Dan talks with Rick Harrison of Pawn Stars about his best and worst deals, and what goes on behind the scenes when shooting the show. Next is Dr. Steven Quay, a virologist who has studied what exactly has been going on at the Wuhan lab and reveals that the Chinese may have been working on a virus called Nipah, which has an 80 percent mortality! Finally, Dan talks to Matt Walsh of the Matt Walsh Show and the Daily Wire about how the woke mob and the media are teaming up to destroy people. We discussed the firing of John Gruden and a horrible story out of Louden County where a father was arrested for trying to get answers about why a boy in a dress was allowed in the ladies bathroom to sexually assault his daughter.
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First up today is an interview with Rick Harrison from one of my favorite shows in the History Channel, Pawn Stars.
Pawn, P-A-W-N.
We talked with Rick about his best and worst deals and what goes on behind the scenes.
It's a great interview.
One of my favorites.
Check this out.
Yeah, here he is.
All right.
I want to welcome to the show a guy I've become a big fan of.
I am addicted to the show, Pawn Stars on the History Channel.
Rick Harrison.
Rick, welcome to the show.
Thanks for having me.
Yeah, Rick, listen, I am seriously addicted to the show for a couple of reasons.
One, you guys are just really entertaining to watch, but second, I'm not kidding when I say this, it's a hugely educational show.
I mean, when you're done with the show and people come in with these items they want to pawn or sell, old guns, comic books, I mean, everything, these antiquities, I feel like I actually learned something on your show.
You guys do a great job.
I try to do that all the time.
It's one of the reasons why it's so successful.
People love to learn history.
They just don't like to learn it from a professor.
They like to learn it from their uncle and laugh a little bit.
That's a great point.
It is.
You make it fun.
There's always chew.
The suspense.
You know, before I get to that, I've been dying to ask this.
We're talking to Rick Harrison.
He runs Gold and Silver Pawn Shop, and he's the star with Chumlee and others of Pawn Stars.
How did it all start, Rick?
I mean, did History Channel just call you one day and say, hey, listen, you know, we were in your pawn shop, and we think it's a really cool place, and we want to put you on TV?
Like, how did this all start?
I mean, for lack of a better term, I was always a media whore.
I mean, everything I got pre-pressed was good for business.
So, like, I had PBS do a documentary on me.
I'd always put my Super Bowl rings on eBay right before the Super Bowl, so people would be calling me up, reporters would be calling me up, I'd get some news articles on them.
So, like, 17 years ago, I'm thinking, like, hey, if I get one of these reality shows, get a season or two, it'd be really good for business.
So I pitched it for four years and it finally got on the air.
The website, folks, if you want to check it out is gspawn.com.
We're talking to Rick Harrison, host of Pawn Stars.
It is a great show.
I love the suspense portion of it, Rick.
People bring stuff in and listen, how your body of knowledge about this stuff, how you've kept it all in your head, you seem to know a little bit about everything.
But they come in with everything from sneakers to stuff, and there's always that suspense.
Is it real?
Is it not?
Especially when it comes to autographs or things.
Do you get that a lot where people bring stuff in and they think it's real, they think it's a big payday?
I mean, is it 50% or more people where stuff is just fake?
Especially, let me leave it one specific, especially when it comes to autographs and stuff, which you know is an area can be rife with fraud.
Are they frequently disappointed to learn, hey, that's not real?
Oh, like with autographs, 90% of the time they're fake.
I mean, it's like, a girl would go to a concert and there's like the roadie there on the side of the stage, and like, they want to get something signed, I'll bring it backstage to get it signed for you.
You know, and he goes around the corner and signs it.
Signs it himself, right?
Yeah, I mean, it's just, it happens all the time.
I mean, like, the guy was in the shop yesterday and he's Got a deed for some property that was written up in 1790 and he thinks it's worth a fortune.
I'm going like, no one throws away a deed to a house.
There's a gazillion of these things.
It was just someone throwing the files and no one buys these.
Yeah, you know, in the business you're in, we're talking to Rick Harrison from Pawn Stars here, you know, I'm friendly with a lot of people who are FFLs and firearm dealers, and in that type of business, you really have to get good quickly at reading people.
