Violence ERUPTS In Minneapolis, Leftists Call For ARMED Resistance ft. Patrick Casey
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Because I know, I know that's like, you know, a cliche at this point.
It's, you know, people are like, okay, here we go with the Civil War talk.
But I really am seeing two countries here.
I mean, people that are literally going up to Bovino, who's like in a target using the bathroom and like screaming, we don't want you here, these sorts of things, simply for the crime of trying to enforce immigration laws that are on the books.
I think there's no conceivable scenario in which Trump carries, fulfills his mandate given to him by the American people to carry out mass deportations and that the left just like goes along with it.
So there was always going to be, unfortunately, given the insanity of the left, some chaos involved.
You know, it's not like I'm sure a lot of Democrats support the people literally out in the streets obstructing the Renee Goods, the people obstructing, you know, to varying degrees of severity these ICE officers and their deportation missions.
But it really is just like that radical, I don't know, 10th or something, but it's a very small amount of people that are willing to go out there and do that.
And what needs to happen is you need to arrest these people, which the Trump administration is doing.
You can't just arrest them for being out there.
They have the right to protest, right?
So you have to wait until they take things a little too far.
And as we've seen from the clips, as we've seen from, you know, the Trump administration posting the pictures, the faces, the names of people who have been arrested, you know, specifically in Minneapolis for going after and, you know, just kind of crossing that line.
You can see some of the footage outside of these detention facilities, Tate, where, you know, these guys are just waiting.
You know, DHS officers, it's just deportation engines, federal agents generally.
They're waiting for these scumbags to just like do the thing that allows them to haul them into the facility and to arrest them.
So it's pretty crazy as to, but I think that the feds basically need to win in that sense.
And it feels weird to say that as a right-winger, but the Trump administration needs to win, probably without using the military, without doing the Insurrection Act.
We need to show that you need to respect federal officers and you don't have the right to impede them.
You don't have the right to harass them, to stalk them.
And, you know, eventually you arrest enough of these people.
And I think that, you know, that kind of sends the message.
And, but we'll see.
I mean, there's, there's really no telling where we're going.
He was commentating on a video where ICE was just making a routine arrest of his people that were impeding their operation.
And of course, they were met with a bunch of resistance, these sorts of things.
And the thing he said, it jumped out to me was like, we've kind of joked around about it in the past, but we kind of do need a degree of reconstruction going on in the United States.
Like we do need something sort of approximating that to truly sort of reestablish some common ground.
So it's not just two completely opposing factions, but just two parties, you know, proposing maybe disagreements on economic policy.
Do you agree with this consensus?
I mean, because that's strong language, but I look at that and it's, I'm not balking at that anymore.
Yeah, that's so many people have noticed this division that, you know, even if we're able to, the Republicans are able to win elections, there are a lot of people out there who are, even if they're not in the majority, are just not going to, you know, agree to disagree at the end of the day.
And I think the reason for that, a big part of that, is that there used to be a broad consensus or a broad center in American politics.
You know, if you go back, people love bringing up the fact that, you know, Barack Obama, it was either his initial campaign or his reelection campaign, I think it was his latest reelection campaign, that Barack Obama said that he believed marriage was a man and a woman.
This is Barack Hussein Obama.
And, you know, flash forward a few years later, then you've got Tucker Carlson on Fox News saying that he believes that gay marriage is essentially a good thing.
You know, this is the rights, like scariest, most right-wing pundit.
You know, Hillary Clinton supported a border role.
You have Biden supporting the 94 crime bill that was a good thing.
I know, you know, I see conservatives trying to own Joe Biden during when he was in office.
94 crime bill was like pretty good.
We believe in law and order.
So that's just like there used to be a broad consensus.
Now there isn't that broad consensus on like basic stuff.
Like children cannot become and should not become transgender.
That, you know, we need to actually have some level of security, ideally robust security at the southern border.
And of course, law and order that, yeah, we support, we need to support law enforcement.
We do not side with criminals, with illegal aliens over, you know, the good men and women in law enforcement, federal, state, local, whatever, who are just trying to enforce the law.
