The West Is COLLAPSING Under Mass Migration | The Culture War's Across The Pond
Special guest John Doyle joins Tate and Connor for a special Thanksgiving edition of Across the Pond on The Culture War to break down JD Vance's viral X post arguing that mass migration has transformed, and in many ways destroyed, Canada's social fabric. They discuss how identity politics, weaponized diversity narratives, and rising anti-white rhetoric are destabilizing Western nations and eroding the cultural foundations that once held them together. Despite Tate enduring camera connection issues, the trio trudge on to explore the imported political and social dysfunction that comes with the waves of immigration from the third world, the clash between Western norms and developing-world behaviors, the social decay in the United Kingdom, and why the West keeps repeating the same policy mistakes. BUY CAST BREW COFFEE TO SUPPORT THE SHOW - https://castbrew.com/ Become A Member And Protect Our Work at http://www.timcast.com Host(s): Tate Brown @realTateBrown (everywhere) Connor Tomlinson @Con_Tomlinson (YouTube & X) Guest: John Doyle @JohnDoyle (YouTube & X) My Second Channel - https://www.youtube.com/timcastnews Podcast Channel - https://www.youtube.com/TimcastIRL
Yeah, for those who aren't familiar, Connor Tomlinson.
I chat a load of rubbish about the fall of my country on YouTube, on Substack, and mainly for Courage Media.
And as we were saying off air, I live in seething envy of both John's new setup for his excellent new show, but also the fact that he beat me to an Incredibles and Beauty and the Beast thesis that I had also shared.
Sometimes people get mad at me for that, but it's like the perfect like content litmus test because one, you can't take anything too seriously.
Like I am, yes, obviously laundering my like right-wing views through like children's films.
But if you are seeing that and like unironically getting mad about it, then like you have lost at that point.
But it was also just extremely effective too.
Like with the Beauty and the Beast thing, we like normalized very anti-feminist talking points, not just like, you know, third wave feminism is excessive, but like legitimate from the baseline, like Belle probably shouldn't be reading these books because she gets these ideas in her head and then everything goes crazy.
We normalize that to like hundreds of thousands of people.
And still to this day, every like five days, I'll see like another Gaston discourse and people will like, you know, tag me.
And I've had guys like, oh, no, no, thank you.
You cured my girlfriend's libtardism because I showed her that video and now she's like red-pilled.
And it's like, yeah, dude, you have to meet people where they are.
Normies are stupid.
They need things explained to them through the lens of children's films.
Yeah, literally, like, I remember seeing discourse, I was like two years ago now, where they were trying to say that Cars was like a right-wing extremist.
There was right-wing extremist messaging behind it.
And I sat back and was like, that is true because like the whole thing is like this lost cause sort of motif.
Literally, they're like Radiator Springs is going to rise again on the backs of freaking lightning.
With that, speaking of, well, it has nothing to do with it, actually, but this is a very basic take from JD Vance.
I'll flash it up on the screen.
I wanted to bring you guys in to discuss this.
This is from the vice president of the United States.
Keep in mind, this is where everyone's dooming and glooming.
This is from the vice president of the United States.
He's showing, he's commentating on this graph here that shows how America's living standards have really diverged from the UK and specifically, especially from Canada.
He says, while I'm sure the causes are complicated, no nation has leaned more into, quote, diversity is our strength.
We don't need a melting pot.
We have a salad bowl, immigration, and sanity than Canada.
It has the highest foreign-born share of the population in the entire G7, and its living standards have stagnated.
Unbelievable that we're hearing this from the vice president.
And this is on the backs of what me and Connor discussed yesterday on our show with the State Department sort of rolling out this statement.
Like, hey, our allies are being hamstrung by mass migration.
It's destroying everything.
And what they specifically highlighted was it's destroying these communities.
And this is really something.
There's something to be said about Canada being the country that leaned into this the most.
What do you guys think is the lesson that should be learned from Canada?
Know it's kind of obvious, but we got to get this going somehow.
I uh I do like how he says that Canada has become a salad bowl rather than a melting pot.
First of all, the idea that the melting pot is desirable when it's it just reduces everyone's culture down to the kind of indigestible grey goo and the least digestible element has the bitterest of aftertaste.
But also, I don't think there's many salad bowls involved in Indian street food.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Like, I've seen that video of that mosque where they turned a well because they're the one place in India that's mastered indoor plumbing, I suppose, into a giant vat where they just pour rice and slop and they tread it around with their feet in a big stick.
So, I think that's probably closer to Canada's culture at this point.
