DOJ May Drop NEW EPSTEIN FILES Despite Leaked Memo Sparking WILD Deep State CIVIL WAR Theories ft. Lara Logan
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From the post-millennial, DOJ reports to court that it's still reviewing Epstein records for possible release.
Judicial Watch reveals, despite the fact that Donald Trump said, why are you still talking about this?
Despite the fact the DOJ put out an unsigned, undated memo claiming there is no Epstein client list.
Apparently there are still some records that may come out.
They say the DOJ is still reviewing the Epstein-related records for possible release.
The announcement comes just after a leaked internal memo from the DOJ and the FBI where they said there will be no further public disclosures.
Something is going on.
If this is true, and Judicial Watch, I trust, something is going on.
My friends, there is, okay, again, if this is true, there is an effort still to release information, but an unsigned memo gets released saying they won't.
It feels as though there are different factions within the DOJ and government that are conflicted right now.
Could it be that Trump and his people, Pam and Cash and Dan, are actively trying to get these documents released, but are still at war with a deep state that has some kind of control?
Could it be as simple as Trump's compromised?
The threat upon his life and his family has whipped him into shape, as with Dan Bongino and Cash.
Were they bribed?
I doubt it.
These guys are already well off.
So what is really going on?
Honestly, I'm not entirely sure.
But we are going to bring in famed journalist Laura Logan right now to talk to us about the issue.
So let's boot up the interview room, as I often do.
I mean, so while I understand its frustration because this is the consistent problem that he's had to deal with the media where they never want to cover what he's doing.
They always want to have about something.
In the past, it was Russian collusion, Ukraine impeachment, which were all made up stories.
Those were just, you know, information warfare operations designed to disturb, disrupt, and destroy his administration.
So that sort of frustration is kind of understandable coming from the president, but at the same time, this story is different.
You know, the Epsom story is not going away.
You don't have a guy who has a whole island, traffics all these girls, basically, and traffic is a nice word for rapes, right?
As an organized system where girls are consistently raped and abused and expect that this is just going to go away.
It's not.
And the Department of Justice hasn't done very well on this.
I'm curious, what is causing it that Dan Bongino and Cash Patel are do these interviews where Pam Bondi comes out and it seems like what they're saying just isn't true.
It's also, they're not even presenting it in a way that seems authentic.
Yeah, when you listen to Pam Bondi, she's really not convincing on this.
I don't know.
I mean, the truth is we don't know, right?
I mean, if anyone is honest, we really have no idea what's going on.
All we do know is that it doesn't make sense.
Something doesn't add up yet.
And this is the part that's kind of tough for me.
I know Cash Patel to be a good person and one with moral courage who cares about this kind of issue.
So it doesn't make sense that Cash Patel would just flip-flop on this.
I know Dan Bongino personally, and he's not a guy without, who lacks moral courage either.
And he was very outspoken on this from the beginning.
So, you know, it's odd that they would take such a dramatically different position from everything they said before.
And you got to wonder, okay, what is the information that you have?
And it seems to me that the only way to resolve this is to let the public have the information they're looking at.
Where the people are tired of being told, you know, the file is on my desk or we've given the information to Congress or if you could see what I can see, you would know that Epstein killed himself.
That's just not going to cut it.
And I do always try to think to myself, okay, what is the play here?
Is there something else at work?
Is there, you know, are there other moves being made that we're not aware of?
What else is happening at the same time?
So one of the key things is that we have a conspiracy investigation into John French, right?
And they put it there investigating him lying to Congress.
But what is he lying to Congress about?
I mean, he's lying about his role in a seditious conspiracy to overthrow a legally elected president of the United States, to subvert the will of the people, to be part of what would be the largest coup in the history of this country.
I mean, that is a massive investigation.
And that's really the most important thing that's happening right now.
Not to say that Epstein is not important, not to say That the victims do not matter because they absolutely do matter.
And not only that, what does Epstein really represent?
