The Culture War - Tim Pool - Gen Z Debate: Conservative vs Liberal, Why Trump WON Gen Z
Aired: 2024-12-20
Duration: 01:59:03


=== Governmental Censorship Pressure (15:00) ===

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[00:00:17]  Read more on tiber.no Hello everybody and welcome to the Culture War podcast.
[00:00:29]  Today we've got a couple Gen Z guests.
[00:00:33]  We're going to be talking about Donald Trump's victory and why Gen Z men went for Donald Trump and why Gen Z women didn't.
[00:00:41]  So if you guys want to go ahead and introduce yourself, Luke.
[00:00:44]  I am Luke Beasley, a liberal political commentator and just recently started an oppositional show with Isabella Moody, who's here with us as well, called The Grudge, where we bicker and argue about how much we disagree on everything.
[00:00:58]  Yep.
[00:00:59]  Should I start now?
[00:00:59]  Yeah.
[00:00:59]  Alright, yeah, yeah.
[00:01:00]  I'm co-host of The Grudge with Luke Beasley.
[00:01:02]  Yeah, we pretty much just fight.
[00:01:03]  We have a lot of fun there, but it's kind of cool because not enough people on different sides of the aisle sit in the same room and actually talk these issues out.
[00:01:11]  So it's a lot of fun and we definitely get heated on there.
[00:01:14]  So it's fun.
[00:01:15]  You guys will see that today.
[00:01:17]  We've also got Lisa Elizabeth.
[00:01:19]  Hi guys.
[00:01:20]  So happy to be back.
[00:01:21]  Ruby knows I booked for this show.
[00:01:22]  I'm really happy to beat up on the leftists today since they never show up.
[00:01:27]  So Luke, thanks for coming.
[00:01:29]  I really do appreciate you being here, but let's get into it.
[00:01:33]  We have it.
[00:01:33]  Alright, so we were talking a little bit before we got started.
[00:01:38]  We were talking about some of the repercussions from having Donald Trump win as opposed to having Kamala Harris.
[00:01:47]  There's a lot of people that are on the right that people on the right would consider being persecuted.
[00:01:54]  Some people were put in jail.
[00:01:55]  A lot of people were questioning whether free speech was under attack by the left.
[00:02:03]  So why don't you go ahead and articulate your position, Luke?
[00:02:07]  What do you think?
[00:02:07]  About whether or not people were being persecuted?
[00:02:10]  Yeah.
[00:02:10]  So when we were talking before the show, we were talking about how I was saying how I want to punish the left the way that they punished the right.
[00:02:19]  The way you think they did.
[00:02:20]  No, the way they did.
[00:02:22]  Like to where we felt unsafe.
[00:02:24]  Like I live in Philadelphia and you couldn't have a Trump sticker on your car because they would smash the windows out.
[00:02:29]  They burnt cars, right?
[00:02:30]  They would attack your house.
[00:02:32]  They would physically harm you or say things to you or be nasty to you.
[00:02:36]  We had like elected representatives saying like, you know, attack these, not attack these people.
[00:02:41]  I thought I was just to confront these people at the street, at the gas station, in the grocery store, right?
[00:02:46]  Referring to Maxine Waters.
[00:02:47]  Right, correct.
[00:02:48]  Specifically.
[00:02:48]  And we felt like we were getting kicked off of every social media platform.
[00:02:52]  I was considered a, quote, hate agent on Facebook and was, like, not allowed to have one, period.
[00:02:57]  Right?
[00:02:57]  Like, a hate agent.
[00:02:58]  All for posting a picture.
[00:02:59]  I didn't post any commentary.
[00:03:00]  I just posted a picture on the thing.
[00:03:02]  And they canceled it forever.
[00:03:04]  It wasn't until I got my—I went to work for The Hill again.
[00:03:06]  I got my congressional email back.
[00:03:07]  Was I able to have it?
[00:03:08]  Like, they censored us.
[00:03:10]  They isolated us.
[00:03:11]  It was almost like, you know how you guys accuse us of being in a cult all the time?
[00:03:15]  Yeah.
[00:03:15]  It's almost like you guys are in the cold.
[00:03:18]  You can't be friends with any right wing people.
[00:03:21]  You can't agree with them at all.
[00:03:22]  You're isolating the opposition.
[00:03:24]  If you're all not on the same page, it's a problem.
[00:03:27]  We can at least criticize our people.
[00:03:30]  We can criticize the president.
[00:03:32]  We don't isolate anybody.
[00:03:34]  We're willing to talk to you, and we don't threaten you with violence.
[00:03:38]  And you can bring up January 6th or whatever, but it really felt like— We need to get into that for sure.
[00:03:42]  Yeah, but it really felt like if you were on the right, you were a pariah in society.
[00:03:48]  Can you see that in your comments section about me?
[00:03:50]  So, first off, political violence of any kind, if you're saying that someone attacks your car or something because there's a MAGA sticker, that's insane.
[00:03:56]  They shouldn't do that.
[00:03:57]  It is important to remember that the data show that right-wing political violence is far more...
[00:04:02]  A fake data.
[00:04:03]  ...political violence.
[00:04:04]  Well, I'm just going to finish the point.
[00:04:05]  She went for a while there.
[00:04:06]  And then, yeah, you bring up January 6th.
[00:04:08]  That's an instance of political violence.
[00:04:10]  But...
[00:04:11]  What you need to understand about something I've explained to Isabel before is that to understand our political analysis of two different relevant prominent leaders, you have to at least limit it for some logical discussions to the leaders we're talking about, not vibes and abstract perceptions of an entire side, because on any side, people will do crazy stuff.
[00:04:32]  But abstract perceptions, like look at the BLM riots for months, that's largely left-wing activists.
[00:04:37]  How come it's that big?
[00:04:38]  Believed that if you committed crimes, you should be held accountable for them.
[00:04:41]  That's not true.
[00:04:44]  Unlike Trump actually wanting to pardon people who were violent on January 6th.
[00:04:49]  But I will say, in the case of Trump, I'm all for protecting free speech.
[00:04:53]  Y'all will sometimes mix up social media censorship, which if you have a platform, you're on the platform and you have terms of service, we can debate about what those terms of service should be.
[00:05:01]  But that's not the same as government infringing.
[00:05:04]  But the government did infringe, right?
[00:05:05]  I'm just going to complete my point really quickly.
[00:05:08]  It's already getting heated, not even five minutes in.
[00:05:11]  And then finally, I've never heard Vice President Harris advocate for censorship, whereas Trump literally said the government should come down hard on MSNBC.
[00:05:19]  That's your leader of your movement, not just some random person out on social media.
[00:05:23]  Which I disagree with that, by the way.
[00:05:24]  Kamala Harris absolutely said that she was going to look into expropriating Twitter from Elon Musk because he had lost his privilege.
[00:05:34]  These are her words.
[00:05:36]  That's a direct quote.
[00:05:37]  Lost his privilege.
[00:05:39]  Because he was being, I guess the way that she phrased it was, he wasn't doing enough to censor people.
[00:05:49]  She literally said lost his privilege.
[00:05:51]  That is a direct quote, lost.
[00:05:54]  I'm gonna pull it up.
[00:05:55]  Lost his privilege.
[00:05:56]  I haven't even seen that.
[00:05:57]  Right.
[00:05:57]  So that's an actual direct quote from...
[00:05:59]  If you can find her advocating government, you know...
[00:06:03]  Well, the FBI had a desk.
[00:06:04]  They had a portal at Twitter where the FBI could...
[00:06:08]  Under Trump?
[00:06:09]  No, not...
[00:06:09]  It doesn't matter that it was under Trump.
[00:06:11]  I'm just saying...
[00:06:12]  You're talking about something that since social media platforms have existed.
[00:06:15]  It doesn't matter because the FBI – It has happened.
[00:06:17]  It should not – But it's not forcing them.
[00:06:18]  It does not matter.
[00:06:19]  The FBI is not in a position to tell private companies who they should and shouldn't censor.
[00:06:24]  That's illegal.
[00:06:25]  So I'm asking you.
[00:06:27]  You're saying that Trump's administration was engaging in illegal behavior?
[00:06:30]  I'm telling you the FBI, and it doesn't matter if it was Trump's administration.
[00:06:33]  No, it does matter.
[00:06:33]  No, it doesn't.
[00:06:34]  No, it doesn't.
[00:06:35]  I'll explain to you why it doesn't matter.
[00:06:37]  I'll explain to you why it doesn't matter.
[00:06:38]  There has always been between private and public entities, communication, sharing of information in some cases.
[00:06:44]  This is obviously stating the point.
[00:06:45]  Let me just explain the dang part.
[00:06:47]  You're absolutely obviously stating the point of the- Listen to what I'm saying though.
[00:06:51]  Wait, let him finish though.
[00:06:53]  Listen, I'm saying that I agree if the FBI said, "We're going to punish you, Twitter or Facebook or something.
[00:06:59]  If you don't censor stuff we want you to censor, that would be a huge problem." Them going also under the Trump administration because Trump was upset that some actress called him a...
[00:07:08]  That's a mean word.
[00:07:09]  And they went and requested, hey, we think this violates your terms of service, which anyone with connections at Twitter can do.
[00:07:15]  Hey, does this violate terms of service?
[00:07:17]  Because you might want to take it down.
[00:07:17]  And then what we've seen is the percentages of the actual posts they end up taking down proves that they're not feeling threatened because a lot of the ones that the government will go, hey, is this against your terms of service?
[00:07:26]  Like, I guess the FBI example, then the social media platforms don't even do it.
[00:07:31]  So they're not even pressured enough to do all the requests.
[00:07:33]  If there were pressure, then I would agree with you.
[00:07:35]  There is pressure.
[00:07:36]  There is fundamental pressure.
[00:07:38]  Just the existence of the FBI saying, hey, you should do this.
[00:07:43]  Can you look at this?
[00:07:44]  When the government asks, that is pressure.
[00:07:46]  To say that it's not is ridiculous.
[00:07:49]  You don't hold that principle on a bunch of other things.
[00:07:51]  Let me explain to you why.
[00:07:53]  I used to work for Congress.
[00:07:54]  I used to do casework.
[00:07:54]  I was explaining this to Isabella the other day.
[00:07:56]  We would advocate for our constituents.
[00:07:58]  And sometimes we would have to advocate for our constituents to, say, like American Airlines or a company that wasn't a federal agency.
[00:08:07]  And when we did that, we had to make sure we said, can you give this request consideration, full and fair consideration under the law?
[00:08:14]  However, even though we put that stipulation in there, we knew by the government coming to ask them that we were exerting pressure because they're like, oh, a congressman asked for this to happen.
[00:08:25]  Right.
[00:08:25]  And what happens is, is that they know that if you have histories of not complying, that they can come and like investigate your business.
[00:08:33]  And they've been doing that.
[00:08:34]  The DOJ, don't they have an open investigation under X right now?
[00:08:37]  I would love to flesh out that principle because it feels like you really limitedly apply it.
[00:08:43]  For example, Trump, because he doesn't like certain coverage, saying CBS should be taken off the air, ABC should be taken off the air, and saying the MSNBC should be targeted by the government.
[00:08:51]  Explicitly his words.
[00:08:52]  You can look up the true social.
[00:08:53]  Yeah, he did.
[00:08:54]  Does anyone here agree?
[00:08:54]  I don't think that's okay.
[00:08:56]  None of y'all are fixated on that.
[00:08:58]  Whereas Harris, I still haven't seen the clip.
[00:09:01]  I just pulled it up, but I'm seeing here that, like, it's a fact check, not totally accurate.
[00:09:05]  So I want to be good about what it says.
[00:09:08]  And Cal and I put it in the thing, but you can look.
[00:09:10]  Again, yeah.
[00:09:11]  So I'm sure there's some random lefties who are too pro-censorship or something like that, but I'm looking at people in positions of power because then I know that they're actually relevant to political discourse.
[00:09:18]  Trump's the only one I've heard overtly calling for censorship, which is why he would be the more anti-free speech candidate.
[00:09:23]  Okay, so here's what I want to say to that, right?
[00:09:26]  When I tell you that, like, mass people, and they've shown data to support this, were being pulled off of social media outlets, right?
[00:09:32]  Like, they were the ones.
[00:09:33]  If you look at the data, there is another graph, too, that shows now that Elon Musk bought Twitter, it's an even split.
[00:09:39]  It's almost identical.
[00:09:41]  It was a CNN. It was a CNN, right?
[00:09:43]  Of people using the platform.
[00:09:44]  And before it was skewed so far to the left.
[00:09:47]  And that is not because of usage.
[00:09:49]  That is because they were deactivating so many accounts for A lot of it's because of liberals not using the platform anymore.
[00:09:56]  But I'm also, I've looked into that as well.
[00:09:58]  So what, they went to Blue Sky in the last month?
[00:10:00]  Like, there's been analyses that have demonstrated that it's because right-wingers violate the term service.
[00:10:05]  Now, you could say the term service should be different, and that's totally fine.
[00:10:08]  And I have issues with term service sometimes whenever videos of mine get taken down or whatever, but that's different than the left or Democrats have.
[00:10:15]  So now, I want to push back on that idea.
[00:10:18]  Do you understand the distinction, though?
[00:10:19]  I mean, the point that I'm making, though, is when you say violate the terms of service, this speaks to something that actually Tim made a point about when he was on the Joe Rogan podcast, right?
[00:10:31]  So if you say, like, if you make remarks about trans people, if you say, if you deadname someone, that is something that you could get, you could lose your Twitter account, you could get locked out for deadnaming.
[00:10:42]  But that isn't because of, that's an ideological position, right?
[00:10:46]  That's not like if you say, oh, you're violating the terms of service because you're harassing someone because you deadnamed them.
[00:10:52]  That's an ideological position.
[00:10:54]  It's not like causing harassment.
[00:10:56]  The terms of service were so vague.
[00:10:59]  Yeah, they're ambiguous.
[00:11:01]  If the people making the judgment about the terms of service are ideologically...
[00:11:06]  I just agree with you.
[00:11:07]  Of course.
[00:11:08]  You just said that it was...
[00:11:09]  What is racism?
[00:11:11]  What are these different things?
[00:11:13]  What is hate speech?
[00:11:14]  All of that's going to be completely subjective, obviously.
[00:11:17]  That's just the way that private platforms...
[00:11:19]  The only way that you can make this a constitutional issue is if you...
[00:11:22]  If you, like, nationalized social media platforms.
[00:11:25]  No, no, because the government trying to use a third party to censor is illegal as well.
[00:11:32]  And that's something that Supreme Court has found.
[00:11:33]  So if the government is pressuring social media companies to block people or to, you know, boot them off the platform, that's a violation of their constitutional rights, too.
[00:11:44]  So you can't say that, oh, the only way...
[00:11:46]  I agree they shouldn't pressure...
[00:11:48]  You're also not really making a right or left issue because that's something that I am.
[00:11:53]  I don't a lot.
[00:11:54]  I don't.
[00:11:54]  Trump actually says it more overtly.
[00:11:55]  So it sounds like you're from the Democratic Party.
[00:11:57]  I don't have.
[00:11:58]  Go ahead.
[00:11:59]  I'm just a bunch of Democrats then.
[00:12:01]  Awesome.
[00:12:01]  Because I remember a few years ago, congressional Democrats putting pressure on social media company owners to start censorship.
[00:12:07]  And even just right before the 2024 election, Adam Schiff, what did Trump call him?
[00:12:12]  Shifty Schiff with his long neck, whatever.
[00:12:14]  Pencil neck Schiff.
[00:12:15]  watermelon head he demands social media companies take action in advance of 2024 election to address spread of election misinformation which they also did with covid they were censoring doctors and anyone that was had different opinions regarding the efficacy of the covid vaccine and and the misinformation right they censored the new york post right so here's the difference right you're circling and circling and circling i'm getting i'm getting to your point that's That's what I want to do.
[00:12:40]  Do you consider...
[00:12:42]  Like social media, the town square at this point in our given digital age society.
[00:12:47]  Like back in the day, think about like in the 1800s, everybody go to the corner and talk, right?
[00:12:50]  And if you removed somebody from that square and they couldn't talk anymore, right, then you would be violating their First Amendment right, right?
[00:12:59]  Like they can't, oh, you can't, you're not allowed to say that like here on the street corner.
[00:13:02]  And so that is the difference.
[00:13:05]  Like right now, our street corner, where our public discourse is being done, is being done on Twitter.
[00:13:10]  So they're trying to have it both ways.
[00:13:12]  They're trying to say, everybody can speak here, and they're putting these arbitrary rules in, which, you know, sometimes you were banned for no reason.
[00:13:20]  They, they, they.
[00:13:21]  The companies, these private companies, right?
[00:13:22]  But that's the difference.
[00:13:23]  They're either the town square or they're a private company.
[00:13:26]  They're trying to have it both ways.
[00:13:28]  They're technically and legally not the town square, even though I agree they have a huge impact in our political discourse.
[00:13:32]  Right.
[00:13:32]  Until we fundamentally change our laws again, you could only do it if you nationalize, you're going to have private companies just like a business that you walk in and you can't wear it without shoes or you can't go to the store without certain attire on.
[00:13:45]  They're going to be able to regulate their own platforms just in our...
[00:13:48]  In our free society, that's going to be the situation.
[00:13:51]  So then advocate for them at different terms of service.
[00:13:54]  If you're upset with the— Well, we're advocating.
[00:13:56]  Jason Fick is trying to, like, tackle 230 right now.
[00:13:59]  So advocate away, but y'all then attach this to the political parties in a way that makes no sense when only one of the political parties candidate actually advocates for censorship.
[00:14:08]  No, they did.
[00:14:09]  That's not true.
[00:14:10]  Who is largely being censored?
[00:14:12]  Democrats and Republicans, come on.
[00:14:14]  You can make a good point, right?
[00:14:16]  It's fine to make a point, but then you followed up the blatant lie.
[00:14:20]  The blatant lie.
[00:14:22]  Only one party advocates for political censorship.
[00:14:26]  It's the most ridiculous, blatant lie that I've heard in this kind of...
[00:14:30]  I use the word censorship really, really specifically.
[00:14:36]  So I'm talking about governmental censorship.
[00:14:38]  And that's what you haven't demonstrated.
[00:14:39]  But I have demonstrated that Trump has called for governmental censorship.
[00:14:42]  There's a portal.
[00:14:43]  There has been like an actual congressional investigation into it.

