The Culture War #57 Abolish The Police Or Back The Blue w/ Christian Fenico & Alfredo Luna
Host:
Tim Pool
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Christian Fenico
Alfredo Luna @xAlphaWarriorx
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Lisa Elizabeth @LisaElizabeth (X)
Kellen Leeson @KellenPDL (X)
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So I saw some profound wisdom written on a building once, and I thought to myself, wow, the person who wrote this must be a great philosopher.
They wrote, all cops are bastards.
And I'm like, what a truly profound thought that must be for them to come up with such an idea.
But we've been talking a lot about police on the show and now with yesterday, Donald Trump going to the wake of a fallen officer while Joe Biden went and partied instead.
You also have the spike in crime in New York City, which they deny is happening, but women are now getting punched in the face.
People are getting pushed in front of subway trains.
And there was recently a guy who got shot in the head.
I mean, that was the guy who did it apparently got the gun from the other guy and then it was self-defense.
You know, this has been going on for quite some time over the past several years with debates about policing in general in the United States.
And while, you know, typically I've been of the position that the institution of policing is good and necessary, we do have an issue right now with, say, like the Capitol Police hunting down, you know, grannies and bumbling fools who, you know, walked into the wrong side of a building.
And we can certainly understand rioting is bad and you should be criminally charged for that, but there are a lot of people who on January 6th didn't cross any barricades, Walked onto public grounds with no signs.
In some instances were even fanned in by the cops.
In one instance, there's a video of one of these J6ers asking the police if they need help and how they can help get a control of these things.
Well, for doing that, that man is now in prison.
So the question is, abolishing the police, backing the blue, where we are on police, what's it like to be a police officer?
And we've got a couple of gentlemen joining us to talk about this.
So I don't know which one of you guys would like to introduce yourself first.
unidentified
Thanks for having me, Tim.
My name is Christian Fenico.
I was a wrongfully terminated Philadelphia police officer.
I got my job back after falsely being accused of racist Facebook posts.
Yeah, well, hold on.
The posts were not only, they weren't racist, we went through arbitration, the arbitrators, nothing racist, and they're also found to be edited by an anti-cop group who did the screenshots, leaking them to the city.
So, and the city did absolutely nothing to authenticate the post, they actually didn't even use their social media investigators, and it was actually thanks to the social media investigators stepping up and saying, No, these need to be authenticated and they are in fact edited.
So there's a lot, but they were two of the big strikes.
My name's Alfredo Luna, 14 years as a cop, Southern California, wrongfully terminated, still in the fight for that job.
And then got a visit from the FBI January 15th of 2021 for January 6th, even though I wasn't at January 6th.
They said J6 was a triggering event and my social media tweets said I wanted to disrupt the inauguration, according to them, because there's no evidence to support that.
We ended up picking a chief, Travis Walker, who was terminated a few months after they terminated me.
He was the captain of the San Bernardino SWAT team when they had the terrorist attack in San Bernardino.
Oh wow.
He comes over, he wants me to write a warrant that is almost borderline illegal.
I refuse to do it, so I write the warrant as it is, which there was no probable cause, started a chain reaction, put a target on my back, he ultimately ends up terminating me.
They brought four allegations against me, which I won in arbitration.
See, yeah, this is the big challenge in, you know, over the past several years, especially with the George Floyd riots, you know, you had the left saying en masse, abolish the police or defund the police at least.
And, you know, we hear we're like, this is ridiculous.
You know, you live in a big city.
Now you can see where this has gone with the releasing of criminals and the defunding of police.
But then you have now, what I'm seeing is Cops like yourself, cops like, they stripped you of your job.
Like, they're trying to get rid of the cops that are actually going to do their jobs right, say, not making a bunk warrant, and replace them with communists.
unidentified
Or cowards.
But they're synonymous, I guess.
So, I just want to go ahead and throw this out here right away.
Like, I was under the impression that today the conversation was going to be a little more argumentative, but it sounds like we're going to be.
Me and Tim were like, we're probably going to agree on 70-80% with these guys because we think that the cops need a little more scrutiny because of Cases like yourselves.
And so I thought that we were getting two police officers that were still actively working and that didn't have a gripe.
So this is probably gonna be like 95%.
So I am still, I technically am still.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's why the 5%.
But, you know, so just heads up, like I was, like, I was expecting a little more, uh, something that would be argumentative and, and I don't want, you know, viewers to think, Oh, you know, they're just trying to, like, I was thinking this was going to be different.
I mean, it's obviously true that there are good people and bad people.
Police are no exception to someone being good or bad.
The issue that I've brought up, many people have said that it's the exception, not the rule or whatever.
The issue I've brought up is the broad institution and human behaviors.
So, typically a human will defend themselves, their friends, their family, or their community before strangers.
And that seems to make sense to everybody.
I mean, look, If there's a fire and your family's there, are you going to run and save a stranger or are you going to save your family?
There's no question.
You know, if Spider-Man is dangling from a rope and there's a stranger and Mary Jane, he famously, well, he tries to save them both.
In the movies, he's allowed to.
So the issue then becomes a variety of things, and we can tackle any one of these, where If it comes down to authoritarian tactics, when it comes down to, like your story for instance, where the far left fabricates posts to get you fired, the reason they don't authenticate it is because the guy who's working higher up is like, I am not sticking my neck out for this guy.
Don't know, don't care.
I gotta protect myself.
They're gonna come at me if I don't do something.
unidentified
I would actually disagree with that because the guy that's high up I mean, so you have the Commissioner, of course, but this was more the mayor's doing, Mayor Kenney, who is arguably the worst mayor in the city of Philadelphia of all time.
What happened was, they released this on eight different cities.
It was Philly, I want to say Phoenix, I want to say St.
Louis.
overreacted more than anything without any form of due process and a lot had to do with the mayor and it was an election year.
The mayor's not a fan of cops.
I mean he's he's actually a lot of italians were fired in philadelphia and the mayor has been on record referring to italians as cousin guidos so i mean i mean if he was a friend i'd probably laugh at that but i mean that gives you an idea So, again, it's an election year, he wants to gain favor, and he was actually on the news.
While the beginning of this investigation, 328 cops were investigated for this in Philadelphia.
Wow.
328.
72 lost their guns and were benched, 15 were fired, and, I mean, like, so 328 totally got punished.
But the problem was, he was actually, Fox affiliate in Philly, actually said to him, doing an interview to the mayor, You know, how do you want to handle this?
He's like, gone.
I want them all gone.
And the guy was like, all of them?
This is during the beginning phases of an investigation, okay?
And he turns around, I want them all gone.
The reporter gave him, kind of gave him like a, hey, all of them?
He's like, all of them.
It's just a matter of how we do it.
And I'm like, or we just have an investigation and let the pieces fall where they may.
He doesn't care about any of the other people that he's throwing under the bus or destroying for personal gain.
This is what comes with the fragmentation, the fracturing of culture and no longer having to fear your neighbors for being shunned or ostracized.
So the broad picture is, we have seen throughout history, whenever a government becomes totalitarian, The people in military, National Guard, armed forces, typically just say, I'd rather be on the side of the guys with guns than the people being shot at.
And so if you look at Venezuela, for instance, how do you have a nation where everyone's poor, but the National Guard is willing to shoot and gun down students, like 20-year-olds in the street?
It's because these people are told, do you want to be starving and shot at, or do you want to be the one with the gun protected and well-fed by the government?
So that's a broad catch of the dangers of institutions no matter what.
The dangers of... I don't know if there's anything around that.
But then we end up with...
Uh, stories that we've talked about where Luke Rutkowski, for instance, uh, interviewed a guy who was on the New York subway when a man started stabbing people and the police refused to stop him.
So he intervened and got stabbed several times.
There was some lawsuit where the courts ruled the police have no obligation to actually intervene to save anyone.
And it was only after the guy was subdued by a bystander, the police came in to arrest him.
So, what I see here in New York, we can start with New York is, what I describe as a negative pressure environment, where Daniel Penney, for instance, he's on a subway train, a guy's threatening to kill people, a woman even says, Daniel Penney saved our lives, but the cops come and they arrest Daniel Penney.
Then you have criminals like the far left in Antifa, who will smash windows, they'll attack people, they'll beat people in the street, and when the cops show up, these people resist, and then the cops don't arrest them.
Not every single cop is going to do this.
A lot of cops, of course, are going to try and stop the criminals, but the issue is negative pressure.
If Daniel Penny, a good guy, a good Samaritan, is willing to stand there calmly and peacefully and place hands behind his back, he will be arrested.
Antifa, who's going to resist, will get away.
It's just attrition.
So I've often cited in New York during Gavin McGinnis, he was giving a speech, Antifa antagonizes the guests who are there, threatening them.
Some of the proud boys come out and say, okay, fine, I guess there's a fight on our hands and it's mutual combat.
When the police show up, the Proud Boys say, here's what they were doing to us, here's what ended up happening.
Antifa says, screw you, and runs away.
The police then say, okay, arrest the Proud Boys and put them in prison.
The Proud Boys were the victims.
They were being harassed and antagonized by a gang.
And the cops had no problem putting the victims in prison.
That's the initial problem I see, and I don't know if you guys want to explain what it's like to be cops and how you'd handle these things and where we're at.
The issue with this is, and you look at my story, the first part of it is a perfect example.
When you have cops that are going to say no to doing the wrong thing, they're going to find themselves in either some punishment or termination.
And those stories don't make the headlines.
Nobody's there to fight for you.
You lose your home, you lose everything doing the right thing and the public doesn't know.
So this is where you have to have a relationship between the law enforcement officers that are going to do the right thing and the community that's going to be willing to support them when they do do the right thing.
Because if cops see, and granted they should just do the right thing regardless of what the consequence is going to be like.
But if they also see that, hey, yeah, I'm going to lose my job, but in the fight to get my job back, the community is going to make sure my family's not homeless.
We have food on the table.
You're going to see people that are willing to take this, but it's the issue we see with whistleblowers.
Why don't we have more whistleblowers?
Because we see that the whistleblowers that do come out, they get hung to dry.
They make the headlines for a few months and then everybody forgets about it.
unidentified
I've seen it now in DC, whistleblowers come out and then they're all of a sudden, they're getting like, they're the bad guy or something like that, which is a deliberate attempt to silence future whistleblowers.
That's all that is.
I mean, right now we're seeing a situation where, honestly, like, so especially since COVID, right, like, your cops that are there with the intent to make their own communities better and to make a positive impact, they've been run out.
Because cops, like, if you're going into this with a, you know, I, for lack of a better term, like a high kind of notion of police officers and you're like, I want to do the good thing, right?