Something much bigger, right?
Because you're talking about a system of extortion and corruption that drives policy and governments and decisions all across the world.
So, you know, when Trump was, you know, exasperated, saying you're still talking about this, part of me says it is kind of brutal if you've got, you know, 100 plus deaths in this mass flooding.
There's flooding now in Georgia and North Carolina and New Mexico.
We even here in Wayne.
We had a flood watch last night here in West Virginia, which is shocking because we're kind of elevated.
And then it's like, here we go.
Let's talk about something else.
So I can imagine Trump being upset, but I don't think they're handling it well.
And so I can't imagine all of them as being incompetent enough to not understand the way they've presented this casts doubt on their credibility.
And that is very interesting to me because, you know, one of the big things that I do in my work is I try to look at motivation.
What is motivating this position or this statement or this action?
Because motivation is a key indicator for whether or not you trust someone, right?
Like I was going to sort of, you know, I was going to embed Taliban or other or interview a suicide bomber recruiter, child recruiter.
When I looked at these people, I had to make decisions about whether or not I survived that encounter.
So what was the motivation?
Why would the chief in charge of recruiting child suicide bombers for a terrorist organization want to sit down with me?
Does he gain more from the interview or does he gain more from blowing us all up a suitcase bomb, right, or whatever?
So motivation has always been a really important indicator for me, both in life and death and in the truth and lying.
And so when I have the motivation, what is motivating these statements by Dan Bartino and Cash Patel and Pam Bonnie?
Do any of them have vested interests in lying about this or in reshaping?
One of the biggest statements that stood out for Pam Bonte is that they don't have any information on whether Jeffrey Epstein was working for basically the CIA or Mossad or all of the above.
And that was the one that was the most troubling because it's just not believable.
Then again, there's been massive reporting, right, that they seized blackmail tapes from Epstein's apartment and other places that were searched.
And so to say that this is all child porn and no one's ever seen it, well, that's also not very credible.
That's troubling.
And she looked like she wasn't comfortable with the answers that she was giving, which is to me an indication that she's either asked to say this for some reason or she's being directed to say it.
A memo that comes out with no name and no date and doesn't come out on the Department of Justice official website.
It doesn't come out from Pam Bonnie, from the Attorney General, or anyone.
It stinks.
And what I've learned too is that absence of normal is abnormal, right?
So that, I mean, one plus one always equals two.
And right now it's not adding up.
So there's something else at play here.
I do have to say, maybe it's because, maybe it's a personality of mine, but I do have faith in people.
I just, maybe because I know Dan Barno personally, I mean, maybe because I look at his past statements and conduct, I don't find inconsistencies in his previous conduct statements.
I don't find inconsistencies when it comes to the president, the Jeffrey Epstein issue.
You know, they like to say that Trump was on the island, that Trump was in the logs, and they drag out that one picture of Trump with Epstein, and they like to imply, but they leave out the fact that Trump fell out with Epstein.
He PNG'd him from Mar-a-Lago.
He obviously fell out with him, and he's had a child trafficking task force that he set up in the first administration.
And he has always shown that this is a big issue for him.
When it comes to crimes against children, President Trump has been at the forefront of that.
You know what scares me the most is that I trust and respect Dan Bongino and Cash tremendously.
Having had Cash on the show several times and we've had Dan on, Dan and I, not only do I know him, but we have many mutual friends and he's always been one of the most stand-up and honorable noble guys.
So when I see this, I think it's hard to believe that it's all true.
Epstein just killed himself.
There's no client list.
But if that's not the case and Dan is lying, it is terrifying to think about what would make Dan Bongino lie if he is.
Well, you know, this is a COVID war, this is a clandestine war.
This is not a war that, I mean, we are really right now in a full-blown war.
We are in the joining of fifth generation warfare, which is information warfare, where information is the entire battle, right?
Which is really the battle for your mind.
And we are in the midst of the beginning of sixth generation warfare, which is the battle for your soul.