=== Political Keywords Censorship (07:20) ===

[00:14:47]  Yes, public and private entities will communicate.
[00:14:49]  Not only that.
[00:14:49]  All the time about so many things.
[00:14:51]  Zuckerberg came out and said he's self-censored.
[00:14:53]  Making an apology for it is not the same as saying it doesn't happen.
[00:14:56]  But again, so then you're just as upset at the Republican Party as the Democratic Party?
[00:14:59]  No, don't you?
[00:15:00]  At Trump?
[00:15:00]  You're mad at Trump because Trump's administration did that too?
[00:15:02]  Fine.
[00:15:02]  No, I'm not.
[00:15:02]  I want him to go harder.
[00:15:03]  I want him to censor all of them.
[00:15:05]  See, okay.
[00:15:05]  As a matter of fact, I disagree with Lisa on that.
[00:15:08]  Everybody disagrees with me on that though.
[00:15:10]  But that's because I'm vindictive.
[00:15:11]  That's because I'm vindictive, right?
[00:15:13]  My thing is that we've played nice.
[00:15:15]  We're like, oh, everybody follow the rules.
[00:15:16]  But then the Democrats don't.
[00:15:17]  And there was a whole congressional investigation.
[00:15:20]  Zuckerberg admitted to feeling censored.
[00:15:23]  Oh, and there were definitely things done wrong in the...
[00:15:25]  No, no.
[00:15:25]  He was talking about, yeah, in that time, people overstepped on social media and the banning and stuff of people.
[00:15:31]  Totally.
[00:15:31]  Right, but it was largely geared towards people on the right being censored.
[00:15:36]  Zuckerberg said...
[00:15:37]  Yeah, medical misinformation, which I agree sometimes people were...
[00:15:40]  They clearly got wrong, right?
[00:15:42]  So the right was being censored.
[00:15:45]  He admits it.
[00:15:46]  So now, I'm like, they have been punishing us.
[00:15:49]  They targeted...
[00:15:49]  The IRS targeted...
[00:15:50]  The IRS targeted how many people with conservative groups?
[00:15:53]  That came out, right?
[00:15:55]  I mean, I was there for that scandal.
[00:15:56]  They have been targeting us forever.
[00:15:58]  You don't remember that?
[00:15:59]  Where the IRS targeted non-promising people?
[00:16:02]  Oh yeah, he was 10. See, I was on the hill forever.
[00:16:04]  It was under Obama, right?
[00:16:05]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:16:06]  It was in 2010, 2011, 2012. I thought we were about to go to the 87,000 IRS talking point.
[00:16:11]  No, no, no.
[00:16:12]  This is the IRS when they targeted religion.
[00:16:15]  Anybody that's had like Patriot or Christian or God or Jesus in their 501c3 applications, they were totally pushed off so that they couldn't...
[00:16:26]  I'm almost certain that's not true.
[00:16:27]  What are you talking about?
[00:16:30]  That's ridiculous.
[00:16:31]  I can't believe you just said I'm almost certain that's not true.
[00:16:33]  The IRS targets conservative scandal.
[00:16:36]  Just Google it.
[00:16:36]  It'll come up.
[00:16:37]  Google the name Lois Lerner.
[00:16:38]  I swear on all my kids.
[00:16:39]  They were kicking people out of being non-profits?
[00:16:42]  They were not approving.
[00:16:45]  There's a Wikipedia on it.
[00:16:47]  Bring that up on the thing.
[00:16:48]  Specific 501c3s that had these buzzwords.
[00:16:51]  They were putting the pressure on them.
[00:16:53]  No one wants to have the IRS Pull Wikipedia on it.
[00:16:57]  Almost sure you're positive it's not true?
[00:16:59]  Give me a break.
[00:17:00]  I gotta read it.
[00:17:00]  Holy smokes.
[00:17:01]  Yeah, it was really bad.
[00:17:02]  And so I feel like I'm older than you.
[00:17:04]  An exhaustive report released by the Treasury Department's Inspector General in 2017 found that from 2004 to 2013, the IRS used both conservative and liberal keywords to choose targets.
[00:17:13]  It was overwhelmingly...
[00:17:15]  Wait, wait, wait.
[00:17:17]  Just because you're going for the first...
[00:17:19]  Read the whole thing.
[00:17:20]  If you want to talk about the whole thing, then read the whole thing.
[00:17:23]  Don't get to one line that says that it wasn't just one.
[00:17:27]  Some liberal groups were selected, but it was overwhelmingly conservative.
[00:17:32]  It was just what you just said.
[00:17:35]  No, keep going.
[00:17:38]  It was overwhelmingly conservative.
[00:17:41]  And it was to the point where they admitted that they did it and that it was wrong.
[00:17:44]  I don't know which...
[00:17:44]  Clearly not.
[00:17:46]  No, keep going.
[00:17:48]  Here, I have a clip that I can send.
[00:17:50]  I've found a couple congressional clips.
[00:17:51]  It was so bad.
[00:17:53]  So anyway, I feel like I've been persecuted, right?
[00:17:56]  For the last...
[00:17:57]  Since 2008. I remember when...
[00:17:59]  Listen to this.
[00:18:00]  I remember...
[00:18:00]  That's crazy you brought the heat and then pulled up that article.
[00:18:04]  It's Wikipedia, first of all.
[00:18:05]  It really was.
[00:18:07]  That was awesome for you.
[00:18:08]  No, no, I said to Google it.
[00:18:09]  I didn't say that Wikipedia was the one to bring up.
[00:18:11]  But the point that I'm making to bring up Wikipedia and say that Wikipedia, which is notoriously left-leaning, which is unquestionably notoriously left-leaning.
[00:18:22]  Just the fact that it exists.
[00:18:24]  Y'all's burden of proof on this one.
[00:18:25]  I'll get it.
[00:18:26]  Hold on, let me pull it up.
[00:18:27]  Here, I'll send you a link.
[00:18:28]  Just because you don't recall it happening doesn't mean that it didn't happen.
[00:18:31]  None of these letters call for the targeting of groups on the basis of political ideology.
[00:18:34]  Yes, it did.
[00:18:35]  That happened before your time.
[00:18:36]  IRS targets.
[00:18:37]  I was there.
[00:18:38]  I was sitting in the congressional hearings.
[00:18:39]  I was like on the hill listening to Republicans.
[00:18:41]  Okay, Lisa, I sent you a link.
[00:18:43]  Everybody does.
[00:18:44]  A one-minute link.
[00:18:45]  Oh, my God.
[00:18:45]  I was targeting Tea Party hearing.
[00:18:47]  I don't know.
[00:18:48]  Yeah, it was brutal.
[00:18:49]  Anyway, I feel like this.
[00:18:50]  I feel like I've been—it was in 2008 it started.
[00:18:53]  I remember.
[00:18:53]  I remember.
[00:18:54]  Under the Peace and Unity President Obama who, like, increased race— I was bartending, right?
[00:18:59]  Okay, there's the timeline.
[00:19:01]  Yeah, here we go.
[00:19:02]  You can read that.
[00:19:03]  Yes, because they were using political keywords, as the other thing noted, it sounds like.
[00:19:06]  Again, I'm reading up on this here.
[00:19:09]  Why use political keywords?
[00:19:11]  According to the report, actions taken to change the criteria, right?
[00:19:13]  But it was because conservatives were complaining.
[00:19:16]  It was.
[00:19:17]  It was mainly conservatives.
[00:19:19]  We have a one-minute clip if we want to watch it.
[00:19:21]  I don't know if it's good, but...
[00:19:22]  But it wasn't exclusively that, showing it wouldn't be...
[00:19:25]  Sometimes, like, y'all do this thing where the outcome of something means the intention was something that it wasn't.
[00:19:30]  Oh, stop it.
[00:19:32]  You guys do that.
[00:19:33]  So there might be...
[00:19:34]  That sounds like a leftist policy.
[00:19:36]  They have these intentions, but it actually does the opposite.
[00:19:37]  As a random example, if you put a bunch of political keywords, there might be, I don't know, more non-profits that associate with the right wing that use those over keywords.
[00:19:44]  Well, if you use terms like patriot, I mean, the left doesn't typically consider themselves patriotic.
[00:19:49]  Patriots are Nazis.
[00:19:50]  Because they're trying to find, right, you couldn't have certain tax-exempt status if you are politically active is why they were going after, right?
[00:19:59]  No, they were specifically—it was during the Tea Party era, and they were specifically using heavily more— There's certain rules.
[00:20:05]  Right, okay.
[00:20:06]  There's 501c3s and 501c4s.
[00:20:07]  Yeah, maybe more political buzzwords were used in nonprofits, and that was easier to find.
[00:20:10]  Again, or maybe something was done wrong as well.
[00:20:13]  Sounds like it was.
[00:20:14]  But I don't know how that at all bolsters the point y'all are making.
[00:20:17]  That the government targets conservatives.
[00:20:19]  Yeah, the government targets conservatives more than the targets left.
[00:20:22]  Another thing that I want to actually go back to— Under Trump, apparently.
[00:20:25]  You mentioned the right doesn't do, or the right is where political violence...
[00:20:29]  No, here it is.
[00:20:29]  NPR. Here you go.
[00:20:30]  I'm going to send this up.
[00:20:31]  Because it really is.
[00:20:32]  They actually apologize for it.
[00:20:34]  Kellen, I'm sending this to you right now.
[00:20:35]  Hold on.
[00:20:36]  Pull this up.
[00:20:37]  Also, I think it's an NPR article, so you know NPR's to your side.
[00:20:40]  Yeah.
[00:20:40]  Pull up just the link that I sent you.
[00:20:43]  There's no excuse for the agency's treatments of these groups, and they specifically apologize for aggressive scrutiny of conservative groups.
[00:20:49]  It was more heavily skewed towards...
[00:20:53]  Conservatives.
[00:20:53]  It was.
[00:20:54]  And y'all misarticulated it being the purpose of going after conservatives as opposed to...
[00:20:59]  You can see that this is wrong.
[00:21:00]  No, I told you.
[00:21:01]  They even noted that it was inappropriate.
[00:21:04]  Totally agree then.
[00:21:05]  Yeah, so they noted that it was appropriate.
[00:21:07]  You totally agree because you're totally agreeing now because we finally found something that says that.
[00:21:11]  He didn't have the evidence.
[00:21:12]  He didn't know about it yet.
[00:21:14]  I was hearing you out this whole time.
[00:21:16]  You were doing all you could to say, no, this didn't happen.
[00:21:20]  By the way that that was worded, but they did apologize.
[00:21:22]  They did apologize.
[00:21:24]  I don't know what the—they realized that by using certain political buzzwords to make sure that IRS policies weren't being violated, they were disproportionately harming conservative groups.
[00:21:34]  So then they apologized because of a bunch of uproar.
[00:21:36]  I just want to say— I don't see—so we got justice.
[00:21:39]  Conservatives are just sick and tired of the gaslighting from the left that we're such victims.
[00:21:43]  We're crazy.
[00:21:43]  We're not actually being censored.
[00:21:44]  Yes, we are, and it's been happening for years.
[00:21:47]  It's not even censored.
[00:21:48]  It's being persecuted.
[00:21:49]  Targeted.
[00:21:49]  Specifically.

=== Is That the Biggest Issue Ever? (03:06) ===

[00:21:51]  There's not a whole lot.
[00:21:53]  Trump, I'm sure you're all thinking of, or what do you mean?
[00:21:55]  Yeah, he was impeached twice.
[00:21:57]  No, it was before Trump.
[00:21:57]  This has started happening since 2008. I remember I was bartending.
[00:22:00]  I was a bartender, right?
[00:22:01]  I had a lot of lives, okay?
[00:22:03]  I was bartending.
[00:22:03]  And he won, right?
[00:22:05]  And this girl that was like a party planner came up And she was like, in my face, Obama, Obama, right?
[00:22:12]  And I was in a community college.
[00:22:14]  Stop it, Isabella.
[00:22:17]  She said, all you salty crackers in here.
[00:22:19]  So that's what she said.
[00:22:20]  But she was in my face, right?
[00:22:22]  But then I was walking through the halls of community college and they were like, he won!
[00:22:26]  And would literally come up like they were going to attack you just to scream that Obama won.
[00:22:34]  It was horrible.
[00:22:35]  It was like, whatever.
[00:22:36]  And since then, I have felt a shift to where it was like, we can do whatever, where they have a mandate to treat people who don't agree with us aggressively, and like, you're the scum of the earth.
[00:22:49]  Like, I am tired of being called a bigot, a racist.
[00:22:52]  I was this kid that was like...
[00:22:53]  Mommy, we all bleed the same.
[00:22:55]  Like, it doesn't matter, right?
[00:22:56]  I was that girl.
[00:22:57]  I was the person who was like, I don't care if gay people get married.
[00:22:59]  No, I don't want gay people to adopt kids.
[00:23:01]  I don't want them to be surrogates.
[00:23:03]  I don't want single parents to adopt the kids either.
[00:23:04]  But that's not the point.
[00:23:05]  The point is, is that, like, we didn't care about all these social issues that much.
[00:23:10]  We didn't have any of that until we have been beat down by the left.
[00:23:13]  And I mean, I feel like we've been beat down.
[00:23:15]  So, first of all, I'm sorry that people were treating you some type of way back then.
[00:23:21]  So sweet.
[00:23:21]  You don't have to apologize to me.
[00:23:23]  I would love to show you how MAGA folks treat me.
[00:23:27]  It's happening both ways.
[00:23:29]  Well, now it is.
[00:23:30]  Yeah, of course.
[00:23:30]  But it wasn't like I'm older than you.
[00:23:31]  I'm like 40, right?
[00:23:32]  No.
[00:23:33]  It was not the same then.
[00:23:35]  Again, I'm sure there's all these examples, which I totally acknowledge, of on either side people being totally out of line.
[00:23:43]  But...
[00:23:44]  The insane rhetoric about, as an example, the tool that the anti-gay marriage argument was for so long, the demonization of gay people.
[00:23:54]  Now it's all this tiny percent of the population of trans people are the biggest issue ever and we're going to fear-monger constantly.
[00:23:59]  Is that the biggest issue ever?
[00:24:00]  If you want to be trans, whatever.
[00:24:02]  My point is that for that...
[00:24:05]  You're just expressing your view, right?
[00:24:06]  No, we're just—that's not hateful or the stuff that I get on to Isabella for saying that is super hateful and going after people based on their identity.
[00:24:14]  That is not hate or political attacks to you, but then whenever people respond and are upset with you for having that ideology, now it's, oh, I'm the one being victimized.
[00:24:24]  I don't think we really care about that.
[00:24:25]  But another thing I want to point out is this idea that you can't really be conservative out in the public.
[00:24:30]  When Trump won the first time, I was in college, and they literally shut down all classes.
[00:24:35]  All classes were shut down.
[00:24:36]  There were major protests, like riots in this major college campus, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, very liberal.

=== Instances of Right-Wing Violence (05:05) ===

[00:24:42]  It's like, that doesn't happen when a Democrat wins.
[00:24:44]  So what does that signal to conservatives like me on campus?
[00:24:46]  You need to shut up.
[00:24:47]  Don't say that you support Trump.
[00:24:48]  What do you mean that doesn't happen when Democrats win?
[00:24:50]  And this is a really big thing.
[00:24:51]  It means it doesn't happen when Democrats win.
[00:24:53]  Shut the way!
[00:24:53]  I would much rather, even though I don't want to eat, I didn't even hear what you said.
[00:24:57]  You said at college there was riots?
[00:24:59]  Yes, there was riots, but they shut down all classes because Trump won and kids needed mental health.
[00:25:03]  No, no, they had safe spaces.
[00:25:05]  Trying to riot, you said that doesn't happen when Democrats win, to block the certification of an election would be a little bit more destructive than rioting at a college.
[00:25:12]  Okay, let's talk about that.
[00:25:13]  You have that one individual instance?
[00:25:16]  No, no, I don't want you to explain why.
[00:25:17]  I want you to talk about another time that there were riots when a Democrat won.
[00:25:21]  So, right-wing political violence, You can look it up.
[00:25:23]  It's more prevalent.
[00:25:24]  This is not true at all.
[00:25:25]  Google it.
[00:25:25]  Google it.
[00:25:26]  All of the riots that happened during 2020, those were not right-wing riots.
[00:25:31]  Those were left-wing violence.
[00:25:32]  Correct.
[00:25:32]  The people that were murdered by leftists, that was not right-wing violence.
[00:25:36]  That was left-wing violence.
[00:25:37]  The CEO that was just murdered the other day in New York was not because of right-wing violence.
[00:25:46]  What about Steve Scalise getting shot?
[00:25:49]  My boss was there that day.
[00:25:52]  Steve Scalise, they specifically said this is for healthcare.
[00:25:55]  Rand Paul getting attacked on his neighbor.
[00:25:57]  I know probably when this gets uploadable, we'll know more about that.
[00:26:01]  I haven't heard yet the political motivation.
[00:26:03]  I don't care what his political motivation is.
[00:26:05]  It's likely that it was an anti-capitalist type kind of thing because of the writing on the bullet casings that he had denied.
[00:26:14]  If so, that would be horrible.
[00:26:15]  I mean, it was horrible no matter what the motivation was.
[00:26:18]  But No, no, no.
[00:26:38]  It's not this thing.
[00:26:39]  Yes, that is it.
[00:26:40]  Authorities go through a process to figure out what the motivation, obviously, what the motive of a murder or an assault was.
[00:26:47]  And if they have evidence that it was politically motivated, then it's classified that then we categorize and we learn that, oh, left-wing violence is far less prevalent than right-wing violence.
[00:26:54]  Do you have any examples?
[00:26:57]  Can you articulate what anyone means by right-wing violence?
[00:27:02]  When you hear the argument or the statistics saying, oh, it's right-wing violence, can you articulate what they mean by right-wing violence?
[00:27:13]  Not by violence.
[00:27:14]  Can you articulate what the motivation was that falls under right-wing?
[00:27:24]  You're not going to like being associated with, for example, white supremacist attacks, right?
[00:27:30]  I agree.
[00:27:32]  How frequently are white supremacist attacks going on?
[00:27:34]  I'm assuming that's why you're bringing this up.
[00:27:36]  Conservatives don't even like them either.
[00:27:38]  Just listen if you're going to ask a...
[00:27:40]  Sorry, sorry.
[00:27:41]  So I'm explaining that I agree whenever I start going through and explaining what the different instances of right-wing violence might be.
[00:27:48]  It might be anti-government from a right-wing perspective.
[00:27:50]  It might be racist-driven attacks.
[00:27:54]  You're going to go, well, that's not right-wing.
[00:27:55]  That's just crazy.
[00:27:57]  But the same thing happens on the left.
[00:27:58]  If it's anything that's left of center as an ideology, they categorize as a left-wing attack.
[00:28:02]  I don't associate with people who...
[00:28:04]  Looted during Black Lives Matter.
[00:28:06]  Okay, well, here's a question, though.
[00:28:07]  But that doesn't dispute at all what I'm saying.
[00:28:09]  Do you think that the riots that were happening during Black Lives Matter, do you think those count as left-wing violence?
[00:28:16]  Yeah, people who—yeah, of course.
[00:28:17]  Okay, so how many instances of right-wing violence— Well, let me clarify before, though.
[00:28:20]  I bet you can name one.
[00:28:21]  People who got violent who were doing it on behalf of— They felt like they were doing it to send a message about how— Stuff is messed up with policing or something.
[00:28:30]  Those would be categorized as such.
[00:28:32]  A lot of people who were committing crimes, though, just knew there were going to be a lot of protests, and so they sort of took advantage of the moment that happens.
[00:28:39]  Every time there's unrest, people will go and loot, and they're not a part of the political ideology at all.
[00:28:44]  But what?
[00:28:45]  How many?
[00:28:46]  Let me ask my question.
[00:28:47]  Do you think that it's likely the people that were looting were conservatives?
[00:28:51]  What?
[00:28:51]  I said, do you think it's like the apolitical?
[00:28:54]  Some people were taking advantage of the situation.
[00:28:57]  But then, if anyone was rioting, you're not even trying to hear what I'm saying.
[00:29:03]  I'm admitting people who committed violence on behalf of a left-wing ideology then should be categorized as left-wing extremists who committed left-wing violence, which they will be, and that's still not as prevalent, not even close, to right-wing political.
[00:29:17]  My turn.
[00:29:18]  My turn.
[00:29:19]  That's not my opinion.
[00:29:20]  I'm just talking about the research on this.
[00:29:21]  You're talking about research.
[00:29:22]  I want you to name for me three instances that you can think of, three separate instances of right-wing political violence.
[00:29:30]  Okay.
[00:29:30]  Three.