You're buying into the narrative.
You're like, I want to be a good cop.
I want to serve my community.
I want to go and do the right thing.
If you're that kind of guy and then they're like, well, you got to do this and you're like, Well yeah but this isn't the guy you know this is this is wrong this is either whatever it may be whether it be a warrant or they're you know you cops aren't supposed to to pick people up for protesting or whatever it may be and and you push back all the incentives are to get you out of there and get someone someone in that's going to obey and that is That's a significant problem because that's literally getting the good guys out and putting the bad guys in.
One thing that I've been talking about since COVID and since the George Floyd incident is how damaging the ACAB sentiment is.
You can be critical of police officers that do things that are bad, but the whole ACAB thing makes whole communities turn against police.
Because the people that are loud and upset are the ones that have had bad interactions.
So they're the ones that are going to complain.
The people that have had good interactions, they really don't end up standing up because they get shouted down or they get called, you know, you're a snitch or whatever, because they're like, no, we need cops.
And so they don't say much.
And this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy where you get bad cops in areas that are bad because the good cops are like, nobody, you know, I get Crapped on and stuff when I go and actually try to help.
One might seem drastic around 2008, 2009 on the West coast.
I don't know how you'll feel about this on the East coast.
An issue that I saw is, was in the hiring process, law enforcement started to shift to hiring guys that were going to be on paper, less of a liability.
So there was this push towards guys with degrees and, and, and, you know, a lot of sex and, and, and.
And I'm not knocking on, on the, on the education.
It is important, but when you had the guys that, you know, went to high school, went to college and then get hired, you know, at 24, 25 in law enforcement, there wasn't a lot of life experience there.
And it was, you know, taught what to think, you know, a lot of liberal mindset.
And all of a sudden you started to see a rise in use of force because you moved away from the quote unquote knuckle draggers that used to hire us cops into people that, yeah, they can write Moby Dick in a police report, but out in the field, they just couldn't apply those principles.
And it leads to these things that you see on the media, bad shootings, bad use of force.
So there needs to be a change in the hiring.
The second thing is, and I learned this, this is hindsight for me.
We need to get rid of every municipality, and I work for one, every municipality coast-to-coast, and move to sheriff's departments.
I mean, some are good, many are not, but no, I agree a hundred percent.
I think sheriff's departments, and usually sometimes sheriff's departments wind up representing the communities they're in.
So depending upon how, you know, Whatever you want to say.
Blue, the areas, versus red, versus somewhere in the middle, you may get those kind of sheriff's departments.
I mean, you look down south, Florida or, you know, deep in Louisiana or Alabama, those sheriff's departments, I would not want to F around and find out down there.
My sheriff in New England, in New Hampshire, he's a Democrat, but he's really, he's a good Democrat because he... That's oxymoronic.
I know what you're saying.
He's one of the Democrats that don't mess with the, that avoid messing with civil rights.
How about that?
They don't, they don't tend to, to violate civil rights.
Because people didn't look up anything about the individual.
And I respect the political point that was made.
Now, this individual didn't win, but won the primary, and a bunch of Republicans were mad, like, well, I don't want to vote for that person.
Yeah, sure you did.
You checked the box.
That's on you, man.
unidentified
Bad news is she's, I believe she's about to start time in prison for a Bitcoin, for something about Bitcoins.
Oh, there's always something wrong, huh?
Well, I think personally it's bogus, so I think she probably should be let out, but that's neither here nor there, because I don't think Bitcoin crimes are actually really crimes.
They're just the government being mad at people.
It's not real money, so how can it be a real crime?
In New York, in Staten Island during COVID lockdowns, there was a bar.
That they had these zones where if you're in green zone, you're allowed to be open.
If you're in the red zone, you're closed.
And like a block from the end of the zone, this bar, they were closed.
New York police refused to enforce against them when they opened their doors.
So they brought in state police with smiles on their faces, lined up in front of the business.
Now here's the thing.
The business said, guys, you know what?
You're right.
We can't reopen the business.
We won't.
But we'll open our doors, and anyone who wants to come hang out and have a free beer is welcome to.
So they actually let people come in, watch TV, and eat and hang out for free, and state police still came and tried to shut them down, lined up in front of the doors.
You had, in New Jersey, Attila's Gym.
The local cops refused.
Yeah, they refuse to enforce, so they bring in cops from a different city, and so I think this is a challenge we face.
The big issue is that this country does not have a unified culture anymore, and so a cop from one town over can be like, I could do all the wrong in the world, and I will never be held accountable because I don't live there.
So that's true for the state troopers, that's true for the cops who shut down Attila's gym.
unidentified
I think the book Ordinary Men should be required reading.
That'd be great.
If you're a cop.
I think that's a book where, I think you say it sometimes, it's slowly, slowly, then all of a sudden.
Ordinary Men was a book about, I believe it was the Hamburg 101 police during the late 30s or 40s.
They were just regular ordinary cops.
And what they did was, hey, we're going to need you to just escort these Jewish people from their homes.
And then it was, Hey, can you just put them on these trains?
And hey, can you just, um, take them into there?
I need you to dig a pit and shoot them.
And you know, I mean, there's a lot more in it, but, but you read the book and it was slowly, slowly, then all of a sudden, and you know, that's, that's how things like this happen.
I'm not saying this is happening here yet, hopefully.
The point that you're making about people that miss the point of their job, essentially, when you're a public servant like a police officer, the point of your job is really, it's not to collect parking tickets.
They got parking enforcement for that.
It's not to hand out tickets because people were speeding, honestly.
I understand there is a certain amount of, we want to have Speed limits and safety and make those make those arguments and stuff.
But police officers aren't signing up because they're like, man, I'm going to make sure nobody drives 80 ever again.
You know, I'm going to fix this problem.
It's like they want to do things if they if they if they are signing up for virtuous reasons, if they're signing up because they want the job as opposed to a job, they're doing it because they want to help.
And the guys who I worked with down when I was in South Philippine Patrol, I never even hired to take a book.
I didn't carry along, because I wasn't, don't get me wrong, I mean there were, if I ever went over to radio and said, hey can someone bring a TVR book over here, they were like, man he must have really did something wrong.
I literally said one thing.
The whole thing?
The last ticket I wrote, I mean I was in SWAT at the time, which is the last thing you want to write a ticket.
We were driving and literally, car goes through a red light.
Special weapons and tickets.
Special weapons and tickets, yeah.
My partner's driving.
He had to lock up the brakes.
And we have big trucks too with a lot of gear in it.
So we lock up the brakes.
This woman goes right through a red light, whatever.
We go up to her and it's not even going to be the riot act.
It's like, yo, you got to be careful.
I didn't go through the light.
It's like, man, listen, you went through the light.
It's not that big of a deal.
You have all your information.
You'll be on your way.
I didn't go through the light.
And I said, all right, here's what we're going to do.
Like you're kidded up too, right?
Oh, just black.
We don't have our kids, we're just blacks.
So I said, here's what we're going to do.
I'm going to walk to the back of the car, we're going to come back up and start this conversation all over, and you won't get a ticket!
I come back.
I come back up.
I said, man, did you know you went through that right back there?
You almost got us involved.
I didn't go through the light.
I said, you're going to get a ticket.
Write me a ticket.
I said, you actually asked for a ticket.
So then we have to call the patrol cops off.
You know, we're coming over.
A SWAT unit's coming over and saying, well, we got a TV art book.
Well, I've had a few instances that I always think are worth bringing up, especially when people are like, oh, Tim's always bringing up these negative stories about cops.
Okay, I had an instance in Chicago where a guy tried to mug me, and it's funny because I had no money, I was broke.
And this guy, he's like 6'5 or whatever.
And he said, he walks up to me as I'm crossing the street and he goes, Hey, why don't you give me your money out of your wallet?
You know, I need some money right now.
And I laughed, I was like, I don't have any money in my wallet.
And he's like, well, I'm trying to do the right thing right here, right now.
I mean, I'm just, I'm asking you, can I have the money?
And I said, bro, I don't have any money.
He's like, well, I do have a knife on me, so I'm just saying.
And then I laughed and I pulled up my wallet and it's dead empty, but for my ID.
And he goes, I know it's in your shoe.
As we crossed the street, this like six foot tall, fat white guy in a long coat, cop, Out of nowhere, just grabs this dude, like he walks up, grabs him by the collar, spins him around and slams him into a wrought iron fence and screams in his face, not in my town!
True story, true story.
And then there are two beat cops who come around the corner and I was like, what the?
And the guy was like, we've been following this guy.
We've been watching him walk up to people and we were waiting for a time to grab him.
It took all his information down.
And so I was like, thank you very much.
I was like, I didn't, I didn't really feel worried because I don't have any money on me.
I don't know the time when I was speeding quite significantly.
I've also had really bad instances where a cop tried planting drugs in my car, and the only reason I didn't get charged with possession of drugs which weren't mine were his, was because I had a firefighter emblem in my glove box that was my dad's, so I get pulled over, Immediately the cop walks up.
I don't smoke weed.
I've smoked.
I've tried pot one time when I was like 16 I was like, this is stupid.
I do not smoke weed now I barely ever drink maybe once or one or two drinks a year and I'm in my work uniform a jumpsuit I get pulled over car is loaded with Taco Bell wrappers and The first thing the cop does is whoa.
Whoa, geez, and I was like what he's like out of the car I smell marijuana and I'm like Is this a joke?
I work for American Airlines.
I can't smoke pot.
I'll get fired in two seconds.
They drug test you all the time.
You're dealing with planes.
Calls for backup, they come, they cuff me.
Long story short, he comes on my car with a nug of weed and he's like, confess.
And I was like, to what?
And he was like, say it's yours and this will go a lot easier.
So to your story when, you know, you walk up and say, you went through the red light, she's denying it.
I mean, mine's a little different.
The guy's trying to fall.
It was the cop's weed because I don't smoke.
unidentified
In fairness, you had all taco rappers back there too.
The cop walks back over and he's got the firefighter emblem that was still on the plastic, unpeeled and everything.
And he goes, who's a firefighter?
It's like, my dad.
Goes like that and he goes, get out of here.
And that was the end of it.
So I've had good and bad experiences.
unidentified
And you can appreciate the courtesy if it wasn't a whole interrogation over nonsense or inquisition over nonsense.
You can appreciate the courtesy.
But the problem with cops like that, and if he was trying to plant, one, what are you getting out of it?
Two, the cops that do this, Are the same cops that sit in your Valdi with their finger in the rear end for 77 minutes, all right?
So when it is time to actually be a cop, they're never around.