So the fact that we don't have a consensus on that means there's going to be some pretty severe polarization.
I don't think we're going to see actual civil war or anything of the sort, but it just means that when we're trying to accomplish an agenda that was very popular, mass deportations were not exactly a secret that Trump was going to do that when he was elected.
That was a central promise to his campaign.
And so Trump needs to deliver that.
But yeah, it really isn't a good sign for a country to not be able to agree on things that previously were fairly consensus on both sides of the aisle.
So it's really kind of, again, no telling where we're headed.
That was what really jumped out to me with the Renee Good shooting is, you know, a lot of people were saying like, you know, what drives a society where there are middle-aged women are going out and being foot soldiers for this, you know, this cause or whatever.
And I look at that and I'm like, all of this started literally because Nick Shirley walked around and exposed like the most obvious fraud in history.
Like it's like a scandal of utmost proportion.
The fact where he scalped a Democrat governor, I mean, that's how bad the fraud was.
That's how all of this started.
Kirsty Noam says, yeah, we're going to send some DHS agents in there to mop it up.
That's what kicked all of this off.
That's what started this entire unrest, so to speak, in Minneapolis.
I mean, what does that say where you have these women like Renee Good who like literally are willing to put their lives on the line for fraudsters, for murderers, for rapists, like literally the worst aspects of American society.
And they're willing to literally die for those people with kids at home.
I mean, I know we're hitting on it, but like, again, I'm just, I'm just trying to figure out how do you get out of that?
I mean, that is, that is brainwashing of the utmost proportion.
So those people are unfortunately, they're not, they're not going anywhere.
And, you know, you can't, despite what some people on Twitter would like to have happen, you can't just lock people up for being a lip tard, essentially.
And as far as I'm aware, the Trump administration is not currently working.
Flock killing us all.
Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't count on Congress introducing any legislation to fix that.
Maybe if we get rid of the filibuster, we'll see.
But in all seriousness, you know, this is something Curtis Jarvin has dealt with as well, just the idea of like, okay, even if you like you're, you, we almost, yeah, we almost do have red and blue America to two pretty different countries in a way that, you know, even a few decades ago, the division was not this stark.
And the things that people bickered over politically were not like basic civilizational things, basic prerequisites for civilization, like having, you know, law enforcement or having having a border.
So I, you know, I don't know.
Curtis Jarvin, one thing he he will point out is look up denazification and what it took in Germany to totally expunge Nazism.
And you say totally and it's like, yeah, I guess there's still some like, you know, neo-Nazi biker gangs or something.
So it's, you know, they're not really a serious force in German society.
But what it took to totally stamp out Nazism in Germany was really extreme.
And I don't think American conservatives really have the stomach for doing that to libs.
And I think in any society, you're going to have people that lean a little more liberal, a little more conservative.
Again, so it's about trying to reestablish that center.
And we just, you just need political power at the end of the day.
That's not enough.
There are always going to be Rene goods who are trying to subvert and sabotage totally reasonable popular plans, right-wing policy, you know, sort of platforms.
But it's if you have power and you're using it in the right way.
And ideally, on a long enough timeline, it's you rack up enough wins.
Those people don't feel as emboldened, right?
Because if the Renee Goods of America are just sitting at home and complaining on Reddit, then that's not really a problem.
The problem is when the Rene Goods of America are going out and putting federal law enforcement in self-defense situations, when they're ramming federal law enforcement with their cars.
So what I'm hoping happens here is we're able to triumph essentially in Minneapolis.
We're able to, DHS is able to pull off its operation successfully and that people, it sends a message that, look, you can go out there and you're just going to get arrested.
You have the right to protest, but anything beyond that, which obviously if you've seen any of the footage, the freaks in Minneapolis are going well beyond.
But yeah, there's a longer question, Tate, a broader discussion that needs to be had about, you know, what is going to happen in this country when, you know, even as the right wins, elements of the left grow increasingly desperate and, you know, turn to violence, terrorism, and these sorts of things.
The last I'll say on this is, you know, people notice that the resistance, if you remember that from Trump's first term, was not here after Trump won.