=== Procedure Interrupted (15:44) ===

[00:29:32]  Mark Kelly's wife.
[00:29:35]  Who's Mark Kelly?
[00:29:36]  The Arizona senator.
[00:29:39]  I don't know who that is.
[00:29:41]  Yeah.
[00:29:42]  What happened to that?
[00:29:43]  Oh, that was the shooting.
[00:29:46]  And then Paul Pelosi.
[00:29:48]  And then January 6th.
[00:29:50]  Paul Pelosi.
[00:29:51]  And then January 6th.
[00:29:54]  Actually, let's get to that because you think you're being really smug about this.
[00:29:57]  Do you understand why it's bad to try to block the peaceful transfer power?
[00:30:00]  Time out, time out, time out.
[00:30:01]  Okay, no, hold on.
[00:30:01]  I'm smug about this because you don't care about maintaining the core process of a democracy.
[00:30:07]  I don't know anything about what I care about, so I don't know where you get off.
[00:30:11]  Your tone makes it very clear.
[00:30:13]  My tone comes from the fact that you continue bringing up January 6th over and over and over and over.
[00:30:19]  It's not just about that day.
[00:30:20]  Would you like me to explain it to you?
[00:30:22]  Yes.
[00:30:22]  Whenever someone loses an election and doesn't have any overwhelming evidence, or any evidence at all, of outcome-determinative voter fraud, and then justifies, and I can't wait for you to pull the thing that I know you're going to pull up because every person thinks they're going to dispute what I'm saying by pulling it up and I'll say it doesn't at all refute it, but then you go through multiple allegedly illegal and I can't wait for you to pull the thing that I know you're going to pull up because every person thinks they're going to dispute what I'm saying by pulling Then you go through multiple allegedly illegal schemes that now he's not going to be prosecuted for because he's becoming president, but to block the peaceful transfer power.
[00:30:46]  Just forget January 6th for a second.
[00:30:48]  The fake elector scheme that she wanted to talk about is an example of him trying to get unlawful people who did sign forms saying we're the lawful electors, and then he was pressuring Mike Pence to accept those as the real electorate.
[00:31:03]  You're going through the details about the things that led up to January 6th, the illegal actions that led up to January 6th, as opposed to the political violence.
[00:31:14]  So you're bringing up the bad...
[00:31:16]  I'm explaining.
[00:31:19]  It's actually not just about the violence.
[00:31:20]  The more consequential democratically thing is...
[00:31:24]  Is the illegal schemes.
[00:31:25]  Or trying to get the Brad Raffensperger.
[00:31:28]  Yes.
[00:31:28]  This is what I want to talk about.
[00:31:29]  She's about to intellectually commit right-wing violence.
[00:31:32]  So you're having a problem with Democrats, A, not admitting the election.
[00:31:38]  Hillary Clinton did say that the election was stolen.
[00:31:40]  She always says.
[00:31:41]  Russia, Russia, Russia.
[00:31:43]  Illegitimate.
[00:31:43]  Illegitimate, right?
[00:31:44]  And then we had actual members of Congress...
[00:31:47]  Do you want to explain or can I just explain to you now why that's not at all?
[00:31:50]  Why is it not the same?
[00:31:51]  I'm not bringing up, even though I think it was vile because they were doing it because of lies, I'm not bringing up the fact that senators objected or congresspeople objected the result.
[00:31:58]  That actually is a power they have in Congress.
[00:32:01]  I'm talking about fraudulent electors.
[00:32:02]  The fact that that distinction is not one that y'all understand.
[00:32:05]  It's semantics.
[00:32:08]  Semantics.
[00:32:08]  You're saying it's okay for Democrats to object to election results.
[00:32:13]  First, let me explain the Electoral College to you.
[00:32:15]  So, you're talking about the certification of the electoral count?
[00:32:19]  Correct.
[00:32:19]  We got here because of political violence, not because of procedural stuff.
[00:32:23]  That's not what you're talking about.
[00:32:24]  Which one would you like me to address?
[00:32:25]  We got here because of political violence, and you moved it to procedure.
[00:32:29]  Because you multiple times have taken shots about my fixation on January 6th, which I'm fixated, so that's why I want to talk about it.
[00:32:34]  And to your point, you're talking about whenever members of Congress, which is a part of their constitutional authority, it's bad to wield that authority when you don't have a basis to, but they do have the ability to object to the electoral count.
[00:32:47]  Their constituents on January 6th were asking their representatives to do that.
[00:32:52]  That's what that was.
[00:32:53]  Okay, and I haven't brought up once members of Congress objecting.
[00:32:56]  No, but why do you think the people were there?
[00:32:58]  The people were wanting their elected members to do that.
[00:33:01]  They're asking them.
[00:33:01]  That's why they're protesting.
[00:33:02]  So you're completely mixing up two completely different things all together.
[00:33:07]  That is the electoral count being certified.
[00:33:10]  I'm talking about...
[00:33:12]  A president getting people to assert themselves as the electors, the actual electors, not let's dispute the certification of the election, but let's get illegal electors counted as the Electoral College.
[00:33:27]  Please tell me that separation makes sense in your brain.
[00:33:29]  That makes sense.
[00:33:30]  But that's what Trump tried to do.
[00:33:31]  That's not what he tried to do.
[00:33:33]  It is so overwhelmingly that he doesn't even deny it.
[00:33:37]  No, he's asking people – he said this was a fraudulent election.
[00:33:41]  No, stop bringing up Congress.
[00:33:43]  I'm saying – I'm not saying that.
[00:33:45]  Individuals who've been prosecuted in certain states for being fraudulent electors, they literally signed forms saying, I am the dutifully elected elector from the state of Wisconsin.
[00:33:53]  And he asked people to do that.
[00:33:54]  That's what you're saying.
[00:33:55]  He got them.
[00:33:55]  Where's the evidence of that?
[00:33:56]  And then what do you think he wanted Mike Pence to do?
[00:33:58]  Where's the evidence of that?
[00:33:58]  What do you think he wanted Mike Pence to do?
[00:33:59]  He wanted Mike Pence to do what those – Read two indictments.
[00:34:01]  That's where the evidence is.
[00:34:02]  He wants him to assert his power like Congress and not certify the election.
[00:34:07]  He wanted Mike to say he was counting the non-electors that weren't lawfully sent by the states.
[00:34:14]  Let me say it.
[00:34:15]  Random people.
[00:34:16]  Do you know how many?
[00:34:17]  Do you know how many?
[00:34:18]  It's crazy y'all are okay with that.
[00:34:19]  Imagine that's what Biden started doing.
[00:34:21]  Wait a minute.
[00:34:21]  Were you okay?
[00:34:22]  You understand?
[00:34:22]  Wait a minute.
[00:34:23]  Is that crazy?
[00:34:23]  I'm fascinated by the fact that this conversation has turned to January 6th.
[00:34:28]  Wait, were you okay with...
[00:34:29]  I will talk about this every time until y'all admit trying to block the peaceful transfer power is bad.
[00:34:35]  Yes.
[00:34:35]  Will you admit that boarding up the walls in Philadelphia?
[00:34:38]  Because yes, I will.
[00:34:39]  One particular thing that you...
[00:34:40]  We were talking about political violence and now we've turned...
[00:34:44]  We've trained from political violence on the left versus the right to procedure about January 6th.
[00:34:52]  Procedure?
[00:34:52]  Oh, okay.
[00:34:54]  Let's just...
[00:34:54]  Let's all take a breath together.
[00:34:56]  First, you cannot change the—you're trying to deflect the fact that you went from—we were talking about violence, and you changed the subject.
[00:35:02]  You are the one who brought up January 6th when I alluded to that violence.
[00:35:06]  No, you're the one that brought up January 6th because she asked you for three options, and one of them was January 6th, and so we started talking about the violence on January 6th, and then you said, well, no, let's talk about the illegal actions of President Trump.
[00:35:19]  Yeah.
[00:35:21]  That's changing the subject from political violence to a procedure that was...
[00:35:26]  You know why though?
[00:35:28]  Because you went, all you can think about is January 6th.
[00:35:30]  Sorry, I don't want to do your words.
[00:35:31]  That's silly.
[00:35:32]  And I went and I was...
[00:35:34]  He has to do that because we know that left-wing political violence is way more prevalent than right-wing.
[00:35:39]  That's why I stopped talking.
[00:35:41]  You have a peaceful transition of conversation to...
[00:35:44]  Move on from that fact.
[00:35:45]  I know you were looking up earlier.
[00:35:45]  Can you show them the research on political violence?
[00:35:49]  Because y'all keep really having a difficult...
[00:35:51]  I want to see how they determine it.
[00:35:53]  Anyway.
[00:35:53]  The two things that he mentioned before...
[00:35:56]  Hold on a second.
[00:35:56]  But we can name 30. You can barely name three.
[00:35:58]  Hold on.
[00:35:59]  I don't care about the anecdotes.
[00:36:00]  I care about the actual...
[00:36:01]  Hold on.
[00:36:04]  Hey, hold on.
[00:36:04]  The three things that he mentioned, right?
[00:36:06]  So there was the Mark Kelly's, Mark Kelly's wife, I forget what her name was, where she was shot, right?
[00:36:12]  And then there was...
[00:36:13]  Paul Pelosi.
[00:36:13]  Paul Pelosi.
[00:36:14]  Yep.
[00:36:15]  Both of those people, they were, as much as he's going to say they were politically motivated, it's likely that they were not politically motivated in the same way.
[00:36:25]  Are you actually kidding me?
[00:36:26]  In the same...
[00:36:27]  Paul Pelosi?
[00:36:27]  Stop, stop, stop, stop.
[00:36:29]  Stop.
[00:36:29]  The guy literally said, I need to make Nancy Pelosi answer for the stolen election.
[00:36:35]  He literally said that.
[00:36:35]  Where do you think that comes from?
[00:36:37]  Gay lover.
[00:36:40]  Paul Pelosi's attacker and the other person, I believe he was in his underwear or something, so they were both mentally ill people.
[00:36:50]  If they were politically motivated, they were not politically active people that were involved in consistent...
[00:37:01]  Consistent political activities.
[00:37:02]  They were both wrong.
[00:37:04]  They were both absolutely wrong.
[00:37:06]  And they both did make remarks about politics.
[00:37:10]  But when you say that the right is more responsible for political violence, that's ignoring things like all of the bombings in the 70s by the by the Weather Underground, right?
[00:37:21]  The multiple times that cut the two times in the 80s that Congress itself was bombed the two times that Congress itself was bombed in the 80s that that that Bill Clinton went and Let me know what I can respond.
[00:37:35]  Well, the point that I'm making is you're saying that, oh, it's political violence when you're dealing with individuals, right, that are, you know, obviously they're bad, condemn it, and they did make remarks about politics.
[00:37:47]  But that's not the same thing as these things don't rise to the level of an entire summer of political violence.
[00:37:54]  The murders that have happened by people on the left.
[00:37:58]  So it's destroyed, like cities destroyed because who wants to move to a city?
[00:38:01]  Those are included in the studies I'm talking about.
[00:38:02]  But I also want to point out that violence is just way more accepted on the left.
[00:38:06]  For example, and I put this clip as like the second link on the doc I sent you if we want to pull it up.
[00:38:10]  Nick Fuentes is banned off so many things.
[00:38:12]  He doesn't actually literally say like, you should die and all these.
[00:38:15]  He makes jokes and stuff.
[00:38:16]  But Destiny was dead serious.
[00:38:18]  He's still fine.
[00:38:19]  He's still on every single platform because it's okay.
[00:38:21]  You can call for literal death as long as you're a left winger.
[00:38:24]  That's true.
[00:38:24]  That's true.
[00:38:25]  Can I just have like a little bit of, just a little gap of time to quickly go through a couple things?
[00:38:29]  Yeah, go ahead.
[00:38:29]  Take it away, Luke.
[00:38:31]  Don't let anybody interrupt him.
[00:38:32]  First of all, I totally agree discussing that Destiny said that.
[00:38:35]  Yes.
[00:38:36]  Also, I would love to explain at some point my framework of random people online versus people in positions of power and the difference there that, I agree, anyone across the pool's spectrum advocating for violence would be bad.
[00:38:47]  To your point, I... I don't know how to – I don't really know where to go other than saying I've researched this over and over and every time this is analyzed.
[00:38:56]  It just is the case even with the instances you're talking about, which I oppose, that right-wing political violence is more prevalent.
[00:39:03]  But then on why I focus so much on January 6th and the trying to block the peaceful transfer power, you did reference you're obsessed with that, which is why I wanted to explain why I'm obsessed with it because I don't think any policy issue matters if we don't all agree on – Our democratic process, and that's what Trump disputed.
[00:39:20]  Trump actually thinks he should have just gotten a second term even though he lost the election.
[00:39:23]  That's super anti-democratic.
[00:39:24]  The illegal schemes that we're having a difficult time apparently understanding are the ones that I'm pointing to to justify that.
[00:39:30]  And then is there anything else that I should have an address from what you said?
[00:39:33]  Let me just interject.
[00:39:34]  And then I would love to talk about the political rhetoric of violence.
[00:39:37]  So let me just say something.
[00:39:38]  So the data that you're talking about that you researched, can you be honest about what the timeframe was?
[00:39:43]  Because the timeframe is between 1948 and 2022 that they were looking at it.
[00:39:48]  So we're not talking about – we're talking about political violence on the right.
[00:39:52]  It was Islamist extremists.
[00:39:54]  Then it was the right wing.
[00:39:55]  And then it was the left wing.
[00:39:57]  And that's over that broad span of time.
[00:39:59]  That's not talking, like, they never broke it down into these recent years, right, since, like, 2008 and above.
[00:40:07]  Like, if you look at the data, that's what they're looking at.
[00:40:09]  It says it here, two years ago, team of researchers.
[00:40:12]  I've seen all sorts of different times.
[00:40:14]  From four universities, examined court records and other data relating to 3,500 extremist active events in the U.S. between 1948 and 2022. And that's when they said that they were split into three groups, left-wing, right-wing, and related to Islamic extremism.
[00:40:29]  And it said that the most extremist was the right-wing, and then the The left wing came in a distant third.
[00:40:38]  And so when they're talking about like, oh, we have to be concerned about left wing political violence, they're talking about like over this like broad span.
[00:40:45]  Or do you mean right wing political violence?
[00:40:46]  Right wing.
[00:40:47]  Right.
[00:40:47]  But they're talking about over this broad span of time.
[00:40:49]  But if you look at it, like we can name the summer of love.
[00:40:53]  There was a riot every whatever we can.
[00:40:55]  Nobody talks about the church.
[00:40:58]  Right.
[00:40:58]  And Trump having to go into a bunker like that.
[00:41:00]  That's fine by the left.
[00:41:01]  We can talk about we can't talk about the.
[00:41:03]  You're not aware of that?
[00:41:05]  I remember when he went to the bunker.
[00:41:06]  Right, when he went to the bunker and they were bombing the building across from the street.
[00:41:10]  Everybody says it was St. John's Church, but it was actually the building across the street that they did.
[00:41:15]  We're not talking about the shooting.
[00:41:17]  I am.
[00:41:18]  I am talking about all those things.
[00:41:19]  Let me keep going.
[00:41:20]  We're not talking about the shooting.
[00:41:20]  In general, I'm talking the left in general.
[00:41:23]  It's just y'all's social media echo chamber is not going to contextualize the stories you're talking about.
[00:41:29]  What context is needed that they're, like, burning down buildings?
[00:41:34]  No, that's not what I'm saying.
[00:41:35]  Congressmen are getting assaulted left and right, right?
[00:41:37]  I'm just saying I don't really want to go off of, like, yeah, and I oppose all of that.
[00:41:41]  It's more prevalent.
[00:41:42]  Like, it's more prevalent.
[00:41:43]  In your social media?
[00:41:44]  No, not in the real world.
[00:41:46]  That's why we have research institutions.
[00:41:47]  In America, this happens.
[00:41:49]  So we can figure out if it's just a vibe or if it's real.
[00:41:51]  The left loves the research institutions that back up whatever they want to say.
[00:41:54]  Why do you think they went back to 1948, right?
[00:41:56]  Why do you think they...
[00:41:57]  You're talking about one.
[00:41:58]  Go find any other.
[00:41:59]  No, this is the one that everybody quotes, AP, right?
[00:42:02]  You think one institution has— No.
[00:42:04]  No.
[00:42:04]  They used four institutions.
[00:42:05]  This is what this is saying.
[00:42:07]  So this is an AP article debunking that the Heritage Foundation leader was wrong to say that most of the violence is committed by the left.
[00:42:13]  And all that their AP is citing over and over again are these studies, these four studies that they did.
[00:42:19]  That's what the whole left-wing media relies on is these— It's not true.
[00:42:23]  Okay.
[00:42:23]  Okay.
[00:42:23]  Well, then find something that—pull it up.
[00:42:25]  But, like, that's where the statistics come from, them analyzing these 3,500 instances of political violence.
[00:42:32]  And so you have CHAZ occupation, right?
[00:42:35]  You have—like, we could just name them all at the top of our heads, but— You know, you named me three and the one was, like, barely anything.
[00:42:44]  But, like, you can't name 15 like I'm doing, right?
[00:42:47]  Like, it is that.
[00:42:47]  And you can't.
[00:42:48]  There were MAGA people every night for months in a row.
[00:42:51]  Literally, one, Google, don't get obsessed with this because it's just the first thing that popped up.
[00:42:56]  This one is not any of the ones you referenced.
[00:42:59]  What's it relying on?
[00:43:00]  National Institute of Justice.
[00:43:01]  And this is since 1990. So this is much more recent, 1990 to 2021. Wherever.
[00:43:07]  2021. Maybe you can link it in the doc.
[00:43:11]  Yeah, I can send it.
[00:43:12]  And it's the same thing.
[00:43:13]  I don't know why.
[00:43:14]  We can all just be like, hey, it happens.
[00:43:16]  Right-wing violence is more prevalent.
[00:43:17]  No, but you say it's more prevalent.
[00:43:18]  It is.
[00:43:19]  We're disputing that.
[00:43:20]  We're disputing that.
[00:43:21]  Where?
[00:43:22]  The only thing.
[00:43:22]  Oh my gosh.
[00:43:24]  Welcome to social media.
[00:43:25]  You're not going to be shown it because you don't want that.
[00:43:27]  No, no, you can't name it.
[00:43:28]  You can't name it.
[00:43:29]  Okay, I'll give you more examples.
[00:43:31]  You need anecdotes so badly instead of just accepting data.
[00:43:35]  Fine, fine.
[00:43:36]  I can't give you the particular names of the shooters, but more often than not, when there's a politically motivated mass shooting, it's a right-wing one.
[00:43:44]  That's not true.
[00:43:45]  What about the one at that Christian school with the trans activists?
[00:43:48]  Definitely mass shootings are way more committed by the left.
[00:43:50]  I think a lot of people find this really interesting, the way that y'all's brains are working, because it's just going, well, what about this?
[00:43:54]  I don't deny those happened.
[00:43:56]  That's part of what's studied!
[00:43:58]  Our brains are working here as a left-wing.
[00:44:00]  You're saying you need examples.
[00:44:02]  So I just gave you a lot of the ones that I know you all have covered on the show, I'm sure, that were right-wing politically motivated, that were racist, for example, would be calculated on the other.
[00:44:13]  And then there are left-wing political violence.
[00:44:15]  Would you say anything that's a racist killing is automatically right-wing?
[00:44:21]  If it were premised on a right-wing idea like white supremacy.
[00:44:24]  Please, please.
[00:44:25]  This is why I'm saying this is the most...
[00:44:27]  I'm asking and I've given you...
[00:44:28]  I didn't know if you were about to say, oh, white supremacy is not right-wing.
[00:44:31]  I wasn't about to say anything at all.
[00:44:33]  Okay, cool.
[00:44:33]  Great.
[00:44:34]  Well, then, yeah.
[00:44:35]  If it's a right-wing version of racism, whereas if it were someone who was like a Palestinian advocate who then crossed over and was anti-Semitic, and right, that would be left-wing.
[00:44:47]  Right.
[00:44:48]  Okay.
[00:44:48]  We agree there.
[00:44:49]  Yeah.
[00:44:50]  Oh, here, let me see.
[00:44:51]  Do you want me to send this?
[00:44:52]  Who can I send this to?
[00:44:53]  You can just put it in the doc if you're on it.
[00:44:55]  I think we all have the same one, so we can all see that.
[00:44:59]  Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
[00:45:01]  So, anything else on that?

