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Democrats FURIOUS, Try To BLOCK White Refugees ft. Raw Egg Nationalist

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charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Libby.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Hey, how are you doing?
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm good, thanks.
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		Good to be with you.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Good to be with you as well.
		So we have your piece up at humanevents.com about what's going on in South Africa and the refugees who came here.
		Can you tell us a little bit about that situation?
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
		So I wrote a piece, an opinion piece for Human Events, about the Africana refugee program, which Trump promised right at the beginning, actually not long after his inauguration.
		It was interesting, actually, you know, the...
		The pushback against anti-white racism in South Africa came basically straight away from the Trump administration.
		It was almost more or less a day one policy.
		You know, you had Marco Rubio saying, look, you know, this has got to end.
		This is despicable.
		You know, we're not going to attend the G20 in Johannesburg, which I think, you know, that's a pretty big thing in and of itself, because if I remember correctly, then the leadership of the G20 is passing to the U.S. at the end of the year.
		So, you know, that's a big snub.
		That's a serious snub.
		You had Elon Musk also, of course, who is a South African.
		He's not a boer, but he is a white South African nevertheless, doing his best to raise awareness of anti-white racism in South Africa and farm murders.
		And then you have Donald Trump saying, look, actually, we're going to offer refuge to white farmers who are fleeing state-sponsored persecution.
		I mean, I'm still surprised, actually, that this has actually come off, that he's actually done it.
		But, you know, last week, 59 white Afrikaners arrived in the U.S. at Dulles Airport.
		All hell broke loose, really, especially on social media, but also in the mainstream media, too.
		So on social media, I mean, you had these ghastly videos of people...
		We're going to hunt you down.
		We're going to find you.
		We're going to make you go back to South Africa because you don't belong here.
		We're going to find you.
		And then you had mainstream commentators saying, too, these people shouldn't be here.
		They don't deserve to be here.
		They're not fleeing oppression.
		They're not being targeted in their home country.
		And actually...
		As a matter of fact, maybe they should go back to their real homeland, which is Germany.
unidentified		Right.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		That was Ashley Allison.
		She was saying that on CNN.
		She said that they're not experiencing genocide, so they should go back to Germany.
		And this has been something that they keep bringing up.
		You know, there's no genocide of white people in South Africa, so there's no such thing as refugees.
		What do you make of that?
		Is a refugee only someone who's experiencing genocide?
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		No, obviously not.
		And certainly, I think, as you were saying just before I came in, if you look at the criteria for other countries, if you look at the criteria for these special exemptions that were given for the Cubans and the Venezuelans and the Nicaraguans, then it's all pretty thin.
		And the point of my article really is...
		Look, this is mask off now.
		Now we're seeing really the double standards.
		Now we're seeing that actually, you know, this isn't about anything other than actually the fact that these people are white.
		That's the problem.
		The problem is that they're white.
		And white people don't deserve protection in the liberal worldview.
		And in fact, actually, perhaps, you know, it's even darker than that.
		It's actually, you know, white people actually basically deserve to be...
		Well, to be exterminated.
		We know this already.
		This isn't actually news to us.
		And that's something I say in the article, too.
		We know that white people are bottom of the heap in the liberal hierarchy of morality and values.
		We know that the worst thing it's possible to be in the liberal worldview is a white heterosexual man.
		Up until now and until this refugee programme, then there was a certain amount of hedging.
		There was always a little bit of embarrassment about the kind of exterminationist rhetoric that you'd hear.
		It would always be kind of hedged a little bit.
		But now that's gone.
		I mean, now that there actually are white refugees arriving in the US from South Africa.
		Bearing the original sin of apartheid as well.
		That was something that Rick Stengel, who is a kind of deep state apparatchik, he went on, I think, MSNBC, and he said, you know, look, these people aren't responsible for apartheid, not directly.
		But basically, they bear the original sin, they bear the stain of apartheid, they've benefited from the apartheid system, and so they absolutely cannot be let into the country.
		And so what this really is, and this is the crux, I suppose, of my argument in the opinion piece, is this is a theological view.
		This is a liberal theological view of white people as basically bearing original sin.
