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| Rudyard, how are you doing, brother? | ||
| Good to see you. | ||
| I can't complain. | ||
| How about you? | ||
| I am doing all right. | ||
| Well, I know the Timcast audience, you've obviously been on the show, your regular, I would say, in many ways. | ||
| But for the people who don't know who you are, which is an infinitesimally small portion of the population, your lore precedes you, legend, legend. | ||
| But can you give people a quick intro who you are, what you do? | ||
| I'm Rudyard Lynch. | ||
| I'm 24 years old. | ||
| I run a YouTube channel called What If Alt Tist in History 102, which looks at the patterns in the past to predict the future. | ||
| Thank you so much for having me on, as always. | ||
| Of course, of course. | ||
| Well, I wanted to bring you on in twofold. | ||
| I want your reaction to two things. | ||
| A, your reaction to the Bondi Beach shooting in Australia, what that says about Western society at large, sort of how these immigration policies have affected us. | ||
| And also, I wanted to get your reaction to multiple Republican congressmen coming out in the last few days saying, like, look, not only do we need to introduce a Muslim travel ban, but we need to sort of amplify and ramp up our remigration efforts. | ||
| So to start with the first one, Australia is interesting because it's really emblematic that the issues with Western civilization are more so psychological and spiritual than they are genuinely political. | ||
| Because Australia should not be a country that is facing threats from external immigration. | ||
| It should be the country on earth, them in New Zealand, which are singularly most immune to foreign threats. | ||
| That's why Mad Max is set there, because it's understood that if there's a nuclear war, Australia will be the last place humans survive. | ||
| And oftentimes Australians aren't even bringing in immigrants from Indonesia or China, countries where I would not support immigration from there, but it would be rational. | ||
| They're hardworking. | ||
| They assimilate easier than Muslims do. | ||
| But when you're bringing in immigrants from Pakistan or the Middle East or whatever, that just signifies that in a country like Australia or New Zealand, you just have a civilizational death wish. | ||
| And I think that's a layer that goes undersaid these days. | ||
| And I often find that in the Anglo-diaspora countries besides America, wokeness is significantly worse than America. | ||
| In Australia, they don't really have, they don't have the oppositional force to say no to wokeness. | ||
| So it just keeps on eating them up again and again and again. | ||
| And it's the same issue with Canada. | ||
| Yeah, because that's my question is Australia and the United States are probably the most similar countries on earth, maybe outside of Canada, in the sense that Australians had to go through a similar sort of ethnogenesis that Americans did as far as, look, they were initially settled by the English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish, et cetera. | ||
| And this had to synthesize into a new sort of ethnic identity because they were removed from the motherland. | ||
| And at the time, obviously, there was no internet communication. | ||
| So they had to rapidly sort of form into a new identity. | ||
| But the American ethnogenesis seems a bit stronger. | ||
| I mean, obviously there's these questions. | ||
| There's this debate of what is an American sort of circulating in the American political zeitgeist. | ||
| But what happened to Australians? | ||
| Why are they not able to conceptualize themselves? | ||
| Why are they not able to organize and lobby for themselves? | ||
| Why are they not able to sort of identify, okay, that person is not an Australian? | ||
| Because in America, even people on the left, I think, sort of instinctually understand this. | ||
| Yeah, it's two different reasons. | ||
| First of all, is one of my favorite authors, David Hackett Fisher, wrote a book called Fairness and Freedom. | ||
| And it's an assessment of New Zealand's founding versus America's founding. | ||
| And it's interesting because these are two settler colonial Anglo-societies that were British ancestry, free societies, open. | ||
| And the thesis the author picks is that America's foundation in the 17th century set it up with a very different paradigm than New Zealand's in the 19th, where in the 17th century, Europe was fighting constant religious wars. | ||
| It was the development of science and freedom was the biggest issue of 17th century England where they killed the king. | ||
| And America has kept all of these sort of cultural traits from 17th century England, which is why the closest thing to what Shakespeare spoke would be modern American English. | ||
| We speak an archaic dialect of what English would have looked like 400 years ago. | ||
| And in 19th century, Britain that populated, I love the term Antipodes. | ||
| That's the word for Australia and New Zealand. | ||
