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Nov. 8, 2024 - The Culture War - Tim Pool

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Trump 2.0: Trump's Revenge is Coming w/General Flynn & Sean Stone

Hosts: Tim Pool @Timcast (everywhere) Phil Labonte @PhilThatRemains (X) Guests: General Michael Flynn | https://www.flynnmovie.com/ Sean Stone | https://tuckercarlson.com/ Producers: Lisa Elizabeth @LisaElizabeth (X) Kellen Leeson @KellenPDL (X) My Second Channel - https://www.youtube.com/timcastnews Podcast Channel - https://www.youtube.com/TimcastIRL

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michael flynn

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sean stone

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tim pool

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When we were setting up this studio and preparing to come down to Daily Wire HQ, we had no idea what to expect.
		So we actually had a conversation with the crew here at the Daily Wire about what if we have to go live all week?
		And then I was talking to Jeremy, Jeremy Boring, and I said, hey, look, man.
		What if we don't know what's going to happen by Saturday?
		I mean, you know, we don't normally do Tim Castile live on the weekends, but I think if we're still awaiting results and there's lawsuits and chaos, we're going to have to go live.
		And it's like, don't worry about it, man.
		We got you.
		And then 1.30 a.m.
		the following morning election in November 6th, we got clean results.
		And it was just, okay, well, all right.
		Now, I'm hearing a lot of people say that they're still worried because it feels like the calm before the storm.
		But for the time being, let's remain optimistic and under the impression that this is a Republican sweep.
		Donald Trump will be taking office on January 20th.
		And it doesn't look like with the way the House is going, there's going to be any challenges to certification.
		I mean, there may be, but not significant because it's going to be a Republican sweep.
		So with that being said, I feel extremely lucky to have these two gentlemen joining us for this episode of The Culture War, considering we now know that we are on track for Trump to come back into office and start cleaning up this mess.
		But why don't we just start with introductions?
		We'll start with you.
		Sean, do you want to introduce yourself?
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		I'm Sean Stone.
		I'm a filmmaker.
		I have a long background.
		What do you want to start?
		Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura, acting in film since I was a kid, did Buzzsaw for Gaia Channel, as well as watching the Hawks for RT for a few years, and a number of documentaries and a couple of feature films as well.
		So this is a new series that I just directed called All the President's Men we'll be talking about today.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And this is about all the people in the deep states?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's the synopsis?
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the synopsis.
		So it's the conspiracy against Trump's first administration, essentially, from 2016 when he was running.
		We feature General Michael Flynn, George Papadopoulos, Carter Page, Roger Stone, all of whom were indicted, some of whom went to prison on this Russia collusion hoax.
		But it's deeper than a hoax.
		It really is a conspiracy.
		By the intel community under Obama, by the Hillary Clinton people, by the FBI, you know, heads of FBI like Comey and company.
		And we get into essentially just some of these – and by the way, this is just the surface level.
		This is what we know just from the Durham report and other things.
		There are much deeper layers that we still don't know fully about the entire collaboration of the Five Eyes, the Foreign Intelligence Services, you know, the depths of the CIA – Thanks, Tim.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Phil, for having me.
		And Sean, it's great to see you.
		Sean and I have had a great, great relationship for years now.
		Yeah, I mean, sort of where do you begin, right?
		So I had a really, really amazing career in the military, nearly 34 years of fighting everything from the former Soviet Union to the...
		To the Contras in Central America, operations in the Caribbean, a lot of time in the Middle East, Central Asia.
		Five years of my nearly 34 years were in direct combat operations.
		So a lot of people know a little bit of that, and that was a great experience for me.
		I come from a family of military.
		Both my grandfathers served in World War I and World War II, and my father served in World War II Korea.
		My brother served in the Vietnam era.
		My son is continuing to serve.
		I have a brother, Charlie, who's a four-star.
		Who actually retires today after 40 years.
		And between he and I, we've been in every single conflict since really Desert Shield, Desert Storm, and Grenada.
		And I go back to Grenada.
		I jumped into politics with Trump.
		Trump hired me to be his national security advisor.
		That's a big story out there.
		If you're not aware of it, you've been sleeping under a rock.
		And we'll talk maybe a little bit about that going forward because I think everything right now we have to project forward.
		A lot of people don't know I am the author of seven books and two of those are bestsellers.
		I hold three master's degrees.
		I'm a lifelong learner.
		I'm one of nine children.
		I grew up in a very tough Irish Catholic family up in the state of Rhode Island.
		And Tim and I were talking about skateboarding earlier because I, in 19, I think it was 1972 at the University of Rhode Island where we had the East Coast Skateboarding Championships.
		I was the New England champion on a skateboard, on a steel skateboard with early, early polyurethane wheels, very early polyurethane wheels, didn't have the ball bearings at that time.
		And was able to do little tricks.
		I mean, you showed me some this morning that were pretty cool.
		And you invented.
		And at that time, we were just jumping sticks and clicking.
		I mean, I could do four 360s.
		I don't know what that is.
		I'm not a math major.
		At a time, right?
		Going down a hill at about 30 miles an hour.
		And I surf.
		I'm a lifelong surfer.
		I still own 10 surfboards.
		I've been surfing for over 55 years of my life, and I've surfed big waves, little waves, mostly East Coast.
		But my military experiences, I lived out in Hawaii.
		I was staging out in Hawaii for a while, so I used to surf up in the North Shore quite a bit.
		So that was just a little bit of background, but great life.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Should be very interesting and exciting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We got Phil hanging out as well.
unidentified		Hello, everybody.
		My name is Phil Labonte.
		I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, All That Remains.
		I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
		Let's go.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I really think we're going to dive into all of the president's men.
		And I want to start with this.
		General Flynn, could you walk us through what happened when the deep state went after you?
		Because everything that I've read, it sounds like it was a load of crap, and it was entrapment or some kind of trick.
		And any time I hear about the FBI is going to interview somebody or otherwise, I see people on Twitter saying, don't forget General Flynn.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Well, you should probably start with when they first came after you, when they got rid of you as the Director of Defense Intelligence Agency, right?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, I think that that's part of it.
		It goes back to, there's a lot of things.
		And I did also, we produced a movie called Flynn.
		People can go see it.
		You can go to FlynnMovie.com.
		But it really goes back to when I was in the military state.
		I was in Afghanistan.
		I was a senior intelligence officer in Afghanistan, and I wrote a report called Fixing Intel, where I basically told the entirety of the United States intelligence community that they weren't doing their job, and that was after 10 years of war.
		And at that point in time, I mean, the intel community leaders wanted my head Secretary of Defense Bob Gates told everybody to shut up.
		It was a brilliant report.
		You know, this guy's on the battlefield.
		We got a war to fight, you know, and so that kind of that was sort of an early, you know, mark for Mike Flynn to say, I'm not going to go with the grain.
		I'm going to go against the grain, especially when we're talking about putting lives on the line.
		Fast forward, I was the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, which Barack Obama actually appointed me into.
		So he put me into the job.
		And during a public testimony to Congress, When a group of us, and it's a very famous shot, it's Comey, Brennan, Jim Clapper, and myself.
		Very famous shot.
		And we were all asked about ISIS and what was the status of ISIS, because the Obama administration had said that these guys are defeated, they're on the run.
		And so when all of us were asked the exact same question, the other three had the pat...
		Talking point answers.
		And I said just the opposite.
		And I said, no, they're not on the run.
		They're growing.
		They're emerging.
		ISIS is growing in about 24 or 25 countries.
		And immediately after that testimony that I gave, I was brought into an office in the Pentagon and asked to step down from that job.
		And that job is a commander, essentially, of one of the largest intel agencies in the world.
		You know, where you not only command, you know, the Defense Intelligence Agency itself, but you also are, you oversee all of the Department of Defense Intelligence activities.
		So, yeah, and you're the senior most military intelligence officer in the Pentagon.
		So it's a big deal, big job.
		And I was dismissed from that at that time.
		And then all of a sudden I get involved with Trump and I'm, you know, helping him out win the 2016 election.
		He wins.
		He asks me to be his national security advisor and all hell broke loose.
		I mean, all hell broke loose.
		In fact, there's there's even evidence that came out about a week ago.
		Additional evidence from these foyers, Tim, that people are continuing to dig, as Sean just highlighted.
		There's so much more information that's still...
		I mean, this the depth of stuff that is still held inside of the intelligence community would blow away the Kennedy, the JFK assassination.
		OK, because it's not just killing a president.
		It's it's an attempt to take over the United States of America.
		And they did it sitting in the White House, sitting, sitting behind Obama, sitting behind the Oval Office on the 5th of January of 2017.
		And we know this.
		In fact, in fact, on Newsmax the other night, it might have been last night, Kelly, Greg Kelly.
		You know, Biden comes out and says how we're going to have this peaceful transfer of power.
		you know, to Trump now, right?
		And that was the last thing that they were talking about.
		In fact, we have the receipts.
		I, you know, basically in my case, we brought it forward.
		We fought to get the evidence because Most people think I was convicted and went to prison, right?
		I should have asked you guys if you thought I did.
		And I was never convicted, never went to prison.
		My case was dismissed.
		But I had to get a pardon because a judge, a federal judge, wouldn't let me go because he got the bird whistle from Obama.
		So, and that's, I don't know how much detail you want to get into.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but this is...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's been a while since we've covered the story, but they accused you of lying.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		But it began.
		So, Tim, this story that we are facing right now, what Trump is going through, what we all experienced going up to this election, and these people are not done.
		So these people are not finished trying to screw Trump and screw this country and basically take it over.
		I mean, this is a long time in coming.
		I mean, this is how they operate.
		And so those early days, and actually we know it began in 2015 when Trump decided they weren't exactly sure how Trump was going to play out in the primaries during that period of time.
		But when he did, and then he wins, now all of a sudden it's like, okay, we can't allow this to happen.
		Because the bigger plan, and most people don't know, but this is for real.
		And they will...
		They won't argue this.
		The bigger plan was eight years of Obama, eight years of Hillary, and the Tim cast live from the Daily Wire headquarters wouldn't exist.
		So we are still in the throes of this fight.
		And the way that I describe this, and I described this the other day talking to some folks after the victory, because it's like, and I use the metaphor because I'm a military guy, I use the metaphor of the Normandy invasion, that we are at about like D-Day plus one right now.
		We cannot say, you know, it's victory over Europe already.
		I want everybody to feel good.
		We fought really hard.
		We won a massive, massive, a monumental, historic battle.
		But that's just one battle in the war to continue to keep this thing moving and do the things that are necessary to do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So what happens from now until the 20th?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I imagine the moment Trump walks in that door, that's a big problem for these people.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, from my perspective...
		I, you know, Trump knows what he wants to do.
		He's got, you know, he'll pick great people.
		And I, you know, and there's going to be an establishment, sort of the rhino of establishment, whatever you want to call them.
		There's going to be a political establishment elite that will try to pressure him to take certain types of people, right?
		That's a different issue.
		My thing right now is to message as much as I can, and I do this every time that I've done this since really even before the election, is to message that these people are not done trying to kill him.
		And I don't say that lightly.
		So I'm not...
		I'm saying it because I'm just, you know, reading it on the internet.
		I mean, so they're not done trying to get this man out of the way.
		So, you know, I mean, on one side, out of one side of my mouth, I want to tell Trump, just hang out at Mar-a-Lago, run an operations center down there, Have everybody come down to you to be interviewed, whatever.
		Do those kinds of things because they're going to say, well, here's your transition headquarters.
		Everything has to be different.
		The way he is taking back over the country must be done differently.
		He'll decide whether or not he listens to what I'm telling him.
		But my thing is he's got to stay alive because they're not going to give him the resources, Tim, to be able to stay alive.
		Okay?
		That he should have.
		So, like, he gets in an airplane, he ought to have fighter escort.
		He gets on the...
		That airplane parks on the ground, there ought to be air defense systems around it.
		He ought to have...
		You know what I'm saying?
		I mean, I could go on and on and on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think Trump should be, for the next couple of months, in a secure location surrounded by the most trusted people imaginable.
		He should not be traveling.
		Because there were two attempts.
		He dodged a bullet.
		And then we had a plot, and we also heard from Matt Gaetz that there are five Iranian assassination teams.
