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The Culture War #84 January 6: When Democracy Ended | The Culture War with Tim Pool

Tim Pool is joined by Steve Baker, Joel Berry, & Adam Johnson to discuss the January 6th insurrection & the legal fallout since that day. Host: Tim Pool @Timcast (everywhere) Guests: Joel Berry @JoelWBerry (X) Steve Baker @TPC4USA (X) Adam Johnson @LecternLeader (X) Producers: Lisa Elizabeth @LisaElizabeth (X) Kellen Leeson @KellenPDL (X) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hey, everybody, Tim Pool here.
		Join me and my roundtable of guests on Timcast IRL as we break down the biggest stories in
		culture, news and politics every day.
		We got guests from all walks of life offering fresh perspectives on the latest issues and
		breaking news.
		Whether you want in-depth analysis or lively discussions, we've got you covered.
		Tune in, subscribe and rate on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your shows.
		Stay informed, stay engaged.
		See you there.
		This country faced a dark day.
		Violence in the streets of Washington D.C. The seat of power of this country was assaulted in a way that we never expected.
		Hundreds of police officers were injured.
		Barricades were torn down.
		You could see smoke rising up from the city streets.
		I was terrified when I saw this.
		I couldn't believe it was happening.
		Of course I'm referring to when Antifa attacked the White House and forced Donald Trump into the emergency bunker, set fire to St.
		John's Church and firebombed the White House.
unidentified		What are you guys here for? Something far worse.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		An even darker day. There was another insurrection.
		I thought May 29th was the only insurrection when the far left attacked the White House, tore down the barricades, firebombed the grounds and set fire to St.
		John's Church, forcing Donald Trump into a bunker.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		You're forgetting about...
		It was January 20th of 2017.
		I was there. You were there.
		Yeah, I got arrested. But not processed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a difference. People don't understand.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		But there were a lot of arrests that night.
		There was a lot of people arrested for violence, and then something interesting happened.
		The DOJ started turning them all back out on the street again, canceling their cases.
		The few that went to trial were either hung juries or they were acquitted by D.C. juries, of course.
		Something that... It's not happening.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hold on there a minute.
		You're saying that there were two insurrections?
		Don't tell me there was a third one on another date at some point three years ago in January, perhaps on January 6th.
		Oh, your mic is off.
		Okay, guys, welcome to the show.
		Why don't everybody introduce themselves now that we're done being morons.
unidentified		Yeah, hi. My name is Joel Berry.
unidentified		I'm the managing editor of The Babylon Bee and one of the writers for a new movie that is coming out called January 6th, The Most Darkest Day, which is a very, very serious and thorough examination of that very horrible day in history.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We have two men who know it all firsthand, in fact.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		We do. My name is Adam Johnson, or The Lectern Guy, as I'm more notably known online and in chat rooms.
		You can find me on Twitter.
		That's the only place I'm at.
		Bunch of kids, went to prison, not out of prison now, and things are going better.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know it was hard for you because originally your branding was Podium Guy, and you tried really hard to correct the record.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		It was. Well, it was Via Getty up front.
		A lot of people who just don't understand that Getty Images takes photo and via Getty means by Getty Images.
		That was incredible. It was, but these are the people of Twitter 1.0.
		We've grown since then.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		There's a real journalist here. Well, there are those who would contend with that.
		But yeah, Steve Baker, I'm with the Blaze Medium, investigative journalist for them.
		On that infamous day back in 2021, January 6th, I was actually independent at the time.
		And so because I did not submit my story to either the New Yorker or the New York Times or someone like, Well, I have to correct my own record.
		Actually, I sold my videos.
		One of the first entities that bought and licensed my videos was the New York Times for their documentary, HBO for their documentary.
		And yet, still, nevertheless, because my view of what happened that day was a little bit different than the approved narrative, they finally, it took them over three years, but they finally put me in leg chains.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was actually crazy. The video that came out of, they shackled you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, you're just some mild-mannered journalist, and they're like, let's make an example of them.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and the thing is that they didn't have to do that.
		I was in the courtroom with actual felony defendants who were allowed to wear their
		suit and tie and come in with their attorney.
		But they instructed my attorney on the morning before I had to self-present, told them that
		I had to show up in shorts, t-shirt, and flip-flops.
		Wow.
		Wow. Yeah.
		And what if you didn't? And I didn't.
		I showed up in a suit, tie.
unidentified		They wanted the photo.
unidentified		They wanted you looking up like a slub.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was exactly what they wanted.
		And I knew, of course, if they did that, that meant that that was an easier transfer into the orange jumpsuit and the chains.
		And so I asked my attorney, I said, why are they doing it?
		Because they didn't have to do this. And first of all, we're talking about I'm a misdemeanor defendant, nonviolent misdemeanor defendant.
		And They don't have to do that.
		So felony guys are just walking into the courtroom with their lawyers.
		Nonviolent misdemeanor defendant is brought in in leg chains and belly chains with my wrist cuffed to my stomach.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		I take offense to this because I actually showed up in a white v-neck shorts and flip-flops intentionally.
unidentified		You did. That's just your normal...
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm from Florida.
		That's how we dress.
		And honestly, I have no respect for that court system.
		So why would I show it any type of...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did they shackle you? Oh yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You might steal their lectern, they didn't know.
unidentified		Do you know karate? Are you a martial artist?
unidentified		Could you have done actual damage to these guys in the courtroom?
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		The violence is in my pen.
		The pen is mightier. And that is exactly, you know, because I asked my attorney, I said, why are they doing this to me?
		And he said, you know why.
		You've embarrassed them, you've been poking them in the eye for three years, and this is retribution.
		Wow, that's insane. And my attorney is a 23-year former federal prosecutor himself, so he knows the rules there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, y'all are working on a documentary to show the world the true evils of these men.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah. We didn't really necessarily set out to make something that we need to change the narrative, we need to fight back, we need to stand...
		At the Babylon Bee, all we're trying to do most of the time is look for the funny.
		We're looking for the funniest thing that we can think of.
		And I think one of the funniest things that has happened over the last three years has just been the leftist reaction to January 6th.
		It's been so melodramatic and over-the-top.
		The way they brought in an ABC TV executive to write the narrative for the January 6th hearings.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're a bunch of theater kids.
unidentified		Yeah, they're a bunch of theater kids.
		And we've done headlines for three years about this, about how they're doing the January 6th cinematic extended universe, and just kind of making fun of how it's really all just...
		I mean, it's a Hollywood thing.
		It's a narrative thing. And so we decided to just make fun of it, because it really is just by itself very funny.
		And what I have been...
		I'm surprised to hear just from people who have already screened it.
		We've sent it to a few January 6th defendants.
		They've said this is the best defense and indictment of the left in their response to January 6th that I've seen.
		And we're just making jokes.
		And I think there's something powerful.
		We made this documentary in kind of a leftist voice.
		We have this fake leftist columnist.
		His name is Garth Strudelfudd.
		And he's very angry and serious about January 6th.
		And we just kind of played it earnestly all the way through.
		And you kind of realize as you're watching it just how ridiculous this whole thing is.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		You've got some competition now.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		There's an off-Broadway play right now that's came out.
unidentified		Have you seen this? Yeah, I've seen the clips.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		What? There's an off-Broadway play right now of January 6th.
unidentified		It is. I mean, it almost makes me mad because it's almost funnier than what we made.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, no, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is this... Where's that?
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's that. That's that's it.
unidentified		All right. There we go on everyone who was there.
		You know, that's right. You know that videos and cell phones closing in.
		Wasn't that, you know, bad?
		I don't care. How can you not care?
		Because I didn't break any laws.
		Tell me the law I broke. You smashed through police barricades and you overtook the United States Capitol.
		I didn't break any laws. You carried your weapon on a federal ground.
		Okay. Okay, I carried my weapon on the federal grounds that we own, that American citizens own.
		Paying taxes gives you no right.
		You said I'd pay taxes. What?
		I have every constitutional right to carry a weapon and to take over Congress.
		Just because a law is written does not mean it's the right law.
		We went in there.
		They scurried away like rats and hid.
		That is how you do it.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		I thought this was you guys.
unidentified		Wow. Oh my god.
unidentified		Yeah, it's hard to top that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is the story of the kid who turned his dad in.
		That's what, like, his dad.
		And it's funny because, like...
		If you really want to imagine what those conversations were actually like, the dad's sitting in the chair, slumped over with his belly sticking out holding a beer, and the kid's like, did I read the cap?
unidentified		And he's like, oh, yeah. And he's like, and that's it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's probably all that happened. Yeah, yeah.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		That was the first trial.
		Guy Ruffet was the actual real name of the character that was arrested and went to trial.
		And he did. He carried a firearm illegally into the district.
		There were a lot of people that carried firearms.
		It was winter. It was cold.
		There was a lot of places to hold and keep a gun concealed.
		So there was a lot more of that going on there that day than we would want to even admit.
		But the most important thing that everyone has to understand is that not a single person in the crowd used those weapons against law enforcement.
		The only shot that day was fired by a cop.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think everyone agrees it's a bad day.
		But it's kind of funny how they've turned it into the apocalypse.
		And that's why I opened the show by talking about May 29th, 2020.
		Because at the very least, you could make the argument, by all means, say they're comparable.
		I don't care. The president was forced into an emergency bunker.
		And actually I would say it's not even fair to call it comparable because the far left injured over a hundred officers, set fire to St.
		John's Church. You know what?
		And I'm gonna pull this video up.
		And they firebombed the White House grounds, tearing down the barricades.
		Nothing. The photos of that day are insane of the smoke rising up from the streets of DC from the helicopter shots.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		It's insane. It might also be pertinent to say that the people that day, all of them were kind of in accord.
		We're all going to act stupid and a fool and we're all here to do violent things.
		The majority of people on January 6th were not there to do violent things.
		They were not acting violently. They were walking around.
		We've seen the tour videos. These are two different crowds completely.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		They're completely different and the timing is what, again, because the media won't cover this accurately, they don't understand that those violent provocateurs, those people that had intention of stirring something up that day, they were already there at the Capitol long before Trump ever finished his speech.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, because that whole thing erupted 20, 25 minutes before Trump ever left the stage, and they were already breaching barricades and attacking- They had already murdered AOC. Take a look at this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is a video, and this is the May 29th insurrection.
		This is a historic presidential church across the street from the White House.
		This video went viral. I shouldn't make it bigger, actually.
		And you can see that they broke into St.
		John's Church, and they set a massive fire.
		All the while, they were attacking police officers, setting fire in the street, at the White House.
		They were firebombing the White House grounds, and I think the estimates are, they say, somewhere between, I don't know, 140 officers were injured that day.
		You know, I actually blame Republicans, because they did not treat this with the severity that they should have.
		Yes. And following this event, they should have had committee hearings.
		They should have said, how was the White House assaulted by these extremists?
		How was it that Donald Trump was forced into a bunker?
		But they did nothing. And so when Donald Trump, after they clear the riot, the insurrection out, Trump takes a photo with the Bible at St.
		John's Church. They nearly burned it down.
		Fortunately, firefighters were able to put the fire out.
		Then they said, Trump attacked peaceful protesters for a photo op.
unidentified		Yeah, the way they turn that narrative around.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hey everybody, Tim Pool here.
		Join me and my roundtable of guests on Timcast IRL as we break down the biggest stories in
		culture, news, and politics every day.
		We got guests from all walks of life offering fresh perspectives on the latest issues and
		breaking news.
		Whether you want in-depth analysis or lively discussions, we've got you covered.
		Tune in, subscribe, and rate on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your shows.
		Stay informed, stay engaged.
unidentified		See you there.
		That was insane.
		And yeah, I agree with you about the Republicans and their failure to address this.
		It's almost like leftist violence has become so ubiquitous, we're desensitized to it.
		We've kind of taken it for granted at this point that that's their MO. That's the way leftists get their stuff done, is through political violence.
		Whereas the crowd on January 6th, we're talking about The most law-abiding, peaceful people in the nation.
		I mean, these are people who own and build businesses, who have families, who have never done anything crazy like this.
		They're not agitators. The fact that even some of them were driven to this point, what the narrative should be is what pushed these normal people over the edge.
		What were they mad about?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Can I just... I wanna ask something.
		Are you guys familiar with Broadway?
		Plays or anything like that? Are you theater?
		I know of it. I just couldn't help but notice that on this promo that MSNBC has for the off-Broadway play, it says, conceived and directed by Steven Sachs.
		And I'm like, is it normal for people to plaster their name in Broadway?
		Because maybe it is, and I just don't know.
		You think it is? Because I just kind of feel like it's funny.
		It just says a lot about a person who's like, I made this.
unidentified		It's me. I wouldn't be putting my name on this.
		Yeah, it's fine. Well, they're making a movie, too.
		Aaron Sorkin is scripting a movie about January 6th, which is hilarious to me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The West Wing guy. What was that show, Newsroom or whatever?
unidentified		Yeah, Newsroom with Jeff Daniels.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and having worked in newsrooms, I just, I cannot, that show is so absolutely awful.
unidentified		Just so melodramatic.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it's just, oh my god, the garbage that Sorkin makes where it's like, you really think people, this is what people think of these jobs now because of these shows.
		And I'm like, newsrooms are nothing like this.
		It's the stupidest thing ever.
unidentified		Lionizing these journalists as if they're like these, you know, they deeply care about the truth and what they're saying and they're just hacks.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I had a...
		So, Newsroom dealt with a lot of big stories, but I can give you one really simple example of how these newsrooms operate, and it's not as important of a story, but it was when the movie Ghost in the Shell came out, and Scarlett Johansson was playing this character.
