The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #23 - Legalizing Sex Work, Is Porn Bad For Society w/Debra Lea & Delta Hill
Aired: 2023-07-28
Duration: 02:05:04


=== Consenting Adults and Sex Work (15:16) ===

[00:00:01]  There's a big debate over sex work that's been going on on Twitter for quite some time, and I guess it's been going on for a very, very long time.
[00:00:06]  The question of whether or not sex work is actually work, whether it's comparable to any other job, whether or not it should be legal.
[00:00:13]  There's a whole lot of other things in this area, particularly with OnlyFans.
[00:00:17]  You've got stories of many women quitting their professions to just become what they would describe as OnlyFans models, and you also have the massive expansion of porn.
[00:00:27]  And you have many prominent figures talking about men getting away from porn addiction.
[00:00:30]  So, boy, we got a whole lot to talk about in this episode of The Culture War, and we've got a couple people joining us to talk to us about it.
[00:00:36]  Do you want to introduce yourself?
[00:00:37]  Hi, everybody.
[00:00:37]  My name is Debra Lea.
[00:00:39]  Thanks for having me, Tim.
[00:00:40]  Who are you?
[00:00:40]  What do you do?
[00:00:41]  I am from New York City.
[00:00:42]  I'm a conservative social media influencer.
[00:00:44]  I go on the news to give political commentary, and I've been involved in the conservative online culture war for the past four years now.
[00:00:50]  And simply put, you do not think that sex work is work?
[00:00:54]  I think that prostitution should remain illegal and that it should not be decriminalized and we should not encourage women to get into this line of work.
[00:01:01]  Alright, we also have?
[00:01:02]  Delta Hill, also known as Molly Smash, so definitely smash that like button while you're at that.
[00:01:08]  That's right!
[00:01:08]  You wanna pull the mic up?
[00:01:12]  Here we go.
[00:01:13]  Um, I am a best-selling author.
[00:01:15]  My first book was Sexual Liberty, Memoirs of a Sex Worker's Fight for Freedom, and An Anthropologist.
[00:01:22]  And your position, of course, is?
[00:01:24]  Full decriminalization.
[00:01:25]  Full decriminalization.
[00:01:27]  So, uh, let's just start right away, then.
[00:01:29]  Why decriminalize sex work?
[00:01:31]  Well, first, how do you define sex work?
[00:01:34]  What does it specifically refer to?
[00:01:35]  Um, it's anybody who decides to sell their services and labor, this being sex, obviously, in exchange for monetary gain or goods of equal value.
[00:01:48]  So, of course it is work.
[00:01:50]  I don't think that it's the debate of it being work because it definitely is the oldest profession.
[00:01:55]  I think that the debate now is why should we decriminalize and what will it do to make Both women and men safer in the industry and victims as well, so.
[00:02:10]  So just first off, I would have to disagree that it's the oldest profession.
[00:02:13]  I feel like that would be a shepherd.
[00:02:15]  You know, biblical characters were shepherds.
[00:02:17]  They were selling the sheep.
[00:02:18]  That was herding the sheep.
[00:02:19]  That was kind of the oldest profession because the Bible is our oldest historical document.
[00:02:24]  But I agree with you that it's not necessarily a debate about whether it's work or not.
[00:02:28]  It's definitely a debate about should this be allowed in society?
[00:02:31]  Should our government, how should they legislate certain things like this?
[00:02:34]  Does the government have a hand in morality?
[00:02:36]  And I would absolutely say that Laws are morality in a sense, where the government does have a huge hand in protecting the vulnerable, protecting the weakest members of society from evils like prostitution, like sex trafficking, and a lot of these women, there's this lie that the majority of prostitutes are at will and that they're doing it like OnlyFans, but 1%, according to data from the Nordic Model now, only 1% of all women in prostitution
[00:03:00]  I don't think that it should, I think we should do everything we can to end this industry and to get women into safer lines of work and to stop men's demand for sex because they don't have a right to other people's sexual organs.
[00:03:16]  I'm not so, uh, you both said that it's work.