		Yeah, it's a complicated, unpleasant thing.
		But yes, definitely, by the actual standards that are applied generally to refugees, people seeking asylum in the US, then of course they should be able to come.
		Of course they should be able to come.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		There was an argument.
		I was listening to the New York Times has this daily podcast and they were going on about this and it was actually really fascinating to listen to some of the...
		Some of their apologies, essentially, for the violence against white South Africans, saying, you know, it's really not that bad.
		It's not a genocide.
		There's just, you know, a bunch of murderers.
		It's really not so bad.
		Who's really worried about that?
		The black South Africans deserve a better chance, you know, deserve to be refugees more than the white South Africans do because of apartheid.
		And, of course, you had Ashley Allison, who you mentioned earlier.
		She's the one who said go back to Germany.
		She was saying on that same—and she was corrected, you know.
		Like, you know, whatever.
		She was corrected.
		But she was like, whatever, who cares?
		She was saying also that the white Afrikaners, if they don't like the new laws that have been put in place, the sort of land reclamation laws, then they should just go back to Germany, that they should, you know, that's their problem for not liking the laws.
		These laws that have been enacted for 2025 essentially say that land can be grabbed by the government for no compensation.
		And when you look into it, they're saying, oh, you know, it would probably go through the courts and it's probably just for land that's standing there that nobody's using.
		And they accuse the white South Africaners of owning the most land in the country.
		But doesn't the government own the most land in the country?
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		I'm not, I mean, I do know that the white South Africans, Afrikaans in particular, yeah, then I think they do publicly own or rather privately own the farmland.
		And I think they do own the most.
		But yes, I mean, I would imagine that the South African government has much more, much more land actually to do anything with.
		And it could, if they wanted to, then they could give land to black South Africans to farm.
		But what's important, I think, actually to note is, you know, This expropriation has been done before.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		It was in the 90s, right, with Mandela?
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		But also it was done in Zimbabwe.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course.
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		Former Rhodesia.
		And it turned Zimbabwe from the breadbasket of Africa into a basket case very, very quickly.
		And in fact, actually what's so ironic and sad now is that actually the government of Zimbabwe is trying to ask white farmers to come back.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		How's that going for them?
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, would you go back really, knowing that actually your land could be taken at any moment by the government?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		And weren't there a fair number of murders also in Zimbabwe?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yeah, very much so.
		I mean, not only during the long bush war that took place before Rhodesia became Zimbabwe, but also actually afterwards, then yes, there was a period of sort of, I think it was about 20 years, actually, when White farmers still held on to a lot of land, but they were threatened and attacked and murdered and all that kind of stuff.
		And then this land expropriation law was brought in, and the country went to hell in a handbasket very, very quickly.
		So it's very strange to see, actually, the South African government wanting to go in the same direction as Zimbabwe, because if there's a cautionary tale, it's Zimbabwe.
		But it's about more than that.
		It is, I think, about eliminating white people, I think, and expropriating white people and taking revenge on white people, too.
		And, you know, I end this piece for Human Events by saying it's sad that actually, you know, these people, these Afrikaners, they're fleeing this exterminationist mindset, but actually they're coming to America and they're discovering that also actually a lot of people in America hold it, too.
		And, you know, America isn't that different a country from South Africa, unfortunately.
		It's just that South Africa is further down that...
		Dreadful, dreadful road of collective guilt than America is.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		There was a situation under the Biden administration where it was because of COVID.
		And so they decided to give out a bunch of loans to American farmers who had suffered under COVID.
		And Agriculture Secretary at the time, Tom Vilsack, prioritized Black farmers and Black landowners for these loans over their white counterparts.
		And the argument was specifically that...
		This was a racial consideration.
		Of course, the white farmers did sue, and they brought it to court.
		And Vilsack admitted, the Biden administration had to admit, that their intention was to remedy past discrimination with discrimination in the present.
		And the judge, the federal judge said...
		You know, that's not cool.
		You can't do that.
		That's totally illegal.
		Do you think that America could get to a place with the wrong leadership where that kind of thing is permitted to go through?
		I mean, essentially, that's what's going on in South Africa.