99% of the time, those guys aren't around because the good cops are actually chasing.
Like we used to get in the car, run warrants.
We went to armed robberies, guys with guns.
Like we wanted the big stuff like that.
Some guys were into drugs, whatever.
But you're doing actual police work.
Guys like that, and I'm not saying, like you said, Phil, You're driving 90 miles an hour or something.
Yeah, you need to get pulled over because you're going to cause a problem.
I get that.
Sure.
Absolutely.
100%.
But if you're just someone, and we have cops like this, they park, they hide behind a tree, they're pulling mom-pop cattle over, coming home from work because they went five miles an hour over the speed limit or something like that.
But there's the pressure to make sure that you have numbers that are going to represent that you're working.
So what happens when you get these guys that don't know what crime looks like on the streets, they try to go and do stops like what they did to Tim to pat these stats.
unidentified
So do me a favor and expand on that.
What do you mean when you say that guys that don't know what crime looks like on the streets?
Because I think I know what you're getting at.
I think the average person doesn't realize how much the familiarity police officers have in the community matters.
Police officers generally know the bad guys, right?
If I'm in a very nice neighborhood and I know what the cars in that area looks like and the people in that area look like, and all of a sudden I see something that looks like an anomaly in that neighborhood, It's my job to start investigating this, not to fabricate probable cause, but to find a way to, Hey, there's some crime or there's reasonable suspicion or probable cause something where I can look into this car or this ped stop or whatever the case may be and see what's going on.
See if, and if the person has a right to be there, this is where you need to take it to the next step as a cop and say, Hey, my apologies.
This is why I stopped you and give them the courtesy of understanding that.
In today's politics, let's say you're in an upscale, uh, an uppity white suburban WASPy neighborhood, and you see someone who does not fit the culture of the area.
So let's say they're, like, the clothes they're wearing seem out of place, and that in and of itself, not that big a deal, might happen.
But this person walks over to somebody who walks out of a house and they do the, you know, the quick high five, whatever, the handoff, right?
And then when the guy, you're like, okay, I think we just got a drug deal.
But then he turns around and his shirt says Black Lives Matter.
And I'm only half kidding, making this silly, but now you really do run the risk of, if you approach this guy, are you facing political repercussions because he's going to claim, oh look at me, I'm a minority in this white neighborhood wearing a Black Lives Matter and the cop came after me.
Doesn't matter how it's going to look politically.
But you're also right.
The reality of that is he's going to be on the news.
He's going to have, you know, cop watchers coming after him.
And he's probably going to find himself in a situation where his agency is going to put him on admin leave or terminate him.
unidentified
So there's one thing that you pointed out that I want to at least draw attention to.
When you say cop watchers, that's literally Antifa.
That's who they are.
They're people that are affiliated with the far left, that are affiliated with all of the whole ACAB stuff.
They're people that are constantly looking for a reason to highlight any kind of interaction that they can put into a bad light.
And this is part of the political warfare that's going on in the United States right now.
People think that it's only like pundits on TV talking smack.
It's not.
It's when activists go after normal, everyday people that are trying to do the normal, everyday things that keep our society functioning.
And the reason that you see such a spike in crime in New York City is because of these types of behaviors.
Because if a cop is afraid, I'm going to do my job and then I'm going to be on the news, it's not worth it for them because they're just trying to catch a paycheck.
They're just trying to keep their kids in school and have a 401k.
Cop watchers are the people who, when a squatter breaks into a house in New York and the homeowner calls the police, the cop watchers are there to defend the squatters.
You've got the National Lawyers Guild.
This is not a lawyer's guild, as you might think it is.
They use clever words.
These are progressive activists.
And I'll tell you the distinction.
You think the ACLU is there to defend civil liberties.
No, they're there to defend the left.
The National Lawyers Guild is not a group of lawyers to keep an eye on police.
They're there to defend the left.
Example being, about seven or eight years ago in Boston, this is about seven years ago in Boston, left-wing and right-wing groups had gathered at a park and were protesting the National Lawyers Guild Stayed with Antifa to defend them.
And I'm like, now hold on there a minute.
This is not a police versus leftist interaction.
This is a right versus left thing.
And I asked the NLG, how come you guys are only on one side?
And they're like, what do you mean?
And I was like, well, how come you weren't watching the guys over there?
In fact, the people on the right were unarmed.
They had shields.
And the people on the left had crowbars and baseball bats.
Shouldn't you be observing both for police interactions?
And they were like, what do you mean?
These organizations exist to defend people from, to defend the left in general from all threats, external police or otherwise.
unidentified
When was the last time the ACLU went to bat for Second Amendment rights?
Exactly.
Seriously.
And so these are political organizations that are tied in with activist organizations.
The people that are currently fighting with cops in Georgia, Stop Cop City, Those people, those are, again, all Antifa.
They're all connected to the far left.
They're likely all communists.
They likely all share the same politics.
And I know that it's like we're kind of honing in on the same thing frequently when we talk about communists.
But the reason is, this is a cultural revolution that touches every part of your life.
And a lot of people don't realize it.
So the reason the cops aren't enforcing the actual law in New York City is because of the politicians, and the politicians all have essentially the same political bent.
Yeah, the homeowner shows up and says, they changed my locks, they don't live here.
They had no proof they lived there, they had no lease.
The guy ends up apparently showing some kind of bill, and the cops said, that's good enough for me, and arrested the homeowner.
Why does that happen?
unidentified
That wasn't live on me, sorry.
I mean, here's the problem with that.
And this is why sometimes guys like me, you put an X on your back just because you're trying to do the right thing and, you know, there's a reason why I got the Constitution tattooed on my arm.
It's not because it looks cool, it's because you believe it.
And the problem is, and I think you used to say it during COVID, you know, they enact unconstitutional edict.
And that's what it is.
These fly-by-night laws, they try to, you know, they signed it but Pen to paper, and all of a sudden it's an executive order, and it takes how long to try and challenge that?
In the meantime, how much unconstitutionality is going on?
So when something like that happens?
No.
I'm a little older, but we used to call that, what was the word?
Burglary.
All right.
That's what it was called.
It's called burglary.
So guess what?
Pack up, beat it, or you're getting locked up.
And if you beat the case, then you beat the case.
If I get in trouble because I know I'm doing the right thing, then I'll get in trouble for doing the right thing.
In the academy, you don't study the constitution from start to finish.
You highlight mostly fourth amendment because cities are thinking about liability.
We do routine shooting every year.
Most agencies have it where at least every six months you got to requalify it because it's a perishable skill.
Well, guess what?
If you haven't studied the constitution since you were in the academy and you're five years, 10 years, the constitution needs to be something that cops go over routinely.
Why?
Because the one thing you realize is that penal code book that's bigger than a Bible has a lot of laws in there that are contrary to the constitution.
And if cops actually know the constitution, they're going to be in a position to even step back against their agency.
So just arresting somebody, you don't have to- So for all these people out there who don't get it, if you are witnessed committing a crime, they're not going to read you your rights.
They don't need to.
They don't need to- I have a witness who said you did it.
I saw you do it.
I'm a witness.
What am I- I'm not going to question you over anything.
You're going to get arrested.
unidentified
Right.
Until I start speaking to you and questioning you, there's no- I mean, you want to read them their rights, read them their rights, but as soon as you put the cuffs on them legitimately, you put them in the car, you never read me my rights.
I mean, yeah, the worst scenario that the cops should have did in this case was maybe approach it like a civil way.
You know, Hey, this, you guys go to court, but that's worse.
I mean, the cops should have taken in the squatters here and then apply, like you said, burglary, you know, if you have, if you have the, the elements of the crime for that and then let the DA's office do it on their end.
We were talking about this yesterday with these women getting punched in the face in New York.
And I tweeted out, I think it's funny that they're getting punched in the face in New York.
And, uh, oh boy, it's like a lot of people are really happy and a lot of people are very polarizing tweet, but there's even conservatives who are like, that's a weird take, Tim.
Why are you happy about this?
And I'm like, look, they arrested Daniel Penny.
They ban guns, they ban self-defense, you can't defend yourself in your own home, and people choose to live there.
And I'm sorry, like, maybe for some reason you're stuck in New York State, but you don't gotta stay in the city, and people are choosing to live here, the people of New York, 80% or whatever, are voting for these policies over and over and over again, and I'm like, look man, I am sad these women are getting punched, sure.
But the funny thing is, the eating crow, that they're willing to say, they defunded the NYPD by the tune of like 1.6, like a billion dollars.
They stripped them of funding.
And then crime spikes, they're releasing criminals from prison, arresting good Samaritans, banning self-defense, and then crying when bad things happen.
And I'm like, what am I supposed to do but laugh?
unidentified
Oh, I agree with that.
So there's a little Assumption.
I heard you were saying this the other night.
I would respectfully disagree.
I'll say why.
So, one, we have to be under the assumption that the women getting punched in the face actually voted for this, right?
If they actually, they could actually be conservative living in New York.
I mean, it does happen.
I know it's not, it's rare, but it does happen.
Maybe I'm just a little old school.
You don't put your hands on women.
That really bothers me.
And I'll give you an example of something I went through when I was still on patrol.
We get a call, basically it's a domestic and you know how they can be.
Nine times out of ten, the female, you're trying to protect her and she will go after you because now the boyfriend or husband's getting locked up.
The problem is, so in this situation, we go in, the boyfriend's all doped up, he put a licking into her, and she's all banged up.
Now she just wants to leave.
Now technically, they're maybe supposed to get locked up, but you can tell he was beating on her.
So I'm trying to get her out.
Me and my partner are trying to get her out of the house.
This dude doesn't want her to leave.
And it was like, yo, brother, you got one more time you put your hands on her and there's going to be a problem kind of thing.
And I'm talking just like this.
Calm.
It ain't going to happen.
All right.
She goes outside.
There's video cameras outside.
So, she starts to walk down the street, the guy goes to go after her again, and you see it on camera, I grab him, it was the winter time, I grab him by his coat, I put my foot behind him, take him down on the ground.
That was it.
We handcuff him, we pick him up, and actually just slide him into the car.
That was it.
He goes, now, we take him to the district, and he gets, I think it was a misdemeanor, but I can't remember exactly what it was.
He goes back, calls for a supervisor after that, because you're really, I'm sorry, it wasn't a misdemeanor, I think it was a summary.
So he's released a few hours later, okay?
Now, earlier that night, he had yellow eyes, he had like shiners, but you know, they were yellow, which means this happened days ago.
All right, several days ago.
What happens is I wind up getting deposed.
This goes into a lawsuit.
Now the girl left, she went her own way.
I get deposed, they recover the video footage.