		Donald Trump right now needs to get into office, and there are a lot of podcasts popping up where I'm seeing people saying, doesn't it feel a little strange how calm all of these elites and wealthy individuals, some who may be on the Epstein list, are?
		They're certainly calm.
		When Elon Musk gave an interview and he said that list is going to come out if Trump wins, and now a lot of these people are like, oh, it's totally fine that Trump won.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think it was the CEO of the Clinton Foundation stepped down on Wednesday.
		So, I mean, it's like not a lot of people know that because it just comes up as a little blip and you kind of go, some friends of mine that have fought that organization legally in the courts and have beat them, Clinton Foundation, you know, they pay attention to these things and you kind of, these are signals, okay?
		These are signals.
		What I look for is I look for, you know, what we call indicators, and indicators are part of what you're talking about, but it's also messaging.
		So messaging like Karl Marx or Joseph Stalin would have been proud of the concession speech that Kamala Harris gave, okay?
		And then people can go back and they need to examine it.
		And what Biden just said, I think it was yesterday, people need to, you know, look at that, and that's being ripped apart, but Go back and listen to Kamala and listen to her concession speech.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's the historical precedent if...
		I want to be very light with this because, you know, but if for some reason Trump does not make it to Inauguration Day, who becomes president?
		Is it J.D. Vance?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's no precedent.
		There's no precedent.
		And, you know, so I don't know.
		I mean, you know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I fear they may say something like, no, no, the person who got the next highest amount of votes would become president.
unidentified		Yeah.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, there are 43 on the books signed by different presidents going back to at least, probably at least, I would say, Johnson.
		But there's 43 presidents.
		National Security Emergency Orders on the books, signed, ready to be executed.
		And if one of them is executed, it automatically kicks in about 150 different laws in the country.
		And I've written about this and people can go see what I've written about it.
		These things matter because...
		If there is a national emergency, right?
		So maybe if something like this happens...
		And I don't want to...
		I hate going down this path because I want to be positive.
		I want to be optimistic.
		We just fought a major war or major battle here.
		We won and we're moving forward and everybody's...
		It's nirvana because believe me, when they start to talk about a smooth transition of power, right?
		If Trump had lost...
		The 26th of November, he'd be in prison for the rest of his life, and they would destroy his entire family.
		And guys like me, who I know I'm on a target list, and many others who I know that are high-profile people, they would come after us.
		So these are not like, all of a sudden, they're kinder and gentler people here, right?
unidentified		Right.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		So, we are...
		That's why I say we're kind of at a D-Day plus one.
		We've broken through the hedgerows.
		We're up on the beaches of Normandy.
		We're up on the cliffs.
		And now we've got to move forward.
		And it's going to be a tough slog because at every point...
		And they're already talking about it.
		You know, the sort of the minions in the apparatus...
		They're already talking about, you know, how to disrupt the next administration, right?
		Even though the powers to be are saying we're going to have a smooth transition.
		There was no smooth transition for Trump.
		And from that moment...
		From that moment where Trump and Obama met in early November of 2016, the war has been waged from that point when they met.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did Trump not see this coming?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Trump did not know the ways of Washington D.C. going into the presidency in 2017.
unidentified		Is it your sense that the Trump administration or the people that Trump have now setting up the administration, are they more prepared for this kind of subterfuge or whatever?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, Trump is.
		I think President Trump is.
		It's a big thing.
		You're not getting a couple of million dollars of investment in starting a new company.
		I mean, this is a government that has millions of people that are currently in it.
		And, you know, and he's got the executive branch of the government and appointees.
		You know, there's about 3,000.
		He probably should hire 300 and not hire the other, whatever, 2,700.
		And I do think that Elon going in is this, you know, they call it Doge or whatever, right?
		You know, it doesn't need to be a department.
		He doesn't need to be appointed in anything.
		He just needs to be like a task force commander and let him decide who he wants to bring into that element.
		You know, Elon, I don't expect Elon to go into government.
		I expect Elon to, you know, go with the guidance and the direction and the approval of the president of the United States of America and go in there and say, okay, why do you exist, Department of Education?
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Why do you exist, CISA? I mean, there's a lot...
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I could go down, I don't know, half a dozen organizations that should be completely eliminated, never mind just reformed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I want to give a shout-out to Oregon County Hick, who super chatted.
		The 20th Amendment prescribes what this country would do in the event the president-elect does not make it.
		And they are rather light in their language.
		They're saying, if at the beginning of the term, the president...
		Of the president, the president-elect shall have died.
		The vice president-elect shall become president.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		That's at the beginning of the term.
		So he's right partially.
		So that guy's right partially.
		But they're not there yet.
		So we're not at 20 January.
		I'm talking about between now and then.
		So a couple of things.
		The Jack Smith stuff was dropped the day after the election.
unidentified		Amazing, right?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how fucking Excuse my Irish.
		How much bullshit is that?
		All the pain and agony that they dragged this country through.
		So now Marchant.
		I'm getting some indications that Marchant might consider not going forward with all of that case.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The fake 34 counts.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		It's unbelievable.
		And that would be smart on his part because the president, when they talk about immunity...
		So he would be really smart to just say, we're going to get rid of this.
		I want this out of my core.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but I... Who am I? I'm a guy who complains on the internet, right?
		So don't listen to me.
		But personally, I wouldn't tolerate that.
		I want...
		I need to know, and I believe the people of this country need to know that there is equality under the law.
		And that means if they are going to levy false charges and abuse the civil rights, that there's going to be at bare minimum a civil rights violation and an investigation from the DOJ.
		And I have said I believe Merrick Garland still should go to prison.
		This is not revenge.
		This is not me being emotional.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		It's called legal accountability.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro had to spend their four months in prison, and we say, okay, well, you know, that's the way the system goes.
		Merrick Garland, too, was in contempt of Congress.
		And I believe if we are going to prove to the American people that if you break the law, you are held accountable, that means we calmly and dispassionately say, well, Merrick, you're going to spend four months in prison, the same as Navarro and Bannon, and then we'll be through with it.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I totally agree, you know, and I think the word that we've got to take out, like our sort of And at least from my perspective, and I'll speak for myself, the word we've got to take out of the lexicon of those that are on the winning team right now is revenge.
		We've got to remove that word.
		And we've got to talk about accountability.
		One of the things that the founders of this country taught us is accountability.
		How did they teach us that?
		Because they were accountable for themselves and for their actions, never mind the extraordinary courage that they also demonstrated.
		So accountability has been something in our system, in our rule of law system from the beginning, from really the beginning of time, right?
		So accountability is what we're looking for using the rule of law.
		What we don't need, though, And this gets back to presidential powers, executive powers, and I've studied this a little bit with people like Washington, people like Lincoln.
		The application of executive authority and presidential powers We don't need to have some Durham investigation that lasts forever, right?
		We need to have time limits, and we need to have very precise priorities and tasks that are looked at.
		Go back to Elon, and I think what Elon is going to have to do, you can't just go, well, because I got rid of 80% of Twitter, we're going to get rid of 80% of the government.
		One phrase that I used in the military and I learned in the military from a great sergeant was be conscious or be careful when you take a fence down because there was a purpose and a reason for putting that fence up.
		That doesn't mean that the fence shouldn't come down.
		And it's a metaphor for saying, okay, why was this created in the first place, right?
		Why was the FBI created in the first place?
		Why was the CIA created in the first place?
		An organization like the CIA has gone adrift of what it was originally intended to do.
		And they have way too much power.
		And they have power because most politicians who have been in politics for far too long, and this is why I think one of the things that Trump is really going to be pushing is this term limit thing, Most of them are compromised to some level.
		I mean, it's either money or sex or something.
		It's crazy stuff.
		And it's not about infidelity in a marriage.
		It's about serious shit.
		And these people know it because, frankly, we do this to other people overseas.
		That's the world of the spy versus spy.
		And it's a very real world.
		And so if we have, you know, these upstanding moral character type political people that are in the federal government or in certain, you know, select governors in this country and others at state level, you know, if they are responsible for different things, particularly large amounts of money, our money, taxpayer money, and they get these favors, You know, we're in a place now where that has to end.
		And I think this listing that I saw Trump put out, I guess, you know, I guess he put it out on the internet and social media.
		I found that just fascinating.
		I was like, wow, this is really good.
		If he's able to take that laundry list of tasks, get the right people behind him, and then hone in on that.
		Because you know what, Tim?
		We don't have four years.
		And I want the American people, your audience, to understand we don't have four years.
		We actually have maybe two.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Midterms?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		And it's like two years is when the midterm is.
		You know, when you start to go six months prior.
		So maybe you got 18 months, right?
		I mean, this is the political cycle of our country that is normal.
		And Trump is not a normal political person.
		And that's why there's so many people here in this country and so many people around the world that love this man because they're looking at him and going, you know, you're our savior.
		You're saving us from this globalist communist takeover, which is very real and there's real people.
		It's not a conspiracy theory.
		So anyway, I mean, those are just things that Trump has to deal with.
		We'll see if Marchant says, I'm not going to do this.
		This is ridiculous.
		Just like Jack Smith.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What happens if they try to actually imprison the president-elect?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		If I'm on their team, this is a great question because I've had this conversation with a couple of really very good people who are very analytical and they think about scenarios and scenario development.
		You know, if they do this, so let's just assume that Marchand says, nope, you're getting in my court.
		Sentences him, 25 years.
		Okay?
		You're going to prison right now.
		In fact, I gave you time to get your affairs in order.
		You're going to prison, and you're going to actually go down into the prison of the courthouse that he's in, because they've got a prison right down there.
		And then we're going to move you over to, we're going to remand you to the Department of Justice over to Rikers, let's say, right?
unidentified		Okay.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		So if that happens, you're going to see a wilding going on in the media where it's like, we can't have a convicted felon in prison in the White House.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		This is where people like Jamie Raskin out of Maryland, Congressman Raskin out of Maryland, who's already said, we're not going to let this guy serve.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he said it was a bookstore panel discussion in February of this year.
		That if Trump wins, they will refuse to certify on the grounds he is ineligible under the 14th Amendment.
		Those are his words.
		I'm paraphrasing, but that's what he said.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		And I mean, so to give them more fuel for that argument, right, and to allow the We're good to go.
		One of the things that I do believe, and this is something that I don't think that they can overcome, and you're a perfect example of it.
		You are a perfect example of it because of your great interview with Trump, as well as other podcasters.
		I'm sort of coining this presidency as the podcast presidency, because this is the death of the woke corporate media.
		Nobody watches them anyways, you know, unless you're like my age or older and you still kind of go at home and you turn your little tube on, right?
		Or you flip to some cable news or ABC or CNN or you still watch 60 Minutes.
		That's it.
		I mean, that is a dying...
		It's like an animal on the road that's been hit, you know, and backed over.
		So...
		This presidency proved the durability and the reliability of citizen journalism and sort of what I call the podcast presidency because Trump realized that.
		I forget the time frame when you guys did.
		It was a little while back.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was the Libertarian Convention.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right before he spoke.
		He actually was late to his speech for us, and I'm very grateful.
		It was an honor that he took the time.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So, I mean, it was a while ago, but about six months prior to the election, I think Trump Whether it was him or whether he saw something, you know, maybe he watched, you know, the Tucker interview with Putin where we learned Joe Biden hasn't spoken to a nation state leader who has more nuclear weapons than we do.
		And there's a war going on and everybody's talking about using nuclear weapons.
		And Biden hasn't spoken to him in two years.
		I mean, that's insane.
		So that interview, maybe Trump watched something like that.
		Maybe, you know, he knows Joe Rogan.
		You know, so on and so forth.
		All of a sudden, you start seeing Donald J. Trump doing these podcasts.
		And I'm like, okay, he gets it.
		He's starting to get it.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		I think if...
		Go ahead.
		I was just going to say that, you know, going to your D-Day...
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Plus one.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Right?
		Because really it was a four-year journey to get here.
		And so with Democrats sitting there going, how is this possible?
		It's like you guys don't understand.
		What you've done, this is retribution.
		Because what the establishment did by going after Trump and then turning that into the COVID pandemic, going after all of us, right?
		And what the Democrats did, particularly going after businesses, going after, you know, going after this crazy mandate, it's going after the vaccine mandates.
		It created so much resentment, right?