=== Left's Mockery Debate (13:44) ===

[00:45:03]  I know we have more to talk about.
[00:45:04]  God, we are...
[00:45:05]  I feel so bad because we're all jumping over each other to get at you.
[00:45:08]  You're totally outnumbered, and I actually...
[00:45:10]  It's fun.
[00:45:10]  I'm sympathetic for some reason.
[00:45:12]  No, we have to...
[00:45:12]  Usually on the pit bull.
[00:45:13]  We have to give him some credit, like, coming...
[00:45:14]  He's pretty much doing a three-on-one debate, so it's...
[00:45:18]  Why don't we talk about that, right?
[00:45:20]  So the fact that the left has become...
[00:45:24]  Oh, wait.
[00:45:25]  Can we pause before we go to that?
[00:45:26]  Yeah.
[00:45:27]  Super important.
[00:45:29]  We have to make the distinction between, like, the leader of a movement versus random people in the movement.
[00:45:34]  Because when you divide the country into two sides, there's going to be lunatics on both sides.
[00:45:37]  So Destiny's a good example of the stuff about him not caring if people died at rallies.
[00:45:42]  Insane.
[00:45:42]  But that's not the same as Biden saying that or Harris saying that.
[00:45:45]  But wait.
[00:45:45]  But Trump...
[00:45:46]  Actually participated in the mocking of Paul Pelosi's attacks.
[00:45:49]  So there's a difference in Democrats in positions of power aren't going to mock examples of attacks against right-wing politicians, but right-wing politicians have been mocking attacks against...
[00:45:58]  That's a lie.
[00:45:58]  To that point...
[00:45:59]  Maxine Waters!
[00:46:00]  To that point...
[00:46:01]  There's a whole list of them.
[00:46:02]  She mocked...
[00:46:02]  No, she's participating by saying you need to go out.
[00:46:07]  I don't like when she said that, but also beyond that, Biden himself standing in standing up and saying that MAGA Republicans are a threat to the very soul of our country, saying that the reason that he that he ran was because of the threat of white nationalism because of Charlottesville.
[00:46:26]  Saying that Americans are garbage.
[00:46:29]  These are three things.
[00:46:30]  He immediately walked that back.
[00:46:32]  I don't care.
[00:46:33]  I didn't ask if he walked it back.
[00:46:35]  Trump hasn't walked back calling people vermin and saying that they're the enemy from within.
[00:46:39]  I don't care.
[00:46:40]  You made a remark about Trump and I acknowledged it.
[00:46:43]  And I didn't try to say that he didn't.
[00:46:47]  But the point that I'm making is.
[00:46:49]  You can't say that, oh, your guy does this and say that Democrats don't when I just immediately listed off three.
[00:46:56]  None of those examples were mocking political violence.
[00:46:59]  Donald Trump didn't mock Pelosi.
[00:47:04]  His son did, but Donald Trump didn't.
[00:47:07]  Pull it up.
[00:47:08]  Just look up Trump, Paul Pelosi, like on Twitter.
[00:47:11]  I mocked it.
[00:47:12]  I mocked it.
[00:47:13]  Yeah, it's disgusting.
[00:47:14]  Yeah, I did.
[00:47:15]  An old man having his head bashed in is funny to you?
[00:47:18]  No, no, no.
[00:47:19]  I didn't mock that.
[00:47:20]  I just mocked...
[00:47:21]  That's actually not the part that I mocked.
[00:47:23]  I mocked that she's for no borders and she has this insane security system and a wall built around her house and somehow magically this guy got in.
[00:47:29]  That's the part I was mocking.
[00:47:31]  So the left does similar things.
[00:47:33]  I don't want to see anybody get hurt.
[00:47:34]  If you want to say that Trump does bad things, I can absolutely agree with that.
[00:47:38]  I'm not a Trump guy.
[00:47:40]  I voted for Trump, but I'm not a MAGA guy.
[00:47:42]  I didn't vote for Trump in 2020. But to say that it's only one side, which is what it strongly feels like you're implying, I would take issue with that.
[00:47:53]  And that's the reason that I push back on it, because it's not that...
[00:47:55]  Let me clarify then.
[00:47:56]  Definitely not just one side.
[00:47:58]  That's why I'm saying what we could discuss until we're blue in the face, the examples of extreme people on both sides, which is definitely prevalent, because it's difficult to know what's relevant within a really vast social media ecosystem.
[00:48:10]  I like to focus on people in positions of power.
[00:48:12]  So when I compare Biden and Trump, I don't see the equivalency in the way they treat political.
[00:48:16]  Okay, so let's...
[00:48:18]  Watch this real quick.
[00:48:18]  But that's all I want to say about that.
[00:48:20]  We can move on.
[00:48:20]  This is the last one.
[00:48:21]  Oh, wait.
[00:48:22]  Will the link still click?
[00:48:23]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:48:24]  Oh, well, the clip you can see.
[00:48:26]  Yeah.
[00:48:27]  Yeah.
[00:48:27]  But just it's a one.
[00:48:28]  It's real quick.
[00:48:29]  I think this is the right one.
[00:48:31]  What are you doing here?
[00:48:32]  I'm going to show him something because he said leaders don't do this.
[00:48:35]  It's not Biden.
[00:48:36]  It's not Biden.
[00:48:36]  It's everybody.
[00:48:37]  No.
[00:48:38]  Oh, is it a montage?
[00:48:38]  Yeah.
[00:48:39]  I think I just...
[00:48:40]  Oh, here we go.
[00:48:41]  Don't I wish I were debating him?
[00:48:43]  No, I wish you were in high school.
[00:48:44]  I could take him behind the gym.
[00:48:46]  There you go.
[00:48:47]  That's what I wish.
[00:48:48]  Okay, keep going.
[00:48:48]  I don't want to just buy them, but I think there's Maxine's on here.
[00:48:53]  Hillary's on here.
[00:48:54]  Yeah, they're all.
[00:48:54]  There aren't uprisings all over the country.
[00:48:56]  Maybe there will be.
[00:48:57]  That you cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about.
[00:49:05]  If you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd.
[00:49:16]  Yes!
[00:49:20]  So I think the point, I think the point, I haven't heard her say.
[00:49:26]  Show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful.
[00:49:32]  Please!
[00:49:33]  Get up in the face of some Congress people.
[00:49:36]  I think this...
[00:49:37]  Hey, Kellen, I think this...
[00:49:38]  Go ahead and stop it.
[00:49:39]  I think the point's been made.
[00:49:40]  That doesn't dispute what I'm saying at all.
[00:49:42]  They're your elected leaders saying to be violent.
[00:49:45]  Democrat leaders don't call for violence.
[00:49:47]  It's only Republicans.
[00:49:49]  Point proven wrong.
[00:49:50]  I do want to move on.
[00:49:52]  I do want to move on.
[00:49:53]  Because like I said, I think that the point has been made that both sides do it and it's something that we have to condemn.
[00:49:59]  So I think we need to...
[00:50:01]  I want to talk about the fact that the left is now seems to be...
[00:50:06]  More open to discussing politics in general.
[00:50:11]  And I think it's since the election of Donald Trump.
[00:50:16]  For a long time it was don't engage.
[00:50:19]  Don't give them...
[00:50:20]  If you engage with them...
[00:50:21]  Don't platform them.
[00:50:22]  Yeah, don't platform them.
[00:50:23]  You're going to give them credibility.
[00:50:25]  And so I want to know your thoughts on that.
[00:50:28]  Do you believe that there is a change?
[00:50:30]  Or do you think that this is kind of something that the left has always...
[00:50:34]  Done and that we're misrepresenting or misunderstanding reality.
[00:50:38]  Oh, definitely there's an issue.
[00:50:42]  I don't want to overgeneralize.
[00:50:43]  There have always been people on the left who will engage, but I totally agree there's been a deficit of that.
[00:50:48]  And one of the things that infuriates me about the feedback we've received to our show, The Grudge, you can find it on Luke Beasley, on the channel, that Isabel and I are doing, is a lot of people...
[00:50:58]  If you get upset at something I'm saying or she's saying, understandable, I'm constantly upset at what she's saying.
[00:51:03]  He cries a lot.
[00:51:04]  A lot of the feedback is the fact that we're even talking.
[00:51:08]  That's from your side.
[00:51:09]  From our side, it will be like, oh, well, he came on at least.
[00:51:13]  Thankfully, he came on.
[00:51:15]  They don't discourage us from talking to the left.
[00:51:17]  Okay, and it's definitely an issue with my side that I'm addressing here because I engage with them more often.
[00:51:25]  And for a long time, especially with Trump now winning the second time, I don't know how you make the argument if we ignore the ideology, it goes away.
[00:51:32]  Insane.
[00:51:33]  So that's actually really upsetting me.
[00:51:35]  My hope is that more people will do this because, you know, my belief is that we have the facts on our side, so why not bring it out there?
[00:51:43]  And then the idea that...
[00:51:46]  That you support an ideology by shining light on it.
[00:51:49]  I get that there are certain things you want to be mindful about debating.
[00:51:53]  Like, if you're not a doctor, you're not a professional, and you're not good at debating, but you just throw yourself into a vaccine debate, but you're not ready for someone who's practiced all the anti-vax talking points, maybe you won't Yeah,
[00:52:09]  my thing is that I actually think that if you're worried about right-wing extremism, I feel like the left actually made people more extreme by isolating them.
[00:52:24]  So I feel like I have shifted from a more libertarian mindset to a very far-right ideology.
[00:52:32]  And that has been within the last...
[00:52:34]  Five, ten years, right?
[00:52:35]  Like, five years.
[00:52:36]  More than five years, right?
[00:52:37]  Five, six years.
[00:52:38]  I've definitely made a hard right-wing turn.
[00:52:41]  And I really feel like that is because...
[00:52:44]  I like that the left radicalized me.
[00:52:46]  And I feel like if you...
[00:52:47]  I would even say that I'm slightly radicalized.
[00:52:49]  And it's because...
[00:52:51]  We were demonized, ostracized, don't talk to them, don't platform them, don't whatever, like I was saying earlier on.
[00:52:57]  And if you stop having these conversations with people, you will radicalize the other side.
[00:53:03]  That's why even as much as I want to torment the left right now, which I do, I don't ever want to stop these conversations because I don't think they're productive and I don't think we're ever going to meet anywhere to make this country at least a little more sane.
[00:53:17]  Yeah, and even separate from morally or intellectually, just strategically, one of the things that I was reading was that one of the reasons Harris didn't do an interview with Joe Rogan was she was progressive staffers of hers were afraid of progressive backlash to talking with him.
[00:53:33]  And there's this whole, one of my friends calls it the Brosphere podcast arena that we just haven't entered at all, in part because we have a fear of I think, I guess, of engaging with certain people and then people go, why are you talking to them?
[00:53:50]  You're normalizing them, which is like, their platform is bigger than most people.
[00:53:53]  The funny thing is, is that like, they were lefty people.
[00:53:56]  Like Rogan.
[00:53:57]  Rogan, yeah.
[00:53:57]  Like Rogan was Ernie.
[00:53:58]  We lost Rogan.
[00:53:59]  He did.
[00:53:59]  You can look at the Trump administration and all of the people that everybody was most excited about used to be Democrats.
[00:54:06]  RFK. Right.
[00:54:07]  Elon Musk.
[00:54:08]  Tulsi Gabbard.
[00:54:09]  Tulsi Gabbard.
[00:54:10]  Donald Trump.
[00:54:11]  These are all people that in the aughts were Democrats.
[00:54:14]  Normal Democrats, like establishment Democrats.
[00:54:17]  And they've been, you know, run out of the Democrat Party.
[00:54:19]  By the progressives.
[00:54:21]  Yeah, by the progressives.
[00:54:21]  That's why I asked earlier, you know, before I was like, do you consider yourself a Democrat or do you consider yourself a progressive?
[00:54:26]  Because I think that there is a distinction in the Democrat Party and there's probably going to be some kind of serious civil war in the Democrat Party.
[00:54:34]  And I think that people that, like yourself, that will go to other outlets and politicians Present your views to other people to listen to and actually debate the ideas.
[00:54:46]  I think that you're likely going to win.
[00:54:48]  I think that the progressives that are like, don't go and engage at all.
[00:54:54]  I think that they're going to become fewer and fewer.
[00:54:56]  At least that's my hope.
[00:54:58]  So, you know, kudos to you for that stuff.
[00:55:02]  My ideology is like on a lot of economic policies – a lot of policies I'm really progressive the way we used to use that term.
[00:55:09]  Now it's associated with something in some cases that is a little icky.
[00:55:14]  Like I don't think it's a progressive view to think you shouldn't go engage with other ideologies but maybe some of the people who – Yeah, people we would consider that a left-wing progressive view.
[00:55:23]  That's whack because my experience too is the – I feel like, to your point, I've made people less extreme by just talking with them in my personal life.
[00:55:33]  Now, this will be a little bit more debatey, which sometimes is harder to make progress, but in longer form, more passive discussions, people are open to hearing, unless, like you said, they feel isolated.
[00:55:44]  I feel like if I walk into a place and I know it's left-wing people, I actually feel like they hate me.
[00:55:52]  They hate me.
[00:55:53]  Even my neighbors.
[00:55:54]  My neighbors hang a gay pride trans flag outside their house.
[00:55:58]  They know I'm super conservative.
[00:56:00]  They don't say hi to me.
[00:56:02]  I say, hi, how are you?
[00:56:03]  Nothing.
[00:56:04]  I feel the hatred coming from them more than...
[00:56:10]  So now I hang a street pride flag up.
[00:56:12]  So fine.
[00:56:13]  I wasn't going to go there, but now that you have treated me...
[00:56:17]  It's a response.
[00:56:18]  I feel like I'm constantly responding to how I've been treated.
[00:56:22]  It's a very reactive thing.
[00:56:24]  It's so interesting because that's how I think most people on the left feel.
[00:56:27]  Really?
[00:56:28]  See, I don't even want my husband wearing a MAGA hat in a restaurant because I don't want someone spitting in my food.
[00:56:33]  Right.
[00:56:33]  I literally have that fear.
[00:56:34]  And I know that people were walking around with their Biden and their Kamala hats on, but they think everybody else thinks like them and, like, we're the extreme minority here.
[00:56:41]  And they have the moral high ground, they think.
[00:56:42]  So they're so...
[00:56:43]  Right.
[00:56:43]  You know what I mean?
[00:56:44]  It's a badge of honor.
[00:56:44]  They think it's like...
[00:56:45]  These random, weird, like, we're not the majority, like, they feel like they have the ability to act like that.
[00:56:52]  Like, there were people, I remember so many of us being afraid to wear, like, a MAGA hat around, right?
[00:56:57]  Or a shirt supporting Trump.
[00:56:58]  But when it was Kamala Harris, I mean, they had masks on that said Biden-Harris, right?
[00:57:02]  It was like that was more socially acceptable.
[00:57:06]  You didn't feel like walking into a thing if you had a political shirt on on the left that anybody would do anything to your food, that you would get kicked out.
[00:57:12]  I mean, we have felt like that.
[00:57:13]  Yeah, I think it depends on where you are.
[00:57:15]  A lot of conservatives like to live in really liberal areas.
[00:57:18]  I don't like to live there.
[00:57:19]  I'm trying to leave.
[00:57:20]  That's where you are.
[00:57:21]  And so then that can happen.
[00:57:23]  But when I've gone to really conservative areas, I feel uncomfortable if I were wearing something.
[00:57:27]  But I do think...
[00:57:28]  Which the name is Kamala, by the way.
[00:57:29]  Oh, God.
[00:57:30]  If you haven't read that correctly.
[00:57:31]  To his point, I do think that times—the tides are changing.
[00:57:34]  Like, even if you saw after the election, AOC posted an Instagram story, and she said, hey, like, to my voters who voted for me and also Trump, why?
[00:57:41]  I genuinely want to know why you did that.
[00:57:43]  And that did happen.
[00:57:44]  Which is not the case in the past.
[00:57:45]  Like, before, it would be like—I don't know if she would say you're disgusting people, but, you know, why would you do that?
[00:57:50]  But it's interesting that she's putting that on her platform.
[00:57:52]  Then you even see Chank, or as I like to call them, Chunky, Chunky Yogurt, and Anna Kasparian— Now they're kind of warming up to the idea.
[00:57:58]  And it's been warming up.
[00:57:59]  Right.
[00:58:00]  And their audience is starting to turn on them.
[00:58:01]  And it's very interesting.
[00:58:03]  And then also Joe Scarborough on Morning Joe, him and his wife was calling Trump Hitler for years.
[00:58:07]  And then Trump wins and they go have dinner.
[00:58:09]  But if he's really Hitler, wouldn't you not feel safe having dinner with him at his house?
[00:58:14]  They pointed to historical references about rhetoric because we should learn from history not to make...
[00:58:20]  The liberals let me use a lot of words that are long.
[00:58:24]  This whole thing about, oh, everyone called him Hitler.
[00:58:26]  It's like, guys, chill.
[00:58:28]  He obviously exhibits fascistic tendencies.
[00:58:30]  Can we just acknowledge it?