[00:03:20]  I'm not so convinced in a certain context that it is, because it's clearly distinct from what we describe as work.
[00:03:25]  Yeah.
[00:03:25]  And, you know, even the fact that it is illegal today, in many contexts, I think, is it legal in Nevada?
[00:03:31]  I don't know.
[00:03:32]  It is.
[00:03:32]  It's legalized in Nevada, and in Chicago they have the Nordic model.
[00:03:37]  They have specific laws about it, though.
[00:03:38]  In Nevada, it's only in towns that have residents and less than 400,000 members, and it's only within brothels.
[00:03:45]  So you can't be on the street prostituting yourself.
[00:03:47]  So basically survival sex workers are still fined and left with, you know, no option if they can't get into the brothels.
[00:03:57]  They sort of work around it, I guess, because when you're in Vegas, you'll, like, come back to your hotel room, and they push these cards under your door or whatever, and it's just, like, a bunch of scantily clad women on cards, and you're supposed to be like, ooh, which one will I pick, or whatever.
[00:04:09]  Right.
[00:04:09]  And then, of course, they're doing, like, room calls and stuff, so I think everybody in Vegas knows it's illegal to do, but they all do it anyway.
[00:04:17]  Right.
[00:04:19]  I guess my view is, and we'll kick it off because I tweeted about this and I guess mostly sex positive, like pro-sex work leftists got really mad at me because I was seeing a lot of people say sex work is work and so what I said was Something like, if sex work was work, then a boss could require a female secretary to provide blowjobs as part of her job.
[00:04:40]  That if it was the same thing as anything else, that if we were really just like, you know, you can hire a janitor, you can hire a sex worker, what's the difference?
[00:04:49]  It's all work.
[00:04:50]  Then a boss could create a job description and say, I need someone to do my laundry.
[00:04:54]  Well, yeah, if it is in the job description, I absolutely do agree that Yeah.
[00:04:58]  They could do that.
[00:04:59]  If that was part of their job and they agreed to it, it was in their job description, they have consented to it.
[00:05:05]  Do you think men should be allowed to request that though?
[00:05:07]  Do you think an employer?
[00:05:09]  I think men and women both because actually half of my, well not anymore because I'm retired, but half of my clients were women.
[00:05:16]  So it is not just men.
[00:05:17]  But a man in a position, I think within what you're saying, so I would disagree that it was work, I was just agreeing that the conversation right now is not necessarily is it work or not, but to speak on that point, I think it's work in the same way hiring a hitman is work, where you can hire anybody for a job.
[00:05:34]  I definitely don't think a victimless situation is comparable to murdering somebody.
[00:05:38]  I don't think prostitution is victimless at all.
[00:05:40]  I think every single woman who involves themselves in prostitution is harmed, whether they want to admit it or not, psychologically, physically, mentally, emotionally.
[00:05:47]  Well, I mean, we could agree that with any job you're Definitely subject to some sort of mental and physical, you know, I would disagree.
[00:05:57]  I have a job.
[00:05:58]  I love it.
[00:05:59]  I've been working.
[00:05:59]  I mean, I do too though.
[00:06:00]  I've been working in sex work for 10 years and I've also been studying it for 10 years and I'm doing pretty good myself.
[00:06:07]  Well, I'm not at risk to be violently attacked by a man.
[00:06:10]  Absolutely.
[00:06:10]  Absolutely.
[00:06:11]  And here's the argument.
[00:06:12]  But real quick, what if you worked at a nightclub?
[00:06:15]  Well, I personally would never because I think it's very important for women, I was raised like this, I think it's extremely important for women to go out of their way to protect themselves and keep an eye out for their safety.
[00:06:25]  I spoke about Brian with this on the way here that I, in college, I went to University of Maryland just nearby, I would never be alone in a room with a man that I don't know, I would never go on a date with somebody that I had never met and just meet up with them.
[00:06:36]  There are so many ways that women can just be attacked, trafficked, hurt, and so I take extra precaution to make sure that I'm never putting myself in a position to be hurt, and I think prostitution actively puts a woman in the position to be taken advantage of to be hurt in a way that jobs, professional jobs, do not.
