Media LYING About White Farmers Being MURDERED In South Africa, Democrats PROVE They're RACIST ft. Dr. Ernst Roets
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We have the story from the AP, the Episcopal Church, as it will not help resettle white South Africans granted refugee status in the U.S. The left is arguing there is no persecution of white Afrikaners.
The New York Times says, why are they being granted refugee status?
And they mention how will they be resettled?
Going over this issue.
In the AP, they say what to know as Trump brings in a group of white South Africans as refugees.
One of these stories, here we go.
Sorry, it wasn't the New York Times, it was the AP.
South Africa says there's no persecution.
The South African government said the U.S. allegations that Afrikaners are being persecuted are completely false, the result of misinformation and an inaccurate view of its country.
It cited the fact that Afrikaners are among the richest and most successful people in the country and said they are amongst the most economically privileged.
Afrikaners are the descendants of mainly Dutch and French colonial settlers who first came to South Africa in the 17th century.
So they're saying it's not actually happening.
But the issue that I see, my friends, is that you can certainly point to the fact that, indeed, many of the wealthiest people in the country are white and have been white.
There are many poorer people who have no means to travel, no means to leave, and no means to defend themselves from violent crimes.
So we are going to pull in a political activist and an individual with first-hand experience, Ernst Rutz.
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I am the executive director of a newly established institution in South Africa called the Pioneer Initiative.
And the Pioneer Initiative is an institution that seeks to...
Or that pushes for political reform in South Africa to work towards a more decentralized political system to get the government closer to the people and to give the various or the variety of communities that live in South Africa a much higher degree of self-governance over their own affairs.
So other than that, I'm an author, I'm a documentary filmmaker, and I'm a scholar in constitutional law.
I guess my first question before we go into all the hard details, are there concerns that you have about speaking politically on these issues, particularly related to the persecution of white farmers and things like that?
The legal system and the fact that we have freedom of speech in South Africa.
But to a certain extent, the answer is yes, we are concerned about speaking about this because the South African government and people within political parties, major political parties, including within the ruling party in South Africa, those in power, have recently started to declare that people who speak out against what is happening in South Africa...
Are committing high treason and should be prosecuted for high treason.
So several complaints of high treason has already been filed.
Although the names of the people who are being investigated for high treason, as far as I know, hasn't been disclosed, I believe that it is four of my colleagues from another institution who recently went to America to talk about problems in South Africa.
So there are these threats of prosecuting people for committing high treason for doing, for example, what I'm doing with you right now, talking about the crisis in South Africa.
This is what I was concerned about in having this conversation because, you know, I've I'm nowhere close to any kind of expert on South Africa, but I've probably read a bit more than the average person.
I had met someone from South Africa some 25 years ago, got me interested in what had been happening to your country since the end of apartheid, and obviously with apartheid too.
My first question then, just to get into the thick of things, the United States is bringing in some refugees.
Is there a persecution or discrimination against white people in South Africa?
And it's really alarming the extent to which minorities in South Africa, but especially white people, and you could add especially the Afrikaner people, the Afrikaans-speaking, broadly speaking, the Afrikaans-speaking white community, or the Boers, as we are also known, are being persecuted.
And when we say persecuted, we mean that this is happening on a variety of levels.
The one and the most obvious is through legislation.
South Africa, as we speak, is as far as we could determine the country in world history with the most discriminatory race laws.
There are more than 140 race laws currently in place in South Africa that seek to discriminate against especially white people.
But that's just one way of looking at the extent to which there is persecution.
Other than the laws that we have in place currently and the racially discriminatory laws, there is a very aggressive push by the ruling party in South Africa to erode the property rights clause in the South African constitution to empower the state to confiscate private property without compensation.
They call this EWC, expropriation without compensation.
And they have made it very clear that they want to take property that belongs to white people.
But that's just one way.
And then we have South Africa is a violent country in general, and we have a variety of problems when it comes to violent crime.
One of these problems is a very particular and a very unique problem, which is the targeting of farmers.
Through what we call farm attacks or farm murders.
And it's not just farmers being attacked and killed, but being tortured in the most grotesque ways you can imagine.