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[00:58:31]  He doesn't, though.
[00:58:33]  All right.
[00:58:33]  I don't know what trying to— He's more Democrat than I'd want him to be.
[00:58:35]  Right, yeah.
[00:58:36]  He's not— He didn't— What?
[00:58:38]  I think that is something that you hear a lot on the right, is the right says, please let Trump be the— What they want.
[00:58:47]  The authoritarian that the Democrats think that he is.
[00:58:49]  I can't speak for everyone.
[00:58:50]  People have gone too far.
[00:58:51]  I know people call him Orge Hitler.
[00:58:52]  I've never engaged in that.
[00:58:54]  But I do point to...
[00:58:55]  He literally said on True Social that we should terminate the Constitution.
[00:59:00]  Look it up.
[00:59:02]  We just went over this with Cenk.
[00:59:04]  A massive fraud of this type of magnitude allows for the termination of all those regulations and articles.
[00:59:10]  You guys read it one way.
[00:59:11]  This is borderline.
[00:59:12]  We're not going to do this because...
[00:59:14]  But my point is...
[00:59:15]  Okay, then how do you just...
[00:59:17]  But how do you justify, here's the quote, the government should come down hard on them and the them that he was talking about in the post was MSNBC. That's fascist stuff.
[00:59:28]  I don't want the conversation to continue to be brought to Donald Trump and stuff.
[00:59:33]  God forbid we talk about the most...
[00:59:35]  There are topics that we are going to try to stay to, and when we initially started this, this was about Gen Z, this particular bit.
[00:59:42]  I'm explaining why Gen Z... Why Gen Z support Trump?
[00:59:46]  That's not what we're talking about, though.
[00:59:47]  Why do you think Gen Z has actually moved right?
[00:59:50]  I'm not trying to avoid that topic.
[00:59:53]  Cenk and Tim just went over that two days ago, and it was a 30-minute thing, so I just don't want to break that all down again and go through the arguments, but they already hashed it out.
[01:00:03]  I'll send you the clip later.
[01:00:04]  And if anybody wants to watch it, it's Tuesday night.
[01:00:06]  I don't know if Jank was able to do a justice.
[01:00:07]  I didn't see the clip, but it's ridiculous.
[01:00:09]  Jank did a justice.
[01:00:10]  What happens is there's a different reading both ways of it.
[01:00:14]  Okay, but all the examples are him saying the press are criminals and stuff like that.
[01:00:19]  So if this is the case, then why do you think?
[01:00:21]  I'm trying to move on.
[01:00:22]  I just have to finish the point you said you wanted to move on about the thing that you asked about.
[01:00:25]  I feel bad for him today.
[01:00:26]  Which was, you were talking about, oh, I always, like, my whole life, I have a bunch of Trump supporters in my family and everything.
[01:00:32]  So I'm always listening to the other side and trying to figure out where they're coming from.
[01:00:37]  I am curious, as a little bit of a hypocrisy check, one of the things that's weird is, like, Trump didn't even get a majority.
[01:00:43]  He got a plurality.
[01:00:44]  He got under 50%.
[01:00:45]  So, like, the majority voted against Trump in that sense.
[01:00:48]  And he's still legitimate president, all of that.
[01:00:51]  But...
[01:00:52]  I love how the barriers are.
[01:00:54]  In that situation- It has to be like the- No, no, no.
[01:00:55]  Win the popular vote and now- I didn't even get to the key part of the point.
[01:00:58]  I just wanted to make that distinction.
[01:00:59]  Go ahead.
[01:00:59]  He won the popular vote.
[01:01:00]  He won an electoral landslide.
[01:01:02]  He won, okay?
[01:01:03]  For sure.
[01:01:04]  But I'm saying I would love to go, all right, someone wins.
[01:01:07]  I'm going to think about not changing my principles if I believe them to be correct because someone won.
[01:01:11]  I can think someone incorrectly won, which I do in this case.
[01:01:14]  But I'm, as we do constantly, trying to figure out what the other side is thinking.
[01:01:18]  Okay.
[01:01:19]  But- Y'all didn't apply that when Biden won by way more the popular vote, right?
[01:01:24]  Like, why didn't y'all go, what should we resonate with with what he's doing?
[01:01:28]  I'll tell you why.
[01:01:28]  Because I was in Philadelphia, right?
[01:01:30]  And I actually am an elected committee person in Philadelphia, right?
[01:01:33]  And my mom's a judge of elections, so I was actually supposed to be doing those elections.
[01:01:38]  And they were literally putting cardboard up on the wall so people could not watch them count the vote, right?
[01:01:45]  Which is the first in history that people can always watch.
[01:01:47]  No, but I'm just saying to you— You bring up things and then it's like, I need to explain why you're saying that and why it's wrong.
[01:01:53]  But we had pipes burst.
[01:01:55]  We had the little jump and stuff.
[01:01:56]  And we had shifts to the electoral process that were different that were done judicially.
[01:02:01]  But it was shifts that were done that were not whatever.
[01:02:05]  We had misinformation running through, favoring the Democrats in that, like with the Russia stuff, with the...
[01:02:13]  Under Biden.
[01:02:14]  Under Biden, all that, right?
[01:02:15]  So there were lots of things where Republicans, and you can say they were valid or not, they felt, in their hearts, right, from all this stuff that we see going on, that it wasn't...
[01:02:27]  People now say it wasn't a fair election because the media, right?
[01:02:32]  And I think that's kind of a cop-out.
[01:02:33]  I have seen as somebody who has been involved in the electoral process for a long time, I have always seen multiple instances of voter fraud happening.
[01:02:42]  Right.
[01:02:43]  And I have seen it.
[01:02:44]  I had some guy that came in.
[01:02:46]  He said like with this thing, he got dropped off in Philly at like right across from Headhouse Square.
[01:02:50]  And he said he lived on two.
[01:02:52]  I forget.
[01:02:53]  It was like 13 Delancey Street.
[01:02:54]  Well, my mom lives at 205.
[01:02:55]  That freaking house didn't exist.
[01:02:57]  Right.
[01:02:57]  And he's got this signed little piece of paper and he's saying he wants to vote.
[01:03:00]  You're not this person.
[01:03:03]  There is no house there.
[01:03:04]  You can't say you live there when that house number doesn't even exist, right?
[01:03:07]  And they let him vote, right?
[01:03:09]  And we were mad about it.
[01:03:10]  And then you have instances of like, I don't think that you know this, but in Delaware County, outside of Philadelphia, they actually have on tape saying that there was an investigation.
[01:03:18]  The investigation is still ongoing.
[01:03:20]  They haven't settled it.
[01:03:21]  Where these people were like, we're not going to show them what they did.
[01:03:24]  There's all this undercover footage of them.
[01:03:25]  Actually, the guy is admitting to lying and manipulating the votes in Delaware County.
[01:03:30]  Like, it's still an ongoing, like, court case today that they're dealing with.
[01:03:34]  It's not been shut out yet.
[01:03:35]  So especially in areas like that where I live, where there's multiple instances of these things.
[01:03:40]  Just this one area and these couple areas.
[01:03:42]  And the problem, too, is when it takes years to sort these things out.
[01:03:44]  But not even that.
[01:03:45]  It doesn't change anything.
[01:03:45]  It takes seven votes.
[01:03:48]  Seven votes at every precinct, okay, like in Philadelphia, to change the outcome of an election.
[01:03:54]  Seven votes in each precinct, right?
[01:03:56]  When we total these numbers up, people are like, oh, it's hundreds of thousands of votes and this and that.
[01:04:01]  When you really break the numbers down, it's a small number of votes in each precinct that flips that thing.
[01:04:07]  So, yeah, there were ways, like, you know, there wasn't standing.
[01:04:11]  There was reasons that these weren't taken up in court.
[01:04:13]  So people really did...
[01:04:19]  Oh, why y'all won't do introspection, but you think we should.
[01:04:27]  No, I definitely always think...
[01:04:28]  I am very introspective.
[01:04:30]  I criticize Trump all the time.
[01:04:32]  Would you consider the election of Donald Trump an introspection?
[01:04:36]  Considering the fact that most of the conservatives before Donald Trump had been what you would consider establishment conservatives, would you consider that the election of Donald Trump might have been an introspection?
[01:04:49]  Maybe the right said, hey, it's not working for us to vote for these people like Mitt Romney or like John McCain.
[01:04:56]  I mean, yeah, Trump was more extreme.
[01:05:00]  But I... That could...
[01:05:02]  That's not what I'm saying.
[01:05:02]  I'm not saying I'll never do introspection.
[01:05:04]  I'm saying that...
[01:05:05]  I keep hearing this.
[01:05:06]  Luke, you must be wrong.
[01:05:08]  You must admit that we must be right about things because Trump won the popular vote.
[01:05:13]  I wouldn't say that.
[01:05:15]  There's like a feeling...
[01:05:16]  I was responding to one of you making some point about that.
[01:05:19]  My point is that if Biden won by way more, which he did, not electorally, but, you know, popular vote...
[01:05:26]  It wasn't like y'all went, hmm, what should we resonate with liberals about now that they've so overwhelmingly...
[01:05:31]  Because it didn't feel legitimate.
[01:05:32]  I'm going to address that because I even sat back to really give you the space to do that.
[01:05:38]  That's because Trump was a crybaby.
[01:05:42]  He soaked a lot of feelings.
[01:05:45]  I'm happy that you would use that word because it was.
[01:05:47]  It was feelings.
[01:05:48]  And then even his own investigators tried to find the outcome determined of voter fraud.
[01:05:52]  And to your point about these different...
[01:05:54]  Anecdotes.
[01:05:54]  In every election, always, in a country this size, you're going to have specific cases of people engaging in fraud.
[01:06:01]  I could do the same thing.
[01:06:03]  I could go find, and I've seen the stories, of MAGA folks engaging in voter fraud.
[01:06:10]  I could pretend like that's representative of a bigger problem than it is.
[01:06:13]  I could not cite the actual studies that prove it's not.
[01:06:15]  I could not cite the actual court cases or the investigations done by I can cite those things too.
[01:06:19]  I'm saying that there was a bunch of these.
[01:06:21]  I'm going to finish.
[01:06:22]  I'm going to finish this.
[01:06:22]  And so the reason those cases were hyper fixated on, even though they weren't representative of a big problem, even Trump's own administration officials were like, we looked into it for him.
[01:06:32]  We're trying to find the fraud.
[01:06:33]  It's just not there in any outcome determinative way.
[01:06:37]  And so then- Not that it's not there.
[01:06:39]  It's hard.
[01:06:39]  They can't prove it.
[01:06:41]  Let him finish his thing.
[01:06:42]  The reason why- People also don't feel like it was right that Trump won, but we just don't internalize that by claiming it was all rigged.
[01:06:52]  About 2016, Russia collusion.
[01:06:54]  Okay, so let me just explain.
[01:06:54]  Let me just show you something, just one thing.
[01:06:57]  I've explained that to you before.
[01:06:58]  When there's mail-in ballots, right?
[01:07:00]  We had this mass new mail-in ballot campaign, right?
[01:07:02]  Have you ever done a mail-in ballot?
[01:07:04]  No matter what you say, I can tell you my response.
[01:07:07]  So if you can already tell your response, it doesn't matter what you're saying.
[01:07:11]  My point is because I've had these conversations hundreds of times already.
[01:07:13]  What am I going to say?
[01:07:14]  I'm talking about the sorting process, right?
[01:07:16]  Have you ever done a mail-in ballot?
[01:07:17]  Have I done?
[01:07:17]  No, I haven't.
[01:07:18]  Okay, so here's how it works.
[01:07:19]  I used to live in D.C., but I was still voting in Pennsylvania because of the voting.
[01:07:23]  Well, then Trump's election wasn't legitimate either because there's mail-in votes!
[01:07:26]  No, no, no!
[01:07:27]  There wasn't the same amount.
[01:07:29]  Clearly, there's apparently 7 million votes missing now.
[01:07:31]  Not missing.
[01:07:32]  It's that y'all's rhetoric worked on convincing people the Biden administration was worse than it was when actually we talk about it was really successful.
[01:07:39]  When you do a mail-in ballot, right?
[01:07:41]  There's an inside ballot, right?
[01:07:43]  That's separate.
[01:07:44]  And there's an outside ballot, right?
[01:07:46]  That has your name and you sign it, right?
[01:07:48]  Because it's supposed to be a secret ballot.
[01:07:50]  So when you mail it in, right?
[01:07:52]  and they go to count the votes.
[01:07:54]  They separate them.
[01:07:55]  They put the counted ones in here and they put the mail in with the signature here so you can identify who's who, okay?
[01:08:01]  Once you do that process, it doesn't matter how you recount them, right?
[01:08:06]  They're forever separate.
[01:08:08]  So you don't know, right?
[01:08:10]  There's no way to—because even now, you can't go look up—I can't even go look up if my vote was registered as a right-wing vote or a left-wing vote.
[01:08:18]  So now you have these separate ballots, right?
[01:08:21]  Once you separate them, even if people just take ballots and stick them in the separate pile or the way that they come in or whatever, there's no way, even if you do a recount— That's just the counting process.
[01:08:32]  But there's no way once the mail-in ballots are separated like that to determine if they were legitimate ballots.
[01:08:37]  It's not possible once the separation process happens.
[01:08:41]  And there's no identifiable information on that ballot itself.
[01:08:46]  So when you have this mass ballot campaign, right, and we did extra mail-in ballots, if you look at the difference, right, there's a swarm of them.
[01:08:54]  We do have that odd, very statistical odd jump.
[01:08:56]  You have everybody seen the graph, right?
[01:08:58]  But there's no way to go back and check that.
[01:09:00]  I always said, I said from the beginning, People were like, hold out hope.
[01:09:03]  They're doing it.
[01:09:04]  I said, there's no way to prove it.
[01:09:06]  I said, everybody just accept.
[01:09:08]  This is what I said.
[01:09:09]  I did an Instagram post on it.
[01:09:10]  Just accept that Biden is the president.
[01:09:12]  And if you want to show, do a show for us, go to his inauguration with your MAGA hat on.
[01:09:16]  Like, that's literally what I said.
[01:09:17]  People said clearly are ways to verify, which is why we catch people fraud through million votes.
[01:09:23]  But aside from that, I just point.
[01:09:26]  Yeah, I don't know if you believe that.
[01:09:28]  We've just gone through it so many times.
[01:09:30]  And it's more than just recounts, because I know what you're saying about that.
[01:09:33]  But the way that we prosecute people, which we're always prosecuting some people for voter fraud because there's some voter fraud.
[01:09:39]  Yeah, but they're usually things like they watch them drop off multiple ballots at a location.
[01:09:43]  I wanted to address one of the things you said, though.
[01:09:46]  Or they get ballots and it's like registered to some random person's account and she has six.
[01:09:51]  What?
[01:09:52]  Oh, I see what you're saying.
[01:09:54]  Yeah, so my point is that we have really secure elections in the country and I've heard these arguments before with the particular – how the mail-in vote are counted.
[01:10:03]  I haven't argued that particular one too many times.
[01:10:06]  But every single time we try to go in and verify – I'm going to send you the Delco stuff.
[01:10:30]  You got to watch this for me.
[01:10:31]  But it's vile that you would cite all these things or take issue with the entire process that we vote through now.
[01:10:48]  Back in 2020. And then you learn the election is perfectly legitimate because Trump wins and now y'all don't care.
[01:10:53]  So I will say that I feel better.
[01:10:57]  I feel like, you know, there are points where I question.
[01:11:00]  Y'all should imagine how upsetting it is to be on our side where we had to listen to y'all scream about fraud for four years.
[01:11:04]  And then you learn that that's not the case because Trump wins.
[01:11:06]  And it's just sort of, never mind.
[01:11:08]  That was after four years of you guys saying Russia collusion.
[01:11:11]  But I want to point out that in 2020, we had the COVID. COVID happened, and it was used and, like, really abused to change all these different voting systems.
[01:11:18]  Now, all of a sudden, all these new states had mail-in ballots.
[01:11:21]  And as we just learned from Lisa, there can be very easily things can be...
[01:11:24]  I still think they're messing with Russia.
[01:11:26]  It was Russia.
[01:11:26]  In Arizona and Philly, they're still doing it.
[01:11:29]  It is worth noting that the method of collecting ballots and everything in 2020 was novel.
[01:11:37]  We had never had an election under a pandemic the way that we did in 2020. Yeah, the amount that was mail-in voting.
[01:11:45]  Yeah, and also the process.
[01:11:47]  There was a lot of changes and stuff.
[01:11:49]  It was that year because it happened.
[01:11:50]  Exactly.
[01:11:50]  There was the changes in Pennsylvania that caused Texas to try and sue Pennsylvania about their stuff.
[01:11:58]  And the only point that I'm making is that it was a novel election.
[01:12:01]  That there had never been an election that was like that one in history.
[01:12:06]  Yeah, and people feel the same about 2024. Why on earth would you say that they feel the same about 2024?
[01:12:12]  Articulate why it's novel.
[01:12:15]  What was different about 2024 than everything else?
[01:12:18]  None of the rules change.
[01:12:20]  Yeah, that's not true.
[01:12:23]  Republican state legislatures that change their voting, but it's fine.
[01:12:26]  It's legitimate.
[01:12:26]  I don't have an issue with it.
[01:12:28]  Why do you mention 2024?
[01:12:30]  No, no, I'm saying that you feeling that way and that and it being an unprecedented election and pandemic doesn't justify trying to block the peaceful transfer of power.
[01:12:38]  No, that's not what I was, that's not the argument that I was making.
[01:12:41]  So you're bringing it up to deflect to the point.
[01:12:43]  The only thing that I was saying is that it was a novel.
[01:12:45]  I hear you.
[01:12:46]  It's novel.
[01:12:46]  I hear you.
[01:12:47]  You know what?
[01:12:47]  I hear you.
[01:12:48]  Okay.
[01:12:49]  That doesn't, it's just you're saying it like it justifies what she was just going through.
[01:12:53]  So that's why I was clarifying.
[01:12:53]  I didn't.
[01:12:54]  Okay, great.
[01:12:54]  I did not say it would justify anything.
[01:12:57]  The only point that I was making is that it was a unique, it was a different situation than any other election that we've gone through.
[01:13:02]  But I do want to talk about the shift to the right, because you've made remarks about Donald Trump, and it's clear you don't like Donald Trump, I get it.
[01:13:13]  And you've remarked that he didn't win the popular vote, and he didn't win over 50%, so it's not actually that the majority of America wants it.
[01:13:23]  And so I can take that on its face, but the results nationwide, in California, I think 11 counties flipped, basically the entire country moved right.
[01:13:35]  So how do you square that?
[01:13:36]  If the country generally moved to the right, what's your take on that?

