The Culture War - Tim Pool - Ann Coulter Breaks Down MAGA Divide
Aired: 2026-04-23
Duration: 33:02


=== Immigration and Non-Custodial Code (07:46) ===

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[00:00:59]  Thank you so much for joining me today.
[00:01:01]  I'm so happy to be with you.
[00:01:02]  Obviously, I don't even think you need any introduction, but maybe for the one or two people who just got into politics like a month ago, you could give a quick intro of who you are and what you do.
[00:01:12]  Massive New York Times bestselling author, 13 books, most recently Resistance is Futile, about how liberals keep attacking Trump for illegitimate reasons, driving those of us who are even mad at him back into his camp.
[00:01:27]  Instead of just attacking him for the things they ought to be attacking him for, they're just.
[00:01:31]  Anyway, before that, In Trump We Trust, and before that, Adios America, which launched Trump's.
[00:01:37]  Brilliant 2016 campaign, and I wish you'd get back to that.
[00:01:41]  Yeah, no kidding.
[00:01:42]  Well, and you have your fantastic Substack as well, which I think is one of the best reasons to be on everyone's list.
[00:01:47]  Thank you.
[00:01:48]  I have a good column going up today.
[00:01:50]  I love it.
[00:01:50]  I love it.
[00:01:50]  Well, I'll be on the lookout for that.
[00:01:52]  Well, I wanted to bring you in to kind of discuss what you're touching on there, which is I guess I want to kind of reframe the conversation from what happened two weeks ago to what is the future of the GOP?
[00:02:03]  Because I'm looking around and everywhere I look, I'm just very honestly kind of discouraged because, okay.
[00:02:09]  Trump, you know, the divide between Trump and, like, I guess you would say, like, kind of the podcasters, the commentariat, very obvious.
[00:02:15]  We all saw it play out.
[00:02:17]  You know, many people are not happy with the way that went down.
[00:02:19]  To steal man Trump, I mean, you had some of them saying he should be impeached or he's crazy.
[00:02:26]  You know, he needs to be 25th Amendmented and that sort of stuff.
[00:02:28]  So I can understand why he'd be upset.
[00:02:31]  But, you know, a lot of people also correctly point out that, I don't know, maybe like litigating this in front of the American public during a time in which your approval rating is going down probably isn't the best idea.
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[00:03:48]  Yes, good point.
[00:03:50]  Attacking your base.
[00:03:52]  Great idea.
[00:03:53]  I mean, as for whether.
[00:03:56]  Don't worry, we're probably going to lose midterms.
[00:03:58]  He's probably going to be impeached again.
[00:04:00]  And unlikely they'll have enough votes in the Senate to remove him, which probably wouldn't be good because that'll turn him into a martyr.
[00:04:08]  Maybe Democrats have learned that's a perfect example of resistance is futile.
[00:04:12]  They went after him so hard, so hard because they can't stop themselves.
[00:04:17]  They ended up getting him reelected with the popular vote, no less.
[00:04:24]  I mean, I just think go back to the issues.
[00:04:27]  You ran on.
[00:04:28]  Of course, young people and a lot of the MAGA base are disappointed.
[00:04:32]  The three most important parts of the Trump agenda and how he remade the Republican Party was no more stupid, pointless wars, bringing manufacturing home and not bowing down to the Chamber of Commerce crowd who just are fine with cheap foreign labor, whether it's here or there.
[00:04:53]  And most importantly, immigration.
[00:04:55]  Immigration, immigration, immigration.
[00:04:57]  We're losing our country.
[00:04:59]  It's affecting.
[00:05:00]  I mean, it isn't affecting apparently the very rich.
[00:05:03]  They're getting their pools cleaned really cheap now, not even a little slime on the pools anymore.
[00:05:09]  But community after community is just overwhelmed by not only people who are overwhelmingly bad for our country, they were bad for their own countries.
[00:05:21]  That's why their countries failed.
[00:05:24]  You have people who are not used to living with freedom, they're used to authoritarian governments being bossed around.
[00:05:32]  They certainly have.
[00:05:33]  I mean, even the British don't understand our commitment to free speech.
[00:05:37]  Forget about, you know, a Ugandan.
[00:05:40]  And they're bad for the communities.