But then on top of that, what we have is politicians, very influential politicians, openly chanting.
Chants such as kill the boer, kill the farmer, talking about how minority communities have to be exterminated and so forth.
And then we have the president defending them.
We have the justice system defending them with the court, for example, recently ruling that there's nothing wrong with chanting kill the boer, kill the farmer at a political rally.
And then we can go further than that when we talk about persecution.
We can give examples of, for example...
The former president publicly saying that everything that is wrong with South Africa and that is wrong in South Africa should be blamed on white people.
Publicly saying that a democracy works like this.
If you are part of the minority, you should have fewer rights than the majority.
The current president going on to an international platform in New York City saying that there are no farm killings in South Africa, there's no land grabs and so forth.
They're just blatantly lying.
And then publicly talking about how property has to be confiscated from white people and given, as he says, to our people.
So we have the president of the country using the term our people to refer to a very particular section of society.
And these are just a few examples.
If we can elaborate on the extent to which minorities are being targeted.
Well, I've read a lot of stories about these farm killings.
The press in the United States, particularly right now, the Associated Press.
When they ran a story saying what you need to know about these refugees, they said South Africa says there currently isn't a persecution of white people.
And many of these outlets are saying that the farm killings are unrelated to land expropriation.
So have there been any instances where white farmers were killed specifically because of their land?
Firstly, the farm killings, the problem with that is it happens so often, these attacks and the killings.
So one way to measure it is if you – I actually wrote a book about this.
It's called Kill the Boer.
It's available on Amazon with more than 1,000 source references.
So it took me three years to really study this phenomenon.
One way to look at the numbers is to look at police, official police statistics.
And over a period of two decades, that's about 20 years, According to the police data in South Africa, there were on average two farm attacks every day in South Africa, during which two people were murdered every week.
And so that's the extent of the crisis.
And now the thing is, as I said, it happens so often that surely there would be cases that would be what some people describe as robbery gone wrong.
Someone goes in to steal a television and then they get caught.
By the farmers, they thought maybe the house was empty, there's an outburst, there's some form of a scuffle and someone gets killed.
And then these commentators are always very eager to point to such cases and say, well, this was robbery gone wrong, so there's no evidence of political motivation.
When the fact is that there are many cases when there are, in fact, evidence of political motivation during these attacks.
We see this, for example, with farm attacks where the attackers Chant political slogans while attacking their victims, while torturing them in some cases.
We've had the worst case was an elderly couple, an elderly woman and her daughter who was also an elderly lady.
Both of them were severely tortured on a farm and the attackers took the blood of the victims and wrote the slogan, kill the boer, on the wall.
And so we have people literally writing kill the boer with the blood of the victims.
And then we have politicians chanting kill the boer at political rallies.
And then we have the constitutional court in South Africa saying, well, they don't see anything wrong with chanting kill the boer.
So it's very, very alarming.
We have attackers.
Using the names of politicians during these attacks, saying, like Julius Malema is the one guy who keeps chanting, kill the Boer, one of the many, at political rallies.
And so we have had cases of the attackers chanting things like, Viva Malema, die white man, as they attack farmers.
And so for us, for someone like me...
Within the Afrikaner community, having grown up in an agricultural community, knowing many farmers, knowing people who have been murdered, knowing people who have been attacked and who survive, to read these kind of reports that are published in places like America by the media, but also in South Africa, trying to pretend that this is a non-issue, people should not be focusing on this.
It's really bizarre.
And we live in the era of offensive Olympics.
Everyone tries to be the most offended by...
Just imagine how offensive this is.
If a member of your family, your father or your child or your mother or someone who's close to you was murdered during one of these attacks.
And then you read in...
The New York Times, for example, that this is a non-issue.
There's no political issue here.
People should not be talking about this.
What could be more offensive than that?
And so I'm very grateful for the rise of alternative media and podcasts such as yourself that are shedding light on this very serious crisis.
And this is a very important point that we have a very rich history.
The Afrikaner people in this country.
We arrived.
The settlement, the first settlement that eventually led to the, what you could say, origins of the Afrikaner people was in 1652.