=== Right Shift Inflation Blame (05:05) ===

[01:13:44]  How do you feel about that?
[01:13:45]  And what do you think that says about the country's reaction to the Democrat policies that we've been living under for the past four years?
[01:13:53]  And the only reason I brought up, just make sure I'll flip in your head, too, about what it meant about Trump when Trump lost as well.
[01:13:58]  But let me just answer that.
[01:14:00]  Thank you.
[01:14:00]  Because Trump won, and a big takeaway— Again, that's why I pointed the right shift, because I'm not talking about Trump.
[01:14:06]  I'm talking about the whole country shifted to the right.
[01:14:09]  So please go talk about that.
[01:14:10]  Don't bring up Trump.
[01:14:11]  It's not about Donald Trump.
[01:14:13]  We know you don't like Donald Trump.
[01:14:15]  We know.
[01:14:15]  We get it.
[01:14:16]  I'm going to explain all what it means about Democrats.
[01:14:19]  I'll note.
[01:14:20]  It's almost all about what the Democrats were perceived as, as opposed to what the alternative was.
[01:14:28]  So it's really going to focus on Democrats, which will be perfect for you.
[01:14:31]  It was mostly about, from what I can tell, a lack of turnout among people who would have voted for Democrats.
[01:14:37]  So if you look in like really Democratic areas, they didn't turn out to offset the conservative areas as they had in the Biden election.
[01:14:45]  The reason for that is whenever Trump was president and people were upset about the pandemic, the response, the backlash to that was we're going to put in the other guy.
[01:14:54]  And then as we've seen nationwide across, this is the biggest variables.
[01:14:58]  There's a bunch of smaller variables as well.
[01:15:00]  But the biggest variable is that across Western countries, we've seen this backlash to incumbents for the pandemic related conditions, namely prices going up.
[01:15:08]  Now, the United States, I have to throw this in, I'm sorry, has handled inflation much more effectively than our wealthy country counterparts.
[01:15:15]  We brought down inflation much faster than, again, our counterparts across the world.
[01:15:20]  I think Biden-Harris policies have been generally, really solid on managing the economy.
[01:15:24]  We came out of the pandemic much more effectively than any other country on the globe.
[01:15:28]  And the unfortunate thing was, though, all those pandemic conditions and recovery efforts that any president would have engaged in, Trump did too, ended up setting up.
[01:15:37]  And supply chain problems and the war in Ukraine, it all contributed to worldwide inflation.
[01:15:43]  And that ended up being blamed on incumbents, right wing and left wing across the world.
[01:15:47]  You mentioned Ukraine.
[01:15:49]  So wait, but let's round that out.
[01:15:51]  So I think this is less about people loving what Trump's offering and more about people rejecting an incumbent because they've been misled about what the cause of prices going up was.
[01:16:03]  So you mentioned Ukraine.
[01:16:04]  Yeah.
[01:16:07]  As a cause of inflation.
[01:16:09]  And that's something that there's a fairly clear distinction between the right and the left about is Ukraine overall.
[01:16:16]  But I mentioned that.
[01:16:17]  Let's go there.
[01:16:18]  I love that conversation.
[01:16:19]  But let's just really solidify.
[01:16:20]  Let's ignore Ukraine because that's not the most important part.
[01:16:22]  It was recovery efforts, supply chain problems, and the economic aftermath of the pandemic that Trump would have dealt with, too, if he'd gotten a second term.
[01:16:30]  That's the main causes of inflation.
[01:16:31]  He loves gay crane.
[01:16:32]  Oh, and corporate price gouging, because people were expecting inflation, so they did it.
[01:16:36]  That's ridiculous.
[01:16:37]  So, now, what did you say?
[01:16:38]  I just said he loves gay crane, just a little.
[01:16:40]  It's ridiculous they did it, or ridiculous that I said they did it?
[01:16:43]  It's ridiculous that you say that it was corporate price gouging, yeah.
[01:16:46]  I mean, that's just what happened.
[01:16:48]  They increased prices more than inflation necessitated.
[01:16:51]  I don't think that that's the case.
[01:16:54]  But anyways, the point being, I wanted to bring up Ukraine.
[01:16:57]  There's a distinct...
[01:16:58]  You know, left and right divide when it comes to Ukraine, right?
[01:17:01]  Wait, I'm just – I feel like your audience is going to sort of – it will be a disservice to them.
[01:17:08]  Can you all explain if Biden was so bad for inflation why we brought it down so much faster than all of our – I didn't say that Biden was so bad for inflation.
[01:17:14]  So you agree the American public misdiagnosed why inflation happened?
[01:17:17]  No, no, I don't.
[01:17:18]  Don't put words in my mouth.
[01:17:20]  The government is bad about inflation.
[01:17:22]  America did really good handling.
[01:17:24]  The federal government prints dollars.
[01:17:27]  And both the Biden administration and the Trump administration spent plenty of money.
[01:17:32]  Those things are unquestionable.
[01:17:35]  My point is that they nailed the recovery.
[01:17:37]  They did amazing.
[01:17:38]  Biden and Harris did amazing getting us out of the pandemic crisis.
[01:17:41]  No, they didn't.
[01:17:42]  They did amazing getting us out of Afghanistan.
[01:17:44]  No, they didn't do amazing.
[01:17:46]  And y'all have misled people about why grocery prices are high.
[01:17:50]  That's my point.
[01:17:51]  And if grocery prices weren't high, we would have not voted for Trump.
[01:17:54]  That's why it's happening.
[01:17:55]  You asked why Trump won.
[01:17:57]  I didn't ask...
[01:17:58]  You've got a little boring.
[01:17:59]  I need to spice it up.
[01:18:01]  I didn't ask anything like this.
[01:18:04]  You asked why Trump won.
[01:18:05]  I'm telling you it's because of mostly people were pissed about prices.
[01:18:07]  And I'm saying they were wrong about the cause of it.
[01:18:09]  They were right that it was happening and they should have voted for it.
[01:18:12]  What's the cause of it?
[01:18:13]  Listen, I asked for your opinion and you gave it.
[01:18:16]  I think that actually instead of moving on to Ukraine, Isabella, you've been fairly quiet.
[01:18:21]  What is your sense as to why there has been a shift to the right?

=== Wokeness And Bathrooms (11:28) ===

[01:18:27]  Um, I think, I think that there's left wing infighting where this, there's the really progressives that kind of tell them that they can't speak to these certain people.
[01:18:36]  Like something that you do, you speak to people like us, right?
[01:18:39]  That's okay.
[01:18:39]  But that's coupled with, I think, wokeness is a big driver.
[01:18:42]  You even see people, like even just celebrities that are generally leftist, like even I just saw Perez Hilton, who's obviously like very gay, very leftist, liberal kind of guy.
[01:18:51]  He's sick of the wokeness.
[01:18:52]  Bill Maher talks about the wokeness.
[01:18:54]  People on the left, it's getting more popular.
[01:18:55]  I think people see things for their eyes or for instance with kids like people that have kids in schools They don't want their daughter to have to go into a locker room or a bathroom with a man dressing as a woman Right these things that people try to gaslight us and say oh, you're just fear-mongering.
[01:19:09]  Oh, you're transphobic It's like no, I just want to go to bathroom without a guy in there.
[01:19:13]  So I think wokeness Y'all have been really made that distinction earlier between lowing vessels and Democrats and I feel like Democrats would tend to agree with you, at least on this particular issue.
[01:19:25]  Democrats would generally tend to agree with you.
[01:19:27]  I think there's some kind of numbers, like 75% of America thinks that the bathrooms should be, at least for women, like there shouldn't be trans women in women's bathrooms.
[01:19:40]  Men can deal with trans men in men's bathrooms.
[01:19:43]  It's not an issue.
[01:19:44]  In sports too.
[01:19:44]  Women's sports, obviously.
[01:19:45]  People are seeing their daughters have to compete with men.
[01:19:48]  But these are progressive issues as opposed to what I think could be Democrat basic issues.
[01:19:53]  Let's be fair.
[01:19:53]  Nobody is like, if a Blair White or a Brianna Wu is like walking into a bathroom, right?
[01:19:59]  I would never call the police or anything like that.
[01:20:02]  And it was everything.
[01:20:03]  I worked in a bar and we would have Who made it a thing?
[01:20:06]  Wait, hold on.
[01:20:07]  It was never a thing.
[01:20:08]  There were women coming into bathrooms.
[01:20:10]  It is the ones that look like that Jeffrey Creepy Marsh dude, okay?
[01:20:14]  The ones that aren't fully committed to their transition, right?
[01:20:17]  The Jeffrey Marsh, the thing that happened in the Loudoun County, right?
[01:20:20]  It is those instances, right?
[01:20:24]  And the fact that it was like it's becoming like a social contagion, right?
[01:20:27]  To where they're putting it in schools and they're putting books in schools.
[01:20:31]  It's also what's responsible for this rise in Christianity.
[01:20:34]  You have like one in five kids now that are saying that they believe in God and they're turning to Christian things.
[01:20:39]  You have like Gwen Stefani coming out and doing a thing with Halo, right?
[01:20:43]  I think that part of that is because of the fact that it's a rejection of what people feel like is obvious reality, right?
[01:20:52]  So the idea that a man can become a woman, a woman can become a man.
[01:20:56]  Because they can't define the word woman.
[01:20:59]  True.
[01:20:59]  I personally, my take is, look, society can deal with trans people like fairly easily.
[01:21:05]  I never cared.
[01:21:06]  It's not an actual problem.
[01:21:08]  And the demand by the far left, again, the progressives, not people that are more of a Democrat kind of persuasion.
[01:21:15]  I think that they demand that you think of them as women.
[01:21:19]  The progressives, the really extreme, ideologically possessed people will.
[01:21:24]  And this is a minority.
[01:21:25]  This is a minority.
[01:21:26]  Hold on.
[01:21:28]  Well, there's three of us.
[01:21:30]  I understand you're in a rough spot.
[01:21:32]  Yeah, you are.
[01:21:33]  I'll let him go with that.
[01:21:33]  I'll wait.
[01:21:33]  But the point that I'm making is when you're dealing with people that are on the far, far left, again, not the average Democrat, saying things like, no, there's no difference between a biological woman and a trans woman.
[01:21:47]  They're both biologically women.
[01:21:48]  I don't know who's...
[01:21:50]  The Missouri congressperson said that.
[01:21:54]  I think most people understand biological sex versus your gender identity.
[01:21:57]  I agree with you, most people.
[01:21:58]  That's why I specified the people that are extremely progressive.
[01:22:02]  And why is the tagline, trans women are women?
[01:22:04]  Because the far left is who is actually making the rhetoric.
[01:22:10]  Trans women are trans women.
[01:22:11]  That's fine.
[01:22:11]  You're a trans woman or trans woman.
[01:22:12]  You're not a woman.
[01:22:14]  If they're existing in society in every meaningful way other than if you knew way too intimately their biological details...
[01:22:20]  It doesn't matter.
[01:22:20]  We're all going to treat them like women and we'll call them women.
[01:22:22]  Stop telling me that I have to lie.
[01:22:23]  Why do I have to go in when I'm getting a lactation consultant to breastfeed my kid and they call it chest feeding?
[01:22:28]  I'm clearly a biological woman.
[01:22:30]  Yeah, I'm going to go through some of this.
[01:22:33]  One of the things that happens, I think the best friend of MAGA is like the super uber, I don't know what you would call them, like the extreme end of the left, okay?
[01:22:42]  Because they provide these nice semi-attached to reality but kind of straw men people that y'all can engage with.
[01:22:49]  And what I mean is, it's not that these things aren't a thing.
[01:22:52]  Like I talked about the bathroom thing and I think Nancy Mace is being psychotic with her obsession over one trans member of Congress where she goes to the restroom.
[01:22:59]  She wasn't going to go to that restroom anyways, but I know these things exist, and I'm happy to talk about them as sort of cultural issues and social media discussions, but I don't think they exist in the way they impact people's lives like the policy issues I'm focused on most of the time and the policy issues that most prominent Democrats are focused on, like politicians.
[01:23:18]  Wait, but let me— What Republicans often do is like if the Republican line – Trump wants to come in and give big tax cuts.
[01:23:26]  His last one's disproportionately benefited wealthy folks and then he wants to do these tariffs that will spike prices.
[01:23:33]  And if he actually was really clear and transparent about what he wants to do, then I don't think people would vote for Republicans as much because their economic agenda is trash.
[01:23:42]  They have a worse economic record over the last century.
[01:23:44]  But instead it has to be don't look at that.
[01:23:47]  Look at all of these other niche cultural issues like a trans person you're probably never going to notice yourself interacting with.
[01:23:53]  It's my turn.
[01:23:54]  And then so that's a big part of this.
[01:23:57]  I wish y'all would engage with what Kamala Harris was actually running on.
[01:24:01]  You can go look at all of her speeches.
[01:24:02]  It wasn't about trans bathrooms.
[01:24:05]  She literally said multiple times that she would provide money for trans prisoners.
[01:24:10]  I'm talking about There it is again.
[01:24:13]  You're doing it again.
[01:24:14]  You found a clip that wasn't from her presidential campaign.
[01:24:17]  It might have been from her one-way...
[01:24:19]  It doesn't matter.
[01:24:20]  It doesn't matter.
[01:24:21]  She said it.
[01:24:22]  That was a Trump administration-era policy that he was abiding by as well.
[01:24:25]  But my point is, just listen for a second.
[01:24:27]  It's my turn.
[01:24:28]  That's what y'all do instead of engaging with her actual policy proposals, which were mostly economic ones, to bring down prices, enhance child tax credit, small business-related tax breaks.
[01:24:38]  That's what she was running on, running on a pro-freedom platform, and that's what I resonated with.
[01:24:42]  And what y'all will do is only engage with the online wokesters instead of engaging with the fact that Democrats really do have a better economic agenda than Republicans, which I'll argue until I'm blue on the face.
[01:24:53]  Okay, so it's my turn, right?
[01:24:54]  Does that make sense at all to you?
[01:24:56]  Does the argument like...
[01:24:57]  I strongly believe that you'll argue every Democrat point.
[01:25:00]  I won't.
[01:25:01]  I will not.
[01:25:01]  So I just want to let you know.
[01:25:03]  You say we don't push back.
[01:25:05]  I actually made a post that the bathroom thing with Nancy Mace was absolutely irrelevant because every member has their own bathroom.
[01:25:10]  Everybody.
[01:25:11]  And I wrote it.
[01:25:12]  I wrote a thing, a post saying this bathroom stuff with Nancy Mace is like retarded.
[01:25:16]  It's a political statement.
[01:25:17]  Because every member has their own private bathroom in their own office.
[01:25:22]  And they don't.
[01:25:23]  I've been on the Hill for many years.
[01:25:25]  They did finally put a women's bathroom off the floor of Congress.
[01:25:29]  So I push back on that.
[01:25:31]  That's one thing.
[01:25:32]  Second thing is tariffs.
[01:25:33]  They keep saying there's tariffs.
[01:25:34]  But Brazil has normally the highest tariffs in all of all countries.
[01:25:40]  of the countries, and they have the second richest per capita GDP. Facts, right?
[01:25:47]  So, like, you can argue the tariffs all you want because, you know, all these, whatever.
[01:25:51]  Go look it up.
[01:25:52]  I don't think you're hearing my argument, though.
[01:25:53]  I'm just saying, you brought up tariffs.
[01:25:55]  I just want to, like, throw that out there, okay?
[01:25:57]  So, like, it doesn't...
[01:25:58]  Let's talk about tariff as a whole thing because there's a whole thing there.
[01:26:01]  So tariffs is a bargaining chip.
[01:26:03]  You guys are looking at it like it's policy or whatever.
[01:26:07]  We are tariffed to death.
[01:26:09]  You do not see, if you go to England, if you go to Germany, you don't see their taxi cabs or Mercedes, right?
[01:26:17]  You are aware that there are tariffs that exist currently, right?
[01:26:20]  We are burdened with tariffs.
[01:26:22]  We're trying to level the playing field and bring manufacturing jobs back here.
[01:26:26]  All I'm saying is...
[01:26:28]  This is just—if Trump follows through on the 25%, 25%, and then 10% extra on China, on our three biggest trading partners, I'm not— How do you all get into a negotiating table?
[01:26:38]  Hold up.
[01:26:38]  Let me say, if people voted for him because they wanted prices to go down, you can make the argument that it's a good tradeoff to have prices go way up, but it's to bring more manufacturing jobs or whatever, and sometimes that's a tradeoff that we do.
[01:26:49]  He should do it strategically across-the-board tariffs on all imports.
[01:26:51]  It's a crazy proposal, but— I'm just saying your people – you're going to have people who are going to be out of Trump because all they care about is the grocery prices.
[01:26:59]  Let me explain.
[01:27:00]  What he's doing is – it's a negotiation.
[01:27:02]  He has to set how he is seen to the outside world.
[01:27:07]  The reason that Trump didn't get any no and had no new words and all that stuff is because he's a lunatic because they were so afraid that he would push the button.
[01:27:14]  They didn't know what he would do.
[01:27:15]  He was unpredictable.
[01:27:16]  They were afraid.
[01:27:17]  They were more willing to negotiate with him.
[01:27:19]  It's kind of like this.
[01:27:20]  If you're doing a court case settlement.
[01:27:21]  Right.
[01:27:22]  They have like a T-sheet.
[01:27:23]  Right.
[01:27:23]  Or if you're buying a house.
[01:27:25]  Right.
[01:27:25]  The seller the seller lists the price higher than what they actually really want to get it for.
[01:27:31]  And then the buyer comes in and they go low.
[01:27:34]  So now he has to have this policy, this objective that seems like it's crazy and it's really going to hurt them and it's really going to impact.
[01:27:44]  And that's why Mexico is already starting to negotiate and do stuff with us because they don't want those taxes and they think he's insane enough to put them in.
[01:27:54]  It is a complete tool.
[01:27:55]  It's a rhetoric tool.
[01:27:56]  It is a I am presenting power and insanity on the world stage and they're afraid of him.
[01:28:02]  And that's why I can be your argument.
[01:28:03]  I'm telling you, the people who voted for him on prices— Are going to be mad if he follows through on this and spikes prices.
[01:28:11]  That's all I'm saying.
[01:28:11]  Well, listen.
[01:28:13]  And don't dispute that that's what 25% on all imports would do.
[01:28:17]  I think that it's important to point out the reason that prices are such an issue is because the inflation has already come and kind of gotten under control, but we had such outrageous inflation.
[01:28:28]  And inflation is a leader, and wages are a laggard.
[01:28:32]  So wages have yet to rise to meet the inflation.
[01:28:35]  That's what...
[01:28:36]  That's what happens.
[01:28:37]  We've actually surpassed it now.
[01:28:41]  People's purchasing power now is where it was pre-pandemic.
[01:28:44]  It's gone back up.
[01:28:45]  I mean, well, I'm not so sure that's the case.
[01:28:47]  Brazil has an inflation rate.
[01:28:48]  Because of the incredible Biden-era wage growth.
[01:28:51]  Real wage growth.
[01:28:53]  I don't know that that's actually true.
[01:28:55]  But the point being, people are responding to what they had felt for the past four years, not just what has happened in the past six months or weeks.
[01:29:03]  All right, so let me just say something.
[01:29:04]  We'll go back to Brazil for a second.
[01:29:06]  So Brazil's inflation rate is higher than their set goal of 3%, but it's at 4.77, right?
[01:29:11]  They have no income tax, and they have the most tariffs out of any country, and they have the highest GDP, right?
[01:29:17]  So their prices aren't going up.
[01:29:20]  They can set these trade agreements, right?
[01:29:22]  They can have their tariffs a certain way.
[01:29:26]  Tariffs are negotiating tools to get what you want, and I think that people are...
[01:29:31]  Only looking at it from a non-strategic method of engaging with economic policies with other countries.
[01:29:40]  And we have notoriously been, because we're the biggest or the richest or the whatever country, we have been like the everybody's, like, you know, like...