[00:05:43]  They aren't blending with the culture.
[00:05:46]  It just seems to me we were talking about, the friend of mine was talking about Reddit Day Are Today, this totally cool guy who put out the fires, really macho thing during the first Iraq War back under the first President Bush.
[00:05:59]  And I just feel like that whole spirit of our country is kind of dying or being overwhelmed by a lazy welfare recipient receiving scamming third worlders, as we've seen with the Somalis and just the massive welfare use, the massive scams on Medicare and Medicaid.
[00:06:21]  And what was so great about our country, even when maybe technically the GDP wasn't that high, was that it was a country.
[00:06:30]  On the go, it was building, it was creating, it was car manual, well, starting with the pioneers conquering the West and dangerous Indian territory and drilling for oil.
[00:06:43]  And who knew if cars would come in?
[00:06:45]  They put up gas stations, we're going to bet on cars being the next method of transportation.
[00:06:50]  You had all of these risk takers.
[00:06:52]  And I mean, you do see that, but the only place you see it now is in Silicon Valley, it seems to me, that general industry.
[00:06:59]  I asked one of my friends out there, Why is it that the only innovation, the only new stuff and power and excitement is coming out of Silicon Valley?
[00:07:10]  And he said it's because politicians didn't quite understand it, so they didn't know how to regulate it.
[00:07:16]  And that's the country we're heading for, just stagnant, getting poorer and poorer, and Republicans will take turns managing the decline.
[00:07:24]  So, yes, Trump needs to get back to, whoa, shutting down immigration and mass deportations, finishing the wall.
[00:07:32]  We built any of it.
[00:07:33]  No more stupid, pointless wars.
[00:07:34]  We don't want to be the world's policeman.
[00:07:36]  I don't know how many times Americans have to vote on that.
[00:07:39]  And to the extent that it's possible with robots coming in, bringing manufacturing home.

=== The Real Real and Stagnant Decline (03:19) ===

[00:07:46]  I totally agree.
[00:07:46]  And this is kind of the thing with Trump he kind of has leeway to conduct operations, spend political capital that would be sort of unpopular with the base if he delivers bigly, to use his word, on immigration.
[00:08:00]  Because, I mean, to your point, Everyone can kind of sense it.
[00:08:03]  I've noticed that maybe people can't quite articulate it.
[00:08:06]  And this is like leftists will kind of jump on this.
[00:08:08]  And they'll be like, well, you know, he's advocating for mass deportations, but I asked my, you know, my neighbor and they just complained about only illegal immigration or whatever.
[00:08:15]  And it's like, because everyday people can't quite articulate specifically what's going on, but they are sensing what you're sensing, which is sort of that frontier culture, right?
[00:08:24]  That pioneering culture, you know, the culture that put a flag on the moon.
[00:08:27]  Everyone's kind of looking around and they're like, that's gone.
[00:08:29]  That died.
[00:08:30]  That died of my grandfather.
[00:08:31]  You know, like when your grandfather passed away, you go, wow, he was a certain kind of man.
[00:08:35]  And then his descendants are a little bit, Different.
[00:08:37]  They're a little bit softer, a little bit gayer to use, you know, to use language.
[00:08:41]  And everyone can kind of just sense it.
[00:08:44]  And again, I mean, President Trump, you know, this is the kind of thing is if he just really, and, you know, we are seeing progress, but I think people correctly understand how dire the situation is.
[00:08:53]  It's like people are impatient.
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[00:09:55]  I'm hesitant.
[00:09:56]  I mean, I'm a defender of the president, but I'm hesitant to just declare, you know, pop the champagne over immigration because it's like, No, people are desperate.
[00:10:04]  I mean, people are very impatient and they have the right to be impatient because, again, when I go to Costco, you know, it feels like I'm on some sort of like UN humanitarian mission.
[00:10:12]  I mean, it's unbelievable.
[00:10:15]  Yes.
[00:10:15]  Yes.
[00:10:16]  And I've always wondered why.
[00:10:19]  I mean, I think a lot of my ability to see what was happening with immigration, as well as Stephen Miller and others, is having lived in Los Angeles.
[00:10:32]  And I never understood why.