Also, I just, I mean, I resent it's factual, but I resent the fact that my country is used as the yardstick for third world shitholes.
I mean, I don't know if you guys have seen recently that literal river of trash that was next to a river in Oxfordshire.
We've got our own Ganges now.
We've imported so many of the subcontinent.
I know Ontario is looking kind of like Uttar Pradesh, but you know, we're looking kind of like Calcutta too at this point.
So, yeah, it's unsurprising.
If you import the third world, you get the third world.
It turns out countries are comprised not by magic dirt or abstract values or constitutions, but by the people that make them up.
And so, if you import, I don't know, a million of those people into a country the size of New York State, my country, within four years, you get India.
It turns out that if you import loads of Indians to Canada, Tim Hortons becomes basically a good warrant.
And one final observation: if I may, if more Indians was a solution to anyone's problems, including on H-1Bs, India itself would not have any problems.
So, why are they not so keen to keep all of this GDP rocket fuel to themselves?
You know, it's funny, you can almost like conceive of a melting pot working when you're talking about like you know, people coming over from maybe Germany, England, where have you into America?
You could conceive maybe of that now in retrospect working.
But to his point, you can't exactly conceive of the same, especially when like reality is just proving it when it's these cultures who are from the global south, because they literally like their version of a melting pot is when they're making street food and they want to add, say, like a bag of croutons or something to this salad and they throw it into the boiling water to dissolve the bag to add the ingredient to it faster rather than opening the bag and pouring it in.
These are actual videos that I have seen of these people like making you know street food and they'll just like dissolve the plastic in there, which obviously, you know, we don't like microplastics, but there are at least like three other independent problems with that practice.
But that's just like what they do, and they think it's smart, they think it's like faster.
They think you stupid Anglo for wasting time opening up a bag and putting it now.
You have a piece of trash, you can just get rid of it by just melting it in the mixture itself.
So, yeah, I uh I don't like this like PC tribalism that people do, very much operating within like a leftist permission uh permission structure where they'll like poke fun at Canada or poke fun at England and do this kind of thing.
And I get that, like there's always gonna be a little bit of fun there.
But when you're doing that, and then you know that you can't do the same to like Mexico or to India or to China, like cultures that are like fundamentally incompatible with ours.
Whereas, you know, I might have a problem with the English, I may have a problem with the French, but at the end of the day, like when you zoom out from the European continent and its outgrowths, the differences between those cultures and those histories start to look much smaller than the differences between us and where we're now getting like what 90% of our immigration.
Like, you know, the rape gangs are like, can we beat them maybe?
Can we beat them first and then focus on like our little silly EV project?
No, it's just like totally ridiculous.
And once you see it, it doesn't become fun anymore.
Because if this stuff were like solved, I would have a blast doing the like, girr, brother wars kind of thing.
But because as a civilization, we are just under attack by like the global south and the resentful and just like biomass, it's no longer like fun for me to poke fun at like other European societies, other members of the Anglosphere.
It is a distraction.
It's not funny.
And it's not because like, you know, a double standard where it's like, oh, we want to make jokes about other people, but we won't make jokes about like people, you know, with shared history.
It's not about that.
It's just like understanding that the vector of abuse that like we get is not out of a genuine, you know, search for the funniest joke or for humor, even for like, you know, acknowledging differences.
It's literally just to like justify ethnic resentment against us.
And we can never do it back because it would be mean.
It would be punching down.
And so my grand priority is not to like, you know, make the world so that I can make silly jokes again.
I just want to make it so that we're not like under attack.
But, you know, if like a sort of barometer for measuring that is that we are the ones who are always under attack in terms of like what you get to point out, stereotypes you get to make, and then you're not even allowed to acknowledge like basic truths about these other people who we are importing into our societies by the tens of millions.
The only good thing about us basically going to going to war with the subcontinent via X is that all of those microplastics that they are boiling in their street food probably explains the lack in grip strength where your average Indian man has lower testosterone than your average white woman.
So I think we're probably going to come up a crop problem that real.
You have to aspire to the irrational self-confidence of the Indian male.
They will literally just tweak stuff out.
I'm not going to try to do the accent because thank God I have not been exposed to it enough to know how to do it properly.
But they will literally just tweet and be like, you're jealous because all your women are like running off and dating like Brahmin males.
Because you can see that happening with black guys, like football players or something.
That does happen.
Not very often.
Certainly not as often as media would like to pretend it happens, but it does happen.
Whereas that never happens with like Indian guys, but they really believe it.
