The Culture War - Tim Pool - Finish This Fight Movie, EXPOSING Government & DOJ Corruption

Dec. 27, 2024 - The Culture War - Tim Pool

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Finish This Fight Movie, EXPOSING Government & DOJ Corruption

Phil Labonte hosts Glenn Baker, Travis Conver, & Nate Cain to discuss government corruption & how the DOJ targets American veterans. Host: Phil Labonte @PhilThatRemains (X) Guest: Glenn Baker Travis Conver Nate Cain https://finishthisfight.us/ Producers: Lisa Elizabeth @LisaElizabeth (X) Kellen Leeson @KellenPDL (X)

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		I am your host today, Phil Labonte.
		Today we're going to be talking about veterans dissatisfied with the federal government.
		This is not a new story or something that we haven't covered here at TimCast, but today we have three guests, two of whom have a unique perspective on this topic.
		So why don't we go ahead and get started?
		Glenn, why don't you introduce yourself?
		Phil, my name is Glenn Baker.
		I sing a little country music, and I'm one of those dissatisfied veterans that you're talking about.
		Life is not what I thought it would be.
		Doesn't seem to be the country that I fought for.
		And I'm finding out from going across the country that there's a lot of people that feel the same way.
		Appreciate you having me.
		Cheers.
		Nate?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		I'm Nate Kane, and I am also a U.S. Army veteran.
		I went through quite a bit of an experience of seeing what happens when our government doesn't do the right thing, and then when they go against those that try to do the right thing.
		We'll be talking about some of that today.
		It's going to be an interesting story.
unidentified		Travis, why don't you introduce yourself?
		Yeah, I'm not a veteran, but I am very dissatisfied.
		I think there's obviously a lot of things that have gone on recently that have opened a lot of people's eyes and a ton of dissatisfaction.
		I do have family members that...
		Are and have been active military, and I have a lot of friends, obviously.
		And that list is growing rapidly with how many people Glenn's introduced me to, of just people in general, but more specifically veterans that are very dissatisfied.
		But thanks for having me on the show, man.
		You're welcome.
		We've got Kellen here pushing the buttons today.
		Kellen's like, I'm not even jumping in yet.
		What's up, guys?
		So I think that it's...
		Part of the zeitgeist today is the federal government has put itself into a position where criticism falls very easily on it.
		And I don't think there's a lot of people that have a lot of incentive to defend the federal government unless they're actually in the government.
		So, Glenn, why don't you go ahead and lay out the things that you've done for the Finish the Fight movie, the initiative that you got started?
		Well, I can go back a little bit.
		I'm a Desert Storm veteran, so 30...
		Five years ago?
		Is that right?
		1990?
		Yeah, almost 35 years ago.
		I was told there'd be no math today.
		You were lied to.
		You were lied to.
		Well, and I had to do that in my head, and I've still got a morning thing going on in my head.
		So 34 years ago, I was called up when my son was four months old.
		I was at my fourth wedding anniversary when I got the call.
		And went and fought.
		You know, we just did what we were told to do.
		As an army guy, the one that raised my hand and swore to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States, that's what we did.
		And we went and did our job.
		And I was one of these guys for the longest time that thought, okay, I'm a soldier.
		I'm a veteran.
		My country loves me and cares about me.
		And, oh my gosh, only one time in my life have I been that wrong before, and that's when it came to the pandemic.
		So I found out that this is not the country that I fought for in 2017. And we can go into that here in a little bit if you'd like to.
		Here's where the mistake, the biggest mistake I think the government officials are making.
		We fought for this country.
		And I would fight for this country again.
		I would never put on a uniform for the government though.
		And the government forgets.
		There was a time, 35 years ago now for me, 36, where I raised my hand.
		And I swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
		And what you're talking about right now is a government that is not even hiding.
		It's evil, if you will.
		It's bias.
		It's lust for power.
		Lust for money.
		It's all out in the open.
		And it just blows my mind.
		They're not even secret about it anymore.
		If you can open your eyes, you see it every day.
		So we're here to expose some of that.
		Yeah.
		I do think that we were talking a little bit earlier.
		The government, the federal government at least, had long ago exceeded its constitutional authority.
		I think that whether you're talking about all of the regulation that happens inside the United States, the authority that Congress has abdicated to the president to make war, to engage in I'm
		not personally all that...
		I'm not personally all that convinced that they're actually legal because things that are offensive to the Constitution are invalid.
		Nate, why don't you go ahead and take it from here a little bit about your experience.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		So one of the things that recently was adjudicated by the Supreme Court, which I think was a very, very important ruling, is the one on Chevron deference.
unidentified		Absolutely.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		It is completely...
		You know, upended this notion that these federal agencies get to regulate and create law.
		They're not the legislators.
		But that's what's been going on and that is a huge part of the problem.
		Now, Congress is not without their own issues because they have the power of the purse and yet they have not used it to stop a lot of this.
		You know, we've got, in fact, one of the things I was very disappointed with, you know, in this current Congress was when they basically decided to continue to fund Section 702 of FISA, which has allowed for in this current Congress was when they basically decided to continue to fund Section 702 And I don't care what anybody says.
		This is not Nate Cain saying.
		This is federal judges saying this.
		There was a federal ruling where they said that over 458,000 times Section 702 was illegally used to spy on American citizens.
		Now, that's pretty crazy and pretty bold because I was read on to that program at one point in time in my career.
		And I remember being concerned and going, wow, this is some pretty heavy-duty surveillance stuff.
		capabilities.
		And I remember thinking, you know, what if they abuse it?
		But I would never have thought of abusing it because they made it very clear to us that if we did, we were looking at 10 years in prison because of deprivation of rights under color of law.
		And yet, what have we seen?
		We've seen not a single person at the FBI go to jail for misusing the system.
		We've not seen any accountability whatsoever.
		And it's been used, like I said, and it's been used against people on the right and people on the left.
		That's something I think that's really important because there should be, you know, a broad scope of Americans that are, you know, being, hey, what's going on here?
unidentified		Isn't that traced clear back to the Patriot Act, though?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		It is.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is.
unidentified		I remember when that act was passed, and I was just dumb enough to believe my country loved me.
		I'm like, okay, so yeah, okay, they need to do this to be able to find terrorism.
		That was such a load of junk.
		It was actually the way that they could take advantage of something I believe they caused.
		But we were told it wasn't.
		It was an act of terror in order to spy on us.
		Even if we were to go and steelman the government's argument, right, that the Patriot Act initially was intended to catch terrorists in the U.S., I don't think that there's any argument that it has greatly exceeded those constraints.
		So if you want to – not that we're particularly concerned with steelmanning the federal government's arguments, especially on a day like today when we're covering these kind of topics – But if you do want to say, okay, well, let's hope the government has the best interest of the American people.
		And 20 years ago or 25 years ago when the Patriot Act was passed, it was more reasonable to think that.
		Now, today, it's very clear to most, maybe not most Americans, but to a plurality of Americans that the federal government doesn't do things that it's particularly concerned with, that are particularly concerned with protecting the rights of the American people, or at least the bureaucracies that are particularly concerned with protecting the rights of the American people, So you're effigy.
		your FBI, your NSA, your bureaucracies that are charged under Homeland Security with protecting the American people and protecting the country.
		They're not so concerned with the rights of the Americans.
		But if you're going to steel man it and say, well, you know, they intended to do the right thing, there's not much of an argument that it's exceeded the limitations that the arguments they initially made.
		Yeah.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		I think we're living in a world now where we are seeing an example of that law of unintended consequences.
		You know, they pass these rules, they pass these laws, some act or whatever, and they don't think, they think, oh, we're going to use it for good, but they don't think about, you know, they don't do proper risk management on these laws, right?
		They don't go, okay, how could this be abused?
		And they really should, on any law that's created, they should absolutely consider If the wrong person or the wrong administration got a hold of this, how could they misuse it against the American people?
		One of the things that changed in the world since 9-11 is we now have a politicized Department of Justice.
		That wasn't that way back then.
		And it is now.
		I mean, I can tell you firsthand, I was working there, and I absolutely saw at the FBI a very politicized, a very woke environment.
unidentified		If we can get Travis to jump in here, how did you get involved with Glennon and Nate, and to what extent is your...
		Filmmaker status.
		What was the outcome you were looking for to start telling this story?
		Yeah, that's a great question.
		Man, I just love making movies.
		But...
		What ended up happening was through a mutual friend who was just a friend for a few days.
		Glenn knew her for one or two days.
		I knew her for three or four days at the time, which is the funny part.
		I go to this church in Georgia and Shannon Weimer was someone who was interested in investing in a project that I'm working on.
		And she was like, hey...
		You know, this is really great.
		I think timing for me is bad, but let's keep in touch.
		I think I can connect you with some people.
		And then literally the next day or two, she meets Glenn.
		And Glenn's like, I have a filmmaker that I want to make a music video.
		And...
		I just don't think it's the right move right now.
		So she goes, I know a guy.
		So I don't know how you got connected with Shannon, but it was just a day or two after I had talked to her about a project and all the stuff that I'm working on, and I'm working on some really crazy things right now in the film industry that I think are really going to revolutionize things, wildly revolutionize the film industry.
		Yeah, that was just an outside friend of a friend that she had.
		So it's that circle of influence.
		It's a matter of networking, which is something that I do well.
		And so a friend of a friend introduced me to her, and she introduced me to you.
		And two weeks later, we're filming a music video.
		Yeah, I mean, we talked.
		I wasn't...
		I'm really interested in making a music video because I'm more of a feature film.
		You know, I would do episodic, but more of a feature film is kind of where my heart is.
		But he's one of those rare cases where Glenn tells a story in his music.
		So I was like, okay, I actually want to do this project.
		Let's do it.
		So we had a great conversation.
		We dove into it.
		And to answer your question, which is, what did I want out of it?
		Nothing, really.
		I mean, initially, it was just like, I believe in this guy.
		I think he's an undiscovered talent that needs to be discovered.
		His music is meaningful.
		It's great.
		He's got a solid band.
		But then, after the music video, he goes, I think there's more here.
		And I was like, alright, what are you aiming at?
		And he goes, I think there's a movie here.
		I'm like, okay, now you're speaking my language.
		The music video turned out to be kind of a short movie.
		I don't know if you guys have seen it, but it's cool.
		It's about a guy who goes to war and signs on the dotted line and then meets a battle buddy and they go to battle together and the battle buddy ends up dying and it's about...
		You know, coming home and dealing with that, right?
		How do you heal physically, emotionally, mentally, all that stuff.
		So it's just a very touching song, and I love the story.
		So when we started making the movie, I'm like, all right, what's the premise?
		He goes, I don't know.
		I'm like, uh, well, if we're going to make a...
		Hour and 50 minute long feature film.
		We've got to kind of know what it's about.
		No script.
		Just wing it.
		Let's go.
		Yeah, yeah.
		That's kind of what happened at the beginning.
		Let's gladiator this thing where you come in with a few ideas and then we just make a whole film out of it, which is really what ended up happening.
		And I think I recut the first half hour six times.
		And y'all, we made this in 90 days.
	Documentaries can take 10, 15 years.
	And some, of course, take 12 to 18 months.
	We did this in 90 days, which might be a record.
	I don't know.
	But it went from zero to 100 very, very quickly.
	And I didn't have the expectation of getting anything out of it, and I still don't know if I will or have, but...
	I agree with the vast majority of things in the film.
	I think it's a powerful message that needs to be heard.
	And I think I'm just proud and glad that I was a part of it, I think, more than anything.
	Well, I think once I told you my story and we really had time to get to know each other, it just developed around that.
	Yeah.
	My story is, I thought, was pretty unique.
	And as we went out and meeting people across the country, I'm finding out it's not quite as unique as I thought it was.
	So I met Nate Kane.