		That this is all the consequence of four years of that.
		Plus, the censorship, as you're talking about, all the censorship did was it built Rogan even bigger, right?
		It built all the podcasts bigger.
		So really what they did is actually sowed the seeds of their own demise.
		And so now we're reaping it, and that's why I feel like what you're saying is, to a certain extent, true.
		But whatever, see, it's like everything that they're going to do is only going to backfire now because we have so much more power amongst the people.
		There's a realization of our power.
		There's a realization that, hey, you shut us down on YouTube, we're going to start new channels.
		We're going to start a rumble.
		You're going to cancel us, we're going to gather together and create something new.
		I think we realize now that we can build, even if they took it away from us, we would build our republic without them.
		That's what we have.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's as you were saying, General Flynn, that a wounded animal is dangerous.
		And so the question then becomes, to what degree are they willing to sacrifice, sabotage, or burn it all down?
		I think that if Trump decides to play this game and show up for court on the 26th, Let's say Mershon says, no, I'm not going to throw this out.
		You are convicted, and you are going to come in for sentencing.
		If Trump goes into that prison, he will never come out.
		And whatever form that takes, I'll just keep it simple and say he's not making it to January.
		He's not going to make it to the White House.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that's a really, so that's a scenario, okay?
		So for those of us that look at these kinds of, you know, security issues at this level, you have to play these things out.
		And you have to look at the second, third, fourth, fifth order effects.
		You've got to look at the consequences.
		You've got to look at the players.
		And you've got to examine, you know, what are their intentions?
		And this is where, you know, like good intelligence, bulletproof intelligence helps.
		Insiders help.
		Whistleblowers help.
		People, getting people into the camps.
		I mean, I guarantee, I guarantee, you know, 100% that there are people in the Trump camp that have been working for the other side damn near the whole time.
		Now, whether or not, you know, you can judge them for how well they did or didn't do, and now that's going to be again.
		And so what happens is immediately, you know, elements of government start to come together to try to go, okay, well, we're here to help, right?
		People in the government.
		And, you know, it's like I told one congressman who ran, this is back in the 2022 election victory, I supported him, and we went and helped him raise money, and he won.
		And I saw him at an event, and this was before he went into Congress, and it was like at a, I think it may have been at Mar-a-Lago, or it may have been some other place, but it was at an event prior to him actually taking the job.
		First-time congressman, America First guy.
		And I said to him, when he came over to me, he goes, hey, I want to thank you very much.
		And I said, do me a favor.
		The first person that comes to speak to you when you show up to Washington, D.C., I want you to remember who he is or she is, and I want you to understand that that's your enemy.
		That's the first person that you cannot trust.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		It's a very Godfather-esque moment.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Well, and it's very true, because people...
		That go to D.C. and back to something we talked about earlier.
		And I said, and I actually said this in a film, Trump didn't know the ways of Washington, D.C. He accepted that people in the Republican Party were going to give him good people, right?
		And give him the right people.
		I mean, Dan Coats, the first Still talking about Trump being under the thumbprint of
		Putin just two days ago.
		So this is a guy that was handed to him to be the director of national intelligence.
		The entire time, and I learned this from Devin Nunes in the filming of our movie, and I know that we're going to find out a lot more stuff here because they're going to look into it.
		And we talked about cash, you know, earlier.
		So the entire time he's there, and frankly, Mike Pompeo, who I'm not a fan of, and that's, you know, neither here nor there, but I'll say it, who was his CIA director, the entire time they had the full, firm, bulletproof evidence that said the whole Russia...
		You know, nonsense was nonsense, was a hoax.
		The entire time.
		Yet said nothing.
		And they allowed the country, they allowed Trump, they allowed peoples and their families to be destroyed, they allowed Trump and his presidency to be attacked, and they just sat there and said nothing.
		Nothing.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Gina Haspel was one of the orchestrators of this whole thing, and she became CIA director.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		She was Pompeo's deputy.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		And then she made sure that Kash Patel could not release a lot of the classified information that we talk about in the series.
		You'll see, he basically hints at things and says, look, I can't talk about it.
		It's classified.
		And as you know, that's a big problem with how our system works.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that's a lot of bullshit.
		I mean, you know, again, so the classified stuff, because you're right, Sean, you're exactly right, people will use that false mask to hide behind, like, well, it's under investigation, you know?
		Well, just tell me whether or not it is, you know, are you investigating it, and when is it going to be done, right?
		But when they say, well, it's classified, that's the biggest crock of horseshit, you know?
		Because they'll hide it like they redact evidence, right?
		And you kind of go, why is that redacted?
		I mean, if I get full pages of evidence that was turned over to me...
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Black.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Black!
		Full pages!
		It's like, I don't want that page.
		Why do I need it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why are they doing it?
		You know, people often think of the motivations.
		Why did they go after Trump...
		The people surrounding Trump.
		I mean, you.
		What is their end game?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Power and complete control of the United States of America.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is it too...
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, no.
		So here's the thing.
		What people don't understand.
		So there's competing ideologies globally.
		Phil and I were talking about isms.
		You can beat the German army.
		You can beat the SS. You can beat the Japanese military.
		But you can't beat the ism, the belief in something.
		You can defeat Hamas, but you may not be able to defeat a radicalized Islamism, as an example, just to kind of bring it to today.
		So there are competing ideologies against our way of life.
		And globalism is a very big deal and it's been ongoing for a long time and there's names and faces that are associated with it.
		There's clearly organizations, World Bank, World Health Organization, World Trade, United Nations, International Monetary Fund, those are just a few organizations.
		So, but these are people, and at the end of the day, there is a communist infiltration into this country, and, you know, the Chinese, we don't hear that the people don't talk about China as much as they should.
		This government will, you know, and the Obama government will talk about Russia, Russia, Russia, because, and there's tens of billions of dollars actually more than that but tens of billions of dollars I'll leave it at that that are in programs focused on Russia because for 40 years we fought the Cold War.
		This thing right here This thing right here, the entire constellation of satellites that travel around geospatial orbit were put up by the U.S. government because of the former Warsaw Pact.
		And that drove a lot of stuff, a lot of innovation, a lot of technologies.
		So there's so much money that's involved.
		And that doesn't mean that that's a bad thing.
		It just means that if the enemy dries up, Then the money could dry up.
		So you can't allow the enemy to dry up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		With the DEI stuff that we've been seeing, major corporations creating chief diversity officers, it feels very much like how the Communist Party operates when they put a party member in all of their big corporations.
		And then we've heard from many of our guests on Tim Kist IRL that there are powerful individuals who are envious of the Chinese Communist system.
		So do you think that one of the goals is to reshape America much like the Chinese Communist Party controls China, where they have single party rule, where people like Kamala Harris who don't get elected and don't get a single vote are appointed by the party to run, and then they put an ideological component within all of the companies, and then they put an ideological component within all of the companies, effectively assuming full control of the entire system, never to have a legitimate Short answer, yes.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		And it goes all the way down.
		So that permeates all the way down into every institution of our government, of our federal government.
		And then when you look at other institutions like higher learning, undergraduate and graduate level programs, right?
		All across the country.
		I am so unimpressed when somebody tells me, well, he's a graduate of Harvard.
		I mean, I could give a shit.
		It's unimpressive these days because when you begin to look at how these structures and these institutions have changed, when you look at what the Chinese have done in this country, I mean, fentanyl, We're at over 200,000 killed in action on the streets of America by a drug designed and produced in China.
		And in the last year, year and a half, they've stuffed it with a horse tranquilizer, a much stronger version, to basically...
		Kill more of our society.
		They then introduce it to the Mexican cartels and then the Mexican cartels use their counterparts in the various criminal organizations in this country, mainly MS-13, to basically put it out all over the street.
		We have over 200,000 Dead Americans killed in action, I call it.
		And then, you know, that times probably five wounded in action because, you know, there's been many that have been affected by it.
		And, of course, the damage to the families, the damage to our health care system, the damage to our education system, on and on and on.
		So that's one part of it because that's kind of a physical manifestation of how the Chinese Communist Party in their 100-year plan, which was actually developed by Mao Zedong in the late 40s into the early 50s, and that 100-year plan is 2049.
		That's why Xi has made himself basically dictator for life so he can implement it and get it going before the 100 years.
		I mean, this is very real stuff.
unidentified		Yeah.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		The other aspect that people need to understand is that the geology, the geology of the United States of America, particularly the contiguous 48 states, but even Alaska, we know of the energy resources in Alaska, but the geology of this country, this is one of the richest We're the most wealthiest pieces of dirt on the planet.
		We have all of the rare earth elements that you need to be able to function globally and certainly nationally.
		So things like lithium, copper, uranium, gold and silver.
		I mean, you know, all of the different forms of energy that can be created that comes out of the geology versus that can be created by nuclear energy and all the kinds of aspects that we have there.
		We have it for the next 500 years, Tim, for the rest of the world.
		When you're looking at something like that, and you have 1.6 billion people in China, I think it's 1.4 in India, that's like a third of the planet right there, just two countries.
		Now India, I'm a big fan of India, a big fan of how they operate and how they function, but a lot of people don't realize with India, India's military, it's a great military, and I know a lot of the leadership in the Indian military.
		India's military is primarily designed and supported by Russia.
		So you have these funny relationships out there.
		When we look at India and we think of Modi and we go, hey, he's a great guy, very pro-America and he wants to be able to do the kinds of things because he's thinking of his own people, which is right.
		But you have to look at these other relationships.
		So there's all these relationships on the planet and instead of us, you know, to kind of use something I think I heard you say a long time ago.
		Instead of Actually having a leader, in this case Trump, going out there and interacting with other leaders on the planet and saying, okay guys, how do we want to operate here?
		Because we don't want to try to kill each other.
		We don't want to go to war.
		That doesn't mean that there's not psychopathic terrorist groups out there.
		There are.
		And I have dealt with them and faced them.
		But, you know, nation states, reasonable nation states with reasonable leaders who are trying to do what's best for their people.
		They're going to it's like a it's like a competitive environment.
		You know, it's maybe it's a scrum.
		I don't know what you want to call it, what metaphor you want to use, but it's a competitive world.
		And instead of trying to kill each other over that, over the resources of the kinds of things, maybe we figure out how do we how can we actually live together?
		And a lot of that comes with smart people, you know, engaging and talking and saying, OK, here's how here's what we're going to do.
		I mean, Trump's notion about taxes, as an example, and going with tariffs instead of taxes.
		I mean, just little things like that, because we're just giving away the farm.
		I was at a plant.
		Yesterday, we were at a plant up in Ohio.
		A great friend of mine, we did an event up there.
		And they do these liners for the back of trucks, you know, something I never saw.
		You know, and I said, so tell me which parts of it come from China, right?
		And there are still bits and pieces, but he was like so proud.
		And it's a mid-sized, maybe to a little bit higher than a mid-sized company.
		They do pretty good.
		But it's like the pride that he had in saying that, nope, here's this, here's that, here's that.
		This is made in somewhere America.
		This is made in mainstream.
		I mean, all the pieces.
		And he is...
		Fighting to keep that, and he's been fighting for four years to keep that, his prices to where it's reasonable where other truck company clients will buy his liner for their damn trucks, right?
		Because the Chinese have a version that's about a third the price.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		We deal with this.
		We launched skateboards.
		And when we were discussing with our distributors and the people working in the industry, they said, "Here's the Chinese option, and they're actually very well made, and they're a lot cheaper.
		And here's the American version, also extremely well made, and they're more expensive." And I said, "We buy American.
		We're not taking cheap Chinese products.
		I'm not doing this to line my pockets.
		But the issue is, we have the ability to do so, because I have the ability to invest, We have great members.
		And with their memberships, we have the ability to say we're going to invest in what's right.
		For these other companies, they're struggling.
		They take a look at their options and they say, go with China so we can save as much money as possible.
		And all that does is weaken our economy and make it harder for this manufacturing base in this country to come back.
		So many of these, you know, I'll put it this way.
		So many diners across this country do not use real butter.
		It's because the average person is not asking for it.
		And so when they walk in the diner, this one small family-owned diner says, we use hydrolyzed soy hydrogenated garbage because no one's complaining.
		But if we spend the extra $500 a month to use real butter, we can't compete with these other stores.