| It's the other side of the earth. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| I always imagined it as like an octopus creature. | ||
| But the Antipodes, they were populated in the 19th century in the aftermath of the French Revolution when Charles Dickens was writing about just the grinding poverty of the early Industrial Revolution, when people were paranoid there'd be another revolution. | ||
| And Britain 200 years ago, in my opinion, did something genuinely good, that they tried to sort of reroute the society away from French Revolution oppression. | ||
| And so social justice was a much bigger thing in early 19th century Britain, while freedom was much bigger in the 17th century. | ||
| And the Antipodes crystallized this notion 200 years ago that fairness and social justice are the most important thing. | ||
| And in America, it was freedom. | ||
| And so what this means is that Australia and New Zealand get stuck in tall poppy syndrome, where if you talk to a lot of people from that part of the world, they'll often move to Britain or America, because if you try to achieve things in those societies, other people cut you down. | ||
| It's very much even upper class Australians will try to act like they're working class and they're just here to do Barbie on the beach. | ||
| And it's a very sort of low, low, like low tension culture. | ||
| And they can't break out of that because, or it's hard for them because there's not a lot of external threats. | ||
| And a really un PC element of this that I think is still fundamentally true is America faced a greater threat from the Native Americans than any of the other Anglo-settler societies. | ||
| And also slavery in the South meant that a lot of America had to develop a sense of almost Nietzschean master morality. | ||
| Because when you look at the authors that American Southerners were reading 200 years ago, it was the ancient Greeks and the Romans because they were looking for parallel slave societies where you need to have the warlike sort of masculine edge. | ||
| And that is an argument that the left will use. | ||
| But I think there is a degree of validity when you have that sort of culture pop up in America. | ||
| I mean, there's also something to be said about the fact that, you know, America was settled by Puritans. | ||
| I mean, a lot of people have pointed out that Oliver Cromwell in many ways is like sort of the OG founding father. | ||
| And in addition to that, obviously there was sort of this sense among colonial Americans of the Norman yoke that, you know, the freedom that, you know, we are aspiring to the United States is really just a pre-Norman state of affairs for an Anglo society. | ||
| That's getting probably too in the weeds for a Rumble live show. | ||
| But I think there's something to be said versus the Australians, like you're pointing out, where it was, you know, that sort of came about later on in the 19th century is really when it crystallized. | ||
| A lot of those people had already made their way to America. | ||
| So the sort of stock of sellers that would come to Australia were people that followed much more in line with sort of 19th century social science. | ||
| In addition to that, I want to ask you, what is sort of driving, because you pointed out at the top, the immigration patterns coming to Australia, they don't really seem to align with what would be conventional thinking as far as like if you're trying to plug holes in your economy. | ||
| What drives a society to import like people from these Islamic countries where they're very violent countries? | ||
| We're seeing this in the United States as well. | ||
| We're bringing in people from Somalia, Afghanistan, these sorts of things. | ||
| And every number, every metric is indicating these people are not, not just not assimilating, but they're actually a draw on the American system. | ||
| I mean, Somalians, I mean, CIS has put data out indicating that foreign-born Americans at large are in a drain on the welfare system. | ||
| They have a larger participation in welfare than Americans. | ||
| What is sort of the mindset of these people that sort of still insist that, no, this is working. | ||
| This immigration system is fine. | ||
| It maybe just needs a few tweaks rather than an overhaul. | ||
| James Burnham wrote a book in 1961 called The Suicide of the West. | ||
| And it's a really horrifying book that an intelligent conservative author writing in the 1950s could predict the end point of this, which was the suicide of the West. | ||
| And what he wrote is that if you actually look at the moral code of liberals, and he said at the time that the liberals were America's dominant ruling class, and that didn't become the sort of party consensus until COVID, the left was able to lie that WASP reactionary Christian fundamentalists were in charge of America. | ||
| But going back to World War I, the progressives took over authority. | ||
| And what James Burnham said is that the liberals don't have a coherent moral code. | ||
| They just support whatever policy makes the West hurt. | ||