So, I'm sitting in Liberty One, one of the biggest buildings in Philadelphia, the top floor, all right?
And you got all these, like a room like this, and they're sitting there, you know, did you do this?
Did you?
I said, no.
Well, my client says this.
I said, listen, you're telling me there's video.
Play it.
They played a video.
I said, where did I kick them?
Well, you know, you were out of view for a little bit.
I said, stop.
We had, it was one of the, so this is how bad it got.
And this is how bad the city's city solicitors are too.
Cause if you're looking at them for help, nine times out of 10, there's a reason why they're working for the city as a lawyer.
So I actually, so the guy's going, well, what about these black and blue?
What about his black and blue eyes?
I'm going, his eyes aren't black and blue.
They're yellow.
When did he say this happened?
It happened that night.
I said, so the pictures of his black and blue eyes that are yellow, that happened four hours later.
Yeah.
So I look at the city solicitor and I turn around and go, did you talk to a nurse or a doctor when he went to the, you know, the hospital to get this?
No, I didn't talk to him.
I said, don't you think you should?
Because they can probably tell you.
And then he interrupts me.
He goes, I don't need to be told how to do my job.
I said, I'm going to get a second opinion on this.
I said, because right now, so I didn't get any trouble.
I was cleared by internal affairs because there was absolutely no corroborating evidence that I did anything.
I wonder if it's all just intentionally to destroy the institution of policing in the United States, partly to replace it with communists.
I'm saying communists somewhat facetiously with their allies with the cult.
They talk about community policing, but what that really means is we want our political ideologues in the power of policing and we want these, you know, good old boys gone.
So you told the story at the beginning of the show about how they fabricated posts from you to get you fired.
unidentified
Like that that they know who you are so we don't know how that so we don't know how that happened so I mean I don't they mostly got because it started out with a thousand cops then it was 328 but everybody was saying like almost none of the cops use their actual names my my account was on private and And like I said, they grossly exaggerate things just to get the city's attention.
And then the city, instead of doing their due diligence, you know, there's no doubt.
And the woman that did this, so to go back to what you were talking about earlier, the woman that did it, her name's Emily Baker White, she's a lawyer from Philadelphia.
A lawyer, okay?
Activist lawyer, okay?
On her Twitter page, someone got, I have it on my phone.
It's actually, it's a, I want to say it's like a silhouette of a cartoon head kind of thing, like a silhouette.
And it says on top of it, if you, what was it?
If you support police, and then it has like a silhouette of a gun in, you know, in the back of the head.
So I'm like, this is the person whose word you're taking.
And look, Whatever.
Sometimes they drop it in your lap, you still have to do an investigation.
But do the investigation instead of just trying to get a confirmation.
And that's exactly what they wanted.
And the way they ran the investigation on me and 328 other cops, you know, was egregious to the point where, I mean, the arbitrators in my award for it were basically saying, did you even read his posts?
Did you even look at the videos?
You know, how come you didn't have the social media detectives?
Do the authentication.
Do you guys feel like the unions ever did anything to protect you?
Because I'm not personally like a pro-union dude.
Well the union did get my job back.
I mean we had a good lawyer.
But if you're always fighting from behind, that's the problem.
Let me just real quick show everybody how easy it is to fabricate social media posts.
So here we have a tweet from the Daily Beast which reads, The Daily Beast is fake news.
Uh, I wrote that, and it looks like a real tweet!
Look at that, it's on Twitter!
Now I can screenshot this and say, hey, look what they posted, and the average person's- I'm not going into Paintbrush, I'm not going into Photoshop, all you gotta do is right-click, inspect, the tweet pops right up, then you can go in here, and I can write whatever I want.
How about, uh, cheeseburger.
Uh, burgers are tasty.
And then bang, press enter, close it out, and now I have a Daily Beast post that says cheeseburgers are tasty.
I can then screenshot that and be like, wow, look what they did!
unidentified
So it's funny you're doing that.
So what the FOP did for, they did an example, they created a fake Facebook page and the post, the headline post was, um, I'm tired of these protesters being in the road.
I have to get to work.
I'm going to run them over.
They were doing this on purpose.
Okay.
So that was what I'm tired of.
They're getting on the road and they're getting in my way and I want, I'm going to run them over.
So the first, the first, so they created our first post and the first post was, um, How did it go?
Don't worry about it, man.
Just let the cops handle that, okay?
The second post was, I agree with that.
Then they took the first post out.
So now the second post sounds like you're agreeing.
Oh, wow.
It sounds like you're agreeing with running protesters over.
These guys, no disrespect them, it's not like they're, I mean, you just did that in 10 seconds.
I mean, it's not that hard.
And that's exactly what was going on.
And that's why they said, the city's own lawyers told them, And we have the paperwork on it.
Their own lawyers told the higher-ups, listen, you need to get basically your IT department to inspect the links.
Basically, you need to vet this correctly.
And the city didn't do it.
I mean, they got this advice from their own lawyers and still ignore their own lawyers.
Honestly, here's the scary thing, too, is a lot of this could be our adversaries.
You know, I don't want to get cliche and say China or whatever, but you look at what's going on in this country, and they talk about, in 2016, these influence operations, which they greatly exaggerated, but There's a good reason for a foreign adversary to fabricate posts, pulling up public databases, finding police officers, finding politicians, getting their jobs destroyed, and then what happens?
Who gets replaced?
Incompetent.
Incompetent individuals, amoral individuals, and it creates social degradation.
If, and to go to attempt, it wouldn't be that hard.
If you did a freedom of information request, you could see who your proactive cops are.
You could see who has the education to be the next Lieutenant, the next commander, the deputy chief.
And if these people are people that are not going to align with the political narrative you want, you could attack these people before they ever get to where they're going.
And on the opposite, set up people that are going to be on that narrative to take over the agency.
And then those same people are going to have a say in the hiring.
unidentified
This is something that's important for people that are on the right or politically conservative to understand.
There are things that you can do to help manage your local police force or manage your local government and stuff like that.
A lot of people get so wrapped up in Washington, D.C., they aren't even aware about or Aren't even aware of what they have lying in front of them that they can actually do that has an actual tangible result in six months or a year.
You could make it make some kind of change like at your, at your police, you know, your local police station or whatever like that.
You know, if you, if you have, if you're paying attention to it and you are organized with the community, but this is something that the right fails to do regularly.
So during Occupy Wall Street, for example, there was a reporting that many of the people down at Occupy were getting paid.
What happens then is your run-of-the-mill protester, who is not getting paid, starts joking around being like, where's my Soros paycheck?
I wish I was getting paid!
And then the left then mocks the right saying, haha, you made this up.
The reality is that at Occupy Wall Street, there were a handful of individuals who were working for non-profits.
And those non-profits said, hey, instead of doing your normal office work, go down and support the occupiers.
We'll keep paying you.
They were getting paid.
They were getting paid by non-profits.
Those non-profits were getting funding from George Soros, among many other organizations, and these people were providing the organizational backbone for Occupy Wall Street.
Well, what people need to understand, too, is when you have these politicians and you have these certain organizations like the Soros-funded ones, and they're talking about defunding law enforcement, people need to understand they're not talking about getting rid of law enforcement.
Right, because what happens is they want to make the U.S.
into a singular body so that the U.S.
as a whole functions like any single state does.
So right now, it's like you're Illinois.
Illinois has its own laws, its own jurisdiction, but it's a part of the union.
So when it comes to policing, it's local jurisdiction, Illinois law, cops from Indiana aren't going to come into Illinois and enforce Indiana law.
They want to take that concept, expand it.
So all policing in the United States is under federal law, but the United States is a sovereign state within the United Nations.
So what you basically do is you create blocks.
They're thinking, how can we treat the United States as if it were a single state in a union of countries?
So now you've got Canada, Mexico, the U.S., the European Union, and, you know, whatever countries, and the U.S.
is just one component.
And so imagine, instead of being able to vote for your president, You know, there's no governors anymore, there's no mayors.
You go and cast your ballot for the popular vote president, and then your president goes to a council where there is a supreme international governing body who's elected by other countries to oversee.
California is going to say our undocumented citizens have the same rights as our documented citizens.
unidentified
And I understand 10th amendment rights, like some states want to, but I don't, I don't understand how a 10th amendment right here would, would even enter the conversation.
Because the thing I genuinely do get, and this is not some kind of scientific study or anything, but I really get the feeling that most of the cops that want to do the job, not just have a job, split.
You got it.
You have to have people that want to do the thing that they're doing.
This is something that the left tends to do.
They think that that people are just cogs and replaceable.
Right.
So it doesn't matter who's in the position.
You just put someone in there, put a cog in there and it'll work because they'll do the things that that thing is supposed to do, whatever it may be, whether it's, you know, it doesn't matter what the topic is.
That's the way that people are treated.
But you have to have people that are motivated, that have a desire, because Because not every job is the same and you can get away with going to like an office job and being like, I hate this.
I'm miserable.
I have to send in these reports and I want to, you know, I hate, I hate my life like this.
Right?
But if you're doing that as a cop and you're interacting with people, you're going to have a really, really, you're going to have a laundry list of bad interactions because you don't want to do it.
And you have to want, when it comes to certain jobs, you have to care, you have But being a doctor, being a doctor, it could be anything where life is on the line, anything where you need that passion, anything.
I mean, I don't know anybody who's got a bad attitude and doesn't want to be there that somehow does a spectacular job.
But the scary thing is, it's the intent of the communists, the far left, the cultists, to create an environment where either you're a bad cop or you're in trouble.
Like right now people need to understand, and this may sound terrible, but it's the culture of it.
You have cops that are sitting, the beat cops that are sitting in their black and whites right now that are like, unless I'm distached to it, I ain't looking for nothing right now.
Because the second I find something and I do my job, I'm either going to end up in an internal affairs investigation or fired.
unidentified
It's the truth, and then it goes right back to what you just said.
You wind up going to work with that, you know.
And the thing is, like, look at the incentives laid out in front of your average officer.
Internal Affairs, fired, go through all the effort of getting this guy off the street, and then the DA lets him go.
Well, you just mentioned the DA, so if you're in Los Angeles, if you're in Philadelphia, if you're in Chicago, New York, you're not getting a I'm being nice when I say this, you're not getting a favorable district attorney.
Sure.
You're getting Soros funded.
And whether you're in Philadelphia, I mean, these are friends of mine.
You do not see them out there with their troops during the 2020 riots.
He hit a guy who needed to be struck, and he hit him across the back.
When he fell, he had a bicycle helmet on with a brim.
The brim hits the kid in the head, cuts him open.
They had the video.