		They're trying to fix past discrimination by discriminating in the present against the people who are the descendants of those oppressors or just look like them.
		Do you think that we could end up with something like that?
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I do.
		I think that it's actually the logical end point, actually, of all radical leftist political projects is this kind of...
		Collective scapegoating, collective dispossession, collective punishment.
		We saw it in the Soviet Union, of course, where it was class-based.
		But there was also an ethnic element to it actually in the Soviet Union too.
		But certainly now in the new kind of updated leftist worldview where it's not about class but it's about race, then yeah, I think that the collective scapegoating inevitably ends up...
		Focusing on white people.
		It's never anybody else.
		And so, yes, I mean, I think if the wrong kind of regime were to take power in the US, then, yeah, I mean, there's absolutely no reason not to believe that that couldn't happen.
		And, you know, we see moves towards, like you say, you know, we've seen moves towards this kind of collective kind of sort of anti-white racism, really.
		In fact, and during the pandemic, it wasn't just farmers.
		You may remember that actually medical treatment actually...
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I forgot about that somehow, yeah.
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		Yes, so monoclonal antibodies, for example, which were one of the more effective, I think, treatments for COVID-19, they were rationed in certain areas and only given to non-white Americans.
		It was actually explicitly said certain treatments will only be given to non-whites on the basis of historical injustice, structural inequality, etc.
		It's not that it's just happening in terms of property ownership or access to land.
		It's across the board.
		And actually, the medical industry in particular, there's a great focus on structural inequality.
		Lack of access to medical treatments for non-whites and attempts to remedy it by allowing non-whites to have preferential access to new treatments.
		So, yeah, I mean, you're already further down that road, actually, I think, than you know.
		And once you start to collect together all of these different examples, actually, it becomes clear.
		Yeah, we're not that different actually from South Africa or Zimbabwe.
		You know, you start talking about the 1619 Project, for example, this attempt to say that actually, no, America wasn't founded in 1776.
		America was founded in 1619 when the first slave ship arrived.
		And that's America's original founding sin.
		So the founding of America wasn't something to be proud of.
		It was the original sin of bringing Africans as slaves to America.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I wanted to get your reaction on this clip.
		Tate, can we play this?
		This is Ellie Mistal.
		Am I saying that right?
		This was pretty weird.
elie mystal ▲ ● ▼		This election has proven that this administration has proven painfully in some ways is that Black people cannot save this country from white folks.
		We can't do it alone, right?
		If white folks aren't going to join in, if white women aren't going to join in, if Latinos aren't going to join in, we can't do it alone.
		This election has proven that this administration...
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think Elie Mistal thinks that the country needs to be saved from white people and that white people need to help him do it?
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a funny thing, isn't it?
		It's part and parcel, and actually I talk about this too in the article, this notion that actually when they're talking about whiteness, what they're talking about actually is a structure.
		So it's kind of a way of disguising the fact that actually it is just naked hatred of white people for the colour of their skin.
		But what they say is these kind of race grifters, these academics, these kind of pseudo-intellectuals, they say no.
		Whiteness isn't white people.
		Whiteness is a structure of oppression and white people themselves can help to dismantle it.
		But they don't actually mean that at all.
		They're just clothing naked racism in basically this sort of respectable garb.
		But yeah, I mean, I think that there is this emphasis on white people sort of...
		Exterminating themselves, basically, effacing themselves, you know, because I think it's kind of like, I mean, it's this twisted kind of revenge kind of rhetoric.
		And I think it makes that revenge even sweeter, you know, sort of forcing white people basically to participate in their own destruction.
		It's a funny thing.
		I mean, it's a deep kind of, it has these deep psychological wellsprings, I think.
		In this sense of revenge, in this sense of resentment and a kind of desire to revenge oneself on one's oppressors, it's nasty stuff.
		It's nasty stuff.
		And look...
		You know, we've seen, we know where it leads.
		In South Africa, it leads to murder.
		It leads to rape.
		It leads to the killing of children.
		I mean, you have, you know, you have these South African politicians and race grifters who say, you know, we shouldn't just kill white people.
		We need to kill their pets, too.
		We need to kill their cats.
		We need to kill their dogs.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Why do they need to kill the pets?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I thought pets were innocent.