You know, you had this in 2017, you had just this wave of like all of these, you know, liberals and like influencers, Democrat officials, you know, all of that.
And it was that, there was very little of that after Trump won.
Like a lot of institutions buckled to Trump, you know, tech, like this, the business world.
And, but the left, that doesn't mean everyone gave up on the left.
It means that the left realized it was losing and the more radical elements became even more radicalized.
And that's why you're seeing a lot of the stuff that you've seen.
That's why you saw, of course, the horrific assassination of Charlie Kirk.
This is what you saw in the 60s and the 70s as well, you know, with the Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army, these like straight up left-wing terrorist organizations, right?
They did that because the 60s didn't turn into a straight up communist revolution.
There's a lot of like commie stuff in the 60s, but you had Nixon that won in what, 68?
And from that point on, the leftists were like, wait, this wasn't what's supposed to happen.
I'm like, the reason they're doing this, the reason that they do kill Charlie Kirk is because in a way, they do feel backed into a corner.
So in a weird way, it's an indication that we are winning.
But it just furthers the point that this is why you have to really stamp out every level that you have legally available to you.
Because I mean, that's sort of the thing.
Like we're talking about the two different things.
I kind of want to almost steel man maybe the people on the right that are a little uncomfortable with what's going on, because I actually understand it.
I mean, we're on Rumble.
This audience especially has been tapped into the political zeitgeist for a long time.
They experienced the Biden winner.
They are tapped into the news cycle every day.
I can understand the impulse to be almost hesitant when you see the federal government making these broad overtures, making these decisive decisions, because we're so used to that apparatus being weaponized against right-wingers.
It's been this way for 60, 70 years, even when Republicans were in office.
It's still in many ways, this entire apparatus was pointed towards, for all intents and purposes, oppressing the right.
I mean, making it more difficult for us to enact our means, these sorts of things.
So I can actually kind of, to a degree, understand why you're seeing a lot of these commentators on the right sort of stick their head up and kind of counter signal, for lack of a better word, some of these actions the Trump administration is making.
What would your sort of pitch be to those people?
Or maybe not pitch, but what would your sort of message be towards those people who are like, I don't know, what if they turn this background on us in four years?
Like, you know, are we sure this is the correct direction to go?
Let's say worst case scenario, you know, Vance gets the nomination.
Vance getting the nomination.
That's not the worst case scenario.
Vance gets the nomination.
Whoever gets the nomination loses on the Republican side and you get President Newsome or something.
President Newsome is going to gut ICE is what he's going to do.
The likelihood of him keeping ICE and deploying ICE agents to harass, I guess, I guess, normal Americans, it's just that that isn't what ICE does, basically.
And so I wouldn't worry about that.
I mean, I understand, especially if you have more libertarian inclined members of the audience.
They're people that are part of the MAGA coalition, to be sure, some of them.
It's just not, it's not going to happen.
Also, the Democrats will do what they can to screw with the right, but they're not going to be sending ICE agents to hunt right-wing people down because they posted something critical of the Democrats or something online.
That's just not really what it would look like.
Getting, you know, they really want to want to gut ICE because they'll be afraid that if they keep ICE the same like huge level of, you know, with as many ICE agents, with all of the funding that ICE has received under Trump, thanks to the big beautiful bill, that it's going to be, you know, that in the next Republican administration, they're going to use it.
So like the next time the devs get power, they're going to try to cut ICE.
Whether or not they abolish it is remains to be seen.
Those calls are obviously sort of resurfacing here.
But I think that I think on some level, the Democrats understand that they have to like at least pretend to be doing border security.
So I think they would gut ICE, but they would say they're making it more efficient.
They're just saying, oh, we're not using this.
So I'm actually not worried about that.
Now, there's a separate argument that, you know, seeing massed, you know, seeing the feds rolling, you know, like a few hundred deep.
I mean, overall, there are thousands of federal agents in Minneapolis, which as far as I'm concerned is a good thing, given how lawless and anarchists anarchic it's become.
There's an optics concern, though, right?