And you know, my prior line of work, I did this whole, you know, secret service thing, and we had to be good at that too.
I mean, you get thousands of threats, you had to be good at quickly determining what was a real threat and what wasn't, or you'll be out all day investigating a bunch of nonsense.
But do you find yourself, over time, that some of your employees are just better at this?
That they're just good at spotting people who are, you know, trying to be scammers right away?
Guys who just get it from doing it over and over again?
They just have a knack for this?
Um, yeah, I mean, I got a lot of good people who work for me for a very long time, and it's just, uh... And, you know, I mean, quite honestly, 90% of the people are not trying to scam you, it's just that...
It was like the telephone game you played in kindergarten.
You know what I mean?
The story came down to the family for the past 80 years, and their item just got better and better and better and better.
So when they bring in Grandma's diamond ring that was supposed to be the perfect diamond, I said, no, it's a terrible diamond.
Grandpa was cheap.
They get mad at me.
I could imagine that probably disrupts their whole worldview.
They've held this forever.
We're talking to Rick Harrison.
Rick, when you're in the shop, how do you prevent people?
I assume they have a team on there, the history channel.
I mean, if I were in there, listen, I love the show.
I'm a fan boy of it.
I'm not trying to hide it.
I enjoy when, when my producer Jim said they had you on the show, I was stoked.
Because I'm really, you can probably tell by the tone, I'm more of a fan than anything.
But how do you keep people in the shop from, you know, mugging for the camera and just making it look weird?
I mean, I know that's what I would do.
I would be the guy creeping in the back of the shot like waving.
Do they have people telling everyone like, folks, just get out of the way, do your thing, stop mugging for the camera?
Oh, we seriously limit the amount of people in the shop when we film, and then we explain to them really quickly, you bug for the camera, you're not going to be on television, you're going to be kicked out of the store.
This is your chance to be on Pawn Stars.
Don't blow it.
Jim, it's over.
Producer Jim, it's over.
That would be me.
That would be me.
I would be in the store in the background waving.
I would.
I just, I love the show.
Just so you know, the camera's got laser beams in it.
If you look into it, you're real blind.
Does that work?
Most people are pretty good about it.
It's a big deal they get to be on the show so they really appreciate being on the show to begin with.
So, another question I've been itching to ask for a long time.
Have you ever been really burned by something, where you invested a lot of money, whatever it may be, some document, an autograph, some antique, and you guys swore it was real, someone told you it was real, you had it verified, whatever it may be, and then you find out later it's a fake, and then you're stuck with this thing.
I mean, I gotta assume in the years you've been in business, that this had to have happened a couple times.
It's part of the nature of the business.
I mean, no guts, no glory, you know?
And so there's been a few times been burned.
There's been like, you know, like pawn shops in Vegas are so un are massively regulated.
I mean, when you come into somebody, it's something it's ID.
I get your thumbprint.
I turned all your information and what you've bought.
I bought off you to the FBI and the, and the Metro.
And occasionally, you know, like some, I mean, like the most,
you think that's the most legitimate person in the world.
They ended up selling you out, stolen stuff.
I mean, like one time I got burned $40,000 on a pair of earrings.
You know, this guy's on camera and everything else.
Was it just that they were fake?
Is that what it was? It was just fake.
It wasn't their jewelry.
Wasn't authentic.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah. I mean, and every once in a while I'll buy something and.
You know, I think everything's right.
You know, I get burned, but like I said, it's part of the nature of the business.
It's less than 1% of the business, but it happens.
Yeah.
Sometimes you just go with your gut.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've noticed, like I said, I watch the show all the time.
I sit there sometimes on weekends and just scroll through it on demand and, you know, knock through like five, six episodes a day.
One of my favorite episodes was the, uh, the episode with the Hulk Hogan plushie thing.
I forget what the story was.
It was your son.
Was it, was it Corey's or something like that?
And, and it had disappeared.
Corey had one of those dolls when he was a kid.
And he loved it to death.
When I saw Hulk Hogan when I was at this event in Chicago, I got Hulk Hogan to sign it for him.
Because when he was growing up, like you said, the big autographs, when he was really young I had one of his press photos and I just wrote, to my Hulkster, Corey, on it.