=== Why We Left Pride Month (15:20) ===

[01:29:48]  We're the charity for everyone.
[01:29:50]  Everyone come here.
[01:29:51]  I want to get you in on...
[01:29:52]  We're sending a billion dollars to Africa for disaster relief.
[01:29:55]  I want to get you in on this.
[01:29:56]  What's your take on the economic policies that...
[01:30:00]  Look at her face already.
[01:30:01]  I'm going to be honest.
[01:30:02]  I don't really care about this stuff.
[01:30:04]  I did have a point about the tran stuff I wanted to bring up quickly.
[01:30:07]  I will admit, they know more about this than me.
[01:30:09]  It's just not what I'm into.
[01:30:10]  I should read up on it, though.
[01:30:12]  But just back on the tran stuff, because I couldn't get in there.
[01:30:14]  I want something that I think a lot of the people that went to the right and the right is definitely sick of...
[01:30:20]  Is the LGBTQ whatever being shoved down our throats?
[01:30:24]  And Lisa showed me this on the car right here.
[01:30:26]  If you look up, not only do we have a gay pride month, not only, but it's gay pride year all the time because I have this as a link in the doc.
[01:30:33]  There's so many gay holidays, literally multiple every single month.
[01:30:36]  There's even more singular gay holidays in gay pride month.
[01:30:39]  So what is, like, why do they have to shove it down our throats?
[01:30:42]  It's annoying.
[01:30:42]  I'm not, I know that you're not doing it, but I think that's a big shift to the right.
[01:30:46]  Every, it's month, sometimes multiple times a month.
[01:30:48]  It is like, it's like nothing, like, for people that say they're so oppressed, there's nothing more celebrated right now in our culture than gay stuff.
[01:30:55]  And here's the problem that I have with that.
[01:30:56]  Wait, wait, wait.
[01:30:57]  I agree, maybe.
[01:30:59]  This is excessive.
[01:30:59]  Here's what's excessive.
[01:31:00]  No, but I understand the urge to celebrate oneself when for centuries you've been, you know, dehumanized.
[01:31:08]  But you're not anymore.
[01:31:09]  Here's the thing.
[01:31:09]  I go into Target with my daughter, right?
[01:31:11]  He's been alive for centuries, my man.
[01:31:13]  I go in with my five-year-old and my nine-year-old, right?
[01:31:16]  They can read, right?
[01:31:17]  And there's rainbow flags everywhere.
[01:31:20]  And it's like, I forget what it said in this one Target, but it was like, it was like, Like, be gay, right?
[01:31:26]  And like, be something else.
[01:31:27]  And it's like a toddler's t-shirt.
[01:31:28]  And it's like, no, it was like...
[01:31:29]  There's no way it says be gay.
[01:31:31]  I'll find stuff.
[01:31:32]  It was really crazy.
[01:31:33]  Be gay!
[01:31:35]  It really was.
[01:31:36]  Be gay, do crime is something that the left says a lot.
[01:31:39]  I can't remember the exact phrase, but I did tweet about it.
[01:31:42]  So this was a while ago.
[01:31:43]  It was like two years ago.
[01:31:44]  It was so egregious, right?
[01:31:46]  And my kids are like, what does that mean?
[01:31:49]  And so my next neighbor who flies the gay pride flag, we live literally across from a schoolyard where there is...
[01:31:57]  Like, kids, elementary school age, playing out in the thing all the time, right?
[01:32:01]  And so they're asking these questions, right?
[01:32:04]  Like, I don't want my kids sexualized.
[01:32:05]  I don't want them talking about sex.
[01:32:06]  I don't want them knowing about sex.
[01:32:07]  My kids, their third grade class didn't even know what curse words were.
[01:32:10]  That's the kind of environment that I keep them in, right?
[01:32:13]  I don't want to have to.
[01:32:15]  Like, I want to be able to choose when I want to have the conversations about sex and sexuality with my kids, right?
[01:32:23]  Like, if I want to say two people can love each other, if I want to say two men can love each other, that should be fine if they love each other.
[01:32:28]  If I want to say that, I want to choose when I'm allowed to say that without having it plastered everywhere.
[01:32:34]  I mean, all the time plastered everywhere as if it's invoking conversations.
[01:32:38]  That's the problem.
[01:32:39]  So, so let's, let's get, Luke, let's get your take on the, on the, do you believe that it is excessive the way that the, the government is focusing on things like the LGBTQ? Government?
[01:32:51]  Oh, uh.
[01:32:52]  Because, I mean, while making all of these days, I believe these are all sanctioned by the, I mean, they're not, you know, they're not federal holidays, but they are.
[01:33:00]  Some of them are.
[01:33:00]  Harvey Milk Day, federal.
[01:33:01]  Yeah, like they're, yeah, I mean, there is all the time.
[01:33:04]  No, I think y'all found like some LGBTQ website.
[01:33:06]  I don't think all of these are like...
[01:33:07]  No, if you go to national holidays, because I used to have to check them for congressional stuff.
[01:33:11]  Like we have to say like happy whatever day.
[01:33:12]  Again, it's like...
[01:33:13]  Do you think it's shut down our throats or not?
[01:33:15]  I'm like, let's address food insecurity in the country.
[01:33:18]  Let's address poverty.
[01:33:19]  And it's like, oh, there's too many gay holidays.
[01:33:21]  Well, I mean, there are different...
[01:33:22]  Come on.
[01:33:23]  So you're saying you don't want to talk about this topic?
[01:33:25]  Because, I mean, we can move on to something else if we'd like.
[01:33:27]  No, I'll talk about it.
[01:33:27]  I'm trying to demonstrate the point that I'm saying, which is that the Republican politicians that have bad, like, economic prescriptions, they benefit from us fixating over these cultural things that...
[01:33:40]  They force us to fix it.
[01:33:41]  All right, time out.
[01:33:42]  I disagree.
[01:33:43]  I'm addressing it, but...
[01:33:45]  I don't know if there's too many up there.
[01:33:49]  I'm sure we could debate about that.
[01:33:50]  But I do think it's totally understandable that there's been...
[01:33:54]  You were talking so much about backlash, backlash, how y'all have reacted.
[01:33:57]  If you know that...
[01:34:00]  Like a lot of people growing up, too.
[01:34:01]  I was trying to explain this to Isabella with her usage of certain terms.
[01:34:05]  Harmful terms.
[01:34:06]  Slurs.
[01:34:07]  You wouldn't empathize with someone who their whole life felt demonized, dehumanized.
[01:34:12]  So then moments like...
[01:34:14]  Pride month or something.
[01:34:15]  It's just their chance to be like, woohoo, I'm proud of who I am.
[01:34:17]  And if y'all don't think it's moral or something to be gay, that's your journey.
[01:34:22]  Hold on, hold on.
[01:34:22]  I want to put a pin in that.
[01:34:23]  But my ideology says that even with different moral frameworks, we can generally coexist as long as we don't dehumanize, which y'all for, not y'all, but like the right wing for a very long time was doing that.
[01:34:36]  So you mentioned, you mentioned, you know, people, you said people all their lives.
[01:34:40]  There's no one in Gen Z That remembers a time where...
[01:34:44]  It's just not true.
[01:34:46]  I promise.
[01:34:47]  There's no one in Gen Z... You don't even let me finish, but there's no one in Gen Z that really remembers a time where gay marriage wasn't the law of the land.
[01:34:56]  Right?
[01:34:58]  Yeah, because they're too young.
[01:34:59]  How old is Gen Z? Like, what's the oldest Gen Z-er?
[01:35:04]  26, 27. 26, 27?
[01:35:06]  So when was the...
[01:35:09]  It was 2013, was it?
[01:35:10]  Obergefell?
[01:35:10]  I'm not sure.
[01:35:11]  I thought it was like 2012. So it's been a decade.
[01:35:14]  So, I mean, maybe there's a handful of people that were, you know, that are Gen Z, that remember a time before being...
[01:35:22]  It was 2015. I just looked it up.
[01:35:24]  Obergefell be hard.
[01:35:25]  Ten years ago was when Obergefell was passed or the Supreme Court made that decision.
[01:35:32]  So to say that Gen Z is in a situation where they remember a time where they were persecuted for being gay, I think that that's not right.
[01:35:40]  Maybe millennials, definitely Gen Xers could say that, but I don't think that Gen Z could say that.
[01:35:45]  Gen Z wants attention.
[01:35:46]  They want all this, like, oppression points.
[01:35:47]  And by the way, even before it was nationally legalized, it was also becoming legal in certain states with the Supreme Court.
[01:35:53]  But before that, though, there's one even more thing that's like, even more whatever.
[01:35:58]  You said something, and I want to give you credit for that.
[01:36:00]  You think that people can, we can have a framework where we identify, like we each have our belief, moral beliefs, and then it's able to coexist, right?
[01:36:09]  And I think that that's true, right?
[01:36:12]  I do think that that should be allowed.
[01:36:15]  However...
[01:36:16]  We have, like, NFL sports teams making their people wear rainbow pride flags, but they're not making them wear crosses.
[01:36:24]  They're not having a Catholic night where everybody's got to wear a cross on their arm, okay?
[01:36:27]  Black nationally.
[01:36:28]  Hold on, I'm not done.
[01:36:29]  We're not having big, like, Catholic parades where there's naked people in the street, right?
[01:36:34]  We're not having Catholic ideology or whatever taught to kids in school.
[01:36:39]  We're not saying...
[01:36:41]  Well, you're pointing out these are mostly what you're talking about are social things, but they are sanctioned by the government.
[01:36:47]  So even though the government isn't making the NFL do these things and the government's not saying that you must...
[01:36:51]  They're teaching about non-binary stuff in school, but they're not teaching about Catholicism in school.
[01:36:55]  That's right.
[01:36:56]  That's the point.
[01:36:57]  So that's the difference.
[01:36:57]  That's the point that I'm making is they are mostly social things.
[01:37:00]  It's just not true.
[01:37:01]  Y'all...
[01:37:01]  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
[01:37:03]  This is the gaslighting I'm talking about.
[01:37:04]  Wait.
[01:37:04]  What you're talking about is you'll have examples.
[01:37:08]  Like in the curriculum, it's not, hey, in second grade, we're telling you what it means to be trans.
[01:37:13]  At least I haven't seen that in curricula.
[01:37:15]  But what is true is that sometimes teachers, maybe sometimes in ways that are inappropriate, induce their own ideology into teaching as has been happening forever.
[01:37:25]  Wait, my teacher did talk about their Christian views a lot in a public school in an environment where normally that's not supposed to be a thing.
[01:37:33]  I did have them talk about how weird stuff about the Civil War that was kind of weird and right-wing.
[01:37:39]  And that is a thing, and you can take issue with it on the local level with your teachers and all that.
[01:37:45]  But again, the blowing...
[01:37:47]  I'm not trying to gaslight, but I'm just saying the pride message, while there's instances like I agree, if you're in a place where it's just like public and you're naked, stop.
[01:37:55]  But Largely the gays.
[01:37:57]  With the pride message, the best of the pride message and what has helped us make so much progress with the next generation and with current generation and like as the generations have gone on, we've made progress on this, is saying what I'm saying, which is that we can be proud of who we are as individuals and some people can find that behavior immoral.
[01:38:18]  But 10 years ago we were there.
[01:38:18]  But the pride flag isn't saying, like, you have to be gay or you have to be trans.
[01:38:23]  It's saying...
[01:38:23]  No, but it's forcing us to have those conversations.
[01:38:25]  We weren't there 10 years ago.
[01:38:26]  I can tell you that for sure.
[01:38:27]  We weren't.
[01:38:27]  I'm telling you, when I was growing up...
[01:38:30]  I don't think y'all understand.
[01:38:31]  You're complaining so much because people treat you bad because you have a MAGA hat on.
[01:38:36]  You should experience what a lot of people experience.
[01:38:38]  We loved gay people.
[01:38:39]  I loved gay people.
[01:38:41]  People on the right, my mom, everybody loved gay people.
[01:38:43]  Great, that's an awesome experience for you.
[01:38:45]  That's not the universal experience for everybody.
[01:38:47]  But I'm saying there was a cultural shift before you were born, okay?
[01:38:50]  How do you think we made that cultural shift?
[01:38:52]  Yeah, sometimes the pendulum slings a little bit far in this direction.
[01:38:52]  You could be my kid.
[01:38:55]  That's my point, is now it's moving a little too far, right?
[01:38:58]  Now it feels ubiquitous, and that's why there's backlash.
[01:39:00]  I didn't care before if gay people got married.
[01:39:02]  Now I don't want them married.
[01:39:03]  Like, that's literally how I went.
[01:39:05]  That's just like a really reactionary way to view...
[01:39:07]  Well, because it's like you take it...
[01:39:09]  It's like, give an inch, take a mile, right?
[01:39:11]  It's never enough.
[01:39:12]  That's the thing.
[01:39:13]  They need a social cause to be the victim of...
[01:39:18]  But it is.
[01:39:19]  They need a social cause to be a victim of, to constantly be in this fighting mentality.
[01:39:23]  It's kind of like the Marxist social trend.
[01:39:24]  It is fair to say that as long as you have lobbying groups and special interest groups, that they're going to need to be...
[01:39:34]  In a position of victimhood so that way they can continue to...
[01:39:37]  And that's why we need to fight.
[01:39:38]  Now whether or not you think that it's extensive...
[01:39:41]  Across the political spectrum there's like Trump Bibles being put in...
[01:39:44]  Every time anyone says anything you're like, well Trump.
[01:39:48]  Like you've literally replied with Trump's name almost everything I say.
[01:39:51]  And I wasn't making...
[01:39:52]  I'm trying to demonstrate...
[01:39:53]  Like it's whenever I'm demonstrating a principle.
[01:39:54]  If you vote on the basis of some of these issues without understanding how they're ubiquitous then you're voting in a misinformed way.
[01:40:03]  So I'm trying to Well, everyone has their own interest in the things that they're going to be concerned with.
[01:40:09]  So the people that would be in LGBT lobby, they're going to be voting against things that are positive for Christians or whatever.
[01:40:15]  That's not true.
[01:40:16]  That's my point, though.
[01:40:17]  So then Christians vote against gay people, but gay people don't vote against...
[01:40:21]  No, not all Christians vote against gay people.
[01:40:23]  No ones.
[01:40:24]  What you're alluding to – maybe it's not – I'm not saying that everyone – but what you're alluding to is people on the right will vote against the things that are good for gay people or whatever, but people that are on the left won't vote against things that are good for gay Christians want.
[01:40:35]  No, I think sometimes the Democratic Party also is successful in blowing these issues or convincing people to be distracted by certain issues that then they don't actually have to do as much structural stuff on.
[01:40:46]  Like the economic things I think we should fix would be contradictory to that of a lot of special interests.
[01:40:51]  Powerful, big pharma, big oil, etc.
[01:40:55]  And so it's easier to run on issues that don't threaten those special interests, which the right and left do, but at least the Democratic Party has some record of making positive economic progress, whereas the Republican Party is just using the fuel of these cultural issues.
[01:41:14]  So what I want to say about that is, you said like- Oh, and pride is not exclusionary of Christianity.
[01:41:21]  It is vice versa if you believe- No, they mock it.
[01:41:23]  They dress up as nuns and mock it.
[01:41:25]  Would you consider the- I don't like mocking religions, but I'm saying that one is saying you get to be who you are if that's a super religious, straight, whatever.
[01:41:35]  You can be proud of that.
[01:41:36]  I strongly disagree with that.
[01:41:37]  They don't let us.
[01:41:37]  You must celebrate this.
[01:41:38]  You think the pride is saying everyone should be gay?
[01:41:41]  How does that even- No, but they're saying you don't want to have sex with a trans woman, so a man, then that's transphobic.
[01:41:47]  They do say that.
[01:41:47]  They say that.
[01:41:48]  I don't believe that anyone of note, any Democratic politician has ever said that.
[01:41:52]  It's always about the politicians.
[01:41:53]  Because I'm not going to get bogged down.
[01:41:54]  Do you understand the framework?
[01:41:56]  Engagement sells on social media.
[01:41:57]  So we're always going to hear these really loud idiots.
[01:42:01]  And I'm not going to let my entire political analysis be skewed by that.
[01:42:04]  So instead, I'm going to focus on relevant people, which are people in positions of power.
[01:42:07]  But y'all's whole world is shaped by an annoying TikToker with blue hair.
[01:42:11]  I just earlier mentioned that there's a congressperson from, I believe it's from Montana, that's a trans person that was saying, you know, what was the remark they made?
[01:42:26]  That trans women are biological women.
[01:42:29]  Show me that.
[01:42:30]  And while we're getting that up, I did want to point out you did mention how you had a Christian teacher.
[01:42:37]  What is the percentage of teachers that pushed a left-wing ideology onto you?
[01:42:40]  Because I had that way more.
[01:42:42]  I had like two conservative teachers in my entire life of like high school through college and everyone else was super left-wing.
[01:42:48]  So this is the point that conservatives are making.
[01:42:50]  And you say that we just feel like we're being victimized.
[01:42:52]  No, we know that they want us to know we're in the minority because at every single major institution we have the Hollywood elites, the college, like the education system, the government, even though I guess Trump will be in the government now, we all still know that and Largely, there's a lot of politicians that condemn just being conservatives, you're transphobic, all these certain things.
[01:43:10]  I mean, literally every single major institution in America skews left.
[01:43:14]  So we're sick of being told that, no, we're just feeling like victimized.
[01:43:17]  No, that's the truth.
[01:43:18]  Tell me, can you answer the question?
[01:43:19]  How many teachers, like, be honest, were left-wing that you could tell?
[01:43:23]  My school district?
[01:43:25]  Oh, it was probably more.
[01:43:26]  It doesn't matter.
[01:43:27]  Like, overall, you might have an issue.
[01:43:29]  Like, statistically, teachers wildly skewed down.
[01:43:32]  Absolutely.
[01:43:33]  You might have an issue with the actual, with the outlet, but the transgender women are every bit as biologically female as cis women, biological trans state lawmaker claims.
[01:43:43]  That's Zoe Ziffer, the Montana state rep.
[01:43:46]  Direct question.
[01:43:46]  So the trans women are women, full stop thing, I don't have a problem with.
[01:43:49]  Obviously, biologically female is an incorrect.
[01:43:51]  Okay, so this is exactly what I'm talking about.
[01:43:54]  There are congresspeople.
[01:43:56]  There was a congressperson.
[01:43:57]  I was a state rep, but yeah.
[01:43:58]  They're elected officials.
[01:43:59]  There is a trans person that was just elected to the congress in Delaware, as a representative from Delaware, shares these beliefs.
[01:44:10]  But...
[01:44:11]  I'd love to see the context of that.
[01:44:13]  Delaware...
[01:44:14]  That is weird.
[01:44:14]  Everybody is biologically...
[01:44:16]  What context do you need?
[01:44:17]  The reason is, there's a quote within a quote.
[01:44:20]  I think probably, this is a total guess.
[01:44:22]  She might just be wrong, which I will totally admit.
[01:44:25]  I feel like there's a chance someone said, are they biological female?
[01:44:27]  And she said, they're every bit a woman as a cis woman.
[01:44:30]  There's no context needed.
[01:44:31]  It's very clear.
[01:44:32]  There is, because when we make the distinction between your gender identity, how you're identified, versus your biology.
[01:44:37]  She said biology.
[01:44:39]  The quote within the quote is what I'm wondering about, if that was her words, but maybe.
[01:44:43]  But it looks like that's what she said, and then she would be wrong.
[01:44:45]  I think the reason they put the quotes in there is because it's actually, like, factually wrong, what she said.