		She's white. And they said, the character, who's the Major, that's the character's name, the character has a real name, but they call her Major, is Japanese.
		And so, well, you know, we've got a problem here.
		Whitewashing. And I'm actually a fan of Ghost in the Shell.
		And so during the editorial meeting, these young whippersnapper millennials are like, we actually have a story here because Scarlett Johansson is white and it's an anime where the character is supposed to be Japanese.
		And so this is like whitewashing.
		And then on the call I went, Actually like a big premise of Ghost in the Shell is that the mind transcends these things and actually the major is in a prosthetic body.
		So the idea of the show itself is that what makes you you could be transferred to another body.
		So a lot of fans are actually praising that you have the story being a Japanese girl is nearly killed and they transfer her consciousness through cyberized nanites into a prosthetic body entirely.
unidentified		It jives with the themes perfectly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah. And I was like, fans are actually praising this, saying this is an interesting way to spin it with a movie star.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then the editorial team just went, yeah, but we think white people, you know, so we're going to run the angle there.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		And I was like, but white people are bad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But white people are bad, and we want the clicks, and we want to accuse people of racism, so we're just going to say it anyway.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		And I'm like, okay. I think it's ridiculous because how many TV shows and movies do they cast people who are not gay as gay characters?
		Nick Offerman in The Last of Us.
		You couldn't find a single gay guy in Hollywood to play that role?
		You've got to take Ron Swanson from me?
		I was upset about that. I was on purpose.
unidentified		They do that. They did that with Captain America.
		That any kind of masculine, you know, traditionally masculine cis character eventually is going to have to pay his penance by playing a gay guy.
		Cis? Cis, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What is that? That sounds like a slur to me.
unidentified		Yeah, Elon Musk has categorized it as a slur.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you'll get flagged.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Everyone says Heath Ledger off to himself because of, you know, playing the Joker.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		It was Brokeback Mountain. Who's gonna play you in the January 6th movie?
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Oh man, obviously someone who looks very much like me.
		I'm thinking Ryan Gosling.
		Ryan Reynolds or something, we'll see.
unidentified		That's a good point. You'll probably be cast as...
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		John Krasinski played me on Saturday Night Live.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		That's fantastic. Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wait, I want to find that.
unidentified		Oh, that's awesome. That's great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Crazy stuff. Did they call him a lectern or podium?
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Like, how did they say it? There were families sitting around a table game night or something or a date night at someone's home, and the feds break in and they start arresting one person at a time because they were all at the Capitol.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		And Krasinski picks up a lectern from behind the couch and walks out with it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hang on a second. Okay, wait, is this it?
unidentified		I think that is it, yeah. I think you know someone and then this happens.
		I know. Well, let's start the game, shall we?
		Yeah. Oh, well, I bet that's the pizza.
		All right, but hop to it, Angela, because we've got a lot of pioneering to get through.
		Okay, quit reminding us.
		Angela Barnes, you're under arrest.
		Okay, I know that. Can we talk about how SNL sucks so bad?
		It's just so hard to watch.
		What? Wow, thank you for telling me the joke.
		It's so cringy.
		Okay. Now, Uncle Jim says don't tread on dis.
		Wow. Is anyone freaked out that two of our friends just got arrested?
		Oh, no. Not you, too.
		Dude, you know me better than that, okay?
		It's just the pizza guy.
		Or is it? Damn it.
		Are you Keith Reynolds?
		Yes, or Q Daddy on Facebook Marketplace.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ah, so we didn't get to see him carry the lectern, but...
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man. I don't...
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		It's in the sketch. Do you have a passport?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, we don't care about whatever that is.
		Yeah. Oh, there he is.
		I mean, I think that was the right choice for actor for you.
		I think so as well. Yeah, your imposing stature matches that of Krasinski.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		It looks like one you made.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		It does look like one that I've made.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Do you have to pay Getty when you use your own photo?
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		No. No.
		I know if I want to use it for things I have to pay for some type of rights to use it.
		Yeah. And I think it's like five grand for up to a million different sales or uses of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just fair use it. All you gotta do is put devil horns on yourself and now it's transformative.
unidentified		Yeah. Just use our Babylon Bee version.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, can I make myself taller?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Will that also? So for those that missed this, there's a big part of the story that on...
		Let me see if...
		When you look at photographs in newspapers, Getty Images is a large image repository that news organizations will license.
		So when they're using a photo on their website or newspaper, They have to include Via Getty, meaning it came from Getty Images.
		What happened? Some journalists saw it say Via Getty and they assumed your name was Via Getty?
		Yes. Because these people are not very smart.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		This is Twitter 1.0. These are the people who used to rule the world.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wow. Oh, it was a trending thing, wasn't it?
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		It was, actually. They were like, who names their kid via Getty?
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Like, no one. No one that's...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wow. You know what it is, though?
		I saw this post from JD Vance, and he had said something like...
		He's like, my two boys eat like 14 eggs a day.
		So, you know, I gotta, you know, something, something.
		And some journalist, was it Stephanie Rule or whatever?
		I don't know her name. She was just like 14 eggs a day between two people.
		That's like 90 eggs a week.
		Do you really think people believe this?
		And J.D. Vance was like, I once said I could sleep all day, and they fact-checked me saying I sleep only eight hours.
		Like, these people cannot understand this.
		Look, I know the NPC meme, it's meant to be a joke, but I genuinely wonder if these people have some kind of limited early-stage AI for brains.
		It's like, do you not understand abstracts?
		They see a Via Gedeon image and they're like, his name is Via Gedeon.
		It's like, did any of you think?
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		That study did come out where people, there are real NPCs, they do not have an internal monologue.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They don't. Well, it's true, but I've met people who are based who say they don't.
		And I've talked to people and asked them, like, you know, you have no inner monologue?
		And they're like, I don't know what that means.
		I'm like, you don't think words?
		You don't, like, think in chains of thoughts of consciousness and language?
		And they're like, I see pictures and, like, images?
		And I was like, okay, well, they weren't woke, and they seem to be answering my questions, so...
		I don't want to immediately just assume that anybody who can't formulate, you know, have an inner monologue is incapable of processes.
unidentified		You know, I don't know. I think NPCs are more like, there are people who are more communal in nature, like they like to be a part of something.
		You know, you saw it with the masking.
		People were excited to mask up because they thought, like, I'm a part of something bigger than myself.
		And that's like, people who are religious, people who believe in God are kind of more immune to that because we already have something that's actually meaningful that's bigger than ourselves.
		Those who don't are kind of looking for that.
		And so there's that sense to where the NPCs that go along with the crowd, you're kind of finding meaning in something bigger than yourself.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		But it's the same mindset.
		It's the same NPC mindset of these mainstream journalists that are still on the J6 beat, that are still writing stories about it, still covering the trials.
		And they can't seem to find their way to realize that 99.9998% of the people that were there that day, A, weren't insurrectionists, weren't there for any other issue.
		There were only, by the Department of Justice's own numbers, about 225 people that did violence.
		Now, they've charged more people with that because, you know, you get them for aiding and abetting or they were near it or they, you know, they touched the sign that was being passed over their head rather than...
		You know, it's just a normal response that you do.
		Something's coming over your head, you reach up.
		That person got charged with a felony.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Or someone's pushing you from behind, your hands go up to not fall over.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think we all know the atrocities committed by lectern man over here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But what were you accused of doing?
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		I have been accused of glorified trespassing.
		That's the first one right there.
		Also, abusive language, abusive behavior, because before and after the event, when I was outside of the restricted areas, I said some things I didn't like.
		Like, for instance, in my hotel room that night afterwards in Virginia, I called Nancy Pelosi a bitch.
unidentified		Yeah. Lock them up.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		It's in my charging document.
		Something I said in my hotel room on a podcast that night with another journalist.
		We're watching television.
		So I get back.
		We pour, you know, we literally pour an adult beverage.
		We've got the camera rolling.
		It's going live to YouTube.
		And I'm joking about what we're seeing on the television, which was allegedly somebody had stolen Pelosi's laptop.
		So I said these words, and it's in my charging documents.
		God, I wish I'd taken that laptop.
		Can you imagine what I would have learned about the government?
		I'm an investigative journalist.
		I say that.
		They use those words against me that I wish I had stolen Pelosi's.
		Pelosi's laptop. Wow.
		And then I tell the story about when I went down the hallway into her office suite.
		So as I turned into the...
		And I've got my camera rolling the whole time.
		So I go into the office suite.
		And as soon as I see...
		And my camera frames up on actual damage in her office.
		Tables flipped over. Bookshelves are rifled.
		Stuff's all over the floor. In my head, I went, I got to get the heck out of Dodge.
		Because this is the first time I'd seen damage inside the Capitol.
		I don't need to be here. So I actually saved that, that I said the word.
		Unfortunately, I saw damage in Pelosi's office.
		The word unfortunately. But I followed it up with, but it couldn't have happened to a more deserving bitch.
		Yeah. And that ends up in my charging document.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I suppose they put that towards intent or something or motive.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's correct. That is exactly what they're trying to frame, what your intentions are, your mental mindset of the day.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		It's a thought crime.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There was another—I believe this was part of your story—there was another journalist who had been basically in the same areas as you, was walking around with you, but his framing of everything was insurrection, bad, bad, evil men, and so no charges for him.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. Actually, Luke Mogelson, who submitted his story to The New Yorker, famously captured the cell phone camera video of the QAnon shaman.
		Praying in the Senate and doing all the things he did in the Senate chamber.
		Luke captured that, wrote the story, submitted it to The New Yorker, and the title of his story was Among the Insurrectionists.
		Well, that was his get-out-of-jail-free card right there.
		But he actually went through a broken window before I did.
		Wow. Then you can see, because I had access to all the Capitol CCTV, so I didn't have to wait on discovery from the government to get all the video of me in the Capitol.
		I already had it. And not only that, but even though it's marked sensitive or highly sensitive, which would mean I can't release it unless it's used in a trial, I had received it directly from Speaker Johnson.
		So I was able to release the entire 37 minutes of me inside the Capitol.
		And it shows me behaving better than most of the journalists that were there that day.
		You know, I wasn't parading.
		I wasn't wearing any political attire, no Trump gear or anything like that.
		You see me actually getting and moving away from the crowd, videotaping above and away, and then stopping on occasion to actually take notes.
		You know, setting my backpack, my tripod down, and taking notes.
		And so all of this is...
		So what they try to do, as you said, Tim, is they try to frame the intent of my insurrectionism by words I said before and afterwards.
		That's insane. But what they're not doing is they're not going after the other—we've cataloged right now somewhere between 80 and 100 other journalists, freelancers, stringers, independents— Social media influencers, podcasters, including actual employees of major media companies who entered a restricted space.
		Just because you work for the New York Times or just because you have a badge, a press pass of any kind, that does not give you legal right to enter a restricted space unless you're given express permission to do so by law enforcement.
		So anybody, especially a journalist, Journalism 101, first year in journalism school, know you cannot enter a taped-off police area.
		Your press pass does not give you permission to do that.
		Somewhere between 80 and 100 did do that, but the only ones who have been charged so far are the ones—and there's a handful of us.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Colbert's people did that, I think.
unidentified		Yeah, with Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.
unidentified		They tried to get into Nancy Pelosi's office or something, didn't they?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, they were there after hours when it was closed or something like that and they were like walking around where they weren't supposed to be unescorted and nobody cared.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The argument they made, because Colbert actually addressed this was, we weren't there to protest, we're just walking around and it's like, okay, so get charged at trespass.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Well, is it illegal or not? Is polling a fire alarm illegal or not?
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		There should be a standard of justice across the board.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Don't you besmirch the name of Jamal Bowman.
		He thought that fire alarm opened the door.
		Isn't that what he said? He thought the fire alarm would unlock the door?
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but he knew better because he removed the two signs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		He thought that if he pulled the lever, the doors would fly open and those signs could go whipping out into the air, injuring someone.
		So he politely took them down before opening the door.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Maybe he just did a lot of escape rooms and he's like, there's a secret way to get out.
unidentified		I gotta move a couple signs around.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		No, but that was that was the the the legal if we're gonna talk about the legal side of it
		Is is that the government is deliberately ignoring a hundred other individuals?
		Allegedly press of some sort of some type That entered a restricted space so we have actually on the
		table right now I should we should probably hear within the week we have a
		motion to dismiss my case based on selective prosecution Wow
		Beautiful. Not only is it very well written, very well presented to the judge to rule upon, but even if he rules against it, which we expect him to do, it's about a 50-50 chance that because in the motion we demand that the government provide for us the discovery on that hundred journalists.
unidentified		Fantastic. And that will piss them off.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		And they will not have time to provide that discovery in the next four to five weeks before my trial.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But can the judge deny you that discovery?
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he can absolutely deny it.
		And they have given me a plea offer.
		We just got that a couple of weeks ago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Are you allowed to say what it is?
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's public.
		They have offered me the right...
		The opportunity, rather, to plea down to the glorified trespassing charge, which is entering and remaining in a restricted space, as my single and only charge.
		Now, in a plea offer, they do not tell you what your punishment will be for taking the plea.
		It's just assumed, based on the comparatives, that I'd probably get, you know, two years probation and a large fine.
unidentified		Oh, so not in prison for three months?
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Well, for instance, you get the trial punishment if you go to trial.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I mean— I took a plea deal.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		I went to prison for three months for that charge.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but I mean, how could you even compare the hardworking journalism of Steve to your atrocity of taking— You touched the sacred lectern.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You lifted a lectern up and then put it down.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		My judge was mostly pissed off that I was smiling.