And it was the most prized possession.
So he's like 16 years old and he's taking it off the wall and I'm like, you threw it away, it's not real.
And it was funny because I watched the Hulkster there and he was a fan of the show, too.
I mean, he came up to you and he's like, hey, I watch this show all the time and you look kind of surprised.
You're a very recognizable guy.
You probably get approached everywhere now.
It's probably hard to go out in public without people looking for a selfie or something like that, I'd imagine, right?
It's not as bad in Vegas, but like everywhere else in the world, it's crazy.
I mean, I've been mobbed in Kuala Lumpur.
Really?
Oh, Kuala Lumpur.
Yeah.
Well, listen, the show's popular.
It's really weird about the show.
I mean, like, it's one of the reasons why I'm filming season 19 right now.
It translates very, very well.
I mean, I'm in 150 countries, 38 languages.
I mean, I used to be the number one show in all of South America.
I think I'm number four after 19 seasons.
Still down there.
We're talking to Rick Harrison, host of Pawn Stars on the History Channel, one of the best shows on television.
Seriously, folks, you will learn a lot.
It's entertaining, but hugely educational at the same time.
Rick, it says on, I was looking on the website, you guys are open 24 hours.
I mean, it is Vegas, right?
Do you get some strange stuff at like 3.30 in the morning where, you know, a guy comes in and he's like, ah, I've had enough of this Rolex.
You want this?
I was the first 24-hour pawn shop in the United States.
Really?
Yeah, so when I got my pawn license way back in the day, which is a completely different story, but I figured, yeah, I'll be open 24 hours a day.
I've got to make money.
There's a bunch of other pawn shops in Vegas that are open now.
So basically I have a bank teller window at night and people come in all night long because they don't want to party yet.
Yeah, Rick, listen, next time I come out, I would love to stop.
I'll buy something.
There you go.
And I promise, if they're filming, I promise I won't wave and the lasers won't have to burn my retinas out.
So I'd love to stop by.
Rick, thanks for coming on the show.
I appreciate you taking the time.
It's a great show.
I highly recommend to the audience you check it out.
You will not be disappointed.
So entertaining.
Educational, too.
Thanks for taking the time, Rick.
Thanks for having me.
Have a good one.
Bye-bye.
You got it, buddy.
You too.
That was Rick Harrison, folks, from Pawn Stars on the History Channel.
I promise you, you will not be disappointed if you check it out.
You will learn so much.
A little bit of history.
It's funny.
Just a great show.
That was Rick Harrison from Pawn Stars.
He was on the radio show a couple weeks ago.
We got a great interview coming up with Dr. Stephen Quay.
A stunning interview.
A virologist with some experience at the Wuhan lab and a virus they found in there.
That has an 80% lethality rate.
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Jim, Mike, Guy and I all listened to this.
Like, did he just say that?
This past week we had one of the best guests we've ever had, Dr. Steven Quaid.
All right, welcome back to the show.
I don't want to waste any time.
I've got a guest I've been looking forward to having on for a while now, since I heard his interview a week ago.
Why, welcome to the show, Dr. Stephen Quay.
Doctor, thanks for joining us.
We appreciate it.
Oh, it's great to be here, Dan.
Thank you for having me.
Sure.
So, doctor, I watched your interview with rapt attention on Martha McCallum.
You apparently have some experience with the Wuhan lab, have written about it.
I read your op-ed in the Wall Street Journal.
And there were a couple of things you had said in the interview.
One of them you had mentioned is that there was some evidence of either fragments, and correct me if I'm wrong, or sequences of other viruses in one of these labs.
And one of them was a virus called Nipah, which when I looked it up, I was Pretty frightened.
I mean, I don't do, you know, fear porn like some other outlets.
I like honesty and science, but that sounds kind of worrisome to me.
Why would this Wuhan lab have a deadly virus like that?
And why would they be manipulating it?
And could that affect us here?
Yes, unfortunately everything you said is correct.
The Wuhan Institute of Virology, not coronaviruses.
What we found was that in December 2019, samples from patients got sent from a hospital in Wuhan to the Wuhan Institute of Virology and put on a machine to sequence What viruses the patients had.