=== Incorrect Statements (01:42) ===

[01:44:52]  Oh, maybe that's why.
[01:44:53]  Because they're not actually biologically female.
[01:44:55]  So she's saying they're biologically female, so the quotes are to say, oh no, she's implying this, but it's actually wrong.
[01:45:02]  Yeah, so then state rep Zoe Zephyr would have made an incorrect statement there.
[01:45:06]  Okay.
[01:45:06]  So, like, you know how you were saying, though, that the left focuses on economic issues and things like that?
[01:45:12]  No, not enough, but...
[01:45:13]  Okay, but when I was watching, like, I think that both sides do this, and it's really because the general American public is stupid.
[01:45:20]  And so, like, this is how they do it.
[01:45:22]  But if you were to look at, like, the marketing materials of both sides...
[01:45:26]  Clearly they were like fanning the flames.
[01:45:27]  We were looking at, you know, a clip that you said of Kamala Harris saying the thing about the transgender prisoners and all that, right?
[01:45:34]  And we were focusing on those type of issues.
[01:45:37]  But at least she said it.
[01:45:39]  We had her literally running ads that were complete factual lies.
[01:45:45]  We had Kamala Harris saying that Trump doesn't support IVF, but he actually said a plan for IVF. The level...
[01:45:52]  Every time they said the very fine people statement, it was an absolute lie.
[01:45:57]  And it was debunked like a million times, but everyone said it over and over.
[01:46:00]  Obama said it on the platform.
[01:46:02]  In this election, misinformation will never be censored.
[01:46:05]  He specifically said, I'm not talking about the white nationalists and the Nazis.
[01:46:11]  He specifically said that.
[01:46:13]  I agree.
[01:46:13]  It's been taken out of context, but it's also not a lie because he was saying the people who wanted the statue to stay, that was comprised of a lot of white nationalists.

=== Border Rejections Debate (10:58) ===

[01:46:22]  That's what a lot of that was.
[01:46:23]  That's a real stretch.
[01:46:25]  And then Trump made the distinction.
[01:46:26]  That's a real stretch when he specifically said...
[01:46:28]  The two sides?
[01:46:28]  What were the two sides?
[01:46:30]  People that didn't want their history torn down.
[01:46:31]  Yeah, there were people there that were...
[01:46:32]  That is, but okay.
[01:46:33]  The statue?
[01:46:34]  Yeah, there's people like me.
[01:46:35]  Yeah, the statue thing is like...
[01:46:36]  I love Robert E. Lay.
[01:46:37]  I love him.
[01:46:38]  I love that man.
[01:46:39]  And like, I've learned so much about him and what an inspiring...
[01:46:43]  Why can't you learn history without celebrating bad parts of it?
[01:46:46]  Wait, wait, wait.
[01:46:46]  He wasn't a bad person in general, actually.
[01:46:49]  He wasn't even like a fan of slavery.
[01:46:50]  He loved...
[01:46:51]  See, we don't have a devotion to our land like they did back then.
[01:46:54]  Land was sustenance for them.
[01:46:56]  Land was survival for them back then.
[01:46:58]  And so what his problem was is...
[01:47:00]  Like, he was actually a West Point guy, right?
[01:47:03]  Like, he was a West Point guy, and he was asked to fight for the Union.
[01:47:06]  And he said, I can't fight brother against brother, and so I'm going to go defend Virginia.
[01:47:11]  It didn't—he wasn't—like, General Lee wasn't, like, about the slavery thing.
[01:47:16]  As a matter of fact, I think he had less than— Something like one and a half percent of American Southerners owned slaves.
[01:47:21]  Yeah, it was like something ridiculous.
[01:47:22]  That's not the point.
[01:47:23]  I don't even want to get into that conversation.
[01:47:24]  But that doesn't mean that he was like a bad person.
[01:47:27]  He was a brilliant, brilliant general.
[01:47:29]  And he was actually a very cool, good, good human being.
[01:47:33]  And just because he feels some loyalty to land, to land, and he doesn't want to fight against his own brother or father.
[01:47:38]  No matter how good of a person you think they were, is the leader.
[01:47:42]  Leads the military uprising and rebellion against the United States government over the issue of slavery.
[01:47:48]  Who fired first?
[01:47:49]  Who drilled up?
[01:47:51]  That is not someone that I want to put statues up to.
[01:47:54]  Listen, there's ten minutes left or so, and I don't think that it's a great idea to try to debate the...
[01:48:00]  The Civil War.
[01:48:01]  But what I would like to do on the- You'd love my middle school teacher.
[01:48:04]  The very last thing that I want to talk about is immigration, right?
[01:48:09]  The problems at the border.
[01:48:12]  I do I am interested in your takes considering the fact that for three of the four years that President Biden was the you know was was in office.
[01:48:21]  It was there was no problem at the border.
[01:48:23]  There's no problem at the border.
[01:48:24]  And it was all all you know nothing's wrong.
[01:48:27]  President Biden himself said that he wanted to see a surge at the border when he was running.
[01:48:32]  The surge came.
[01:48:33]  There were massive negative consequences for the population.
[01:48:38]  And now we have a significant increase in crime and you have cities that are that are that are dealing with the economic burdens.
[01:48:46]  And trafficking human trafficking human trafficking.
[01:48:48]  Human trafficking that's happened because of it.
[01:48:51]  And then for the past year, the Biden administration has admitted, or the last year of the administration, they admitted that there was problems.
[01:48:59]  I'd like to hear your take on that.
[01:49:00]  I'm interested in what your opinion is.
[01:49:02]  Yeah, so I don't want to trigger you and bring up Trump again, but let's start with my criticism of Democrats, but then let me talk about why Republicans aren't any better on this issue.
[01:49:16]  But first— Well, no, but that's not where—I'm not asking you why are Republicans better.
[01:49:19]  I'm asking you to talk about your Democrats.
[01:49:20]  It is crucial because they are linked because Biden's inaction was in part prompted by the fact that Republicans refused to do anything congressionally, which Biden thought a systemic approach was better.
[01:49:30]  That's not true.
[01:49:31]  Hold on, hold on.
[01:49:32]  Let me just say this.
[01:49:33]  In 2019, real quick.
[01:49:34]  If you're going to ask me a question, like, give me your take on immigration.
[01:49:37]  I would like your take, Lisa.
[01:49:39]  So, Biden, Harris, at the beginning, made a lot of bad calls.
[01:49:45]  They waited too long to address it comprehensively.
[01:49:48]  Now, they did introduce an immigration reform thing right when they came in.
[01:49:51]  Republicans said, we don't want to engage at all.
[01:49:52]  That could have been a chance to do something.
[01:49:54]  They did propose the border security bill.
[01:49:56]  Trump encouraged Republicans to shoot down.
[01:49:58]  So there's these cases of why Republicans shouldn't get political.
[01:50:00]  Do you know why the Republicans should?
[01:50:01]  I know why y'all think it is, but that's wrong.
[01:50:04]  It's not because a bunch of people were let into the country.
[01:50:06]  That's not why.
[01:50:08]  Okay, what do you think?
[01:50:08]  Well, because it would have allowed for people to...
[01:50:12]  That's what I just said.
[01:50:13]  Sorry, go.
[01:50:13]  Sorry.
[01:50:14]  Sorry.
[01:50:16]  Sorry, I'm sorry.
[01:50:16]  I just debate this a lot.
[01:50:17]  Sorry, go.
[01:50:18]  So it would have allowed for up to 5,000 people to be let in and it would have allowed, essentially it may have been a naturalization bill, it would have allowed the people that were here to stay.
[01:50:27]  So, the 5,000 point, I've dealt with so much because it's not that.
[01:50:33]  It was that right now, encounters with the people that you're arresting If there are 5,000 encounters per day, that doesn't do anything in terms of enhancing presidential powers.
[01:50:43]  What this bill proposed was not that you're letting them go, but instead that the 5,000 triggers new power that Trump never had, that Obama never had, that Biden never had, that allows you to restrict the asylum process.
[01:50:56]  Because right now under U.S. law, Trump and Biden, same.
[01:50:59]  You have to hear asylum claims.
[01:51:02]  Very expansively.
[01:51:03]  This would restrict that once the encounters get out of control, which is very different than just letting them...
[01:51:08]  It was 5,000 people, right, up until...
[01:51:10]  Did you hear what I said?
[01:51:10]  But they're still getting arrested!
[01:51:11]  Yes, they're still getting arrested.
[01:51:13]  They weren't being held.
[01:51:14]  They were being allowed into the country.
[01:51:16]  Which is actually the biggest problem, right?
[01:51:18]  Yeah, I put it in the doc.
[01:51:20]  I'll pull it up.
[01:51:20]  But let's do the comparison later because I know that will immediately prompt more responses than just, I do think Biden-Herrit, that hurt them a lot, that issue politically.
[01:51:27]  It didn't spite crime.
[01:51:28]  Crime has been plummeting under them.
[01:51:29]  But I do think as an issue, they were afraid of the really, which a lot of beautiful people doing this work, the immigrant advocates, they were afraid that they would look too much like Trump's inhumane policies, which he went too far in the inhumane direction.
[01:51:43]  Like kids in cages, that was actually fake photos from under Obama.
[01:51:47]  The cages weren't used for separating children like Trump was doing.
[01:51:52]  But yes, those kids were under Obama.
[01:51:54]  When you get arrested, parents don't get arrested.
[01:51:56]  They don't stay with their kids.
[01:51:58]  Do you think you need to be arrested and then have to arrest the kids?
[01:52:01]  Kids should be held in jail with their parents?
[01:52:05]  Given the type of crime that crossing the border illegally is, and it not being a felony, you can fact check me on that.
[01:52:12]  Okay, but you're having people, if you keep them together...
[01:52:14]  I don't think separating the children is a very traumatic thing if maybe they have a valid, you know, a silent claim and all of a sudden you're doing this crazy thing and then they get all mixed up and it's this whole debacle.
[01:52:23]  But do you see why...
[01:52:24]  Wait!
[01:52:25]  So, my thing, I'm trying to be nice to y'all.
[01:52:28]  Yes, they waited too long to take it seriously, but then y'all don't have a thing to say about it, because once they were ready to take it seriously, Republicans went, nah.
[01:52:40]  Okay, here's my turn.
[01:52:41]  And I put in the doc, Newsweek reports Trump released, your brains are going to explode, but more migrants with criminal records than Biden did.
[01:52:48]  Entering the U.S. is a felony.
[01:52:50]  Okay, time out, time out, time out.
[01:52:52]  Thank you, Kyle.
[01:52:52]  So wait, let me just go.
[01:52:54]  Don't talk.
[01:52:54]  Okay, so here we go.
[01:52:56]  What I want to say is when...
[01:52:58]  This is like, it's humane.
[01:52:59]  I think it's more humane to separate kids from their parents, like in these situations, because you're housing them with other people who cross the border who have not been vetted.
[01:53:08]  So do I want kids in this tightly quartered environment with people who may be like adults that may be predators or things like that?
[01:53:17]  No, you want the kids...
[01:53:18]  Separate it from them so that they're...
[01:53:20]  Wait, let me finish.
[01:53:21]  The first offense is a misdemeanor.
[01:53:22]  Hold on.
[01:53:23]  You got to go.
[01:53:24]  Let me go.
[01:53:24]  So I think it's more humane to separate the kids to protect their well-being.
[01:53:29]  Now, that said...
[01:53:30]  Now, come here.
[01:53:30]  You said...
[01:53:31]  This is my biggest thing because I did a lot of street interviews with James Klug on this.
[01:53:34]  The biggest thing that they say is when Trump...
[01:53:37]  When we were ready to act, Congress didn't want to do it.
[01:53:40]  Let me show you this because I was here for this.
[01:53:42]  In 2019...
[01:53:43]  The Democrats rejected a border wall.
[01:53:46]  Now, can you please scroll down there and look at the things that it offered, okay?
[01:53:50]  We were giving, okay, $800 million for urgent humanitarian assistance, $500 million for drug detection, additional border agents, immigration judges.
[01:54:01]  That was huge, right?
[01:54:02]  We also were giving, keep going if you go all the way down, allowing Central American minors to apply in their home countries, All these things.
[01:54:10]  And then in exchange for it, we were giving recipients from DACA. We were going to give more DACA recipients the ability to become naturalized.
[01:54:19]  And a three-year extension of temporary protected status for people that were here.
[01:54:23]  Dems rejected it.
[01:54:24]  So when you want to give me the argument that Republicans didn't want to do anything.
[01:54:29]  No, we actually gave them a way more balanced bill than they ever put on the table.
[01:54:34]  It is.
[01:54:35]  This is an NPR article.
[01:54:36]  Oh, you're right.
[01:54:36]  More balanced.
[01:54:37]  You're right.
[01:54:37]  We gave you way more balanced opportunities.
[01:54:40]  So I don't want to hear that we weren't ready to play ball.
[01:54:43]  This is what I'm talking about, though.
[01:54:45]  Whenever...
[01:54:46]  That wasn't Biden.
[01:54:47]  Biden wasn't in power then.
[01:54:48]  I'm talking about Biden because that's who was running for president.
[01:54:51]  No, we're talking about Democrat versus Republican.
[01:54:52]  Harris.
[01:54:53]  I can't speak for every Democratic action because I can tell you this...
[01:54:56]  Well, we're talking about the Democratic Congress.
[01:54:58]  Democratic Congress rejected this.
[01:55:00]  Just like the Republican Congress rejected yours.
[01:55:03]  You got to talk.
[01:55:04]  It's my turn.
[01:55:04]  So what I'm saying...
[01:55:05]  You asked me a question.
[01:55:06]  I want to tell you.
[01:55:06]  I'm saying that the Democrats...
[01:55:08]  You're changing it back to Biden.
[01:55:10]  That's not what we're doing.
[01:55:11]  You said the Congress didn't want to act...
[01:55:14]  No, you said Congress didn't want to act.
[01:55:17]  What did I think about the Biden administration handling of the border?
[01:55:19]  I'm not going to defend you on this one.
[01:55:21]  I don't need you to defend.
[01:55:22]  I'm just saying you did ask me about Biden administration.
[01:55:24]  I want to talk about this.
[01:55:25]  You said Congress didn't act.
[01:55:26]  Let me talk about it!
[01:55:27]  I'm not going to finish my statement.
[01:55:28]  You said Congress didn't act.
[01:55:29]  The Congress refused to act.
[01:55:31]  You didn't say Biden didn't act or Trump didn't act.
[01:55:33]  You said Congress.
[01:55:34]  And so I'm going back to...
[01:55:35]  During the Biden administration...
[01:55:37]  I said for the first two and a half years, he slow walked.
[01:55:41]  He did.
[01:55:41]  Bad, bad, bad.
[01:55:43]  I condemn.
[01:55:44]  I condemn.
[01:55:44]  And then when it was time.
[01:55:45]  And then on this, the whole border wall thing, I agree, it got so ridiculously blown out of proportion.
[01:55:53]  Give him the damn border wall if he wants it.
[01:55:56]  We tried to work with you.
[01:55:57]  This is what this is showing.
[01:55:58]  And you rejected us.
[01:55:59]  And then when we reject you, it's, oh, we are responsible for the immigration policy?
[01:56:03]  No, you wouldn't work with us for years when we offered way more fair policies.
[01:56:07]  I was told, I was told that Trump had fixed everything and handed that to Biden.
[01:56:11]  It was way better.
[01:56:12]  Look at the stats.
[01:56:13]  Okay.
[01:56:13]  Way better.
[01:56:14]  Because they were afraid of him.
[01:56:15]  Because he was leaving office.
[01:56:16]  But, no, the one year y'all love was the pandemic here because migration froze because of the pandemic.
[01:56:21]  But I don't even know if we want to go there.
[01:56:25]  These are record numbers.
[01:56:26]  You won't speak for all Democrats, but just speak for all of us.
[01:56:28]  We have two minutes, and I wanted to get to see what we could agree on and how we could get along.
[01:56:32]  But let's finish this up.
[01:56:33]  How about we both agree that obstructing solutions, because in Nancy Pelosi's case, she probably didn't want to give Trump a win.
[01:56:39]  In the Republican-led Congress, they didn't want to give Biden a win, is bad, regardless of who's doing it.
[01:56:45]  All right, so we are going to wrap it up, but I do want to get final thoughts.
[01:56:49]  Would you go ahead, Luca, what do you got for us?
[01:56:51]  Thank you for watching.
[01:56:52]  I've enjoyed talking with all of you.
[01:56:53]  Go watch on my channel.
[01:56:55]  Can't say what we're going to agree on?

=== Yelling At Each Other (02:05) ===

[01:56:57]  We can say it in the final thoughts.
[01:56:59]  We'll do it in a different one.
[01:56:59]  Isabella and I have a show once a week on Sundays that comes out called The Grudge where we do a lot of this.
[01:57:05]  And she's way more fiery than you see.
[01:57:08]  That's because I take over.
[01:57:10]  Explosive.
[01:57:11]  Too much so.
[01:57:12]  We have to edit some out.
[01:57:13]  We can't have Isabella's stuff.
[01:57:15]  Y'all would have a difficult time editing if she went full Isabella.
[01:57:19]  So that's interesting.
[01:57:21]  Or fun time editing.
[01:57:22]  I do think if you're sort of like liberal curious.
[01:57:25]  I'm the best version of it.
[01:57:27]  Yeah, we have a show.
[01:57:28]  You guys should watch it.
[01:57:28]  We fight.
[01:57:29]  We literally are yelling at each other the entire time.
[01:57:31]  It's a lot of fun.
[01:57:32]  I do want to commend Luke for coming and sitting and talking with us because it really was three against one.
[01:57:37]  So he's a good sport.
[01:57:38]  Most leftists won't do that.
[01:57:39]  So that's really cool.
[01:57:41]  And yeah, it was exciting.
[01:57:42]  I actually think you're reasonable.
[01:57:42]  And I think that we could get to a lot more neutral ground than people think we can.
[01:57:46]  I think we can agree on stuff, even though that was a whole two hours of fighting.
[01:57:50]  Yeah, that was crazy.
[01:57:51]  That was like yelling.
[01:57:53]  That flew by.
[01:57:53]  That was me yelling.
[01:57:54]  I know.
[01:57:54]  But then I felt like I had to yell.
[01:57:55]  I'm a loud person, though.
[01:57:56]  I know you are.
[01:57:57]  But yeah, thanks for having me.
[01:57:58]  Check out the show.
[01:57:59]  I also have a YouTube channel at Isabella Moody underscore.
[01:58:02]  And yeah.
[01:58:03]  Lisa?
[01:58:04]  I just want to say, like I said, thanks for coming out.
[01:58:06]  I really appreciate it.
[01:58:07]  I think we need more of these kind of discussions.
[01:58:09]  And as somebody who books for this show specifically, it's really difficult to get leftists to come on at all to even engage in these conversations.
[01:58:16]  And this was really brutal.
[01:58:17]  Usually it's not this bad.
[01:58:18]  It's not three against one.
[01:58:20]  So thank you.
[01:58:21]  And if you have any friends that want to come on, send them our way and you can come with them.
[01:58:24]  You can tag team in.
[01:58:26]  Oh, I got a good one.
[01:58:27]  Okay, good.
[01:58:27]  Let's set it up because I think it's interesting and more people...
[01:58:32]  Our audience likes it.
[01:58:33]  Our audience wants us to engage with you more.
[01:58:36]  So thanks for coming on.
[01:58:38]  I appreciate it.
[01:58:38]  And I'm sad we missed an opportunity to talk about the things we do agree on because I think that there could be lots of things.
[01:58:45]  So maybe next time we'll do, hey, what can we agree on?
[01:58:48]  And I want to take a second to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
[01:58:53]  Yeah.
[01:58:54]  See, I'm the one that's got the holiday spirit here.
[01:58:58]  I'll say happy holidays as well.
[01:59:00]  No, no.
[01:59:01]  I'm pretty sure we do Merry Christmas around here.