And apparently there are like sub-genres in Bollywood where there's like a whole trope of these like movies that they'll make where Indian guys go to work in like Silicon Valley in America and they become hyper successful, you know, startup founders or whatever, and they end up like marrying like some like dime like white woman, which is not exactly tapped into reality.
Did you see the one Indian guy on Twitter who was like post, he posted the screenshot of like his message request where it's like all those obvious bots and he's like, if that's the case, then why aren't all your women in my DMs?
The other thing that's interesting is you have to respect that, like, if you point out any undesirable behavior, which may be disproportionately present in like different, you know, ethnic groups or whatever, if that goes viral on Twitter, they will flood and they will respond in one of two ways.
You will have one group saying, yeah, that's like bad.
Okay, like we don't agree with that.
We hate that too.
And then you'll have the other group that's saying, like, this doesn't even happen that often.
Like, you guys are just blowing this up for attention, for clickbait.
Like, come on, this isn't that big of a deal.
But with Indians, when you say that, like, hey, you guys should maybe stop rolling around in like how feces, they just pull up to be like, you don't understand the benefits that this has, you stupid Anglo idiot.
Like, you're uncultured.
You're way like they not only acknowledge it, but they defend it and they say that, like, you're actually the problem.
Which, again, you must aspire to the confidence of the subcontinental male.
Like, if every white American male had that mindset of just like irrational self-belief, by the Super Bowl, we'd be able to watch it without guilt because all of our problems would be solved.
That guy on Instagram who does the British dining etiquette and he like grills you for not like eating peas properly.
He's like, we never scoop with the folk.
We turn and eat like so.
That guy should be like, not exactly dictator, but like the third or fourth in line.
Like that guy could just fix all of these problems and forcing these kinds of etiquettes upon people.
I remember when I was a kid, my mom would be like, you know, if I wanted like this Lego set, you know, that was very complicated, 14 plus, lots of pieces, very intricate, like architectural simulation, and I couldn't get it, I'd be sad.
And she'd be like, you know, there are kids in India and Africa right now who are happy with a tire.
Yeah, dude, that'd be, you know, maybe we can get like Daily Wire or something to fund that like comedy, that like coming of age teen comedy in like South Africa where you've got these kids and they're like, you know, hiding and they're trying to like run and grab a tire to play with from the stack that's going to be used to like necklace people to death.
And like Bourdain would go over there and be like, these, these, it'd be like Vivek.
He'd be like, these idiots in America, they're like building like the Millennium Falcon out of Legos when they could have been, they could have been burning people alive with a tire.
No, yeah, Toronto is really sad because so I experienced this when I went to Zimbabwe, you know, occupied Rhodesia.
And it's the same thing I saw in Toronto, which is the place is dripping in like Victorian architecture, very like distinctly Western.
Like it's a beautiful city, the bones of it.
Like when you're going to the University of Toronto, the campus is spectacular.
Again, just beautiful architecture.
There's statues and plaques everywhere with all these great men that came before us.
But the people that are like on top of that backdrop, it's just really horrible.
But the thing that made it eerie, that kind of separated it from Zimbabwe, because in Zimbabwe, like everything's falling apart.
So it's like you kind of accept it to a certain degree.
You're like, wow, that's sad, but that's in the past.
Like, what are you going to do?
Like, you know, maybe one day, who knows?
But you just kind of accept it.
Toronto, it's like things are still kind of functioning to some degree, which makes it even more disturbing because that's where it feels like it's an uncanny valley, where it's like, this is a third world civilization squatting on what should be Canadians.
I feel like some kind of animal that's been paralyzed and you can't move, but you can still look down and watch these things picket the bones of you.
And you're like powerless in some sense to do anything about it, but you're still experiencing it and watching it happen.
I mean, that's how I feel when I go to D.C., just like seeing, you know, these vague.
Well, not anymore.
Thank God, because of the Trump admin.
But, you know, you go to D.C. during a Biden admin and you just have to, like, walk around and watch these people pick at the bones of your civilization.
I was going to say, London's very much the same because it is like walking around the set of the Moz Isley Cantina, but the architecture is this grand civilization.
Just to illustrate, Westminster Abbey has been there for a thousand years.
And unfortunately, they've carved Martin Luther King into the front of it now, dear lord.
But they've just put metal detectors for knives in the front of it.
Now, I don't think there was a mass stabbing epidemic committed by housewives or Boy Scouts in the last, you know, thousand years.
So I wonder if the new arrivals that take umbrage to our architecture do that.
But then more broadly, I mean, if you walk around Westminster, there's these beautiful buildings that are, you know, you guys say Victorian, they're well, you know, pre-Victorian.