These machines can get contaminated, however, with background work that's going on in the laboratory.
We identified that the Nipah virus is being manipulated through a process called synthetic biology in the laboratory right now.
This is where SARS-CoV-2 was probably two years in 2018-2019.
So this is very serious.
Because, as you know, this virus is 80-90% lethal as opposed to the 1% plus or minus that SARS-CoV-2 is.
So we really need to stop this activity now and get Congress and whatever group is, you know, can get behind this to stop this.
We're talking to Dr. Stephen Quay, a doctor I really wish people would know.
We're on in Washington, D.C.
on a rather large station.
I really hope people are listening.
I mean, this sounds like a legitimate potential national security crisis.
It's not that we don't have evidence right in front of us of another potential lab leak you looked at, wrote about, excuse me, from from this lab in the region of the coronavirus.
You read, you wrote in your paper, and I just want to get back to Neep in a second, but I read your op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, and you had indicated that there's very little evidence, if any evidence at all, that this had a zoonotic natural origin.
That it's pretty clear right now that the evidence is all lining up behind a lab leak hypothesis.
What do you base that on?
Okay, so let's understand this.
So these processes always have three elements.
There's an animal that's infected with a virus, and then that virus infects a human.
So let's talk about each of those separately.
Animal, virus, human.
With respect to animals, they looked at 80,000 animals in China, including over 5,000 in Wuhan itself.
Zero SARS-CoV-2.
You look at the virus, the hallmark of a natural spillover is diversity.
So lots of animals.
We found zero out of 80,000.
The virus is also diverse.
So in SARS-1 in 2003 or in MERS in the Middle East in 2014, when the virus came to humans, it had about 30 mistakes.
So every patient got a slightly different virus because it had been circulating in animals for years.
This virus was pure.
The first 39 patients had exactly the same virus.
That's like a vaccine, Dan, right?
Vaccines are identical all over America, all over the world.
That's a man-made process.
So the virus checks the box on lab origin.
And with respect to people, in a natural spillover, about 4% of the population is infected with a virus that's not quite good enough to cause human-to-human spread.
The way you test for that is blood samples in the refrigerator.
After the epidemic happens, you get a test.
You go back to your stored samples, and you find 4%.
China went back to 10,000 samples, and they found zero pre-epidemic infection.
So, no virus in nature.
The virus is genetically pure.
No practice jumps.
Those are the three hallmarks of a spillover, and it didn't check any of those boxes.
Talking to Dr. Stephen Quay, this is very, very troubling information.
Now, the evidence you saw of some contamination with fragments and sequences, and I read your paper of NEPA.
It's N-I-P-A-H, folks, if you'd like to look it up yourself.
The lethality of this, obviously, is very high.
I read anywhere from 50 to 80 plus percent.
Now, doctor, This is what I believe.
Again, I'm relying on your expertise, certainly not mine.
A direct contact virus is not a respiratory virus from what I know, but if this were to escape a lab, whether deliberately or by accident, how would you get it?
I mean, we obviously know coronavirus passes through the respiratory tract and is very efficient at infecting human beings and human-to-human transmission, but how would a manipulated Nipah virus, if it escaped, how would that spread?
Well, Dan, this is again where we really need to focus because one of the things you can do in a process called gain-of-function is you can teach a virus to become respiratory.
That's not.
And so this is what started the moratorium on gain-of-function was when someone took an influenza that was highly lethal but was not airborne and made it airborne.
So, there was no evidence that that process was going on.
The evidence was that the Nipah virus was being taken apart, pieces were being moved around, and this is exactly what we believed happened with SARS-CoV-2.
So, I mean, it's sort of a worst-case scenario.
Yeah.
It's a terrifying scenario.
And, you know, we pride ourselves on this show of sticking with the facts and the data because, you know, panic kills.
That was an expression we had in the Secret Service.
Panic, it does.
But this is really serious.
I mean, this is science.
This is an actual virus.
It's not a conspiracy theory.
It actually exists.
And then I was reading a story out of the BBC That even with natural infections that the lethality of this is unusually high.
Now if you were to say make this a respiratory virus through manipulating it and gain of function and you're looking at an 80% lethality rate.