	I was actually interviewed on Nate's show about my music video, and after the end of the interview, he and I was talking, and he told me his story, and I'm like, oh.
	I thought I'd been jacked over.
	This dude had been jacked over and tried to be murdered twice.
	And I need your story in my movie.
	And so I asked him if he'd be willing to take part in it.
	And he said, absolutely, he did.
	And so it's evolved from there.
	Finished this fight.
	Diary of a pissed-off American soldier.
	And I'm finding out that it's more than me.
	There's a lot of pissed-off American soldiers.
	There's a lot of them.
	In the movie.
	Yeah.
	Even just in the movie, but of course across the country and across the world, there's a lot of pissed off people.
	How many stories do you guys cover in the movie?
	Primarily the first 25 minutes is what happened to me.
	We've built a foundation about the pissed off American soldier.
	And I can tell you that in a very abbreviated version.
	In 2017...
	I got a knock on my door in July, 4.30 in the afternoon.
	Was getting ready to go out and work.
	I had a life insurance agency at the time.
	Was getting ready to go out and meet some clients.
	Had nothing on but a pair of shorts and flip flops.
	Answered the door and there's 10 cops on a SWAT team.
	And I'm like, that's exactly what I did.
	I'm, okay, what's this?
	How can I help you guys?
	They said, well, we had a domestic disturbance call at this address and it made me chuckle because I live alone.
	And I told him that.
	I live alone.
	How is that possible?
	He said, that happens all the time.
	Okay, I've always wondered this.
	Did they have body cams on?
	Because that was a complete and utter lie.
	Dude, I don't know.
	I never have been in trouble, so I wasn't looking for what should have been obvious.
	I'm just like, what the crap's going on here?
	But who comes with 10 cops and a SWAT team?
	Yeah.
	To a domestic disturbance call when...
	It's a lie.
	The whole thing was a farce.
	I actually asked them, where's the camera?
	When I'm being handcuffed, where's the camera?
	He said, what are you talking about?
	I said, this is absolutely nuts.
	Who's hiding filming this thing?
	Have you found out who made the call?
	There was no call.
	There was no domestic disturbance.
	That's the crazy thing, is they show up and say there's a domestic disturbance call, and there's no call.
	They just wanted a reason to knock on the door and say, oh, it's no big deal.
	Come on out here.
	And then you know when you step out your door, they got you.
	Yeah.
	So they just wanted an excuse to knock on his door and have him feel like, oh, it's not a big deal.
	And then, of course, you know, finish your story, but come to find out the whole thing is ridiculous.
	Yeah.
	So I step out the door and I'm thrown against the wall and handcuffed and taken to Fort Lauderdale, Broward County Jail, spent 23 days in Broward County, didn't have an attorney the whole time.
	What were you charged with?
	They wouldn't even tell me at the beginning.
	They didn't know.
	It was an out-of-state warrant.
	The charge was titled Receiving Property Under a False Pretense.
	But nobody could tell me what that meant.
	I didn't see an attorney for 23 days.
	I was then transferred to North Carolina where I found out at that point when I saw an attorney finally that it was an embezzlement charge and I'd never embezzled anything from anybody.
	The attorney finally got me some discovery a couple days later and I found a sheet of paper, a handwritten Um, receipt in my former partner's, my former business partner's handwriting with his address, home address on it, that he had taken $22,000 from a client that I'd given him when I exited that company in 2014. So he had embezzled from a client that I'd given him when I left the company three years prior to me being arrested.
	I didn't even know what had happened.
	And I'm thinking, okay, I'll be out of here in no time.
	51 more days.
	I spent 73 days in two different jail cells before I got myself out.
	And basically, I got myself out.
	I threatened my attorney.
	Was there no chance to post bail or anything?
	$25,000 cash bond.
	And remember this, the first 23 days, no attorney.
	They wouldn't let me access a cell phone even.
	I didn't have any telephone numbers memorized.
	Nobody knew where I was at.
	My kids thought I'd died.
	I disappeared.
	It was gone from the face of the earth.
	For weeks, right?
	Yeah.
	Before you made a phone call.
	Three weeks plus.
	That is just...
	Yeah, three weeks plus.
	I've heard the story like, you know, 250,000 times because I edited the movie, for goodness sake.
	And we filmed the story.
	You've got to see the movie if you haven't already.
	But he tells the story and we tell it in more detail.
	And we kind of did it in a funny way.
	You ever see Drunk History?
	Yeah.
	So we kind of did that.
	So I wanted it to be palpable for people.
	Because when you're listening to it, you're like, there's no freaking way.
	There's no way he didn't get an attorney for three weeks.
	There's no way he wasn't able to make a phone call for three weeks.
	They would not even give him his cell phone to get phone numbers so he could make a phone call.
	Oh, check this out.
	Finally, on the eighth day, I saw a judge.
	The first eighth day.
	And told him that I hadn't got to use my cell phone, and they were requiring a court order.
	He's like, I have never written a court order for a cell phone.
	I'm not going to do it.
	And he made his mind up.
	And after that, the bailiff came over to me from the side.
	He heard the story.
	He's like, listen, let me go talk to him.
	So this big, burly bailiff goes behind the podium there and convinces the judge to write a court order that demands them to access my phone for telephone numbers.
	So the next day, I hand it to the jailer, the court order.
	They come back that afternoon.
	I'm like, well, where's the phone?
	He's like, you're not going to get it.
	The phone died and we're just not going to charge it.
	That's our justice system, boys and girls.
	So they made the judge write a court order and then they didn't honor it.
	I still have the court order to this day and that was on that paper that I showed you that I'd written in my diary.
	And what's wild about that is you didn't do it.
	So they're treating this guy like garbage because they think that he's a piece of garbage.
	And then it turns out, no, he's just a normal guy who served our country and got ramrodded.
	Even still, like an embezzlement charge.
	Do you think that they were lying about the embezzlement charge?
	And if so, what do you think the reason for them coming to pick you up was?
	I honestly don't know the reason.
	Now, my former partner was a retired pastor, 49 years in the pulpit, 25 years on TV. We're good to
	go.
	His son-in-law is a state representative in North Carolina.
	And he, I had found out when I'd been in business for a year or so, that people either loved him or they hated him.
	And the guy turned out to be a shyster behind a pulpit.
	And so they came to him and they interviewed him from the client that made the complaint.
	This guy convinced this client that I took the money and left the state.
	This happened seven months after I'd already been gone.
	But he was good at what he did.
	Why did they do that?
	First of all, the embezzlement charge, because there was a contract between me and a client for a down payment, should have never been anything more than civil.
	There was no criminal case there at all.
	Second, they had zero evidence that I was involved or even knew that it happened.
	While I'm there, I'm signing documents.
	They're looking through my bank records.
	They're looking through everything.
	There's nothing that shows I took that money because it didn't happen.
	73 days.
	The week before I got out, I caught an infection in that jail, and they didn't treat it for six days.
	And I'm assuming I can say this, it went into my right testicle.
	I woke up one morning, had one that was the size of an orange, and no treatment, no treatment, no treatment, no treatment.
	Finally, on the sixth day after I caught that infection, it went into my right ear, and the nurse finally saw me, gave me an antibiotic, said, you'll get another one tomorrow.
	And that day, my attorney came to me and said, listen, Glenn, you're going to be here for a while, probably another year and a half.
	In a jail with no charges filed or with no...
	The charge had been filed.
	I'd never gone in front of the judge except to read the charge.
	There had been no hearing, nothing.
	But he said, you're going to be here another year and a half.
	They have no evidence against you.
	We've gone through everything.
	They're not ready to let you go.
	In about six months, more than likely at that time, they'll offer a plea.
	If you plead not guilty, you'll be here another year waiting on a trial at least.
	Or if you can gather up 25 grand, we'll let you go.
	There's not a bond.
	You're out of state.
	You're a flight risk.
	It's $25,000 cash.
	You were living in Florida, right?
	Yeah, but this was in North Carolina.
	They had extradited me to North Carolina.
	How long did the extradition take?
	23 days from Broward County, and then I was in North Carolina.
	I was in the back of a van for two days, handcuffed and shackled in the feet, sitting in the back of a van to go to another jail.
	So for 48 hours you were in a van.
	Well, we stopped in Valdosa, Georgia.
	Okay.
	And spent the night in another jail that looked like a gulag.
	Well, it's not that long of a drive.
	Why did it take two days?
	Because they were picking other people up to deliver.
	Oh, gosh.
	You're just a product at that point.
	That must have been so much fun.
	You know what was fun, though?
	There was a funny story, and I don't think I ever told you this.
	So I didn't have any telephone numbers.
	They still hadn't accessed my cell phone.
	So this jailer, these two jailers, a man and a woman, black man and black woman, probably mid to late 20s, early 30s.
	And we're driving, and I just do what Glenn does, and I'm talking to him, and I make friends.
	And I finally convinced the woman, I said, listen, they have not let me access my cell phone.
	I've got no numbers.
	I see you're on your Facebook, on your phone.
	Could I ask you to do me a favor?
	She's like, what?
	I said, get on your messenger and send a message to Kenny Dietrich.
	Oh my God.
	He's in the documentary.
	He's in the documentary.
	I said, send a message to Kenny Dietrich.
	Now he's going to think you're a scam.
	So here's what I want you to say.
	Tell him that you've got Glenn Baker in the back of a van, shackled and handcuffed on the way to North Carolina.
	And he's going to say, nah, it's a scam.
	Tell him, Glenn told me to tell you.
	Do you remember the time when you told some customers to go find Glenn standing underneath a Dodge Neon?
	And she did it.
	And I'm the only one who could have ever came up with that.
	He used to make fun of my height all the time.
	And he told some clients, go find Glenn on the other side of this car lot, standing underneath the Dodge Neon.
	That's how you'll know he's there.
	And so she told him that.
	And all of a sudden, I got my first telephone number through a jailer so that I could call somebody when I got to that other jail.
	But it's one of these stories that's like, I never would have believed it.
	I never would have believed that that happens in the United States.
	Man, I'm a middle-aged businessman, never been in trouble, and lost my freedom without any evidence that I'd done anything wrong.
	Only an accusation.
	And that's today's America.
	And quite frankly, Phil, that's what it took for me to be woken up out of the matrix.
	Because up to that point, I thought my government loved me, had my best interest at heart, wouldn't hurt me.
	I had no idea.
	So you were talking to one of the jailers that was on their cell phone in the van with you?
	In the van.
	So you never told me that part of the story.
	That is some...
	Well, maybe not Nate Kane, James Bond level, but that's pretty slick, man.
	That's slick, baby.
	I like that.
	And that's how I got the first number.
	That's slick, bro.
	That's how I got the first number.
	And then Kenny called and got my sister's number.
	So that's how I got numbers.
	You never told me that.
	I never got them from my phone.
	That's such a good part of the story.
	I know.
	I don't know how I can think of it.
	That's like TimCast exclusive.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		That gives whole new context to the joke in the movie about you standing under the Dodge Neon.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		So now I know.
unidentified		That's true.
		You gotta see the movie, y'all.
		Go finishthisfight.us.
		Buy the movie.
		Watch Kenny Dietrich.
		That part alone is worth $11.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		And I'm glad that you guys did the movie the way you did, because otherwise I would have left the movie completely pissed off and unsatisfied.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of comedy that spread throughout the movie, and it's good.
unidentified		Good.
		I don't know if I answered your question or not, but that's...
		I don't remember the question because you can talk for an hour about it.
		I'm trying to piece together the story.
		I'm looking for what the actual...
		You know, you said that there was the accusation from someone else that was probably because of your former business partner.
		And I'm wondering, I'm trying to figure out if there was a pretense that you were arrested under or if there was something that they were actually interested in that was beyond what you were told.
		I wish it was that interesting.