They know the ASP struck him across the back.
But because he was cut here, they charged him with aggravated assault.
It was a...
Five year process?
Just got his job back.
He's going to get a boatload of money from everything, but that's what they do.
Rich Nicoletti, another good friend of mine in the SWAT unit.
We went through a SWAT school together.
They tried taking over 676, the Vine Street Expressway, which is like a massive artery through Center City, Philadelphia.
This is during the riots.
A state trooper that's down on 676, he has his car being overtaken.
He goes over the radio, asks for an assist.
The SWAT unit with Rich and a couple other people in there, they can't get up the highway now to help him because you have protesters sitting down in the middle of the interstate.
So Rich gets out, Pepper sprays them, they have masks on.
So he takes the mask off and Pepper sprays them. 100% Allowed.
I mean, it's no different than we have something at the range we call body armor.
You shoot in the chest.
You don't shoot in the head unless you have to.
But then we yell body armor.
Why?
They have a vest.
It defeats the purpose.
The mask defeated the purpose of the pepper spray.
And I know as a young cop, one of the biggest mistakes that I ever made was, you know, the week prior we're working, we get in a in-custody fight with this guy.
He ends up dying.
They end up doing the autopsy.
It's excited delirium.
But before we get that result, all we know is there was about five of us wrestling with this.
He was probably about six foot, six two, big, huge white dude.
And he dies in our custody.
The following week, I'm at work.
I get sent to a call.
Dude's in this front yard.
We don't know if it's his home.
He's broken in through the doors.
We can see that.
And he comes out and he has his hand in his back and he's saying, I got a gun.
I'm going to shoot you.
You ready to do this?
And it's on the unit, the cameras.
So like all this can be proven.
And I remember I'm looking at him, it's just me and my partner that are there and he has his back there and he's looking at my partner and then he starts getting ready to charge towards me saying that he has a gun.
And I remember the thought that came to my head is if I dump this guy, I was just in a fight with somebody last week that died in our custody.
You're doomed!
And I'm going to get left out to dry.
And so it gave me a split second hesitation.
So yeah, this guy threw out his hand, didn't have a weapon.
Turns out this dude escaped from a drug clinic and you know, You're lucky you're alive.
And I'm lucky, he's lucky, but what if it was a gun?
unidentified
Right, right.
Yeah, yeah.
And your hesitation's based on the so-called leadership around you.
And I remember I said, I will never Make the mistake of giving the perp the benefit of the doubt, because I'm worried about politics in the background.
Have you guys ever seen that video where there's a deranged guy, and he's got, I think he has a knife, and he's coming at the cop, and the cop's screaming, and the cop's not shooting, the cop's backing up saying, stop, no!
Then the cop shoots him twice, and the guy just curls, and then he gets up, and then he grabs the other cop, and then the cop with the gun screams and shoots the guy in the head with his partner right there next to it.
They seem to think that For one, like clearly they've never fired a gun in their lives.
They think you could just be like in the leg, like it's a magic laser beam that just points where you, and they also believe that shooting someone once in the chest puts them down and often does not.
unidentified
I mean, I'm a very big pro 2A guy and I carry a gun all the time.
Anytime it's legal, I'm carrying a gun.
So I do a lot of the watching stuff on YouTube about it.
I go to classes at least every year to make sure that I'm up to date on You know, the safety stuff and all the things that you would want to do if you want to be a safe, legal, gun-carrying kind of guy.
And your average person, to Tim's point, they don't know anything about what a gun does except for something comes out the front.
That's it.
They have no idea what happens to a human body when a body gets shot.
They have no idea what happens to the bullet.
They have no idea how a gun actually stops someone.
So they think you point a gun at someone and it's like magic.
And I'm not even a gun expert, but the average person has no idea what a frangible round is, has no idea what hollow point means, they think silencers go pew pew pew, they have zero idea how guns function, and then what ends up happening is that cop should have shot him in the leg.
It's like, okay, well then the bullet ricochets off the ground and hits some old lady nearby, or it does nothing, or you, like, Oh, there's no artery in the leg.
People think that, like, if you just, like you said, if you shoot them once, that's, you know, that's, they'll stop.
But the point of a gun is to, when you have a gun and once you take the gun out, you have to shoot them until they stop.
Neutralize you shoot until this they are no longer a threat so that it doesn't matter if it's one bullet or Every bullet that you have on your person you continue to shoot them until they're not a threat because they're good if the guns out they're going to kill someone or they're probably going to kill someone or the chances they're gonna kill someone and you have to act as As if they are going to kill someone.
So as a citizen, I can't just pull my gun and be like, stop it, like the police can, right?
If it comes out, it has to be because I'm using it.
But you guys, if you start shooting, it's because someone is going to die, you know?
And you have to shoot until there's no longer a threat.
I was talking about the Yelp review thing, the internet review.
You go in, 100 people go in for a cheeseburger.
They get an A-plus cheeseburger.
They say, that's what I expect.
One person comes in, they forget the pickles, I hate this place, it's the worst place, they didn't give me the pickles, and now you got all- it's so easy to get a bad review.
What we end up seeing on the internet is every instance of questionable police use of force.
And I don't even mean overtly bad, I mean like questionable as in the average person doesn't understand.
George Floyd is a good example.
They don't understand what happened because they didn't watch the full body camera footage.
They think there's some, this poor bumbly guy and they were just, they just crushed his, they don't realize the guy was doing drugs.
unidentified
They don't realize the guy was- The Imagine Rodney King.
- Yeah. - They don't see all the videos where the cops never draw their guns in the face of a gun.
- Right. - I interviewed a cop in New York 10 years ago, man, probably 12 years ago, and this is a good cop.
He said, one of the biggest problems that they have and the reason why the activists are so upset is because they're scared people holding guns Cops are not being trained properly.
They're going out and they're terrified of what's going on.
You saw the guy with the acorn hit the tree and then he unloads into the car.
unidentified
I've never seen such a severe allergy to nuts.
I'm really glad that, like, you know, nobody died in that situation, right?
You know, part of my job before, whether we were in SWAT and you were teaching active shooters or I was at the ranch as a firearm instructor and you were teaching that kind of stuff, I can tell you right now, cops are definitely under-trained.
And I think one of the biggest problems with the under-training is there's no stress.
You don't know how you're going to perform until there's stress.
And you have to put people through this kind of stuff.
And when I say stress, it doesn't have to be anything grueling, but you know, they have to run a little bit.
Get your heart rate through the roof.
And we try to teach these recruits, like, sometimes it's just as simple as running in place and the feet are going like this.
They're barely leaving the ground.
It's like, guys, You know, when we came through the academy, I came out in 2003, everybody was in shape.
Let me rephrase that.
The majority of people were in shape.
Guys played sports.
They had that more alpha mentality.
Not toxic, as they would say now, but they wanted the competition.
They wanted to push themselves harder.
Now, and this isn't everybody, I'm not an absolutist on this, but it has absolutely changed On, on that.
And I, I will always say the biggest problem with policing right now is one is leadership, two is training.
And the biggest problem with the training is it's not enough stress.
I'll say something to that, but to answer what you were saying to Tim, the other issue, why this looks so bad when you have these shootings or use of forces out there, but specifically shooting is people don't realize if, if the numbers were out there to how many times cops have drawn their guns.
And then compare that to actual shootings, people would be like, Oh my God, they actually are disciplined, but those numbers aren't out there.
And one of the reasons those numbers aren't out there is typically your city councils.
Don't want it out there because it's going to affect tourism.
It's going to affect people.
If people knew what was actually happening in their cities, it would terrify them.
But here's the story to what you were saying too, on the leadership part, we had a guy that came in.
And he was a cop in, I think, Louisiana or something like that.
And our agency spent some money to get him out to our area and, you know, put him through the Expedited Academy for California and all that.
So they spent some money on this guy.
We have them in training.
We get into a foot pursuit of a suspect, guy drops a gun during the foot pursuit, we take him into custody, we get the gun.
This guy comes forward right after that call, tells the FTO, Hey, I'm done, man.
Taking him back to the station.
He's like, what's on?
He's like, the dude had a gun.
And we're like, yeah, man, we're cops.
Like this is what we do.
But it actually set in that, man, like these guys have guns.
Administration turned around, said, think about this tonight, come back tomorrow, push the FTO to bring them back into service because, Hey, he can work through this.
We're like, this dude just told us.
That in this situation, we need him.
He can't do the job and you want to push him.
He lasted like another day or two and he was done.
But admin was willing to put this kind of guy on the street because they were looking at the checkbook of what was spent on.
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Cause they're not going to get hurt when something goes sideways.
It's not going to be them.
You can't unring the bell.
You know, like once the dude said, Hey, I'm not for this.
Like everybody around him knows, you know what I mean?
It's like, okay, this guy's already, this guy's right off the bat.
My dad was a firefighter for 20 years, he was a lieutenant in Chicago.
And I remember when I was little, he said, uh, because he works with the cops all the time, every time he goes out, cops are gonna show up, and he's like, man, you do not want to be a cop.
They give these guys shitty hours, they get shitty pay, and they have to deal with the worst human beings you could even think of, and he's like, you don't even understand how bad it is.
And he was like, one time I saw a guy just break and start screaming at some old lady for jaywalking, and I'm like, I get it.
You know, the things you have to deal with all day with, like, a guy beating his wife, a guy abusing his kids, someone selling drugs to kids, and then finally you're just tired, you're exhausted, you walk out, and then some old lady jaywalks in the middle of a crime scene, and you just snap.
And he's like, some people can't handle it.
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I think one of the greatest lines in a movie was in Training Day.
He said, you like being a cop?
He's like, should have been a fireman.
It's like every cop who's watching that movie, he's a hundred percent right.
I remember I was busting the chops on some of our firefighters.
This same week, same street, fire department gets called out to a house fire.
We used to call them the slab savers because they're not saving the house.
They're saving the neighbor's house.
Your house is done.
So this house, you know, it's toast, it burns to the ground.
Later on that week, we get called to a house party where the family calls because, you know, uncle Johnny, right, is just out of control and he's drunk.
So we get there to deal with the problem the family doesn't want to deal with.
And in the course of bringing this guy out, there's a fight.
We land on the coffee table, break the coffee table.
Who's paying for this?
Complaints put against us.
It's like, you know, sometimes the firefighters, you guys literally let a house burn to the ground and everybody's calling you heroes.
We break the coffee table and they want our badges.
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I'll tell you a story.
This is, I'm not going to name the cops, but this, this happened when I was a rookie and we were, um, our, our, our sector was the projects in South Philly.
Woman gets robbed guy comes up.
