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June 4, 2025 - The Culture War - Tim Pool

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Democrats FURIOUS After Trump Admin ARRESTS Illegals At Immigration COURTS ft. George Fishman

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We have this story from NBC News.
		Immigration arrests in courthouses have become the new deportation tool stripping migrants of a legal process.
		It's a lie, by the way, that's not stripping them of a legal process.
		What's happening is illegal immigrants who are not supposed to be here are going to these courts to try and get legitimate stay in this country.
		And when they are invariably denied because they're here illegally, they walk out of the courtroom and they get arrested immediately.
		Now, NBC News says they're losing a legal process, but they broke the law and they're here illegally.
		And they still get their process, which is crazy.
		Check this out.
		They say after Julio David Perez Rodriguez attended an immigration hearing last week in pursuit of a refugee status in the U.S., the Cuban National was stopped by an undercover agent at the elevator, handcuffed and taken into custody.
		If you have done nothing illegal, why do you have me handcuffed?
		We're coming to this country to seek freedom.
		What is happening with this country, he said.
		You came here illegally, sought refugee status, was denied, and now you're being removed.
		They say he's one of dozens of immigrants caught in similar dragnets drawn in cities around the country since last week as the reality of President Donald Trump's mass deportation operation penetrates further into American families' consciousness.
		Now, I do have a question.
		What do you think, my friends?
		We have this for President Trump's job approval, and I'm going to show you.
		It's really good.
		It's a great job approval rating.
		In fact, Trump is doing better, I think we have this right here, than Bush and Obama.
		Indeed he is.
		The only problem, take a look at this 20-point swing.
		Over a similar time period, Yahoo News has a minus 13, Rasmussen has him up seven.
		Trafalgar has him up eight over the exact same time period.
		Morning Council has him down five.
		Nobody knows.
		None of it makes sense.
		What I can say is right now, with everything Trump is doing, with the big, beautiful bill and all these plans, if the Republicans do not enact mass deportations of illegal immigrants, Democrats will mess with the census in 2030.
		And this will result in a major shift that grants them extra votes in the Electoral College and they will never lose.
		Trump's got to get this job done right now so that the interests of the American people are what is being voted on.
		Because let me just express, let me say this before we jump to the interview.
		It is not about how many votes.
		It's about how many electoral votes.
		And some estimates say that California is upwards of 10. We got it.
		I think we're getting it going It's giving me the business, don't worry We got it There we go.
		Just a second.
		George, can you hear me?
		Can you hear me?
unidentified		I can.
unidentified		Can you hear me?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		Welcome to the show.
		Thanks for joining me.
unidentified		Thanks so much for having me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So would you like to just briefly introduce yourself for those who are not familiar with your work?
unidentified		Sure.
		Well, I've been doing immigration since 1995.
		I worked as the chief counsel for the Republicans on the House Judiciary Committees.
		Immigration subcommittee from 1998 to 2018.
		Then I worked at the Department of Homeland Security in the first Trump administration as a deputy general counsel at DHS.
		Now I'm at the Center for Immigration Studies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We've got a bunch of big stories.
		We've got the Trump administration saying they want to ramp up mass deportations.
		One of the big stories we're seeing, of course, is the deportation of this man, his entire family, after he committed a terror attack in Boulder, Colorado.
		And Tom Homan saying that we're going to be dealing with 10 years of national security threats because of the Biden administration's open border policy.
		I'm curious if you have any information that can expand on that.
		Do you agree with what Tom Homan was saying?
unidentified		I don't have any particular non-public information, but I certainly agree with Mr. Homan.
		Large numbers of individuals from countries, state sponsors of terrorism, countries of concern, came in under the Biden administration.
		Certainly many even from Afghanistan during the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan.
		And despite...
		It turned out that vetting was almost non-existent.
		So yeah, it's going to be a concern for a long time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you, just kind of as an aside, did you see that viral video where law enforcement officers approach a man in a car?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's an Afghan national who came to this country during that botched withdrawal and then he shoots these cops?
unidentified		No, when did that happen?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think this was like a week or two ago.
		viral video comes out.
		And I don't know the exact date of the shooting, but they pull this guy over.
		He's agitated and angry and he has a gun.