[00:10:36]  I'd go to a nice state like, well, this was back in 2004 before the Somalis really, really moved in in force.
[00:10:45]  But back to Wisconsin, I was doing speeches for Mitt Romney.
[00:10:49]  I guess that would have been in 2012.
[00:10:51]  And what was striking about Wisconsin back then, and I'm sure at least a dozen other states, was it was like you were living in 1950s America.
[00:11:03]  They still had blockbusters.

=== Othering Immigrants in 50s America (15:04) ===

[00:11:05]  And okay, you guys don't understand how immigration masks.
[00:11:09]  Third world immigration is going to change your world.
[00:11:12]  But do you have any friends in Minnesota where you can talk to them about the Somali surge?
[00:11:20]  Do you have any friends in Los Angeles or Texas?
[00:11:23]  It completely changes the culture.
[00:11:25]  And yes, of course, we can assimilate.
[00:11:27]  We're very good at assimilating, but not when they're coming in in these multi million tranches of people.
[00:11:36]  They create their own little ghettos within the country and they change us instead of us changing them.
[00:11:42]  I think what you say about the descendants of the pioneers is that even people who would like to go out and create and work and would be appalled that they or any of their descendants or relatives ever took a handout from the government, you start to get kind of discouraged and think, man, am I the only person not scamming the government?
[00:12:03]  And by the way, I don't think you are.
[00:12:05]  So keep being honorable, freedom loving Americans.
[00:12:10]  But yeah, after just every time the Democrats get in, They're bringing in millions of third worlders.
[00:12:18]  And I don't know, so far, Trump has technically deported only about 800,000.
[00:12:23]  Well, okay, it's going to take 100 years just to get back to the status quo ante from the end of the Biden administration.
[00:12:30]  Yeah.
[00:12:31]  Yeah, I know.
[00:12:32]  I mean, that was the estimate from the vice president.
[00:12:33]  I remember when he was stumping, he was saying 30 million illegal immigrants.
[00:12:37]  And it's like, that's again, that's the number that was given to him with the quantified, you could track down that number is correct.
[00:12:45]  The actual number is probably much higher because a lot of these people that are undocumented, so to speak, I'm using that term precisely here, have no documentation.
[00:12:51]  We don't know who these people are.
[00:12:53]  Probably 20, 30 million more.
[00:12:55]  And then in addition to that, I mean, this entire, I don't know how you feel about this, this entire wave of immigration post heart cellar, we need to take a second look at all these people.
[00:13:02]  I mean, there's some people that came in and they're good.
[00:13:04]  They've assimilated, they've bought into the American nation.
[00:13:09]  They're like, I'm done.
[00:13:11]  My ties, my old country, zero.
[00:13:12]  But a lot of these people, I see it.
[00:13:14]  I mean, I lived in New York City for years, I went to school in New York City.
[00:13:17]  I remembered, you know, to get really granular here, I remembered some of my classmates and they would be like second, third generation immigrants from Ecuador, like Ecuador, and, you know, their grandparents came here, but in their Instagram bio, they would still have the Ecuadorian flag.
[00:13:30]  And I'm like, that's a little, just a little indicator that says, hey, I still view myself as other.
[00:13:36]  I still view myself as outside that core American population.
[00:13:40]  And that's why I'm like, you know, everyone, I think we've talked about it before, everyone in the GOP can chess beat over illegal immigration.
[00:13:46]  Heck, most, a lot of Democrats would agree with you on deporting illegal immigrants.
[00:13:50]  But the legal immigration is really what's hurting people.
[00:13:53]  Like, I lived in Fort Wayne, Indiana for a little bit.
[00:13:55]  It's the like, there's Burmese people, people that came from Burma, right?
[00:13:58]  They came from Myanmar and they've changed a lot of these neighborhoods.
[00:14:01]  They have all their paperwork.
[00:14:02]  They're good.
[00:14:03]  They're not here illegally.
[00:14:04]  They had official paperwork signed.
[00:14:07]  That's why the term paperwork American came about.
[00:14:09]  And it's because these people othered themselves.
[00:14:11]  Like, this isn't us picking on them.
[00:14:13]  This isn't like a racial thing.
[00:14:14]  This is to say, again, legal immigration is actually harming people a lot more because, again, these people can get jobs and displace you from your jobs.