| And they will adjust their own moral code so that the West hurts. | ||
| And this is their actual moral code. | ||
| And he said, if you establish a society where these are the incentives over the course of decades, you'll have the suicide of the West. | ||
| And that's their ultimate goal. | ||
| They will look at whatever the West was 500 years ago and do the opposite. | ||
| 500 years ago, Muslims were the enemy. | ||
| It was a patriarchal society. | ||
| The nobility ran society. | ||
| It was Christian. | ||
| And so what the left does, because their aim is the suicide of the West, is just take a traditional Western society and then do its opposite. | ||
| Somalians are about as far away from a Western population anthropologically as possible, which is why we're importing them. | ||
| And it's a profoundly gross and immature thing that they're trying to do civilizational suicide and they're not even honest about it. | ||
| It's like they're popping back the pills, but they won't even say they're doing it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this gets us really interesting. | ||
| So obviously, and I agree with everything. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| This is something interesting. | ||
| The Republican congressmen, obviously bringing the knives out for sort of this Islamic immigration. | ||
| They're saying, you know, well, this is causing a huge problem. | ||
| And I agree wholeheartedly. | ||
| They're saying, look, Albanese, he's trying to drag his country, Anthony Albanese, the prime minister of Australia, is trying to drag his country through a struggle session over anti-Semitism when the anti-Semitism seems very concentrated to one singular population in the Australian public. | ||
| I don't think that the, you know, traditional heritage Australian really thinks about Jews that much. | ||
| They certainly don't have an axe to grind with them, maybe a small portion of the population, but I would say they're politically irrelevant. | ||
| I don't think this is a widespread issue in the Australian public. | ||
| I think it's concentrated a very specific portion. | ||
| I want to make this point, maybe not, and maybe pick your brain, see if you agree. | ||
| It's very interesting to me that all across the West, on the right specifically, we are able to mobilize against anti-Semitism en masse. | ||
| And as we should, anti-Semitism is horrible. | ||
| It's prejudices or people that are facing increasing levels of terrorization and terrorist attacks and these sorts of things. | ||
| But why is it still uncouth to address anti-white sentiment? | ||
| Because it seems like with a lot of this immigration policy, like you're pointing to with Somalia, that's really an attack on white Americans. | ||
| They're really trying to displace them in Minneapolis. | ||
| I mean, I've pointed out in the show before I've gone through the demographics of New York City, how that's been radically overhauled. | ||
| Why is that something that seems to not be, we're not able to address and say like, hey, this is also prejudice. | ||
| This is wrong. | ||
| It doesn't make sense in the incentives of a normal society because we're not a normal society where it's a lot of sort of weird incentive structures that pile up so that the end result is the destruction of the shared society. | ||
| And when the founding fathers established American democracy, they were pulling from the Greeks and the Romans and all of these democratic thinkers in the ancient world. | ||
| And what their main thesis for how to run a democracy is how do you build incentives so that you don't end up in a system where the interests of the elite are to deconstruct the society to pillage it. | ||
| And what we did was we made an almost religious structure where doing that exact thing was the moral aim. | ||
| We're deconstructing the society was the moral aim to do. | ||
| So we sort of short-circuited ourselves to the worst possible option. | ||
| And I mean, I can give you, I can give you the answer. | ||
| It's just profoundly unPC. | ||
| Let's find Ron Rumble, so we can let it fly. | ||
| In a normal society, you have sort of masculine hierarchical authority that maintains structures of functioning society because most people fundamentally do not want to be independent. | ||
| They want to be part of a broader structure where they have community and they have work and meaning and that stuff. | ||
| And so what happened is that this desire for sort of authority and discipline and structure got transmuted into destroying the society, where, because when these people are saying white people are bad, like white society has no value, what they're really saying is that white society lacks structure and discipline. | ||
| And so we're going to keep pushing up against it until we receive this. | ||
| It's a civilizational shit test. | ||
| Fascinating. | ||
| Yes, I do think that's what's going on in large part. | ||
| I mean, you pointed out the deconstructionist nature driving a lot of this immigration policy. | ||