		He could not wrap his head around, how are you smiling?
		And I was like, well, I just don't like the government.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is it possible that if you accept this plea agreement, the judge could say, like, you're going to say you're guilty in exchange for this plea down.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is it possible the judge just says, sure, I don't care, I'm throwing the book at you?
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, 100%. Now, the single charge, they can put me in prison for up to 12 months and a multi-thousand dollar fine.
		Now, they've increased the fines now, as you've probably been following here, is that over the last year especially, these people who have had the give, send, go accounts, and they've been raising money for not only their legal fees, but also, in many cases, just to keep their mortgage because they've lost their jobs.
		Some of these guys have been waiting, have been held in pretrial detention.
		They've raised as much as a quarter of a million dollars for their legal defense funds and paying their mortgage, that kind of thing, while dad's in prison.
		Those kinds of things. Well, now the courts are fining these people That amount of money which they raised.
		This is evil.
		So if they raised $50,000 or raised a quarter of a million dollars through their Gifts and Go, that's their fine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Are they publicly stating it's because you raised the money?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely. They're saying you raised all this money and we're taking it.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		They're showing how you benefited, essentially, from your charge or from your crime.
		So you've benefited this much from your crime, so that's what your fine is going to be.
		So that's why, even in my plea deal, we anticipate a very, very stiff penalty because they're going to argue You were an independent at the time, and since then, you've been hired by the Blaze, you've been financially remunerated for your crime, so you're fine. They're actually thinking my fine could be as high as $100,000.
		Wow. That's insane. Whereas, you know, Ray Epps got a $500 fine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		$500! I mean, all he did was tell people to go into the Capitol over and over again.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, she also had his hands on the sign that was being pushed into cops.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		To which other people got a felony for, he didn't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But was it possible that he was trying to adhere to the sign like Spider-Man to pull it away from the police?
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		It's impossible. Feds work in mysterious ways.
unidentified		Do you know what I was shocked about, though?
unidentified		To find out that there were people being sent to prison who weren't even there that day.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I mean, look at...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Enrico Tarrio. Yeah. He's not even allowed to be in the city in like 20 years.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		That's insane. 22 years he got.
		And of course, we were talking about it this morning in the lobby at the hotel, was you have a guy like Stuart Rhodes, who I'm somewhat obsessed with his story.
		Because if ever anybody was sentenced to a multi-decade sentence for a thought crime, it was Stuart Rhodes.
		Nine different FBI agents in his trial testified under cross-examination that they never were able to find either written or verbal evidence of orders for the Oath Keepers to enter the Capitol, stop the certification, attack Congress, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
		They also proved absolutely conclusively that the only thing that Stuart Rhodes was guilty of was words that he said before he got to the Capitol and words that he said after he left the Capitol.
		He never went inside the building.
		18 years. Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And Joe Biggs as well, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. He got a couple decades?
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Is that what happened? Yeah. I can't remember exactly.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Was he 20 years?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He was there. He actually, I think, you know, he was in the building more so.
		But Enrique Tarrio wasn't even in the place.
		And they said, well, he posted on Parler or something, don't leave.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. I think Biggs had additional charges that happened after January 6th.
		They tagged on. They found, I think, a grenade or something in his home in some classified documents.
		But, I mean...
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Well, Stuart Rhodes was calling for the president to invoke the Insurrection Act.
		He had written two open letters to President Trump to do that.
		And he said, if you will do that, my 35,000...
		Oath Keepers will defend the White House.
		We will come armed and we will defend the White House.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Like a well-regulated militia?
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Right. So Trump did not.
		Stuart Rhodes and the Oath Keepers did not.
		So there's no crime.
		And then, a week later, a FBI CHS is secretly taping Stuart Rhodes, who is drunk in a parking lot in Dallas outside of a restaurant, and Rhodes says these words, I wish I had taken my rifle and put a bullet through Nancy Pelosi's head.
		Now, he said that.
		That's a horrible thing to say.
		But he said, I wish I had.
		But he didn't. There's no crime in that statement whatsoever.
		But when you put those two things, you book in both of those in front of a D.C. jury...
unidentified		Your average leftist on Twitter says 10 times worse every day.
unidentified		Absolutely. Elected representatives wishing for Trump's death.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		It's almost as bad as holding up a decapitated effigy of Trump's head.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		The D.C. jury pool is 95.5% Biden voters, right?
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		That's the number. And so you put the bookend of what Stuart Rose said before and after January 6th on the screens, as they did in a multimedia psyop in that trial.
unidentified		You paint a picture of a monster.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what they did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What I love about all this, did you guys see, and you've got this experience with your film coming out, but did you see the MSNBC interview of union workers?
		And they've got a panel of these guys, and they walk up and they say, how do you feel about January 6th?
		And the guy goes, what?
		And then one guy's like, yeah, I think I remember that.
		And she's like, does this matter to you for the election?
		He's like, no. People don't know or care.
		The Democrats have turned this into an off-Broadway play.
		And most people are going to be like, huh?
unidentified		That's what was funny about the movie.
		We went to D.C., we went to other places throughout the country, and we did kind of like Man on the Street type things where we just went up to people.
		Hey, you know, where were you on January 6th?
		And people are like, same.
		Left, right, and center. Everyone's like, what?
		What's January 6th? No one cares.
		We also went around D.C. and we asked everyone where the January 6th memorial was.
		Can you point us to the January 6th memorial?
		No one could tell us.
		So we built our own in the National Mall.
		We built this little stone that says, don't forget to remember January 6th.
		And then we played music and we saluted it and stuff like that.
		But it really, I mean, no one knows, no one cares.
		This is all like a fiction that kind of just lives in the minds of these journalists and these leftists.
		And they're shocked when people don't.
		It doesn't register with people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Remember that podcast?
		I think it still exists. Mueller, she wrote.
		You know what I think this is?
		Is that when Donald Trump got elected, there was a collective brain-shattering among many Democrats and liberals who were so sure that Hillary was going to win.
		And so... These are people who are obsessed with mystery crime drama, wine mom types, and they were given that narrative.
		They were given that soap opera drama and they wanted season one, season two, season three.
		They are living in a paranoid delusional state where they want their life to be a movie.
		I'm sorry, life is substantially more boring than movies.
		That's why we go pay to see movies because they're intentionally crazier.
		So when they hear these stories, the January 6th, they're sitting there eating popcorn, be like, whoa, what happened next?
		And they're getting the, you know, the committee in DC. You know, Jamie Raskin, he's 20 minutes from here, 30 minutes from here, represents some of the people who work at this company as their rep, because we're next door to his district.
		He does this whole thing on the J6 Committee where he's like, these are people who are advocating for January 6th.
		And in it, one of the clips he plays is me reading an article at Fox News being like, Donald Trump says the protest is going to be wild on January 6th.
		I was like, wow, I think Trump might be right.
		And that's it. And he's saying that I'm advocating for something.
		And I was like, well, I read a Fox News article, dude, chill.
		This is the whole game they were playing the whole time, is to drum all this nonsense up, lie, cheat, and steal.
		Well, I ended up writing an op-ed being like, I literally just read a news article three months before January where Fox News reported Trump says the protests will be wild.
		And now they're trying to reframe the past to make it seem like there was a conspiracy.
		Well, these wine moms want their soap opera drama.
unidentified		You hit the nail on the head with wanting to be in a movie.
		There's this tendency on the left that I see it everywhere, this tendency to kind of want to mythologize our reality.
		You see it with Ukraine, you know, Russia's Darth Vader and Ukraine is Luke Skywalker.
		Voldemort. Voldemort. I mean, even Brian, who's the second Trump assassin?
		Brian something? Ryan Ruth.
		Just reading what he wrote and hearing what he said, it's like he fancies himself as being Harry Potter or Luke Skywalker.
		And when you have that delusion that you are the hero in this myth, assassinating Trump isn't a deranged act of a killer.
		You're fighting Voldemort.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're fighting Darth Vader. I mean, let's, you know, the joke we like to bring up, many people do, is what is the story of Star Wars and Luke Skywalker?
		It is a kid who lives in a desert planet, who is radicalized by an old religious man who lives in a cave, and then he gets a cargo ship with some smugglers and they blow up a military base.
		Yeah, he's like the Taliban. But that's the funny thing.
		I mean, Disney loves Star Wars and they try to capitalize on it.
		And a lot of people might be like, well, but Darth Vader was evil and all that stuff.
		And it's like, yeah, but the joke is the framing of the story can go in either direction depending on how you want to look at it.
		It blew up a military base. Darth Vader was a disabled war veteran who was commanding a military of the Republic.
		And I will stress this. Tell me when in any of the Star Wars movies you see the Emperor do something wrong.
unidentified		Yeah. Well, and that's a huge misunderstanding of the purpose of myth on the left, is that people like Luke Skywalker and Harry Potter, in myth, they're Christ figures.
		That's what myth is for.
		It points us to Christ.
		And when you put yourself in that place instead of what it's supposed to be portraying, it gives you license to do all kinds of horrible things.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's Satanism. And Satanism is not the worship of Satan.
		It is the belief that you are essentially the supreme entity of reality that...
		You can do what you want.
		There are rules to Satanist doctrine about, you know, don't harm others and things like this, but the core tenet is you live for yourself and for your pleasures with some restriction.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		So just hedonism. Yeah.
unidentified		Basically. And your truth is the narrative that you make.
unidentified		That's why they put so much into making these narratives, because they believe that they can speak reality into existence, you know?
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		But the dissonance over time has got to just be—I think that's probably what's melting minds.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		You start telling yourself things that are just obviously not true, and when you're presented facts, realities, you just—how do you deal with that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		These people have brain rot. Well, when Donald Trump came down that escalator, heads were exploding.
		Since then, we are now looking at nine years.
		As they say, every seven years, every cell in your body has been replaced and you are a new being, you are the ship of Theseus.
		That means there are people who are, and every cell, every fiber of their being has been built in the mythos of Hitler-Trump.
		Ooh, that's scary. How do you rewire a brain that's been completely constructed around that narrative?
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		I think outside force is working their way in.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		How many times do you have to go shopping before you figure out things aren't better?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I am so, so pissed off with them constantly saying the economy is good.
		Yeah. Nate Silver, I was reading the news the other day, and he's like, the economy is good, but it's not great.
		And I'm just like, have you been to the grocery store lately?
		I was just talking to Allison earlier, and I was mentioning that we got three bags of groceries.
		It was one blueberry, one blackberry, two things of raspberries, two coconut milks.
		I don't even know what we got, some toaster strudels, and it was $130.
		And I was looking at the shopping cart and I was like, did we get meat?
		No. We got no meat.
		It was just, I was like, I need to pick up some coconut milk for my protein shakes.
		$130. And they keep telling me everything's fine.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Go back to sleep, America. I told you this last time, my monthly grocery bill is $3,000.
		I have five kids.
		I have five kids, four teenagers.
unidentified		Is that what mine is, yeah. So it's like $3,000 a month.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		It's almost twice my mortgage.
unidentified		I think it's almost tripled in the last...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Six years. Have you considered getting chickens?
unidentified		We do have chickens.
		There we go! We have 18 chickens.
		Yes! So are they laying every day?
		Yeah, some of them are kind of falling off.
		We need to get some more, but we're getting a good dozen eggs a day.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you a trick. You put a rooster in there, and they will make more of themselves.
unidentified		Yeah, see, we're trying to get ready for Asheville, North Carolina to happen in Ohio, so we have food.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Everybody knows I'm a big chicken fan because chickens are a birthright and a human tradition, and they make food for you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they are food themselves.
unidentified		My wife, her family's immigrants from Germany.
unidentified		Their last name means chicken keeper in German, so it's like in her blood.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That is the best last name ever.
		Chicken keeper. There's a really funny meme where a guy's talking about, it's a 4chan post and he's just like, bored and depressed, work sucks, one day neighbor gets chickens, I wake up to hearing clucking and funny sounds and I look out the window and I watch them and I just start laughing.
		Then all of a sudden I feel better and now I look forward to wake up in the morning and watching them do their chicken thing.
		We're out here in the country so people just let their chickens out.
		They've got these automatic doors on the chicken coops that when the sun comes up, it opens.
		And you'll walk down the street and there's just chickens crossing the road and they just do whatever they want.
unidentified		You have problems with predators? Because we have owls and chicken hawks and foxes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, but people out here don't care, I guess.
unidentified		Just replace them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Get a good rooster or something. Anyway, back to real news.
		Self-sufficiency is important right now because things are being run into the ground, costs are through the roof, and the chicken joke, though it is only half-joking, is more about what are you doing to be self-sufficient as the machine in the corporate press.
		You know, I view it as some kind of like...
		Lich King. It is an undead monster of an economy trying to tell you that the system is fine and to bow before it.
		And these people that follow it are zombified.
		It's actually quite creepy.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Look at the response, too, from FEMA after this hurricane.
		You want to tell me the government's in a good place right now?
		We can't even help our own citizens.
		FEMA is basically bankrupt, and hurricane season goes through November 30th.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they said they have no more money for hurricanes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, someone had to pay all those illegal immigrants to settle in this country.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		You can't look at these things.
		So the idea is that the hurricane went through a bunch of rural counties, a bunch of red counties, but is it Asheville that really got demolished?
		That's a blue county.
		How are those people who are going to respond to this?
		Because are they going to look at the governments being around the way it is and say, you know what?
		I want more of this. I just lost everything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for the 750. Trump should get up at this rally tomorrow and he should say, one of the first things I will do is an executive order to reallocate funding from foreign intervention and war towards the victims of Hurricane Colleen and make sure that you get what you need.