		And that just degrades everything to where we're eating poison using cheap products and giving away our labor force.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		It's been a long-term plan.
		The New World Order, I wrote my book on it, actually.
		My thesis work at college was on the New World Order.
		And it wasn't a conspiracy theory.
		It was a British plan.
		They were drawing this up in the 20s and 30s.
		They were talking about it.
		How do we basically turn the British Empire into the Commonwealth?
		Because we can't garrison an empire.
		That's what they realized with the Boer War, basically, right?
		They realized...
		They couldn't garrison a quarter of the planet, which was under their control.
		They had to start giving the illusion of independence, which to this day, they're still part of the Commonwealth, Australia, Canada.
		The king of England is still their king.
		It's the illusion of sovereignty.
		But they basically wanted to reincorporate America into the British Empire.
		And that's in the will of Cecil Rhodes.
		And basically, they pushed this agenda since the First World War, which we had no business getting involved with, but it was a financial war on behalf of J.P. Morgan and You should drop your master's thesis on the internet.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I swear to God.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		No, it's online.
		It's a book.
		It's New World Order.
		It's on Amazon.
unidentified		Beautiful.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		People can read it.
		But essentially, to your point about the recruitment of the intellectual class, I mean, I focus on a guy named Elliot, William Elliot, who was the teacher at Harvard for 40 years of Kissinger and Dibridzinski and Huntington and all these guys who came through there.
		And he, Eliot, was trained by the roundtable groups of England in this ideology, right, which is globalism, as you say.
		And, you know, Kissinger goes on to what?
		Open China with the intention of the Rockefellers, you know, basically backing it to say we want to, yeah, move.
		Financial capitalism wants to go global.
		We want it to industrialize America.
		We want America to be one cog within the global machine.
		We want you to be a weakened power because when you're sovereign, as you know from war or anything, when you're sovereign, you have your own energy.
		You have your own industry.
		You have to feed yourself.
		You cannot be controlled the same way as when you depend upon, you know, your labor from, you know, your labor or your goods or your products coming from another country.
		And this is all playing it.
		And whether it was drugs, you know, whether it's the drug traffic, it's the arms traffic, it's the traffic in, you know, you name it, humans, it's the traffic in cheap labor, it's the traffic in goods.
		It's all about this British imperial merchant game, essentially, right?
		And finance capitalism being transnational.
		So the financier class, going back to the, you know, 100 years ago, they actually, if you look at the British Empire, a lot of these guys actually, the imperial, you know, the Milners and others who were basically, you know, financier class, they all embraced socialism.
		They understood that socialism essentially would give, you know, basically, it would create a system where you wouldn't be much of middle class.
		You'd give the worker, give him just enough, right?
		Give him just enough to keep him happy.
		But you really have a small elite that rules it.
		And so the imperialists actually made a deal with this, essentially brought the socialist policy into their ideology.
		What they hated was the American system, the American system of Henry Ford and people like that saying, hey, I want my workers to have good wages because then they can buy my goods.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		And be more productive.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Well, they can be more productive.
		They can buy my goods if they have good wages.
		So I always say it's the difference between the businessman and the banker.
		The banker doesn't care if you get paid well or not.
		He'll give you a line of credit and you'll be a debt slave for the rest of your life.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Guys, the internet is down?
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		So basically it's the financier which wants you to be a debt slave and the businessman that says, hey, I want you to have good wages so you can be able to buy goods.
		And that's essentially, I think, the war that we're seeing in America between the Musks and the Trumps coming to say, hey, we've got a problem in our country.
		We're in 35 trillion debt.
		You're basically going to have to start selling our resources to pay this off.
		We cannot get out of this.
		And I think that was the wake-up call for a lot of the nationalists and the patriots coming together to say, we need to start making a move here against this globalist faction.
		Otherwise, there will be no America.
		And that's very quickly, I think, where we saw things going.
		And now the patriots have woken up and the dialogue.
		Everything is changing.
		I mean, people are waking up to these things that I'm saying.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I think, I mean, that's the essence.
		So what Sean Stone just said, that is the essence of what we have been facing for probably 50 years.
		I mean, as you said, back in the, it was post-World War I when the New World Order, as a coined term, actually came into vogue.
		But that's what we've been facing.
		The speed of I think, turned up a bit when Obama was put into the presidency.
		Because he was a physical puppet of that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever seen the LexisNexis data around terms like white privilege, diversity, equity, and inclusion?
		Around the late 2000s, every single media organization in the world saw an exponential increase in leftist, woke ideological terminology.
		A lot of people will show the New York Times and the Washington Post and say, look at this spike in this ideology in the United States.
		This proves it was the universities indoctrinating millennials who went to the workforce.
		And I say that's actually incorrect.
		It's social media platforms incentivized by advertisers and perhaps something else, perhaps something more nefarious, started algorithmically promoting a certain ideology to young people.
		And the reason why these terms were appearing in the media was because this is what the social media companies would promote.
		So if you worked for Puffington Post, for instance, and you wrote an article that said George W. Bush is great, or, you know, let's say it's 2008 and it's the election.
		If you write John McCain is good, you're not going to get shares.
		You're not going to make any money.
		You write Barack Obama is good, straight to the top.
		Facebook recommends it to everybody.
		You make a million dollars.
		This created an advertisement and economic incentive.
		And I believe advertisers were largely driving this as well, where media companies were pushing this ideology intentionally.
		Or I should say not intentionally, but they were pushing it with the intent to share these terms because it made them money.
		I'm wondering if you think perhaps that there's a, you know, as people call it, face CIA book.
		Was there an intelligence or component to these social media companies injecting this ideology globally for this purpose?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it really, really was tested and proven out during World War II. So when you think about organizations like BBC and other media outlets of recognition or name of brand here in this country...
		And the OSS became masters of it.
		They learned a lot from the Nazis.
		And then fast forward into the 50s, you know, when you started to see the commercialization of intelligence and how to influence, right?
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		So the magazines, the music, how they changed music.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Exactly, exactly.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		The Top 40 project, right?
unidentified		Right.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		To influence the culture through music.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, the Mockingbird.
		I mean, all the different, there's different names for some of these different operations that the intelligence community got into.
		And the development of human capital people that would get trained in different capabilities, and then they would move them into the corporate media, you know, and principally the big three for a while, and then, of course, when cable news came out.
		And that's why I'm such a big believer in, and Sean, you just said it about, you know, where people have come, right?
		Americans are now going to where there's freedom, where they feel there's a sense of liberty on the airwaves.
		And there are places like, you know, it's places like your country.
		Your show and other shows where people are—they can move.
		They don't have to sit there and go in front of a TV any longer because innovation, technology, hell, we haven't even—I don't think we've scratched the surface on artificial intelligence yet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		We haven't scratched the surface on it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, you mentioned before that the plan was eight years of Obama, eight years of Hillary, and Tim Kast live from Daily Wire would not exist.
		Is there, you know, if they're not through with Trump, and this is just, what do you say, it's D-Day plus one, right?
		Is there going to be an effort, and is it even possible to do away with the massive independent media operation that exists today?
		I mean, how do you get rid of a Daily Wire?
		How do you get rid of a Tim Castor, Stephen Crowder?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		You know, have you ever heard of a, like a, and you've seen them, a national emergency broadcast?
unidentified		Yeah.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Where, like, all of a sudden, like, everything stops, and the United States government comes in and goes, we are, you know, there's an alert.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so the U.S. government has extraordinary capabilities, and...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		What about the internet freedom issue?
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		The internet freedom?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's interesting because I went up to the Western Mountains in North Carolina about two weeks ago, spent a couple of days up there helping out and doing an assessment of the situation.
		And it's the first time in like 45 years for me being on a ham radio.
		Okay?
		And I have a background.
		One of my master's degrees is in telecommunications.
		And the terrestrial world of communications is fascinating if you really deeply understand it.
		So ham radio operators, that's why ham radio operators, there's not a lot of them.
		You're not going to find them all over the place, but they exist.
		And yet it's one area.
		So if the government comes in and says, we're going to shut down communications in this country, which they could do.
		Like the FCC, the FCC, Federal Communications Commission, it is the most, to me, it's one of the most powerful positions in the government.
		It's a person that's generally chosen for about 10 years.
		It's very powerful because they own the internet.
		So we are communicating over a segment of the internet.
		That segment isn't owned by you.
		And you kind of go, well, who owns it then?
		Well, it's supposed to be, you know, actually...
		We own it, right?
		The American people own it because we kind of run it because of all these satellites and all these different things, you know, like telephones that you probably might have had when you were a little kid, you know, the old two-pair copper wire because we ran copper all over this country.
		So the U.S. government has done some smart things for purposes of national security to be able to control communications when they need to to get out things like a warning, like we've got incoming, you know, nuclear attack.
		So, you know, I mean, I grew up in the days of schools where we had to duck underneath our desks, okay?
		So the government can do that if they want to.
		And you know what?
		I'm not going to put that past this crowd that's currently in there.
		I'm not.
		I will not.
		I will not sit here and go, oh, they never do it.
		They never do it.
		Just like they'd never take two shots at Donald Trump.
		Not one.
		Two.
		And the potential for them to do it again is very real.
unidentified		You're going to say something.
		No, I mean, you mentioned the two shots.
		I was actually thinking earlier, I was wondering what your sense about how much...
		If the two individuals that were trying to assassinate Trump, if they were lone wolves or if they were...
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		No!
		You know what?
		When they talk about lone wolves, I'm not a believer in lone wolves.
unidentified		Hmm.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		And the second guy, for sure, was on the FBI's radar.
		In fact, I think he worked for the FBI. And the fact that he was over in Ukraine recruiting Afghans, I mean, I guarantee...
		That the CIA had him on their radar.
		Because there's no way in the world that a U.S. citizen like him, that kind of a profile and what he was doing, is going to be wandering around out there on a battlefield without the CIA knowing that he was out there doing it.
		I mean, I want to know.
		That's what I want to know.
		So nobody has said anything.
		I've been pretty public about this.
		The other thing is, you know, there's some other potential evidence of other people that were working with this guy that are now in Congress.
		Okay?
		We'll see what happens with that here.
		So I'm not a big believer in these lone wolves.
		I mean, do they exist?
		Yeah, they probably do.
		But it's like I've dealt in the military, I've dealt with suicides as an example, okay?
		And the one thing, you know, somebody goes and hangs himself in a barracks or they shoot themselves at home and everybody goes, oh my God, this is so sad.
		And it is.
		It's a tragedy for the families, for whoever's left behind, right?
		But the one thing that I've learned in all the investigations that I've been involved in with suicides, and it's like a lone wolf, once you start to dig in and you start to look at the profile and the activities and the behavior, the relationships of that person that committed suicide, I guarantee, and it's been 100%, and I've dealt with many over my career, either investigating another unit or my own unit, where somebody else always knew.
		The person said, I'm going to kill myself.
		And they didn't say anything.
		So when we say, oh, the lone wolf, you know, I mean, we've seen examples of, you know, where the mother knew the kid had three guns or the mother bought the guns and she's, you know, and she let him have them.
		I mean, so there's not, there's ideas.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying Lee Harvey Oswald didn't knock the loan?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		No.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		But it's also that comes out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So just kind of step back a little bit.
		It feels to me like And maybe this is naive.
		The deep state machine has been unraveling.
		One way I described it is that they say wealth lasts three generations.
		Somebody works really, really hard.
		They roll up their sleeves.
		They become wealthy and they drive themselves to the bone.
		And then their children inherit the company and have a general idea of how to maintain and run things because they watch their parents or their dad do it.
		Then the grandkid inherits the company, has no idea.
		It's a copy of a copy of a copy.
		And then eventually the company just is sold off, falls apart, and they lose their money.
		And I feel like the grandchildren of those who are inheriting the deep state have no idea how to maintain what was built by their grandparents.
		And so we end up seeing this case with Trump in Butler, PA, which, but for the grace of God, Donald Trump dodged a bullet.
		So, but you look at the story in itself and The guy snuck in and they knew.
		Did nothing.
		The guy flew a drone over Butler.
		They did nothing.
		The guy was carrying a rangefinder in a bag.
		They did nothing.
		They, for whatever reason, did not have Secret Service stationed on top of a roof with a line of sight directly to the president.
		Local police said four days before they gave advanced warning of the Secret Service to cover this.