		I wish I had some kind of crazy knowledge that somebody was trying to get to.
		At the end of the day, what I think happened is this Pastor embezzled money from these people and convinced them that I had done it because I was out of the state already.
		He was just trying to get out from being in trouble.
		I guess what I'm looking for is some reason for both the Broward County and the North Carolina Justice Departments to behave in the way that they did.
		Because if a story says – if you're dealing with someone that has a negative interaction with the police – If there's one jurisdiction that is doing something that is wrong or is somehow behaving outside the law, that's understandable.
		For two different jurisdictions to be in cohorts together against a guy that didn't do anything?
		Yeah, I mean, that's what, and usually I would imagine there would be a story that would be told, one would be, you know, kind of unaware of the motivation of the one that's actually looking to prosecute, right?
		So it was North Carolina that really wanted to get their hands on you.
		And I imagine Broward County would be unaware or uninterested in what it is that North Carolina was after.
		And so for them to show up with a SWAT team at your house on a domestic and then wrap you up when there was clearly no one else inside the house.
		You live alone.
		There's no one there.
		If someone calls in a domestic to...
		I'm wondering if there was something else that was going on or how it was that you could get both of these two separate jurisdictions to behave in such nefarious ways.
		I wish I knew the answer to that.
		What I think I've seen is that stuff like this happens way more than we realize.
		That it's par for the course.
		That's exactly what I was going to say.
		I think this is happening every day.
		And not everybody can make a movie about it.
		I think that's just the crazy thing is that he's just one of a million people that are telling the story.
		I think this is happening all the time.
		And look...
		Uh-huh.
		Like a basic right and and I'm not I have never gone through it so So don't quote me on yeah So yeah they go through a training and Then they're like go out into the And depending on where you are, it could be a lot less wild.
		There could be a lot more wild.
		But you get jaded really quick.
		And they don't get enough training.
		I think we need to...
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		They certainly don't get enough training on the Constitution.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I would say that...
unidentified		A lot of times they don't know the law.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		I'd say they don't.
		And they don't know...
		I think a lot of them don't know the authority that the Constitution has over all every other law.
		And so we see this problem in the military, too.
		We see this problem in the military.
		We see it in anywhere where you have lines of authority, right?
		It's in the FBI.
		It's in the, you know, the local police, the sheriff's departments, everywhere, which is that people get used to obeying orders.
unidentified		Yeah.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		And they just go ahead and do it.
		In fact, there's been, there have been, um, studies that have been done on this, uh, after World War II.
		There's a famous one.
		I can't remember the name of it, but, uh, where they had a bunch of, of, uh, students at the university.
		There were two kind of famous tests, and I remember learning this in my psychology class.
		But one of them was really interesting.
		They got a bunch of students to pretend.
		They were hooked up to electrodes.
		And you remember the story, right?
		And they had the teachers turn the volume up on the electricity.
		And, of course, the kids were all acting and everything.
		But there was a mark on there that said, don't go beyond.
		And when they were told to go beyond it, they did.
unidentified		They did.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		80%.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		100% of them.
unidentified		Just so long as authority said it was okay.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		The authority figure said, no, it's okay for you to do this.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		And afterwards, these teachers had PTSD. Yeah.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Because they couldn't understand why they did that either.
unidentified		Yeah.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		And of course, the kids were screaming and passing out and all, you know, totally going.
unidentified		I love that.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		But it showed a very, very important thing.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		They were trying to understand how Nazi guards...
unidentified		I believe they stopped.
		I think that with this experiment, they said they couldn't do it anymore after that happened.
		I'm not positive.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		It was absolutely never allowed again because it did harm psychologically to these teachers.
		So it's kind of crazy.
		But the other one...
		was similar was they had two sets of groups of students that are from the same class, and one of them were the jailers and the other one were the prisoners and they were locked in for a period of time.
		And they found certain behaviors that developed in this environment.
		And so I think there's a real threat of that.
		Anytime you have authority, And so that's why I think it's important for anybody who's in a position of authority, number one, there needs to be consequences if they abuse that authority, and it should be very severe, so that it puts a check on them so they think, oh, I don't want to...
		I don't want to overstep and violate this person's rights.
		And the problem is that in the case of what happened to Glenn, absolutely the FBI should have investigated that for deprivation of rights under color of law.
		And in some cases of where there's video or there's – it becomes a national spectacle or something, they will get involved.
		But what about the FBI when they do it?
		Nobody goes after them.
unidentified		Has there been...
		Your lawyer wasn't interested in suing, or you don't have a lawyer that's interested in suing...
		Brother, my lawyer wasn't.
		He was flawed.
		Well, yeah, but...
		So, I mean, fair enough, but you haven't...
		You've got a movie out.
		Have you been in contact with any other lawyers interested in suing Broward County or suing North Carolina?
		I mean, I imagine with this story, there's got to be plenty of evidence, and this seems like there's all kinds of room to at least attempt...
		To get some kind of compensation for the illegal actions of what amounts to small town abuse of power.
		Oh, it absolutely is.
		I was in a position when I got home.
		I'd lost everything.
		I'd lost my home, lost my car.
		It was repoed while I was gone.
		Eighty percent of my life insurance agency was gone because of a financial accusation.
		And the night after I got home, that infection that I told you about went into my right eye and destroyed my cornea.
		So I'm blind in my right eye for a year.
		For a year, I didn't care whether I lived or died.
		Now, I'm telling you, I wasn't suicidal.
		I was just defeated.
		I was defeated.
		I looked in a few and talked with a few attorneys about it.
		I didn't really want to raise a bunch of cane until it was dismissed.
		And it took them three years to raising cane.
		There he is right there.
		It took them three years before they dismissed the charge with prejudice.
		They had nothing anyway.
		Okay, so they dismissed it with prejudice then.
		All right.
		That means nothing can be brought, if you don't know, if it's dismissed with prejudice, that means that they can't bring the charges anymore, or this is all just a garbage prosecution.
		Yeah, it's gone.
		But the attorneys that I did speak to told me, the North Carolina attorneys especially, that the way their system is set up and the laws are set up in North Carolina, if you get out of jail alive, you really have no recourse.
		They've done their job.
		There's nothing they can do.
		Well, yeah, for a defense attorney, but you don't have the ability to...
		Well, I was talking to people who could sue them.
		I just went crazy brain dead on that term.
		But yeah, to people that could sue them and were used to suing the government and nobody would pick it up.
		But on their behalf, I was defeated and I didn't try real hard.
		I just spent time healing.
		And I do think from the release of this movie, and it has nothing to do with why we've done it, but somebody's going to see this and say, you know what?
		I think I can help.
		Yeah.
		I mean, hopefully someone watching will know someone or something like that.
		Because the story that you outlined, it does seem like that kind of abuse of power is ripe for a lawsuit.
		And this is the United States where there is no shortage of lawyers.
		There are plenty of lawyers in the U.S. More too many.
		I would imagine there'd be someone motivated to, especially considering what seems like such an open and shut case.
		Well, you would think so.
		Broward County is completely corrupt anyway.
		But think about this.
		Being held for 23 days not knowing why you were being held, not allowed to see an attorney, don't see a judge for eight days when the judge does give you the court.
		So you couldn't see an attorney for almost three weeks, huh?
		You never had the option of seeing an attorney.
		I had nobody to call.
		Had nobody to call.
		Had no money.
		Couldn't get a hold of an attorney on my own.
		And then when the judge gave the court order, they wouldn't access my cell phone, so I couldn't get it that way.
		And then they didn't give me an attorney.
		See, by law, you get an attorney when you're arrested.
		I mean, it's just the law.
		And they said, that's not our deal.
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	State warrant.
	Yeah, and they never Mirandized him.
	Never Mirandized.
	He never was, you know, right to remain silent, right to be an attorney.
	Did you have to wait until you see a lawyer once you got to North Carolina?
	No, that happened.
	Well, I got in in the evening and it happened the next day.
	Okay.
	So...
	So to extradite you from Florida to North Carolina, you had no representation for that process at all?
	Now, the eighth day when I did see that judge, he told me, you have the right to file a plea against the—or not to file a plea—to not agree with the extradition.
	Fight the extradition, yeah.
	Yeah, but you're going to be here a minimum of 45 days, and it may be longer than that.
	Or, if you agree to extradition, you could still be here for 30 days.
	But then they'll extradite you and you can find out what's going on.
	And I said, I don't want to be here no matter what, but I want to get to the bottom of this.
	I have done nothing wrong.
	And so I agreed to extradition.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		You know, I want to say something on the, you were asking about, like, why haven't you gotten an attorney to go after him and all of that?
		Even after what I went through?
		It's like the last thing you want to do is have to live through that all over again.
		And there is a...
		I know this happens with, for example, women who get raped or sexually assaulted, right?
		Oftentimes they don't even want to report it or deal with it because they don't want to talk about it.
		It's traumatic.
		It's traumatizing.
		And I know that that happens.
		And to be honest with you, the process of getting an attorney when you have been wronged Especially to go after the government, you'd be surprised at how many attorneys are just not interested.
		It takes certain types of attorneys, and usually they want money up front.
		And so, you know, and when you're already financially, you know, you've just been basically screwed and you got no money now.
		It's really hard to find an attorney that's going to take that on, you know, without some money up front.
		And that is a big problem in our justice system, without a doubt.
unidentified		What would even be the advantage to the lawyer to take on a case like that?
		I mean, obviously, you would win money for the case, and obviously, you know, lawyers at that point, they work for 30 to 40%.
		But their career could be...
		You know, stained if they're going around suing municipalities.
		It seems like it would be a problem for a lawyer.
		So I don't even know if they would want to take on that case.
		I never found one.
		Never found one.
		And if it happens, it happens.
		If it doesn't, it doesn't.
		Here's the great news, Phil.
		God has restored me.
		I've got more now than I had when I lost it.
		I've got a great career.
		I get to go all over the country and sing, and now I get to go around the country and talk about what we're doing here.
		So I'm not on a vendetta.
		I truthfully am pro-cop and pro-law and order.
		The challenge with the law and what you were talking about a while ago in the Constitution, the Constitution is very simple.
		We've added amendment after amendment after amendment, but it's very simple.
		The legal system is not.
		If you were to stack laws on a piece of paper up in a pile, how high would that pile be?
		Law after law after law after law.
		Nobody knows what the law really is.
		And it's done that way by design.
		I mean, that's the way they graphed things.
		That's the way the money's graphed.
		That's the way the laundering takes place.
		That's the way the power is kept.
		Keep them confused and they'll never know what they're doing.
		Same way with tax code.
		Tax code is incredibly ridiculous.
		We are in a system of government that our founding fathers did not design.
		It's not even really a good facsimile of it anymore.
		We have like an oasis.
		It's a vision of freedom, but it's nothing tangible.
		Our freedoms are very, very fragile right now.
		And I want to help spread that word to people, not to cause people to have fear, but for them to pay attention.
		That freedom isn't free, Phil, but it's also not cheap.
		It has always cost something.
		And I'm 57 years old.
		It was easy my whole life until this happened to me.
		Now it's not.
		Now I'm paying attention, and now I know that it's got to be a price paid in order for us to keep it for our kids and our grandkids, and I'm willing to pay that price.
		I could be sitting at home on my butt in the couch right now just saying, hey, somebody else will do this.
		But what I've done, and because God tapped me on the shoulder and said, Glenn, I want you to get involved, I put every dime I have into something that's going to wake people up across the country, but also give them hope.
		This is not a hopeless situation.
		This is still the dadgum United States of America, and we're tough.
		We just kind of need to be slapped a little bit and woken up.
		Nate, why don't you go ahead and lay out how you got involved with Glenn and got involved with the movie?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		So Glenn actually...
unidentified		Well, on your caps, ladies and gentlemen, because it's about to get crazy.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		So Glenn, I have my own podcast now, The Raising Cane Show, and so I had Glenn on the show to talk about his music video.
