Davis Aurini - Podcast Talking MGTOW with Zerse

April 24, 2015 - Davis Aurini

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Podcast Talking MGTOW with Zerse

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	Trust the fuckhead.
	Hey, bro.
	This is your host, Irene.
	And this is the podcast.
	How are you folks doing out there?
	I am doing absolutely miserably, and I'm going to blame that all on proprietary video codecs and audio issues, and particularly Macintosh.
	through Macintosh, terrible bloody software company.
	The only thing that's...
	If it weren't for Macintosh, PC, Microsoft, wouldn't be good.
	Anyway, I've got Xerce here with me tonight, and this is going to be the complaining hour.
	Welcome to the free-floating hostility hour.
	How are you doing, Zerce?
	I'm doing pretty well, actually.
	A little contradictory.
	To be honest, I'm alright.
	It's just, there are some things that certainly mess with me, mess with you, so we can chat about that.
	We just spent about 40 minutes trying to record this bloody call.
	Yeah, we actually have, actually.
	That is not even an understanding.
	That is true.
	Yeah, I finally had to update MP3 Skype recorder.
	It's this endless series of updates on software, removing features, adding advertisements, and just being incompatible and contradictory.
	You know, maybe I'm just an idiot.
	Okay, like, that is a distinct possibility that I will concede exists.
	But, you know, I used to run Red Hat Linux.
	And I only quit because I don't have time for it.
	I don't have time to try and teach Red Hat how to use Microsoft Word or video editing software.
	I don't have time for that, and so I finally...
	You use Sony Vegas to edit your videos, right?
	Yeah, I'm not proud to admit that, but yes.
	It's a habit I got into.
	I know all the shortcuts.
	And it's honestly a very good program.
	I mean, I know Adobe Premiere is the professional one, but Sony Vegas does everything I need to do.
	You know, maybe one day I'll graduate to Final Cut when I start doing 3D animations, but...
	But yeah, trying to teach Linux to do that is...
	I got to the point where I had to say, you know what, I'm not making any money being a Linux expert.
	Maybe I should just use Windows.
	And Macintosh up Windows on me.
	Yeah, I honestly personally don't really like Macintosh computers too much.
	I don't know.
	It feels too complicated for no reason, in my opinion.
	Well, it's like an airport.
	It's very simple and very complicated.
	Yeah.
	I think, like, honestly, like, for some odd reason, I had this conversation with my friends the other day.
	It's like for mobile phones, Windows software is absolute garbage, right?
	But Apple software for their phones is fantastic.
	My iPhone works pretty well.
	But when it comes to PC computers and laptops, everyone's like, Macintosh, this is this sucks.
	It's complicated.
	PC, simple, easy to use.
	So, I mean, I guess, you know, strengths and weaknesses in different companies.
	Macintosh is what my mom uses.
	It's perfect for iPhones because you're not...
	A phone is not a computer.
	Okay, and I'm a BlackBerry man.
	Just for the pure obstinacy of I demand actually having a keyboard on my computing device.
	But it it's still not a computer.
	I mean, it is, but you can't.
	This tiny little screen, the lack of right click.
	Right-click is what makes a computer in my opinion.
	Mind-click.
	You can't remind clicking.
	It's not a computer.
	Yeah, yeah, that's true.
	I mean, I guess, I mean, simply put it, it's not a computer, not a computer.
	Not in the true sense.
	It's not a desktop or a laptop.
	It is a device that computes, so by definition, but it's not really like a personal computer.
	So I see what you're saying.
	You know what?
	Trying to do computing on a phone or a Macintosh is like trying to write poetry and Klingon.
	It's an artificial language that does not have enough adjectives.
	In theory, you can do it.
	In practice, get a real computer.
	And honestly, with all the BS, with Windows 8, 8.1, and I swear to God, here's the saddest thing.
	Windows 8 was designed for tablets.
	Yeah, exactly.
	8.1 is for adult computers.
	8 worked better.
	Yeah, I did not even upgrade to 8.1.
	Good.
	No, and anybody out there, do not upgrade.
	I used to be able, like, you have to hit the Windows key.
	So, you know, you can't install it on anything.
	You hit the Windows key, then you type, you search for it.
	On Windows 8, the search would come up immediately.
	8.1, my computer freezes for about 20-30 seconds.
	It's a nightmare.
	Do not upgrade.
	Anyway, so this has been the PC hour with your experts.
	And well, thank you very much for being on the show.
	And hope you guys learned something.
	I'm going back to Linux with my next box, if I can.
	I'm Fray.
	I'm an ordinary old cuss.
	Get off my lawn.
	So, I think we were going to talk about the MGTOW movement.
	Yeah, which is, which, I'm not lying, is a very strange thing to me now.
	Because a couple of months ago, I don't know if you ever saw it, but I did a debate with the Manhood Academy.
	Are you familiar with these guys?
	Loosely!
	Now, I got an email.
	I don't know if it was by them or by somebody that read them saying I should check out their book.
	This was about three or four years back, and I took a glance at it.
	And, like, everything I saw seemed pretty good, but it wasn't really, at that point in my life, it wasn't revolutionary.
	If I were 24, it probably would have been.
	But at the time, I never really got into it.
	So I'm going to go up to your perspective on all this.
	Yeah, Manhood Academy.
	You know, the professor is what he calls himself.
	He's not a stupid guy.
	You'll never hear me call him dumb.
	He's not dumb.
	Oh, Professor McTook.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He's very abrasive son of a bitch.
	I will say that.
	Very abrasive guy.
	Loves to throw out the word faggot.
	Good person.
	But anyway, I remember he like he made a whole video where he was criticizing MGTOW.
	Again, this is a couple months ago.
	And I'm telling you, like, the way from what I see, my point of view, you know, the MGTOW community has definitely changed a lot these last couple months.
	Because from what I saw there, MGTOW is a lot smaller.
	And it's just a group of men, you know, really just focusing on themselves, making themselves better.
	And they just said, we don't want girlfriends, we're going to leave you alone.
	We're just going to focus on ourselves.
	It was that stuff really of a concept.
	When I first saw it, from what I had seen, so I went on to debate with the professor, because I love that MGTOW community.
	I was like, this is fantastic, you know.
	And I was like, you know, you can't really get upset with these MGTOWs, you know, because they don't want to talk to women.
	That's their prerogative.
	And if they got treated badly, you know, let them have some time to heal, get better.
	If they never want to date a woman again, that's their prerogative, you know.
	But personally, I will say, at first, I actually thought of MGTOW as something more temporary, like something that you just do for the time being.
	You say you work on yourself, you make yourself better, you become financially stable.
	And then after all of that, you then make the choice.
	Do I want a woman or not?
	That's all up to you.
	As I see it now, and certainly isn't like that.
	Now, it has leaned more towards being really vitriolic towards the behavior of women.
	They really, really viciously criticize women.
	And it sounds really, really better.
	And this isn't everybody.
	With every conversation, you kind of have to preface, well, this is not everyone.
	Because all MGTOWs, they're different people.
	But you can see some similarities in a lot of them.
	They're very vitriolic people.
	And some of them are great.
	Some of them, that's why I subscribe to them.
	I listen to them a lot.
	They're really nice people.
	They like talking.
	And others, they're just really angry.
	It's a mixed bag.
	It's just like a bunch of different people there.
	But it's changed a lot from what I've seen.
	I guess it's the only thing I can really say.
	Originally, it was just a group of guys who just wanted to make themselves better.
	And that's the MGTOW I truly deeply respect.
	And I wish he kind of leaned a little towards that instead of just being angry all the time.
	Yeah, let me amend something.
	You asked me if I knew.
	You know what, Professor Mentu?
	I don't know if that's his name.
	I just know he calls himself a professor.
	I know him by reputation.
	Of people I trust.
	Very good guy.
	I never really got into his blog just because it, like I said, when he was writing at that point, it's stuff I already knew.
	It's stuff that I agreed with, wasn't really getting into.
	Great, solid guy from what I hear.
	Really hope to have a beer with him at some point.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Maybe he's different.
	Personally.