But in the street, there are these bright, pink, furry tuk-tuks, these literal like third world cycles where men from the Subcontinent and North Africa just sit around on their phones all day waiting for some hapless tourist to sit in the back, and then it blasts like Katie Perry or Barbie Girl as they're racing through traffic trying not to get killed.
There are, there are like fleets of deliveroo and uber-eat cyclists with banner clavas looking like jawas, like burning through traffic.
Uh man, it's just so unpleasant.
And then all of the shops because they've been shutting down ever since covered because we had crazy New York Style lockdowns nationwide I think they were the like sixth strictest in the world, right behind Cuba because they've all been dilapidated.
All of these money laundering fronts that are run by like dead-eyed Bengalis have opened up.
And you've got these really neon, like British kitsch tourist stores lining the street from Trafalga Square down to the houses of parliament and they are always empty of customers.
But you've just got 10 Indian men sort of sitting there on their phones blaring awful pop music with with like fake sweets every it like you are.
You are literally like a zombie ant fungus living inside my skull.
Yeah, like this is what people I think kind of miss is, um, with London with, with these deliveroo drivers uh, these people that are rocking up to to London like straight from the third world.
The analog in the United States would be like i'm like Zoran Memdani, because what people are missing is they're like, why won't these people assimilate?
I'm like they actually have assimilated to the preeminent slop culture that permeates our countries.
Like they're not assimilated to what we would consider, you know, actually American, actually English, but they have assimilated to the slop and the ex evidence for that is the way they dress, the way that they.
They have these horrid music tastes that is basically just your, your top hits.
Um, their diets consist of Nandos or, you know, Mcdonald's and whatnot.
So it's like they actually have assimilated, but to the slop culture and all that does.
When you bring in more and more of these migrants, is it further like cements the slop as the preeminent culture of your country and it's really really a depressing thing.
Apart from all the other problems with mass migration, that's a big one in my opinion is that it sort of, you know, permeates it.
They are not intelligent enough in many cases to be able to conceive of like a say, bullet point list of what our values would be.
And then they are not historically considerate enough to want to assimilate to a dominated, dominated culture, because I mean kind of used the word ethno-narcissism.
That's absolutely true.
There have been books written about that at length.
That is like an actual anthropological concept.
So they not only are unwilling to do that I mean they're demonstrably unwilling to do that but even like with things like um, you know Know, honor, a sense of like America, especially is very much sort of like, you know, I'm going to get mine.
I'm going to work hard.
It is considered bad and like, you know, undesirable to like ask for handouts, to accept handouts.
And in other cultures, they think that if you're not like doing everything you can to game the system, it's a sign of like unintelligence.
You're not clever enough.
And so these people will spend more than 40 hours a week just coming up with ways to like cheat and lie and game the system so that they can accept handouts from the American taxpayer.
And I always think back to this was maybe three, four Thanksgivings ago.
I don't want to say who, because I don't know if you would want me telling this story, but someone who's a friend of ours, who all of us know, a patriot in the space, his house burned down on Thanksgiving, like some fluke, his house literally burned down.
And he had all sorts of like family, friends, and neighbors who were like, oh my gosh, this is like absolutely awful.
Can you please like start, you know, a give, send, go, start like something.
We want to help you guys out.
Like this is a disaster.
And they didn't do it.
And they could have done it.
I mean, who would blame them for that, right?
It's like your house literally burned down on Thanksgiving.
It's cold out.
It's Christmas.
Like, you know, that time of year.
You need like some money to get you guys right.
But they didn't do that.
And the reason they didn't do that is because they understood that it is not good to accept handouts and to accept charity when you are able of getting back on your own feet.
It may surely make it easier.
And it's even acceptable in such outlandish, horrible circumstances like this.
But simply because they possess this sense of like honor and self-reliance, they politely decline that charity from their neighbors, who, of course, were well-meaning, well-intentioned.
But still, like, I will never forget that because that is like so fundamentally unique in the state of the world.
But that is something that you could see in this country and broadly throughout the Anglosphere and it not be thought of as like special.
Like we would hear that story and be like, oh, that's cool.
Like, yeah, of course, like, that's an honorable thing to do.
But you wouldn't hear that and think, what are they stupid?
What are they crazy?
Which is how other cultures who now come here are perceiving that kind of behavior.
They would burn down their own house or they would fake it and then DM you and being like, I am a father of five.
It is Christmas and my house is burned down.
Please give money.
Literally, that's what they do now, dude.
My DMs are blowing up with all these people.
Free Palestine, give me money.
My kids are being killed.