		And, you know, like he said, after the interview, and it was a really good interview, we talked and just were sharing our stories.
		And so I shared with him about what happened to me.
		And I think it was like maybe a day or two later, he calls me up and he goes, Hey, do you want to be in my documentary?
		He says, I think your story needs to be heard.
		And, um, and so I agreed.
		And, uh, and I, I think I, you guys probably would expected, you know, 10 minutes, 10 minutes or whatever, turned in like an hour, two hour, uh, interview.
		And of course, you know, they had to edit it and, and all of that, but it, but it, My story is one that I think a lot of people probably haven't heard.
		And a lot of that is because of what I was just talking about, is that after you go through a traumatic experience, kind of the last thing you want to do is extend it.
		You want to get back to your life.
		You want to get back to some semblance of normality.
		And in my case, what happened was I've worked basically for the government either through – I was a soldier, and then I ended up going to work for the Defense Department as both a contractor and as a government employee for most of my career.
		And I was actually working for Marfor Cyber, which is basically, we were doing hacking essentially, going after hackers, hacking our national critical infrastructure.
		And I had some great training at the NSA, had been read on to things like FISA and all these intelligence authorities and everything.
		And it was kind of a really exciting time in my career.
		And then I got an offer I just couldn't refuse.
		The FBI, a contractor, called me and they said, hey, we want somebody with your skills and we've had a hard time filling this position.
		Would you please consider interviewing?
		And then they offered me a number.
		I was like, whoa, it's twice my salary.
		It's like, how do you turn that down?
		So I left a job that I really loved to go work for the FBI. And I was excited because The day I showed up for my fingerprinting at the FBI, man, I was so excited because I was like, this is the pinnacle of my career.
		I was making more money than I'd ever made.
		You know, I had total respect for the FBI. I've got members of my own family that are in law enforcement, and I've always had a respect for law enforcement.
		I've always looked at the FBI as like, you know, they are the premier law enforcement agency of the US. And What I discovered after I started working there was that it was completely politicized.
		It was just – it was very woke.
		There were – and then of course – What year was this?
		This was 2016, 2017. Okay, yeah.
		So right around 2017, I started seeing things that were – that was when you started seeing the FBI was investigating everything – or sorry, the Congress was investigating everything from Uranium One to Benghazi to the Hillary Clinton email server.
		All these things and these scandals started happening.
		And one day I walk into the office, and I worked in Washington, D.C., not at the J. Edgar Hoover Building, at a nondisclosed location where the information assurance division was.
		And my job was – I was hired to – as a subject matter expert in cybersecurity to – Architect and implement and deploy a new vulnerability management system that would be across the FBI enterprise-wide.
		All their field offices and satellite divisions and everything.
		So it's a pretty huge contract.
		But I come in one day and my government supervisor is having a hushed conversation with one of my colleagues.
		And so, you know, we were all, you know, had a good relationship.
		I walk over, I'm like, hey, what's going on?
		And he tells me that he's seen these transcripts, or that he had heard about these transcripts that somebody had seen, where we had an internal system within the FBI where, you know, any communications, it's kind of like Zoom, you know, but it's all on the classified side.
unidentified		Sure.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		And the FBI has the most advanced document retention system I've ever seen.
		And including when you have those conversations, it records it and then transcribes it and then dumps those transcripts.
		Well, apparently somebody had seen those transcripts of a conversation from the folks on the seventh floor.
		That's where all the leadership of the FBI is.
		And they were talking about the investigation into Hillary.
		And what they saw or what the words that were all throughout this thing were words like treason.
		They were saying things like this is too big.
		It was so big that it could bring down the government.
		They were talking about things like that they were going to basically shut down their investigation because they were concerned.
		They thought for sure she was going to be president.
		I mean, this is what everybody believed.
		And they thought there was going to be retribution.
		So they decided to cover up these crimes by essentially making these investigations go away.
		So when I hear this, I've taken that oath.
		I've taken that oath as a soldier.
		I took that oath as a Navy civilian and as a Marine civilian.
		I can't ignore that.
		Because I do believe, I've got a firm belief that someday I'm going to stand before my Maker, and He's going to ask me about these things.
		And that it's not just when we do evil things, that that alone is not evil.
		Along with that is when we know that we can do good and we don't do good.
		That's just as bad.
		And so...
		I had to pray long and hard about it because I knew this was going to be a career killer for me.
		I knew that this was going to end my career, potentially cause me harm to my freedom, possibly cause harm to my health, and certainly cause emotional distress probably for my family.
		But I prayed long and hard about it, and I did go and I searched.
		I had access, so I went and I searched into their databases, and I looked for if there was any truth to these things that were being said.
		And I didn't discover those transcripts because by the time that I worked up the courage to look for it, those had probably already been compartmentalized.
		But what I found was I found a ton of evidentiary documents, including suspicious activity reports and things like that, where the FBI had been investigating with three different field offices.
		You had Little Rock, Arkansas, New York City field office, and the Washington field office had three separate investigations that were open into Hillary Clinton.
		They had a ton of these documents that had basically showed the entire money trail.
		And you had four crimes that were listed on these documents that basically that they had identified.
		Money laundering, public corruption, securities and exchange fraud, and terrorism financing.
		So these are what are listed.
		These are what she was being investigated for.
		And they had evidence and they had analyst notes in these documents that said a high probability of those crimes.
		So I'm thinking, when I first see this, these have case numbers.
		I'm going, oh, they're not covering this up.
		She's going to get indicted.
		And then you'll remember...
		So at first I just kind of – I made copies of these documents on my computer, and it's on the classified side.
		But I just kind of decided not to do anything.
		I was just going to wait and see.
		And then you'll remember Comey comes out in front of the Jaggerhoover building, and he calls for a press conference, and then he's talking about the email server.
		And he's saying, oh yes, we investigated.
		Now we found thousands of classified documents on this email server, even after she bleach-bitted, was it 30,000 emails or whatever it was?
unidentified		Yeah, 33,000, I think is that number.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Which that in and of itself is a crime.
		I mean, listen, I've had subpoenas come to me for documents in 27 years working for the government.
		There have been some times where I had gotten an email from the security saying, hey, don't delete anything in your email because we have a leak or a spill or something like that, and we need to come examine it.
		So I – threat of going to jail, absolutely, I'm not going to do anything.
		But yeah, she had things deleted.
		And then, but even still, they still found thousands of classified emails.
		And he goes up, and this really caught my attention.
		He said, and we found seven email chains that had special access programs.
		Now, most people have no idea what that even means.
		That's above top secret, okay?
		Top secret is the highest clearance, but then you have what they have called compartmentalization.
unidentified		Yeah.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		In my career, I've only maybe a couple times been read on to SAPs.
		And SAPs are no joke.
		When you go to review these documents, they're in a folder with a cover sheet.
		I don't get to handle these until I'm in a secured space.
		Now, I worked in a SCIF. But even in the SCIF, where everybody in there has a top-secret clearance, I can't have these at my desk.
		Because they don't want somebody walking by and shoulder-surfing and seeing what's in there because they don't have a need to know.
		So in that case, what happens is you go to your security officer, they first of all check to see if you're on the list, then they do the combination, open up the safe, pull out that document, sign it out, hand-carry it with you to a safe room where you can review these documents, and then they take them back.
		And so you're never – basically the only time you're ever alone with these documents is when you're sitting in this little secured area.
		And so the fact that there were seven of those – Seven email chains with these saps on them in her personal private email server in her home.
		There's no way you even get those out of a skiff and out of the hands of the security manager without knowingly violating the law.
unidentified		So you're saying this was part of the 33,000 emails that were deleted off her Gmail?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Like her Gmail, right?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		These ones were found.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		So who knows how many were in the deleted ones?
unidentified		Thousands and thousands.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		There could be.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		We don't know.
unidentified		But this was...
		On her personal email.
		Like a Gmail?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
		This was a personal server that was being used to basically get around FOIA. It was located in New Jersey, correct?
		Yeah, no.
		Chappaquiddick.
unidentified		Chappaquiddick, okay.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		In the basement bathroom of her home.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		So she was stealing documents.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		So we call that, in the government, we call that espionage.
unidentified		Right.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		The legal definition of espionage, it fits.
		And I'll remind you, at that time, there was a naval, I think it was a submariner, who had been thrown in jail for doing nothing more than taking a picture of his hot rack.
		A hot rack is basically like a cot.
unidentified		Yeah, it's anything on the subs considered class.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		So yeah, this guy though got thrown in jail for something that really wasn't a national security threat, but yet Hillary Clinton has SAPs on her server, and the only reason she has that server, because here's the thing, so in the government, everything has to be done on government computers.
		The reason is because of the Freedom of Information Act.
		They do not want some secret deals going on that cannot be verified at some point in time later.
		And so the only reason that she had that server was to get around.
		For sure.
		You know, that's my presumption, but that is what— So even the existence of it was nefarious.
		Absolutely.
unidentified		For sure.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Now, so this is all going down.
		You have Comey admit in that interview that there was evidence that you had foreign adversaries that had accessed that server.
		So I'm talking to my buddies from my days working at NSA, and I'm like, hey man, have you seen this?
		This certainly looks like to me, and we all had the same thought, it's a Dropbox.
		You put some documents there.
		Foreign enemies, hack into it, get those documents, and now you can claim, oh, I didn't know they were going to do that.
unidentified		By hack, you mean sign into it.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		So I saw this, and the moment I saw that, I knew at that moment that everything that I had heard was true.
		They were going to cover this up.
		Because the next words out of his mouth are, but no reasonable prosecutor would bring a case against somebody for this.
		He was just unsophisticated.
		And I'm like, are you kidding me?
		She was the Secretary of State.
		That means that she was at least, at minimum, a derivative classifier, which means she went through all the training she had signed, all of the non-disclosure agreements and everything.
		She knew damn well what she was doing.
unidentified		Yep, 100%.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		So at this point, now I'm kind of like, crap.
		What the hell am I going to do?
		And so I ended up having to blow the whistle.
		And I remember the night I came home and I told my wife...
		And we were living in Maryland, Union Bridge at the time.
		I come home and I was not my normal talkative self.
		And my wife, we're laying in bed and she goes, what's up with you?
		You're not talking.
		You're not saying anything.
		Something's up, I can tell.
		And I just said, I think I got to blow the whistle on the FBI. And she sits up and goes, what?
		What?
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nate cain ▲ ● ▼		And then her next question was, why does it have to be you?
		Why can't somebody else do it?
		You're just a contractor.
unidentified		That's a fair question.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		And I told her, I said, if not me, then who's going to do it?
		I mean, clearly, I'm not the only person that's seen this, but nobody, as far as I know, is willing to do that.
		I mean, these guys that work there at the Bureau that are government employees, they've probably got pensions, families, you know?
unidentified		My question is, why would they have the backroom conversations in a place where it's being recorded?
unidentified		Right.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Well, because it was classified, and maybe they thought they could just compartmentalize it, but somebody saw those transcripts and then basically...
unidentified		Well, if it's on record...
		Nate, won't somebody see it eventually?
		Well, I mean, apparently that hasn't really mattered, because now here we are almost a decade later, you know, and nobody's actually been, never mind been charged, but, I mean, never mind gone to jail or anything, but nobody's even been charged.
		There's been no, you know, there's been nothing from the DOJ. Even Donald Trump, who, you know, was famous for lock her up, lock her up, you know, Even his DOJ did nothing.
		I mean, it's possible that...
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Well, he never had any control.
unidentified		No, no.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		That's fairly obvious.
		And that was one of the things that really upsets me is when I hear these people say, oh, the FBI is supposed to be an independent agency.
		Bullcrap.
		That's not what the Constitution says.
		The president...
unidentified		Well, the FBI is not in the Constitution, but...