		The day before the shooting, the FBI claims to have alerted the Secret Service of a plot to assassinate Donald Trump.
		They identified this guy three hours, two hours, 24 minutes, 10 minutes before the shot was fired, and they released Donald Trump from the holding area.
		When the shooter was identified on the roof, they did not remove Donald Trump from the stage.
		There is no way that's a lone wolf accident.
		You would have to be...
		Listen, I don't like conspiracy theories.
		I don't.
		You know why?
		Because they're so assumptive.
		These people are jumping from...
		I always tell people, when I see these crazy conspiracies, be it there's a military base under the Denver airport because the horse, Belucifer, I'm like, you've taken a jigsaw piece, you've looked at a hole, and you're mashing it with a hammer to make it fit.
		This crook story out of Butler, PA. If you say this was a lone wolf accident, you are taking a jigsaw piece that does not fit and bashing it with a hammer until it's mashed into this position.
		It doesn't fit.
		I'm sorry.
		There's no way two law enforcement agencies allowed this guy for several hours to bypass every single degree of security with a weapon and a rangefinder.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		And to climb on a roof.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		To climb on a roof, and when the local law enforcement body camera comes out, and the cop's pulling himself up, and he sees him, and the guy points a gun at him, from that moment, they didn't say, get the president off the stage.
		You had, I think it was, what, was it 30 seconds?
		It may have been 10 seconds, where a counter-sniper sees him on the roof, sees that going on, and is it not they're trying to say, pull the president now?
		No one did anything, but we don't even need to get to that point.
		Dan Bongino points out, having worked Secret Service, there's a holding area where they keep the president if there's an identified threat.
		They identified Brooks several hours in advance, an hour in advance, 20 some odd minutes, 10 minutes, and they said, no, Trump, you're good to go.
		None of that fits.
		It makes no sense.
		So it's, look, I'm not saying I know what happened.
		I'm saying if you believe the lone wolf theory of a crazy guy who snuck in, You are the most extreme of conspiracy theorists making the wildest and most psychotic and schizophrenic assumptions to make that story.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Well, no.
		Actually, the bigger argument I hear generally is it was fake.
		That's what I generally get from the left, actually, is that it was a fake assassination.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that is a deranged conspiracy theory as well.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		I'm just saying that's the argument.
		I say, okay, well then, so no one died.
		Oh, no, he died, but Trump killed him.
		I'm like...
		Did a bullet pass by Trump's head?
		That's all I want to know, because Trump's really crazy.
		If he's like, yeah, take shots near my head, I'm sorry, you gotta be really...
		And at that moment, he didn't need to.
		He had just destroyed Biden, by the way, a few days before.
		There was no need for him to do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And at this point, Biden had not yet dropped out.
		It was, I think it was a couple days later, Biden, or a week later or so, was it?
		I'm getting my time.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		What happened actually was pretty, to me, it was pretty clear.
		Because I think a lot of us said, they're going to kill this guy, right?
		We all were waiting for this, and it was miraculous.
		It was an amazing moment, energetically, for the country to see him survive.
		It was the aversion of JFK, because a lot of us who know, you know, talk about the crazy conspiracy theory growing up.
		That was, you know, the film I was in as a kid, and I knew a lot about as a kid growing up.
		You know, the JFK assassination was devastating for your generation.
		And it marked the baby boomers, him, MLK, Malcolm X, RFK, destroyed that generation psychologically in many ways.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, my family, we grew up as Democrats.
		We stayed around, you know, southeastern New England, big fans of the Kennedy family.
		And we grew up as Democrats.
		I mean, I went through my...
		You know, actually, when I went into the White House as a national security advisor, I was a quote-unquote registered Democrat.
		You know, like I say, I don't give a shit about the politics as much as about the direction that the country's taking.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm still feeling pretty good.
		We can talk about, you know, the deep state was going after all these individuals, going after you, but it does seem like they're losing.
		I mean, maybe...
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, they're definitely on their...
unidentified		But, you know, so don't...
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		In warfare, there's a phrase, the enemy always has a vote.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		And do not ever underestimate your enemy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, of course.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I totally agree with you.
		Like we were talking earlier, I was so elated...
		When it was all announced on Tuesday night, and I'm thinking to myself, man, talk about dodging a bullet.
		A lot of people dodged a bullet.
		You dodged a bullet.
		This organization dodged a bullet.
		The freedom to speak freely in this country dodged a bullet.
		The ability to do the things that we need to do dodged a bullet.
		Do not underestimate what these people are capable of doing, and they're not going to simply roll over.
		And so, if I, if, I don't really, I honestly, I don't give a shit if people believe me or not, Tim.
		I really don't.
		I, this is, but I firmly believe what I am saying, and it doesn't come from something that I just got up this morning and read on the internet.
		It comes from a lifetime of experience studying, fighting, Being persecuted and living in an environment that has...
		My life has been examining the threats that come against the United States of America.
		As a young officer, yeah, it's on the battlefield in its formations and military units.
		But as I got more senior, it's looking at these ideologies that compete against the United States of America.
		And it kind of goes back to what you had talked about, where you were asked earlier, and I'm not sure I answered the question clearly.
		But it's kind of like, why do they want this?
		And I was talking, I got into the whole geology thing.
		I mean, they want it because it's absolute power.
		When you think about the Bolshevik Revolution, when you think about guys like the rise of Adolf Hitler, when you think about Mao Zedong, I mean, China would not exist today were it not for the United States of America going in and beating the pants off of the imperialist Japanese and driving them from modern-day Burma all the way back to Japan, and then dropping two atom bombs, because the first one, the reason why we dropped the second one, because the first one didn't convince them enough.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So there's a double conspiracy.
		So if you go back 20 years, you've got people like Alex Jones, very, very anti-government, very critical of everything in government.
		Still, many of these individuals consider themselves to be people who love America.
		And the double conspiracy is that the plan actually isn't to go after Donald Trump.
		the plan is to get the anti-american element to support the government as a whole and so and i'm not i'm not saying it's true i'm explaining the double conspiracy it's an inverse conspiracy not double conspiracy the idea was the deep state comes together and says we have had this persistent dissenting faction that no matter what hates congress hates the supreme court they're critical of everything they're critical of police they want alternative currencies they're launching these these alternate currencies
		they are challenging us how do we get these people to invert their ideology and wave the american flag and cheer for the establishment the the entire structure of u.s government so the cabal put trump in So what they do is, you can't.
		You can't just come out and say, this is the guy, trust me.
		Because people are going to say, yeah, yeah, we've been there, we've done that, you're the machine.
		What you do is, you bring about a guy who is opposed by the machine.
		You choose one of the most unlikable candidates to receive support from every institution, criticizing and lying about your real choice.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So as it goes, the deep state wants Trump to be president, but they need him to be an underdog fighting against them.
		So they play the villain.
		Trump is actually in their corner.
		He's the real deep state.
		They fabricate the scenario where the evil government is trying to stop the people from rising up.
		And 10 years later, you've got anarchists and conspiracy theorists cheering on the Senate, Supreme Court, and the executive branch in all of their glory.
		And all of their plans and all of their missions are receiving the backing.
		Not just because this is the man who defeated the deep state, but because you've created a tribal component where a large portion of the right, I wouldn't say the majority, have to oppose the left.
		This is why you see gender ideology?
		Like in what reality does it make sense to give children sex changes?
		So I'm not saying the conspiracy theory is true.
		I'm saying since Donald Trump began to run, I was in Fort Lauderdale and there were protesters outside of his rally and they were holding up signs with our images of Trump and Hillary Clinton hanging out and being friends.
		And this is what they were saying.
		They were saying Trump is the false prophet.
		The deep state have chosen him.
		They're setting him up to be this anti-hero who's challenging the machine, when in reality he is the machine.
		That way you all cheer for him, and they've convinced you to support them.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		I mean...
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		I love that.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		You ought to write a book about that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I didn't make this up.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		No, no, it makes...
		I mean, look, there is certainly things you could say make sense about it, like the vaccine rollout, right?
		There is something to that where he did authorize this whole, you know...
		It's not even a vaccine.
unidentified		What is it?
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Genetic modification, right?
		The mRNA technology, right?
		Why would he do that if there wasn't a component of the deep state?
		Obviously, through his whole first administration...
		But to his credit, he didn't start a new war.
		Obviously, he did certain things that we can agree with, but it wasn't a perfect presidency by far.
		So what do you think of that argument?
		Do you think that's just the truth?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Well, because I know, like, I am, you know, I've been, on the internet, all you do is really dig into the people that are sort of the Flynn haters.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm running a worldwide, global pedophile ring.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Oh no, I heard you're actually trying to become president.
		That was one of my favorites.
		You're actually trying to basically get rid of Trump and take over as the president.
		That's what I heard.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Jesus.
		So, I've heard that.
		Not in the detail and not in the way that you just articulated, which I really find fascinating.
		For...
		Number one, having met him, spoken with him, traveled with him, served for him, and gotten to know him and his family, particularly Eric, Don Jr., but really Eric.
		I've gotten to know Eric quite well.
		And Ivanka, Jared, I mean, others in their family.
		You know, there's no effing way in the world that that is a, you know, there's nothing true to that.
		People will believe that kind of stuff, though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I'll say this, too.
		I agree.
		I think this is the problem I have with conspiracy theories is that you have to make tremendous leaps and tremendous assumptions to get to that point.
		And Occam's razor suggests in the absence of evidence, the solution that makes the least amount of assumptions tends to be correct.
		And that is a very, very popular celebrity with his name in gold letters on tops of buildings was able to muster up more popular support than one of the most despised politicians in history, Hillary Clinton.
		And they wanted her to be in charge so that she could perpetuate these wars in the Middle East.
		And the reason I would say outright, you know, I bring up the conspiracy theory because I think it's funny.
		But the reason I would just give my my counterpoint as to why it's absolutely not true is the near complete reversal of deep state interventionist foreign policy under Donald Trump.
		It would make no sense if that was the case.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		I think the more likely conspiracy is the idea that he could...
		They thought maybe at some level he could be a useful idiot.
		So I remember when he first was running, there was this whole question, you know, did the Clintons put him up to this?
		Is he doing this for more attention?
		Is he trying to make money off of this, right?
		And you just watch the actions.
		You know, taking someone like you, who certainly Obama literally said about Flynn, you know, don't hire Flynn.
		This guy's dangerous.
		Why?
		Because he knows how the deep state works.
		He could have come in there and cleaned things out.
		Trump took you on.
		He didn't have to do that.
		He was...
		I think at some level, there was a hope that they could play him, and they did to a certain extent, but not fully.
		Because even though they got a Bolton in there, but he wouldn't escalate against Iran.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		He wouldn't go to war.
		I'm sorry, Sean.
		Even before that, I think the placement of Mike Pence as a vice president, Trump didn't know him.
		It's like the establishment, you put this modifying...
		Element, person, you know, into his orbit.
		I mean, so Trump won the presidency.
		Mike Pence became the vice president.
		Trump wins the presidency.
		So, okay, good.
		Mike helped him win the vice presidency.
		But his position was to keep, to kind of be a modifying element or force within the White House to keep him calm, you know, to kind of keep going along with the All the way to January 6th.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		And I think you'll see through the course of the series why the conspiracy worked in the sense that Trump came in there with this attitude of, hey, why are we financing NATO? Hey, why can't we get along with the Russians?
		That was the biggest, that was the trigger point for them.
		They could not allow us to have good relations with Russia.
		which really could have stabilized a lot in the last eight years.
		It would not have had the Ukraine war, as you know.
		And this conspiracy, as you know, with the FBI notes and other things, they had to set this Russian collusion thing up so that he could not do what he wanted to do before coming into office, which was to work with Russia.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		And I know when we were doing the filming for this, I mean, one of the things that, again, people, you got to look at, not just a blip on the screen, you got to look at the kind of the totality of events over time.
		And to really, you know, to make a judgment, to make a really strong validation, valid judgment on something instead of just assuming that these things occurred.
		So Russia's relationship with the United States of America during the Obama administration, I mean, we were working directly with the Russians in Syria.
		I mean, we're flying, you know, we're flying aircraft, they're flying aircraft, we're going after, you know, terrorists, they're going after terrorists, we're working together, we're communicating.