		Talk to me. He's going to win over those counties instantly.
		And their friends and their families. Easy win.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		There's nothing going to happen before the election, though, because there's 25 affected counties in western North Carolina.
		Only two of those are blue counties.
		And that's the problem.
unidentified		How are they going to vote?
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		I should have wrote this for the Bee, but I tweeted out the other day that in fact Democrats should not be opposed to us going out in North Carolina and handing out and harvesting ballots to all these people disaffected or, as I said, disenfranchised by a climate change event.
		So they shouldn't have any objections to that.
		But that's exactly the problem.
		And I will tell you, because I'm technically a resident of North Carolina, although I'm never there.
		I spend 90% of my life in hotel rooms elsewhere.
		But the reality is that I'm very close to what's going on.
		I will be relocating there next week.
		As a matter of fact, I'll basically be moving into someplace in Western North Carolina to
		cover what the government is and isn't doing there.
		But one of the things that I'm in touch with right now are the political operatives, GOP
		particularly, and what they're watching, what they're doing, and they are on it.
		They're well aware that Governor Cooper and the Biden administration, Harris campaign
		in particular, are very, very much not wanting any relief right now to those counties because
		relief means those people will get access to services, access to services means they'll
		get their hands on ballots, and we're talking about...
unidentified		That sounds like an attack on democracy.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		All they need is, you know, 15,000, 20,000 vote differential, and they win North Carolina, and it's over.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. Buttigieg came out and said, stop flying drones.
		People are trying to rescue people.
		Neighbors are trying to rescue neighbors.
unidentified		That's what's so wicked about this, the fact that they, you know, neighbors helping neighbors, people helping people.
		You know, whenever these disasters strike, we always see kind of this swell of humanity, and you kind of, you know, partisan bonds are broken, and it's always kind of inspiring.
		You know, we've seen it in past hurricanes, just the idea that the government is going to come in and say, no, you're not going to help your neighbor.
		Your only bond should be with the government.
		It's so demonic and backwards that they would do this to people.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		You know, the first boots on the ground up there were former Special Forces operatives providing relief.
		They're bringing in their helicopters.
		Like Oath Keepers. Well, that's what the Oath Keepers were known for.
		For years, were doing disaster relief operations.
		And that's what they were known for.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		A good buddy of mine, Mr.
		Gunsinger, his name is Mike, a big gun tuber.
		This guy was, I think, in the Navy 20 years, Special Forces, but he's actually up there bringing in supplies.
		These are the heart of our communities.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so this just happened. So FEMA finally gets there, you know, yesterday or the day before, and they've got their truck.
		It's not a truck full of supplies.
		It's their satellite vehicle with all their forms so that they can start signing people up for assistance and getting their $750.
		So they pull into this big parking lot up there in Asheville where the special forces have for a week already been delivering needed medicines, insulin, things like that, actual providing life-saving help to people.
		Now, they've been doing this for a week.
		FEMA representative walks over to the tent and says, what are you guys doing?
		They said, well, we've got medicines, insulin we're providing.
		And they said, do you have a permit for that?
		And they said, what do you mean a permit?
		They said, well, you can't do this if you don't have a permit.
		And you know what the special ops guys did?
unidentified		They said, screw you. You, F off, go back to your truck.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		We're not leaving, and you're not making us leave.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		The Appalachian people, they beat to a different drum.
		If FEMA continues to be FEMA, and the government, they're going to find out why the Appalachian people are the Appalachian people.
		I heard also that they're pulling out survivors, wreckage, homeless people, and they're trying to put them up in hotels.
		FEMA has come in and booked entire hotels, so government employees are staying in places that people who just lost everything should be staying.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just hope people vote against this.
		I hope they see what's going on.
		Trump was down there immediately.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Kamala waited a week. Well, she got there quicker than the border, so...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think the big story is, you know, we talked about this last night on IRL that $640 million spent on rehousing and settling illegal immigrants from FEMA. So now their budget is strapped and they won't have any money for another hurricane.
		And they're only giving $750 anyway.
		Now, the argument the fact you guys make is that's always been the cap.
		It's not Kamala's fault.
		And it's like... That's not true.
		You're not going to make... But regardless, you're not going to give hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine and then say, well, we aren't able to help Americans that are suffering for whatever reason it is.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Hurricane Katrina, almost 20 years ago, the average given out in checks for FEMA was almost $2,000.
		They also flew people out to Texas and a few other states and housed them there as well.
		So $2,000 20 years ago is about $3,700 now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep. Well, you know, the one thing I can say is FEMA giving half a billion dollars to illegal immigrants means that the illegal immigrant border crisis is a federal emergency.
		And maybe that's the narrative we can go for now with there is a border crisis.
		The federal government's basically declared the illegal immigration to this country a federal emergency warranting half a billion dollars in funding.
unidentified		Yeah, no kidding.
		Going back to this idea of an attack on democracy on January 6th, the idea that a few hundred people walking around the Capitol was the greatest, gravest attack on democracy that our country has ever seen while they're ushering in illegals by the millions is just insane.
		And the fact that people can still live in that narrative and believe it And the response from Republicans has been disgraceful, too.
		The fact that Marjorie Taylor Greene and my pillow guy, Mike Lindell, are the only people out there speaking for these detained political prisoners, and the rest of the respectable Republican class, they're like, I don't want to touch that.
		That's a little controversial. I don't want to look like I'm against law enforcement, or I'm standing up for dangerous insurrectionists.
		It's really, I think, kind of the normie Republican set needs to wake up to the kind of government we're dealing with here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It says a lot when you have to rely on a pillow salesman for strength and leadership.
		Yeah. And with all due respect to Mike Lindell, he sacrificed so much.
		And to this day, they're having a hard go of it.
		I mean, their latest commercial is talking about how another big box retailer has just canceled their products.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yep. Actually, I'm going to disagree.
		I think that being in politics, you're supposed to be a public servant.
		They should be people selling pillows, selling cars, just doing regular jobs.
		Those should be our politicians, people who are actually a part of us and live our lives.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I agree. I agree.
		And that's kind of the point.
		It's... We look to our politicians, but the politicians we elect are people who are like, look, I'm on the phone to raise money, not to serve the American people.
		And it is the pillow salesman who says, I will put everything I have on the line to serve the American people.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		I will tell you a story.
		So, my wife is a part of a group called PMORs.
		It is physicians, moms on the right.
		And they got together.
		They went to an event to go see a congressperson.
		I won't say who it is. And they flew out there, went to this event, this gala, and they had a nice sit-down chat with them.
		And he said, listen, I mean, I would love to do this for you, but your money would have been better spent if you just donated to my campaign.
		You actually might have gotten something done.
		Wow. Wow. That is their response.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep. They spend all the time on the phone fundraising.
		Marjorie Taylor Greene came on IRO and told us this.
		I didn't know this. That when they're supposed to be voting on bills, there's like four Democrats, four Republicans, and there's some parliamentarian who's not the speaker saying, we got a bill here.
		And they go, eh, eh.
		We'll say it's passed.
		Bang. And so Marjorie Thomas Massey and others started going and demanding floor votes on all of these bills.
		and this is why they hate her and the other Freedom Caucus members
		because they're on the phone in their office fundraising and now they're being
		called to Congress to vote and they normally don't have to do it because
		they are lazy and they don't want to.
		Well, you know, I take that back. Lazy is the wrong word for someone who grinds
		their hands to the bone fundraising.
		They are more so less inclined to do public service and just try and keep the position in office.
		For what reason, I have no idea.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		You said something a moment ago about law enforcement, the MAGA are supposed to be supporters of law enforcement, and we have, through the blaze, we have shown that we have some federal officers who have perjured themselves in these January 6th trials.
		Capitol Police. Yeah, Capitol Police officers, including the guy that was on January 6th, the head of Nancy Pelosi's dignitary protection detail.
		And so this is irrefutable.
		I mean, we have them dead to rights. I mean, we have the video evidence.
		We have everything. Well, just yesterday when we released another one of our videos in this series about the Capitol Police, it's called A Day in the Life of Harry Dunn, Part One.
		And when we released that yesterday, one of the first things that you start seeing up in our Twitter threads is that, you know, I thought MAGA was supposed to love cops.
		You know, you guys hate cops. And I'm like, you realize that it's the good guys at the Capitol Police who are working with us on this.
		And I can assure you right now, there's 2,000 uniformed Capitol Police that are cheering this video because those guys who perjured themselves in trials made them look bad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, not to mention, when people were entering the Capitol on January 6th, police officers were taking selfies with them and shaking their hands.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's one guy, you probably know his name, he's on camera speaking with the officers, asking them what they can do to assist the officers with getting people out, and then try getting people to leave, and I think they put him in prison, didn't they?
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that particular incident, but there are many incidents where that took place.
		And in fact, you know, let's go ahead and just dispel one rumor, and I know I get in trouble every time I do this.
		No Capitol Police officer actually opened the outside doors for protesters.
		That did not happen. I've been in the CCTV viewing room more than any other journalist on the planet.
		I have seen and I've watched the actual...
		Breaching of every door.
		It was protesters that breached every single door.
		There were seven of them that they breached.
		Having said that, after they were breached and the numbers were overwhelming, some of the Capitol Police did hold the doors open.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And there was the officer who said, I don't agree with it, but I respect it.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		That's correct. Or they said, I don't agree with what's going on right now, but you guys, you know, don't, you know, tear the place up.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		You know, there was these kinds of conversation, and the conversation like the one that you just mentioned there, of what can we do for you?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There is an interior door that's on camera being held open by an officer, and protesters come in, I think, in front of the officer or something like that.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Yep, yep. And there's several examples of that.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, they opened the doors for Chansley into the Senate.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They guided him to the Senate, said, let us help you get there.
		And he walks by. That was the funniest video.
		He's got like three cops around him.
		They walk past like seven cops, and they go to the door, and they open it, and they say, here you are, sir.
		And he's like, thank you. I've got Karen Spear, you know.
unidentified		My favorite was when the police officer comes in and he's like, hey guys, this is the sacredest place.
		Can we file out of here?
		And they're like, okay, brother, no problem.
		It was all very civil.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		And a guy with a rubber bullet stuck in his cheek.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		You need to think of, no, I'm good. So you can't pray in the Senate chamber, but you can definitely film yourself.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Whoa! Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was an insurrection right there.
		No kidding. So for those that don't know, he got fired for this, but who was he working for?
		The staffer? He was working for a Democrat in the Senate, I think, and he filmed himself.
		And the rumor is, we've seen one video go viral where...
		These two male staffers are basically insulting baby Jesus in this, you know, and defiling the seat of our government.
		And the rumor is he's done it more than once.
		They had been doing this frequently and only one of them got posted.
unidentified		I'll bet it happens all the time.
unidentified		God knows what happens in the Capitol building.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		I can't even begin to relay the stories.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Madison Cawthorn tried warning us.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right. Remember this.
unidentified		That we're aware of. Crack orgies. Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But that's, you know, that's...
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		You think they're more or less wild than a Diddy party?
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		More wild. More wild, you think?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, when I heard that he had a thousand bottles of baby oil, I was like, he's got nothing in Congress.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		That's like a Tuesday. Well, you know, and that was, that's the rumored, and I guess we can throw rumors out here on this show maybe, but...
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		I am pregnant, yes.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		You know, Kamala Harris was not where she was supposed to be on January 6th either.
		We all know about that, right?
		She was actually at the DNC. She was scheduled two days in advance.
		This is in the Secret Service logging, you know, their book records, is that it was a known fact that she was going to be at the DNC headquarters from 1130 to 330.
		Now, the debate and the vote at the Capitol on her coronation as vice president is taking place.
		She's a sitting voting senator.
		She is the VP-elect, and she has chosen not to be where the vote is taking place.
		Now, why is that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, I heard a crazy story just when I was at Rescue the Republic.
		I spoke with a Capitol Police officer I'm not sure if he was a former, but there's another officer who—and you probably know this.
		You probably know the story. He took it upon himself to evacuate members of Congress, and then he got in trouble because they did not want him to do that.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		I was on the phone with him last night.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wow. So can you break down the story for us?
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's Lieutenant Tarek Johnson.
		He was calling in for, he actually, start from the beginning here, his job that day, he was in charge of interior security of the entire Capitol building.
		That was his job as the lieutenant inside.
		You can hear his voice on the RadioComms, Capital Police RadioComms, calling in for assistance early on in the battle.
		He's trying to set up decontamination tents for the officers that are getting hit with bear spray.
		He's calling for water to be brought in to assist the officers in that regard.
		He then calls in what they call the M4 units, the guys that are actually carrying the long rifles, the automatic weapons, because he says we don't want the...
		He actually says these words.
		He says, we're not going to use deadly force.
		We need the M4 units to come in because we can't risk them being taken by protesters, the automatic rifles.
		So you see all the M4 units start coming in right about 1 o'clock, or right about 2 o'clock.
		And so once it was absolutely apparent that they were going to be breached, he started calling in to headquarters, to the command center, to the officers, or the chiefs, the assistant chiefs in control up there.
		We need help. What do we do?
		I need directions. I need to know.
		And there's silence.
		Total silence coming from the command center.
		No direction, no orders whatsoever.
		So he literally says on the radio, he says, I'll take the 550 and the 534.
		Those are like two documents, disciplinary documents.
		He said, I'll take both disciplinary actions, but I am evacuating the Senate now.
		You can hear him.
		We have a clear path out. Boom.
		And he does it. He takes it upon himself.
		He evacuates the Senate.
		Eight minutes later, he runs down.