Does the R-naught and the contagiousness of that actually limit it?
Again, I'm relying on your expertise because a doctor friend of mine had told me that lethality can sometimes, ironically, be a virus's worst enemy as well because it kills the hosts so quickly.
But, throwing a curveball at you, Doc.
I had heard in the article that the latency period from infection to symptoms can be upwards of 45 days.
So you may not die in that time and spread it to a whole bunch of people, NEPA that is.
That was a lot there, but take it piece by piece if you want.
Yeah, Dan.
I mean, again, I think it's really good not to get ahead of ourselves.
What we found is that they're working on the Nipah virus.
It's a highly lethal virus.
Whether they could make it worse, whether they could make it more spreadable, I have no evidence for that.
All I have is evidence that they're taking this 15,000-letter virus apart.
They're moving it around with the tools of synthetic biology.
We do that at level 4 in the U.S.
I guess this is another aspect of it, Dan.
We really need to focus on this.
So that work could be done perhaps safely at level 4 in the U.S., but these are inpatient samples.
So this is level 2 or level 3 in the Woburn Laboratory.
It's kind of a nightmare, but it may not be a pandemic nightmare, but what we need to do is have people focus on the fact that this did happen with SARS-CoV-2 and the work is still going on with other viruses that are as lethal or on paper look more lethal.
I think that's the take-home.
Yeah, I understand.
We're talking to Dr. Stephen Quay.
Doc, I'll leave you in a couple seconds.
I just got a couple more questions for you.
Regarding the lab leak hypothesis, which now looks to be likely, not just a hypothesis, I was doing a lot of reading about this double CGG codon and this furin cleavage site.
And how these things, although possible in nature, certainly, you know, the absence of evidence, so the evidence of absence doesn't mean the absence, you know, absence of evidence doesn't mean the evidence of absence, could happen.
We haven't seen it yet, this double CGG codon and this this furin cleavage site type thing indicating that this was somehow man-made.
Can you comment on that?
And what does this furin cleavage site do?
Why is it, why does everybody keep writing about it?
Yeah.
So first, let's just imagine, because we're not together, we can't draw pictures.
You know, I'm an amateur.
So we've established that it It has the three hallmarks of a lab-acquired infection.
So then you go to the decision tree.
Is it a natural virus that escaped or a laboratory-manipulated virus escaped?
The key to this virus having killed, you know, five million people and infected the entire planet is something called the furin cleavage site.
That little ball that we know that's on top of the virus called the spike protein.
We're all familiar now with this little spiky thing sticking out of it.
It gets clipped by an enzyme, by a scissors in your own cell that prepares the virus for entering the cell quickly.
And most viruses don't have this.
Most viruses, well, let me say it another way.
I misspoke.
Most viruses clip their spike when they go into the cell.
So they have to do two things.
They have to attach to the cell, get their spike clipped with an enzyme, and then they can infect.
Because of the furin cleavage site, SARS-CoV-2 leaves the cell after it's infected and comes out of the cell to go to new cells, already cleaved.
So it's already done one of the two steps it needs.
Now it just needs to find a cell to bind to, at this thing called the ACE2, and then it can immediately infect.
So this site is the thing that makes it so, so infective.
And it hasn't occurred in this group of viruses, what are called the cervical viruses.
I'm sorry, these big science words.
But anyway, the group that COVID-2 belongs to evolved, broke away from other beta coronaviruses in about 1160, about 1060, about 1080, when William was crossing the Channel to take over England.
So over a thousand years ago, there had not been a furin site in this class in a thousand years.
They occur in other classes that are highly lethal, but not in this particular class.
We now know, through a whistleblower, that a grant application to DARPA was made by this group of scientists we've talked about, Wuhan Institute of Virology, DASEC at a place called EcoHealth in New York City.
In 2018, these folks asked DARPA permission to put furin cleavage sites in coronaviruses.
They wanted $14 million to do this research.
So you've got the combination of it's never appeared in nature in a thousand years.
In 2018, these folks were proposing to do it.
As I talked to one of my buddies who was in Vietnam, and I'm a veteran there, I said, look, this virus, this particular research project was too dangerous for the folks that made Agent Orange way back when.