And I'm like, okay, first of all, I don't know if you know what you're DMing here, but I am a bio-shill.
So I'm not your guy.
I'm not going to be the one giving you money.
But yeah, man, it's just like totally just dishonorable.
I want to make a slightly more academic point on this because I keep harping on this because all the boomerangs in my country don't understand this.
They think that you can just take someone from Mogadishu, drop him in Manchester, have him recite a scout's pledge of British values, and he becomes as inextricable to our history as Henry VIII.
Part of the reason why we have such an independent culture and just our baseline suppositions of self-reliance is because we have one of the lowest rates of cousin marriage ever in the world.
And so do the Anglosphere diasporas, to whom that is second nature.
Because, I mean, the first Archbishop of Canterbury banned it on the instruction of the church.
They ratified the ban in the 13th century.
Even when Henry VIII repealed it to marry a second wife, it was only ever less than 1%.
And unlike India, we also don't have like child marriages that are rampant.
But in the third world, particularly the Islamic world and India broadly, the rates of cousin marriage are insane.
I'm just going to read some of the rates.
20 to 50% of all marriages in the Middle East, West Africa, North Africa, and the Indian subcontinent are cousin marriages.
80% of all marriages in history are cousin marriages, which is why the Anglosphere is such an exception.
And then rates in Syria and Iran is 30 to 40%.
Sudan and Afghanistan, 40 to 50%.
Qatar and Saudi Arabia, 50 to 60%.
Pakistan, 65.
Kuwait, 68.
And in other countries like Somalia, they are such a failed state, they don't keep records.
So that is what we're dealing with when we import these people.
They literally can't be individualistic because they live their entire lives surrounded by their cousins who they then marry and they only ever interact with their family members.
So why would you not just lie, cheat, and steal to advantage the only people you ever interact with?
I'm very unwilling to not be outspoken about positions that I know are like extremely tactically disadvantageous.
Like during the Epstein thing, when everyone was like super mad about the Epstein files, they still are, but you remember the peak of it over the summer.
I got mad about that because it's not like, you know, I'm dismissing the Epstein thing, but it really pissed me off to see all these like podcast bros who never had a word to say about immigration, which brings in these populations who marry their cousins, pimp out their daughters, pimp out their sisters.
They abuse their women.
They abuse their young girls.
They have very, very, very different attitudes about age of consent than we do in Europe and America.
I mean, like literally like child marriages, like you were saying.
So I hated like seeing all these people all of a sudden decide that they care about the abuse of children when like they didn't ever have anything to say about the rape gangs.
They didn't have anything to say about human trafficking in America that actually happens every day.
They only wanted to get involved when it was like this like, you know, mystical, opaque narrative about freaking elite bad guys, which is a perfectly acceptable position to take because nobody's going to argue with that.
Nobody's going to argue about what's the problem.
The elites are bad.
Donald Trump is bad.
It's the most popular idea in the world.
But if you actually took something that was more pragmatically geared towards helping children who are actually being exploited, then the solution there is like, okay, we need to like get these people the f ⁇ out of our countries.
But they don't want to say that because then they're going to step on toes.
Then their audience is going to be like, hey, man, that's like freaking mean.
I deserve to be here, man.
My freaking parents were, you know, came here and I was born on U.S. soil or something.
And so it's just like, you know, and this is going to sound very performative male, very white nighty.
So I don't mean it to say that at all.
But there is a certain standard of treatment that we have for women that these people simply do not have.
And what you see now because of guys like Andrew Tate is there's a big effort to describe this kind of like fundamentally like uncivilized behavior towards women as actually being like based.
So like when Muslims like marry children or beat the shit out of their wives, that's based.
They have their women in check.
And it's like, okay, yeah, like I would say that too if I were marrying like my 75 IQ cousin who's been through like three generations of inbreeding and is like basically just this like this like moon that follows me around who I use to like breed children.
But other than that is not like a fundamental person with agency.
Like, yeah, it's easy to get our women out of line because they're more intelligent.
Okay.
They get a little uppity sometimes.
We are working on it.
However, that does not mean that we're going to pursue these other kinds of behaviors, which are like fundamentally just like uncivilized, which we tried to save them from and they are still mad at us for.
And it's kind of back to your earlier point about, you know, suspending the brother wars until we like get this situation resolved because these guys, they'll be the first people to like dunk on the state of Alabama and be like, oh, they're all marrying their cousins.
They're a bunch of idiots.
And then they actually, you look up the actual rate and it's like a fraction of like 1% versus Pakistan where it's like what, 30, 40, 50, 60?