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		Well, but this is the thing, because I think it's a sense of sort of...
		Wiping every last trace of white people from South Africa.
		Different ethnicities have different attitudes to animals, for example, and to pets.
		I think that's partly what it is.
		It's not enough simply to redistribute the land.
		You actually have to make it as if these people never existed at all.
		I mean, yeah, you sadly missed our guy.
		I mean, I think he probably would, in an unguarded moment, say something that wouldn't be out of place at all at one of these kind of blood-curdling South African rallies.
		But of course, for the sake of respectability, he has to clothe his naked racism in some kind of slightly more acceptable garb.
		And I think that's what he's doing there.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Under the Nelson Mandela government, In the 90s, there was a plan to create reparations for black South Africans.
		And there was a big initiative for either cash reparations or land repatriation.
		And most of the people took cash instead of land.
		So why do you think that the South African government believes now that, you know, either that the same culture that encouraged Black South Africans to take cash would now encourage them to go about farming.
		I was reading some statistic and I don't have it on the tip of my tongue, but it was that a lot of the land owned by black South Africans is not being farmed at all anyway.
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, look, farming is difficult.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't do it.
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		You can't just come into farming.
		You're a poor, urban, black South African.
		You're not going to know how to run a farm.
		I mean, it's a recipe for disaster.
		And again, in Zimbabwe, land from white farmers was just given to Robert Mugabe's cronies, to members of his kind of extended clan and his sort of political grouping.
		And it was a disaster because they didn't know what to do with it.
		So, I mean...
		That's at least, I think, the sort of Nelson Mandela thing.
		That at least is a sign that Mandela understood, you know, South Africa needs to have a functioning agricultural sector.
		And look, if we're going to do reparations and, you know, sort of make amends for apartheid, then it would be better actually to redistribute money rather than redistributing the land.
		But, you know, whatever wisdom Nelson Mandela was possessed of, I don't think South Africa's current leaders are.
		I think that they're totally wrapped up in this...
		Well, what they're actually totally wrapped up in is they're totally wrapped up in distracting from their own part in South Africa's downfall.
		South Africa has declined enormously in three decades since, what, 1991 or 1994, whenever apartheid officially came to an end.
		It's been 30 years, and South Africa is a third-world country now.
		And all sorts of things are going wrong and it's mismanagement, it's cronyism, it's corruption.
		But no, actually, it's white people.
		It's white people having all the land because that's basically the only thing that white people kind of have left in South Africa.
		And so I think the focus on the land is...
		It's basically a way to distract from the South African government's failures.
		But of course, it will only make things worse.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		You also had the leader of South Africa, Ramaphosa, saying that those South Africans who came to the U.S. were essentially cowards, which I found really surprising.
		How do you say that people who pick up everything and move to another country are cowards?
		It's actually, it seems to have a lot of daring in it, if you ask me.
		You know, people who leave everything behind.
		My ancestors did that themselves, you know, from Italy and Norway.
		So, and they were some of the most courageous people that I know.
		Why do you think that he was interested in framing these people as cowards?
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, I mean, it does.
		You know, I mean, the Boer have been in South Africa for longer than the Bantu.
		So the Boer were there first.
		The Boer have been there for 400 odd years.
		You know, I mean, they, you know, they carved out an inhabitable nation.
		From wilderness.
		And, you know, they have deep, deep ties.
		I mean, they genuinely believe that they have a right to live in South Africa and to continue maintaining the land and maintaining the traditions of their ancestors.
		But I think that the...
		Those comments by Ramaphosa are just part and parcel, really, of the demonization of white people in South Africa.
		I think that you couldn't portray them as being brave in any sense.
		You have to portray them.
		They're cowards because, of course, they obtained the land.
		So it's not like, you know, you can't really actually concede any kind of sort of goodness to these people.
		You have to demonize them.
		You have to say, look, these people are cowards.
		They got the land illegally.
		They exploited black South Africans.
		They created this terrible racist system of segregation and exploitation.
		And now look what's happening to them.
		They're getting what they deserve.
		Well, they're about to, and they're going to run away.
		They are the ultimate cowards.