And when it comes down to crimes against children and trading in children for business deals and government deals and power deals, whatever it happens to be, you are really in a battle for the soul of every human being, right?
Because if you know this is happening and you turn a bind at it or you enable it or so on, then your soul is compromised.
I mean, you're not doing what we are built to do.
Every single one of us has a responsibility as a decent human being to fight for and protect children.
And not just our own children, but everyone's children.
I'm not going to walk past somebody abusing their kids.
I'm not going to walk past a child that's in need.
I'm never going to do that.
I can't do that.
So it's outside of my conscience.
So when you see this kind of thing happening, I go back again to what is the task in front of Donald Trump right now.
As the president of the United States of America, he has the task of resetting the entire global system.
There's not an agency under him that is not infiltrated with deep state operatives.
He's being undermined from both sides of the aisle.
The establishment in the party.
The Senate is slow rolling his confirmations.
And, you know, he doesn't even have his own people in positions of real significance that matter across the federal government.
I mean, who knows what he's being told on a daily basis?
Because I hear over and over and over again that people are struggling to get access to him.
As usual, they try to silo the president in these situations.
You don't know if he's being lied to.
You don't know what he's being told, what he's not being told.
But so I just revert back to, you know, here's the guy who has been consistent on almost every single issue.
And people might say, well, he changed his mind on this, changed his mind on that.
Yes, that in itself is a consistent feature of Trump.
If he learns something new and he says, well, you know, I didn't know about this, or now that we know this, now this is our position.
That has been him all along.
So it is, we don't yet have the tools to understand exactly what is going on here, but it is worth considering what else they're doing.
One person, well, actually several people online were pointing out, it's disconcerting how many of Trump's enemies are latching onto this story against him.
And what does it mean when you find yourself in political alignment with people you know to be amoral or seeking the destruction of your country?
It doesn't mean they're always wrong, but I guess I wonder, you know, Cash and Danner as good as it gets in the FBI.
I mean, the going after Comey, and Cash Patel said publicly that Comey is responsible for the largest criminal conspiracy against the United States.
I mean, that's bold.
That's a bold statement.
And we want to see all of this good come out of it.
The Epstein thing is worrying because of how important it is and how Trump said he'd release it and how he ordered these things released.
And now all of a sudden we're getting this 180.
I guess the challenge for me is I don't want to sacrifice what Bongino and Cash can, are, and will do over one issue.
I think that's a smart decision, though, when you say that you don't want to basically obliterate everything else.
Because you're right.
There is common ground now.
There's sort of odd bedfellows, right?
That you've got people on the right and people in Trump's base, and now they're aligned with people on the left.
But that in itself is a very interesting issue because I never want to play into the hands of my enemies, right?
So I'm always conscious of that.
But I have my own principles and standards, and I'm not going to just toss that out of the window.
So where does that leave me?
Well, if I look at this from another angle, would all these calls from the Democrats now for the truth to come out about Epstein give them the cover that they need to release certain things?
I mean, that's a possibility.
Now, two years from now, that's not going to be a very credible possibility, but there is a short window of time where that is worth considering.
And then going to what you said about, you know, Comey being part of the largest conspiracy against the United States, this is true.
And this is not that it's bigger than anything, because nothing is really bigger than the fact that children are traded for power, money, and business and all these other things, right?
So nothing is bigger than that, ethically, ethically, and morally.
But in terms of those who have the task of dismantling all of this, that's pretty overwhelming in many respects.
That doesn't mean I'm giving anybody a free pass.
Because if they don't dismantle this system, if they don't hold people accountable, you literally just slip someone's jugular, i.e.
the United States, and you put a band-aid on it before you use a Trump, and we're still going to bleed out.
I mean, it's the end of freedom, the end of sovereignty, it's the end of all these things that we hold dear.