She's with her baby in a stroller.
Okay guy puts a gun to her face Give it up kid takes her purse the cops get there They chase after the dude.
He's hopping fences, okay, going through like the alleyways.
They catch up to him.
They try to pull him down.
He's trying to hop like a concrete wall fence in the backyard.
And the backyards are like 10 by 10.
And they pull him down.
And as they're pulling him down, the gun comes out.
He starts going for the gun.
Well, the cops, as he's trying to get the gun, one cop trying to pull his arm back, the other cops give him a couple shots, which I mean, I think if you're trying to pull a gun out and all I'm doing is, you know, hitting you, if you're that cop or something, it's not that big of a deal.
So they get the gun, they lock the guy up and he's got like a welt under his eye or whatever.
They take him back out to have the female ID him.
So when the cops do that, um, the female IDs him and okay, good.
They're putting them in the car and the female comes up to him and says, what happened to his face?
And they're like, well, he's trying to pull a gun out on us.
And you know, we, we had a, you know, go hands on with them.
Did you have to hit him that hard?
And I'm going, I remember hearing that and I'm like, what did, so I said to the guy, I'm like, what did she just say?
He's like, yeah, he's like kind of welcomed it down here.
I'm like, she just had a gun put in her face with her baby.
The guy tried to pull a gun on you and they're mad.
That is the least amount of force you can probably use.
And the cops were fine, clearly.
But that's the thanks you get.
Like, you almost got shot.
That's the thanks you get.
And then you wonder why sometimes cops have these mentalities.
As a very much aside, one of my favorite cop stories is me and my brother were parked down in Chicago.
And we were pulling out when a taxi comes and going, probably going like 15, not even that fast, but we're pulling out stopped, it's clear, the cab comes out from the lane to the left to try and shoot through before we pull out, hits the side of my brother's car.
And so we're just like, what are you doing?
Like...
You merged from the left lane into the right as we were turning out and hit us and he goes, you hit me!
You turned into me!
And we were like, are you kidding?
And then it's like, I'm going to the police!
And he jumps in his car and we're like, okay, I guess we're gonna follow him to the police station.
We go to the police station and there's this fat black female cop working the desk or like whatever's in the front.
And he runs up and goes, they hit me.
And she's like, whoa, calm down.
And we're like, no, no, no, no.
We were pulling out.
And then she goes, stop.
She instantly pulls two little cars out from the counter.
And she's like, what happened?
And so the guy claims he was driving straight and we turned out in front of him, hitting him.
And then we're like, we told her what happened.
And we're like, we're turning left to come out of this parking space.
He comes in the left lane to try and cut through traffic, maybe not realizing we're there, hitting the front of the car.
And then he starts yelling, no, and then she just looks at him.
She goes, mm-hmm.
And I was like, oh, this is going great.
And then she basically told him to screw off, took her information down, said, you're going to have to pay them for the damages or whatever.
But that was just a funny interaction.
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I remember where it's like, The way to stop it is have it, write it as a report, and then when they falsify it, you lock them up for falsifying.
That used to be the other thing too.
People come in with bogus complaints.
Well before, if you came in with a bogus complaint, and I don't mean like a mistake, I mean like, you're just going in to get this cop in trouble.
Before it used to be, you know, you can get, you know, this is a falsified police report.
Well, there was an incident I was involved in famously 12 years ago.
During Occupy Wall Street, there was a guy named Alex Arbuckle who said he felt that the police weren't getting a proper report, that there wasn't a proper perspective from the police's view on the Occupy protests.
Everything that was coming out was all about the police were bad, the police were doing this.
So he's like, I'm gonna go down there and document what the police are doing from their perspective of why they're arresting people.
Unfortunately for this guy, He was standing on the sidewalk, legally, taking photographs, when a cop walks up and arrests him.
And the arresting officer, I guess, hands it off to another officer who falsifies a police report saying he was standing in the middle of the street obstructing a roadway.
He wasn't.
The National Lawyers Guild found my live stream footage of the incident, which proved that not only was he not in the street, but that the police, multiple officers, had fabricated the incident and fabricated the report.
And they actually ended up discovering this evidence after the fact, after the police officer already testified falsely under oath, and nothing better happened to these cops.
They never got any reprimand or anything.
They said, ah, you caught us trying to imprison a guy for no reason.
Okay, he's free to go.
And that was it.
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And the problem is, if you're going to fabricate that, what else?
What are you really going to fabricate when you have to?
It does, because I'm sure if you look into these guys that are protected, you're probably going to find some form of nepotism or friendship or connection, something that protects them.
What if we were to separate, what if we were to break up policing into different areas?
Like when you've got civil versus criminal enforcement, when you've got the people who handle giving out speeding tickets should not be the same people who are responding to guys beating their wives and things like that.
Like completely separate departments funded differently.
That way you don't run into instances where if it comes to a protest, you have general generic cop.
And the reason I say this is because when you guys tell a story of a guy's beating his wife and you have to go to save her, there should never be a circumstance where people conflate the guy's going to save a baby from a burning building or like, you know, or from someone like a deranged drug addict with a guy who was arresting a protester and then they say, oh, you falsely arrested a protester, you're violating my rights.
So I'll disagree with this because What we need to do is make sure the caliber of people we're hiring are the best of the best, because you're supposed to be able to handle all those circumstances and do all of them well.
That's.
90% of police work, you're a secretary with a gun.
But the reason you get those good benefits and that good pay is so when that 10% call comes, you have the ability, the training, the experience to handle it the proper way.
And what made me look into this, because back then, that Louisiana guy, I was like, this guy was already a cop for like a year or something.
And I remember I went to look, and I realized that there's a lot of states... Someone needs to tell the NYPD that Wall Street is in New York.
Well, there's a lot of cops that are getting paid what security guards get paid, and I'm sorry, this is where I'll tell the public, you get what you pay for.
And NYPD, and this is probably true in many cities, they'll moonlight as security because they need to make the extra money.
So, you have in this city, during Occupy I think it was 28, I think a cop actually told me that, they were like 28k to start, but this was 10 years ago, now apparently it's 58.
But, the important thing I think we need to point out is, the corruption of New York City cannot be understated.
When I was looking up the whole Jon Stewart property tax stuff, I looked up California, Los Angeles.
There's a house listed at $100,000,000 in Beverly Hills.
Tax assessment, $90,000,000.
Oh, that makes sense.
Tax assessor came in and said, this is a $90,000,000 property.
They went, okay.
Person who owned it said, well, I want to sell it for $100,000,000.
Totally fine.
In New York, the city said Jon Stewart's penthouse was $1.8 million.
He had bought it for six, sold it for 17.5.
All of these ultra-rich people are doing this real estate game in New York where they know the real value of the penthouses, but the city drops the value down to some fabricated 10% number.
I mean, this is a problem.
Jon Stewart had the city claim his property was worth 10% what it really was, so he didn't have to pay his actual tax rate, which should have been 10 times more.
And that money could go to proper funding of police, proper funding of everything.
They don't do it.
And what do they do instead?
City income tax, giving New York City, I believe, the highest income tax rate with city, state, and federal.
But the ultra-rich who own the properties and trade them amongst each other pay property tax as if it was only worth 10% of what it was.
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It's a shame because I want to like Jon Stewart because I have a lot of respect for what he did down 9-11.
Absolutely.
For all the, all the first responders.
I mean, he was up there and he was like in tears.
I had a lot of respect.
I still respect that.
I'm not going to take that away from him.
But it's like, man, you went a long way from that to this, you know?
But there's so much circular corruption too, because the same people that are doing those assessments are the same people that work with the city attorneys that work with the commissioner's office.
Like it's all the people that are supposed to audit and check all these things.
They're all in the loop of this corruption.
I don't know how familiar you guys are with Sal Greco.
He was let go because of his connection, his friendship with Roger Stone.
They made all these other issues.
He was working with NYPD as well.
But he talks about this like bar restaurant.
They're known as concert Frito And you have all these politicians and corrupt people that are going there where you have a criminal that owns it It all these violations of city ordinances and all this stuff and nobody does anything about it Why?
I was saying this back in 2020, that we should be funding police, not defunding.
Like, if the issue is they think cops are doing bad jobs, I'm like, sounds like you need better training and you need better pay.
Sounds like you need a higher quality.
Like, it's like you guys, you get what you pay for.
You're buying gas station sushi.
Don't be surprised if you get, you know, you run to the bathroom afterwards and you're thrown up a little bit.
You put more money into it, you get better training, more frequent training, you get higher quality individuals with just whatever standard you can increase, you're going to have a better outcome.
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I don't disagree, Tim, but to circle back to what Phil said earlier, they did that in Atlanta, Georgia, and they tried bombing, they tried knocking down the building or whatever they're protesting.
They're two or three days into this and then all of a sudden they're presented with the scenario, you know, shoot, don't shoot, you know, strike, don't strike.
Does that cop have the mentality, the rest, to make the best decision in that situation?
So when it comes to, you mentioned not having a ticket book even, this means that you have to use police discretion as to which laws you enforce and when you enforce them.
Well, just like, let's say you're walking on the street and you see a guy mugging a woman, and then you see a guy with a gun pointed at a baby, you have to choose which one you're actually going to deal with.
Yes.
It's not even a question of if, it's a question of, well, quite literally.
So, have there been instances in your guys' experience where you're like, There is maybe like a disorderly conduct going on or whatever, but I'm actually investigating something much more serious, so I don't have time for that, and you overlook it or something.
There's a lot of times you're on, you know, petty crimes is what we'll call them, and a hot call goes out, you know, a life-threatening one, a priority call, and you're clearing that scene.
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Yeah, we had a guy doing a car stop before it turned into a live stop, which is basically the car's getting towed because maybe the The driver didn't have insurance or expired registration, whatever, suspended license, whatever it may be.
So the cop's on that and he's doing a live stop and three or four blocks, it's about three blocks away, all of a sudden you hear foot pursuit.
They come over at a priority.
These cops are chasing a guy with a gun.
All right.
Shot was fire too.
All right, by the bad guy.
that cop stat on that live stop and I guess a sergeant drove by and saw it and he read him the riot act and he was like well it was a live stop I couldn't just leave he's like you have two cops one they just got shot at they're two three block three blocks away they're yelling foot pursuit shots fired you're sitting on a and guess why that guy he heard it from everybody so but I mean that now clearly that that's one of those ones where that should have been a very easy call Leave the car, take the keys, so they can't even drive away.
Something that's in the world of what you're talking about too, Tim, is, and I don't know if this is where you're getting at, but there's, there's also the letter of the law versus the spirit of the law, you know, and that's where we get a lot of discretion.