So they did not fund it.
But it doesn't mean they didn't do the work.
So you have the furin cleaving site that's never been found in nature.
You then find the spike protein was highly optimized for infecting humans.
SARS-1 only had 17% of the changes it needed to support human-to-human transfer.
This had 99.5.
And finally, George Church, who's sort of the godfather of biology at Harvard University, was the one who discovered that many of the spike proteins are what are called humanized, which means they don't make good antibodies.
I mean, we're seeing this with vaccines, right?
The vaccine is not as good as you might want it to be, and this is a process that only happens after decades and decades of human contact in the world.
Or you can create it in the laboratory.
You can humanize a virus in the laboratory by passing it on to humanized mice.
So these three attributes are all, you know, piling up and I just don't believe in coincidences.
Doctor, thank you so much for your time.
I have to run you a welcome back here anytime.
Fascinating interview.
Thank you for your time.
We appreciate it.
No problem, Dan.
Take care.
You got it, folks.
Folks, that was Dr. Stephen Quay.
We'll be right back.
Those were incredible insights from Dr. Stephen Quay.
The Nipah virus.
N-I-P-A-H.
Keep your eyes on that one.
Okay, up next we talk with Matt Wallstrom of The Daily Wire about the woke mob.
He's great on this topic and the culture wars and how the media are teaming up to destroy people's lives.
We discuss the firing of Raiders head coach John Gruden and a horrible story out of Loudoun County where a father was arrested trying to get answers about a boy in a dress who's alleged to have sexually assaulted his daughter.
This case is really troubling.
It was up at The Daily Wire.
Check this out.
Yeah, here he is.
All right.
Hour two, our guest segment.
We only hold for the best in the business.
One of them, Matt Walsh from the Daily Wire.
Welcome back to the show.
Thanks for taking the time with us today.
We appreciate it.
Hey, Dan.
Thanks for having me again.
Yeah, you got it.
So, Matt, this situation with John Gruden, the Las Vegas Raiders coach, you know, is this the new standard?
You're one of the best commentators out there on the ongoing culture war against us, which we didn't ask for, by the way.
I mean, is this the new standard?
You sent an email 10 years ago with some crappy language in it.
I mean, really, if all of us had our emails from the last 10 years disclosed publicly, I mean, we'd all be fired.
And part two of the question, if I may, is, You know, they have Eminem, Matt, performing at the halftime of the Super Bowl show.
What do you think his emails say?
Yeah, and Eminem, we don't have to look at his emails, and we can just look at the lyrics of songs he's performed for the public and had millions of dollars.
And same for, you know, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, they're all performing.
And they're going to perform some of those very songs where they use the language that John Groon just got fired for using.
And that's why, I mean, I agree with you.
I mean, look, any of the people who are pretending to be offended by John Groon's emails, I would encourage any of them, I challenge any of them to just publish their Gmail password and let us comb through it.
We'll keep it ten years.
We won't go back farther than that, I promise.
But let us look through ten years of messages and give us your text messages too.
Have you never in ten years said one message, sent one message with like offensive content?
Of course that's not the case.
And that's why we have to understand what's happening here with John Gruden.
This is prosecuting, by mob tribunal, a thought crime.
The problem is the thought that he expressed.
It's almost no different.
If the cancel mob had the ability, the technology, to actually literally read your mind, They would eagerly do it, and they would cancel you for things you haven't even said out loud.
There's only one step removed from that, and cancelling someone for a private email sent from their private email account to a friend who was not offended by it.
I mean, it's the definition of a victimless crime.
Because no one else knew about it.
The person that he's talking to is a friend.
No one's offended.
No one's hurt.
No one's feelings are even hurt.
So what's the problem?
Who's harmed by it?
Well, the problem is just that now they've discovered that he thinks this way, and so we're going to take him down for it.
And I think, really, you talked about the disparity between how people are treated.
I mean, in the NFL, we've also got Tyreek Hill as a wide receiver for the Kansas City Chiefs, getting paid a lot of money.
He played guilty to assaulting his pregnant girlfriend, choking and punching her, and he's still playing.
So how do you work all this out?
Well, it's because The thought crimes are prosecuted not just based on a thought, but also based on your identity and your ideology.