| I don't want to mischaracterize, but that was my sense. | ||
| It does appear to me to sort of come back down a bit with our immigration policy. | ||
| It seems a lot of this is driven by self-hate as well, where these people that are advocating for this hate themselves, specifically talking about white liberals. | ||
| And that's what I have in mind here. | ||
| They have hatred for themselves because there's, again, we made the point, there's just no way to flush out Somali immigration numbers-wise. | ||
| The math is just not there. | ||
| It doesn't make sense. | ||
| It's not a rational policy. | ||
| The only thing that seems to me that could be driving that at large part is self-hatred, self, sort of a poor perception of self, a poor sense of identity. | ||
| And they want to take that out in the American public. | ||
| They want to take that out on people that do have a strong sense of self-identity. | ||
| And that's the ultimate way to punish these people for doing so is by flooding their communities with people who really despise them, or if their IQ is not high enough to possess hatred, will just sort of inflict punishment on them by their presence in large part due to their crime rates, due to their drain on social welfare systems. | ||
| Hatred doesn't have an IQ cap. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| I mean, it's this is sort of a natural end point where we don't think anything that's not material exists, but it clearly does. | ||
| There clearly is non-material things. | ||
| And so if you have a society that says life doesn't matter, that gives no value for just the human soul and human life, that gives no structure for human life to develop between how to raise children, how to get married, how to support a community, how to have a sense of identity and values. | ||
| And you build that society, which is just totally sort of built against the human soul. | ||
| And you're surprised that society commits suicide. | ||
| That's a normal line of causation, where it's the whole meme of looking at houses or cars or McDonald's. | ||
| And over the decades, all of them lose their color and all of them lose their sort of human element. | ||
| So every McDonald's is a steel and glass box now. | ||
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| Yes. | ||
| This is why I struck, and this is, I'm a devout Christian. | ||
| So I'm coming from this, addressing my camps, sort of their remedy for the situation, is I think it's a bit short-sighted to just say the way out of this, the way to provide value is just simply to attend church, because even in the United States specifically, a lot of these churches aren't providing value at a metaphysical level anyway. | ||
| They also kind of resemble these McDonald's in a lot of ways, these churches that are really just big box enterprise. | ||
| It's a TED talk and a rock concert fundamentally. | ||
| So I'm even skeptical that with the current state that Christianity is in in the United States, that this would even provide the meaning to people for them to sort of dig themselves out of this hole of despair and whatnot. | ||
| At least that's my assessment of the current situation. | ||
| We lost something very valuable with World War I, and that was the sort of Indigenous European rights to pride, where when you go into World War I, you'll see a society where you have people trained in the Greeks and the Romans and the classics and history and the Bible with these highly elaborate codes of politeness and fashion and art and culture and dress. | ||
| And when the left says white people don't have culture, it fills me with such unfathomable rage is, yes, we don't have culture because you guys killed it. | ||
| This is like an abuser taking away your stuff and then blaming you for not having it. | ||
| And so white people used to have a lot of culture leading up until World War I. | ||
| And we lost that, but that was fundamentally the thing that propelled all of this. | ||
| Where when you removed that culture, you removed all of these implicit social rules and senses for reality in all these different things. | ||
| And you sort of went from a society where the two polarities were sort of the European warrior and Christianity. | ||
| And then you removed the warrior culture and then you replaced it with Marxism. | ||
| So you have Christianity in the middle, or at least a version that's been sapped of a lot of its vitality. | ||
| But then the midpoint has moved between Marxism, society needs to die for the revolution and Christ dying for our sins. | ||
| Well, the midpoint between these two that was functional was the Crusader, between the warrior tradition and the Christian tradition. | ||
| And so you need to shoot the Marx. | ||
| I like to say people blame the Jews, they blame women, they'll blame various groups. | ||
| But when you look at the death of the old America, the Marxists have a plan to murder it. | ||
| They have the gun. | ||
| They said they did it. | ||