	Oh, it's a different thing.
	Things are clicking together now.
	I drink a lot, so it takes me a while to remember things.
	Get off my line.
	Yeah, I guess he's different in person.
	Again, like I say, he's not a dumb guy.
	He's just a very abrasive individual.
	Very difficult to talk to when he gets riled up.
	My experience, at least, I think the debate's still on their old channel.
	Because I know they've got a new channel.
	I saw it pop up in my suggestions feed.
	But yeah, I defended the MGTOW community.
	I'll still defend MGTOWs too, even now.
	Even though I see a lot of them really angry, I still think it's needed.
	I do think it is needed to have a group of men who want to focus on making themselves better.
	But I think that should be the primary focus.
	I don't really think talking about women so angrily, if you don't want to have much to do with them, is much of a solution.
	Actually, they don't even want to have some of these guys even want to have solutions.
	So I don't really understand what is the purpose of them being so angry with women if they don't have the need to think today.
	Again, these guys who, again, like, it's not everybody, it's just those in particular.
	Well, that's half of my issue with all of this.
	Listen, on the Red Pill subreddit, this was a couple of years ago.
	I don't know what's going on there now.
	But they posted basically the stages of grief from taking the red pill.
	Like, when you first take the red pill, usually it's because you went through something really traumatic in your life.
	You know, maybe it was a really harsh breakup, or maybe you got, you know, completely raped in divorce court, or maybe you got accused of domestic violence.
	That was it for me.
	That's what really opened my eyes to it, was going through a false domestic violence accusation.
	And all of a sudden, I started questioning all these previous assumptions I'd had, and one by one they just fell apart like spit on cotton candy.
	There was nothing to them.
	And wait, where was I going with that?
	So there's the stages of grief when you take the red pill and you realize you've been lied to your entire life.
	You realize that you've been you get angry at first, or you're really hurt at first.
	And so on the red pill subreddit, they said, like, listen, this is a space for guys to talk like guys.
	This is the locker room.
	So we're not allowing any women in here.
	You know, Return of Kings has the same policy.
	Sorry, no women allowed.
	There are good women out there.
	We're not saying there ain't.
	But there's no women allowed on here because this is the locker room.
	And guys that have been hurt need to get it out.
	They need to be able to be angry.
	And I believe that, yeah, absolutely.
	That's normal and healthy.
	But what I'm seeing...
	The whole reason this is an issue is that, basically, my buddy Aaron Clary made an offhand comment about how there's a lot of guys calling themselves MGTOWs because they're too afraid to go out there and meet women.
	Instead of they're not bitter over anything that like they're not bitter over a divorce.
	They're not angry about something that happened to them.
	They're afraid of trying in the first place.
	And so they're adopting the attitude of men that have been through bad stuff.
	Do you know what it is?
	It's like pretending that you are the same moral level as a Vietnam vet when you never served in the first place.
	And then coming up to an actual veteran like myself and starting to tell me about how the military's just exploiting this listen, listen, I will be the first one to get furious over anybody that's not getting the treatment they deserve.
	Or anybody that got screwed over by the military because those are my brothers.
	But don't you come up to me, peace, Nick, and pretend to be my fucking brother.
	We're on entirely different teams here.
	And so this goes into the second point.
	And I want to get this out here early because it's not something I'm trying to brag about.
	But when you want to talk about MGTOWs, I'm one of the old school ones.
	I am one of the originals.
	Yeah, I'm not a perfect...
	I'm not the second coming of Christ or anything like that, but...
	But Rob Fedders is the guy that invented the term MGTOW.
	Him and the other group on the old Men Going Their Own Way forum.
	And they invented it because it wasn't supposed to be pronounceable.
	They did not want it to be an acronym or an initialism.
	Or sorry, they did want it to be an initialism, not an acronym.
	And he's linked my site in the past.
	So I think that qualifies me as having enough street cred to tell these new MGTOWs y'all don't know what the hell you're talking about.
	Yeah.
	And I think one thing one thing I personally do kind of feel a little bad for this is one thing that I've noticed a lot.
	I'm kind of spooking years here.
	Is how some of them will, if anyone has like a dissenting opinion about them, will make like with Aaron Ferry.
	You know, it's not just Aaron Ferry.
	I think the same thing kind of happened with Karen, with Karen Strong, because I guess she was defending traditionalism or something like that.
	She got a firestorm.
	This girl, a girl, I'm not going to go and hang out with her later this week.
	Alex got a firestorm because she made a video, which technically speaking, she wasn't really, I guess she was criticizing the attributes of Nicktown, but she didn't say Nicktown specifically.
	A bunch of MGTOWs kind of went though that they made multiple video responses to where it just shot her down.
	A lot of people still don't like her to this day because of the video she made.
	And the thing that gets me, it just kind of frustrates me a little bit.
	It's like, these are supposed to be grown-ass men, like adults.
	I'm like, I mean, guys, I mean, people are allowed to feel differently.
	Like, it's all fucking gay if someone doesn't feel the way you feel.
	You know, and if someone says a mean thing to you again, you're an adult, you can just pick your balls up and leave.
	You know, you don't have to deal with that shit.
	And what kills me is that I'll see some of these guys and say, you know, we don't care about what anyone says about us.
	And I'm like, well, evidently you do because someone says something mean about you or if someone says, I don't know, something just indifferent or just something you don't fucking like.
	And they'll react like it's doing what's fucking this getting angry.
	You know, again, like I said, I got a crush.
	It's not everyone.
	I'm the only one that starts bitching at me because I'm criticizing the men who are doing this shit.
	But I mean, you know, seriously, and I've noticed this a lot, and I just don't understand.
	You know, how can you simultaneously tell them you don't care?
	But you very clearly do care because someone said something that you don't like.
	Like, guys, I mean, we're adults here.
	You know, you can feel different.
	And kind of like with Karen Strong.
	Again, I don't know everything that happened there.
	I know Razorblade Candy.
	You know who Razorblade Candy is, right?
	He does text-to-speech voice videos.
	Oh, I can't.
	Why not just record your own voice?
	Okay, it's...
	Listen, the CIA's already recording all of the porn that you masturbate to.
	Why not just record your own voice?
	Why not?
	No civilian is going to figure out who you are from your voice.
	That's my kind of sense.
	Yeah, I don't know why it doesn't.
	It doesn't bother me too much, but I just trying to bring him up.
	I haven't even finished the whole video he made, but I guess he made a video where he was trying to pwn Karen Strong because Karen made a long-winded comment and brought in a bunch of MRAs.
	And then there's the MRAs we can chat about a little bit.
	Because one thing I had never noticed before, a lot of people said MRAs are turning into the male brand of feminists.
	And at this point, I can't completely agree with that.
	They certainly are not feminists.
	But I can see why some people will make fun of MRAs because of some of the silly shit that they do.
	Some just get involved in stupid drama that just is not conducive to anything.
	It's one thing to have a massive disagreement where you guys talk and try to figure things out.
	It's another thing to go like he said, she said, like this is an episode of Fucking The Grassy.
	I remember I saw a comment on like uh like Diana's video and someone was like, did I just step into the grassy?
	And I was like, seriously, it's just so much dr that's really just so much drama that's just going on between like, I guess you could say the menosphere.
	And I think there's one guy, Monley MGTOW, he said, you know, he's noticed the chaos and I completely agree with him.
	And like he's one of the MGTOWs I like.
	He's a very smart guy and really wants to focus the so-called looping in doing something.
	And I think the focus should be just, you know, instilling a level of self-esteem and worth in men.
	But it's just this drama just really upsets me a lot.
	It's just not conducive to anything.
	When it becomes more about the drama than about the subject matter.
	Like listen, I've got friends all over the goddamn place, okay?
	I'm friends with Doc Illusion.
	And okay, I haven't met Roosh in person.
	I'd really hope to share a beer with him at some point.
	But Doc Illusion really doesn't like Roosh.
	And I disagree.
	Like, listen, this is the thing about guys.
	They have beefs with one another.
	But Doc Illusion, he's honorable about the whole thing.
	He doesn't like Roosh, I know it.