		And he says he's from Afghanistan and he hates this country and he didn't want to be here and he had to because of the botched withdrawal.
		And then there's like three cops and he unloads on them.
		I think one of the cops may have got shot in the arm, but this, I feel like things like that is exactly what Tom Homan's So, I'm curious.
		I know that we've talked about my opinion on these various reasons why they opened up the border and allowed, what, 10-plus million people to come in over four years.
		But in your research, is there a stated reason that they did this?
		Or do you think there's a hidden agenda as to why they opened up the borders the way they did?
unidentified		Well, I think the not-so-hidden agenda from the Biden administration is they truly believe that anyone in the world who wanted to come to the United States...
		About a year ago to assist the Homeland Security Committee with the impeachment of Biden's DHS Secretary Mayorkas.
		This was one of the reasons he was impeached by the House of Representatives for abusing the law in order to allow mass numbers of people into the country who were inadmissible under the laws that Congress passed that presidents have enacted into law.
		You know, these were his so-called Biden's so-called lawful pathways.
		In my mind, Biden's not-so-lawful pathways to just get around the laws of this country to bring in as many people as possible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think, you know, a lot of people say 20 million is the number of illegal immigrants in the country.
		I think Tom Homan said something like 10.5 million people came in over the past four years and now— But you've been doing this for a long time, so I'm curious, does it seem worse now than it was in the past?
		Yeah, go ahead.
unidentified		Well, certainly during the Biden administration, it's never been as bad as in the Biden administration.
		And hopefully President Trump and his administration can make substantial progress in undoing the damage from the Biden administration.
		When I was at DHS in President Trump's first term, when daily apprehensions at the border hit 2,000 a day, that was, you know, it was an emergency.
		It was all hands on deck and emergency.
		And fortunately, the Trump administration then came up with mechanisms such as remain in Mexico, and this was all before COVID, to staunch the flow of people coming in from Mexico.
		But under the Biden administration, it was past 10,000 a day.
		It was unprecedented apprehensions on the border.
		It really was something never witnessed before.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So your organization, what is your official stance?
		I suppose you could say you personally or your organization's stance on immigration.
		Is it safe, legal, controlled migration?
		Is it limited, moratorium?
unidentified		Well, I think the Center for Immigration Studies view is we need Fewer immigrants, but we need to give those immigrants we bring into the country legally a warmer welcome.
		But yes, to decrease legal levels of immigration, to allow for assimilation, to protect American workers, to cut off the flow of illegal immigration.
		And, you know, there's obviously a lot of views that can be encompassed within those goals, but those are the essential goals.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you think is the damage and the risk to this country by mass, unfettered illegal immigration?
unidentified		Well, you know, first, of course, is the damage to the rule of law, the loss of American sovereignty.
		It's, you know, many, many persons in very blue states and very liberal cities personally witnessed what happens when this mass, uncontrolled immigration.
		When all these aliens were allowed in or were even flown in by the Biden administration, flopped to cities like Chicago, New York, and what that did to the quality of life in these cities was dramatic.
		There's a representative, a Democratic representative from Arizona.
		Who basically said after the election, we Democrats lost the 2024 election because of two things, inflation and immigration.
		And it was the far left, he said it was the far left immigration policies of the Biden administration that defeated the Democrats in the 2024 election.
		So just ordinary people in liberal cities, in blue states, witnessing what happens to their quality of life.
		When there's mass uncontrolled immigration to their kids at school, to, you know, everything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What are like, we've talked about them quite a bit, but I'm wondering if you have any specific examples of, it is easy to point out a lot of these stories where one viral video, for instance, there was an older black man went to his community center and it was cots and like makeshift sleeping quarters for illegal immigrants.
		Those kind of things are obvious.
		Are there any other examples you've witnessed where people in blue areas were experiencing the negative repercussions of mass illegal immigration?
unidentified		You pointed out exactly what I was thinking of.
		Those sort of things I've read in the newspapers, videos I've seen, town halls in cities around the country in which American minorities, blacks, Hispanics, You know, just ordinary people were fed up, were frustrated.
		That's exactly the sort of thing you were talking about.
		There was the massive budget deficits, the billions of dollars spent on housing and feeding and all this massive number of aliens.
		It was the crime.