		Once he's verified, and you can hear it all on the radio, once it's verified that everybody's out of the Senate and he's safe, he runs to the House and starts the evacuation of the House.
		So he has embarrassed command now because he's taken the lead and probably done something they didn't anticipate, something that was not supposed to happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The implication, I suppose, is they wanted members of Congress in those buildings to be confronted by, at the very least, the riders on that day.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what they wanted.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The photos of members of the Senate being shoved or yelled at, whatever it may have turned into.
		Yeah. And so I wonder, you know, someone asked me, because we were talking at the Republic event backstage, well...
		Why would they discipline him?
		Why wouldn't they just tell him no?
		Because they don't want to be on the record and recording saying stand down.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		I have his entire OPR. That's the disciplinary report.
		And I acquired that actually before I ever met him.
		And I've known him for almost two years now.
		Well, almost exactly two years now.
		And again, his name is former Lieutenant Tarek Johnson.
		The one thing that he did that he became famous for was there was 16 officers calling in a distress call over the radio.
		It's all there. I have the radio comms.
		And when they called in the distress call, he got on there and said, okay, we need, because they knew that FBI and ATF SWAT teams were in the building.
		And we need, and he calls for FBI, ATF to come over there and help get those guys out.
		No response. He even tells them exactly where he is outside waiting for them, for the SWAT teams to come.
		They don't respond. You can hear him on the radio say, basically, fuck it.
		I'll do it. He's the guy that took the MAGA hat.
		Wow. Actually, a protester put the MAGA hat on.
		He didn't ask for one. Protester put the MAGA hat on him.
		He saw it and realized, this is my pass through the crowd.
		This is the Passover symbol for me to get through the crowd.
		So he is looking for now, again, it's on the radio comms, he's looking for a bullhorn.
		I need a bullhorn. Somebody give me a bullhorn.
		He's calling on the radio. I need a cop to deliver me a bullhorn to such and such place.
		He couldn't get it. He says it again.
		Fuck it. I'll get one. And he goes and finds one himself from a protester.
		So then, as he's trying to get help, Two guys standing next to him said, what do you need?
		You know, officer, what do you need?
		I'm former law enforcement myself.
		And shows him his badge.
		He's retired, you know, so they carry those cards and everything.
		And he says, yeah, I've got 16 distressed officers in.
		I need to go get them out. And they go, oh, we're Oath Keepers.
		We'll help you. So one of them, 20 years law enforcement, former military as well, gets in front.
		He takes the bullhorn.
		He puts Tarek Johnson, Lieutenant Johnson in the middle.
		The other Oath Keeper gets behind him.
		They go up the stairs through the crowd announcing to the crowd Clear the way.
		Clear the way. We're Oath Keepers.
		We're here to rescue somebody.
		The crowd goes, oh, Oath Keepers.
		They're the good guys. They're known as the good guys.
		They do disaster relief projects.
		They do security all over the country at riots all over the country.
		They protect minority businesses in Louisville, in Minneapolis, in Ferguson.
		This is what the Oath Keepers do.
		They don't attack cops.
		And so they go up the stairs.
		They lead the 16 officers out.
		One lady hugs every one of them as they come out.
		People are high-fiving the officers as they bring them down the steps, led by a Capitol Police officer with a MAGA hat on.
		So he gets suspended three days later.
		Loses his job. He is placed on mandatory...
		Now, you can't believe that they can do this.
		They put him on home detention.
		What? For 17 months, he could not leave his house during workout.
		So his job...
		Because if you're a job or your shift is a 7 to 3 or 7 to 4 shift...
		He was in home confinement during his job hours for 17 months.
		Did he quit? They were fighting.
		I mean, obviously they were fighting the process.
		And what ended up happening is when they did the disciplinary review on him, All of the disciplinary action is from 3 o'clock till he rescues.
		So they actually disciplined him for rescuing those officers.
		They claimed that he endangered them.
		But everything that he did heroically from 1 o'clock to 3 o'clock, not a word of it is in the disciplinary report because that's where he embarrassed them and that's where he...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's fairly obvious that Trump called for National Guard.
		They'd deny it. There are videos where people at the Capitol are saying to the police, stop this.
		Why aren't you stopping this? And the cops are just standing there.
		And so I think it's fairly obvious the simple solution is they didn't want an evacuation.
unidentified		They wanted a Reichstag fire.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, I don't want to go as far as to say that they wanted anyone to get hurt, but they wanted that photo of a member of Congress terrified as a guy screaming at them.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		I actually believe they did.
		They wanted them hurt? I believe that they anticipated that some of these MAGA yahoos were going to use their weapons that day.
		All they needed was a couple of rounds fired at a couple of U.S. Capitol Police officers, possibly seriously injured or killed, and we would have lost the Second Amendment as a result.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine the Patriot coming out of that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right. But considering none of these guys did any of that against police officers or the staffers who were there— I don't believe that they would have gotten like members of Congress would have been injured or anything like that or harmed by the people who are writing.
		I think it would have been confrontational and raucous.
		But I but under your view of it.
		Should he, Tarek, not have evacuated members of Congress, and the assumption from the machine state was that these guys would have injured members of Congress, you would have gotten Patriot Act not times two, but times ten.
		Oh yeah, absolutely. The Capitol would be surrounded by barricades triple layer thick, and they would never remove them.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		That is what they wanted. It's why the National Guard was denied.
		And of course, we just did a story.
		We interviewed a former...
		He actually went on the record.
		I met him months ago. He finally went on the record just a couple of weeks ago.
		And this was after the new IG report came out about the National Guard.
		And what he came on the record for, Casey Wardensky, former assistant secretary of the army, appointed by Trump, 30 years in the army, teaches at West Point.
		He was also the chief economist of the Pentagon.
		So this guy knows The Pentagon.
		He's in the Pentagon that day on January 6th.
		He gets a call. He says, we need to use your telecom system because we're going to have all the generals on here because there's something going on at the Capitol.
		So he's actually on the telecom system with two three-star generals, four-star general, and the National Guard commanders.
		That was on that call where they birthed the phrase, we don't like the optics.
		And so on that call, the National Guard guys are saying, no, our guys are armed.
		They're kitted up. They're ready to go.
		We're blocks away. We can be there in 15 minutes, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
		And the Pentagon pukes, the three- and four-star generals said, no, we don't like the optics.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, it would be really funny if there, like, maybe a lot of people do believe this, but under the presumption that there was a plot that Democrats were saying, look, if these people do show up, we want them to run amok.
		It would be funny if that the whole plan was just ruined.
		And that's why the January 6th committee was absurd.
		Why the narratives don't make sense is because they have this plan.
		They're like, OK, after the MAGA people go in there and some senators and members of Congress are attacked or whatever happens, we have all these photos.
		We're gonna have these committee hearings and we go for years and we will arrest Trump and we're gonna shut it all down.
		And then you end up with this like Half riot on one side, people milling about on the other.
		They keep trying to lie and claim that cops died on that day.
		Like, they're trying really hard, but it's not true.
		They have these big hearings, and it's just like, guys, no one knows or cares.
		It was a bad riot.
		We don't want it to happen again.
		It shouldn't have happened, but...
		It's not the apocalypse.
unidentified		It's not the end of democracy. The pipe bombs seal it for me.
unidentified		The fact that two pipe bombs, fake pipe bombs, were planted by the FBI, presumably, at the DNC and RNC. It tells me that somebody had something like this in mind from the get-go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, take a look at AOC's story.
		So this is amazing because when this story broke, no one caught this.
		And I remember I was tweeting, I was DMing with a journalist on X. AOC puts out this hour-long Instagram stream where she's like, I'm in my office, and then I hear boom, boom, boom, and I go hide in the bathroom.
		Then I hear a voice, where is she?
		Where is she? And that's how she said it.
		And then she's like, I thought I was going to die or whatever.
		But it turned out to have been an officer who was evacuating her.
		The funny thing about this is, she's framing the story as, the writers have made it to my office.
		They finally got here.
unidentified		Like Gandalf, the book that he finds in Casa Dune.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The first thing that happens is...
		Everyone immediately says, what?
		AOC's not in the Capitol building.
		And the fact checkers come out and go, actually, there are tunnels that connect those buildings.
		So she did reasonably fear that the rioters in the Capitol had made it to her office.
		And then I said, I tweeted...
		I was reviewing the timeline to figure out when this story was.
		Her story took place one hour before the Capitol was breached.
		So, did she know that there was going to be a breaching of the Capitol in advance that no one else knew?
		And how did she know? No, the reality is she's making up a fake story.
		I get some journalists, I think it was from Huffington Post, being like...
		No, that's not correct.
		And then I showed the story, showed what she said, showed the timeline of when she ordered.
		The officer who knocked on her door was evacuating because of the pipe bombs.
		No one knew that the Capitol was going to be breached one hour later.
		So she made up a fake story where she was like...
		After everybody had already witnessed the Capitol being breached, she pretended like she was terrified it was happening, and people ate it up, and they bought that lie.
		Okay, guys, I'm sorry.
		I should not accuse AOC of being a liar.
		She knew that rioters were going to breach the Capitol the whole time because there was a conspiracy and they had planned for it.
		Is that the response?
unidentified		No. She's a liar. My favorite line from that live stream of hers was where she said, I knew I was in mortal danger in a general sense, but also in a very specific sense.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Has Thomas Massey told you his story about the day?
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Because he was in his office. I'm pretty sure he did.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Did we just find Kamala's speechwriter?
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		It's hilarious. A couple of the key points of Massey's story is that when they got the announcement, because it went out to all of them that they were locking the buildings down, you know, the House and Senate office buildings were going to be locked down.
		And because specifically the bombs were found in near proximity to those House buildings, And so he told his senior staff, he said, if you don't get out of here, you're gonna be locked in here for 12 hours, so we're not getting out.
		So he told his senior staff to leave, and they wouldn't leave.
		And he's like, guys, I'm telling you, you need to go now, go home.
		And his staffers are going, boss, is this a loyalty test?
		And he goes, no, it's an IQ test.
		Get the hell out of here. And then he said, of course, everybody knows that I'm the only guy here.
		He said, all my Democrat office neighbors, he said, they know that I've got guns in here.
		So he said... So they started sending their staff over and they got locked into my staff.
		And of course, you know, him being an engineer, what he did is because they didn't know if the building was going to be breached.
		They had no idea. So what he did is he took a milk crate and he taped two iPhones on each side with the cameras going out and put it outside the door so he could monitor the hallways and see who was coming in.
		I mean, he's incredible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just got a really great idea for a movie.
		J6 Zombie Apocalypse.
		And it's January 6th, 2028, and zombies have overrun the Capitol, and the Democrats are panicking, and they all huddle inside Thomas Massey's office, and he puts a bandana on, and he spins a Winchester, and he's like, let's go, and the zombies are in the halls of the Capitol building.
unidentified		It's a great idea. Man, she's the only one with guns!
		In our movie, we reenacted the insurrection with Lego guys.
		And we also paid an animator on Fiverr to recreate the insurrection for us.
		It's very, very serious journalism.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Awesome. Well, what do you guys think?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're going to have January 6th, 2.0, 2025?
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		No, you know, look, if we're going to characterize it as that was our bad day.
unidentified		You know what I mean? We will if Trump wins.
unidentified		If Trump wins, we will have a—they will burn down D.C. if Trump wins.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		But that'll happen. They.
unidentified		The left, Antifa.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that'll be November 6th that that'll happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. We're not going to know who won on the 6th.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They've got to bring all the mail-in votes in to make sure that they have just enough to beat Trump in Pennsylvania.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh. And the mountains of North Carolina.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. The left will definitely riot if Trump wins.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		I'll be up here for his inauguration.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they rioted the first time he won.
		So I was there on the ground January 20th, 2017, and there's roving bands of hundreds, 300 to 400 black-clad individuals setting fires, smashing windows, running through the streets, knocking things over, police are pepper-spraying people.
		And this is the kind of stuff that I covered frequently.
		Luke Krakowski was there as well.
		And there was this one point where I can't remember what street we were on.
		The police started to line up.
		And so there's two choices you can make.
		You can charge the police line.
		Well, that's risky because now you are putting yourself in with the rioters by charging a police line to break through.
		But my assumption usually is when they form a line, get out of the way of the police.
		Don't stand in front of the line. They're going to start pushing through.
		So I went into a stairwell.
		Fortunately for me, all the rioters followed me into the stairwell and surrounded me as I pressed up against the door, and then the cops formed their line around that stairwell, roping and kettling in about 200 to 300 people.
		The first thing I did was, so the police made the announcement, you have all been arrested, you are under arrest, and so I moved my way to the far right side of this area of the rioters.
		And calmly, I looked at the officer to my right and he's standing with his baton out.
		I was like, officer, I'm going to take my backpack off and just put it down.
		I'm a journalist. I've got my press credentials.
		He says nothing. I said, just want to let you know what I'm doing.
		And I slowly put the bag down.
		And then I ask if any of you guys could call over a supervisor or fan them over.
		I am a journalist. And one of the cops looks at me and he nods a little bit.
		And then he yells something.
		And then he looks over at a guy and he goes like this.
		Officer Washington, I think his name was, walks over and he's like, what's going on?
		And he points at me and I was like, excuse me, sir, I'm a journalist.
		I'm a reporter. I have my press credentials.
		He goes, no, no, you're all under arrest.
		That's it. And I said, I'm just letting you know.
		That's what I have to do.
		And he's like, whatever. He walks away.
		A young Asian reporter for a local news outlet is also there with her camera guy.
		Begins saying the same thing like, weird reporters.
		Why are we here? They call the same supervisor over.