	Okay.
	He'll concede sometimes that Roosh has some good points.
	And it's like, alright, as long as you're reasonable and honorable.
	You know, I'm friends with Matt Forney and Paul Elam.
	And, you know, they got a beef with each other.
	But it's still an honorable beef.
	understand why they have the beef with each other but they're not that when they have argued with each other they argued with each other up front and in the open and they outright called each other faggots They didn't sneak around.
	And this is what really gets me with these MGTOWs.
	And now, right off the bat, if you are feeling offended right now, think about it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And I describing you.
	Is the person I'm about to critique, is that you?
	Because if it's not you, I'm not critiquing you.
	Thank you.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	If I say feminists are delusional bitches that have never worked a day in their life, and you consider yourself a feminist, and you work at a fabrication plant, and you're whatever.
	I'm not talking about you.
	I'm not criticizing you.
	I'm talking about what I'm noticing from the movement.
	And if anybody wants to say, you know what, the manosphere is full of these fake game bloggers that have anonymous names, and I don't believe for a day that any of them got laid.
	I'll say, yeah, you're right.
	pisses me the fuck off so when i when i see these these MGTOWs and they they appear in the comments section making these snide remarks and making all these that they don't know anything about the movement All they understand is popularity and social status.
	You're attacking my favorite guy, and so you must be an idiot.
	You must be...
	I just covered this in my video on Monday about how there's the two heresies.
	So because I don't endorse rejecting all women and spending every day hating them, I must want you to be a slave in marriage.
	No.
	And that's one thing that I say all the time.
	Like, I'll never knock any man for not wanting to get married.
	I feel that's your prerogative.
	I'll never knock any man for not wanting to have children.
	That's your grunt and you can do whatever you want to do.
	You know, I think that's perfectly fine.
	I have no issue with that.
	The thing that gets me is, you know, I'll say, you know, like, I personally like the period, and then I had talked to people who call me stupid and get upset with me.
	Actually, I remember one time, I remember I fucked up once way back when and I said that I wasn't 100% against gynocentrism.
	And I'll completely admit I was wrong, because what I originally thought was gynocentrism was just having relationships with women.
	I was ignorant of the topic, so that's my fault.
	And a lot of people got upset with me, because some of them, and this is how I know, they're different MGTOWs, and some of them really just kind of chatted with me and just like, you know, I don't really think you understand what gynocentrism is.
	It's not just relationships with women, you know, it's more, you know, it's an over it's more a lot of attention on women at the expense of men, you know, just to put it real briefly.
	And some of them, again, like I say, will definitely have a conversation and will talk.
	Which is why I will still always defend MGTOW.
	It's just, you know, these other guys, you know, you're talking about Davis.
	I agree.
	The drama and the attention seeking I think is ridiculous.
	And for me, for those men in particular.
	You know, I actually just heard an interesting comment from Mercedes Carrera, actually.
	I was just reviewing the footage of the interview with her.
	And she was pointing out, like, are you familiar with the maiden mother crone?
	No.
	Okay, the maiden mother crone is the three stages of female psychology.
	Like, it's the traditional understanding of the archetypal growth of the woman.
	And she was talking, like, the maiden is the pure, innocent, virginal.
	Like, the mother is the adult woman, the mother, the wife, and then the crone is the elder wisdom.
	But they each have their dark halves.
	And the and she was saying that this entire social justice movement is really the dark half of the maiden.
	Because it's narcissistic.
	They want to see the world reflected in themselves.
	They can't think about it.
	Like, the mother thinks about other people, and the crone thinks about society.
	Like, the mother thinks about her children and her family, and she the crone thinks about the entire society.
	The maiden just thinks about herself trying to choose the best man, but the dark maiden is wants the entire world to reflect what she does.
	She doesn't want to be responsible for anything.
	Yeah.
	There's women you can talk to about this.
	I mean, yes, we have a lot of terrible women nowadays.
	The entire like we turn the dance of the sexes into a sex war.
	And you guys need to arm yourselves because, like it or not, you're going up against armed assailants.
	Damn straight.
	But it's often it's a very emotional interpretation.
	It's a very angry interpretation.
	Whereas the original, you know, the guy that coined the term MGTOW, it's about understanding how women are different.
	It's about having a realistic perspective on life.
	And then when you know all this, when you get rid of the candyland veneer of how life is wonderful, it's about going your own way, figuring out what you want out of life.
	It doesn't mean screaming, I'm never gonna get married.
	When you're 20 fucking listen, when you're 20 and you're beautiful and you have friends and you're at university, yeah, okay, it's easy to make such declarations.
	When you're 50 and you're ugly and nobody wants to talk to you Stefan Molliner just did a video on that.
	It's when you're in your 20s and 30s, you should be building a life and this means interpersonal connections, it means personal accomplishments, skills, abilities, etcetera, that leads to you having a community in 20 years' time.
	Maybe that's with a married woman.
	Yeah, and again, you know, marriage law is b yes, I know marriage law is broken.
	But talk about that.
	I've do I really need to say anything more?
	Be cautious.
	Don't marry the first girl that that makes eyes at you.
	Yeah.
	I think that's one lesson I I kind of noticed a lot with a couple of my friends is uh they get so little female attention that even when a toxic woman gives them attention they just kind of put a lot of into it.
	And I was that one too now, Jenga, you know, so it's not their fault.
	But I think uh one thing that I kind of say a lot on my channel is men gotta do more selectively who they pick.
	Well and um have you heard the term have you heard the term thirsty man?
	Oh yeah, absolutely.
	All the time.
	Thirsty this makes this man yeah they will sell you out at the drop back hat.
	You could not trust thirsty men.
	No, no you can't.
	You can't really trust thirsty people in general.
	Thirsty just really means attention seeking, you know, so uh and I actually gotta make a whole video series about thirsty women, so look out for that.
	But um yeah, that's basically they're they're men who cow talent women and are just desperately seeking their attention and approval.
	And to them, I understand you can definitely criticize men like that because that's just unacceptable.
	But um yeah.
	No, I'll be honest.
	I um with the whole MGTOW thing, I'm feeling a lot of thirst from some of them.
	I can understand why you say that.
	I can.
	It's inversed.
	It's upside down thirst.
	But they are so eager to prove that they don't care what women think of them.
	I think and you know that's something that happens a lot of people, especially you'll find that in a lot of attention horse is that they will make a gigantic show of I don't care about what you have to say.
	Well, I mean you can respect a woman show just how much you don't care by telling me you don't care.
	This whole show of how it doesn't matter to you, that's why you're complaining and have to be crying about it.
	You know, that is a trait that a lot of attention-seeking people do possess.
	They'll make a gigantic show about how they just don't care about your opinion when evidently they think they would do it.
	Yeah, it's you know, as Lubeklov said, the manosphere isn't something you write, it's a genre that you write in.
	And MGTOW is not a movement, it's a philosophy.
	In fact, one of the sad things about MGTOW is that the best MGTOW writers wind up quitting and going their own way, and they're no longer like they write their piece, they're like, this is how I see the fucking world, and you boys can learn from me or not.
	I don't care because that motorcycle's running, I'm getting on it, and I'm driving through the mountains.
	See ya.
	Like myself, the reason I keep making videos, the reason I keep writing, is because I'm not writing about feminism.
	Feminism comes up a lot, but I'm writing about truth and philosophy and beauty and martial prowess.
	You know, I have things I'm focusing.
	MCTOW is not something to focus on.
	It's something to understand.
	And when you understand it, you put it down and you move on with your life.
	Yeah, you know Bernard Kaplan, right?
	Chapin!
	Yeah, here's another guy.
	What was it, December?
	Yeah, crashed on his couch.
	He is a solid individual.
	And by the way, he is a lot smarter than you think.
	I'm sure he is.
	But I remember, you know, he kind of put it best to me.
	He's like, you know, I don't even club to tell me I'm a man going his own way.
	You know, just do it.
	You know, I'm just I'm just a man going his own way.
	And he just put it as simple as that.
	I was like, there you go, Chan, yeah.
	Chapin is Chapin, right?