So you can't give people a free pass, but at the same time, I'm not one of those people that's just ready to throw myself on the bandwagon and start, you know, basically dumping all over people when I lack significant amounts of information and I can recognize the task in front of them is enormous.
The fear, I guess, is that there is something controlling things, a superstructure, as some have called it, that there is something, someone or an organization more powerful than the U.S. government that has cash and Dan and Trump even being like, okay, we can't cross this line.
I also wonder if it's actually that With Donald Trump getting access to this information with Pam Bondi, Dan and Cash, maybe they look at the list of information and the evidence, which we don't know exactly what it says, and then Trump concludes: if we actually were to expose this, it would damage the United States.
There would be collateral damage that would affect us, and we don't want that to happen.
I don't know, honestly.
And the challenge is it's hard to be forgiving in any capacity on this story.
Like, we don't believe you, and we want answers.
At the same time, what if there is a couple scenarios?
One is the release of this information will implicate prominent U.S. politicians, world leaders, allies, and corporations in a way that creates collateral damage to the U.S. government and economy, especially internationally, or could lead to conflict.
Like, if this really is what I think it is, and say there's like a Saudi prince on this list trafficking and doing horrible things.
And then Trump is like, they are going to break the petrodollar and flood the international market with oil and destroy our economy if we release this.
Should Trump still release it then?
I mean, my attitude is yes, still.
But is that a potentiality that maybe Trump is weighing the political pros and cons and like, he doesn't want to do it?
Well, when you have a system like this, right, which affects people in every country, you have the most powerful intelligence agencies in the world that have long used this system of trading children and corruption in order to blackmail people into doing what it is they want, to move markets, to move governments, and to move policy and so on.
So it is inevitable that the impact of this has the potential to do all of the things that you're saying.
So one theory is that it will cause a collapse in the markets and that Trump doesn't want to risk that happening to the markets.
Now, maybe it's not just because he wants to be the guy with the great economy.
Maybe it's because at the same time, they're working on these other things.
And if you collapse the economy in this moment, it's going to have catastrophic consequences.
We're not equipped to really evaluate whether those traits are worth it.
I mean, you say nothing is worth it, but we don't really know.
What you're talking about, second and third order effects.
That's the way they talk about it in information warfare and in the military, is that when you do one thing, you trigger something else, right?
So without knowing exactly what it is they're sitting on and what those second, third order effects would be, we're not in a strong position to judge.
So that's one thing.
The other part of it is that, you know, the president himself and his team obviously are having a difficult time communicating about this and coming up with a real strategy.
And that points to maybe the difficulty of the issue, but also maybe to do with some things internally.
You have to start questions about, you know, what it is that the president is being told, how this is being handled internally.
That's a fair question because they look so uncomfortable.
In a way, that's kind of reassuring because they're not very good liars, if that's the case, right?
And on this issue particularly, they don't appear to be pulling it off.
And then I would say that, you know, one of the last things is geopolitically, I can tell you that I have worked on trafficking issues where there are camps in third world countries that are run by Islamic terrorist groups,
that are supplied by cartels from Venezuela and Mexico, where there are pipelines of children that go straight to the Saudi royal family, you know, and people in power all over the world.
So when you say this can have, you know, dramatic consequences, that's not far-fetched to me.
That's very realistic.
Because when you understand this world of trafficking, and if you look at the pornography industry, right?
I mean, if you follow the money from the porn industry, it's kind of a roadmap to that Jeffrey Epstein network.
And this is a very serious place to start looking for how this ties into business, into industry, into global organizations, you know, the World Health Organization, the United Nations, I mean, governments across the world.
There is probably no more significant currency than children when it comes to this.
Man, it's kind of scary to realize that the international power structures are predicated upon the exploitation and abuse and rape of children and torture.
Correct.
And the people want the truth and they want it exposed, but it seems like no matter who's in power, for one reason or another, they feel some reason not to expose it.
No, I think, well, for me, I never tell people what they should do and how they think and how they should feel, right?