		And he says, nope, nope.
		You have all been arrested.
		You are not going anywhere. And I looked at him and I was like, just letting you know is what we have to do.
		Finally then, this young reporter, she's on the phone.
		Her newsroom, I'm assuming, what happened is calls the police and says, why have you arrested our well-dressed, makeup-clad street reporter with a cameraman?
		And so he walks over and he goes, who's the journalist?
		And then they wave, and then I wave, and a couple other people who are now realizing what we're doing smile and wave.
		And he says, he looks at us, you guys have a press credentials on you?
		And everyone says yes. And he goes, okay.
		He pulls out the TV reporters first.
		They show their cars, and he goes, go that way, get out of here.
		Then he pulls another person out, and I look at him and I wave, and he goes like this, and he goes, show me your credentials, and I have like seven.
		Like, I've worked for a bunch of companies.
		And then he's like, okay, you can go that way.
		Here's a funny thing. So I tweet, I tell the story.
		I said, they arrested me. They told me three times I had been arrested.
		But fortunately, this local TV station called it in, and because they had to get pulled out, he said, okay, I'm going to get the rest of the journalists out too.
		There were some—journalists will do air quotes—they're gonna get so mad when they see this show, by the way—who did not get pulled out.
		And they said, it's BS. You know, some of them were like, they must be feds.
		How did they get released and we got arrested?
		I'll tell you. Because the journalists were in the front of the crowd of rioters, screaming in the face, spit-flying, F you, you mother effer!
unidentified		you can't arrest me, I'm a journalist!"
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And the rest of us went over and were like, we're terribly sorry about this, we are professionals
		and we have been caught up in your arrest here.
		And so they go on to claim that it's a conspiracy or some other nonsense, but here's what ends up happening.
		Around 200 and some odd arrests of that crowd, they all get processed.
		They're all wearing masks.
		The federal government cannot prove who individually committed a crime.
		So the first thing that happens is a couple of these guys start taking plea deals.
		And the lawyers for the activists start telling all of the activists, stop taking deals.
		They cannot criminally prosecute you.
		Fight it. And so what happens is, in a couple of the cases, the defense successfully argues, did you see my client start a fire, smash a window, commit a crime, or in other ways break the law?
		And they said... Yes.
		How did you identify them? He's wearing a mask.
		Well, there was a black client individual wearing these clothes and they're like, is it reasonable to assume that with all these people wearing the same clothes, you could not determine who actually was?
		Reasonable doubt. So the government changes their strategy and says conspiracy to commit the crime.
		And the judge is like, you cannot charge a group of people with conspiracy for wearing the same clothes.
		So they all end up getting the charges dropped, file a lawsuit against the federal government and won over a million dollars in cash.
		So the insurrectionists in 2017, they torched, there was a limousine driver, a private contractor.
		He was an immigrant. They torched his limousine because they're like, screw the rich people.
		It's a guy who bought a vehicle.
		He rents it out to drive people around.
		They set fires in the street.
		They smashed windows.
		They were ransacking public property, flipping over garbage cans, and they got paid cash.
		That's the difference between the left and the right.
		It's insane. But I will tell you this.
		A large component is the right doesn't organize.
		They did not have masks.
		They had no plans. The difference is...
		I hate to say it, but anybody who studied this stuff knows that as much as the TV would like to tell you otherwise, the terrifying reality of crime in this country is that premeditated murder is almost never solved.
		You know what police are looking for.
		And so they're saying there's a serial killer maybe up in Long Island.
		It's been going on for decades because they're planning this on how to avoid detection.
		Most murders we get are passion.
		Someone in the heat of the moment does something bad.
		And then there's a spattering of evidence for Antifa on the far left.
		They plan their crimes in advance, well organized, making it very difficult.
		They exploit the system so they can't be charged.
		And on January 6, a bunch of doofy dotards and right wing dudes with no real plans walked
		around, ended up in the capital, some doing bad things, many and many just walking around.
		But their faces are all clearly visible.
		Many of them aren't wearing masks.
		They're trying to help the police.
		Complete disorganization ends up with all of them mostly getting or not.
		I should say about many of them going to jail for long periods of time, whereas the left
		got paid cash.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And I use that January 20th of 2017 as a comparative all the time.
		I've debated other mainstream media journalists about this, and we go back to the MPC brain, is that they cannot see the difference between what's going on.
		And the difference is, very clearly, you're talking about a leftist system in a leftist city...
		And when we say leftists, we're not talking about marginally.
		You know, this is 95% Democrat voters there.
		And that's who the jury pools are made up of.
		That's who the courts are made up of.
		Everybody that works there, that's who it's made up of.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		There's a reason they kept all the cases in D.C. That's exactly why.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		And so when you start seeing those cases from...
		seeing hung juries, you started seeing acquittals, and then the DOJ just went,
		crap, they threw up their hands and dismissed the rest of the cases. They
		dismissed over 200 cases after they realized they weren't going to win, and
		then as Tim properly pointed out, then they started awarding them money. Yep.
unidentified		That's the kind of injustice that will drive good people insane. Well,
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		It will drive people insane because, look, on January 6th, I was there with another journalist.
		And we were standing out in the lawn at the Washington Monument that morning early.
		We got there about 9.30 in the morning.
		Trump didn't take the stage until 11.57.
		He was an hour late getting on his stage.
		We were freezing. It was cold.
		There's tens of thousands of people around us.
		I mean, it was an incredible sight.
		And it was joyous.
		It was celebratory, despite the wind and the cold.
		I am taking like 360, you know, camera shots of, you know, video shots of this crowd.
		I've never been in a crowd this large before in my life.
		And I'm awestruck by it.
		And I said to the other journalist who was with me, I said, okay, I said, this is a Wednesday morning.
		Why are all these conservatives here?
		Conservatives work. If this had been a Saturday, I might have expected a quarter of a million, 400,000 people to be there.
		But this is a Wednesday. And I said, is this because they're still not back at work because of COVID? Or are they just this frustrated at the system?
		Or what's going on right now?
		These were rhetorical questions that I was asking.
		I wasn't expecting an actual answer.
		But in hindsight...
		What happened was, is that very, very small handful of provocateurs knew that this was dry, dry, dry tender out there.
		Yeah. And that it just took a little bit to light that fire.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is a story from ABC News.
		Washington to pay $1.6 million to settle lawsuits after protests at Trump's 2017 inauguration.
		The class action suit allege mass arrests and excessive force.
		They reached a $1.6 million settlement in two suits.
		The lawsuits were brought by the American Civil Liberties Union of D.C. and attorney Jeffrey Light on behalf of protesters.
		The ACLU said in a statement Monday that the lawsuit alleged to police chief Newsham and more than 20 officers engaged in or supervised constitutional violations, including mass arrests of demonstrators of that probable cause, unlawful conditions and confinement for detainees and or use of excessive force.
		And I wonder if y'all can notice anything in this image.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, let's see.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Nobody? I'll just give a couple seconds.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		General lack of testosterone.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Nope, there's me. Oh, there it is.
		You can actually see this is me holding my press pass and my phone as I'm live streaming what's going on.
		And if you squint, you can tell that's me from one of the photos that I actually use on YouTube.
unidentified		That's the white dudes for Harris right there.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. When they say excessive force, do they mean like blind firing into a crowd and shooting a woman in the neck or beating someone to death on the Capitol stairs?
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no. What is excessive force in this case?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They mean that they surrounded them and made them stand there for three hours.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's excessive force.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, jeez, some people were hungry.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		I'll note that the ACLU has never reached out to me to, you know, defend me for my First Amendment.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, you may notice in this photo as well, these green hats that you'll see all over the place.
		You know, at the time, When I was covering protests, what I was told of these individuals with green hats, they're the National Lawyers Guild, is that they're there to observe police behavior and protester behavior to provide constitutional defenses for protesters.
		And I said, oh! Well, that's cool, I guess.
		So your volunteers and your lawyers?
		Like, yeah. And then we watch, and if the police act a fool, and I'm like, I like that.
		It's a check on government, you know what I mean?
		And then one day I was in Boston, and there was a bunch of right-wing individuals, and on the other side of the park was a bunch of left-wing individuals.
		The people on the right were holding shields.
		The people on the left, quite literally the left, were holding crowbars and baseball bats, and the National Lawyers Guild was standing alongside them.
		And I know most of these people, and so I walked over and I was talking to them, and I was like, yeah, what's going on?
		And they were like, you know, we're just doing our thing, blah, blah, blah.
		And I had friends who were there, and they're like, hey, look, it's Tim, because Tim covers all the protests.
		And then I said to the National Lawyers Guild, I was like, how come there's no National Lawyers Guild people over there?
		And they were like, what do you mean?
		And I said, how come you guys aren't observing the other side?
		I mean, what if police do something? And they were like, what do you mean?
		I wasn't even registered with them.
		They're the bad guys. Well, and someone told me, like, they're a progressive leftist activist group that masquerade as legal protection.
		Their purpose actually is just to provide means of, I mean, look what they did.
		These people ran around, with all due respect, I can tell you a handful of those people in there, some of my note, did nothing wrong and should never have been arrested.
		These people right here who are by me were not smashing anything.
		There were a bunch of people black clad in hoodies and masks that were smashing things up.
		You can see I'm filming.
		There's another guy who's filming. There's two or three people who are there just filming.
		And they did wrongly round up a lot of people.
		That is BS. Okay, but...
		You know... To stand there and just provide defense for the people who are knowingly organizing to destroy and damage this.
		And then... Ignore what goes on the other side.
		You are just an activist.
		You are not legal protection.
		It is just another mechanism by which they can get away with committing crimes.
unidentified		They're so organized. They're so good at being evil.
		It's insane. Going back to the bumbling right versus this organized, calculated, evil left.
		It can be overwhelming to see all that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		See, here's the issue I see with this.
		Because I can look at this phone and say, I remember that day.
		And yeah, there's probably a lot of people in that crowd, including other journalists, who should not have been stopped, who committed no crimes, did nothing wrong, and were wrongfully arrested.
		The problem is...
		You can easily separate that.
		You can say, look, here's here's a guy wearing a green shirt.
		He's not a part of the group of people with black masks throwing rocks and bricks and setting fires.
		Get him out of here. And if they had actually centered on only the people, if the cops were like, if you are part of the group of black mask wearing hoodies, black jeans that we have witnessed committing crimes, you're going to end up arresting 50 to 100 people.
		Not 200 random people.
		And the fact that they brought journalists into this is probably what helped the far leftists, the writers, get payouts.
		Because then the lawyers just say, look at these journalists.
		This guy's got a credential with this, you know, magazine.
		Police screwed up. But, you know, here's the challenge.
		You're a cop in D.C., There's a gigantic mass of people running through the streets.
		Many of them are smashing things and starting fires.
		You can't stop it.
		What do you do? Well, they said, screw it.
		We'll deal with repercussions later.
		Arrest everybody. And then you end up letting all the criminals go.
		Because you did that. Instead of pulling them out one by one and making the difficult choice of arresting one at a time, which is often what police do, they'll go into the crowd, identify someone, wait, then they reach out, grab them and pull them to the other side.
		With this mass arrest, they basically let them get away with it.
		Now, that being said, on January 6th, there were many people who bumbled in, were regular people who committed no crimes.
		They got the book thrown at them.
		These people were the justification for letting the criminals go.
unidentified		That's insane. One of the guys in our movie, Siaka, he actually was on Babylon Bee's staff.
		He's done videos for us and stuff like that.
		He was in one of the doorways for maybe 60 seconds.
		Didn't even really go all the way in, was kind of in the doorway.
		The police at one point said, hey, can we clear out this area so people can exit the building?
		And he, all on video, he turns around and says to the crowd outside, hey guys, clear away so people can get out.
		And he assisted the police officers, was very friendly, very courteous.
		And he's the guy that was You know, I gotta be honest.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It really does seem that the only way any of this makes sense is that they wanted members of Congress to get hurt.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		This is exactly what they wanted.
		And look, Siakka's a great example, and there's so many others.
		The one story that I enjoy, or I hate they even have to tell his story, is J.D. Rivera.
		He was a journalist.
		He was contracted by an actual mainstream news station in Mobile, Alabama to go up.
		He had his full big professional gear on his shoulder.
		He went through the same window that Luke Mogelson for The New Yorker went through.
		They almost paralleled each other through the Capitol.
		And he was the first guy arrested in Florida.
		They swatted him and his family, 6.30 in the morning, red dots on his wife and on his children on the porch, 25 agents, minimum of 25 agents, He was not going to plead guilty.
		He was not going to take a plea deal to something.
		He was there performing the work of a journalist.
		You're not arresting Luke Mogelson.
		You're not arresting the other guys.
		He was wearing no MAGA stuff.
		He did commit a crime, though.
		You know what it was? Before January 6th, he had been an activist with Latinos for Trump.
		Wow. So that was his crime.
		He goes to trial, does a bench trial.
		Judge finds him guilty on all four of his misdemeanors.
		Now he's swatted, right, for nonviolent misdemeanors as a journalist.
		Eight months in prison was his sentence.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The only way any of this makes sense...
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		He was the first one arrested in Florida.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		...is that the Democrat leadership and these people were hoping, or at least they expected, that members of Congress would be seriously injured or something would happen.
		Because then, if you look at how this all goes down, a SWAT rate for a misdemeanor?
		That makes no sense. What about a photo of a senator being beaten or something like that happening?
		Then the SWAT raids are like, they're going after the people who assaulted the Capitol and attacked members of...
unidentified		It's like they had a plan and the narrative already in place and they said, okay, well, none of this happened, but we're going to go with it anyway.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but why was Nancy Pelosi's daughter there filming a documentary during that day?