	Chapin.
	Chapin.
	Yeah.
	Very interesting guy.
	I like him.
	I do.
	He's a very interesting guy.
	I guess what one thing I will say is I think a lot of people kind of get caught in this trap.
	And my friend Chaos Sixth Fleet kind of brought this to my attention.
	As some people move really close to a zero-sum game and do like left versus right or MRA versus feminism.
	And I guess sometimes he does kind of lean a little more towards that combative right-wing area.
	But that's the only thing I can really say about it.
	He's a very intelligent man.
	I like lesson and boy.
	Oh, and you know, and again, there is a role to be angry.
	Yeah.
	There's a place.
	Stop being angry at your brothers-in-arms, you know?
	Stop being angry at the wrong people.
	Yeah.
	Because even though I called myself an anti-feminist for a while, we're probably going to drop that and just focus more on responding to stupid shit.
	It really wasn't even feminism that I disliked so much, more as an oversweeping generalization, and the hypocrisy.
	Which is why I even talk about atheist cult members too.
	It's really just gigantic levels of hypocrisy and ignorance that I dislike.
	And I guess I make more fun of feminism because it's really easy and it's really toxic too.
	It has a lot of power.
	For some reason, feminists still have a lot of power in our society, even though a lot of people really do it a lot.
	But I'm more focused against hypocrisy and just stupid stuff I see.
	The other night, I think I recommended the fourth turning to you.
	In the 48 hours since then, have you managed to finish that book?
	No.
	I haven't got a start on it.
	Yeah, just sitting into it again.
	Well, the authors would argue that the millennial generation is a hero generation.
	And the hero generation wants to be part of an army.
	And you can...
	What's that really popular song?
	It was in the Lego movie about we're all.
	Every day is awesome.
	Yeah, it's all about being part of a team, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	That is the clarion call of the millennial generation.
	They want to be part of a team.
	Me, I'm the very tail end of Gen X. Our music was about how we're alienated and alone.
	We're the nomad generation.
	Nobody gives a damn about us.
	We have to survive on our own.
	And so I get that these millennials want to be part of something bigger.
	They want to be part of an army.
	But basing your identity off of ideological maxims.
	Serve the truth, is what I'm saying, is find something true.
	To be fair, sorry to cut you off, but I think that's one gigantic reason why people in general get so upset when you criticize them.
	I think it's because they link their identity to that label and to their ideology.
	So when you say something against it, it's like you're personally attacking them.
	I think my roommate Sean put it best.
	It's like too many people confuse what they like with who they are.
	I think that's just one important thing to point out, but go ahead.
	Well, this has been a progressive thing going on for 50 years now.
	It's the increasing narcissism of the West in general.
	I recommend the blogger The Last Psychiatrist.
	Just Google him.
	He's great.
	it's been affecting every generation but narcissism is essentially the way i dress the way i speak that like it's i don't have a real identity on the inside I don't have accomplishments.
	I don't have self-confidence.
	I have a shell I put up.
	And if you contradict that shell, either by exposing a hypocrisy of mine or by out-arguing my ideas, I consider that a personal attack.
	And Gen X is narcissistic, the boomers are narcissistic, the silence are narcissistic.
	It's been going on for a long while.
	But I also find that I find that a lot of the millennials want guys like Aaron and myself to be cult leaders.
	They want us to give them an identity, to tell them what they are, make them soldier rank and file in our army.
	And then they get angry when we don't do that.
	When the real answer is, sorry, folks, I don't have a war worth fighting.
	Listen, if I have a conversation with the Pope and we declare the Fifth Crusade, then you can be soldiers in my army.
	But right now, I'm doing the best I can to tell people the truth as I see it and encourage...
	And you were saying this to me the other night.
	That you and I are wrong about a lot of stuff that we say probably.
	Yep.
	True.
	Yeah.
	We want to encourage conversation on our channels, not groupthink.
	Exactly.
	Which is why I welcome the fact that everyone doesn't agree with me.
	I think it's a group thing.
	No, and they should.
	And it's not a personal attack when somebody disagrees with you.
	Exactly.
	Like, we have been.
	We've been steeped in this culture of lies.
	Because, listen, marketing.
	Nike sneakers want you to buy their shoes and feel good about yourself without realizing that the two things are connected to one another.
	Yeah, that's marketing in a nutshell.
	Buy our product because it makes you feel like a person.
	Whatever person that, like, whatever.
	If you're a goth, go to Hot Topic.
	If you're a badass dude, buy an AR-15.
	It'll give you your man card back.
	You know, if you're whatever you are, here's your identity.
	You just need to buy our fucking product.
	And I think what you're trying to do, what I'm trying to do, what MGTOW was originally about is rejecting that whole identity thing.
	Yeah.
	If there's an army for millennials to fight in, it's the army of free thinking.
	Yeah, that's the best way to put it.
	That is the best way to put it.
	And I'm sorry to say there's no merit badges when you're a free thinker.
	There's just a lot of personal embarrassment when you admit you were wrong about something.
	Well, you know, the interesting thing about that is, you know, there's never actually anything bad about being wrong.
	You know, a lot of people do get really hurt or angry when they get called out for being wrong.
	But it's okay.
	You know, I think a lot of people are really taught that it is okay to not be right sometimes.
	Like, it's okay to, you know, to have to recant.
	Like, every now and again, I'll have to post an annotation to my videos and say, hey, look, I was wrong here.
	You know, go check out something else or let me go correct this.
	You know, like, it's okay to make mistakes, and that's how you learn.
	You know, it's perfectly fun.
	You know, I learn a lot from people who uh subscribe to me all the time.
	Like, there's a lot of people probably smarter than I am that I talk to.
	And it it's fine.
	I think that's one lesson a lot of people really should uh should learn that it is okay to be wrong.
	And it's it is not a crime to not always have all the answers.
	I mean, you're normally human.
	So there's only so much one person should really know.
	You know, I don't know jack shit about electrical engineering, you know, but it doesn't mean that I'm a terrible person.
	It doesn't mean I'm stupid, you know?
	Yeah, I screwed up.
	I got Aristotle and Plato confused in a recent video I did about Plato and Aristotle.
	Yeah, I remember that.
	That was I was so embarrassed.
	What a jag.
	Why did I like I've got this bad habit of getting all three of the big Greek philosophers confused with one another?
	And about four years ago, I wrote down the one story.
	Like in my brain, I wrote down the story about Aristotle, but I subtitled it Plato.
	And then I say that in the video.
	I didn't even Google that.
	Why didn't I think to Google that?
	Because I'm an idiot, that's why.
	But that's the reality is that you make mistakes.
	None of us are perfect.
	And if you look at the debate tactics, the SJWs in particular, they want to take up anything.
	They will search through five years of tweets.
	They really will.
	That's literally.
	They really will.
	And there's people I like and who I find inspirational and insightful.
	I won't look through five years of their fucking bullshit.
	And yet they'll do this and they'll find one thing that was whatever.
	It could be something that was vaguely offensive, or it could be something that was stupid, or it could be something that was embarrassing.
	It doesn't matter.
	They will just search and search, and then they pat themselves on the back like they're an investigative journalist for reading through five years.
	You're not an investigative journalist.
	You're a bloody accountant.
	except accountants do positive things in the world.
	And you would think that the generation that...
	How to put it?
	You know what?
	Like, again, I'm Gen X.
	I remember before computers.
	Okay, I remember library cards.
	Only geeks have library cards now.
	Everybody does.
	Internet pirates.
	And there's a joke that there is.
	The millennial generation, there is porn of 90% of them.
	Or something like that.
	Well.
	At least 50.
	Well, let's put it that way.
	At least 50.
	Back in my day, it was a few Polaroids.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	Polaroids.
	You can pay somebody to destroy a Polaroid.
	Worst case scenario, you get blackmail $10,000, it goes away.
	Internet generation.
	Yeah, it's over.
	It's a wrap-up Christmas.
	It's over.
	You think this would be the generation to stop judging people on who they're friends with, on whether or not they're cool, whether or not they said something stupid five years ago, etc.