My great, great, great, great grandfather, the first roots of whom I dissent, who came to South Africa.
He lived about the same age as George Washington.
He was older than George Washington.
I believe he was about a teenager when George Washington was born.
And so we've been in this country, you could say my personal family has been in this country since the founding of America.
And we have a very rich history.
we've had many existential crises because we're a small nation and small nations often face existential crises and we face one now.
And there are people who want to leave the country and we believe if it's possible for them to go, it's good if they have the opportunity to go, but we need to find a solution for the communities in South Africa who have been here for hundreds of years and who want a sustainable future here in the southern tip of the African continent.
I'm going to assume on this next question that I'm, I'm, I'm not nearly informed enough to have this opinion, just to be honest.
From what I've read and from what I know, again, being limited, it seems like crime began to skyrocket in South Africa after the end of apartheid.
And not just crime, but very serious crimes like infant rape and things like that.
And so my view of things is you had a problem, obviously, with apartheid.
But the end of apartheid has resulted in just different kinds of problems with, now you're mentioning, many, many different race-based laws on the books targeting different groups, targeting white people predominantly.
It seems like the way that apartheid ended was probably the wrong way to go about it, though it wasn't a good system.
Maybe I'm wrong, but just to put it simply, when I look at the history of South Africa as a leading industrialized nation, And then you start to read about the explosion of crime after the end of apartheid.
It seems like however it was dismantled just resulted in the problem being worse.
So there was a press conference in the year 1990 just after...
The legislation such as the Suppression of Communism Act and so forth, which was in some ways the backbone of the apartheid system, was rescinded.
And the ANC, of course, has always been a movement.
The ANC is the ruling party in South Africa.
They've always been a movement committed to the promotion of communism and socialism.
And so as a result of this legislation being repealed and the negotiations starting for a new South Africa, as they called it, the new South Africa.
The president of South Africa at the time, F.W. de Klerk, was asked at a press conference, how will you know if you made the right decision?
And he responded with, we will see what happens with the violence.
If the violence increases, it would have been the wrong decision.
If it decreases, it would have been the right decision.
Now, I wholeheartedly agree with you that the apartheid system should have ended.
Even though you would find a lot of people in South Africa referring to certain aspects of society having been better under the previous system, such as service delivery, fewer crime levels and so forth, almost everyone agrees that we should have gone past that.
That system didn't work and we needed to move beyond that.
But it is the case.
What is very interesting, the ANC, the governing party in South Africa, has been committed to a violent revolution for some time.
And they were involved with setting up paramilitary movements back in the 1980s and so forth in an organization called Mkantui Siswe, which was the military wing of the ANC.
And a little-known fact is that this military movement, the military wing of the ANC, that had an explicit policy of targeting farmers in the 1980s and 70s, the legislation that declared them an illegal organization was repealed in 1990.
And they came back because they were in exile all over Africa.
They came back to South Africa in 1990, and that's when the farm murders started.
You can trace it back to when did these attacks start, and it started in 1990.
And so, yes, the system should have ended, the previous system, but we have this bizarre false dichotomy in South Africa that you can either choose between one of two options.
You can either have apartheid.
Or you can have what we have in South Africa at the moment because people apparently don't have the political imagination to think of anything other than these two.
And the truth of the matter is we should have had a more decentralized system from the 1990s, but we didn't get that.
Man, it is very interesting to see the difference between how colonization ended up in South Africa versus, say, New Zealand, the United States.
My view largely right now is the system of segregation that you guys had, there was already racial tension and racial animosity.
It's not gone anywhere.
But I view it largely as an emotional reaction.
The system was bad.
But having a large population of individuals with a high crime rate, low education rates, immediately just, you know, immediately ending apartheid.
Resulted in now what we're seeing as higher crime rates.
It's persistent.
So it doesn't appear to have been an actual solution to the problem, which is now resulting in white Afrikaners applying for refugee status in the United States.
Now, one of the things we've heard on CNN, a former Obama-Harris staffer, she is a black woman, and she said that these white Afrikaners should just go back to Germany or Holland.