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		No, but he is the senior executive for all of the executive branch.
		And there is nothing that is supposed to be out of his purview.
		The buck stops with him.
		So that is a fallacy that gets pushed, is that the FBI should be independent.
		No.
		We have a process of holding the president accountable.
		It's called impeachment.
		But really, everything else is supposed to be accountable to him.
		But back to the story, what happened after that was I ended up...
		Not knowing how to get this stuff out of there, because basically, as I started reviewing these documents, the names that are on a lot of these documents, people that knew about it, that were in the know, so they had to have been involved in somehow in the cover-up, were James Comey, you had Rod Rosenstein, who's the Deputy Attorney General, because he was the U.S. Attorney at the time of Uranium-1, and a lot of the documents were about that and what happened with that.
		Uranium-1 was a Canadian mining company that basically was given permission by the CFIUS Committee, who Hillary Clinton was the chair of, to be purchased by a Russian energy company called Ross-Ottom. to be purchased by a Russian energy company called Ross-Ottom.
		Now, the problem is, is the FBI knew before that decision was made that Ross-Ottom was basically an agent of the Russian government.
		They had all of the evidence.
		They had an intelligence report that basically showed this, and it was from 2009 or something like that.
		And it showed that they were involved in a bribery and kickback scheme trying to infiltrate our uranium supply chain.
		So they know this before they allow for this sell to happen.
		And the FBI director at the time that that went on?
		Robert Mueller.
		Who was the deputy at that time?
		James Comey.
		So basically, you're talking like a huge, huge scandal here.
		And so I end up, I can't go through my normal chain of command to blow the whistle.
		I couldn't go through the ICIG either because Michael Atkinson, who's the intelligence community inspector general at the time of the Uranium One thing, he's the guy who's the head of the public corruption unit for the FBI, which means he's in the know.
unidentified		So at the time, this is like 2016, you said, did you feel like there was the option of going to the press at all?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No, never.
		And I'll tell you why.
		Remember, you'd already seen Manning.
		You'd already seen what had happened, Julian Assange, and you'd already seen Snowden.
		You already had plenty of evidence that you leaked something to the press, you're going to jail, or you're going to have to leave your country and flee.
		It's not an option.
		So there's no way in hell I'm going to jeopardize myself in that way.
		But I knew the one option that I had, and I went and I looked at federal law, and I'm like, okay, well, who can I go through if I don't go through this normal whistleblower process?
		Well, there was a law in the books that said that anybody who was a senior staffer to either the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence or the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, they could take classified information from anyone without any question.
		And I had a courier card, meaning I could carry classified documents out of the FBI anywhere as long as I was authorized.
		So what I did in a roundabout way to kind of protect myself was I reached out through a secondary person to get to Devin Nunez and reached out to his office.
		We set up a meet, a clandestine meeting, and his senior staffer, George Pappas.
		Now, interestingly enough, at the time, Devin Nunez had two senior staffers.
		One was George Pappas.
		The other was Cash Patel.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		So the likelihood that Cash has seen these documents is very high.
		And so I hope something good will come out of this eventually.
		But I ended up meeting with George Pappas.
		We went and picked him up, drove around the Capitol for about three hours while I debriefed him.
		I had everything on a thumb drive, and I handed it over to him.
		And then he says to me, look, do you have anything more on – because most of what I had was suspicious activity reports that had been analyzed – And he goes, do you have anything more specifically about Uranium One?
		We're investigating this and we're getting stonewalled by the FBI. And I said, no.
		And he says, there's rumors that there is an intelligence report that would give the dates and times of what the FBI knew and when they knew it.
		Would you be willing to go back in and get that information for us?
		And I'm like, oh crap.
		Are you serious?
		So, I agree.
		He gives me these, you know, basically an encrypted app to contact him through chat.
		And we tested how it works.
		And so my last day at the FBI, because, I mean, it took everything, you know, to work up the courage to do it.
		I put it all on a thumb drive along with everything I had put on there before.
		And I carry it out.
		And I try contacting him.
unidentified		I got to ask you, though.
		My redneck mind just kind of goes...
		Did your butthole get all puckered up during that time?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		The whole time, brother.
		I was probably sweating.
		When I walked out of the bureau, I knew I could get stopped.
unidentified		Now, you walked out in physical possession of a...
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Physical possession of classified information.
unidentified		Now, this was technically illegal then, right?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Or because your courier card...
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		So, whistleblowing makes it legal, and I had a courier card.
		Makes it legal.
		But...
unidentified		Whistleblowing makes it legal, but...
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		It does.
unidentified		But there's this...
unidentified		Reality Winner or Snowden or...
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's the problem.
		If I get...
		Because I didn't go through...
		Originally, I didn't go through the ICWPA or the WPA, right?
		It puts me in the precarious situation that if Hipsy doesn't back up my story, I am screwed.
		I got nothing in writing showing anything at this point.
		But...
		I've been asked.
		So technically I was under the agency of the HIPSI at this point because they can provide you some protections.
		But now I get out and I've been cut off.
		So now what do I do?
		I got this classified thumb drive.
		I'm no longer at the FBI. I turned in my badge.
		I did hold on to my courier card.
		But the problem is now I'm screwed because I can't destroy this evidence.
		You know, it needs to be seen by the oversight committee.
		So I reach out to a lawyer, actually, you know, the same friend that kind of connected me.
		I said, hey, I need you to find me a lawyer, and I need a lawyer like yesterday.
		And so I meet with this attorney, and I'm paranoid at this point.
		I'm like, I don't want to meet anywhere except in a public place, but where we still have a private conversation.
		And so he said, all right, how about my church?
		I'm like, all right, that works.
		So we meet at St. Michael's Church.
		And he basically tells me, yeah, you're basically in the same situation as Snowden, except you haven't left the country.
		And I think at that point my face turned white, you know, and I realized, oh man, I am in some serious trouble here.
		And then he asks me, he goes, are you independently wealthy?
		I go, no?
		I go, why are you asking?
		He goes, well, do you have any rich relatives?
		I'm like, no.
		And he goes, because I'm expensive.
		And I'm like, you can't do this pro bono?
		And he laughs at me.
		He goes, you're going up against Hillary Clinton and her cronies, the FBI's senior leadership and Russian intelligence agents.
		No, that's way too much liability.
		He said, my law partner would throw me out of the office.
unidentified		And by the way, I'm not suicidal.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, right.
unidentified		Trust me, I'm not going to hang myself.
unidentified		I did have information that could lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Right.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		And so...
unidentified		Not only could have, should have.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Should have.
		Yeah.
		And so I end up...
		He asks me all this and I basically say no.
		And he says, well, you know, I'll make a couple phone calls and see if maybe I can find some rich uncles to sponsor you or something.
		But he goes, I got to be honest with you.
		This is a...
		You're in a bad situation, and I can't take this on for free.
		And I went home that night, and I wept.
		I got with my wife.
		I thought my life was over.
		And we got on our knees, and we prayed and prayed and prayed.
		And two days later, I get a phone call from this attorney, and he tells me, he says, I went down to Nashville to talk to a woman who's independently wealthy and And she's, you know, she's an older woman.
		She's got more money than she needs.
		And I was hoping that she would, you know, maybe donate like $10,000 to kind of get a legal fund started for you.
		And she asked him, after he told her the story, she asked him, you know, how much is this going to end up costing this kid?
		He said, probably a couple hundred thousand dollars.
		And she pulled out her checkbook and wrote a check for $200,000.
		At the end of this with several different attorneys, it ended up costing $198,000.
		That was God.
		There's no way that that kind of thing just happens.
		And so that was the first kind of miraculous thing that occurred.
		And there were several other things that happened that were just amazing.
		But the second thing that was kind of really powerful...
		Was about 10 years earlier, my wife and I were living in Moreno Valley, California, and our church was doing this thing on learning to hear God's voice and all of that, and we were supposed to pray and fast and then write down what we hear.
		And I had wrote down one thing.
unidentified		Did you say wrote?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I did.
unidentified		That was country, boy.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		I know.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		I'm living in West Virginia too long.
unidentified		It's okay.
		Justin Timberlake at one time used the term bleated in a song.
		Yeah.
		Yes, yes.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		I use words like holler now, too.
unidentified		I'm just happy that I understood exactly what you were talking about.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so I wrote down, go to Sikaris.
		And so at the time, I got on MapQuest.
		That's how long ago it was.
unidentified		The worst website ever developed.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		Because it always took me the wrong way.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		And there was no place in the country called Socorro.
		And my wife even remembered because she was arguing with me saying, well, maybe you heard God wrong.
		Maybe it's Socorro because there was like a place called Socorro, New Mexico.
		And I'm like, no, I know what I heard.
		I heard Socorro.
		So I just kind of forgot about it.
		You weirdo.
		Maybe I heard something wrong or maybe I ate some bad guacamole or whatever.
		But I forget about it.
		So remember, I didn't pick this lawyer.
		Somebody else found him for me.
		But I'm sitting in the car.
		We're getting ready to walk into Joe DiGenova and Victoria Towsing's office because we needed to get some legal counsel from a defense attorney.
		And Victoria Towsing, she was defending The other Uranium One whistleblower, I think a guy named William Joseph Campbell, who was an FBI informant that basically got left twisting in the wind with classified drives and everything, and he wanted to go public with it.
		So she's representing him, so we went to go talk with her.
		Before we went in, by the way, at this point I probably had an ulcer.
		I was so stressed out, so just nervous about everything because I'm thinking, man, any moment I'm going to get whacked or I'm going to get arrested or something.
		And we're getting ready to walk in, and I said, Michael, can you pray with me, please?
		And he said, absolutely.
		I didn't know if he was a religious guy or not, but I knew he was at least Catholic.
		He went to church and So he grabs me by the hand and he prays.
		And the moment he says amen, all of a sudden I have this flashback of that memory from 10 years earlier, and I realize his last name is Sikaris.
		Michael Sikaris.
unidentified		That's wild.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		And immediately, all of a sudden, I just had peace.
		I knew.
		For ten years, God had been leading me down this road, leading me down this path, put me right where I needed to be, and I had nothing to fear.
		And so from that point forward, he ended up working out an arrangement with the Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz, who turned out to be a stand-up guy.
		I mean, this guy went to extraordinary means to, number one, allow me to maintain my anonymity, ironically, or not ironically, funnily, my, there's another word there.
unidentified		Funnily?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Funnily.
unidentified		Could you write these down?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yeah, take it out.
		My lawyer.
unidentified		We're getting it all.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		My lawyer, he puts down on writing and everything this agreement with the DOJ IG, and he says, you know, my client will heretofore be called by such and such code name.
		And so I'm reading this document.
		It says MCPOTA. And I'm like, MCPOTA? You couldn't pick a cooler name than that?
		I mean, dude, I'm only gonna do this once in my life.
		Couldn't you pick like 008 or something, you know?
unidentified		It's better than Deep Throat.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		I guess you're right about that.
		I think he did say, well, would you prefer Deep Throat?
		And I'm like, no, no, no, no.
		But it's hilarious because I go, man, what does this even mean?
		And he goes, oh, you'll like it.
		And so you've got to understand the background of this guy.
		So he comes to America at 14 after seeing his father put in a work camp by Castro.
		So he hates communists.
		And so he gives me the codename MCPOTA, and I find out it means making communists pay out the ass.
		I'm like, I love it, man.
		I'm owning that.
unidentified		That's a good one.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, so I mean that's the story of how I got through the whistleblowing, and eventually I ended up getting these documents to him.
		We had a clandestine meet at the St. John's Episcopal Church across from the White House.
		I go in wearing a hoodie and sunglasses, and I'm disguising myself.
unidentified		Full Unabomber gear.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Yes!
		I mean, it was total sus.