But this is also, and this may be unpopular with a lot of my brothers and sisters that wear the badge still, we shouldn't be hiring cops at 21.
You, you haven't had enough life experience to understand the part of spirit of the law.
Yeah.
And a situation that cops have to recognize is there's a lot of authority that comes with this job.
I mean, the community's giving you authority to take life at some point or to put somebody's name on paper, which is going to affect the rest of their life.
She gets pulled over a couple of miles over the bridge.
And when the cop walks up to the car, she says, you know, I'm, I'm a good person doing the right thing.
So the officer, I just want to let you know that I have my concealed carry with me.
And he said, Oh, can you come out of the vehicle?
And she goes, sure.
He's like, can you show me your, your, the weapon?
And she says, yes, I have it right here.
And I have my concealed carry permit and said, okay.
Put your hands behind your back.
You're under arrest.
It's a felony.
Arrested her and threatened her with, you know, four to eight years or whatever in prison.
The general consensus from the people in Jersey at the time, like the gun store owner, is that this is what I... And I agree with the assessment, but I don't know if it's, you know, this is what they told me.
And these are guys who were like former cops in the area.
They said, he should have just told her to, ma'am, get back in the car.
I'm going to drive you back across the bridge, leave that at home and come back to Atlantic City.
That's a felony.
Is that something that you guys, I mean you're a Philly cop.
Is that something that, I can't speak for Jersey, but is that something you could do?
Let's say a known drug dealer, Who is, you know, who just got out of prison, has a concealed gun, crosses over and gets pulled over, and he's got a warrant related to drug charges, and he informs the cop, I have a gun.
Then I think, yes, put him in cuffs immediately.
You say, you are a criminal, you are wanted for a crime, and you're carrying a weapon.
That's reasonable.
Some old lady who was going to gamble in Atlantic City who didn't understand she couldn't do that and she thought her permit was good is a turnaround ma'am don't do this again because we all get in trouble.
There was another instance in Illinois where a woman came up from Tennessee I believe and she had a revolver of some sort and a concealed carry.
She was a tourist visiting family and she went to the Sears Tower.
I will never call that thing the Willis Tower.
Is that what it's called now?
Yeah they call it Willis because a company bought the rights or whatever because Sears is like breaking apart.
Yeah, no, it's Sears Tower and it'll always be because we don't like change, you know, we're... But anyway, uh, this woman, she was going up to the sky deck or whatever it's called.
That might be John Hancock, I don't know.
She was going up to the top floor to look out the window and they have security protocol and she said, oh, I just want to let you know I have my weapon with me.
And they were like, oh, can you show us?
You're under arrest, ma'am.
She got four years, I believe.
I believe they locked her up and she was like 65 or something.
- Who are the juries? - But now, hold on.
The reason I bring up this scenario is it's a bit different.
She's in a large skyscraper building.
There are cops everywhere.
It's not a situation where they could easily say, ma'am, turn around, get in your car and go home.
No, she's hundreds of miles from home and there's no quick way to leave Illinois with that weapon.
What could a cop do in that circumstance other than arrest her?
Could you just simply say we're confiscating the weapon?
They can keep it in safekeeping and then find a way to get it back home.
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Like there's ways to- You can get mailed your own handgun if it is- If it is already in your name, you can have it mailed back to you.
You actually have to send it to an FFL so that way they can run to the- The legal way to do it is they'll send it to an FFL.
I don't believe if it's already in your name.
I don't think- I promise everybody's going to Because anytime you send a gun to do anything, like anytime I send any of my guns out to go get any work done, and when I get it back, I have to get it back sent to the gun shop.
No, see in Pennsylvania it wasn't like that.
So I had a problem with a gun.
I had to send it back to Smith & Wesson.
I sent it to FedEx.
You have to send it a certain way.
I don't think it can go ground.
I think it has to go air or whatever.
They sent it back to my address with Like, back in the air, I had to sign for it, but I didn't have to go to an FFL.
It must be that you're a police officer or something.
It is my understanding that this is a federal law, and so I'm going to tell you what my understanding is only.
I'm not going to argue about what did or did not happen.
I gotta lock myself up.
My understanding.
My understanding is anytime you give your firearm away, anytime you take possession of a firearm from a gunsmith or anything, if it was out of your possession, you need to file a 4473 because it is possible that during the time that you did not have the firearm, you committed an act that would make you Make you a prohibited person, and then they would have to go ahead and pop on the next check.
On the badge of every officer nationwide, there will be a number, and that's your approval rating among the public, so they'll rate you in real time on an app.
Then you know when you get a cop who's got a score of like 100%, it's like, he's gonna let me do whatever I want.
He's gonna be like, just give me five stars and you can go deal drugs, I don't care.
But the main point I'm bringing up is like, a certain reality is, like when I was talking about internet reviews, there's very rare circumstances where I believe a cop could find himself as being happy with the person in front of him being happy.
Like, I mean, maybe you're getting a cat out of a tree or something, and the old lady's like, wow, thank you so much.
But typically, the person you're interacting with, I imagine, is someone who's doing bad things, who's mad at you.
Especially dispatch two calls, you know, 99% of the calls that people are calling 911 is because that is the most traumatic day of their life to where the only remedy is calling 911.
So it's starting off already from the negative and then you got to get there and resolve it.
I think, you know, my initial question was going to be something pertaining to solving the issue of, you know, negative view of policing and all the stuff.
I think the real issue is communists are intentionally trying to destroy the institution.
Frame every possible interaction as the worst thing in the world.
Only ever highlight the worst possible interactions.
And there's not an equally organized force on the right to highlight the important and good actions of police officers.
It's an entire culture change that has to take place.
First, on law enforcement, people need to understand, at the rank and file level, you know when they were first talking about body cameras coming out?
And all you heard on the media is, cops are against it, cops are against it.
No, we weren't.
We, we love the idea of body cameras because it's no longer, you're not taking my word for it anymore.
When the citizen says, Hey, that cop, you know, MF me that entire traffic stop, you know, we would self record, you know, other recorders to prove because all body cameras do is they save us from these allegations.
And then with that is, and I say that to say this transparency.
Like as an agency, just have complete transparency because then there's no question about it.
If citizens, and granted there are stipulations to that, you know, child crimes, sexual assault crimes, but outside of those, you know, specific scenarios, if somebody wants information, pay the cost of the copy, give them the report, let people have it.
So this way there's no suspicion because even a good call, when you make it so hard for people to get the information, people automatically defer to the thought process of what are they trying to hide?
Yeah.
And then on the other side of that is we need, because media, mainstream media is always going to highlight the negative, the bad shoots, the bad use of force.
We need alternative media to bring the good stories to light, the stories that mainstream media is never going to share to start changing the culture of how people see law enforcement.
And then, but the other thing too is law enforcement The one thing, I had a good chief and he used to always tell us, why do we do these good things?
Why do we go above and beyond?
And he goes, because we've got to build credit with the city.
Because at some point we're going to make a mistake.
We're human.
And when we make that mistake, this line of credit that we have with the community, they're going to be understanding.
Right now, especially with the lockdowns and the law enforcement, you know, enforcement of those policies, we've expired all the credit that we've had as law enforcement as a nation.
And cops right now need to just be willing to do the right thing, even if it's going to cost them their job, because the community is not going to accept anything else right now.
And it's like, there's, it's almost illogical, like it's a brain rot.
Like certainly no sane person, even in the Soviet Union and in whatever communist country they dream of living in, they arrested people like crazy.
I mean, the story that I'll have to cite from Solzhenitsyn is, it was one of the Red Army guys is about to be stabbed, so he stabs the guy, killing him, and they said, you should have fled.
Like, they would arrest everybody.
What is this world they live in where they're like, no one should get arrested no matter what, even if they have corpses in their own home?
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I feel like with some people, it's impossible to convince people of truths when they are paid to believe lies.
I think that's a problem, too.
Do they actually believe it?
Maybe they do.
Like you said, maybe they aren't that cold.
Or some people are just like, no, they are paid to believe lies.
And they are chomping at the bit to be able to go and do what their brains want to do, knowing that no one's going to be there to hold them accountable.
There are people there that will do the worst things to children, the worst things to the elderly.
There are people that will kill without remorse.
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There is pure evil out there.
If you've done this job long enough, you just look at people like I have no idea.
But there's also the issue that I think we're seeing, and my bigger concern is over the past few years, the evil people have been doing everything in their power to replace good cops with evil cops.
And then I watch a video, you know, a year or so later, Antifa is threatening a guy who's backing up with his hands up, and the cops jump out of the car and grab the victim and arrest him.
And then apologize to Antifa, saying, sorry about that, ma'am.
It's like they've gotten to the point where they have found people who are either ideologically aligned or, I don't know, got dollar signs in their eyes, and it's like, I'll do whatever you say for a paycheck.
So the cops, who are actually like, I want my neighborhood to be better, have like, no way, I can't do this.
But you let that narrative run away and it catches fire, you're not recovering from that.
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But the corruption that happened after that, I'm sorry, the medical examiner, what did he say?
Something like, this is the kind of stuff will end people's careers or something like that?
He said because they found out, I guess he was saying that it wasn't, I'm sorry, the medical examiner saying this is from fentanyl or something like that.
The medical examiner said that it was compression of the neck resulting in asphyxiation or whatever.
But he did have lethal amounts of fentanyl and norfentanyl and marijuana and amphetamines and nicotine in his system.
And he had COVID, by the way.
And so it's funny because, you know, I wonder, like, I mean this legitimately, if the COVID played a role in his inability to breathe.
I certainly think the fentanyl played a role in all that stuff.
But they said, you know, asphyxiation, complicating, blah blah blah, or something.
But the real issue with George Floyd is, you know, look, that's fine.
I'm not going to argue the medical examiner stuff, by all means.
The medical examiner said that.
But he's on camera saying, take me out of the car, put me on the ground, put me on the ground, put me on the ground.
He's resisting.
The craziest thing to me about the George Floyd case was that the...
The prosecution's own witness testified that Derek Chauvin was entitled under their use of force policy to escalate to a taser and chose to use a lesser means of force, which is... The training book they have shows a guy kneeling on the back of the neck like that, or on the top around the neck area.
There's like a training book.
They showed that.
They actually said in the use of force continuum, like, well, based on George Floyd resisting and saying, take me out of the car, he was entitled to actually tase the guy.
He chose not to do that.
They still convicted him.
And it's fairly obvious why.
There's guys outside with bricks threatening to kill anybody who acquits...
Derek Chauvin.
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I think everybody's a little guilty in this one.