And so the real crime that John Gruden committed, as far as they're concerned, yeah, he used the language and the vulgarities.
But also, in those emails, apparently, he made comments about Joe Biden.
He said that people that protest the anthem should be fired, which most normal people agree with that part.
So that's really it.
I think that's what they noticed.
And they said, oh, OK, well, he's one of them, confirmed.
And also, he's a white guy, so he's gone.
Yeah, it is stunning, Matt.
We're talking to Matt Walsh, host of The Matt Walsh Show, available as a podcast.
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Matt, this sets up an obviously unrealistic standard.
I mean, we as human beings, you know, we're sinners.
We are.
It almost sounds ridiculous to even say it because it's so self-evident, but None of us are perfect.
We're not even close to perfect.
I mean, even the most, you know, morally upstanding individuals you know are going to have, you know, constant and consistent shortcomings.
We all know this.
I mean, this is not hard.
It's nothing dramatic I just said.
It's factually accurate.
Everybody knows it.
So you're setting up a standard that literally, not figuratively, not a single soul on planet Earth can live up to.
And it's just, it's this collective fiction on the left, though, That we should live up to a standard that not one person, even on the left, lives up to.
I mean, it's almost like a mass delusion.
Yeah.
And there's no, of course there's no, there's no grace at all.
There's no forgiveness.
That's why there's no point in, that's what I've been saying for so long.
If the cancel mob comes after you, I don't care what you did.
Uh, there's don't apologize.
And again, I don't care what it was.
Don't apologize for two reasons.
Number one, um, they're, they're not, forgiveness isn't on the table.
They're not interested in that.
And number two, you don't owe them an apology.
I mean, take John Cruden, for example.
No one was harmed.
No one else was involved in this.
It's none of your business.
You weren't harmed by it.
So you don't owe an apology to people who weren't.
If you actually did something and really harmed someone, then go find them and apologize to them.
You don't have to apologize in front of a public spectacle.
So there's no reason for that.
That's why.
Well, why even bother with the apology?
Well, we know that it's not about forgiveness.
And, uh, we know that the rules, again, change depending on, you know, your ideology, your identity.
And so really the point for canceling someone like John Gruden or anybody else who they cancel, uh, it's, it's not even about them specifically.
It's partly about them, but it's also about the rest of us.
It's a warning to the rest of us.
So what the, what the cancel mob is saying to the rest of us is, uh, is, well, you're next.
Like these thoughts are not allowed if you're in this category ideologically.
And so this is what we do to people like that, and we're going to get you next.
I think that's kind of what it is.
It's a warning to everybody else.
Yeah, Matt, I think that's great advice.
We're going to Matt Walsh, host of the Matt Walsh Show.
It's a terrific podcast.
Again, highly recommended.
I agree with you, Matt.
They don't want an apology, and you offering one just serves as a simple sign of subjugation.
It's almost like, reminds me of the Jerry Maguire.
You know, Jerry, bees and dogs smell fear.
You know, the left smells fear.
There's nothing good that's going to come out of it.
You know, say an act of contrition, go to confession, talk to your priest, your rabbi, your imam, whoever it may be.
But the public apology does nothing.
It's like you said, it's like offering a ransom to people who aren't interested in the money.
Like, no, no, we don't want it.
Like, keep the money.
We're still keeping the hostage.
So I agree with you.
Now, Matt, I just want to switch topics.
You have been heavily involved in this fight against CRT.
Virginia resident, which is great.
Virginia, I'm sure, loves having you.
But that fight in Loudoun County's got ugly.
The Daily Wire had a story up today that just is, I mean, beyond disturbing.
I mean, it's like savagery.
So there's this father whose daughter was attacked and sexually assaulted, and then some of these bureaucrats start going after the dad because he spoke out against some of this transgender ideology being pushed out.
The story is just hard to believe.
I know you saw it.
Your thoughts on that?
Yeah, this was while Loudoun County School District was trying to push this policy of opening the bathrooms up and letting boys into the girls' room.
And while that was happening, while this fight was happening, there was a case, allegedly, where a boy went into a girl's bathroom and raped a girl.
And he's been charged with it.