		Where, you know, Venezuelan gangs taking over and wrecking havoc.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Taking apartments over.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Crazy.
unidentified		And, you know, essentially, none of it had to happen.
		It happened because of the policies of the Biden administration.
		And, you know, it was, you know, as the House pointed out when it impeached Biden's DHS Secretary of Mayorkas.
		It was bad enough that they came in with these crazy ideas.
		You know, Biden was going to be the anti-Trump on immigration, do the exact opposite of everything Trump did.
		Okay, they came in like that.
		Even worse was the fact that once the effects of that became apparent, the effects on America, on Americans, they didn't change course.
		It's one thing if they came in with crazy ideas, realized the effects, negative effects they were having on the country and said, "Whoa, we gotta change things.
		This isn't working out." like we thought it would.
		No, they just continued down that path.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I feel like a lot of what the Biden administration was doing, much like what the Democratic campaigns are, is whatever Trump does, we do the opposite.
unidentified		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Even if it makes no sense.
		I do think, though, a couple of things.
		First, I think Democrats are trying to cheat the election, and it's not the way that most people think.
		They claim that illegal immigrants are voting to the millions.
		I know Trump made some claims like this, but I don't think that's it.
		I think what we've seen, I think it was even your organization had pointed this out.
		States like California get extra congressional seats by allowing illegal immigrants to stay, be protected, and they count them in the census.
unidentified		That's exactly right.
		Some states lose representatives.
		Some states gain representatives.
		On population changes driven by illegal immigration.
		That's exactly right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm curious, though.
		I was talking with Moms for Liberty the other day.
		She was mentioning this gender ideology stuff in schools, and I asked, where is it all coming from?
		She points out that the UN, the World Health Organization, are sending these people out to espouse this ideology.
		And not that I'm asking you about specifically that stuff, but it is curious that While we see similar issues in the United States, in Europe for the past decade plus, we've also had these political movements towards mass illegal immigration, bringing in people from undeveloped or underdeveloped nations, and it's caused massive negative economic repercussions.
		I'm curious if you've seen anything that correlates this, or I guess I suppose I can ask, why does it appear to be happening all over the West from Europe to the U.S.?
unidentified		You know, I don't know if it was necessarily the UN, but certainly the UN has been funding the path of illegal immigrants to the United States, giving them out cards with money in them to let them come across through Mexico and have money as they come through Mexico and traverse to the U.S. border.
		So our tax dollars have gone to the UN to fund giving money to illegal aliens to ease their journey.
		To the United States.
		So that has definitely happened.
		But it's just the elite view.
		There's no, at least in the United States, there's no issue where there's a bigger divergence between elite opinion and the opinion of average Americans regarding immigration.
		Just dramatic differences.
		And one thing I noted, and I wrote about this, for about 20 to 30 years, Democrat voters were trending dramatically towards open borders.
		Wow.
		Lack of concern about illegal immigration from the 90s to up until the Biden administration.
		And suddenly that turned around.
		Polling results indicate that just regular Democrat voters, you know, a lot of that 30, 20, 30 year, Shift reversed itself during the Biden administration when, you know, Democrat voters realized in their own communities what the effects were.
		So, I mean, I remember in 1996 when I was just starting out on immigration in the U.S. Congress, a majority of House Democrats voted for the 1996 immigration enforcement legislation.
		Dramatic immigration enforcement legislation ultimately signed by President Clinton, supported at least during one vote by a majority of House Democrats.
		Then we get to 2005, the next big immigration enforcement bill that hit the House floor.
		It was down to 19% of Democrats supported it.
		Wow.
		We get to 2018.
		The next big bill, the first bill was Lamar Smith's.
		Second bill was James Sensenbrenner's.
		Third bill in 2018, Bob Goodlatte.
		Zero House Democrats voted for it.
		Zero.
		So that just shows the shift that occurred because, you know, the extinction of the blue dog Democrats, the shift that occurred over decades.
		And it started turning around when people, you know, saw in their communities what was happening during the Biden administration.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's fascinating.
		It's almost like an accelerationism of sorts that the average Democrat voter didn't see it and didn't care and just said, sure, it's a good thing until it was in their school, in their community.
		I remember, I think it was the Democrat primaries for the 2020 cycle.
