Zohran Wins BIG With Anti-White Rhetoric, NYC Is COOKED ft. Scott Greer
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It is like 15 years ago, it might have been 16 years ago, there was this huge protest over there being a mosque near the 9-11 ground zero in New York City.
And that was like New Yorkers.
That wasn't just, you know, the humble heartlanders who don't live in New York who are upset about it.
There was an intense protest within New York over a mosque being that close.
And this is around 2010.
You know, this is the early Obama years where there was that protest.
So you still saw that in New York in the early 2010s.
We had to wrangle you because I had read your piece where you were sort of breaking down Zoron's victory, what this means for the left.
I know recently you had said that you were kind of, as the left sort of has to look inward and determine, okay, how do we sort of rebrand for the next chapter, that they would kind of take on a bit of chauvinism.
Maybe that would be kind of the technique.
While Zoron, yeah, like you said, okay, maybe he incorporated a little bit of that.
He's very much more Reddit.
He's very much more theater kid.
And in that article, you also pointed out that it's not entirely accurate to call him a third worldist.
Now, that's a line that me and a few others in the space have been taking, but maybe you can define kind of that chauvinism aspect and then maybe why the third worldist isn't the most accurate sort of title for him or adjective for him.
Yeah, a few years ago, I read an article saying that the left may embrace what we could call American chauvism.
And that's named after Hugo Chavez, the left-wing dictator of Venezuela who was succeeded by Maduro, which now Trump is not very happy with Maduro.
And they had a very left-wing socialist regime that was very hostile towards the West, very hostile towards capitalism, obviously, and wanting and had a certain bravoro and a very machismo aspect to it.
Now, this isn't really the case with Zoron.
Like Maduro and Chavez are kind of like swaggering alpha males.
They're like, we're going to take away your stuff.
Meanwhile, I would never use the term swaggering for Zoron, you know, maybe prancing around or something, but it's definitely not swaggering.
And I offer this idea is that what we would see in American Chauvism is a combination of anti-white sentiment with economic socialism, as that these people would be denouncing the white man and saying, we need to take all their stuff.
We need this massive wealth redistribution from whites to the other people in order to have the socialist utopia or whatever.
And I predicted this would happen.
Now, you sort of have that with Zoron.
Zoron and his campaign ran woke or it had a woke agenda, even though if he didn't highlight it as much.
In fact, if you compare him to say the 2020 Democratic presidential primary, you know, he was almost anti-woke compared to them, but his agenda was still very woke because he's talking about taxing whites at a higher rate than other people.
He's talking about ending gifted programs because they don't have a sufficient level of racial diversity.
And even a lot of the other things he's talking about has that similar woke focus.
So he still had that anti-white sentiment, even if he's not driving at that.
And we even saw that in his victory speech where he highlighted like every single immigrant group that backed him and said, this is your country too.
You know, I didn't mention white New Yorkers in that coalition, curiously enough, even though, of course, a lot of these wealthy or not very much wealthy, but middle class young people who voted for him, which I use the term yuckies, young urban creative.
It's better to call them that than yuppies.
Different, different demographic, different type of people.
So that's still there and it's obviously very economically socialist.
So you do see those elements, but it's not quite as militant as I may have imagined with American chauism a few years ago.
I was thinking more type Black Panthers or the Latin American militants we always see south of the border.
Now, on the third worldist element, I think it depends on how you define it.
And the article I was responding to with, I'm probably going to mispronounce her name, but Zaneb Rebua.
My apologies.
She's sort of floating around here if I mispronounced the name.
But she argued that third worldism is inherently about destroying Western hegemony and she ties it firmly with anti-Zionism and that that's a core part of it.
And she argues that, you know, Jews and Israelis are really the hostility.
That's what animates it at heart, which, you know, there's sort of some elements of that, but Zorab or Zoron wants to overturn, doesn't really want to overturn Western hegemony.
He wants to take it over for his side and then make it more cringe.
Third worldists the past wanted to destroy America and Europe and then have and then delegate power elsewhere.
That's why they worship China, Mao, Vietnam, Cuba.
They were admiring all these states.
The new woke people aren't as enthralled to these third world regimes as they once were.
And they still want power to reside within the American empire.
They just want it to be much woker and much more cringe.
It's why they still strongly back Ukraine against Russia.