[00:14:22]  These people can, you know, buy homes.
[00:14:23]  These people can.
[00:14:24]  Participate in the American economy without actually buying into the American nation.
[00:14:28]  Yes, well, technically, Adios America was mostly about legal immigration.
[00:14:33]  I can't stand this idea that, oh, we love legal immigrants.
[00:14:38]  What people are doing, I mean, Americans are nice people and they don't want to be insulting to their neighbors who are legal immigrants.
[00:14:47]  Okay, fine, you're all really nice people, but still, when you can't say something out loud, you become unable to think it.
[00:14:57]  And you really need to think about this.
[00:15:00]  Since the 1965 Immigration Act, 90% of our legal immigrants have been from the third world.
[00:15:10]  As you point out, there is no sense of allegiance to this country.
[00:15:14]  There's a beautiful quote at the beginning of my book from Justice Brandeis at, I think it was called Americanization Day.
[00:15:23]  Yeah, that would be a hate crime today.
[00:15:25]  But I can't remember the exact quote, but he said Becoming an American is more than adopting the customs, the wardrobe, the habits of Americans.
[00:15:36]  It means loving with all your heart this.
[00:15:39]  Country, yeah, you are allied with this country, and we absolutely are not getting that.
[00:15:45]  I mean, I've talked to is you probably have people whose parents or grandparents were immigrants, um, you know, from Germany, from England.
[00:15:56]  And uh, one, for example, from the side of his family from England, um, he asked one time, um, you know, something about, you know, what wasn't granddad a lord, and his parents said, no, we don't talk about.
[00:16:12]  About that, here we don't have lords, we don't have that system.
[00:16:16]  We're living in, we don't even talk about it anymore.
[00:16:18]  Um, and I've heard many similar stories from you know immigrants from Italy and Ireland and Germany and so on.
[00:16:26]  Well, we don't have that anymore.
[00:16:30]  I mean, leftist groups actually say it's a hate crime to use to talk about assimilating uh immigrants, we should be assimilating to them.
[00:16:37]  Well, their cultures are disaster zones.
[00:16:40]  Um, they really are trying to destroy.
[00:16:44]  This country by what makes a country a country?
[00:16:47]  It was just a land mass for, oh, who knows, 5,000 words.
[00:16:52]  And yet the Indians hadn't done much with it.
[00:16:55]  Yeah, literally.
[00:16:56]  It took the settlers coming here to create what is this magnificent country.
[00:17:00]  So, how do you ruin it?
[00:17:04]  You change who the people are, overwhelm them.
[00:17:08]  You can take a beautiful, expensive bottle of French wine, and if you pour the wine out and fill it with vinegar, it doesn't matter what the label says.
[00:17:18]  What you got is a bottle of vinegar.
[00:17:20]  And that's what we're doing.
[00:17:21]  And people have to get over this idea.
[00:17:22]  It's weird, particularly after all of the anger, justified anger, with college students and professors cheering on October 7th, the October 7th Israel attack.
[00:17:39]  Those are all legal immigrants.
[00:17:43]  Yeah.
[00:17:44]  Yeah.
[00:17:44]  That's still, you still don't get it.
[00:17:47]  Yeah.
[00:17:48]  A lot of those people were like not just born here, their parents were born here.
[00:17:51]  I mean, it's like the level of rot is quite unbelievable.
[00:17:55]  And then, I mean, you touched on it.
[00:17:56]  Also, what's crazy is the entire immigration system is like completely warped.
[00:18:00]  It disincentivizes good people from coming here and incentivizes bad people to come here.
[00:18:06]  I mean, I think Trump had an old tweet.
[00:18:08]  It was Donald Trump, an old tweet where he was kind of lambasting the fact that, you know, his, you know, I think it was Melania, you know, coming from Europe was really getting roughed up by immigration authorities.
[00:18:17]  You know, her visa process was taking forever.
[00:18:18]  It was like borderline impossible for a year.
[00:18:21]  And I know this anecdotally from talking to a lot of my friends from Britain or Germany or people that would pretty much seamlessly immigrate, like, you know, seamlessly assimilate into the country.
[00:18:29]  They have to jump through so many hoops to get to this country.
[00:18:32]  I mean, it's unbelievable.