| And the Marxists have a multi-step plan on why or how they wanted to kill the old America. | ||
| And our inability to accept Marxism's culpability in this process, I think is very dangerous. | ||
| But you have to root out all of the Marxist assumptions that we didn't even know we had and then replace them with pre-World War I era European culture. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| I mean, because as a Zoomer, and you could probably relate to this in some senses, you grow up, and I grew up in a very conservative family. | ||
| And so you grow up where Marxism is often addressed and pointed out as the root of a lot of these problems. | ||
| Like infamously, you will say, well, these Democrats are all communists and these sorts of things. | ||
| So you kind of get conditioned to almost roll your eyes when you hear these things. | ||
| And so when you're a Zoomer and you start to sort of engage in political commentary and start to interact with politics writ large, you already write off Marxism. | ||
| You're like, well, that's like the boomer take, right? | ||
| It actually has to be sort of this hidden esoteric knowledge. | ||
| But then you really analysize, analyze things, and you're like, no, that is actually true. | ||
| It's a lot of these Marxist assumptions are driving a lot of this rot, a lot of this destruction. | ||
| I mean, you pointed out, I think, excellently, is the sort of traditional white, like specifically WASP culture really did die in the world wars. | ||
| You're seeing now where white Americans are kind of flailing in many ways, sort of looking for Dr. Submarine, he's a poster on Twitter. | ||
| He made this point where they're looking for sort of a subculture and identity that they can find security and longevity in. | ||
| And he actually addressed, he said, like this sort of country music culture, this barstool culture in many ways has kind of been what white Americans are synthesizing around because they feel like, okay, this is something that does have longevity, something that has some legs to it and they can find security in this. | ||
| That's why you see, you know, you can go to like Queens to like an Italian neighborhood and you don't see them participating in like the Dago culture or whatever. | ||
| They're like wearing cowboy boots and they're listening to Morgan Wallen and they're tuning into college football because it's like American, white Americans specifically are kind of flailing in many ways. | ||
| They're looking for something grounded that they can sort of attach themselves to. | ||
| Yeah, that's very much true. | ||
| And I think of we had the WASP elite until the 60s, people from Philadelphia, New York, Boston, who ancestors came over in the 1600s and they were America's elite for centuries. | ||
| And then we covertly replaced the WASPs with Marxists. | ||
| And the WASPs lost their edge, where it's a wasp culture is one that tries to maintain the trappings of aristocracy without any of the edge. | ||
| I find when you push wasps, they don't push back. | ||
| They give concessions. | ||
| And I agree that country Scots-Irish culture is the one that we have that has the potential to actually become a new American sort of culture. | ||
| And you're a southerner. | ||
| I'm from Pennsylvania. | ||
| And it's interesting to look at rural northerners where they'll take up southern culture. | ||
| They'll listen to country music. | ||
| People in my hometown in Pennsylvania would gradually get more and more southern accents. | ||
| And I have mixed feelings about that. | ||
| Partly, I don't think northerners should appropriate southern culture because southerners have their own distinct heritage, their own distinct environment where I live in Texas. | ||
| I won't call myself a southerner until other southerners call me a southerner because I don't want to sort of water down that society. | ||
| And in America, in the north, rural northerners used to be the sort of fulcrum of all of American society. | ||
| Hollywood, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, they were founded, maybe not Silicon Valley, but the others, they were founded under the pretension that this was the realization of a general American culture that started in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and upstate New York. | ||
| And the rural Anglo-North has totally lost its culture. | ||
| And they've been reliant on Southerners because that's the only proud Anglo society. | ||
| And when I see the sort of Scots-Irish, Celtic, country-American culture, it's something that if you sort of adjusted it a little, it could work for both northerners and southerners because you don't need to have the strictly southern elements, but the things like independence or honor or pride in your own work, those are things that can work irrespective of if you're northern or southern or if you're Christian or agnostic. | ||
| And I like to say that the new hub for conservative America is a region that stretches from Texas out to Pennsylvania and upstate New York. | ||
| And it's the fusion of the Rust Belt, the Midwest, and the South. | ||