[00:06:53]  They have protections.
[00:06:53]  I definitely don't disagree with you, so I want to make it clear that I absolutely do not encourage anybody Under any circumstances to get into this industry right now because it is unsafe and at least until it is decriminalized, let's put it this way, at least until it is decriminalized because that's where we start.
[00:07:13]  When New Zealand decriminalized, and this is the gold standard, when New Zealand decriminalized sex work, this led to an immediate decrease in the amount of people partaking in consensual sex work.
[00:07:25]  So even from a moral standpoint, if you want less people partaking in sex work, Decriminalization is the only option.
[00:07:33]  Legalization leads to more human trafficking.
[00:07:36]  So, it's obviously off the table.
[00:07:38]  So, I wanted to go back to that point I was making about a boss having a job requirement.
[00:07:42]  You said, if they consent to it, it's totally fine.
[00:07:46]  Here's the question I have.
[00:07:47]  Do men and women, and I think the trope is predominantly women, sleep with their male bosses in exchange for promotions?
[00:07:55]  Yeah.
[00:07:55]  They do?
[00:07:55]  That happens anyways.
[00:07:56]  Has that ever happened?
[00:07:59]  There's no law on the books that will stop that.
[00:08:01]  Government cannot legislate morality.
[00:08:04]  It is not going to happen.
[00:08:05]  But it is taboo.
[00:08:06]  Quid pro quo.
[00:08:07]  And it should be.
[00:08:08]  Quid pro quo should be.
[00:08:10]  Any sort of exploitation or coercion should be.
[00:08:13]  It should be.
[00:08:14]  Right.
[00:08:14]  Should be what?
[00:08:15]  And it is.
[00:08:16]  Should be what?
[00:08:17]  Not allowed, right?
[00:08:21]  It should be frowned upon to, of course, exploit in any way, shape, or form.
[00:08:25]  If somebody agrees to it as a consenting adult...
[00:08:28]  But, of course, I also believe that it should be 21 and up to get into any form of sex work, so... But no, but if there's a female employee at a company, and she does want to have sex with her boss, and it does result in beneficial treatment and promotions... Then it's not sex work.
[00:08:47]  I didn't say it was.
[00:08:48]  I'm asking about this... You know, the first question is...
[00:08:51]  Do men and women sleep with their bosses for benefits?
[00:08:55]  It does tend to be women, stereotypically, I suppose.
[00:08:58]  The answer is yes, they do.
[00:09:00]  People will sleep with their bosses in exchange for benefits and promotion.
[00:09:04]  A lot of the time, it is consensual.
[00:09:06]  The woman says, like, you know, I'm gonna, you know, this guy, I like my boss, you know, whatever, and then it results in beneficial treatment.
[00:09:13]  So the question that I have, and there's a reason why, I don't think sex work is It's clearly an act carried out between two consenting adults.
[00:09:24]  I should say it could be.
[00:09:26]  In many contexts, two consenting adults say, hey, we're gonna hook up, we're gonna exchange money, and then they do their thing, they go about their separate ways.
[00:09:33]  I don't see why that, it's kind of shocking to me that that's illegal in the sense that what if a dude in a car pulled up to a woman and said, would you like to be my girlfriend?
[00:09:43]  I'll take you out to dinner and give you an allowance to buy whatever you wanted.
[00:09:46]  And she said, sure.
[00:09:47]  And then they had sex.
[00:09:48]  The difference between sex work is whether or not you decided it was a date or whether or not it was an exchange.
[00:09:54]  So, but we'll come back to that.
[00:09:55]  Here's my point.
[00:09:57]  I believe that if we legalized sex work to the extent that it was treated like any other job, so a boss could say, I'm hiring a secretary, I need my mail retrieved, I'm gonna need phone calls answered, and I'm going to need sex acts performed on me.
[00:10:15]  If that was allowed, then you are going to have There may be a social stigma at first, but market competition will dictate that for women, guys are going to be demanding it.
[00:10:26]  And that you have to provide that because in a world if that were to happen... Well, you don't have to, but if you don't, you'll get fired and find another job.