		I mean, it was like they had a, they had a, I think it was at least a half of a naval fleet, first time ever in the Eastern Med at the time that they're conducting operations where our military's working with them.
		During my earlier time in the military, after the collapse of the Soviet Union and the ending of the Cold War, we began to have what's called the Partners for Peace operations, right?
		I mean, we would have training exercises with them.
		Hell, I attended Command and General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, and in my staff group was a Russian colonel.
		So there was all this outreach.
		We have actually had positive relations with Russia for a long time.
		And then all of a sudden, they became like the boogeyman again.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Can you tell us a little bit about the Qatar Turkey Pipeline?
		I bring it up quite a bit, but I'm curious your experience.
		So the story that I've followed for a long time and the reason why Russia becomes this boogeyman, the United States wanted to build a pipeline from Qatar through Syria through Turkey into Europe to compete with Gazprom.
		They wanted to offset their – we say monopoly, but it's about 20 percent of the natural gas into Europe.
		Syria outright says no to the U.S. We're not going to allow you to do this because it will disrupt our ally Russia who relies on this control of natural gas.
		Syria then falls into what is very fortuitous for the United States, a civil war.
		ISIS emerges.
		Seems like Barack Obama just can't get a hold of things, and it's destabilizing the region.
		And I think the bigger picture seems to be that once that is...
		One serious kind of out of like, you know, Assad seems to maintain control.
		All of a sudden you get the Burisma scandal and it seems like the United States, the West and the and these intelligence agencies are trying to find a way to disrupt Russia's energy control into Europe.
		The argument they've made when they try to be less conspiratorial is, oh, it's just it's hard to grow the European economy with these with with this expense that we're facing.
		And you see riots over these prices.
		Yeah.
		we have to do something to offset Russia's control.
		But when you get the Nord Stream bombing, you get the U.S. seemingly odd support for Ukraine in this conflict.
		It really does feel like it's just the West, Europe, the United States, NATO trying to destroy Russia so that they can establish control over energy or something to that effect.
unidentified		Yeah.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		So we've talked about the energy resources here in this country, and there's a lot more detail to that.
		But we have extraordinary capacity here, and I think Trump is right to use the geography, the geology, the energy capabilities that we have to leverage as a massive strength.
		as a way for us to show a healthy body of America to really get our economy going again, that puts us in a seat, sort of in the catbird seat.
		So what you're talking about is all of these different flows of a capability, primarily energy.
		There's three principal commodities on the planet that all nation states, they all have to have, all human beings have to have, and that's food, water, and energy.
		Okay?
		Food, water, and energy.
		And in some cases, you can't have the first two without the energy resources to be able to drive the productivity, the production, the water, you know, getting water out of the ground, I mean, and purifying it, all the things that has to happen.
		Those are the three principal things.
		So where you have it, and you know, the Persian Gulf, right?
		We've been putting aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf for decades to protect the free flow of oil out of the Straits of Hormuz.
		And guess who benefits the most?
		China.
		40% of China's energy comes through the Straits of Hormuz.
		40%.
		Because China doesn't have the great wealth that we have in this country or that Russia has.
		And China and Russia relationships in the past weren't so great.
		The United States of America was always trying to work that alliance.
		Okay?
		For a long time.
		That was Reagan.
		Reagan was great at that.
		He was really trying to make sure that he was trying to keep Russia away from a Chinese, a Sino-China block, right?
		A Russia block.
		But now that we've pushed them into that.
		We've pushed them into that in a big way because of stupidity, because of incompetence, and just dumb people.
		And when that happens, because one of the things that occurs...
		You know, constantly is the great powers are always trying to drive wedges in between the alliances that we are trying to have.
		So we have partners, we have allies, we have nation states that are close, you know, the five eyes kind of crowd, you know, Australia, Canada, and the United Kingdom, as an example, New Zealand.
		These are supposed to be like we're the English speaking parts of the world.
		These are allies.
		We are constantly having to keep those relationships straight.
		So everything that you just said about energy resources, because if you look at the strategy and then the tactics, and then in between to try to drive wealth to certain places, and where there's lots of people that have wealth to be able to purchase energy, like Europe.
		I mean, Africa, you know, they're not trying to build big pipelines into Kenya, right?
		I mean, they should, but they're not.
		They're not trying to build big pipelines.
		We don't hear about it going down into South America.
		They should, and they can.
		And actually, they actually do pretty good.
		Paraguay?
		Great country, you know, a democratic country led by a superb president.
		You see Millay right now, and I guess Millay visited with Trump and Elon the other day, which is good, because I'm a big fan of his, whatever it is, afuera.
		And so this idea about energy, I mean, the whole Nord Stream pipeline, you know, destroying that?
		Now, here's the other thing, because you mentioned Kissinger earlier, talking about Kissinger.
		So when you look at people like that, and there's others, the former Prime Minister of Germany is actually on the payroll of Russia because the big pipeline comes into Germany, okay, from Russia, big pipeline, and then from Germany it goes out to all of Europe, and then it flows back down into like, it'll go as far south as Turkey, and then you have the competition for that resource coming from the Middle East, right, through some pipelines or whatever.
		All of that matters.
		And when you start to look at it, you go, okay, there's somebody getting something on us.
		And it's just like two kids on a street that are trying to compete with each other.
		Nation states are like that.
		They are like that.
		And it's like, well, we're not going to allow this guy to be able to do this.
		And then when you have another nation state like China or Russia that says, well, we're not going to allow the United States to do that.
		And it's a constant give and take.
		And what happens is wars start.
		Wars don't start unintentionally.
		They don't start unintentionally.
		They start intentionally.
		And for very, you know, I mean, one of the books I wrote talks about the idea that war is the norm in human history and peace is the aberration.
		That's why when Trump comes into office in 2016, And he doesn't go to war.
		Everybody's like, oh my god!
		This is a guy that's...
		And I tell people, Tim, I'm not anti-war.
		I'm anti-stupid war.
		There are times when...
	I don't want us to go to war.
	I'm not...
	As a former military guy, it's not...
	That's not my thing.
	But when I look at stupid things and constant participation in warfare for things like resources, like we're protecting the Straits of Hormuz.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, one thing I say, too, is I hear from most people that are like, oh, I oppose conscription in the military draft.
		And I always say to everybody, no, you don't.
		Yeah.
		of North Carolina and started storming in and massacring everybody, you'd say, what can I do to help in two seconds?
		The issue is that we oppose drafting for these interventionist fake wars overseas we don't understand and we don't want to be involved in.
		If it came down to you defending your own home, I imagine, sure, some people are going to be like, I ain't fighting, get away from me.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		But that's what we're seeing right now.
		And that's what we saw, you know, on January 6th.
		And we've been seeing for the last four years, there's a serious war going on in our country for information, you know, as Alex Jordan's talked about, info wars, right?
unidentified		Fifth generational.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Fifth generational warfare, but info wars, information war.
		We are fighting to say, listen, you guys have been indoctrinated into a globalist ideology.
		Listen, I went to Princeton.
		I understand how this works, as we talked about the recruitment process, the recruitment into an education system that tells you This is normal.
		This is the way it's supposed to be.
		Climate change.
		We have to cut down our carbon dioxide.
		It's like this is the insanity that gets pushed by the establishment.
		So then you have to buy into it.
		Oh, you have to be a Democrat who believes in DEI, who believes in being a good person, putting your mask on, getting your vaccine, all this shit.
		It's information war that starts when you're young and to basically see how much are you going to conform.
		And that's why they're making this point in the new election.
		Oh, the most educated states all vote Democrat.
		I'm like, you mean the most indoctrinated?
		Because an intelligent person can get an education, but an education does not make you intelligent.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		There's an overlap of where people assume that education equals intelligence and it's more likely that education maps onto indoctrination, as in you know the things that the establishment wants you to know.
		You have the narrative that the establishment wants you to know.
		It doesn't mean that you're...
		That you're definitely going to be more intelligent than other people that don't go to college or whatever.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		What's your life experience?
		Are you able to absorb and adapt?
		Are you able to understand that there's a system that you're performing for?
		And that was a lot of the whole education system backed by the Rockefellers in the beginning and whatnot as a Prussian model of basically saying, let's make you into a good worker.
		Can you obey orders?
		Can you listen and obey?
		And so, I mean, we're really in this really weird place where Democrats go, the Republicans are banning books.
		I'm like, do you understand that education itself is based on books that have been written for you by an establishment that says, this is okay to teach kids.
		I mean, look at your history book.
		It's like, they don't talk about things that we're discussing here.
		They just tell you very rote things.
		And then they'll say, you know, and then if they want to lean you in one direction, they'll be like, now...
		Now it's okay.
		We have to say, you know, Columbus was bad.
		The explorers were evil people.
		They, you know, genocided.
unidentified		I mean, we don't even...
		This is probably something that people say all the time, but we don't even teach the citizens of the U.S. how our government works anymore.
		And they've been replacing the ideas or the instruction that explains how the republic works.
		They've been replacing it with simplified democracy as an idea.
		And that's not I mean, democracy is it's a simple idea, but our government is much more complex the way that our system works.
		And it's intended to be more complex than just simple democracy because a simple democracy is going to end up with, you know, essentially mob rule.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		But I remember very clearly in 2017 when Trump came in, it was the elites basically doubling down saying, my God, we can't let these deplorables tell us what to do actually.
		So there was something very democratic to Trump's rise, but it was this resentment from the elite because, as you said, they understand the system.
		They understand it very well.
		They played it.
		the common people aren't supposed to understand it.
		So when you start talking about conspiracies, not just theories, sure, but real conspiracies, really understanding the dynamics of these systems, the fact that they are so intertwined, going back to your generational wealth issue, it's actually, sure, three generations if you're coming up now, but if you're a Rockefeller, if you're a Rothschild, if you're even these older families but if you're a Rockefeller, if you're a Rothschild, if you're even these older families that go back and, you know, you talk to them in Europe and they can trace their ancestry to 1200, you know, they say if your money comes from after
		Okay, like this is old money, old ideologies, old...
		And that's the whole infrastructure of it.
		So when Wells wrote the New World Order book, H.G. Wells wrote it, the whole point was...
		We're going to start bringing in the blacks and the Latinos and the colonial peoples of the British Empire into our system.
		We're going to start to train them.
		That was the whole Rhodes Scholarship model.
		Instead, it was to bring people in to say, we're going to incorporate you so that you, the former colonies, can run the system.
		And that's what we see all over the world, right?
		The corruption, the idea of these elites all over the world that are corrupted.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Mass migration.
		I mean, the idea of completely open borders, like an open world.
		I mean, most Americans don't realize that Trudeau, Biden was overgone in Mexico.
		Now it's not.
		But they signed a pact basically opening up this part of the world, the northern hemisphere of North America.
		As an open kind of society.
		They signed it.
		I mean, he signed off almost three years ago now.
		And it was done, you know, and nobody paid any attention.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		I remember something about it, and then it was just quiet.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it was gone.
		Nobody told him anything about it.
		So it's like this is a belief system that is being imposed on us as though we'll just accept it.
		How can we not accept people coming in here?
		I mean, one of the things I'm getting this morning is, you know, getting back to the early conversation about threats as these, you know, Iranian and Venezuelan gangs or groups, small groups that have been inserted into this this country.
		You know, you kind of go, OK, so and this is not coming from, you know, some crazy, you know, conspiracy theorist.
		Right.
		This is coming from very legitimate sources.
		And, you know, you have to say to yourself, is this, you know, kind of your point, Tim, earlier about intentionality, you know, so what's going on?
		Is this intentionally being done?
		And the answer is, to a degree, is yeah.
		This is a very intentional, this is an intentional push to fundamentally change America, as Barack Obama said at one time.
		And this idea about transforming America from what it was.
		The one thing that I think that people...
		And Phil, you were hitting on it.
		The complexity of our system...
		I mean, never mind...
		You look at our elections.
		We just went through elections and every state has a different election system, right?
		The complexity of the system that the founders created, so this constitution that forms a federal government, but every state had its own little world.
		A lot of time, a lot of the arguments when you read the Federalist Papers and some of the other documents, I mean, some of the states went in there and said, why do I got to join this?
		You know, this is the early colonies, right?
		Why do I got to do this?
		And they ended up coming together and they said, okay, we're going to come together.