		You know, and I'm sitting there, and we get in there, and...
unidentified		Sus?
unidentified		Now he's got a whole different language.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		I do have Generation Xers.
unidentified		You spent 20 years younger.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Millennials, and I got both Millennials and Gen Z in my kids' age.
unidentified		So really, you're speaking Gen Z redneck.
		Sus means suspicious, so...
		Oh, I know.
		Okay.
		I know.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		So I'm sitting there, and Michael and I, we get there early.
		We get on our knees and pray.
		And then he goes out, phone calls the IG, because they could still rate us right there.
		He calls them.
		The IG honors it, sends his senior deputy to the church.
		Michael walks him in.
		I've been instructed to print out all these documents, so I have about this thick, double envelope written, secret, no foreign on the inside, all this jazz.
		We asked him if he wanted the thumb drive.
		He said no, because he said that I was able to maintain the thumb drive just in case the intel committees did nothing.
		I could take it to the Judiciary Committee.
unidentified		So I had it in a safe, but I had to— Hold on to that classified information and keep it on your person.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right?
unidentified		You should carry it at all times.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Honestly, I wanted to get rid of it because I saw that stuff as long as— Of course you did.
		It's like kryptonite, you know?
		Yeah.
		All it could stand to do is get me killed.
		So I end up— I had everything printed out, and so he walks him in, taps me on the shoulder, and I didn't want him getting a recording of my voice.
		I didn't want him getting my fingerprints.
		I didn't want him seeing or getting a picture of my face.
		That's why I went to all the things with the disguises.
		So he taps me on the shoulder, and I hand it over to him, over my left shoulder.
		And he walks out, escorts him out, and then we walk out, and we leave, and I think I'm done at this point.
		We went through all these problems of having issues where first, Jeff Sessions was the AG at the time, and he had recused himself from all things Russia and Hillary Clinton.
		So he refuses to give it a credibility rating, even though by law he's required to.
		So we're like 30 days in, and he's already supposed to have done this within nine days.
		And we're like, what the hell is going on?
		And so the IG looks into it, and he's like, you're not going to believe this, but I've never seen anything.
		It's unprecedented.
		But he's refusing to give it a credibility rating.
		So we're like, oh, great.
		And he goes, would you be willing to accept a credibility rating by me as the IG? And we're like, yeah.
		So he agrees to – he goes and he's got to verify the serial numbers of the documents and verify this is all legit.
		None of this is made up.
		Comes back, gives it a credibility rating.
		Then he gives it a, basically a rating of urgent concern, national security matter of urgent concern, and gives us authorization to take it to both intel committees.
		So we reach out to the intel committees, and the House, they get it, and they're like, "Oh yeah, we got it.
		This is very valuable to our investigations, blah, blah, blah.
		Is he willing to testify?" So my lawyer looks at me and goes, "Well, are you?" And I'm like, "Hell no." I'm not going to testify because the moment I walk in there and the Democrats see who I am, they're going to leak my name and then I'm going to be constantly having to grow eyes in the back of my head for the rest of my life.
		No way.
		And I said, they don't need it.
		It's already been very...
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nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Verified by the IG. But they then tell us that they don't want to take the information if we don't, you know, if I'm not willing to testify.
		So we go back to the IG. He goes, ask them if they'll take it if I deliver it.
		So he clearly wants to see this get into their hands.
		And so they say, yeah, we'll take it if he delivers it.
		So he delivers it to both committees.
		And then I think it was like four months later, the House changes hands.
		Adam Schiff becomes the chairman.
		He buries the entire investigation.
		We found out like a year later that the Senate, even though they got it, that The liaison got it.
		He shoved it in a file.
		It never made it to the Senate Intel Committee.
		And in the end, so like I said, four months later, shift takes over.
		A month after that, I get raided by 16 FBI agents that show up at my house.
		They end up, you know, and I don't have any beef with most of the guys that were there.
		They were just doing their job, and they were polite.
		They knocked on the door.
		I got Mar-a-Lago'd.
		I did not get, you know, they didn't kick in my door.
		I didn't get Roger stoned, okay?
		But, you know, they knocked on my door.
		I told them right at the door.
		I said, hey, I'm a protected whistleblower.
		But they come in anyways.
		And so I believe at this point I'm just cooperating with them because I got nothing to hide.
		So I'm talking to them.
		This guy's interviewing me.
		He's asking me all these questions.
		Did you sell any of this information to foreign adversaries?
		And I'm like, no, of course not.
		I'm a whistleblower, man.
		Contact the IG. You can find out.
		All this, and then after he's asked me all these questions and grilled me, then he pulls out a search warrant.
		And then I'm like, oh, crap.
		All right, we want you to take us over to your safe.
		Do you have any guns?
		Yes, they're all in my safe.
		Okay, we need to see them.
		So I start taking, you know, then he tells me to hand him my guns.
		Now, I'm looking at this like later now.
		At the moment, I'm just obeying, but...
		He could have shot me dead.
		He's asking me to hand him my guns.
		So I'm handing him my guns.
		They're writing all the serial numbers down on all my guns and everything.
		Then they're going through my house.
		They're detaining me, essentially, in one room for nine hours.
		Nine hours.
		They went through every room of my house.
		They took all of my electronics.
		And at this point, I'm like, I think I need to call my lawyer.
unidentified		So you're saying they wanted you to hand them your guns.
		Yeah.
		So you could have been holding it when they shot you and say, oh, he was aggressive.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		That is wild.
unidentified		And in the moment, it's probably nerve-wracking, so you're not thinking straight.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		And then they...
		Threatened to shoot my son's dog because his dog was in his room, and my son's got Asperger's.
		He's got high-functioning autism.
		He's freaking out.
		My wife wasn't there, thank God.
		Nobody else was there but my son and me.
		And they end up eventually taking all my stuff, and at that point – and I called my lawyer.
		My lawyer's like, don't say anything to him.
		I'm like, ah.
unidentified		Too late.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		And I already did, and he's like pissed.
		He's like, what did I tell you if the FBI don't say nothing?
		And I'm just like, ah.
		You know, sorry, man.
unidentified		The assumption is that they're there to do some good work that you're protected.
		And so it does make sense as to why people do that.
		But yeah, any time the government is at your door, don't talk to them unless you get a lawyer.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		So the next thing that happens is, of course, we immediately get in touch with our defense attorney that we had spoken to ahead of time, just in case this kind of thing happens.
		And that – she ends up asking for the search warrant, so I sent it over to her, and she's like, where's the Schedule B? I'm like, what do you mean?
		I've never seen a search warrant before, so I have no idea if what they gave me is legit or not.
unidentified		You want to go ahead and lay out what a Schedule B is?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Schedule B is what tells you what they're allowed to take.
		And I'm like, they never gave me that.
		I only had basically the front page of the thing.
		So I think they did give me the Schedule A, which says where they can search, but the Schedule B is what says what they can take.
		And I know why they did not give me the Schedule B, because they took things that were not on the list, like some of my wife's journals.
		I mean, personal journals.
		I haven't even looked at her journals.
		And – but based on the things that they took, it was clear what they were trying to set up.
		They were trying to set up this – that I'm like some anti-government conspiracist, that I'm selling secrets to enemies or something like that or whatever.
unidentified		Did they take your copy of A Catcher in the Rye?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		No, but they took my copy of a book about a government conspiracy that had been written by a guy, Bill Still.
		And he had written about a conspiracy by Nixon to overtake the government, to basically plan a coup.
		And his father had been involved in that case, and so he had written a book about it and had signed it, and I had it in my possession.
		But that was the only book they took, and so I knew at that point they had been surveilling me because my point of contact in getting me in touch with Devin Nunez was Bill Still.
unidentified		So how long did this go on, though?
unidentified		You said like 10 years?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		So it was like two or three years.
unidentified		So I didn't – starting in 2016 and then – 2017. Oh, that's right.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		2017. 2017, October 31st was when I made my first disclosure to George Pappas.
unidentified		Then – So it was during the Trump administration?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		There was no way I was going to do this under – okay.
		The Clinton administration.
		Hell no.
		Or even Obama.
		But I end up – it took almost a year to get to the point of being able to get those documents into the hands of both the intel committees.
		And then, like I said, five months later, they're raiding me.
		But they had been – I hadn't seen the signals.
unidentified		I already knew I was being surveilled because I had all of the – And the raid was coming in 2018 then?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		It came, gosh, November 14th, I think.
		But yeah, it really screwed up Thanksgiving.
unidentified		So does Trump not know about this at the time?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		They're just not telling the right people.
		No.
		They're covering it up.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Remember, Trump's under investigation.
		Jeez.
		That's right.
		So they have no— He's keeping him busy.
		He's staying out of the FBI because he's under investigation.
		By all the people, by the way, that I'm ratting on.
		Yeah, yeah.
		I mean, it's really a bad situation for me, but— But I end up – this guy, the lead FBI agent who's involved, goes on his own personal witch hunt, starts going and interviewing neighbors and friends and people, and not just interviewing them and asking them benign questions.
		He's asking them questions that are kind of like painting this impression of who I am that he's not.
unidentified		Sure, leading questions.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, leading questions.
		He's by himself.
		So that breaks and violates FBI protocol.
		You're supposed to always have two agents when they're interviewing somebody.
		But he's there by himself.
		He's asking leading questions.
		The guy's destroying my reputation in this small community of Union Bridge, where I'm at.
		When he doesn't get any dirt on me, he then starts going after my kids.
		He goes, they've been spying on me now at this point for decades.
		Who knows how long?
		I'm guessing probably two to three weeks before the raid.
		They probably had surveillance taps on me and everything.
unidentified		Do you have any sense of what kind of surveillance?
unidentified		Were they monitoring your – was it like wiretaps monitoring your emails and stuff or what do you think?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		I know for a fact that they had access to all of my social media, even private messaging.
		They had access to my phone.
		They had access to – they were listening to my conversations.
		The reason I know that, by the way, is my lawyer, the day before they raided, he calls me up, and he's like, hey – he starts off every conversation I ever have on the phone.
		This is an attorney-client privilege conversation, blah, blah, blah.
		And he says it just in case anybody's listening.
		They don't care.
		But he says that.
		And then he says, hey, we need to get that thumb drive out of your house and somewhere safe now that we're done doing all of this.
		And he says, so let's talk tomorrow about where we can do that.
unidentified		Do you think that was the impetus?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		They raided me the next day.
		So in the morning, like it was 9 a.m.
		the next morning.
		And it started with two people show up.
		And I knew it was FBI the moment they pulled in because they had that, you know, standard FBI haircut and walk.
		They get out of a white car, you know, and they sedan and they walk up to my door.
		And so, you know, when I let him in, the moment he pulls out the search warrant, all of a sudden...
		14 more of them show up in my driveway.
unidentified		So is it illegal at that point in your protected status and everything?
		Is it illegal to surveil you?
		Or is it customary?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		You know, here's the thing.
		So in order to do all of that – so we know that the FBI has been illegally using 702 to spy on people, and that's illegal.
		The courts have said so, but nobody – there's no punishment for that.
		Right.
		What do they care?
		But the other thing that was really strange was the Daily Caller breaks the story because the New York Times gets a tip and somebody at the Daily Caller had a spy inside New York Times and they were going to write a hit piece on me the next day.
		So he contacts my lawyer like midnight, like, hey, I've got word that your client's going to have a hit piece written on him the next day in New York Times.
		Would you please consider giving me an exclusive, and we'll let you get your side of the story out.
		So he reluctantly agrees, and he gives them an interview.
		If you do a search for Dennis Nathan Cain whistleblower, and you'll find it.
		But yeah, so he ends up basically giving this interview, and then his story breaks nationwide, international news even.
		But yeah, somebody leaked my name to the press.