Like sky high rates.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
I'm so sick of the, yeah, the PC, like, okay, we can dunk on our own people, but we can't address the obvious problems with importing people from these countries, which is like odds are they're going to be literally inbred.
It'd be one thing, too, if it's like, okay, you know, you're saying this about us, but why can't I say this about you?
Like, I get that, but what you're saying about us isn't even true.
And it is true for you.
Like, when they talk about like the cousin thing, you just look up statistics.
Even in America, okay, no white people are actually like doing that with their cousins.
If they are, like, obviously that's wrong.
But if you just go on like Twitter next week and go on like black Twitter, there will be like viral tweets with like 300,000 likes just like, y'all excited to see that one cousin or what?
Like they like talking about that.
I know y'all had that one experience with that one cousin like in the closet.
It got sort of laundered into the right-wing sphere through the Andrew Tate, but also from the Vivek side, because this happened.
Obviously, everyone, this is disgusted and nauseum, but the Christmas crash out last Christmas from Vivek where he was like, oh, you know, it's really unproductive that Americans like have sleepovers and like have football practice when they could be like doing homework all day.
So from one end of the spectrum, they're like doing the whole Andrew Tate, like 75 IQ.
But then the other end, there's like this striver mentality that is among other immigrants, particularly like Chinese and Indian, that's equally as like unpalatable and unfamiliar to Americans, where like they can't actually instinctually understand a lot of these things.
Like I didn't really study much and I got pretty decent grades just because like I kind of just instinctually understood a lot of these things where they had to like study non-stop to get a grasp on on like basic, you know, basic subjects.
Like math, I guess I get like I didn't do well in math, but I just never studied.
But like a lot of it just made sense.
Like you could kind of just figure these things out.
But it's this like striver mentality, like the ladder climbing.
It's just so un-American and I hate it, but it's being laundered into the right.
Yeah, which by the way is not to say that like Americans are not aspirational.
We're not hardworking.
It is a very particular kind of behavior, which I still am struggling to kind of come up with an articulation, which I think like describes it like adequately.
But it's a certain kind of behavior that you do see from, yeah, like Indians and Chinese where they are very focused on not actually like working harder and climbing the ladder, but basically just like snaking their way up in any way possible.
You know, they, they will, it's the LinkedIn stuff.
It's the forging test scores, transcripts, like cheating their way in to, you know, a level of success or to upper classes because they want to reap the rewards of that.
And, you know, it's the flexing, it's the clothing.
Like there was that tweet from this one guy a few months ago where he posted a photo of himself and his wife in the back seat of like, you know, a limo or something.
And he was wearing a tuxedo and she was wearing a dress.
And he, you know, said, make America dress well again.
And then he listed like the clothes that he was wearing.
I think it was like an Armani suit and he listed literally all of the garments he was wearing along with I think even their prices, but at least the brand names, which we would all recognize as like, wow, it's probably some pretty expensive clothing.
But the thing about that was that his suit was ill-fitting.
The collar was too big and so it was exposing his deck.
And you could tell that the jacket was not meeting the shirt pro.
So it's like you go there and you recognize the brand because that is like, oh, in America, when you have money, this is what you get.
And then he's going, but he's not actually like getting, you know, a well-fitting suit.
He's just maybe buying it off the rack.
They don't have taste.
You can't buy taste.
And I guess that's common wisdom, but they still are just like getting these brand names and thinking that that assimilates them into the American upper classes when in fact it does not.
They're not on, you know, what is it, Saville Row in England getting like proper classic dresswear.
I mean, they're just like getting like these brand names.
And as a result, dude, so many brands now, not that I give a shit about brands.
I like craftsmanship sometimes that overlaps with like good brands, but there are so many good brands which now I would never consider buying simply because they've allowed the value to be diluted because you look at who's now like wearing those and it's like, I don't want anything associated with that.
Frankly, like Rolex watches, like, you go buy a Rolex watch, you go into the dealer or the boutique or whatever.
They won't sell you a watch, even if you have cash.
You have to be on a list, develop a relationship.
And they do all of that because they want to preserve the value of their brand.
They don't want people flipping it.
They don't want bums wearing it.
Cool.
But now, what has that brand become because of rappers and podcast bros?
Like you, you know, are now just a part of that community.
And so I've got, like, I have one Rolex watch that I bought.
And now the attention I get if I wear that watch is not so much from gentlemen, it's from like Hispanic teenagers at the UPS store where they're just like, yo, is that like it?
And I'm like, like, yeah, I guess.
And so now, if I'm like looking to get a nice watch, I'm all for Omegas, dude.
Like, you go, that's a classic gentleman's watch.