[00:10:34]  You won't get hired at all.
[00:10:35]  You won't get hired because some other girl, if you're saying, I'm unwilling to do that, it's very easy for the boss to just say, okay, I'll find somebody who will.
[00:10:41]  Right, and then it's very easy for that employee to go to somebody who doesn't demand it.
[00:10:46]  If men are allowed to demand it, I think that if you're allowed to get away with bad things, more people try to.
[00:10:51]  I think that's just the way human nature is.
[00:10:54]  Humans are not designed good by default.
[00:10:56]  God designed us not to be good by default because you have to actively choose good to be a good person and get rewarded for the afterlife.
[00:11:02]  So I think human nature defaults to wanting what's bad for us, essentially.
[00:11:07]  I don't think it's a want.
[00:11:09]  I think it's a need.
[00:11:10]  That's what survival sex work is.
[00:11:11]  When it comes down to it, most people that are partaking in it are survival sex workers.
[00:11:15]  So we can't forget about the fact that when you're in a position where you're starving, and you're living in poverty, and this is an option for you, Very little people will say, I'm not willing to do this, and I'm not willing to feed myself and keep myself alive, because God told me no.
[00:11:31]  I think it's for the men.
[00:11:33]  When it comes down to it.
[00:11:34]  Men too.
[00:11:34]  I was thinking about the men in the power position.
[00:11:36]  I'm saying asking for, if a man was allowed to ask for a secretary who performs sex acts, I think human nature would cause almost all men in the position, barring a few good ones, to ask for that.
[00:11:46]  It would be a cultural norm.
[00:11:47]  I mean, this isn't a legalized...
[00:11:49]  situation and that's not at all what I what I support I don't support it to be legalized because of course like I said earlier it's it The human trafficking has already been proven to increase in Germany and... When it is legalized?
[00:12:04]  Yes.
[00:12:05]  When it is legalized.
[00:12:05]  So that's why I support full decriminalization.
[00:12:08]  And like you were saying... Wait, wait, wait.
[00:12:10]  Hold on.
[00:12:10]  Sorry.
[00:12:11]  I need a clarification.
[00:12:12]  What's the difference between decriminalization and legalization?
[00:12:14]  Is that not the same thing?
[00:12:15]  No.
[00:12:16]  So decriminalization is basically removing all punitive laws and In regulations, there's no over-policing.
[00:12:28]  So, basically, if a sex worker is in a position where she is abused or exploited, she could feel comfortable to call the police and not fear arrest.
[00:12:40]  What's legalization, then?
[00:12:42]  Legalization is, you have to work under, you know, you have to work in a brothel.
[00:12:47]  Oh, like regulation.
[00:12:48]  Right, there's complete over-regulation.
[00:12:51]  Cops are still Going out of their way to, um, like, if they find somebody who's working as a survival sex worker, they'll say, I will offer you this, that, or the other, some sort of bribe.
[00:13:02]  Or coercion.
[00:13:04]  And, like, basically rape them.
[00:13:08]  In exchange for lesser charges.
[00:13:10]  You know, if they find them with drugs.
[00:13:11]  Or say, like, I'm not going to fine you this much.
[00:13:14]  So... So you're saying that... Yeah.
[00:13:18]  Victims will still exist, obviously.
[00:13:22]  So there will still be this, you cannot make requests for sex acts in public settings?
[00:13:28]  Right, everything not victimless will still be illegal.
[00:13:32]  In decriminalization, anything regarding minors will still be illegal.
[00:13:36]  Forced fraud, coercion will still be illegal.
[00:13:39]  Trafficking, still illegal.
[00:13:40]  What about a boss asking an employee?
[00:13:44]  Quid pro quo, illegal.
[00:13:46]  But that's what jobs are.
[00:13:47]  I mean, unless it was on the job description.
[00:13:49]  Well, here's the thing.
[00:13:50]  It's like it wouldn't be considered.
[00:13:52]  Well, that's the thing is like it varies.
[00:13:56]  We we could have brothels in this in this scenario.
[00:13:59]  We could have it depends on how they legislate it.