Because we have to win, you know, elections.
We have to win midterms.
We have to win.
So, you know, you can, you can't just go like super hardcore and ignore public opinion.
And, you know, there's some evidence that public opinion is kind of, you know, people kind of soured a bit on the deportations, but, you know, that is.
what Trump was elected to do.
So, and it's, it's necessary for the country.
So I'm a little more sympathetic to that one is, you know, is this going to hurt us long term politically?
And that's why I think it's important.
I ultimately you do need to dispatch like ICE agents to go because these guys are not just going out.
These guys are when they converge on a city like this, they are prioritizing.
It doesn't mean they're only going for the criminals, but they're prioritizing like the straight up hardened criminals.
This guy, Jonathan Ross, the hero ICE patriot who shot in self-defense, Renee Good, you know, when he previously was run over, he was dragged 300 feet, Tate, and his arm was, because he had tried to break into the window of the car.
The guy wasn't getting out.
You know, it's like the law enforcement stuff.
His arm was caught in like the jagged broken glass.
This illegal that he was trying to get, and I think they did get eventually, was a convicted child molester.
So like, well, when they're sending the feds in, these are the, these are the people.
This is the scum that Renee Good and these other delusional, you know, anti-ICE libtars are trying to keep literally on the streets, keep in our country.
And it is totally despicable.
So I think at the end of the day, these deportations are something that you need to have done.
But at the very least, we want to minimize, you know, there's going to be some friction, right?
There's going to be a little chaos.
We don't want to lean into that too much.
On social media, you know, official government Twitter accounts probably shouldn't highlight protesters getting owned by pepper spray or something of the sort, even though, even though I like it, but I can, you know, we'll see the clips from other accounts.
Yeah.
So we just got to, I think the optics concern is good.
And also the last thing I'd say is we also have to work toward, you know, during Operation Wetback, which prior to this was the biggest mass deportation campaign in American history, there was a one to 10 ratio of someone who was deported, like physically removed from the country and people who self-deported.
Why?
Because the other illegals are like, holy cow.
Like, and I think that's part of Trump's tactics.
If you're in a city and you see like thousands of ICE agents and it's literally the only thing people are talking about in American media, yeah, you bet if you're an illegal immigrant, you're getting the hell out of here.
I've seen like libs who are not illegal saying like, I'm getting out of Minneapolis.
I'm scared.
So obviously illegals are scared as well.
So we want there to be mass deportations.
And a lot of that is going to happen, obviously, through self-deportations.
The last thing I'll say is we don't have to physically remove all of them.
Putting on like a big scary show is, you know, might spook voters a little bit, but yeah, it's helping get these people out on their own, which is the ideal way of doing it.
You don't want to have to physically haul every one of these, you know, I don't know how many tens of millions of illegals out of the country.
And other things like e-verifying, other things like making it harder for illegals to, you know, get driver's licenses, jobs, these sorts of things.
I know a lot of this happens at the state level, but these sorts of measures need to happen in conjunction with the physical removals that ICE so far is doing a pretty good job of doing.
Well, yeah, because I mean, that's the response people give with the optics question.
They're like, well, it's not politically prudent to conduct these sort of shock and awe operations.
My counterpoint is like, you know, what's not politically prudent is if you take your time and you're a little slower on these things and they start having kids and they stay in the country and they vote.
Like that's much more politically inexpedient than just like ripping the bandaid now.
You take like five points off in the polls.
You can make that back up by the midterms because there's something to be said.
I mean, other guests have, you know, mentioned this on the show is like, look, the American news cycle spins very fast.
It's a hamster wheel.
So people will get adjusted to the new standard, so to speak.
So it's like, as you raise the ante, given enough time, people get used to that.
And then you have the, again, to spook people, you would have to raise the ante again.
Because this is the point I've made.
Part of the reason people are so dissatisfied, not everybody, but a proportion of the base is dissatisfied with sort of Trump's performance on immigration so far is because they got used to the new elevated standard.
Like, five years ago, if you advocated for net negative migration on a conservative panel, you would have gotten like tossed off and called a white supremacist or something.