		And the Daily Caller then does a follow-up, and they do – yeah, that's the article right there.
		they do a follow-up where they actually do a FOIA request to the magistrate that signed off on the search warrant, and get this, a Clinton-appointed federal judge put a seal on an answer to a question that they had their lawyers look at and meticulously come up.
		The lawyers had come up with one question that they would ask that they found that there was no justification for holding back information on, and it was, was the judge notified that Dennis Nathan Cain was a protective whistleblower under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act?
		And a Clinton-appointed judge puts a seal on that answer, and then she seals her justification for putting a seal on that answer.
		I mean, it doesn't get more corrupt than that.
		And it's a long story, but to just kind of wrap it up, this agent basically makes my life a living hell.
unidentified		And this is one agent, correct?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		One agent.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		He, of course, was spying on me, listening to – he knows that my son is 18. One of my sons is 18, and we're having that typical parental adult issues that are going on.
unidentified		Of teenage angst.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes.
		And, you know, and I had basically, you know, told my son it's my way or the highway.
		He chose the highway.
		And so he moves out.
		And so he goes after my son, tries to work that, okay, get, you know, tries to talk him into wearing a wire against me.
		And the only reason I know is because my son and I have mended things and he told me what happened.
		While he's basically being, he's under a polygraph because he's trying to get into NSA, he gets bamboozled by these guys coming in there and this guy interrogating him.
		He ends up – it's just – it was horrible what happened.
		They pulled my daughter out of her class in high school.
		She's a senior.
		They pull her out.
		And some investigator from the sheriff's department, local sheriff's department is asking her questions like, has your dad ever touched you in your private places and all this stuff?
		And we're like, what the heck is going on here?
		Right.
		So basically, we finally tracked down what happened.
		And they had said, oh yeah, we've already closed the case.
		We talked to your daughter.
		Sorry.
		My wife's insistent on no.
		I want to know who did this.
		Where did this come from?
		And they tell her, well, we can't say who, but all we can say is that there was a law enforcement tip.
		So we know it came from this FBI agent.
		So they're trying to destroy my life.
		And at this point...
		I finally get sick of it.
		And the last thing that happened was my son, the one with autism, they come after him, and it doesn't end well.
		And so at that point, I'm just like, you know what, I'm done with this crap.
		And so I contacted...
		The Senate Judiciary Chairman's Office, which was Lindsey Graham at the time.
		And I said, I need to come down with my lawyer, tell you guys what's going on.
		I'm being harassed as a whistleblower.
		I go down.
		My lawyer's there.
		We meet with his investigative counsel, tell him everything.
		And he says, okay.
		Two weeks later, the guy's no longer an FBI agent.
		I don't know if they told him, hey, you need to retire.
		I don't really know if there was discipline or not, but he was not an FBI agent, and that I do have confirmed.
unidentified		And so after this, I decided— You don't know anything more about this particular agent at all?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		I know his name, and I won't say it because I don't know what the legal ramifications are for that.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, the guy was clearly – he was running his own op.
unidentified		And what's interesting – Do you think he was running his own op or somebody had him on an op?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		I think somebody had him probably.
unidentified		Yeah, that would be weird to hold a personal vendetta.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, but he was doing things off.
unidentified		I'm not so sure that it would be very weird considering the way that the Justice Department behaves nowadays.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		He was doing things off book without a doubt because one of the people that he interrogated called me and told me that when he told this guy to basically leave his property and then as he's walking away and he goes, why are you guys always trying to ruin people's lives?
		And the guy turns around and goes, oh, you just watched too much Fox News.
		Yeah.
unidentified		So you think he was a raging liberal that had a vendetta for you, or do you think there could have been somebody else on the strings?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		They were effing with me.
		And I talked to some – I saw friends, and I talked to some people, and I asked them.
		I said, hey, what's going on?
		And I even – I got confirmed to me from somebody out of the Baltimore field office.
		That they lied on the search warrant in order to get the search warrant.
		So they basically – it was full-blown lies and fabrication.
		But it's like this world of the classified, it's a dangerous world because how do you even go public with something like that and not end up like Snowden or Julian Assange or Manning or – It's just—it's a very difficult problem because you have—essentially, they can cloak anything, right, by just classifying.
		And this is what Kash Patel has been talking about, is that they overclassify things, and they do that on purpose.
		And so in the end— Probably the scariest moment, aside from the FBI showing up at my house, was I ended up getting poisoned twice.
		I had the lug nuts on my car loosened right before we went on a long trip.
		I had surveillance drones landing in my backyard.
		I mean, it was crazy.
		The one time I go down to my car and reach under my door handle, and there's some sort of oily liquid under my door handle, I didn't think anything at the time.
		I just thought, oh, gross, I'm in an underground parking garage.
		I'm thinking, you know, these sewer pipes or whatever are leaking on my car.
		So I just wipe my hand on my pants, I get in my car, and I'm driving home from D.C. Because at this point I had taken a job with a defense contract, and I'm working, you know, for the- You still had your clearance then?
		Yeah.
		My clearance never got suspended.
		I immediately reported my law enforcement interaction.
		I hadn't done anything wrong.
		They never brought charges against me.
		And so I still have my clearance.
		So I ended up leaving for home from work, and all of a sudden I had this pain in the back of my head, right at the base of my skull.
		And I reach back there and it's like all swollen.
		And I'm thinking, oh man, you know, I must have put my neck out or something like that.
		So I called my chiropractor.
		I'm like, hey, can you guys squeeze me in?
		They're usually pretty flexible.
		So like, yeah, sure.
		So I just drove straight there.
		And by now I've got a massive headache.
		I'm not feeling well.
		"Well, I got like brain fog." The chiropractor goes, "You know, I don't think this is your vertebrae.
		It's like you got some swollen glands back here.
		You need to go see a doctor." So I called my doctor's office 'cause I hate going to the emergency room Sure, yeah.
		Can you guys fit me in?
		And they said, you know, we just had a cancellation.
		If you can get over here in 10 minutes, we can see you.
		So I get over there.
		And she's, by this time, now I'm having slurred speech.
		I've got ataxia, so they're doing this thing.
		And one eyeball's moving, the other's not.
		You know, I can't walk in a straight line, so they think I'm having a stroke.
		You know, so they're like, you need to go immediately to the emergency room.
		So my wife, at this point, has met me, and so she drives me to the emergency room.
		And they do an MRI. They did a CAT scan and they did, I think, an EKG. And they said, we don't see anything.
		So go home.
		And I still have symptoms.
		So go find a – they refer me out to a neurologist.
		So we find one of the top neurologists in Washington, D.C. I go meet with this guy.
unidentified		Is this the next day?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		I think it was like maybe two days or three days later.
		So I meet with this guy and we have...
		He does MRIs, MRAs, with and without contrast.
		He does EEG, you know, everything.
		Like every kind of test you can imagine.
		And at the end of it all, he goes...
		And this is six weeks later, I still got symptoms.
		And he's like, I got good news and bad news.
		He goes, the bad news is I don't know what's causing this.
		He goes, all...
		He says, all of your charts don't explain any of this.
		He says, so the good news is, is you have pristine arteries.
		There's no plaque in your arteries.
		Your brain is pristine.
		Everything looks great.
		And I had been taking this vasodilator for a while.
		And I'm pretty sure, you know, it's opening up my arteries and veins and stuff, and I'd taken it about two hours before this contact.
		And I don't realize until this moment that that's what happened, because he says to me, he goes, you know, I'm really...
		He says, if your job was different, I might know what this was.
		He said, I've only had one client that had charts just like yours, all of the symptoms.
		And he goes, but your job doesn't make sense for this.
		And I go, what did he do?
		He says, well, he worked for an industrial chemical plant and he touched some chemicals with his bare hands.
		And I'm like, right then, I'm like, oh crap, I know what this is.
unidentified		And the symptoms lasted that long after touching the...
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Did you clean off the thing that you touched it?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		So do you believe that you continued to touch this?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Well, it absorbed through my skin.
unidentified		Sure, yeah.
		But what I'm saying is, so you touched it one time, rubbed it off on your pants or whatever, probably got more that absorbed through your clothing.
		But as you continued to get in and out of your car...
		Possibly, yeah.
		Do you believe there was residue?
		That's why it persisted?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		It's very possible.
		Okay.
		But it also could have just persisted because it could have been a long acting thing.
		I don't know.
		But that's a good question.
		I don't know.
		But prior to that, I had had another incident about two months before, where I ended up same type of situation, end up in the emergency room with heart attack-like symptoms.
		And in that case, I had walked into my office and there was like a dust, like a very light film of dust on my desk.
		And normally I left my door unlocked, but that day I come in and my door's locked.
		And so I had to get the spare key to get, you know, to get in.
		And I brush off my desk and immediately start going into AFib.
		Now, I think now – and at the time, again, I'm just thinking, man, I'm under incredible stress.
		This must just be stress.
		But now that I think back, I'm thinking it was probably – and I've talked to, of course, a number of experts and this sort of thing.
		In fact, I contacted the Carlson Institute, which they do all the poison testing for the FBI. And I sent the guy my charts and everything, and he's like, look, you were probably poisoned with some sort of neurotoxin.
		Anthrax or something.
		And then more like some sort of— It's a bioweapon.
		Yeah, they have like 14 different chemicals that they know of that can cause those symptoms just by touching them.
		But he also mentioned that the other incident that I had, you know, could have been fentanyl, you know, could have been some sort of, you know, some sort of stimulant or something like that.
		But yeah, I just, so that happens.
		And then about maybe three months later, you know, I'm back to normal.
		I'm feeling good again.
		And we have this trip that we're going down to take, you know, go down to Kentucky.
		And of course, we're talking on the phone, you know, with people about it and So somebody knew.
		And we get in my car, and we're driving down there, and my son, he's like, Dad, I hear a weird noise coming from the car.
		So we pull off at a gas station, and I walk around, and every lug nut is all the way at the end of the post except for one.
		One lug nut is holding that wheel on.
		And, you know, we drove...
unidentified		On the rear.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Front-right passenger side.
		So if you think about it, I'm doing 80 miles an hour on the highway.
		Yeah, I mean, you know, it would have been devastating.
		So after that, I'm like, all right, man, we're done.
		We're moving.
		We got to get the hell out of here.
		Because I had somebody show up at my house and, you know, YouTuber or whatever shows up there, and he's got filming me as I'm driving up my driveway, gets my license plate.
		You know, he's he's telling everybody where I live, you know, and he's talking about, you know, and making up bullshit that has he's like he's he looked at my my resume or something on LinkedIn and making all these assumptions that just aren't true.
unidentified		Do you have any information on that guy?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		George Webb.
unidentified		George Webb, okay.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And I called him out on a show much later, and that was an interesting conversation.
		But yeah, so I think it put my life at risk, and so we ended up selling our house, and we moved to West Virginia.
		I wanted to live somewhere where I knew I was going to be able to protect myself and own guns, lots of them.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't blame you.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		So that's what initially drove us here.
		And we ended up moving in by just pure happenstance.
		We sold our house and we ended up in a hotel for about three weeks while our house was taking time to close.
		And we ended up moving in the day after the election on 2020. So, you know, it was like I couldn't have gotten out of Maryland at a better time.
unidentified		And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why Nate Kane is a pissed-off American soldier.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		Tyler, how did you...
		These two stories are dramatically different.
		The kind of line through them is that they're both former military, former government, involved with the government.
		How did you link these stories together as a filmmaker?
		And also, what are some of the other...
		People that are involved that you kind of brought into the fold to kind of actually create the story for the whole movie.
		Yeah, I think that was one of the hardest things was, like, what story do we tell?
		So we had Glenn's story, which was obviously, you know, corruption at a more local level.
		And then we had several other people.
		I mean, there's a ton of people in the documentary.
		And you did what about...
		20, 25 minutes, something like that, maybe?
		Yeah, but I mean...
		Interviews?