And it's a bit ironic considering, you know, I think it's a dangerous, logical position she'd be taking considering many white men.
nationalists in the United States would tell her as a black woman to go back to Africa.
What do you think about that argument that the Boers, you know, just decolonize, go back home?
Well, firstly, that just smacks of ethnic cleansing.
This idea that the solution to this territory is to get rid of A certain section of society.
Just get out of here.
And so the term genocide has been used a few times with regard to South Africa.
I don't think that that's the appropriate term to describe what is happening.
And we should be cautious of using a very particular legal terminology that could get you entangled in a legal debate about what is the application of the definition and so forth.
But I do think that we should...
Without necessarily saying that what is happening in South Africa is ethnic cleansing, it certainly is a threat to ethnic cleansing.
And what I mean, and the difference, of course, genocide is just killing people and just murdering them in large numbers.
Ethnic cleansing is a bit broader.
It's killing people, but it's also targeting them through legislation.
It's saying things like go back to Europe, go back to Holland, or go back to...
To the Netherlands, even though we've been here for centuries.
We've been in Africa since before the Enlightenment.
And now suddenly the solution is just to cleanse the country of our existence or of our presence.
It's a really, really dangerous thing to say.
And now if you consider things like calling on people to leave.
Pushing them out through racial discriminatory laws, murdering them, chanting songs about murdering them, publicly saying that they should have fewer rights.
It becomes increasingly difficult to see how this is not ethnic cleansing.
And it should be called out and we should take a stance against this.
And our friends abroad in America and in Europe and in other countries should be much more outspoken against what is currently happening in South Africa.
Other African nations, which I'm sure you're familiar with, where white farmers were chased out of the country, and it resulted in, let's just say, a short supply of food and then a celebration upon their return.
Is there a concern for South Africa that if these farmers keep getting killed and attacked this way, food production could be at risk?
So I grew up in the north of South Africa, in what is now called the Lompopo province, in an agricultural community, very close to Zimbabwe.
And as a child, that's the reason actually why I'm speaking with you right now.
I became an activist because I grew up seeing the farm attacks happening around me as a child and seeing on the news what's happening just a few hundred kilometers away.
Across the border in Zimbabwe.
And just on my wall here, I have a framed $100 trillion note.
It's a Zimbabwean dollar from, I think, 2003.
And I believe it still is the world record of highest inflation ever.
Just how that country, and it's really a tragedy what happened in Zimbabwe or Rhodesia, as it was called before then.
Just how that country was completely destroyed.
By land reform, by the Zimbabwean government in a very aggressive way, targeting the property belonging to commercial farmers for racial reasons, chasing them out of the countries, doing the things that politicians in South Africa are threatening with at the moment.
Yes, we really do have some of the best farmers in the world.
The commercial farmers in South Africa are extremely productive, are very good at farming.
We export food.
We're a significant foundation to the economy.
Even though the economy is very large and agriculture is a small part of the economy, a significant section of the South African economy is dependent on agriculture or linked to agriculture.
And it's very sad and tragic and dangerous.
To see just the extent to which these commercial farmers are being targeted, are being villainized, politicians chanting about murdering them.
When they are murdered, the president pretends that it's not happening and so forth.
So yes, we are concerned about that.
I do think we're a bit better equipped than the people of Zimbabwe were in the sense that we have a much more...
Well-organized civil society in South Africa, which they didn't have in Zimbabwe.
And so I think we have well-organized communities who are armed, who are driving patrols in their own communities, who can defend themselves.
And I think I'm not so convinced that a Zimbabwe-type scenario would play out in South Africa, although that's possible.
I am concerned that we will just have continued deterioration over time up to the point where South Africa becomes a next Zimbabwe, but without having had the very significant crash that Zimbabwe had in the early 2000s.
So where I live, I live in what we call a security estate or a security complex.
It's very difficult to get in.
And a lot of people aren't able to do that.
And so it's common.
It's standard for houses to have big walls around them with electric fences on top of the walls.
And then some form of beams, an alarm system in the garden, the front lawn, so that if you walk in the garden, there's an alarm that is triggered that immediately connects to an armed response.