It's why they even a lot of times they'll come out and still deeply care about supporting Taiwan against China and many other things.
They're not quite, they don't have the similar geopolitical focus as the third worldists of old or how you are how people imagine third worldism.
I don't think I think it's fine to use as an epithet against Zoran.
There are third worldist aspects of him, such as him eating rice with his hand, but he is at the end of the day still woke and woke.
There's similarities between woke and third worldism, but woke still wants to uphold Western hegemony.
It just wants to make it much worse and much more cringe, but it still imagines the American-led global order orders still intact.
Yeah, well, Zoran seems like kind of an interesting synthesis because I agree with you.
like, okay, he's clearly not, you know, your classical, you know, well-read third worldist who's like, oh, we need to get revenge on these colonists and whatever.
I mean, he flipped off the Columbus statue.
That's really the extent of it.
To me, he kind of represents the synthesis between woke and kind of this third world mindset, because to me, it seems, it looks a little bit more like potentially South Africa, where it's like, okay, yes, maybe the South Africans, they were cozy with the Cubans or the Soviets, that sort of thing.
But when they took over power, they kept the free market to a large degree.
They just passed anti-white policy.
So maybe third worldist isn't the best description.
But I guess what I'm getting at is it drives me crazy when people, when they're describing what could, like, what could be the outcome of a Zora on New York City, they start saying like Sharia law and like social, like actual socialism.
And I'm just like, that's not really what I'm worried about.
I'm just worried about the fact that he openly admits that he wants to tax white neighborhoods at a higher rate.
Like he's partying at gay clubs at like two in the morning.
And there's people falling for it to this morning.
One of these content farmers, I won't name him, I guess.
They might be watching the show, but he had this, he took this parody video.
It's some woman, she might even be Muslim, but she's clearly secular.
She's not wearing the hijab or anything.
And she's like, all right, we're already going to start the Islamist, the Islamification in New York.
We're lining up everyone at the mosque.
And it's clearly like her.
It's a bad satire and it's parodying all these views.
And then this guy took it.
It's like, they're no longer hiding anymore.
The mask is dropping.
They're going to try to convert everyone to Islam in New York City, which is like, if you look at his whole campaign, this is like the, you know, lamest thing ever.
The complete opposite of like a devout Muslim.
I mean, he did go and try to appeal to devout Muslims, but it's just part of this rainbow coalition he's formed.
And, but they're not going to be, you know, implementing Sharia law.
I don't think that, I think that would have some negative effects on the gay clubs he was campaigning at.
And a lot of his audience would not be supportive of that.
But I mean, it's still, you know, it's one of those things that in middle America, you know, that's still, there's still a lot of understandable anti-Islamic sentiment.
And that's an easy way to, and I'm not using this pejorative because I think there is a need to present Zoran as a threat and to fearmonger about him.
Now, I think that's good that we want to portray him as a threat, but it comes across as very stupid.
And if you look at some of the campaigning, this probably did help mom Donnie at the end of the day, you know, with like Andy Okles, you know, a Tennessee congressman showing off his like, have you forgotten New York?
And it's about like 9-11.
And it's like, we're going to have this again.
You know, Zoran's going to fly the plane straight into the Empire State building this time.
I don't think he's going to be a suicide bomber, but it's just a way to present the threat.
And I guess that's more threatening than, you know, rent control that destroys the city.
I mean, it'd be like, you know, it's the same, by the same logic, be like worried about Joe Biden establishing like a Catholic integralist, you know, like it's just like, that's not really, once you kind of adopt leftism, you leave a lot of the devout religiousness at the door.
But yeah, I kind of get it, though, because I mean, I think one line that did seem to resonate, at least with a lot of people, is maybe not that Zoron would sort of perpetrate another 9-11 himself, but that it is shocking that a city that literally in my lifetime, I'm 24, in my lifetime witnessed, you know, Islamic terror attack knocking down, you know, these two massive skyscrapers 20 years, 20 something odd years later, they can elect a Muslim.
I think that's actually a very salient point is saying like, okay, maybe not what changed liberals' minds.
It's like, look how, look how fast it took to replace New Yorkers.
Because all those New Yorkers that remembered that, they voted for Cuomo.
They showed the exit polling.
Native New Yorkers voted for Cuomo.
And a lot of them voted for Sliwa as well.