		Oh my gosh, we've got 23, 24 hours of interviews.
		Yeah, hours and hours of interviews.
		So, in the movie, the people that made it into the movie are like Ivan Raiklin, who was somebody that was going to be here, but he's doing something else today.
		But there's probably 10 different people in the film that we actually interview and that are in there.
		And, you know, Nate is just...
		Maybe a 10-minute part of it because his story obviously takes, you know, 12 hours to tell.
		However...
		And that's just part of it.
		We didn't even get to the deep stuff.
		I know.
		So anyway, there was a lot of stories to weave.
		So really what I had to do was go through all the footage and figure out, like, okay, what is the through line that actually kind of ties all these people together?
		And there was many...
		But the ones we decided to talk about in the movie, Finish This Fight, Diary of a Pissed-Off American Soldier, is DOJ corruption, which obviously both of them have that in their lives, in their stories.
		And then we also talked about...
		Well, are you familiar with Craig Sawyer?
		I'm not.
		Craig Sawman Sawyer, he's...
		SEAL Team 6 has an organization right now called Veterans for Child Rescue or Vets for Child Rescue, and he's pulling kids out of child sex trafficking.
		Actively involved still yet in raids.
		In fact, I was talking to him the other day, was going to be on a show with us.
		He's like, dude, we're getting ready to kick a door down.
		Yeah, I mean, he's literally doing this regularly, like on the daily type of thing.
		So, you know, we talked about that a little bit.
		We talked about DOJ corruption.
		We talked to people on the street, too.
		We do some man on the street stuff, just like, hey, is the American dream alive?
		How do you feel about that?
		So there was a lot of things, but...
		What would you say like the biggest themes were that came out of it for you?
		Well, the DOJ, obviously the mainstream media, my gosh, if Trump did anything right, he did.
		He did a lot of things right.
		Yeah.
		I wasn't a fan really before he ran for office.
		But when I saw the world come after him, all of a sudden, I knew something was there.
		And the guy's got cojones the size of this table.
		But he exposed the corruption.
		And, you know, they're not even hiding it anymore.
		It's to the point like, well, we don't care.
		What are you going to do about it?
		So we talk about the mainstream media.
		And people like Tim, people like us, people like Nate are the media now that's coming out with the truth.
		And what we even talked about in the movie is going to the sources of truth.
		And that's what we did.
		So, Craig Sawyer, John Tigg, an amazing guy.
		Do you know who he is?
		Yeah, John's a great dude.
		Was left to die on a rescue mission by Obama and Clinton and the CIA. So we really just found a lot of other pissed off Americans.
		Shamika Michelle.
	Would love to bring her here.
	Shamika is a young black lady.
	Well, I don't know how young she is.
	She looks amazing.
	In North Carolina, was raised and was brought up as a Democrat and had her own aha epiphany moment through these last eight years and is now a speaker in the walkaway movement.
	So she's a pissed off American mom.
	Got a friend, Debbie, that's down in Florida, Debbie Ferris, Chinese, born in Panama, raised in Venezuela, educated in Mexico and a United States citizen.
	Yeah.
	Now that's quite a combination.
	and has come to the point where she sees the corruption and the communism trying to creep its way in here to the point that she's developed an election integrity group in Florida herself, took it on herself to do, that actually puts legislation through Tallahassee to help Florida have better elections.
	So we brought that kind of awareness to people This is the kind of thing, you know, we're in a movement.
	And Nate and I actually met the first time at Reawaken.
	A Reawaken tour down in Miami.
	But there's a lot of people that don't go to those.
	There's a lot of people that won't go to those.
	They don't want to hear the rah-rah about what's happening.
	They just want to hide.
	And they're going to watch the mainstream.
	They're going to watch what people tell them is truth, and it's really probably not.
	So we developed Pissed Off American Soldier because I think it's an intriguing title.
	People are going to want to see it, and they're going to hear things.
	Not a lot of people's heard Nate Kane's story.
	I've introduced him in the movie as probably the least known American hero that I've ever met in my life.
	And his story needs to be told.
	But it's also hard to swallow.
	It's hard to believe that a government that I fought for has the capability of doing that to a man that fought for them as well.
	Has the capability of doing what they've done to me.
	Maybe we laid it, we signed a dotted line at some point, and you as well, I think, signed a dotted line that at some point up into our lives was what we were willing to risk, and yet can be treated like that.
	And so we bring an awareness, bring an awareness through these stories, but we're also given hope.
	Because we are America.
	We still have that spirit.
	And there are people like Nate and people like you and people like Tim, people like Travis and people like myself that are willing to stand up and take a risk because we got a target on our backs again when we're doing this.
	I've already been blacklisted on social media again because of this movie.
	They can kiss my country butt.
	I don't give a crap anymore.
	I'm going to do what I feel like God's told me to do.
	This country...
	It was founded on godly principles.
	It was founded on freedom.
	And we don't have it now.
	We have a form of it.
	We're fed enough to keep us complacent.
	But guys, we are so close to losing stuff.
	It's scary if you know the truth.
	Yeah, I guess to answer your question, there's a lot of through lines in the movie.
	What I like about it is something that you just mentioned is that we go through his story.
	We go through several other stories.
	We show that mainstream media is...
	Obviously has an agenda.
	It's obviously lying.
	And we show that.
	I think we do it fairly cleverly as well.
	It's not just like, they're lying.
	Listen to us.
	It's like, hey, we're going to show you, walk you down that path so that you actually see it in front of your eyes instead of just like...
	Taking our word for it, you know, and there's several people saying the same thing in the movie.
	So there's confirmation, but we also literally show it.
	And I think what I like about it is we've done it different than most documentaries.
	And at the end, we do tie things together, like you said, and we do bring hope and like some practical, hey, what can I do now?
	Or, you know, what does that look like in 2025 and beyond?
	Like, how do we change everything?
	Instead of just complaining about it, I think that's the biggest problem, right?
	Everybody's on X. Everybody's on Instagram.
	And complaining about it, a lot of people just want to sit down and just, well, you know, I'll just consume.
	I'll just be a consumer and sit down and do nothing.
	So there's very few people actively doing things, but I think we give some hope at the end of like...
	At the bare minimum, you can wake up and start saying something.
	Or wake up and, if you're a believer, pray about it.
	Like, get activated somehow.
	And there is hope.
	You know, there is hope.
	And I think people like us are kind of bringing that hope and awareness of hope.
	Mainstream media is not trusted anymore.
	I mean, Timcast is getting more views than most of the mainstream media combined at this point.
	Their numbers are embarrassing.
	I mean, CNN is like going down at this point, right?
	It's like they're not even going to be a network in four years.
	Well, they were beaten by the Food Network recently.
	But I mean, to be fair, everybody does eat.
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		That is true.
unidentified		You're going to be fair.
		But yeah, slamming hoagies on there.
		They were beaten by the Food Network.
		Yeah.
		Alright, so we've been going for just about two hours.
		Why don't I get some final thoughts from you, Greg?
		Well, my final thoughts are simple.
		I love God.
		I love my country.
		I hate what's going on.
		My mission is to bring awareness.
		That's through music and now through this movie.
		And people ask me, I get this all the time when I get a chance to go around the country and talk about freedom.
		What can I do, Glenn?
		And I'm going to tell you right now, I don't know what you can do.
		And I'm going to be willing to bet you probably went through this at some point not long ago.
		I don't know what you can do.
		I thought I knew what I could do.
		Truthfully is, I don't know what I can do either.
		When I heard that still small whisper of Glenn shoot a movie and I said yes, my whole world opened up.
		And I don't even know that we're even touching the tip of what we're going to be able to do together.
		But here's what I'll tell people.
		Don't close your eyes.
		Don't sit back down.
		The fight is just beginning.
		Yeah, we won the White House.
		And we did that, I believe, because people stood up for the first time in a long time.
		Don't sit down.
		It's the very beginning of keeping what we know now as freedom and bringing back some of the good stuff that we've lost.
		We don't want the bad stuff.
		We don't want to go back to the 60s with race riots and people worried about being equal and not being segregated.
		That's not the good stuff.
		The good stuff is...
		When I was a kid and we get to go outside and play until the lights come on and then we go home.
		You're not worried about being trafficked.
		You're not worried about being drive-by shot.
		You're not worrying about all that crap.
		The wholesomeness, the goodness of freedom.
		So we've developed this movie to help maybe make that a step that can happen for America and for me personally.
		I'm tired of this crap myself.
		So finish this fight, Diary of a Pissed-Off American Soldier.
		Go get it.
		And oh, by the way, 50% of the profit is going to be used to help a paralyzed veteran walk again.
		That's great.
		That's great to hear.
		Nate, what do you got?
nate cain ▲ ● ▼		You know, the quote, all that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.
		My challenge to anybody that's watching this is to remember that.
		And when they see something, you know, don't just say something, do something about it.
		You know, don't ignore it.
		Because we are where we are today in terms of the wrong that is going on in this country because of complacency.
		And we're all guilty of it, even myself.
		When we have an opportunity to do something about it, we should.
		And we owe it to all of those that have come before us and that have paid the ultimate sacrifice for this country and for our freedoms.
		So that's one of the things that I appreciate about this movie is that it has a positive, you know, it has a positive push in there.
		And I think that we can do something about it.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
		Nate?
		I'm sorry, Tyler.
		Travis.
		Travis, my bad.
		Apologies.
		It's Travis Conover.
		No, these guys have heard me say this before, but it's so true.
		America...
		The major export in the United States is culture, right?
		We import everything.
		And I think we're even importing electricity at this point.
		It's insane how we just consume the whole world's resources as American people.
		But we export culture.
		We export music and movies.
		And if you're watching this and you don't already know that, you know, I think?
		And when you are living in a society like we are where the dollar is king and you get to vote with your money, like if you believe something, when you believe in something, whether it's an American company or whatever, and you spend your money there, that's how you vote and that's how you get rid of garbage, right?
		So when you go to watch these Hollywood movies and just consume and entertain yourself with Pedophiles and garbage people you're voting to say I want that and I like that and I want more of that in our country or You go to finish this fight dot us you could buy this movie for $11 and show those people and show the world that we want the truth we want to actually invest in good quality entertainment
		made by good quality people and Instead of perpetuating the trash that's out there, start to create some new, awesome content.
		And look, we're going to make government espionage feature films based on true stories.
		Nate Kane's story starring Travis Conover.
		And we are going to make that movie and that's going to be an awesome government espionage badass thriller that people are going to go and watch as entertainment but it's going to have true real life stories behind it.
		But when you go and you buy this movie and you buy the other things that I'm making and people like me are making, you're voting for that and you're saying that's what I want.
		You're voting for the Donald Trump of...
		Film industry, right?
		The Donald Trump of entertainment and movie making.
		And we're going to start exporting positive culture to the world.
		I'm so sick of what we're exporting now, which is just garbage.
		It is.
		We want Dwayne Johnson's next piece of content that has no soul, no life, and is terribly acted.
		Or we want to vote for something good.
		So if you have $11, the movie, I think, is worth way more than that.
		But I think it'd be, you know, a great thing to watch.
		And you're also voting that you want more of this in the world.
		That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
		I do have a spoiler about the movie, though.
		And we're talking about garbage and things like that in Hollywood.
		He, as a director, did convince me to do a topless scene.
		It was necessary for the story, Glenn.
		This is exciting.
		Listen, when he got arrested, he just had shorts.
		Exactly.
		Yeah, yeah.
		But thank you so much for having us here today, man.
		I've enjoyed the time.
		Glenn, thank you.
		Travis.
		Travis, thank you very much.
		Nate, I think I called you Tyler earlier.
		I'm not offended.
		You know what?
		Well, don't worry.
		Kellen here will take care of the editing.
		He'll smooth it over that way.
		That about wraps it up for us.

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