And then now that's the official policy of the United States government.
And it's like well overdue.
I mean, in many ways, we probably ran out of time like 15 years ago.
So it's well overdue.
But it's like we kind of had to stop.
It's easy for people, like zoomers, especially.
I mean, because I was 14 when Trump came down the escalator.
Like I only know politics in the context of Trump.
So maybe it's important to like look back and say, even compared to Trump won, hey, we've moved the football like 20, 30 yards down the field.
If we just keep with this momentum, we're going to be okay.
We're actually going to win.
I mean, again, this is sort of reorienting this entire apparatus.
It takes more than, you know, six months or nine months or however long we are.
We're in a year now.
We have three years left.
Vance is in decent shape or, you know, the Republican Party in general is poised to at least be competitive in 28.
Like, let's, let's just take, take our time.
Because again, and then you'll have these people.
It's a lot of people on the left too, where they're like critical of the optics and the shock and all, but then they're also like complaining about how the mass deportations are too slow.
I'm like, what did you think this was going to look like?
I got clipped by Media Matters because I said like, you know, when the podcast bros were like, wow, these ICE videos, they look pretty bad.
Like, I don't know.
This seems a little too brutal.
And I just said, like, how, what did you think?
What did you think an ICE operation looked like?
Do you think these people are just going to comply?
These are literally hardened criminals.
Of course, it's going to get a little like ugly.
That's just how this works.
And then they clip me as if this was supposedly like I'm some crazy radical.
Look, it, yeah, no, look, during the first Trump term, we, Trump has done more in one year than he did in his first term.
And that's what a lot of people have forgotten.
Also, no one was talking about most of these issues.
Certainly not at national, the national political level.
In 2012, when Bromney was challenging Barack Obama in one of their presidential, one of the debates, the moderator asked Mitt Romney, what would you do about all of these illegals in the country or some equivalent something along those lines?
And he said he advocated for self-deportation.
Now we hear that and we say, well, yeah, but that's, you know, just you have to do something to make these people self-deport.
Well, even just saying something as milquetoast as that garnered, you know, immense, you know, created a lot of controversy.
Even Renz Priebus, who was the chair of the RNC at that time, he denounced those comments as, and I quote, heinous.
So this is, this is the pre-Trump GOP.
And yeah, you Zoomers out there, especially you younger ones, I know you get it, Tate, but some of them have just, all they've known politically is Trump.
So they're like, why isn't Trump opened up a portal to a Garfield yet?
It's like, well, you know, that's one of his campaign promises.
Yeah, you know, maybe we wait till 28 with Vance and he will deliver something, promise something like that on the campaign trail.
But it, yeah, people just get really accustomed to things, things change for the better.
And then they become accustomed to that as the new normal.
And then they just become, they resume their, you Know.
High expectations, and you know it's okay to have high expectations.
You just have to be realistic.
There are a lot of things that I would like Trump to do that he's not going to do.
I would like an immigration moratorium or some kind of legislation that would considerably limit legal immigration into this country, because a lot of the bad stuff that happens tape through immigration happens regardless of whether the people come in legally or illegally.
Look at Minneapolis, yeah, in when they're busting these fraud rings, most of the Somalis who get charged are U.s citizens.
These are not people that like, should have been had had that offer to become citizens in the first place.
Yeah um, so I you know there's there's stuff that we can be critical of with Trump, but you just got to remember things have moved very far in the right direction.
There's a lot of good stuff happening, and there are people online that are trying to turn you against Trump, because selling outrage porn is the only way that they can stay relevant as influencers.
So you people, you know, watching this in the audience.
I would encourage them to just kind of be on the lookout.
For that are these people.
A lot of these people are are trying to lead you astray.
They're trying to turn you against Trump um, because they view they're they're more concerned with their own career as as an influencer.
Um yeah, so it's uh, but yeah no, things are.
Things are going pretty well overall.
There's a lot that needs to happen in the remainder of Trump's uh, second term.
Uh but, like I said in his first term, on basically every major issue on immigration, right ended the border crisis almost overnight.