	I guess that's really why this whole MGTOW thing frustrates me so much It's because MCTOW is supposed to be about going your own way.
	And yet I see the most slavish, identitarian philosophy being embraced by some of them.
	I don't know if it's 60% or if it's 6%.
	It's a very vocal group.
	Yeah.
	But the SGWs are very vocal and they're like, best case scenario, one out of 20 people are sympathetic with them.
	But they still manage to have a lot of power for some reason.
	I just don't know where it comes from.
	I do not understand the source.
	Actually, I think I do.
	I think I might understand the source.
	I think it's just a lot of people.
	I think a lot of people want to do good.
	And I just don't think critically about what's going on.
	I might have to expand upon that in the distant future.
	Like, like, doing this documentary on Sarkeesian, you know, examining her claims about being harassed and, like, the amount of harassment I've received, and so it's really got me thinking.
	Because I do try and put myself in other people's shoes, try and understand where they're coming from.
	And we're really just beginning to understand this whole internet technology, the many to the many.
	You know, like, we used to have these standards of decorum that, you know, if you're sitting around in the bar and you say, well, you know, that Ronald Reagan, he's an asshole.
	You know, you're just sitting at the bar.
	That's fine.
	Whereas the guy that's writing the newspaper article, he's not going to title his article, Ronald Reagan is an asshole.
	Yeah.
	But nowadays, that journalistic line has broken down.
	Because what's the difference between, you know, some like I, seriously, I've watched so many people on Twitter just because they do nothing but send insults to me.
	And I just don't have the time to read them.
	But really, what is the difference?
	If I talk about the SJWs are harassing me, or if Anita Sarkeesian says Gamergate's harassing her, even though she has nothing to do with Gamergate.
	Yeah.
	Sorry, what was I saying?
	But the thing is that if you get if the media if the national media the newspapers were posting dozens of articles laughing at somebody for getting raped or what have you or targeting some kid in high school that accidentally we you know, shit their pants at prom and saying, look at how funny this is, we'd say that's a problem.
	But with the new media, because anybody can be a journalist, it really blurs the line.
	I try and hold myself to a very high standard, and I think you do as well, but most of the people out there tweeting are just tweeting insults at one another and animated GIFs and you know what?
	That teenager nowadays, they shit their pants at prom, and somebody makes a YouTube video with daft punk in the background for music.
	And it gets two million hits.
	Now I'm sure as hell not saying what we need is more FCC in the internet, what we need is more censorship.
	That's the opposite of what I'm saying.
	But it's a confusing new technology and we're trying to figure it out.
	And there's a lot of people that behave very uncivilly when they have an anonymous account.
	Yeah, true that.
	True that.
	I don't know.
	I think, I mean, Stanley put it best, man, with great power comes great responsibility.
	And it just rings true for everything.
	It's just, there is a lot of power in eminentity.
	There's a lot of power having the internet or having a lot of this technology.
	And a lot of people don't respect that power.
	They don't respect the fact that, you know, it's not just that you can hurt people, but that you can do a lot of things with it.
	A lot of people just resort to being stupid with it.
	It's just like putting the black gods.
	They just kind of squander it.
	They'll put up absolute nonsense for no reason.
	And yeah, that's what people are seeing, eh?
	They want to see nonsense.
	It's not even like funny nonsense.
	Not even stuff to make you laugh.
	Just nonsense.
	Just stupid shit.
	A cod would weep at the libraries we have access to nowadays.
	I'm not talking about Sargon, and yet we just, what do we use it for?
	Sharing funny gifts.
	So, you know what?
	I think a lot of folks that listen to my channel, they might have seen a couple of your videos, but they don't really know your background, how you got into this.
	And it's actually, it's a little bit interesting, just slightly.
	So you guys can tune out right now.
	It's not that interesting.
	How did you wind up doing these politically incorrect screw you, this is the way I see it, and I'm going to piss off everybody and I'll never have a career videos.
	Well, you know, the really funny thing is my channel was originally supposed to be dedicated to comedy skits.
	And what happened was, I guess, to get personal, what happened was that growing up, I was a really depressed person, and I had a lot of different things that happened to me in my life.
	And I always had an innate desire to just kind of want to help people, you know, really do something for other people.
	And so I figured the best way I could do that is to share a lot of the knowledge that I've gotten throughout the course of my lifetime and to put it out there in a pretty entertaining way, which is why I'm a really snarky person by nature.
	I'm really snarky and sarcastic.
	And so I figured what I would do is I would just melt the two together.
	And I'll make some comedy skits, some politically incorrect commentary.
	And then what happened was originally, funny thing about how I started talking about feminism, which is really ironic because going up, it is kind of funny to admit, I really didn't lean more towards being a quote-unquote male feminist or male ally.
	But I once, you know, in the peace studies class I took a peace studies guys.
	This is how when I tell you about broken academia.
	Actually, the prof was bloody awesome.
	You know, she that actually like negotiated between Palestinians and Israelis, she was solid.
	It was all the TAs that were giant faggots.
	But yeah, I once, this one guy next to me in class said all, she's a fucking feminist.
	And Irini circa, you know, 2003 or whatever said, well, you like having casual sex, don't you?
	Irini 2015, different fucking opinion, but we all went to the same public schools.
	We all read the exact same books.
	You know, you, me, like, you think I don't know about all that social justice I'm supposed to believe in?
	Yeah, exactly.
	And that's the thing, you know, it's funny because, Really, I and when I first started making it the criticisms of feminists, I actually made them directly to fem.
	I actually made them to get a response from feminists to answer my questions, right?
	So you can actually see there isn't a gigantic change in uh how I do the video responses, and that I was actually trying to get them to talk to me, right?
	And over time I realized that a lot of these guys aren't going to talk to me, and that's why I kind of switched more to being really sarcastic about pointing out the hypocrisy and really more focusing on getting people to think about what's going on instead of you know just listening to me and bullshit them, you know.
	Like for example, like with Lacey, the Lacey Green videos, there is absolute garbage in Lacey's videos, and I personally don't even think Lacey Dee's have to shoot that she says.
	But the reason why I make the video responses is to point it out and to say, okay, look, this is some terrible advice.
	Let's think about something else.
	Let's try.
	This is different.
	And other people would then come in and have different conversations with me.
	And I think really, like I said, the whole point was to start a discussion with different feminists because it was really the whole rate poster thing that really got me.
	It was a lot of fun.
	You honestly thought.
	I'm guessing.
	You honestly thought that they legitimately believed in all of this and that you could speak to them like a human being and tell them your perspective that they just weren't aware of.
	And they'd say, wow, I'm being a little bit of an asshole.
	Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I thought.
	But no, that is not what happened.
	And so then I started making, and then a lot of other people started coming.
	Actually, I really didn't start getting kicked in this YouTube thing until I made a video about Elliot Rogers.
	When the whole Elliot Roger thing happened, I made a video where I said I was Elliot Rogers.
	I empathized with him and I understand why he became the way he became.
	And then that's when people started coming and checking me out.
	What a terrible man.
	When it came to the videos on feminism and the left-wing and all that, that was originally I was really just trying to actually engage in conversation.
	But over time I kind of changed to more, you know, mock them and make people think about different things at the same time.
	And then there's that, and then there's that, and growing up, I always bothered with our current society and our culture, because I guess people have always said I had an old man spirit, and there's always been some things that bothered me.
	And so that's why there are other videos I make where I kind of talk about society, like rap music and different things, and other different stuff that I have on my channel.
	So it was never really supposed to be worked around just talking about feminism.
	We were just kind of talking about the world that I see it.
	And I guess it's really easy to make fun of feminism.
	And feminism has a lot of power, which is why I do talk about it a lot.
	But my channel isn't specifically focused on just criticizing feminists.
	It's funny, it's almost the same story as the Becloff, who...
	Well, what happened to him?
	Is he was just trying to write...
	He writes, uh, landsharkattacks.blogspot...
	I don't know, look at...
	He writes on React TV.
	Just to go there.
	He was just trying to write about comic books.
	He doesn't know what the Manosphere was, what the MRAs were.