[00:18:34]  It takes years, et cetera, et cetera.
[00:18:35]  But then you'll meet someone that moved here from El Salvador or Guatemala, and it's like, I don't know, yeah, I kind of just showed up and they gave me a piece of paperwork and then, like, gave me a bit of welfare backing, and now I can live in Queens.
[00:18:46]  And you're like, what?
[00:18:48]  No, people should notice this.
[00:18:51]  Talk to anyone, any legal immigrants, and it's like Dante's inner circle of hell that they went through.
[00:19:01]  Often you will find, I've noticed in elections that, hmm, that's interesting.
[00:19:06]  Everyone thought, you know, Hispanics, they're like they're a monolithic group, the way, frankly, black voters are.
[00:19:14]  Oh, no, Hispanic calls himself Hispanic.
[00:19:19]  They call themselves, as you say, Ecuadorian, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban.
[00:19:24]  They're very proud of their specific.
[00:19:27]  And the idea that, I don't know, a Dominican in New York has any sympathy for an illegal alien Mexican is a fiction.
[00:19:36]  It was a fiction created by the Democratic Party and apparently believed by every Republican political consultant.
[00:19:44]  But I will notice that in areas with a lot of, that's sort of a side note, with a lot of legal immigrants, Hispanic or not, they're totally down with Trump's immigration program more than you and I are because of what, number one, what they went through to become.
[00:20:01]  To become legal immigrants.
[00:20:02]  Number two, they left those countries for a reason.
[00:20:06]  They were trying to get away from those bums and come to a successful country.
[00:20:11]  If you bring all those bums in, why did they bother moving?
[00:20:15]  Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[00:20:16]  And I guess to kind of get to the kind of thing we talked about at the top of the show, I mean, this is what freaks me out seeing the direction the GOP is going for two reasons is the kind of, I guess you would say, more right wing side, you know, the more, you know, I hate the term far right because there's barely anyone in this country that's actually far right.
[00:20:35]  I consider it the moderate middle.
[00:20:38]  Yeah, I know exactly.
[00:20:39]  I'm like, you know, what these people are reading Spangler every day.
[00:20:42]  No, no, they're not.
[00:20:42]  They're not far right.
[00:20:43]  Like, give me a break.
[00:20:44]  But, you know, these people that I guess you'd say are more hard line on some of these issues, some of the ideas that they're proposing now, I'm like, is this going to be my two options?
[00:20:53]  Where one option in the future for the GOP is like the Vivek Ramaswamy, where he just came out and he said, like, he basically reheated the Ronald Reagan line, but like made it even worse, where he was like, He said, you know, you can't just move to Italy and become an Italian.
[00:21:06]  You can't move to France and become French.
[00:21:08]  You can move to America and become American.
[00:21:11]  Coming from a guy named Vivek Ramaswamy, who the only thing really truly American about him is his accent.
[00:21:15]  And then everything about him, he's like, he's Hindu.
[00:21:17]  You know, his kids have non American names.
[00:21:20]  Like everything about him is, oh, this guy failed to assimilate.
[00:21:23]  That's going to be one option.
[00:21:25]  Can I just say, I'm just very resentful over people who are not descended from settlers informing us I'm as American as you are.
[00:21:34]  Well, so then, Skippy.
[00:21:36]  Yeah.
[00:21:36]  Yeah, welcome to the meeting.
[00:21:37]  Glad to have you, but knock this off about how anybody can become an American.
[00:21:42]  Well, that's been the pretend policy since 1965.
[00:21:46]  And like I say, if you let them in tiny, tiny little groups, yes, yes, we can turn them into Americans, but not when you have entire ghettos of, you probably know, and actually a lot of the Arab immigrants in Michigan came pre 1970.
[00:22:05]  Interestingly enough, those were the highly educated.
[00:22:10]  Yeah.
[00:22:10]  Middle Eastern immigrants, we got.
[00:22:12]  We used to get doctors and scientists, and it's the post 1970 immigrants that we think of as the potentially terroristic cab drivers.
[00:22:22]  No, they used to be slick, well dressed, well spoken.
[00:22:26]  That's a lot of the Arab community in Michigan.
[00:22:29]  Since 1970, some of the dregs have come in.