It was non-native New Yorkers, and that includes transplants, but immigrants primarily voted for Zora Mamdani.
So it's like, it's not that New Yorkers forgot about 9-11.
It's just that the ones that do remember it live in Florida now or North Carolina.
And, you know, it's just the changing attitude towards Islam in the country, you know.
It was like 15 years ago, it might have been 16 years ago, there was this huge protest over there being a mosque near the 9-11 ground zero in New York City.
And that was like New Yorkers.
That wasn't just, you know, the humble heartlanders who don't live in New York who are upset about it.
There was an intense protest within New York over a mosque being that close.
And this is around 2010.
You know, this is the early Obama years where there was that protest.
So you still saw that in New York in the early 2010s, but it's gone away.
And I think you would have seen even there a lot of concern over electing a Muslim, you know, in the late 2010s when ISIS was still fresh in people's minds.
But right now, people have forgotten radical Islam.
We haven't really had a major Islamic terror attack in the United States in a while.
Even the Palestinian issue, it feels separated from radical Islam, even if Hamas is a very Islamist organization, clearly.
But there, it's separated from that issue.
So we don't feel the threat of radical Islam, especially when we're presented these people like Ilhan Omar, even though she wears a hijab, you know, she divorced her husband and married a Jewish man for her second husband.
And she broke up that marriage, if I'm not mistaken.
So that's not like very much Sharia behavior.
I don't think that'd be allowed under Sharia law.
Then you have Mom Donnie, who's this theater kid, and on and on.
You know, it's now that they've, all these Muslims come here and they become assimilated liptards rather than jihadists, which that's not, you know, maybe that's a slight improvement.
So it's all, it actually is worse because now they're able to join into this rainbow coalition and push against traditional America and push for these radical policies that run against America's interests.
So I, but it's harder to create a threat around the theater kid versus, you know, Osama bin Laden.
And that's really what creates fear.
And so, and even on the world stage, we don't really remember ISIS that much.
You know, ISIS seems pretty defeated.
Al-Qaeda is not really doing much of anything.
I mean, Europe still struggles a lot with radical Islam.
Like there's this week they've broken up like multiple potential terror attacks on Christmas markets and other things.
Like there's even in Germany that there's some, you know, Christmas markets they can't run because they can't afford the security costs.
So they still have a major Islamic terror problem in Europe, but Americans aren't as aware of that.
And it doesn't seem to affect us.
So we don't have as much of an intense hostility towards Islam that we would have had even in the first Trump term.
You know, you got to remember the Muslim ban that Trump opposed in the primary helped him win the primary.
Now it's, you know, he was still running on that, but people didn't really even pay attention because it's just not as much of a salient issue as it once was.
But I mean, it's funny with even with like conservatives, like a year ago, you know, Trump was campaigning towards the Muslims and highlighting, you know, the not only just Biden's Israel policy, but also wokeness in schools.
And you saw this in like Dearborn and other places where all these people in full Muslim gear are out there protesting trans stuff in their kids' school.
And then conservatives were like, base Muslims.
And you're like, well, I don't know about that.
But then conservatives had the sympathy for them when they're opposing wokeness in schools.
And that's also an issue that doesn't seem to be as fresh in people's minds right now.
So some people will remember that there's bad Muslims and Mom Donnie reminds some, at least conservatives, about that.
Well, there was this theorizing on the right in conservative circles.
It kind of stopped a few years ago, but they would always see moments like that where Muslims would be protesting some sort of woke book or something.
And they would be like, see, the intersectional coalition is breaking down.
But Zoran seemed to just completely shatter that because his coalition was literally like everyone that's basically just not like a normal American patriot.
And he stitched it together pretty seamlessly.
And so maybe you can outline that, why that's probably not entirely accurate to say like the intersectional coalition is like on the verge of collapse.
Well, it's not really, yeah, it's definitely not on the verge of the collapse.
I mean, a lot of minorities did vote for Trump for various reasons.
I mean, a lot of these Muslims voted for him because they were sick of like libs poaching crazy stuff in schools or they were upset about Israel, Biden's Israel policy and it was a way to protest Biden by voting for Trump.
You know, there was that.
And then a bunch of it and nearly, you know, 46% of Hispanics voted for Trump.
And then I think it was around 40% of Asians.