		And Ben Franklin probably has one of the greatest statesmen and just ideas about, you know, he told everybody at a moment in time when they were all assembled, he said, okay, let's stop.
		Let's take a deep breath.
		Let's return to why we came here in the first place, which was religious persecution.
		And they all had him say a prayer and then he goes, okay, basically go out and then come back in and let's talk about how we're going to move forward.
		And they did.
		And they moved forward.
		But they still created this very complex system.
		And that, to me, is the strength.
		Of this country is the complexity because people overseas, dictators, there's no complexity to their system.
		Communist countries, kings, monarchs, there's no complexity to their system.
		It's whatever they say.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to wrap that up?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		No, I just think people need to understand that We have extraordinary strength still in this country when we are led by the right people.
		You know, people that fundamentally believe in America for what it was designed to be, right?
		And I think that's where...
		And that's why, from my personal perspective, when the first moment that I met Trump up in Trump Tower in New York in 2015...
		I mean, that was the connection that we had because, you know, we're from different worlds.
		And that was the connection that we had was, you know, I saw this guy who totally understood our country.
		He loved it.
		And he understood the world as it was happening and playing out.
		And he felt so strongly that he could do something about it.
		And I was like, wow.
		And we had an amazing conversation, you know, like we're having right now.
		It's very similar.
		It was very global and very, you know, looking at the future.
		How do you fix the future, right?
		Not about how screwed up we are.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I wanted to ask you then, I don't know if you can answer, but are there any plans for you to serve in the upcoming Trump administration?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		None.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was easy.
unidentified		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What would you like to see happen then moving forward?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I'm a little tongue-in-cheek, but right now I don't have any plans.
		I'm a bit of a lightning rod because I can be a member of a team for sure, and Trump knows this.
		But there's going to be a lot of tension moving forward here because it's not so much the Democrats.
		We kind of know.
		When I say the Democrats, I don't use that word anymore.
		I try not to because it doesn't exist.
		The Democrat Party.
		This left of our country that has grabbed hold You know, this chokehold of what used to be, you know, a party that had ideas, you know, big government, more taxes kind of ideas and other things.
		The establishment now, I think, is where Trump and I do know that he because I've heard him say it enough now that he's learned a lot of lessons.
		And so But there's going to be great tension to say, we've got to keep things moving in a certain direction, right?
		I mean, I don't know if you know this, but two days ago, this administration is talking about sending another $6 billion over to Ukraine.
unidentified		Yeah, they want to do it before the end of the year.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's insane.
		Why?
		I mean, it's $6 billion.
		Here, just go put it out in the parking lot out here and light a fire on it.
unidentified		I mean, that really does indicate that it is about corruption, about money laundering more than anything else.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		So I use that example, Phil, because...
		There's a tension in Washington, D.C., and that tension is...
		Trump is...
		I like the fact that he chose Susie Wiles as his chief, and she's going to be a big...
		She's a great trusted advisor of him.
		He totally trusts her.
		She's a great person.
		So...
		The people that will swarm around Washington, D.C. at this moment in time are going to be people from Washington, D.C. I mean, I don't live in Washington, D.C., so I'm not driving up there and hanging out at the meetings and going, okay, it's people from that swamp.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		250,000 to 20,000.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Kamala Harris votes in Washington, D.C. 250,000 for her, 20,000 for Trump.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I think it was 93% or 95%.
unidentified		That just speaks to the fact that...
unidentified		D.C. is entirely captured, you know, completely.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's so many...
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		But it's the Great Society programs.
		I mean, going back to when the Democrats changed, it wasn't the Kennedys, it was the Johnson Great Society programs, right, pushing us probably more towards this socialist stagnant model.
		And as you know, back in the 80s, they already started talking about this controlled demolition of America, economically.
		Basically, it's like, we're going to be a stagnant socialist country.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		And that's all real.
		Those aren't conspiracy theories.
		Those are things that are real.
		I think what we've learned and what I've seen, certainly in the world of the social media and these great minds that we have out there, and you guys are included in that because I find this level of brilliance in these people that have really...
		There's a lot of podcasters, and I love them all, but there are some because of their ability to communicate, study, research, be prepared, and do all the things that you need to do to be really successful.
		And we have a bunch of them.
		Those are the type of people, and there's other business leaders.
		I mean, I don't know them.
		I've never met them.
		I've seen them, and I've responded to them on X at times.
		This Bill Ackman is an example, right?
		Cardone is another guy.
		I mean, Elon's another one of these types of people that have risen up.
		Vivek Ramaswamy, another guy that has risen up.
		There's other leaders in our midst, right?
		And what I want people to do, and this gets to the heart of your question, Tim, about me, you know, what I want to see is I want to see more leaders that are not from the political establishment.
		And I don't, you know, if there's some great military, former military leaders, great.
		If there's business leaders, which I know there are, that are running, Great organizations, and they know...
		They're Trump-like in their abilities, maybe not in their mindset and sort of how he operates, but there are great leaders, and that's what I want to see come into the government, and I would love to see, And I know, you know, like places like the Secretary of the Treasury, Secretary of Commerce, you know, those are going to be huge picks for Trump.
		And they should come from a place of leadership as well as intellect in that in those in those sort of worlds.
		Right.
		Commerce and and Treasury.
		Same same with the with all these other really, you know, the critical departments.
		Some of the departments need to be gotten need to be completely eliminated.
		But but that's what I want to see.
		You know, and I think that I know that Trump has these relationships.
		Now, it's a matter of somebody saying, I'm going to put my life aside because this is what you have to do.
		Okay?
		And this is a tough thing because people go, I don't know.
		I got two examples of two very, very successful people who both of them wanted two really prominent jobs and You know, in the previous administration, and when it came down to the nut-cutting time, they backed away because their egos got in the way of the mission.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I think it's a, for most people, it's sacrificing for something beyond them, and that's It's difficult for most people.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Bobby Kennedy, if there is an example of a modern-day founding father putting country before self, it's Robert F. Kennedy Jr., That man, he could have stayed in there and said, screw it, I'm going to fight.
		And I watched him very closely as he was coming in and doing the things, and I'm studying him, and I was always a big fan of the whole Kennedy experience, right?
		I mean, got different issues.
		But when I saw him coming in, I'm like thinking, okay, this is an interesting dynamic.
		And he's going after a big issue, which is a huge issue for all Americans.
		And then all of a sudden, because he sat there and he stood there in a couple of stages and said, I'm not going to give up, I'm not going to give up.
		And then he realized, I think it's like, whatever, like the old light switch comes on, and he realized that this party that he used to be part of, that he had to jump away from and go independent, he realized, these people are evil.
		This is evil.
unidentified		Yeah.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Talk about spiritual warfare.
		But this is not the old Democrat Party.
		This is evil.
		And he finally...
		Whatever that moment was, he said, I can't allow this country to go this way.
		Because personally, I don't think if Bobby Kennedy came over to the Trump camp, because the independent numbers that I've seen are pretty high for Trump.
		He got a lot of independence.
		Maybe that's the Kennedy effect.
		There'll be an analysis of that, I'm sure, for a long time.
		But he is an example...
		Whatever people want to think about Bobby Kennedy, whatever his background is, he rose to the occasion like our founders rose to the occasion and he put country before self because he'd have been destroyed like everybody else had the results been different.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you think about Tulsi Gabbard?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I know her.
		Yeah, I know her.
		I met her.
		I like her.
		I think that she's got, you know, extraordinary talent.
		She's super smart.
		I like her, you know, for the fact that she served in the military, you know, and just has sort of done it very, very with dignity and honorably.
		You know, I don't know, you know, I mean...
		I can see Trump, you know, because all this business about women, right?
		And it's not to put a woman in charge of it because she's a woman.
		I'm now talking about the Department of Defense, you know?
		I think that, because we haven't had a female as the Secretary of Defense, right?
		Appointed.
		We've had acting at times, but...
		So I, you know, I don't know if that's the way Trump is heading, but I, because you can always, you know, her experiences with big organizations and is not there.
		And I, you know, and I would say that and I would let her know that.
		But you can put people around, good people around that leader because she's got, I think, extraordinary leadership skills.
		She's a type of person that, like I say, leadership, you don't have to be an old general and you're a leader.
		You can be a great leader at a very young age.
		Maturity has nothing to do with age and neither does leadership skills and qualities.
		And she's got those kind of skills and qualities.
		I don't know if Trump is going in that direction, but I actually would find that, you know, if that's his decision on something like that, I'd actually, I would say, yep, good decision.
		Now build the team around her because there is extraordinary levels of reform that need to happen in our military.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you some, I guess, more simpler questions, I suppose.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The first one, just for context, is how long did you serve for?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I served for about 33 and a half years.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm just curious, reaching the rank that you did, was it very political?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Are you navigating these, you know, the opinions of people who may be wrong to try and earn points, or how does that work?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Like, you're asking, like, how many asses do you need to kiss?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly.
unidentified		How much freedom do you have to have your own opinion, really?
unidentified		I was trying to be more academic.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Well, no.
		Don't be academic.
		Your audience is like, oh, what the hell?
		Because you're not that way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you have to kiss ass?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Now, do you?
		Do people do that?
		You're damn right they do.
		One of the things that we always say, especially as I got more senior, be careful of promoting people in your own likeness.
		Because if you promote somebody in your own likeness, you're probably not going to get the best people.
		So, I mean, for a person like me, I served in the field.
		So I didn't get into Washington, D.C. And as an intelligence officer that rose to the level that I rose to, you know, I didn't go to Washington, D.C. until I was a major general, a two-star.
		So I served in operational assignments, you know, a lot.
		And, you know, I served at, I can't call it Fort Liberty.
		It's called Fort Bragg.
		I served at Fort Bragg, North Carolina in the airborne and the special operations for 17 years.
		Actually, I served there from the rank of second lieutenant to the rank of brigadier general.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or I don't know if Trump, but should we rename them back?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Of course!
		This is insane.
		This is back to what Sean has been talking about.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The statues, right?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		It's insane.
		I mean, come on.
		Don't get me going on that right now.
		I'll give you the stupid example of Alexandria, Virginia, where George Washington used to go to church every Sunday.
		They removed the fucking plaque.
		Because he owned slaves.
		Because the people in Alexandria, Virginia...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We can't tolerate this.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		No, we cannot tolerate this.
		But back to what we're talking about, about promotions and stuff like that.
		And people can go look at my career path and my career profile and the types of assignments that I had.
		And I never wavered from taking hard assignments.
		And what I... I joke sometimes and I say, look, you don't have like, you know, fairy dust dropped on you and poof, you're a three-star general, okay?
		And, you know, when I look at, again, people can go examine.
		It's all public.
		It's very public.
		I was the most Googled name on the planet for two years, okay?
		The most Googled name on the planet for two years.
		And when you Googled my name, The algorithms would take you to traitor, committed treason, Putin spy, Russian spy.
		Two years, Tim.
		So they made me out to be a demon.
		That's why I got all these people out there saying I'm doing all this bullshit, right?
		And I actually, to a degree now, I thrive on it, and maybe it's the Irish cynic in me.
		So do people get to those levels, and does it become very political?
		It sure does.
		But what you have to do is, if you want to maintain your integrity and who you are, At a certain point in time, and that's why I was sort of rifled out of there, because I stood there or sat there in front of a very key congressional testimony and asked my judgment on what was going on globally against this enemy that we were facing, and I told the truth.
		And I was immediately, you're gone.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you think about Millie?
unidentified		Millie.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I think Milley made huge mistakes in the way he acted at the tail end of his career.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		And the thing that he said about calling China, calling his counterpart, I would call my counterpart in China.
unidentified		That sounds like straight up treason.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I just, I look at something like that.
unidentified		He did that, didn't he?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		He would call his counterpart...
		Are you out of your mind?
		I like Mark Milley.
		I got to know Mark Milley.
		As I witnessed him in the latter part of his career, I'm thinking to myself, who is telling him to say the things that he is saying?
		White rage.
		The nonsense about white rage.
		I'm thinking to myself, Just shut up.
		This is not your role.
		You're the principal by law.
		You're the principal military advisor to the commander-in-chief, which is the president of the United States.
		All this other political bullshit that you're talking about, get out of there.
		Just say, look...