It is a watch that keeps time arguably better than like Rolexes, and nobody knows about it except for guys who would actually have an interest in like things that are well-made.
And so a guy like that will spot that watch and be like, oh, is that a speedmaster?
And you can have a conversation about it.
And that is a brand that is not going through nearly the level of gatekeeping.
You can buy an Omega online.
They will ship it to you.
And then two weeks later, you'll get an email from an actual human being asking you about the particularities of your purchase, asking if you want to call and discuss more, like actual customer service, things like that.
So the point of all of this to say that they are not only taking our birthright in the sense of like, you know, polluting our public spaces, our shopping malls, our cities, but even the things that like Americans used to be able to strive towards for like, you know what, one day I'm going to make it.
I'm going to make it on my own and I'm going to buy myself a nice car or a nice watch.
Okay, you go buy a Rolex and now who's going to talk to you about it?
You go buy a BMW, you're going to have a bunch of like Asian teenagers taking pictures with it.
It's why the red pills are looking awful brown these days.
And it's because I think they come from such status-seeking cultures that they use commercially available signifiers of wealth and upward mobility.
And then they wear them like a skin suit.
It's why, you know, Andrew Tate kind of lops as a 21st century Gingus Khan by having a bunch of bimbos around him and a fleet of Bugattis, like they're his war horses, in the same way as this guy wears an ill-fitting Armani suit or, you know, wrappers or ridiculous lavish chains.
And all of these things that used to be status symbols in our civilization because they were harder to procure have now become available en masse for the third world and their upper echelons.
And they're also more likely to show it off in photos.
And this rollout of the camera phone and the internet across particularly the Indian subcontinent, I don't know if you guys have been plugged into this discourse.
Are you aware of how many selfie deaths India has every year?
Because guys are obsessed with taking dangerous selfies.
There is so much footage of Indians just being hit by trains because they stand on the tracks trying to take the puff selfie.
The New York Times had an article of a guy who went to India during this festival and watched people being mushed up by the wheels because it was like the one time where the lower caste saw this idol of their gods.
And so they were like, well, I'll take another go on the reincarnation merry-go-round and throw myself beneath the wheels of a god today.
And I linked that to my Camp of the Saints review because they do the exact same thing.
This is why they like stampede everywhere.
But there is this very transient approach to the value of life and it's only worth living relative to the status that you can seek.
And if that's found in, you know, Armani suits or tacky wristwatches or hiring out a Maserati for the afternoon to take 10 photos to post to your Instagram, like you're a girly discovering herself in Bali.
And even the companies have responded by changing the designs to make them look like gaudier, which is very off-putting to like the people who originally were supposed to be like buying those nicer things.
Which that was like, I mean, you know, the wisdom I'm aware of is like, if you're a man in America, when you like have like a life milestone, you would you would splurge and buy yourself something nice that you had no business owning, like a watch that costs like, you know, the same as like your car payment or something.
But now it's like even to get that kind of watch, I mean, you'd have to go vintage because now the designs are just so loud and gaudy, exactly to accommodate the emergence of those foreign markets.
Guys that want that, you know, they think that they can go out and just like have this on and then like women will see it and immediately just be like flocking towards him like they're like, you know, ducks at the park and you have like bread or something in your hands.
And it's just like, it's ruined it.
It's just made all of these like different things just very unappealing to people who maybe would have some taste and have some money to spend.
Like the palettes of all these new scents coming out is like very sharp, very sterile.
There's no like warm notes.
There's no like natural notes.
You have to get like you have to get really precise with what you're looking for to find any sort of clone that smells Western.
They all just kind of smell like the shopping mall very like in a very generic way.
And it's terrible there because they're having to appeal to people within the United States now.
Like this isn't them like, you know, ruining the brand to appeal to an international market.
This is like within the domestic market now and it's completely ruined because of these like overweight guys, Mexican guys at the mall at the Real Madrid jersey, and they want to like coat themselves in Tom Vord.
And it's horrible.
It's horrid.
It's horrid.
Everything is ruined.
Like they ruined the spelling bee.
The spelling bee is terrible now.
Like you can't even watch the spelling.
Now the little league is like where the action is.
The little league feels like the last youth institution that's still preserved for American patriots only.
Like I'm locked in when it comes to the little league because I'm like, this is where we're scouting like who's going to be the future president.
Because you can't depend on a lot of these other guys.
Well, dude, that's why they're even trying to third-worldify trad aesthetics.
I mean, they're not trying.
They've already kind of done this in many ways.