Uh, and the school, you know, the crime is horrible.
And then, and then as always in these situations, you have the institutional coverup.
And so apparently what happened is that they, you know, they told the father, we want to keep this in house.
And, um, the father was understandably upset.
I think one of the worst, the most despicable things on the part of the school and the school system.
...is the way that they've tarnished this man.
I mean, anyone who's a father... I have a daughter.
If this were to happen to my daughter, I can't even imagine what my reaction would be, and to lash out and be angry and yell.
That's like the least of what would be justified.
And he goes to this school board meeting, and he's very upset, obviously, because this happened to his daughter, and he's speaking out against these policies, and there's a minor altercation that happens involving him.
No one is seriously injured or anything.
They take that as, you know, this is one of their prime examples now of alleged violence at school board meetings.
It's one of the only times that there's anything that could remotely be called violent, even though again, it was just a minor scuffle.
And they're using that as an example to, to not only tarnish him, but everybody, all other parents and say, well, they're all a bunch of domestic terrorists.
That's why we need to get the FBI involved without, without, without letting anyone know the rest of the story.
Here's why he was so upset.
And also that that school board, they claimed, That, um, prior to passing this policy, there have been no assaults of girls in bathrooms, so it's all, uh, you know, it's a non-issue, knowing that that is allegedly not the case at all.
Uh, this is just, it, we have to understand, if you send your kid to public school, so many of the people running this system, they just, they don't care at all about your kid.
They don't care about their safety.
They don't even care about educating them.
I mean, these are dyed-in-the-wool leftist ideologues, and that's the only thing they care about.
And they're willing to sacrifice your kids on that altar, and you've really got to deal with that and realize that if you're sending your kid to these systems.
Talking to Matt Walsh, host of The Matt Walsh Show.
It's a podcast available at The Daily Wire and hat tip Luke Rosiak who wrote that piece at The Daily Wire.
Folks, the story is stunning.
It really is.
You should read it.
You know, Matt, last question.
I appreciate your time.
I always thank you for coming on.
You know, really, you're a very astute commentator on the cultural situation.
I always turn the volume up when you're on TV or elsewhere.
I mean, just a general question.
I'm genuinely concerned.
It seems to me, I know there's natural kind of vicissitudes and ups and downs and, you know, the dark ages followed by the, you know, cultural revolutions afterwards and the enlightenment and things like that, and there are longer macro cycles, but I feel like we're really We're cratering fast and like everything we thought to be true is collapsing all at once.
I mean the left is attacking simple things like human biology and you're seeing the mass delusion.
Do you sense that there's a renaissance coming soon?
Or are we really, at least in our lifetimes, just destined to be a part of this just decline of the culture in the United States and the decline of reason?
I mean, it's hard for me to see the entire culture together, you know, turning a sudden page and embracing the truth again.
But, because I do think that there is a real chasm now in this country that is, it's not hyperbole to say it's deeper than it's ever been, including the Civil War.
Because we just have the two sides have absolutely nothing in common at all, absolutely have no shared values or belief systems at all, period.
They can't even agree on like what a man and a woman is.
That's how deep it goes.
So I don't, there's nothing that's going to erase that.
And there's no bridge that could be built across it right now.
But what we can do is we can come together as communities and families.
That's why I'm a big advocate of things like homeschool.
We talk about the public school system.
I mean, You gotta take hold of your own family and your own community first.
And it's great what people are doing in the school boards.
So start there.
And if there's any hope, I think it starts there on the real local level.
Yeah, I agree.
It's that, you know, Jordan Peterson, you know, make your own bed first.
So Matt, thanks a lot for coming on.
I always appreciate your time.
We'll be sure to promote your podcast after you hang up.
So thanks a lot.
I appreciate it.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
You got it, folks.
That was Matt Walsh, host of The Matt Walsh Show, a podcast available on The Daily Wire.
Again, one of the best commentators out there on cultural issues of the day.
Check him out and check out that story at The Daily Wire about that parent by Luke Rosiak.
It is, you know, it is not overstating it at all to say it's a shocker what's going on in Loudoun County, Virginia with this CRT and indoctrination nonsense.
That was our interview with Matt Walsh from the radio show last week.
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