		All of the Democrats on stage were asked, would you decriminalize border crossings?
		And they all raised their hands and made it a civil charge.
		That is, every Democrat candidate saying, Open borders.
		Because a civil infraction means what?
		You get a fine and you can stay?
		They were just saying, open the borders completely, let everybody come in.
		Yeah, a lot of people woke up to what that really meant.
		And I think a lot of that had to do with, say, Texas Governor Greg Abbott sending busloads of people to other states.
		We recently were talking about even Jon Stewart said it was a brilliant move.
		Make them reap what they have sown.
unidentified		It was a brilliant move by the governor, but it wasn't just him.
		It was also Biden's DHS sending people to these cities.
		It wasn't just Abbott.
		It was sort of like a combined effort by Biden's DHS and Governor Abbott.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think what people don't realize is how dangerously close we were to losing the will of the American people.
		Because you take a look at— And although Trump did, he won all the swing states for obvious reasons.
		But it is really close with one political party in favor of, at least at the political level, open borders and non-citizens even voting in elections in places like New York and San Francisco, other jurisdictions.
		There's a video right now from a reporter, Nick Shirley.
		Where the FBI was conducting a raid reportedly on human traffickers and progressive protesters try to shut it down.
		They come out and protest this.
		When I see leftist, liberal, Democrat personalities advocating for the right of non-citizens to vote and voting to a great degree for politicians who support this, if that trend continued for even a few more years,
		Then the will of the American citizen would be gone because you're not going to be able to compete with an ever-increasing open border, a country that allows noncitizens to vote and then also allows noncitizens to come into the tune of millions every year.
		So with that being said, I think we did narrowly avoid that with Trump coming in.
		Now here's the obvious question.
		I think I know what your answer is going to be.
		How would you rate the Trump administration's efforts now with the Biden?
		You know, he's gone.
		How's Trump doing?
unidentified		In terms of immigration, obviously, at the border, a remarkable shutdown of the border.
		You know, for years, the Biden administration was saying, these are forces beyond our control.
		This was global warming.
		This was, you know, this was collapse in other countries.
		Whether or not there was global warming, human-caused global warming, whether or not there was a lot of violent crime in other countries, it's been that way for a long time, and that didn't stop things from changing the second that President Trump came into office.
		It's going to be a lot more difficult to deal with the population of illegal aliens who are already in the country than it is keeping aliens out who are not here yet.
		And I say that for a few reasons.
		And it's one of the reasons I have advocated that President Trump should seriously consider invoking the Insurrection Act to allow the US military to take direct law enforcement roles.
		I agree.
		ICE has about 6,000 officers nationwide.
		You know, that clearly they're doing all they can with the resources they have.
		But still, 6,000 officers dealing with all these sanctuary cities and states.
		I would certainly think the direct assistance of the military and its efforts would be beneficial.
		But, you know, in terms of removing...
		3.6 million case backlog.
		3.6 million cases.
		Years and years and decades to get through all those cases.
		Most of these aliens, especially those who Biden just released, we don't know where they are in the country.
		There are over a million aliens.
		Who already have final orders of removal.
		There's no more process that you have to go through.
		They have final orders of removal.
		We don't know where they are.
		So it's tracking those people down.
		The highest number of aliens who got removal orders and were removed from the interior of the U.S. in a year.
		I'm not talking about at the border.
		In the interior of the U.S., the highest number ever in a year was actually under the deporter-in-chief, Barack Obama, 2000, it was 2008 or 2009, 238,000.
		Wow.
		The highest ever.
		So, you know, I think equally or if not more important than official removals are going to be efforts to persuade aliens.
		To leave the country voluntarily.
		You know, the Trump administration is offering $1,000 to leave.
		I think it has been and needs to further ramp up worksite enforcement because it's always been agreed the number one magnet to the United States for illegal immigrants is jobs.
		If those jobs can be cut off, and there are various ways to do that.
		I proposed some recently, but that would encourage In terms of removing cartel members, the president promised to use the Alien Enemies Act.
		Back in 2023, I believe I was the first person to suggest a pathway that would actually be able to use the Alien Enemies Act to remove cartel members.
		And, you know, not that necessarily anyone reads my stuff.