| That's our new core region that we have to pull support and leadership and cultural capital from. | ||
| I totally agree. | ||
| And I think to kind of go back to the main topic, I think a lot of this is reaction to mass migration where part of the part of what's grinded these sort of subcultures down, like specifically in the New York metro with your traditional, like one of the more Italian culture, even like your West Coast culture, et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| I think a lot of this is just reaction to mass migration because it has sort of muddled these communities where these cultures would have developed. | ||
| And so people, as soon as they don't have those touch points, they just react to what they can see online and conceptualize. | ||
| And so I think largely, I mean, yes, a lot of this is because of the vacuum that was created following the death of that culture and the world wars, but I think a lot of it also is a reaction to the mass migration, sort of seeking a differentiating factor from these newer arrivals. | ||
| Another variable people don't forget, or another, sorry, another variable people forget is a huge thing that I see as an anthropologist is in the late 20th century, women and especially a certain sub-demographic of women in a certain age category basically lost interest in maintaining their inherited culture. | ||
| And this is a global trend you see even in places like Southeast Asia or China or in Eastern Europe. | ||
| And what happened when that occurred was it became very difficult to pass on the culture cross-generationally. | ||
| And so you saw this cultural breakdown towards the universal globo homo that occurred from end of the Cold War until 2008. | ||
| And so you saw a lot of regional cultures around the world get blown out by that because it's hard to compete with the internet or wokeness or any of these given things because these are very sort of sticky ideologies that can grab on anywhere in the world. | ||
| And then once you lose the ability to pass on culture cross-generationally, it's just an issue because the culture loses all fertility. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Totally agree. | ||
| Chad is demanding slurs. | ||
| I don't think they like, I don't know if they like this conversation. | ||
| They're demanding slurs. | ||
| So your point with the win, why do all these hoes look like Kim Kardashian now? | ||
| I think that actually is like a very salient point. | ||
| So yeah, I think that's fantastic, Rudyard. | ||
| Thank you very much for hopping on. | ||
| We are running a little low on time here, but I really want to pick up on this maybe at some point in the future. | ||
| Do you have any final thoughts on where people can find you to find your work? | ||
| No, hit me up later. | ||
| Yeah, we'll do. | ||
| All righty, brother. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| I'll catch you later, dude. | ||
| All righty, that was the great Rudyard Lynch. | ||
| You can find him at what if altist pretty much everywhere. | ||
| He is fantastic. | ||
| He is excellent. | ||
| Yeah, no, it's very salient. | ||
| I mean, yeah, we kind of really went in depth there on sort of the anthropological elements at play here. | ||
| But yes, I think it's true is a large part that's driving sort of this mass immigration, mass suicide of the West is it's occurring in a vacuum. | ||
| It's stemming out of self-hatred. | ||
| A lot of people in the West, these white liberals that are often lambasted, hate themselves and they hate the fact that they're white. | ||
| And they're going to take that out by basically robbing future white people of their inheritance. | ||
| I think that's absolutely what's going on here. | ||
| There's really no question about it. | ||
| Somali immigration is indefensible at this point. | ||
| Immigration from Afghanistan is completely indefensible at this point. | ||
| A, the economics are not there. | ||
| So even if you were to grant them their argument, they're failing in our economy. | ||
| They're taking welfare. | ||
| The majority of them are taking welfare. | ||
| And then also they have a propensity to carry out terrorist attacks. | ||
| So it's like, what are we doing here? | ||
| You know? | ||
| So with that, we will be winding this show down. | ||
| We're going to be raiding Devori Darkens. | ||
| Surge, if you could fire up that raid for Devori. | ||
| We have producer Surge in the house. | ||
| With that, we'll be back tonight for Timcast IRL at 8 p.m. Eastern. | ||
| We are on the West Coast here in Las Vegas. | ||
| So it'll be at 5 p.m. for us, but we will see you there. | ||
| You can follow me on X and Instagram at RealTate Brown. | ||
| Come shoot me a message. | ||
| We'll discuss this further if you found that conversation interesting. | ||
| I certainly did. | ||
| I hope you did as well. | ||
| With that, yeah, we're going to wind down today's show. | ||
| And we got that raid going for Dvore. | ||
| And yeah, thank you very much for watching. |