		What? Nancy Pelosi's daughter was there filming a documentary that day.
		I had no clue. She actually reached out to me.
		She wanted me to be in her documentary.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		For real? You didn't know that? No, I did not know that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And on the documentary, Nancy Pelosi says, I take full responsibility for this failure.
unidentified		Oh, I've seen that. That's from the documentary?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. Wow. She says, it's my fault, and Trump brought it up.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		And they're like, shut up, Trump. You can't. She tried to get me in her documentary three times.
		Would not leave my attorneys alone.
		I told her I would go on, but I want to be with your mom.
unidentified		See, and that's the other thing that's crazy to me.
		But you're not allowed to ask for money or anything. I'm immersed in the news.
		I live this stuff day in and day out.
		I'm hearing stuff just in this podcast that is news to me as a right-wing guy who's always in the news.
		I mean, normies aren't hearing any of this.
		None of this is getting out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		As part of the terms of your...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I guess, were you convicted or you took a plea?
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		I took a plea deal. We got the felony dropped and the violent entry dropped because I walked through open doors.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		That's a violent entry. And I settled with a glorified trespassing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's the misdemeanor. So part of this is that you can't profit in any way off of...
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		I have two years left, so any time I go to these podcasts or hang out with you guys, it's all on my dollar by die.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		But having fun doing it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So in the instance of being asked to be in the documentary, would you be allowed to say to her, in two years, I will do it if you pay me X amount of dollars?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or you can't even ask her the money now for it in advance, right?
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		No. No, her documentary did finish.
		That was released, I think, about a year ago?
		Yeah. About a year ago, but it's exactly what I thought it was going to be.
		She didn't paint anyone in a good light.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She was filming a documentary in the Capitol.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What was the original intent of the documentary?
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		That's a great question. All right, I have to take off the tinfoil hat and explain that January 6th is a constitutional day.
		Every four years, it is a significant day on our constitutional calendar.
		So the fact that there was going to be the certification of liberal college vote that day, I mean, there were over 100 journalists invited to be there that day that were already inside the building.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And Trump had been contesting the election, there had been many lawsuits, and they knew that there were states sending alternate electors.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		That's correct. So there were other items of interest going on.
		But, back to your point, Tim, is that there was a plan That did not happen that day.
		There was a plan for things to happen that did not transpire in the manner in which they believed.
		And look, I say this all the time, and I go on the record on a regular basis, one of my dead man switches is that I tell certain things that we're working on on podcasts, and I tell them on TV shows, I tell them in interviews, is because I think that when we finally settle this thing conclusively, you're going to find out that this plan It was hatched in the DOD. It did not come out of the mind of Pelosi.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You said you were taking off your tinfoil hat.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's that? You said you were taking off your tinfoil hat.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no. I'm putting...
		No, this is not tinfoil.
		You're like layers deep down.
		I'm telling you what happened that day.
		I'm telling you that this was hatched in Mark Milley's office.
		And that this was why the National Guard was turned down, because those three generals who turned down the National Guard and said they didn't, for the reasons of optics, they were answering for Milley, who was not on that call at the time.
		And the Secretary of the Army was also mysteriously gone that day.
		And then in addition to that, you're going to learn that because our special forces are so skilled in color revolution techniques...
		And I'll give you an exact quote from a three-star general, former second in command of SOCOM, to me.
		He said, all I would need is four or five of my best guys to make January 6th happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well... Power in the world, people don't quite understand.
		What does it mean to win a war, to win a conflict?
		And so I often entertain the silliness of war crimes as a concept.
		We talk about them on the show, but I will point out, what's a war crime?
		When two entities are fighting an existential war, do you think either really cares about what's criminal or not?
		It is that we are gentlemanly men of the liberal economic order who say, no, no, we have war crimes and you best not commit them.
		However, if the United States or its allies does things that should be considered war crimes, they tend to go unanswered.
		The concept of war crimes typically exists for those in power to restrict actions against them or give justification and cast his belly for retaliation should you engage in this conflict.
		That being said, What does it mean to truly win power?
		I'll say this, and it's not an advocacy of, but if on May 29th, 2020, when the far left firebombed St.
		John's Church and they ripped down the barricades and were attacking police, if Donald Trump sat down in his chair and crossed his legs and looked at Barr and said, Stand down.
		Sir, are you... Excuse me?
		I said, withdraw our law enforcement and stand down.
		What would have happened? The far left would have jumped the fence of the White House, torn things down, St.
		John's Church would be torched. They'd breach the White House, shatter things.
		Trump would be in the emergency bunker with a small contingent protecting him.
		The next day, they would say, my God, what has happened to this country?
		Trump would come out and say, yesterday...
		Good and honest, peaceful protesters were expressing themselves in our great city.
		But there was a contingent of violent insurrectionists who took that moment and our goodwill in an attempt to overthrow the seat of power in our nation.
		We asked our law enforcement to stand down not to allow that to happen.
		We did it because we were concerned about the safety of the honest and peaceful journalists, our peaceful protesters and journalists, who were there and they exploited this.
		It is a tradition in this country, especially in D.C., to have your word and to speak your mind.
		But upon us deciding to avoid the conflict with innocent people that could risk injury, we were assaulted and attacked by a contingent of far left terrorists that operate under the under the banner of Antifa.
		Could you imagine what the narrative would be if Trump said stand down?
		The insurrection would be May 29th.
		The issue is, Republicans are doofy, and they do things by the book, and they said, we're being attacked.
		And they went, tell the police to get rid of him.
		And the next day, it was Trump attacks peaceful protesters for photo op.
		On January 6th, when you watch a guy, one of the people at the Capitol, run to the police and say, stop this.
		What are you guys doing? Why are you just standing there?
		And they do nothing. You have to wonder.
		When Trump says, he said, I want to bring in the National Guard, and they said, no, you have to wonder.
		What was the real point of all of everything that went down?
		Well, look, without me accusing anyone of anything, let's just make it a simple, logical game.
		Outside of any kind of false flag operation or conspiracy or whatever, if on May 29th the protesters repelled the police, burned down St.
		John's Church, and successfully breached the White House grounds, which they had firebombed, by the way, there would be no January 6th.
		Donald Trump would be president right now, closing out his second term, and who knows what we'd be seeing.
		But Trump and Republicans in Barr said, we're going to get rid of these protesters, and they did.
unidentified		We're too decent. Too straightforward.
unidentified		We have straightforward, decent, rule-playing people against Hamas.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I gotta tell you, it is the ninja versus the samurai, my friend.
		The samurai, with their great honor and Bushido, are standing at the gate saying, this is how fighting is supposed to be.
		We have trained and we have honor.
		And the ninjas are like, let's sneak in the back.
unidentified		And they do. There's that great moment from the opening of that video game, Ghost of Tsushima, where the samurai goes down to meet the barbarian, you know, in an honorable way.
		You know, this is how the battle's gonna end.
		The barbarian just pours gas on him and lights him on fire.
		You know, it's honor versus dishonor.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		The person who wins war is capable of greater violence.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's how that works. And it's not completely true.
		A lot of people like to romanticize the Revolutionary War as the American use of guerilla tactics, but that's largely not true.
		The American revolutionaries did utilize guerrilla tactics more so, and the British were unsuspecting so, but it's romanticized.
		The reality is largely that battles were fought marching in front of each other on a battlefield and then everyone shooting at each other.
		And you think about it right now.
		In what reality would a smart, logical person be like, everyone line up and then walk towards the other person while you openly fire and don't take cover?
		It seems stupid, but it was this honor battle.
		And I love the movie The Patriot, probably my favorite movie ever, where Mel Gibson is negotiating with Cornwallis.
		And he says, onto negotiations, first order of affairs, you will stop shooting my officers.
		And he says, so long as your officers are ordering the killing of women and children, I will order my men to shoot them on sight.
		And then Cornwallis says, could you imagine what the battlefield would be like without gentlemen?
		Chaos, people running around and...
		Is that what they thought?
		It's crazy these days.
		Now you got dudes burying themselves half in the ground with AK-47s popping up and opening fire because winning is what they're trying to accomplish and this gentlemanly idea of conflict is meaningless.
		So what do you end up seeing? Those that are engaged in subterfuge and subversion are going to win the narrative battle.
		And those who keep trying to play the straightforward game of these are the rules.
		My friends, I got to tell you, Trump keeps trying to win the argument.
		He goes up on stage and he does these big rallies and he says, I'm going to fix this.
		I'm going to fix that. Here's how I'm going to do it.
		And Kamala Harris dodges the interviews and she gives non-answers.
		And everyone's like, ha ha, she can't, she really can't win.
		She has no argument. And then Democrats are like, just go ballot harvest.
		You don't need to convince anybody.
		Just get a piece of paper with their name on it and you win.
		So Republicans need to start thinking about the mechanisms of power and not the straightforward surface level game.
		Because basically what they're saying is, let's play a game of Monopoly where for some reason, you know, our Democrat buddy always says, I'll be the banker.
		And we're like, yeah, that's cool.
		We're okay with you being the banker.
		But somehow they always have extra money.
		No matter what we do, they just keep...
		And they're pulling 500s out of the bank and saying, no, I get this.
unidentified		It's mine. Because the left's loyalty isn't to the system.
		The left's loyalty is to their higher evil ideals that they're trying to serve, and the system is nothing but a lever to accomplish those higher ideals.
		Most conservatives, their loyalty is to the system.
		We must protect the system.
		I think we need to start thinking about what those higher ideals are.
		That idea of by any means necessary, by any means necessary, has been the left's MO for decades.
		Unfortunately, in this one-sided war we're in, conservatives are going to have to start thinking like that.
		How do we use some of these mechanisms to accomplish our higher ideals?
		Once the system's broken, what's left?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I think the important thing to close that off with is, the ends don't justify the means because you'll never meet the ends.
		And the one thing I can say that is good of the right for not engaging in these nefarious and malicious tactics is, if you are to adopt these behaviors of your enemies to create a system, they've won.
		Our whole purpose is to stop the evil and create a sound, honorable, logical, and loyal system.
		And at any point, someone on the right says, you know what, let's just do what the left does.
		It's like, congratulations. They're sitting there laughing saying, we got you to build the system we've been trying to build forever.
		So we have to be honorable.
		We have to do it by the book, but we have to be smart about it.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		I distill it down to conservatives have convictions and liberals have marching orders.
		And that really is what separates us.
		And we can't abandon our convictions because it's what makes us who we are.
		And I think within the Republican Party, there's a very large divide right now between where the Where the new Republican Party is marching and where the old Republican Party is being left behind.
		And I see it on Twitter all the time.
		Maybe Twitter's not real.
		I'm afraid of that or not. But it's a lot of people are upset with Melania coming out being pro-abortion.
		And there's a lot of conservative influencers that are saying, hey, she's allowed to be that.
		It's fine. It's fine. March forward.
		We need votes. We need votes. But we're leaving convictions behind.
		And that truly does concern me.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. How do we beat, though, the mindset of a party?
		That looks at the tragedy in Western North Carolina right now as opportunity instead of just what it is.
		A tragedy that we need to provide assistance, relief, and recovery for.
		Because they see it now as, holy crap, you realize that with 25 counties down, This may actually give us the election.
unidentified		It's pure evil you're staring down.
		It can be so overwhelming when you think about what we're up against, the money and the power and the things that are being done.
		We were kind of talking about this on the way up in the car.
		As a Christian, I kind of have to keep the long-term hope in mind, that we serve a God who has his will, will always be accomplished.
		We know who wins in the end.
		We know that good wins in the end, regardless of what happens in the short term.
		Truth ultimately triumphs over lies.
		Sometimes it just takes a long time, even if not in our lifetime.
		Suppressing the truth is like trying to keep a beach ball under the surface of the water.
		It's very hard. The Democrats have to use a lot of money and power to keep it that way.
		But eventually, sometimes it pops up in funny ways.
		That's kind of what we saw on Twitter.
		We were fighting a losing battle with big tech.
		The Babylon Bee is being threatened by Facebook, we get kicked off of Twitter, and suddenly Gandalf Elon rides in on his white horse with the riders of Rohan, and suddenly we have this powerful free speech platform that really has changed history in ways that we don't even fully comprehend.
		You've got to hold onto that hope that we're going to fight the fight, On the daily, regardless of what happens in the short term, we know that we're fighting for the right cause, and we trust that we're serving a God who will reward that and that we'll win in the end.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Elon's great. I think people rely too much on someone else to do the work for them, largely on the right thinking.
		If I vote for Trump, he'll solve the problem.
		We have cultural problems that need to be solved.
		People need to raise their kids better.
		And I don't mean that as a dig, like, you're better at raising your kids.
		I'm saying, like, be the best you can for your children is a better way to put it.
		Too often people are like, hey look, Elon's saving free speech.
		No. He is a juggernaut who broke down a major barrier, but it's going to require diligence and vigilance on our part forever.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		We're in a generational war.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		This is not something that changes overnight.
unidentified		Yeah, a lot of people feel helpless right now, but what I always tell people is that you raising good kids...
		Is ten times more powerful than your vote or your activism or your blips on social media.
		Raising good kids to love and care for and stand for the truth, who have integrity, that's the long-term battle that we're fighting.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		I got five sons, and we work on that on a daily basis.
		I will say, though, in the culture, we already see a couple things that are kind of turning around.
		Woke is dying. Yeah, I agree.
		It is on its way out. I knew the moment it was dying, it's when...
		Oh, who's the guy with curly hair?
		Syndicate radio host.