	And then a bunch of SJW trolls showed up and said, well, you want to Manosphere guys?
	And he's like, what the hell is a Manosphere?
	So he looks it up and he says, hey, these guys are alright.
	Yeah, and that's what happened to me, too.
	I didn't even know I was a part of the Manosphere.
	Listen, I was just talking about stuff and just trying to make people think about different topics.
	I didn't even know I was considered a part of it.
	And then God saw me, folks!
	Hallelujah!
	That's really how it happens.
	You just stand up one day and say, I'm sick of the bullshit.
	And then you find out there's a giant culture war that you didn't even know was happening.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I didn't even, I don't know.
	I was always in the oddball when it came to the things I said.
	You know, so that's kind of how it all happened.
	Originally, I was supposed to just, you know, make stuff like the Ziri show, just a comedy show, that I just put together with myself.
	It's different conversations I would think about.
	And so then, you know, from there, the video responses, you know, yeah.
	So I don't know.
	I've definitely noticed there's definitely been a shift in how I used to do things and I do things now.
	And, you know, it has a change over time.
	Well, you know what really stands out?
	And I meant to bring this up way earlier, but you started off as a comedy show.
	You were just going to poke fun at intellectuals that were being a bit inconsistent in your view.
	You didn't really see a larger agenda or anything like that.
	And now you're taking on well, it doesn't matter who you're taking on because they're all united.
	Like the mainstream media, the lowstream media, they're united against us.
	But a couple of videos of yours really stood out to me where you were criticizing the young Turks and this group of.
	I swear to God they looked like they were 16 years old.
	But they were all angry at this woman that was raised in a lesbian household and then had the audacity to say, I wish I had a daddy growing up.
	Exactly.
	I remember that one.
	And the sheer nastiness coming out of it.
	Like, now, Chenk.
	Chenk completely misconstrued her.
	Chenk's an asshole.
	Yeah.
	The hell with Chenk.
	That guy's a complete prick.
	What really stood out to me was these kids that were criticizing her and laughing at her and dehumanizing her and treating her like a brainwashed victim unperson.
	Like, it was just so it was very vicious.
	That it's so interesting.
	These open-minded, however you want to live, it's okay to be okay.
	And they just.
	It was a two-minute hate.
	Yeah.
	You know, the levels of hypocrisy that I see, you know, over on what you call the left-wing, you know, and the feminist, is mind-blowing to me, really.
	And I just, I kind of have to wonder how they live with themselves, really, how you can view that level of, like, double-thinker, how you can do, I don't know.
	It really does cause a great deal of cognitive dissonance to me when, like, in that video, that video, like, really, like, actually, the funny thing is, I'm going to, like, it, like, the original footage for the response to Young Turks was really angry.
	I was really angry that they were actually making fun of this woman because, well, I know that.
	We're in the era of listen and believe.
	Yeah.
	And this woman is writing about her.
	She says, I'm not angry at the gay community.
	I'm not angry at my two sons.
	I'm trying to fucking tell you.
	I wish I had a daddy.
	Exactly.
	Like, that heartfelt.
	And you're laughing at her as an unperson.
	Good lord.
	You know what?
	Go back to Rome.
	I'm sure you'd love watching those martyrs get eaten by lions.
	Yeah, and that's the thing.
	It really, yeah, so originally I was really angry and then I had to reshoot the footage because I figured, you know, I don't know, I didn't want to be angry.
	So that's when I was really more, like, really more, I guess more sarcastic and ready with the second footage of the Young Turtles video.
	The video, I forgot what they're called, but with the group of the Asian people.
	Now I really want to figure out I just let them speak for themselves.
	I just really want to show people that this is the world I'm living in right now, that a woman can say, look, I wish I had my dad, and they don't even understand the importance of father and bring to their children.
	A bunch of chuckleheads can just laugh at her and ridicule her.
	I mean, we get accused of misogyny.
	I know, right?
	Of misogyny.
	And the amount of times I've been accused of being a misogynist.
	Just wait for it.
	They're going to call you a racist at some point, too, for far.
	And I have never dealt so disrespectfully with somebody as they did.
	Yeah.
	Because even though I don't agree with everyone, I just you know, I never would just like I don't even when I say people are stupid, I don't really think that they're dumb people, you know.
	It's really more like childish mocking.
	You know, like, you know, oh, you're an idiot, that's dumb.
	You know, I don't ever actually think that these people don't have the ability to process information.
	It's really more the hypocrisy that I want people to focus on.
	It's not really the fact that they're just dumb idiots, it's that they're gigantic hypocrites.
	And there's some level of cognitive that doesn't allow them to see it.
	You say somebody's an idiot when you just demonstrate them contradicting themselves in the same speech, in the same video.
	You call them an idiot.
	These people call her an idiot for disagreeing with the politically accepted belief system.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And it's absolutely monstrous.
	Yeah.
	And seriously, kudos to you for refilming that, because it really stands out.
	Like the nastiness and vitriol of it all.
	And you know, maybe this makes me sound like a queer, but the Peshmo rocks.
	And nobody's watched Orgasmo.
	But it really is a choice between love and hate.
	Yeah.
	Like when you know, when I get frustrated with people, like I have a more serious tone in my videos.
	I'm angry.
	I'm Italian.
	I'm very good at being angry.
	They're passionate people.
	Mediterranean people.
	Yeah, you are.
	Like, we are very loving.
	It's not about dehumanizing the person.
	It's about being frustrated with them, frustrated with the untruth.
	Yeah, it's about exp with me, it's always about expecting more.
	And I realize I don't know if you call it, it's a double-edged sword.
	I do expect a lot more from people who have these platforms or people who have this responsibility.
	I think with great power comes great responsibility.
	And all honesty, Spider-Man did have a gigantic impact on my moral framework, you know, because that's really what it is.
	It's a frustration with how you don't see that you have an effect on these people and that these people really do care about you and that you really have a chance to really instill value in these people and let them learn and let them grow, but instead you take advantage of that to just spread your propaganda and just spread your bullshit.
	Like to hell with these people who really actually care about you.
	You're just using them and that bothers me about it too, you know?
	Dude, the irony is that these people are all on the political left.
	And yeah, I don't know if you watched Captain Planet.
	Maybe it was before your time.
	I used to watch Captain Planet a lot.
	I can't say I remember it, but I did use the catchment.
	It wasn't very good.
	But it's like the whole environmental mythos is that these evil corporations are just blindly and irresponsibly spreading, like they invent a brand new chemical that does something kind of useful, and then without any testing, without any, you know, well, how will this interact with organic cells, etc.?
	They just spread it all over the fucking planet, you know, because there's a buck to be made.
	And, you know, there is some truth to that.
	Listen, the environmental movement from the 60s, 70s.
	You know, I've read some of the case law.
	That's something I can get behind.
	It infuriates me as a capitalist that these short-sighted CEOs allowed it to come to the point where we needed lobby groups.
	You bloody idiots, you irresponsible fools.
	But that's sort of what these people are doing.
	They're glomming on to an idea, e.g., rape culture, and they're spreading it with absolutely no concern about the men that will be falsely accused, what will happen to fraternities.
	And they have to talk about the little boys, too, the children that get raised up.
	I mean, what kind of dumb phrases teach boys not to rape?
	Like, like, children, I mean, look, I mean, like, we were all children, so you have to understand, like, on some level, what gets me is how some people don't understand the psychology of children.
	Like, you were a kid at some point.
	You have to.
	There has to be some part of you that remembers that, right?
	You know, you don't ever instill in a child that their predisposition is to hurt people, because that causes them to hate themselves.
	Like, most men, most boys, they don't want to hurt women.
	They don't want to hurt anybody.
	But if you tell them that they have this innate nature, they just end up hating themselves.
	You can't teach a child that he has the potential to just go around and hurt the people he loves the most because that's not even his innate desire.
	And this is so absolutely toxic with boys, especially.
	Now, I don't know if you're an uncle yet.
	I don't know who that is, but.
	An uncle?
	No, an uncle yet.
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	I thought you said unpole yet.
	But no, I'm not an uncle yet.