Yeah um, and you know people don't give him really credit for that.
It's, I guess, just once you solve a problem that no one's talking about it anymore.
But yeah he, he spent four years during his first term like trying to figure out how to get a handle on on the southern border and he just, you know, by the end he figured out what to do.
Okay well, like by you know, week one of this term, he basically solved the problem.
We've got net negative migration.
As you've pointed out, he secured the single greatest increase in immigration enforcement funding in U.s history.
Uh, he's taken an axe to this anti-white sort of civil rights bureaucracy.
He's done the most damage to anti-white discrimination and similar policies since these policies were introduced in the 60s.
You know, everywhere for all.
Everyone wants to talk about Reagan and Nixon, these sort of anti-deep state um, you know, like meritocracy figures, I guess um, although uh, Nixon was the last of the, the sort of the Great Society uh presidents, but um they, they did nothing even remotely approaching what Donald Trump has done uh, to combat this insane race communist uh bureaucracy that's that's, you know, festered in the, in the American government.
So there's, and there's a lot of other great stuff that's happened just in the first year and i'm sure there's plenty, plenty more to come.
Yeah, that was so funny, the clip the other day with Trump where uh, he was just kind of like off this, He just instinctually understands these things because he was just like kind of throwing the idea around with the anti-white racism, sort of how to combat it.
And he's just like, yeah, yeah, they're just like really getting roughed up out there.
Like he, he doesn't have these like elaborate political philosophies and like these nerdy, like wonky, you know, policy institutes that he's reading.
He just instinctually understands a lot of these issues right away.
Sometimes the policy comes out, you know, a little sloppy sometimes, but it's like, again, you just look at these things, you look at the record, you look at the wins we've had, and you're like, this is just clearly someone who instinctually understands these things.
This is clearly someone who is able to assemble a team that's directionally correct.
And I just don't really understand why you would throw a, you know, something in the spokes other than, like you said, the kind of self-interest almost.
And this is so interesting.
When Trump won, I didn't understand this impetus from a lot of people, a lot of really, you know, guys that I respect and like a lot, where they were saying, like, look, the conservative movement is not poised to govern.
They're not poised to lead.
And I was like, what do you mean?
Like, you know, Trump, like this team he's assembling is fantastic.
I didn't realize he was talking about everyone else.
I didn't realize that they were talking about like, as soon as we are in a position to lead, suddenly we would lose faith in ourselves to wield power and people would get like suspicious or skeptical and it would just turn into a massive dogpile.
And that in many ways is what's happened.
But I mean, that's why Trump is, it's great that he's president because that gives us something to rally or rally around.
But yeah, with that, Pat, I want your final thoughts and more importantly, where people can find you for more.
Well, you really can't respect the officers who are going out and doing this work enough.
Yeah.
They really, you know, if you know any of them, you know, buy them a drink or something, basically, because these people understand, especially in the aftermath of the Jonathan Ross shooting, justified shooting of Renee Gold, that they're risking their reputations.
I mean, his family basically had to go into hiding.
You know how insane people on the other side are.
They're risking, you know, obviously they're putting their lives on the line.
They're risking their safety.
You know, they're risking, you know, dad not coming home.
You know, it's crazy stuff.
And also they're risking the potential for serious legal problems in the event that whenever there's a subsequent Democrat administration.
So these guys and gals, because I guess some of them are women too, deserve all of our respect.
They deserve praise on social media.
You know, that's what little we can do.
But, you know, I know people involved in this sort of work.
And yeah, they like, they're on social media.
They like, you know, it's good to see that there are people out there that, you know, that don't hate them.
I mean, the incentive structure on the right for the longest time has bended towards contrarianism, has bended towards, you know, nitpicking these sort of things.
And it's totally, totally justified.
I'm not downplaying that.
But Pat laid out pretty well.
Like, things are directionally correct.
Things are moving in the right direction.
Minneapolis, I agree.
Like, if we can mop this up without having to, like, completely break everything, that's, that's great because we still have to win elections.
I mean, it's unfortunate, but it's true.
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