Everybody's got to make their own decisions.
I am the kind of person I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt to a degree because I know that there was seditious conspiracy and US law, right?
I believe it's chapter 115, treason and sedition.
And I know that those people who were responsible for that were responsible for Ukraine impeachment, for denying him to buy his laptop.
The same people are right now walking free, able to continue to subvert the Trump administration and the will of the American people.
And I know that if they do not deal with that, everything is lost.
That that is a conspiracy that has global ties, that we know that from the five ICE countries like the UK that was heavily involved in this conspiracy, that I know you have to dismantle that.
And you know what happens when you remove Pam Bondi?
You paralyze everything.
Nothing moves forward.
And then you have to get a replacement.
And then they have to get right on.
And the same thing with Cash Patel, the same thing with Dan Bongino, the same thing with Pete Hegsteth.
So for me, there is a much bigger game going on here.
There's a lot we don't know.
I'm not saying trust the plan.
I'm saying keep the pressure on.
Absolutely keep the pressure on because the only thing that seems to remove the Supreme Court is public pressure.
The only thing that's going to overcome activist judges that are trying to rule from the bench is public pressure.
The only thing that is really going to give this administration, that's going to give Trump the cover to do what he needs to do is public pressure.
So I say stand up taller, speak louder, and do not surrender under any circumstances.
I mean, you know, I asked Grock, what's the biggest trending story?
And it said the Epstein stuff.
Even today, people are not going to walk away from it.
But you mentioned the importance of going after this conspiracy.
There's also additionally in the United States the issue of illegal immigration and the efforts that Trump is taking.
So when I look at all of this, I am frustrated over the Epstein stuff.
But I also recognize if Trump loses this fight right now, then it's 100% completely lost.
And we're between a rock and a hard place.
Trump is the best we're going to get.
Cash and Dan are the best we're going to get.
And maybe we'll have to keep fighting and putting the pressure on to get the truth.
But for the time being, I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater and lose on the immigration battle and the conspiracy charges and the people that are seeking to subvert this country.
Remember, the immigration battle is part of the same sedition conspiracy, right?
They took human beings and they turned them into weapon systems.
And then they used them as cover to infiltrate this country with, for example, more than 300,000 trained members of the People's Liberation Army, with special intelligence units, with special operations units, with IRC units, with weapons, with terrorist, with hackers, with every bad actor that you can think of.
Not to mention hundreds of thousands of children were trafficked across that border.
And you put untold amounts of money in the hands of the worst people on earth with that open border, which was all in service of a globalist agenda to rule without sovereignty and without sovereignty.
So yeah, you're 100% correct.
There are very significant issues and they're all tied together.
And that, of course, was the intrepid Laura Logan.
Good insights.
A challenge.
I don't have a good answer.
Man, I'm pissed on the Epstein stuff.
I want Trump to win on the immigration stuff, the criminals, the abuse, all of that stuff.
I want him to win on the Comey, the RussiaGate stuff.
The Epstein stuff pisses me off.
But what do you do?
What do you do?
I don't think there's a bigger story than Epstein.
His connections, who is he working with, how is it going on?
The structures behind the scenes.
I just don't understand.
I feel like they've did a piss-poor job of dealing with the PR on this issue.
If it really was that there's something behind the scenes and they have to keep this under wraps for now, Dan should have come out, Cash should have come out, Pam or Trump.
Trump could come out and say, this Epstein guy was a sicko.
And the things we're learning are disgusting.
We've got to do it right.
And that means we can't just, within a few months, say we're going to release all this information because we're still investigating.
And we have to win.
And that requires strategy and it requires confidentiality.
And that's why you're going to have to be patient as we do what you have sent us here to do.
Say that.
And I'd say, all right.
But to come out with this memo, nothing to see here, boys.
I'm like, okay, nobody believes you.
It's just weird.
I don't get what they're trying to accomplish.
But anyway, thank you to Laura Logan for hanging out.
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