	Here's the thing about kids.
	Little girls have all the confidence in the world.
	This is genetically programmed into our species.
	Little girls just know how valuable they are.
	Whereas little boys are very shy and nervous and fragile.
	A little boy needs to be challenged to be a man, but very gently and responsibly.
	Yeah.
	A girl knows that nothing bad is going to happen to her.
	Maybe that's just contemporary child-rearing faults.
	I don't know.
	But when you target little boys, little boys are so desperate to seek approval.
	Yes.
	You know, even from infancy, baby girls will cry more than baby boys.
	Because a baby boy that cries too much gets thrown out.
	Gets tossed into Mollock's arms.
	If you pay attention to the way boys go out and seek attention, boys don't ever actually just seek attention.
	They seek admiration for doing something worthwhile.
	Yeah, that's what a lot of boys seek out, is you know being told that they they meant something or that what they do means something to somebody else.
	And they never really like need a gigantic show, but that does happen if you don't get that, you know, like from your father.
	You know, going back to how your father plays a huge role in your life.
	You know, go ahead.
	Yeah, if you don't have a father, you wind up trying to seek the attention of other boys.
	And the elder, what kind of older boy hangs out with the younger boy?
	The criminals.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	So they encourage you to do criminal behavior to prove that you're a real man and you wind up setting something on fire or selling drugs for a living.
	And they blame this on no, the problem is not masculinity.
	The problem is a deficit of masculinity that you engineered.
	Yes.
	Toxic masculinity is a symptom of feminism.
	And you want to tell these little boys that they're all rapists?
	Absolute monsters.
	What are the environmental consequences of your ideology?
	And sometimes I kind of have to wonder, like, what exactly do they hope to gain?
	You know, like, because I say this on my channel all the time, you know, like, not every feminist is a pathetic person.
	Like, a lot of feminists that I've noticed, well, I won't say a lot, but some of them, are really egalitarians that just call themselves feminists.
	You know what?
	there's even the occasional Democrat that gives the charity.
	Yeah.
	But, um, yeah, some things, yeah, they're not, they're not, and I have to acknowledge that.
	I know everybody.
	You can't really say everyone is bad.
	And I do want to stress that as a point of my channel, too, is you've got to treat different people differently.
	But the feminists who do priest is propaganda, specifically them, I don't understand what makes them think that they're going to help anybody else.
	Either they're grotesquely ignorant on how children think, or they're just evil.
	There's no other way to put it.
	They're just evil to want to tell a child that their predisposition is to hurt other people.
	You know what?
	My good lord, my only response to that is, you know what?
	And this is going to happen to you.
	And it's probably, if it hasn't already, it's going to happen to a lot of people listening.
	You are going to meet evil one day.
	And it is both pathetic and sad, while also terrifying and dangerous.
	You know, when you look at what a feminist does, and again, a typical take a Gail Dines or anita Sarkeesian.
	When you look at what they do with their lives, where they head, what their results are, it's completely pointless.
	I mean, like, right now, Anita's making a few bucks, right?
	But, you know, what's the cost of that?
	What's the world she's creating?
	Is she creating a world where Anita Sarkeesian is happy and secure in her life?
	Or is Anita Sarkeesian creating a very unstable and dangerous world where she has millions of enemies?
	Evil doesn't make sense, and that's what's so terrifying about it.
	It's sad and broken and pathetic, but also very, very dangerous to everyone around it.
	And nobody wants to believe in evil.
	Do you know that line from every sci-fi horror movie about vampires where the vampire hunter says that no one would believe me if I told them?
	Yeah.
	You wouldn't believe me if I told you.
	I used to think that was nonsense.
	But it is absolutely true.
	Nobody will believe you.
	And if you start to show them evidence, if you start to show them the evil in the world, they will run away.
	They will block it from their mind.
	They will alter their own goddamn memories.
	just to avoid acknowledging the existence of this.
	Because when you meet... I'm not even talking about meeting, like, the demonic.
	I'm just talking about meeting a person that is so wrapped up in being evil that is such a narcissist or such a borderline that what they do is completely inexplicable.
	Yeah.
	Like the sort of person that will just, for example, they would pour lighter fluid on their own leg and light it on fire just so they could foam the cops on you because you forgot their birthday.
	Yeah, that's terrifying.
	I agree with you on that.
	Nobody wants to believe that exists.
	But it does.
	That's the crazy.
	It does.
	There are people.
	I saw a video the other day of a woman literally like almost jumped out of the car and then was like, why don't you throw me out?
	Like, why did you do this to me?
	And the guy had it on camera.
	Like, he's recording.
	He's like, the guy didn't touch him.
	Like, there are people who will legitimately do that.
	And you're right, it is terrifying.
	That almost exactly happened to.
	I saw that video as well.
	Aaron Clary had almost that exact scenario where a woman was threatening to throw herself out of the passenger seat on the highway because he didn't offer to buy her a Slurpee at the gas station.
	Damn.
	When he would have been happy to buy her one if she'd asked.
	like the depth of evil does exist and it is just so horrifying that we want easy evil We want understandable evil.
	You know, we want the Nazis.
	We want the red skull.
	Yeah.
	We want cartoon villains.
	That is all around us.
	And now, this is an interesting thing.
	Forney commented to me that he thinks that there's a lot of.
	The manosphere is very dark.
	The people in the manosphere, you, me, him, etc.
	We are very aware of darkness.
	And I think it goes for most of the subscribers on here.
	These are people that are aware of darkness.
	This is something I've found speaking to priests.
	I'm not talking about your BS priest, your whatever feels good, give me money.
	Prophets be with you.
	I'm talking like real legitimate priests that I have respect for, that I've seen perform good acts, are downright terrified of evil.
	Do you have any thoughts on that?
	Because you're not terrified of evil.
	I mean, you are, but as much as I am, I'm bloody terrified by it.
	And yeah, um, honestly, you know, it's uh one of my favorite scriptures in in the Bible is, you know, uh you know, do not treat evil for evil, but defeat evil with good.
	I think uh Romans is probably my favorite book in the Bible.
	Uh Romans, Matthew, both my favorite books in the Bible.
	But um it's it's that scripture right there.
	You have to beat evil with good.
	And uh that's what I try to do with uh with honesty and being straightforward.
	Because that that's the only way you that's the only way you can combat evil is you gotta face it down.
	Yeah, we don't defeat social justice warriors with hate, we defeat them with love.
	Yeah.
	Because and I think one interesting thing that I always say is um especially when it comes to like the the slut shaving videos is when people will say, you know, uh you you you're misogynistic when you hate women.
	And like well think about it for a second, you know, while you're calling me a misogynist.
	If I think you're doing something wrong and I say maybe you shouldn't do that, explain to me how I hate you.
	You know, like, I evidently have to care about you on some level if I don't think you should do something that I think is detrimental to you.
	And that's not me saying that you can't do it.
	I mean, physically you can, but maybe you should think about it.
	And I think that's you know, that's the best way to go about it.
	Instead of, you know, you can't really tell people what they can and can't do, because physically they can.
	It's more about giving them the option.
	It's more about telling them that they can choose what they want to do.
	But you've got to think about the consequences.
	And I don't think a lot of these feminists and social justice warriors want to even acknowledge the consequence.
	I I think that terrifies them a lot more than the act itself.
	The mere fact that you even have to face something happening to you is why they try to wound it or why they say I hate them or something like that.
	Well you know that I think perfectly sums up everything with the left, with the social justice, with the I don't know, to be melodramatic, the enemies of God, is that they they want to deny consequences.
	You know, I wish I could remember who wrote this, but somebody said that God never punishes you.
	God warns you about the consequences of your actions, but God never punishes you.
	You know, God's the one trying to save you for crying out loud.
	You know, he's the one trying to say that, listen, if you do this, there will be consequences.
	Please don't.
	You should think about that.
	And the whole the whole leftist paradigm is this world without consequences.
	You know, where you get to have as much bizarre sex as you want with as many partners as you want, and you never your future wife or husband does not judge you based upon your past behavior.