[00:22:33]  And there are street signs in Arabic and Détroit, as we call Detroit.
[00:22:39]  Come on.
[00:22:41]  You aren't becoming an American.
[00:22:42]  You're just coming here to get the free money from our treasury.
[00:22:46]  Yeah, literally, that's exactly what it is.
[00:22:48]  They're raiding the treasury.
[00:22:49]  And yeah, so that's like the one Republican I can pick from is that actually American means nothing.
[00:22:54]  It's just like you.
[00:22:55]  I was debating Myra Flores on the show, and like her entire conceptualization of what an American is is like they love freedom and liberty.
[00:23:02]  I'm like, that's like, and they're Christian.
[00:23:03]  I'm like, or no, she said religious.
[00:23:05]  The religion, they love God, they love freedom, they love liberty.
[00:23:08]  I'm like, that's like 90% of the world.
[00:23:10]  So you're basically just dividing the world between Americans and future Americans.
[00:23:14]  Like, thank you.
[00:23:14]  I can just vote for the Democrats if I want that.
[00:23:16]  Yeah, thank you very much.
[00:23:17]  So that's going to be my one option.
[00:23:19]  And then the other option I have now, this new emerging, you know, based right, we're the based right, you know, like these guys are clowns.
[00:23:26]  They're like, hey, in order to effectively get back at Israel, we need to ally with the third world to, again, like, you know, to like sort of, what's the word, kind of cut off our relationship with Israel.
[00:23:38]  And instead of, again, sort of presenting the case why and pushing voters in that direction, if that's like their political aim, they're like, let's ally with the third world, let's ally with the left, because they're saying the same thing on one point.
[00:23:52]  Which the conclusion for that's going to be obvious.
[00:23:54]  They're just going to like not go to bat on migration.
[00:23:56]  Look, you know, if you're allied on one issue, what you really think all these, you know, Mahmoud Khalil is going to turn around and be like, yeah, we really need a tight border.
[00:24:04]  That's what we really need.
[00:24:05]  Those are going to be my two options in the future.
[00:24:07]  As I see it, I'm just not really seeing anyone that's serious.
[00:24:11]  Like, no one that's serious.
[00:24:12]  And I'm not saying Trump, but Trump is like a once in a lifetime kind of thing.
[00:24:16]  Everyone's trying to be the next Trump.
[00:24:18]  And it's like, no, what we need next is someone that's serious, that's cutthroat, that like knows what to do.
[00:24:23]  And that's focused.
[00:24:24]  And right now, everyone's lost focus.
[00:24:26]  Everyone just wants to be entertained or placated.
[00:24:29]  And I'm just like, a few things about that.
[00:24:30]  For one thing, I'm so glad I am not in these corners of the internet that you describe.
[00:24:35]  I have not come across that at all.
[00:24:40]  Although I think it's rather stupid.
[00:24:42]  Some Republicans are whistling past the graveyard to say, oh, you can't believe what you're.
[00:24:47]  There's the Twitter world and the real world.
[00:24:49]  I heard somebody, a Republican, saying that on CNN the other day that, you know, the online world versus the offline world.
[00:24:57]  And well, there are two ways of interpreting that.
[00:25:00]  One is the online world is everyone under 60.
[00:25:03]  Yeah, that's true.
[00:25:06]  Yeah, that's true.
[00:25:06]  But it's also true that most people have jobs, families, children, little league games.
[00:25:17]  They're not constantly posting idiotic memes.
[00:25:19]  So I wouldn't be too afraid of snotty little teenage boys and what they post online.
[00:25:28]  Maybe I'm the one whistling past the graveyard here.
[00:25:31]  But I think, I'm sorry to say this, but to quote Ronald Reagan, You can always trust the American people, by which I mean the American people.
[00:25:45]  Yeah, we all know like what the American people are.
[00:25:49]  Yeah, it's the uh, what someone made this point it's like, be the American that the Japanese think you are.
[00:25:49]  It's true.
[00:25:54]  Every time you see a depiction of like Americans in like Japanese media, it's always like, my name's Jack Johnson and I have like a blonde flat top and I was in the army.
[00:26:02]  It's like, yes, be the American the Japanese think we are.
[00:26:05]  That's great.