And then on top of that, having these...
Security gates at the front door and between rooms.
So you often find, especially in farms, like in every farm, you will see the security gates, for example, between the kitchen and the hallway that leads up to the sleeping areas where people sleep.
And then they would put on the electric fence at night, they would put on the alarm.
That activates when someone somehow passes the electric fence that is on top of a wall.
They would lock the front gate and then they would lock the gates inside the house.
You know, I had met a couple that was from South Africa about seven years ago.
And they were in South Korea and they told me, what they said was, crime's really not that bad.
People think it's really, really bad, but I've only been carjacked, I think, five times.
And, you know, as someone who grew up in Chicago on the south side where crime is pretty bad, I was like, I've never been carjacked and I'm from like a really bad neighborhood.
I wonder if, you know, the South Africans have just largely adapted to the expectation of crime.
It's very, very difficult to find someone in South Africa that wasn't.
The victim of some form of violent crime, like being mugged, being carjacked or something like that.
I personally, with my kids two years ago, my entire family was in an armed robbery in a restaurant.
It was my son's birthday.
We went out to have ice cream.
And as we got up to pay, there was armed robbers starting to shoot people in the restaurant.
Duck, dive below the tables next to a dead body.
And there are people who have had much worse experiences and there are people who have not had that bad experience in South Africa.
But it has become normalized.
We do have, you could say, islands of safety, like the security estates.
are certain neighborhoods that are quite safe, very comparable to European cities.
I live in Pretoria, the capital city.
I mean, I drive around every day.
But you do know that there are certain areas that you have to avoid, there are certain streets that you have to avoid, and you don't want to be driving around at night, especially in some areas where you would be almost guaranteed to be a victim of crime.
I mean, I've been involved in this for decades, but we're starting a new initiative now that we are calling the Pioneer Initiative.
It's sort of a preliminary organization that will take on a more final form in the coming days.
And I really want to encourage people watching this if they support the idea that South Africa needs systemic reform.
To support the pioneer initiative.
And so what we mean when we say systemic reform is the problems that we experience in South Africa today are not simply a result of the fact that the wrong...
It's because of underlying systemic problems with the political system that is detached from reality.
So we need a political system that is more realistic, that is more in tune with reality.
And the reality in South Africa is that it's a very diverse country with a variety of communities.
That see things differently in many ways.
It's not necessarily because one is right and one is wrong, but because of different cultures, different languages, traditions, and so forth.
And so what South Africa needs is a decentralized political system with higher levels of self-governance for the different communities living in South Africa, as opposed to this very strong centralized socialist government.
And that's what we're going to promote, what we are promoting with the Pioneer Initiative.
And if people want to support that, we would really welcome that.
I think there was four, so I'm definitely going to be looking into that.
I'll see if you guys have any quick Rumble rants we can get in before we can just send you all off to our friend Russell Brand, who is currently getting ready to go live.
And we got this.
I don't know, man.
You know, I was thinking about what's going on in South Africa.
And, you know, as Ernst is speaking, I don't care which group of people is being targeted and killed based on their race.
It's all bad.
If, you know, we're looking at what's going, like Boko Haram, for instance.
We all generally find it bad that there's a group of people that is killing even black children.
It's not a race thing.
But to the left it is.
To the left it is.
And that makes it a challenge for all of us when we want a working solution for South Africa.
They don't care if they're black or white or whatever.
But the problem is you have deep racial animosity.
It's not going anywhere.
How do we solve for that?
The media is going to claim that nothing bad is happening to white people.
White people are oppressors.
They're going to claim that white people have everything, despite the fact that most poor people in the United States are white.
Because to them, white is rich.
A white homeless man has more power than Oprah Winfrey.
It makes no sense.
Me, I just want people to be able to live their lives.
Don't commit crimes against other people.
Do the right thing.
Have a family.
Enjoy some wings and a nice slice of pizza while watching the game.
Be it an Asian person, a black, a Mexican, Latino, whatever.
Now, I don't know how we solve for it, my friends, but I have long heard about the stories of South Africa, so I hope for them the best, and it is sounding pretty sad.
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