	Yeah, this world where you get a completely useless degree And yet you still get a job paying, you know, the high five figures.
	They reject the consequences of their behavior.
	Don't tell kids not to play in the street.
	Tell the streets not to run over kids that play there.
	Yeah, yeah, and that makes sense to them.
	That makes sense somehow.
	I don't know.
	It's a little crazy to me.
	And I think, you know, the interesting thing about that is, you know, nobody.
	I think it's you said it in one of your videos on evil, you know, was a, you know, more people are really seeking good things.
	You know, evil's just going about it in the wrong way.
	And I think, in a certain extent, I'm sure a lot of them, they really want to do good things.
	For the record, I miss that naïve te.
	I really wish most evil was good people seeking after good things in a bad way.
	I didn't say they're good people, but, I mean, they're seeking after something good, or at least I think it's good.
	Yeah.
	One of the things I've, uh, one of the things I've begun to notice is how crime demands to be punished.
	What?
	Where, like, listen, if you and I.
	Now, I'm certain that you, everybody listening, we've all had the conversation about how I would rob a bank.
	Or what have you.
	We've all discussed committing a crime in an intelligent way where we profit from the whole thing.
	But that's not why criminals commit crimes.
	It's not because they think they could profit.
	Ultimately, none of us robbed that bank, even though we had the perfect getaway car and perfect plan, etc.
	None of us did that not just because we would be punished, but because it's not what we do.
	We're not dishonest people.
	The recent episode of Better Call Saul really illustrated how the con artist does it because it's what they do.
	They like creating elaborate fictions that are false.
	And I really find like criminals are demanding to be caught.
	You know, they don't just commit a couple of crimes intelligently.
	They eventually need to commit the stupid drug.
	And honestly, that's something I really see with Sarkeesian.
	It wasn't enough just to make a whole bunch of bank making a bunch of videos at Lindsay Ellis.
	She needed to become a consultant for whichever processor company it was.
	I think it was Intel?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, Intel.
	There's an ugly insanity to evil.
	There's a complete, like, it's not just trying to get what you want through the wrong methods.
	Eventually it becomes, this is exactly what you wanted the entire time.
	You wanted Prism.
	You wanted your name to be dragged through the mud.
	You wanted All of these things.
	Kind of an economic reveal preference sort of a thing.
	Gotcha.
	Let's shift gears a little bit.
	Why the hell aren't you and I making bank, being let's play wizards and critique, and why the hell are we?
	Well, the simple answer is because we give a fuck about people.
	That's that's why you know it's it's and it's it's.
	It's not about just indulging, you know ourselves.
	It's about actually producing content that does something for other people.
	You know not to stroke my own ego, but I mean that that's what I try to do is give them something to work with or something to kind of help them.
	Yeah, as opposed to, I guess, a lot of these different narcissistic people I see on YouTube all the time.
	Go on, gosh man.
	Uh, I well, let's not name names.
	Let's have to name names, but it's way easier to criticize people without targeting them specifically.
	Yeah, but I mean there's a plethora to choose from, but let's, we don't have to.
	But the one gigantic problem that I really see with these people, these philosophers, is that ultimately, a lot of them are actually very sad people and they'll even make videos and they'll admit to being depressed, they'll admit to being sad, they'll admit to have all these different kinds of deficits, and yet they have this platform where they just have people feeding their egos and just feeding that shell that we were talking about earlier,
	just feeding that and it's just not conducive to anything and it's just not going to help these people in the long run.
	What they need is to be challenged.
	What they need is to actually work through the problems and if they want to keep making their comedy's fine, but to continue to feed off of that.
	That that's the ultimate problem with a narcissist and even just a good person, and that's what I see in a lot of these different vloggers.
	They're they're so sad, they're so depress, and there's just a lot of people who are just so sad and they just get this massive platform to just indulge themselves and the attention I guess they never got when they were younger.
	That's one huge problem I see happening there.
	You know, I suspect a huge part of it is that people want to see other people being miserable.
	Isn't that exactly what reality TV is?
	Yeah yeah, that's why, that's why I watch it.
	I can stand reality television, like actually.
	I think one of my uh, my philosophy professor put it best.
	He said, um, one day one of my friends told me we go watch uh, Keeping Up With The Kardashians.
	So he said I caught it on and I watched it and I said thank God these people have money.
	So he sat there, he said no, now why would I possibly say that?
	He said because these people are absolutely miserable.
	Thank God they have money, because their lives are terrible.
	And he's exactly why I'm there.
	These people are miserable and they have these gigantic platforms to do nothing but feed their narcissism and it's just terrible to me.
	You know that that nobody affirms them and really tells them that.
	You know look listen, you don't have to make a fool out of yourself and exploit your life.
	You know you need to fix your problems and if you want to keep, you know, doing the comedy videos, that's perfectly fine, but you can't feed off that.
	You know.
	There's nothing wrong with being a clown yeah, you know.
	But but don't live like a clown, Putting on an outfit and making people laugh, that's honorable, that's good, that's fine.
	That's brilliant, though.
	Thank God these people have money because they fucking need it.
	Yeah.
	The sad thing is that people are aspiring to be that these days.
	Yeah.
	And you can see the misery in their lives.
	It's just really a sad thing to me.
	It's really sad to see.
	These people are catty.
	They're in a bunch of drama.
	And I think one video I saw the other day kind of really put it best to me.
	So there's this girl, her name's like Piddleass.
	And she was dating this guy named Syndicate, right?
	And they're both vloggers and they both do videos together.
	And then when they broke up, a bunch of different subscribers in each of their communities were going back and forth about it.
	And so Kate made a video where she was talking about her personal life and what happened.
	And I was sitting there thinking that this is the price of when you exploit yourself to get fame.
	That people have an invested interest in what you're doing.
	And now you can hardly even have a private life because you spend your entire life just airing about your personal details to a bunch of people you've never even met.
	You know, you might see some at like VidCom, but I mean, it's millions of people.
	You just exploit your own problems for what?
	It's not to fix them.
	It's just, you know, you get this platform.
	And I think it's terrible that this is what people aspire to be.
	These are role models, and they're not role models.
	They're not people who fix their problems.
	They're people who indulge in their problems through.
	I don't know, I guess, you know, because it just tries to fill in a void of a deficit that they very fully have, but nobody wants to address.
	Yeah, the voyeuristic society.
	Yeah, I saw this cartoon picture, which it was supposed to be this cartoon of the United States where you had like soldiers on the outside facing outwards and then police facing inwards and then the American family in the middle and they're just watching the boob tube.
	But it's you know, they act like the boob tube is addicting you, like it's tricking you into watching this garbage.
	But with the internet, like with the we are seeing the agency.
	Every time one of these SJWs sends an angry tweet to you or me, we are seeing the agency of voluntarily not just voluntarily watching the boob tube, eagerly participating in that reality.
	You know, if God is very kind, there's going to be a great culling of the human race where all of the narcissists just won't have children.
	I don't think he's going to be that kind, but that would... that would that would certainly be a utopia wouldn't it?
	That would be amazing.
	If everybody that obsessed over human drama on the internet yeah as opposed to ideas as opposed to a philosophy as opposed to whatever if all those people just stopped having babies and they I don't know.
	I don't know what they have to do.
	We'll do something else.
	I don't know.
	Do you know what they'll be in future versions of Dungeon and Dragons?
	They'll be the dead-eyed ones.
	CR rating of 3.
	Anyway, we've been going for a while.
	Zerus, you got any last thoughts for the folks out there?
	Last thoughts.
	I don't know.
	Thanks for listening to his talk.
	I rather enjoyed speaking with E. Davis at the Great Times.
	And I don't know.
	Last thoughts?
	I enjoyed it.
	Hopefully, somebody got something out of what he said, and hopefully we didn't hurt too many feelings today.
	You know what?
	That sets off my last thought.
	Is that, listen, everybody listening, you know who you are.
	You know, if there's a label that you identify with, and I made fun of the label, is that you?
	If it isn't, then I didn't make fun of you.
	So, final thought?
	Try and minimize the butthurt.
	Zerus, absolute pleasure.

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