[00:26:07]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:26:08]  So it, but it's so true.

=== Conservative Movement Running Out of Steam (06:52) ===

[00:26:10]  And I'm just like looking at this and And I don't know.
[00:26:13]  It's just, I think, you know, whatever problems there are with the Trump era, I agree, but I'm just looking at the post Trump GOP, and I'm quite frankly, Ann, I'm not too excited about what's coming.
[00:26:24]  One thing I'm sometimes optimistic, sometimes I'm pessimistic, but on the optimistic side is, I mean, one thing that Trump, thanks to my book, Adios America, has changed completely and forever is the public is now woke on the issue, as liberals would say, on the issue of immigration.
[00:26:45]  To see I mean, I was banned from Fox News for Adios America.
[00:26:51]  Now they're basically reading from it.
[00:26:54]  Elon Musk, every tweet could be, it's often a line or a joke directly from Adios America.
[00:27:02]  Don't know if the book could have done it by itself, but once Trump read it and ran on the issue, I don't think you can put that genie back in the bottle.
[00:27:10]  I agree.
[00:27:10]  So, whomever the next Republican candidate is, and no one's going to be Trump, don't try to be Trump.
[00:27:18]  You should never try to be somebody else, whether you're a political figure, an author.
[00:27:23]  Imitation never works, but particularly in the case of someone as idiosyncratic as Donald Trump, for good and bad, the next Republican, great Republican, is not going to be anything like Trump, as long as they're good on immigration.
[00:27:41]  I would say also, You know, really means it when he says no more pointless wars.
[00:27:46]  That would be fantastic.
[00:27:47]  And yeah, I don't know.
[00:27:50]  I think this war is doing a lot, a lot, a lot of damage to the Republican Party.
[00:27:54]  So I am a little worried about the next couple election cycles.
[00:27:58]  I agree.
[00:27:59]  And this is where I break, you know, from a lot of more vocal opponents of Donald Trump.
[00:28:03]  I mean, I agree.
[00:28:06]  I'm still skeptical that this, you know, I've been against the war from day one.
[00:28:09]  But in addition to that, even if I were to accept that, okay, the war is happening, let's get the best outcome possible, which I did fall into that camp, I'm looking and I'm like, Guys, this is going to leave us in a worse spot than we were before for a variety of reasons.
[00:28:22]  I mean, one, you could point to the foreign policy, but also, yeah, again, the Trump base.
[00:28:27]  Now he has a lot of ground to make up on domestic issues if he even wants to sort of win a lot of those more disaffected voters back over.
[00:28:34]  And I know everyone's saying, well, the base is still intact.
[00:28:37]  You know, some polling indicates that.
[00:28:38]  But again, look at the Republican and Democrat party are both losing registered voters.
[00:28:43]  Like the independent bloc of the country is growing more and more and more.
[00:28:46]  You're going to have to win those people over.
[00:28:48]  And immigration is the issue.
[00:28:49]  This is why I make this point.
[00:28:51]  Immigration is the issue, whether your pet issue is foreign policy, whether it's abortion, whether it's gay marriage, whether it's, you know, whatever, it's all derivative of immigration.
[00:28:59]  Because if we don't have the demographic core to elect right wing politicians, then the rest of that doesn't matter, quite frankly.
[00:29:05]  Yes.
[00:29:06]  Every issue gets easier to solve if you fix immigration.
[00:29:10]  Every issue we lose on if we don't fix immigration.
[00:29:13]  You know, as for these polls on the MAGA base, maybe this is fanciful, but I do wonder.
[00:29:21]  I think the question should not be, are you MAGA?
[00:29:26]  But were you MAGA in 2016?
[00:29:29]  Because if you're really angry and feel like you've been betrayed by Trump with this pointless warn, kind of dropping the ball on the big issue, immigration, are you still calling yourself MAGA?
[00:29:45]  So, it's almost like self defining those people who are part of the cult and will support Trump if he governs like Kamala Harris would have.
[00:29:55]  Yes, whatever he does, it's 3D chess.
[00:29:57]  Somehow we'll pull it off.
[00:29:59]  And if that's your mentality, you're going to keep calling yourself MAGA.