		You know, here's what I believe.
		I advise the President.
		If he wants to say what he advised the President on, which he should not, if the President wants to say what advice I got from my Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, that's his right.
		But that's what Milley ought to do.
		That's what he should have done.
		He should have said, this is what I advised, or this is what, you know, here's what I believed, especially after he got out.
		While he was in uniform, you know, it's kind of like, how dare you say, you know, what you're telling the President of the United States or what you're doing around his back?
		And J6, okay?
		Because I believe J6 was a total setup, and we still have people in prison that have yet to see a judge.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or a charge.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Or not been charged.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Three years, no charges.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I mean, where's the speedy trial, right?
		So where's the due process?
		So, you know, all of the J6 madness, and then these conversations that were had between Milley and the Speaker of the House, I mean, Pelosi, I mean, I'm kind of like, why are you talking to her?
		Why are you having these conversations?
		You're, and now, you know, if you're, I mean, how much can I swear on this?
		Because I, I mean...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We usually don't swear, but, you know, we're not crying.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, my, you know, how...
		How dare you go outside?
		You're the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
		And one of the things that is sacrosanct in the military is something called the chain of command.
		And when you violate the chain of command and you go outside of it, right, you better do it for purposes that matter in a serious, serious way that your boss can't be aware of or your boss is doing something.
		Did you really believe that Trump was going to, he's committing an insurrection?
unidentified		No.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		There's no way.
		This all happened prior.
		We can go into rhyme and verse if you want.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Milley did acknowledge that Trump had wanted the Capitol to be secure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		He acknowledged exactly what Kash Patel and many others have been saying, which is that he had authorized for the use of the National Guard or any kind of military presence that they needed.
		Pelosi refused and Bowser refused.
		Our series does get into that.
		Ultimately, we go through these stories.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I think when people see this series, Sean, they're going to be blown away.
		And I think for the series...
		The fact that Trump won, it's going to make it more powerful because you're going to hear things that, you know, I know what I talked about and I know some of the other guys that you spoke with, they're going to talk about things that we can now do.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Right.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Because if we didn't win, everybody would see this thing and go, Jesus, man, we're in trouble.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it was Mike Cernovich.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Trump could declassify all of the J6 files on day one.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Every single...
		The President of the United States is the classification authority for the United States of America.
		So, you know, let me say that again.
		The President of the United States is the classification authority for the United States of America.
		He can decide what is classified and what is not classified.
		All this crap about this CIA and this bullshit.
		The President of the United States is the classification authority for the entirety of the United States of America.
		And that includes anything that any contractor touches.
		That's the authority given to the President by the judgment of the American people as a duly elected President according to our Constitution.
		That's reality.
		That's the fact.
		So all this stuff, like the JFK files, Dump them!
		It's like when...
		What the hell was the guy?
		I just lost my train of thought on the WikiLeaks.
		Julian Assange.
		Dump it all out there.
		As a journalist, boom.
		Jump it all out there and let's see what we got.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to see all the files pertaining to the investigations on J6ers when they're traveling across the country.
		When they raided that it was a woman in Alaska, I think.
		They got a case of mistaken identity, raided her home and went, oops, wrong person.
		I want to see the communications as to how that happens and why anyone cared.
		What are they saying behind the scenes where they're like, we really need to fly halfway around the world, go to Alaska and raid some woman's home?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I think what we're going to see, and there's so much stuff.
		My warning out to people right now, and Trump kind of did this a couple of months back with a cease and desist thing about cheating in the elections.
		Don't cheat.
		If you get caught and I win, Katie, bar the door.
		Anybody in the United States government right now, anybody in the United States government right now that is...
		Taking their little government-issued phones, or taking their computers, and anybody that's in a leadership position that is starting to delete shit and saying, and trying to tell me, because I will come after you, trying to tell me that you're, you know, because we're transitioning the government, we're going to transition our computers, we're going to go to a new system.
		That is total bullshit.
		It's just like you get an order from a judge that says, you know, I've had plenty of them.
		Protect everything.
		Every text message, every email, protect it all.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Is that what RFK Jr.
unidentified		said?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Trump should tweet this right now.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		He should.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Every federal worker, preserve your records.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		RFK Jr.
		was saying this.
		Pack your bags and preserve your records.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And so...
		That message needs to go out on every single mass of these big podcasters, these big influencers as you guys are.
		This needs to go out because I know that there are good people in the U.S. government.
		I know this.
		And they're waiting, they're waiting for President Trump to get back in charge, and this time to have a group of people that, you know, are trustworthy, you know, believe in the Constitution, and actually want to move the country in a very positive direction.
		Not the direction that we were heading, because we were heading, we weren't at the edge, we weren't like, you know, like at the edge, right?
		I don't know if people can see that.
		We were in the abyss.
		We were in the abyss.
		You know, it's like...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then Donald Trump, like Spider-Man...
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		The team.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		I think the team is the key.
unidentified		It is.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Again, that's why you mentioned the docuseries.
		It's so great that it's coming out with him winning because it doesn't mean that it's irrelevant.
		You have to know the history so that we don't repeat it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We only have a few minutes left, but where can people find the series?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's going on?
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's out today on Tucker Carlson's network.
		So, six parts, interview with General Flynn, with Tucker Carlson, with Rudy Giuliani, Cash Patel, Carter Page, Steve Bannon, George and Simona Papadopoulos, Roger Stone.
		And they're fascinating stories, again, because each one will take you deeper into this web.
		As you'll see, this whole Russian collusion narrative was really a conspiracy by the deep state.
		There's no Russians in the story.
		They're all people that just had a certain level of, hey, we should get along with the Russians.
unidentified		Ah!
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		You must be a Russian spy.
		You're a Russian stooge.
		We're going to investigate you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The FBI fabricated evidence against Carter Page?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that what happened?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		The FBI fabricated evidence against me?
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Against everybody.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Against everyone.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		The Carter Page thing was the FISA that they got.
		It was using the Steele dossier as the basis.
		The Steele dossier was just made up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, But they omitted that he was an informant.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		They omitted it so much.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Actually, one of the guys actually changed.
		I think he either changed the word or he eliminated the word in his testimony.
		Yes, yes.
		Where it basically changed the meaning of the evidence, right?
		I mean...
		The culture inside the FBI, like the culture inside of many organizations in the government, and you're going to hear this in this series from every one of us, there's going to be a consistency that's going to come out in all the different people that Sean just mentioned, and there is a deep rot in our government, and that rot, like a cancer, like a metastasized cancer, needs to be removed, excised, and Elon's going to be part of it.
		Bobby Kennedy's going to be part of it.
		Trump is going to have to put his sort of premature on it.
		He's going to have to stamp this thing.
		And there's going to be other people that I know that want to get in there to help.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I love the...
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I'm looking forward to it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Matt Walsh made a joke on X. He said, now that Trump has won, can we admit that the plan was Project 2025 the whole time?
		And he's trolling.
		Steve Bannon, then on his show, saw that and laughed and said, yeah, let's send that one out to everybody.
		And the media, these news organizations, these media outlets on the left, I cannot imagine they genuinely believe this.
		Seamus Coghlein made a really great point.
		Matt Walsh is a guy who has built up this massive notoriety from two interviews where he mocked the left and liberals.
		One where he disguised himself as a liberal and tricked these people.
		His profile picture is him dressed as some liberal, some lefty hipster.
		And they still take the bait.
		And my attitude is they know it's not true.
		And not just to focus on this one thing about 2025, but any opportunity they can to pull something out of context, to scare people who don't pay attention, is what they do to try and steal and maintain power.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		It's called projection, and they will project their ideas onto you, and they will try to make you believe it, believe things that you would otherwise not believe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I do think people are starting to wake up, because one of the stories we covered last night is that this guy David Pakman, who's a liberal commentator, We're bleeding paid subscribers.
		We've lost 5,000 subscribers on YouTube.
		Please stop unsubscribing.
		He's like, I called some of these other big prominent liberals and they're losing subscribers like crazy.
		And it says to me, one, I think there's a component of a lot of it is fake.
		You know, bot accounts meant to prop up these individuals who are pushing misinformation.
		But I do believe a big component is, after this election, people realized, hey, those people were lying to me the whole time.
		They had me convinced that Kamala...
		This is funny.
		Kyle Kalinske, he actually projected...
		That Kamala would win Iowa and Florida.
		He said it was his bearish projection was that she wins all swing states, Iowa and Florida.
		But he thinks it's more likely she just wins all of the swing states.
		But worst case scenario, she wins 276.
		And every one of his projections were completely wrong.
		So when I hear that these liberals are losing tons of subscribers, it sounds to me that regular people are starting to wake up more and more realizing they've been lied to the whole time.
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		I think there's a mixture of things going on.
		One, I love that the conspiracy theorists are coming out saying, well, where are those millions of voters?
		Where did they go?
		And you go, ha ha ha.
		Now you realize what happened in 2020 was the anomaly, not 2024, right?
		But this is where we have to revisit 2020, which is again in the series.
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I want people to know that we're winning.
		We are winning, and we're winning because we're not giving up.
		And that's the DNA of every single American, is this idea that we will not give up our freedom.
		It's just built into us, and we're not going to give up, and we're winning.
		And this was another example of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We've got only a couple minutes left, so I think maybe we'll just do some final thoughts and some wrap-up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, Sean, do you want to just give your final thoughts and then shout out the show and where people can find you?
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, final thoughts.
		I think, you know, again, to what you just said, we instinctively as Americans, we have freedom as our base.
		You know, that's like, that's our compass, right?
		That's our true north.
		And I think that's why the New World Order agenda that we've been discussing and the global agenda has had such a hard time with America.
		It's not just about taking away your right to free speech or taking away your guns, shifting your government to become more under the umbrella of the federal government and then under global governance ultimately.
		That's the agenda.
		It's having a hard time with us because we, as Americans, we just believe in freedom and it's in our DNA. And so I really feel that we are, there's a shift that's taking place.
		2020, in many ways, was that awakening that people have talked about.
		And everything that we're seeing now is a consequence of it.
		And it's like, we're not going back.
		I think that's the real thing is that Kamala's point was, yeah, we aren't going back.
		But we're not going back to your globalist agenda.
		We're not going back to that.
		We're going forward towards a freer future, you know, return to our republic, restoration of the republic.
		Everything that I think Trump and the team that he's brought together can potentially lead us to, but each one of us has to do our part in it.
		We can't trust that Trump's going to solve it.
		No, we have to, each one of us, do what we're doing, keep informing people, keep working at it, keep reforming the system, keep calling out the bullshit.
		As you said, hold people accountable.
		That's the only way we're going to win.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So where can people find the show once more?
sean stone ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so Tucker Carlson Network.
		His network has it right now.
		All six parts should be up today, and it's online.
		I think he has Roku and other places.
		You can download his app and watch it there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
		Thanks for hanging out.
		General Flynn, final thoughts, and where can people find you?
michael flynn ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they can go to GeneralFlynn.com.
		And, you know, like I said, I've written seven books.
		We had a great number one movie film documentary called Flynn.
		You can find that there.
		And I appreciate everybody that has watched it.
		I think my final thoughts really for America and for Trump.
		Because he's going to lead this country in an extraordinary time, is I think a lot of people out there still feel like, wow, and they're still reeling.
		I do believe that this is a spiritual, there is a massive, massive spiritual war going on, good versus evil.
		And if you feel like you can't do anything else, you can always sit and pray.
		I mean, you know, so prayer is a huge—I call it the most powerful weapon system known to man.
		And I mean that, and I'm not one to wear my faith on my sleeve throughout my life, but lately I have found that prayer actually does matter.
		And I do believe that for our country going forward, based on who we are as a citizenry, as a people, that prayer still matters a lot.
		And I think a lot of people believe that.
		And I'm glad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
		Well, it's been an honor and a privilege, so I really appreciate you hanging out.
		Phil, do you want to shout anything out before we go?
unidentified		You can find me on Twix at PhilThatRemains.
unidentified		I'm PhilThatRemains on Instagram, so...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
		Well, everybody else, thank you so much for hanging out.
		It's been a blast.
		Man, you learn a lot.
		And I would say some of the conversation is scary, but we should be leaving hopeful because although there's a great challenge before us, I think we're still winning.
		So we will be back tonight at 8 p.m.
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