I'm a fan of Chauvin.
I do believe that George Floyd having the drugs in him.
I think, yeah, but this was, we all knew there was going to be zero due process.
One of the cops who originally got sentenced to like some ridiculous amount of time, all he was doing was standing in front of the crowd with his hands up.
Part of the problem here is people don't realize the meatiest town you want to think.
And here's a perfect example.
We all know the unfortunate shooting that happened with the Kansas City Chiefs a few weeks ago at the Superbowl.
If you go through and look at the video, there's a picture where they got one of the suspects down and guess where the cop has his knee?
Exact placement.
And nobody's complaining about it.
Why?
Because that's something we've been told where they're heroes.
This is a heroic thing.
It's people don't understand how much that they're being told what to think.
I had a boxing coach that told me this, we're talking about fights.
He goes, who do you think won the fight?
And I told him and it lined up with, you know, what the score card and what the announcers and everybody was saying.
He goes, go back and watch the fight.
He goes, but just have your TV on mute.
And then tell me who watched it, who won the fight.
And that principle applies to all this as well.
I think is if you watch something without people telling you what to think and then develop your opinion and then see what the narrative is, you're going to be able to identify, Hey, what's going on.
And when you guys look for it, the scene looks like it looks like they're already on the outside where there's like a telephone pole group of people that are walking.
And there's a couple of cops around.
You'll see one that has his knee on the back of the guy's shoulder.
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That goes back to what we were saying earlier, too.
Who are the people giving the commentary?
Usually people have no clue about what they're talking about.
Not only do they have no clue, but they're skilled at talking.
If they're, you know, talking heads, they do this kind of stuff regularly.
So they're skilled at painting a narrative, and they've got images that are already going to back up the narrative that they want to go ahead and push forward.
And it looks like there's more people around it, too.
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Yeah.
So what do you guys think about the idea of every police officer requiring every police officer to achieve at least a blue belt in jujitsu?
Or at least some, maybe not a blue belt, maybe, but at least training to know how to interact with someone physically, because a lot of times police officers don't know how to safely interact with someone physically.
And then there's fear.
And if you're in, if you're not confident that you can do something, you know.
So you would have to have some type of ground fighting that is specifically designed off of what these guys and men and women are wearing.
Like you would have to have something like that.
But the other thing too, is we have to have a standard in law enforcement.
How many times have you seen a cop that's 360 pounds?
Oh yeah.
If I'm going to fight for my life, you know, with a suspect on the other side of a six foot brick wall, this dude ain't going to jump over the wall to save me.
There needs to be, you know, we have incentives for being healthy.
It needs to be removed is, hey, every year, this is the job you chose.
This is the fitness standard.
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But in major cities, how many people are they going to lose if you hack?
To avoid being dead, it's probably going to turn into lethal force.
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If you can't fight, you go to the quickest way out.
That's something that I want to point out here.
You mentioned, people said, why do you want to have a cop that's so big?
And why do you want to be physically fit?
Because I want them confident.
Because I want them to be competent.
I want them to know going into the situation that they're in control, that they're not going to be overpowered.
I want them to know that when they get there and if they have to interact, they're in a position where they know how to interact, even if it's physically.
That's part of the reason why I brought up jujitsu is because I want them to know how to control the body.
I want the biggest damn cop You could possibly imagine coming when I say I need a cop and I don't want to be fat.
I want him to be Arnold Schwarzenegger. - But you're making too much sense now. - But that's the point.
And one more thing that I wanna point out.
One more thing I wanna point out.
This goes to the fact that the average person doesn't know anything about violence.
They don't know anything about guns.
They don't know anything about these things.
And then they wanna go ahead and complain and say, "Oh, well, you can't do this and you can't do that." My brother, you have never put hands on another human being and you've never put hands on another human being that's larger than you. - Let me take it a step further with that.
And as a cop, and this is what I would ask trainees when I was training, when you realize there is a difference between somebody who's fighting you to get away and somebody who's fighting to hurt you or kill you.
And when you realize that the person you're fighting with is not trying to get away, but they want to take you out, there is something mentally that changes in that scenario.
And if you are not built for that, this is going to be a lot of trouble.
Remember that call I told you as a young cop that I regretted because I put myself in danger.
You have a RoboCop or a Cyborg cop or something like that and it's fed that scenario.
That cop is, you know, that robocop is shooting that suspect every single time.
Now in that situation, it worked out the guy was unarmed, but in other situations where that, you know, the quote unquote math of that scenario is run, you're going to have people that are being killed that don't need to be killed.
So let's just talk about the misconception of bringing a knife to a gunfight.
You hear that saying, never bring a knife to a gunfight.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm pretty sure if you're in close quarters, you don't want to bring a gun to a knife fight.
But for a lot of people who don't understand, they think, oh, shoot, for one, shoot the knife out of his hand, or he only had a knife, he didn't have a gun.
But you guys, you're trained for this.
Can you explain to people the serious nature of what a knife really means?
I think they increased it to 26 feet now too, but we always know now.
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Oh, because people are getting fatter.
It's true though.
I forget what the, I forget, it starts with a W, I forget what the rule is, but it's a 21 foot rule where they basically have, the average person is 20 feet away, 21 feet away from a police officer.
It takes that, that is the distance it takes for a police officer to draw his weapon and fire a shot.
So they use that as a 21 foot rule.
Anything that's closer, they consider like the red area.
And then if he's further away, I guess you have yellow and then, you know, whatever.
But no, I mean, it's the truth.
And I can tell you right now, I think it's supposed to be like 1.5 seconds.
I'm pretty sure that's what it's supposed to be.
I can teach people to shoot.
I can tell you right now, 95% of people cannot pull their gun out of their holes and have an accurate shot in 1.5 seconds.
If you've ever been tased, and this is one of the reasons they make us get tased, is to understand how much it incapacitates you.
And if you're a cop, and a bad guy pulls out a taser, and he incapacitates you, well now he has access to every single weapon.
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We had to get tased going in the air.
That took two years off my life.
The average person needs to understand that, and because of the fact that I carry a gun, When you have a gun, be it a police officer or someone else, if there is a chance of you losing consciousness, you have to treat that as if you are going to die.
That's what people don't understand.
A police officer has his gun.
If he's getting choked out, he must use lethal force to not be choked out and not lose control of that gun because not only could the police officer die, That means that the person has a weapon that's loaded with a whole lot of bullets and everybody around is in danger now.
If you're a private citizen and you're carrying a gun, this is why you are obligated to de-escalate.
You don't go to the gun to intimidate, you are obligated to de-escalate and get yourself out of there.
You should always be de-escalating, especially if you carry a weapon.
It's usually easier if you carry a gun.
It's much easier if you're kind of, I mean, I carry all the time too.
It's much easier to walk away from a fight when you have a gun because you have that responsibility and you're like, all right, just, I don't, I don't, I don't need to.
I just don't need to.
Yeah.
I mean, look, man, even if, cause if you get into a gun fight or you, you have to use your gun, Right?
It's going to cost you $50,000 to $100,000 to keep you out of jail if you did every single thing right.
And people don't realize, but the use of force is like a light switch, especially for citizens.
You can be in a confrontation, and it can be, okay, now it's acceptable to use force.
And then something happened, and then it literally...
If someone's watching, it's no longer acceptable to use force.
And then, again, in the same interaction, it can go back to being acceptable.
Because when you get shot, if someone goes down, the reason they go down is because the blood pressure lowers.
When you lay down, the blood pressure comes back.
So you shoot someone, they go down, it's like, okay, you think the threat's over, right?
Well, guess what?
Homeboy just got a one-up, and now he's getting up and he's gonna shoot at you again.
And these are things that people that don't go to classes about guns, that have never been in a physical interaction, whether it be an actual fight or going to jujitsu and some kind of martial arts, people don't have any kind of relationship with violence.
They don't understand it.
And then they go ahead and they say, well, cops are bad because man, that guy died in this interaction.
It's like, well, what do you know about the interaction?
It's very tough to talk to anybody who hasn't been in any kind of physical confrontation, let alone a gun fight.
I mean, anybody who's been in a shooting will tell you, You don't even hear the weapon.
Barely.
You barely hear the weapon go off.
You get tunnel vision.
You forget things.
I mean, there's a lot going on, and you're asking someone, then you have a jury of your peers.
I'm being respectful, but I mean, are they really my peers?
How many people in this jury have been involved in something like this where they can go, I sympathize because I understand what he went through?
I've never been in war conflict, I've been in urban conflict, been shot at several times, and there's this thing that I've experienced, I don't know if everyone experiences this, but they say time slows down, and what it actually feels like is...
For me, when I was in Ferguson, they started shooting at us.
Two instances of getting shot at.
The first one, as soon as I heard a whip crack, which basically means the bullet's very close, I just body slammed myself.
I didn't try to dive or roll, I just fell straight to the ground, launched myself onto the pavement.
Any damage to my hands is better than a bullet to the back of the head.
But the way I describe it, Is it's like, normally when I'm looking at something, I'm focused on it.
Now I have my peripheral vision and I could kind of focus on that, but you can sort of see.
As soon as the gunshot is heard, it feels like my entire field of vision is the focal point, as if I'm processing all the information, everything I can see at once.
I feel like the reason it seems like time slows down is because the adrenaline surge Your brain starts processing all of the information at once, so it, like, 100 times the information feels like times slower, it's actually just... So, I don't know, that's just... There's a lot going on in the body when a shooting happens.
All completely different experiences, aside from the different scenarios, like the experiences, like the first one, my ability to hear was enhanced.
Like even when the suspect was in the back of the house and there was a glass break, like I even said, oh, the rear slider towards this side of the house, like you're that in tune.
I had another one where the guy's shooting at me during a pursuit and I could, this one was, like you said, everything slowed down.
I could literally see the rounds Hitting the street and then sparking, hitting the hood of my car, sparking.
So it's a different experience for all of them.
But the other thing that happens is your body, your body shuts down everything it doesn't need and pumps that blood and oxygen to the things that it does need.
So there's this, there's a lot that's going on in these things.
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I describe it as like when you're in the cold, what's the first things to get cold?
Hands and feet.
Your body doesn't need them.
It goes to the organs.
So the same thing, if you're, If you're involved in a shooting, it shuts your ears down and your vision becomes so enhanced.
The problem is it becomes tunnel most of the time, but your vision becomes enhanced because if it sees that gun, this is what it starts to say.
People want to check out my podcast on Rumble, The Alpha Warrior Show, or get in the trenches of the information war with me on X, and it's X Alpha Warrior X. Right on.
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I got in trouble last time, so I'm just trying to stay off it.
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