that they would come to visit mom and dad at work, they'd get to run into the Oval Office and get, you know, Grandpa always had Hershey kisses for them that he would give.
So, you know, there was a lot of very sentimental moments there as well.
And it really is a spectacular place.
And I would be remiss if I didn't mention, you mentioned the Secret Service agents.
They were some of the most unbelievable people to work with.
Incredible, dedicated public servants that do a lot of work behind the scenes that they don't get enough credit for.
And believe me, they appreciated you and the family.
I can tell you that from first-hand experience.
Jared, my only beef with the administration, I've said this to President Trump, and one
thing I disagreed with, and I've always appreciated by the way, the perception of President Trump
is he demands fealty and loyalty or you are banished from the kingdom.
One, that's crap.
That's just stupid nonsense.
Anyone who knows him knows he's like the most forgiving guy ever.
I mean, seriously, he is.
He'll forgive anyone.
He just is that type of guy.
I wasn't a big fan of criminal justice reform.
I said it on my show.
You were.
You and the president.
You got it through.
You pushed it through.
I know you talk about it in the book.
The book is Breaking History.
But I want to give you an opportunity to make your case behind the scenes.
Why was this so important and something you and the president focused on?
So for me, it was a very personal thing that I'd lived through.
I write in the book about how my father was arrested, he went to prison, and through that experience, it opened my eyes to meeting people who I hadn't met before.
I felt like our criminal justice system, you know, when you have prosecutors who have unlimited power and unlimited resources and are politically motivated, I don't think that justice is always applied equally.
Again, I think we still have the best system in the world but it's it's not always fair and then when you think about our presence our country has four percent of the world's population in twenty five percent of the prison population and when you look at who's committing crimes in our communities most of these are people who have been in prison before so the criminal justice reform actually started uh... under governor rick perry in texas as a conservative policy where he basically said
We know where a lot of our future criminals are coming from.
They're in our custody now in prison.
So we have a choice, right?
We can either, you know, let them go back and so then they have a criminal record.
Often they have substance abuse issues or mental health issues.
Or we can try to incentivize them while they're in prison to get job training skills and deal with whatever issues they have.
And so these issues were proven in the states over time.
Governor Perry in Texas, Governor Deal in Georgia, Governor Brown back in Kansas all implemented it.
and what it ended up doing was was two things number one is it like the last
people in prison uh... because it is so it's a lot of money but more
importantly it led to reductions in crime and what would appeal to president
trump again because he was
uh... you know much about it at first but i think people inside the debate about it because then he
had people against it and he gave everyone uh... audiences to go through it
with somebody said to him look you you campaigned that you were gonna fight for the
forgotten men and women of this country and nobody's more forgotten or underrepresented
than the people in And he believed that people shouldn't be judged by the worst mistake they make, and a lot of the instances of people who he's given second chances to, they've gone on to live productive
Lives, and that's just, I think, a very, very nice thing.
So, I think it's done well.
Now, the one thing I will say, the critics of it call it things that it's not, right?
You know, insulting police officers, it's not about that.
All of the police groups, like the FOP, the IACP, they all supported this bill.
And then in addition to that, it's not the bail reform that's happened in a lot of these communities that has led to upticks in crime.
So, it was a very targeted policy that was supported by law enforcement that led to a reduction in crime.
Jared, I appreciate sincerely you defending your position.
I want to get a plug in for the book again.
The book is called Breaking History.
It's a bestseller.
People seem to really, really enjoy it.
Jared, thanks a lot for coming on.
Been a good friend.
Really appreciate it.
Best of luck with the book.
Thank you, Dan.
It's really great to be with you and thank you for everything you do and everything you fight for.
Thanks, my friend.
Take care.
Jared Kushner, folks.
The book is called Breaking History.
Check it out.
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We got to take a break.
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That was Jared Kushner.
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