[00:30:02]  If you're thinking, wow, this guy betrayed me, you're probably not calling yourself MAGA anymore.
[00:30:07]  Yeah, that's a good point.
[00:30:08]  Yeah, I mean, because there's some polling within the Republican Party that are still support for the war in the 80s.
[00:30:13]  But I'm like, that's mostly people over 65.
[00:30:16]  And if Orban's anything to go with, When you lose young right wingers, the actual projection of your future, your political future for your movement is quite grim.
[00:30:25]  I mean, Orban demonstrated that.
[00:30:26]  If you speak to young Hungarian right wingers, they weren't too thrilled with them.
[00:30:30]  And I liked Orban.
[00:30:31]  I liked a lot of his policies, but there's truth to that.
[00:30:33]  Like, again, you can only define yourself in what you're against for so long.
[00:30:36]  Eventually, you got to like give something like, okay, this is what I want to see in the future.
[00:30:41]  And that's what like the conservative movement, I think, is just running out of steam.
[00:30:43]  But I think the conservative movement in general is running out of steam.
[00:30:47]  Orban was good for his time.
[00:30:49]  I was not really sorry to see him go and couldn't figure out why Trump and Vance were so invested in this guy.
[00:30:56]  I mean, the young liberal running against him was mostly running against him on the issue of corruption.
[00:31:02]  You stay in, that's why, to quote Antonin Scalia, this is why Lord Acton did not say, power tends to purify.
[00:31:10]  Stay in office long enough, and I gather there was a lot of corruption around Orban.
[00:31:16]  But the alleged lefty is rock solid on immigration, the one who won.
[00:31:20]  I don't know.
[00:31:21]  I might have voted for him too.
[00:31:25]  It was the same thing in Poland where, like, the Polish right wing party lost power and everyone's like, it's over.
[00:31:29]  Poland's like, bend the knees to the global liberal elite.
[00:31:33]  And then the immigration policy didn't change at all.
[00:31:35]  So I'm like, I think what's happening now is kind of a sort of re shifting, reorientation of the entire political space.
[00:31:40]  Democrats would learn.
[00:31:43]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:31:43]  Yeah.
[00:31:45]  Well, Anne, thank you so much for coming on.
[00:31:46]  We covered a lot of topics there, and the conversation we were going into could take up hours.
[00:31:51]  But thank you so much for coming on.
[00:31:53]  Where can people find you for more?
[00:31:55]  Thanks for reminding me.
[00:31:57]  I always forget to mention Ann Coulter.
[00:31:58]  Substack.com.
[00:32:00]  Great column going up today.
[00:32:01]  I have a video with a very interesting, smart person every week.
[00:32:05]  They're longer form interviews, and I actually read their books and what they have to write.
[00:32:10]  So I think they're pretty great interviews and a few other things I send out on Substack.
[00:32:14]  I love it.
[00:32:15]  Well, all Patriots will be reading and watching the Coulter Substack today.
[00:32:18]  Thank you very much, Ann.
[00:32:19]  We'll catch you next time.
[00:32:20]  Thanks, Tate.
[00:32:21]  All right.
[00:32:21]  That was the great Ann Coulter.
[00:32:23]  Always a pleasure to have her on.
[00:32:24]  And yeah, I mean, look, if you're talking, I know there's a lot of talk right now on the The Trump right, the Trump defenders, which I fall squarely into.
[00:32:31]  But again, people like Anne, they've been around the block.
[00:32:33]  They have the credibility.
[00:32:35]  When they're sounding the alarm on something within MAGA, you got to listen.
[00:32:39]  You really do.
[00:32:40]  I mean, I'm sorry.
[00:32:40]  Don't shoot the messenger.
[00:32:41]  It's just the reality of the situation.
[00:32:43]  So with that, we're going to wind this show down.
[00:32:47]  We'll be back tonight for Timcast IRL at 8 p.m.
[00:32:50]  I'll be on the show.
[00:32:52]  And we have the great Nick Sortor coming on as well.
[00:32:53]  It's going to be a great show.
[00:32:54]  Follow me on X and Instagram at Real Tape Brown.
[00:32:57]  Come hang out at 8 p.m. Timcast IRL.
[00:32:59]  And I'll see you guys next time.
[00:33:01]  Thank you very much for watching.