But that's not set in stone that they're all going to stay there.
And right now with Mom Donnie, you know, a lot of those immigrants shifted.
And in 2020, and not the 2020, 2025 elections, you know, what just happened on Tuesday, the immigrants, they were noticing that the immigrants are shifting back to the Democrats.
Without Trump at the helm, it's not guaranteed that these immigrants are going to stay there.
And a lot of these immigrants obviously aren't very happy with Trump's deportation policy.
So they're shifting back.
And Mom Donnie's coalition was a combination of these, I don't know if the, we'll just say downwardly mobile or, you know, economically threatened middle class young white people or young people, college educated.
I think that's college educated yuckies along with immigrants.
That was his core base.
Working class whites and blacks did not vote for him.
Now, it's not that the blacks are going Republican, is that blacks generally stick with the establishment candidate?
That's usually the case.
I mean, they did that in the 2020 primaries where hardly any of them voted for Bernie.
They all went for Biden.
They generally don't go with the insurgent candidate.
They generally stick with the establishment Democrat.
That's why they stuck with Cuomo and probably would have voted for Eric Adams if he stayed in.
And then it was like the working class whites and probably the more affluent middle class whites, the yuppies who really fear getting their, you know, their taxes going up and, you know, the crazy stuff that's going to happen to the city.
But the more economic are the middle class people who feel more economically precarious and the young, college-educated people without kids and stuff, they were more likely to vote for Mom Donnie.
So it was that combination of yuckies and immigrants that proved the winning formula for Mom Donnie.
And I think that's what we're really going to see for a lot of these far left candidates is a combination of college educated Americans who feel that they're not having the same economic prospects as their parents.
And then they're won over to a left-wing populist message along with immigrants who, you know, they didn't, they turned against Democrats when they felt that they were pushing a bunch of crazy stuff in their school, in their kids' schools, and they were letting criminals run rampant.
Now they may shift back to the left if they are told that, you know, Mom Donnie's campaign is like, oh, I don't want to defund police anymore.
And maybe they were one over that.
And he didn't really highlight, you know, how they're going to push like gender indoctrination in schools.
He just simply is like, we're ending gifted programs so your kids can go to better schools or whatever.
He was saying, look, as I've, he keeps re-emphasizing this, and it's true.
And a lot of Republicans don't quite understand this yet, is like populism is a viable tool to turn out low propensity voters, whether you like it or not.
And Zoron was tapping into that.
He tapped into low propensity voters, and that's just the secret sauce.
So my question is, what aspects of this Zoron thing are viable, maybe not nationwide, but in other cities?
How much of it do you think is more exclusive to New York City?
As in, why should people be concerned about a Zoron?
Because a lot of people are just saying, oh, it's New York.
You know, let them, you know, screw themselves over.
What specifically about Zoron is it that makes him a little bit of a evolution and I guess woke as him to be?
I mean, New York is not that far left of a city compared to others.
This is not Seattle or Portland, you know, and they generally tend to vote, go with a cent, I don't want to use the term centrist, but an immoderate seeming Democrat.
Bill de Blasio is an exception, but I mean, they went with Bloomberg multiple terms, Giuliani, and then they had Eric Adams is presented as a moderate candidate.
So they generally go for the moderate.
This isn't, you know, like basing your assumptions on, or even some place like Minneapolis where they're generally far left.
This is like a major American city that has a lot of normal people.
If they went with this crazy guy, that's a concerning factor.
And I think the economic populism of a left-wing variety is something that Democrats can sell nationwide.
Yeah, I think for closing thoughts, to go on that point with Mamdani is not a flash in the plan.
This can be a formula for other candidates to run on.
And somebody is going to run on this in 2028, whether it's AOC or Rokana or somebody else we don't know.
And they're going to be a competitive candidate.
I don't know if that person will win, but they have the potential to win, as Mom Donnie shows.
If he can win in New York City on this platform, somebody like that can win a Democratic primary.
Now, can they win a general election?
That's another matter.
So it's a major concern and you can't just dismiss it as New York City.
New York City is our biggest city.
It's the beating heart of our economy and our financial sector.
And if it goes to Mom Donnyism, that impacts the rest of the country.
You know, just dismissing it as like, oh, it's New York City.
No, that's not the case.
And this can apply nationwide.
So that's my closing thoughts on the topic.
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