		I know my wife doesn't, but that was sort of the theory that the president was using, that, you know, this Venezuelan gang is under the control, is associated with part of the Venezuelan government.
		So it's actually, it's crimes in the U.S. are an act of a foreign government.
		They're a predatory incursion, and therefore, the Alien Enemies Act can be legitimately invoked.
		I think we need to, in my own personal opinion, get past these due process issues, adhere to court orders, get the Supreme Court to bless the use of the Alien Enemies Act in this way, and then it will be an extremely powerful tool, because when the president can use the Alien Enemies Act to remove aliens, You get around this 3.6 million case backlog.
		It's a way to get around that gigantic roadblock.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I want to clarify, too, with the Insurrection Act, the president has the right to invoke this if laws are not being enforced.
		And so it's not just that the president says, I have the military and we're going to do whatever we want.
		He makes a declaration.
		He declares an insurrection.
		Outlining specifically, and here's the example, California, a sanctuary state, they call it, where they're not deporting known criminal aliens.
		Trump has the authority under the Insurrection Act to say, you have stopped enforcing the law, so we can now summon the National Guard.
		He can take control of the California National Guard, I was going to say Canada accidentally, the California National Guard, and then order them.
		To begin the standard law enforcement process.
		So this is everything being discussed.
		The liberal elements of media are going to claim it's fascistic, but it's all codified U.S. law written, created, passed, to be used for these purposes.
unidentified		You are exactly right.
		In my opinion, you are exactly right.
		The Insurrection Act has gotten a lot of bad press.
		But let me tell you some of the examples of when it's been used in the past.
		It was used by President Ulysses S. Grant to fight the Ku Klux Klan in the South after World War II.
		It was used by President Grover Alexander to protect Chinese immigrant miners against rioters in Washington state, you know, a hundred whatever years ago.
		by President Dwight Eisenhower, Lyndon Johnson, John F. Kennedy, to protect people during the civil rights movement.
		So it's been used, you know...
		Yeah, exactly.
		All these times.
		And, you know, I think this is another very legitimate purpose.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just I think we need to stop being so scared of the opinions of news publications and people who are actively destroying this country.
		They want you to feel shame for utilizing law enforcement and the law as it was prescribed and used before because they want illegal immigrants to flood this country.
		And anything Trump does, they're going to claim is fascistic or evil.
unidentified		Yeah, it's, you know, I agree.
		It's, you know, things, you know.
		Was it fascistic and evil when Ulysses S. Grant used it, when Lyndon Johnson used it, when John F. Kennedy used it?
		Let's treat everyone with the same standard.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
		Well, I do appreciate you joining me to talk about all of this stuff, especially considering how big the issue of immigration has gotten.
		Where can people hear more or find more about the work you guys are doing?
unidentified		Well, sure.
		If they'd like to, they can go to the website of the Center for Immigration Studies.
		They can take a look at the publications that I and the other people at CIS have written and podcasts and all sorts of things like that.
		And I really appreciate you giving me the chance to be on with you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thank you very much.
		Well, I do appreciate it.
		Thanks for coming on.
		We look forward to seeing more from you guys, and we'll see you next time.
unidentified		Thanks so much.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have a good one.
unidentified		You too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That was Center for Immigration Studies.
		Really amazing stuff.
		They put on a lot of great information.
		Obviously, they work in D.C. And it is, I think, the most important takeaway from this before we send you all off to our friend The Quartering.
		Final thoughts on this is we need to stop being so worried about the opinions of The New York Times.
		People on the right, conservatives, whatever you want to call them.
		The use of these laws that exist and have existed for hundreds of years, like the Alien Enemies Act, they're trying to make that a negative, saying it's an old law from the 1700s.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And so it's been around forever.
		That's a good thing.
		That means we're not talking about Trump and his cronies passing laws to be fascists.
		We're talking about Trump saying, hey, this law is already on the books.
		This is a normal function of our government to deal with criminals.
		Criminal aliens and invasive incursions.
		And so we should.
		And then they argue it's fascistic.
		Get out of here.
		None of that.
		We have a right to enforce our immigration laws.
		And Trump and the Republicans, the right, disfected liberals, whoever it may be, should feel no shame in saying the Insurrection Act exists specifically when you are not enforcing laws.
		And so it's time for these deportations.
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