		Can't think of his name. It's been around forever.
		Howard Stern? Howard Stern. This is the guy, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I forget his name sometimes, too.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Howard Stern came out and was like, yeah, I'm woke.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		I'm woke as hell. And I'm like, God, when Grandpa says he's into the new thing, that's when you know it's on its way out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, for me, it was...
		The other day when I saw that YouTube had TimCast IRL featured on their live, so for anybody who went to YouTube live, you would see TimCast IRL playing, and I was like, wow!
		And you know, we had a D'Alasanya on yesterday, and I said, I don't know what happened, but somebody at Google might have been like, hey, this IRL show is really popular, why aren't we featuring it?
		And then they were like, oh, but isn't he a fascist?
		And then someone went, no, and they were like, oh.
		Okay, I guess we'll feature it.
		All of a sudden, Timcast IRL is featured number one.
		I was like, something happened at Google, man.
		Wow, that's not just desensoring.
		That's not just lifting the weight off our back because they had their thumb on the scale.
		That's actually putting us on top of the pedestal.
		That's crazy to me. Nature is healing.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		We fired up the theater last week and we watched Inside Out 2 with the kids, fully prepared to make fun of the movie the entire time, throw popcorn at the screen.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Because that's what we do. My kids are older, so we make fun of the workshop.
unidentified		Gotta be loaded with gay stuff, I'm sure, right?
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		They actually actively removed all of it.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		That's what I heard, yeah. Yeah, so the movie was actually a good movie and I was surprised.
unidentified		It was the highest grossing animated movie in history.
unidentified		What? And I'm told that there was an internal battle at Disney, because they actually had originally, in the original script, Riley, the main character, they had...
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		There are undertones of that.
unidentified		Undertones of kind of a lesbian love affair with this other girl at school.
		They took all that out.
		There was a big internal battle at Disney, and sure enough...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just, I don't want to point out because I just checked, but I got an image here that makes a tweet, but we are featured number two right now on YouTube Live.
		There's a big ol' lectern guy just right on the front page.
		Wow, look at that! So YouTube has on their default live page right now the calm musings of lectern guy.
		This is a lot. I think it does.
unidentified		Hopefully having insurrectionists on your show doesn't remove you from the featured...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but we've had you on one.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		This is my fourth time up here.
		You were actually one of... So, I was on...
		I think I was along with Luke a few months ago, and I was talking about, I actually brought you up, I said, you know, there were a handful of people who gave me a chance to speak and get my story straight, and I actually brought up you guys as well.
		I said, no, it was Tim Pool, you know, it was Clint, it was Josie, it was Babylon Bee, reaching out and trying to set the story straight, and that's, that meant the world to me.
		So people, I'm sure you're on Twitter, people talk crap about you, you know, and it's, yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People talk crap about me before Twitter, you know, it's like, it's part of growing up, you know.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		I have no problem saying, this man gave me a voice and a chance to speak and clear my name.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, I'm kind of on his side with this one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't know. I mean, I complain on the internet and invite people to come complain with me.
unidentified		The most egregious thing that happened to you, Adam, was that you lost your PlayStation account.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		What?! Yeah, this actually happened.
		I'm a PlayStation guy, actually.
		I play video games at 2 o'clock in the morning when the kids are asleep.
unidentified		That's the only time you can play them when you're a dad of five kids.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		That's it. So I've had an account forever, right?
		So I get back a couple months after prison, and my PlayStation account gets taken from me.
		And I had something like 100 platinum trophies.
		A lot of wasted time went into that, so I've been slowly grinding through and getting my platinums back.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They banned you for being the lectern guy?
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		They gave me no reason. They gave me no reason whatsoever, but my 10-year account was just gone.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think we're winning. You know, I think the dam broke.
		I think Disney lost a billion dollars and then shed a brick.
		Yep. You know, again, Dallas was here and he's this big movie producer.
		He's working with The Daily Wire and things like that.
		And I heard this rumor that Kevin Feige at Marvel fired a bunch of activists.
		And it's fascinating because you can tell when it started at Marvel.
		You know, look, I often talk about how conservatives, they complain a lot, people on the right, and then post-liberals, the anti-woke, complain a lot about when movies go woke, but they don't praise the movies that get it right.
		So I take a look, and they say, oh, superhero movies are dumb, what do you like?
		Captain America, the first Avenger, is a movie that I think every dad should show to his son.
		You know why? Yes. He's a scrawny guy, Steve Rogers.
		He's got all these different ailments, but he is desperate to serve his country.
		He feels he owes this country a debt of gratitude for what they've offered him.
		He wants to help fight, and he keeps trying to enlist.
		He's actually lying about his name to keep trying, but he keeps failing.
		And so, you have this story of a guy trying to serve his country to fight the bad guys and fight evil, and Steve Rogers is a great character.
		In this movie, you got this great scene where, what is it, what's the guy's name?
		Tom Holland?
		No, no, no, the old guy.
		The old actor, I forget his name.
		He's the general, he's basically training a bunch of guys, and then you have Stanley Tucci, who's the scientist.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, yeah, the guy who plays Elrond and Agent Smith.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, it's not him. He's the skull guy.
		Tommy Jones or whatever?
		Tommy Lee Jones? Oh, okay.
		I don't know. He's like, we don't want a scrawny guy like this, we want someone who's tough, who's got guts!
		And then he pulls the fake grenade and throws it, and then all the dudes jump away, but Steve Rogers, scrawny weak, jumps on it and is like, get back!
		And then the scientist starts laughing, like...
		It's a training exercise and he's jumping on the grenade.
unidentified		Those early Marvel movies are great studies in heroism.
		Steve Rogers was a hero before he ever got to see Iron Man.
		Iron Man is the opposite of that, where he had the money and the power and the suit, but he didn't have the integrity of character.
		So you kind of see those two things that you need.
		You need the power, the physical strength, but you also need this inward character.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's actually really fascinating.
		Yeah, Iron Man has all the power without a care in the world.
		Right. Experiences suffering and realizes what his power has wrought and turns it around.
		Steve Rogers had the character but no power.
		Yep. Well, you know, I just, I watched, so after we talked about this, This rumor has been circulating that Kevin Feige was like, why are our movies starting to fail?
		I was the king of the castle.
		Every movie was a billion dollar movie.
		I mean, it's unprecedented how big these movies were.
		And he nukes all of the woke activists who are writing the stuff.
		And I think you can see the moment it started.
		It was Captain Marvel.
		So you take a look at Infinity War.
		I think Infinity War is a masterpiece.
		Okay. It was three movies in one, three different color schemes.
		Seriously, I watched this, like...
		It's like a movie film director breaking down how he was so impressed by how they did this.
		Thanos, the villain, is actually the main character.
		He's the protagonist. And then, because all the other characters are around him, and he wins in the end.
		It starts with him, it ends with him.
		And then, in between this...
		You get Captain Marvel.
		Brie Larson, this dainty, woke female, and I mean that in the real world.
		She's very woke. She's an activist.
		She's tweeting all this garbled nonsense.
		They say, we're going to have her take over and be what Robert Downey Jr.
		was. Her profile does not fit the character she's meant to play.
		Captain Marvel, people really didn't like the character to begin with, but she's like this thin, frail woman.
		They want to play this Superman-like character.
unidentified		And her character was so unlikable.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely unlikable. I could see her on her face the whole time.
		But I don't blame Brie Larson for this.
		She was the wrong choice for this role, and they were like, we're gonna girl boss this.
		Then you watch Endgame, and what do you get?
		You get the girl power moment that everyone groaned about, and all the woke people cheered, but when I was in the theater when Endgame came out, the whole audience groaned in the theater when they did that scene at the end where all the women were like, she's not alone, and all the men walked together.
		I heard, oh! And then you have this scene where Brie Larson's fighting Thanos, who's supposed to be the greatest villain of all time.
		He headbutts her and she doesn't move and she just looks at him.
		And it's like, oh, just stop.
		And so I put the movie on last night and I was watching and I was like, that's when they went heavy into girl boss, woke, feminist, all of that stuff.
unidentified		And they got the wrong signal from that movie because that movie made like a billion dollars.
		Captain Marvel did.
		Right. But it was really coasting off of the success of Endgame and Infinity War.
		And so they got this idea that this is, oh, this is what the audience wants now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then what did it lead to?
		Yeah. The back end of the bell curve.
		Yeah. That was it.
		You made your peak and now all your profits are declining.
		Disney loses a billion dollars on all their past releases.
		They don't learn their lesson.
		Recently, though, Kevin Feige, who's the king of Marvel and who's made tens of billions, if not hundreds of billions, who knows, in IP value alone, hundreds of billions, apparently is like, we got to fire all these people.
		Because they are ruining everything.
		And now the Marvel Universe is a disaster.
unidentified		Yep. Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, it's everything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Disney has burned it all to the ground.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		I think they canceled Rey. There was supposed to be a trilogy for Rey for Star Wars.
unidentified		That's been canceled. Yeah, with the feminist documentary filmmaker making a blockbuster for the first time, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep, and then you have The Acolyte, canceled after the first season.
		Someone at Disney's getting pissed, and they're like, what is happening?
		It's like, dude. Here's how I describe it.
		Jack Dorsey used to be, he's a former CEO of Twitter when it was Twitter, free speech wing of the Free Speech Party, he said.
		Somehow, within three or four years, he's a woke activist.
		You know what happened? Long story short is, they start seeing an emergence of various types of ideology.
		You've got the pro-American nationalist ideology, and then you've got wokeness.
		But wokeness was always in line with what was deemed advertiser acceptable.
		Racism is bad. Anybody says something that's kind of racist is bad for advertisers.
		Anybody says racism is bad is good for advertisers.
		This created a monetary pressure in that direction.
		Jack Dorsey builds a system that creates these rules that promotes this kind of woke ideology, and then he starts looking at it every day.
		The way to describe it is he built a toilet that allowed woke activists to dump in and then he hooked the pipe right up to his mouth.
		So all of the refuse of woke ideology is funneling into his brain and his brain is beginning to rot.
		But he can't see it because he is surrounded in every direction by woke activists.
		He thinks this is base reality.
		Meanwhile, the majority of people are watching saying that sucks.
		As you mentioned, Captain Marvel makes a billion dollars and they say people want more of this.
		No. Yeah.
		Here's the easiest way to understand it.
		Pirates of the Caribbean is a masterpiece.
		Every movie after that sucks was garbage.
		So I remember when the commercials came out for Pirates 2, Dead Man's Chest, and the commercials say the number one movie in America.
		I was like, no, it's not. Pirates 1 is the number one movie.
		Everyone wanted to see the second one because the first one was good and the second one sucked ass.
		Yep. Yep. So now it's turning around because after sustained failure and a loss of a billion dollars, you start to ask, hey, what's going on?
		It's, yeah, people don't like this stuff, man.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		They don't. I mean, you look at, what was the blockbuster last year?
		It was Top Gun, right?
		Oh, yeah. Top Gun 2. What was in that?
		Just jets flying around shooting the terrorists.
unidentified		Sincerity. It wasn't winking, it wasn't banter, it wasn't cynical, it wasn't political, it was just sincerity, it was masculine, and that's what people wanted.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If they get back...
		So one of the problems now with Marvel is the cinematic universe has become a hodgepodge of insanity that makes no sense.
		The multiverse, you know, what's the guy, Major, what's his face?
		Majors, who gets removed because of his scandal.
		Yeah. Now they've got, but I don't want to harp on Marvel, but all of the Disney shows they've picked up have just become a hodgepodge of weird, garbled nonsense.
		I don't know how they bring it back together, but that's good news because it opens the door for new and independent creators to start taking that space, so I'm excited for that.
		But we're about at time, so if you guys want to give your final thoughts, wrap up.
		I know you've got a movie to promote. What's going on?
unidentified		Yeah, so the January 6th, The Most Darkest Day documentary is coming out October 11th.
		If you want to see it, you can subscribe to The Babylon Bee.
		Right now it's behind our paywall.
		I don't know if there's any plans to release it from that anytime soon, but if you want to see it on release day, subscribe to The Babylon Bee at our website.
		And yeah, I think hopefully people will enjoy it.
adam johnson ▲ ● ▼		You can follow me on Twitter at Lectern Leader.
		Also, my charity got approved by the IRS. The website's being built, so hopefully within the next month or so we'll have some merchandise for you guys to buy.
		All the money that comes in for that will be going to feeding kids for Christmas and making sure they have a good Christmas this year.
steve baker ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and just follow my stuff at TheBlaze.com or BlazeTV.
		Subscribe if you can.
		And then we have up on YouTube, Not Behind the Paywall, is our most recent mini-documentary, which is going to be a three-part series on a day in the life of Harry Dunn.
		He's the most famous of the Capitol Police officers.
		Who perjured himself in congressional testimony, in trial.
		We have proved it conclusively.
		The Capitol Police have done an internal investigation, but that's as far as that's gone.
		But now we just have to force the Judiciary Committee and the DOJ to actually do their job.
		So that's why we are hitting really hard in this new documentary.
		But it's there.
		Part one dropped yesterday.
		Day in the Life of Harry Dunn.
		Plays TV on YouTube.
		Go watch it. Right on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, you guys, this has been fun and funny, so I really do appreciate you guys hanging out.
		For everybody who is watching, smash the like button if you're listening on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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		I've got these people yelling at me being like, you've got a million followers listening to the podcast and all that stuff, and I'm like, okay, guys, please.
		So we'll be back tonight at 8 p.m.
		over at youtube.com slash timcastirl.
		Thank y'all so much and we'll see you there.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		you you
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