Where it's like the actual way to conduct yourself as a patriot, A, you shouldn't be signifying anything with the way you conduct yourself.
You should just conduct yourself naturally.
That's what's so frustrating with the trad aesthetic.
But I get like on my feed a lot of people in like in China and India and Pakistan.
And they're actually like dressing in the like the stereotypical like trad aesthetic clothing that people over here wore like five years ago, which is absolutely hilarious.
When in reality, in the United States, the most trad people are probably wearing like, you know, like a Nike shirt and like jeans and whatnot.
The people that conduct themselves in the most trad way are going to a big box evangelical mega church and, yeah, probably drive like a Toyota.
Like, that's just the reality of the situation.
So people trying to signify something.
But yeah, I see it all the time, like in India.
And like these girls, and they're trying to like conduct themselves like a trad calf influencer from like 2018.
Yeah, they're like trying to participate in something which not only was never meant to include them because it was ours, but also that is no longer a thing, which can be because of our sort of, you know, maybe degeneration as a society.
But also, I think in response to like we've been saying, integration of these other cultures trying to participate in that has dissuaded the, you know, same participation manifestations from like normal like white American patriots.
Like you're talking about with cars.
All the wealthiest, like normal white families I know are driving Broncos and like Jeep SUVs, these kind of like sportier kind of cars.
They're not driving.
And then sometimes you'll get like the soccer moms with like a Range Rover or like a Porsche or something like that.
But they're not driving like the luxury sedans anymore or anything like that.
Everyone I see in those cars are like these strivers who are trying to participate in the upper class, which was cultivated by and for those like normal Americans.
And so it's interesting to see like, yeah, how these things kind of change.
Or like you're saying, when you've got these women like dressing like, you know, little Norman Rockwell trad wives or something, but they're like over, you know, in Mumbai or something or Mumbai.
There's this, there's a similar thing that goes on in Japan where they purposefully wear like Victorian clothing and they can kind of rock it because they're sort of, it's endearing.
It's like watching them become West of the Jacent is cute.
But the most disorienting experience I think I've ever had was I did the Oxford Union debates a couple of weeks ago and the entire thing is run by Indians and Pakistanis.
And so they're wearing like white coat and tails and they're sitting in these hallowed halls and these like really ornate wooden carved thrones and there's this beautiful architecture all around them.
But they were very nice to me.
But it just did actually feel like a scene from Camp of the Saints.
Like, you know, where they don't know the value of your oak door, etc.
And it just, it's like this, there's this new Ralph Lauren advert that I keep seeing any time I've watched someone's YouTube video without ad block on, where they're in the middle of a field in America, and there's just Africans and Malaysians and wearing 1920s polo riding crop gear.
And it's just strange.
It's the bridgetonification of everything where they're just like dropping random sub-Saharans in period dramas.
It just doesn't fit.
I can suspend my disbelief to believe that dragons are destroying Middle Earth.
But I'm sorry.
My uncanny valley part of my brain is detecting something is anachronistic here.
It depends on if I can get myself into a room with Emma Watson in the next 18 months.
If I can, then I'm going to say that the UK is fine.
Everything's going to be fine.
We will throw our entire weight as the empire to protecting our brothers over there.
If I can't do that, however, I would say we have to go total isolationist.
They made their bed.
They can sleep in it.
So I can't really speak to that quite yet, but it is exactly that binary.
And we'll just have to see how it plays out.
No, I mean, I don't know, man.
I can't really speak to that very well.
I don't know a whole lot about the domestic situation.
I do, however, think it's very promising that we're seeing that kind of messaging, which is like literally perfect messaging, because it's acknowledging the existential, literally existential threat that we are all facing, which is why, as we've been saying for the last hour, we have to, you know, temporarily suspend our little brother wars and focus on, you know, the bigger thing that we all have in common, which is fighting the just complete just overtaking and ruination of our civilization, which is because of our identity, because of immigration, mass migration.
And that is the, I guess, impetus behind the entire Trump political project.
And, you know, we've got Vance, obviously, with perfect messaging.
And so anything that we do that further normalizes that and increases its proliferation, not only in America, but everywhere else in the world, that is like very good.
There's no reason to be upset about that.
There's strong cause for optimism because of that.
And insofar as other countries and other leaders and other right-wing parties can like, you know, read that writing on the wall and move the ball down their field.
Football here, soccer ball there, football there, you know, whatever you want to call it.
It's like on old CDs or something, you have to continue listening because there will oftentimes be a hidden track at the end of the record or something, right?
Where if you listen to three or four minutes of just like silence, all of a sudden you get to hear some hidden track that the artist included for you.