		So I think it is just about portraying white South Africans as morally reprehensible in every regard, as evil, as evil, you know, basically.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Do you think more Afrikaners are going to seek to come to the U.S.?
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, I did some reporting about this at the weekend and the weekend before, and I did read somewhere that the U.S. Embassy, I think...
		in Johannesburg said, or Cape Town, wherever it is, said that something like 70,000 Oh, my goodness.
		That's a huge number of people.
		Yeah, I think it's like four million, I think, white people in South Africa.
		But yeah, I think tens of thousands, at the very least, are interested in coming.
		And I'm not surprised either.
		I mean, this number, this first batch, 59, that's potentially, that's a drop in the ocean, actually, compared to the number that might actually come.
		And I can assure you, if tens of thousands, if 70,000 Afrikaners come to the US, then there will be a collective.
		I mean, there's already been a meltdown, but it will be.
		It will be visible from space, I think.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Also, what happens to countries when they lose so many people?
		We've seen that with Central American countries where a lot of people come to the US and then the countries are in turmoil and they lose smart people, industrious people who are willing to make that kind of leap of faith and the next thing you know, the country is falling into ruin.
		Do you think South Africa would be worse off to lose all of these people?
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		South Africa will be like Zimbabwe, but South Africa is a bigger country than Zimbabwe.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		It's a huge landmass, yeah.
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		Much larger population, enormous infrastructure.
		South Africa has always been a much wealthier country than Rhodesia and then Zimbabwe.
		So we're actually going to see similar problems, but on a far, far greater scale.
		And, you know, in places in Zimbabwe, then what you've actually seen is you've seen a lot of black Zimbabweans basically return to the land and to a more kind of tribal way of way of living the way that their, you know, the way that their ancestors had lived before I don't think you're going to see that in South Africa.
		You've got these huge...
		Urban populations of very poor black South Africans, they can't just go back and...
		And live like their tribal ancestors.
		So there's going to be terrible, terrible unrest, I can assure you, if the food stops being produced, if they can no longer be fed.
		And that, I think, will lead to really, really terrible violence too.
		And it will be directed at white people.
		It will also be directed at the colours in South Africa.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Like the Indians and Pakistanis who are there.
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		Well, coloureds are a kind of separate racial group in between whites and blacks.
		And the blacks in South Africa hate them as well because they're mixed.
		So they've got maybe some white ancestry as well.
		Sounds like a very healthy society.
		They have their own kind of subculture, if you will, or separate culture.
		And they're usually more successful than just the straight black South Africans.
		They get a lot of hatred directed towards them as well.
		And like you say, yes, the Indians, I mean, in Uganda, then the Indians, when Idi Amin came to power, then they were persecuted because they were a very successful minority.
		So I think that, yes, I mean, if South Africa really does start to break down.
		If you really do get a collapse, and I mean, it's already collapsing now, you know, you have rolling blackouts, infrastructure is constantly falling apart, and you've got copper cables being stolen all the time and transformers being stolen, and anything that isn't nailed down and guarded is looted by these kind of roving gangs of thieves.
		Yeah, you're going to see serious unrest, serious urban unrest, lots of violence, will be difficult for the government to control.
		It's not going to be nice, and it will happen.
		It will happen.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Well, thanks so much for joining us today.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Why don't you tell people where they can find you?
charles cornish-dale ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
		It's been a pleasure, Libby.
		So you can find me on Twitter.
		I'm RawEggNationalist on Twitter.
		BabyGravy9 is my handle.
		I'm on Substack, raweggstack.com.
		I have a magazine called Mansworld, which is mansworldmag.online, and I write and report for Infowars as well, so you can find my news stories and opinion pieces on infowars.com as well.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Okay, great.
		Thanks so much.
		And be sure everyone to check out his article in humanevents.com.
unidentified		Thank you.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Great.
		So thanks, guys.
		Thanks for tuning in.
		Thanks for hanging out with us today, hanging out with me today.
		I appreciate it.
		I'm actually going to be in tomorrow.
		Thursday, which is the day after tomorrow.
		So tune in for that as well.
		Tim's out of town.
		And I'd like to throw to Russell Brand.

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