[00:14:01]  So with over legislation, sure, that that absolutely could happen.
[00:14:05]  And that's definitely something we could talk about.
[00:14:07]  But.
[00:14:09]  In New Zealand, I have not heard of any scenario regarding this, so I like don't feel like Because it's not really treated the same way as work.
[00:14:20]  It's something else.
[00:14:21]  I will say, I don't think every single guy would do it.
[00:14:24]  Many men are married, like a lot of guys are married, and they're not gonna be like, hey, honey, my secretary's coming in to give me, you know, like, that's not gonna happen.
[00:14:30]  She's gonna be like, what?
[00:14:31]  You can't do that.
[00:14:32]  You know, the relationship would fall apart.
[00:14:33]  Maybe.
[00:14:34]  But I do think that, you know, marriage is an institution that is in decay, to shout out Sublime and 40 Ounces of Freedom.
[00:14:42]  And with that being the case, it may start going in that direction.
[00:14:46]  When you were talking about survival sex workers, the only thing I could think of, like, man, if we were in a society where we had socially enforced monogamy, the way that Jordan Peterson describes it, you wouldn't have that.
[00:14:57]  Right.
[00:14:58]  It's a societal problem.
[00:14:59]  It's a cultural problem.
[00:15:00]  It's not a government problem.

=== Decriminalization Debate (15:47) ===

[00:15:02]  Absolutely.
[00:15:02]  Government is not going to fix this.
[00:15:04]  They can fix this by decriminalizing it, but they're not going to fix it ultimately.
[00:15:09]  We as a society need to fix this.
[00:15:12]  When it was decriminalized, less people were partaking in the industry, meaning they were getting out of poverty.
[00:15:18]  So it's a win-win for everybody.
[00:15:19]  If you want less people working in the industry, decriminalization.
[00:15:22]  If you want less people being trafficked and exploited and being raped by police officers, decriminalization.
[00:15:28]  Not the Nordic model.
[00:15:29]  Not legalization.
[00:15:32]  So what is it between regulation and decriminalization that makes less women do this?
[00:15:39]  Is it because when it's regulated, women will get coerced into this regulated establishment sex work machine?
[00:15:46]  Because not everybody wants to work for somebody, and they don't feel comfortable working for somebody.
[00:15:53]  I don't.
[00:15:53]  I know that I definitely don't want... I don't want a madam or a boss or somebody over me.
[00:15:58]  I have a gun.
[00:15:59]  Allegedly.
[00:16:00]  In Matrix.
[00:16:02]  Or not Matrix.
[00:16:02]  In Minecraft.
[00:16:04]  You know, I have a way to protect... You're allowed to have guns in Second Amendment.
[00:16:06]  I live in New York.
[00:16:07]  I live in New York.
[00:16:08]  So, you know... I have ways of protecting myself.
[00:16:12]  You know, if somebody wants to come after me when I'm at work, they'll get jumped by eight of my cousins.
[00:16:16]  I mean, like, I'm good.
[00:16:20]  But not everybody is that privileged, so...
[00:16:23]  If they don't feel like they have a way to protect themselves, which I always encourage sex workers to arm themselves, then maybe they do feel comfortable working in a brothel.
[00:16:33]  And I feel like even though I don't agree with that, and I feel like that's like an exaggerated pimp, that should still be an option.
[00:16:39]  Just, you know, like let's say I agree with Owning a 10-round mag, but my neighbor owns a 30-round mag.
[00:16:47]  And they're just a little bit kinkier than I am.
[00:16:50]  You know what I mean?
[00:16:51]  I'm not going to call the ATF and tell them the Red Flag laws and say, well, my neighbor's a little bit kinkier than I am.
[00:17:00]  They have a little bit more in their mags than I do.
[00:17:03]  So get rid of them.
[00:17:04]  It's just not fair.
[00:17:06]  I think it's important to note, specifically about what you're talking about, being self-employed, that only 1% of all prostitutes within the industry are self-employed, according to Nordic Model now.
[00:17:17]  99% of prostitutes or people within the sex work industry are controlled by pimps, so it's really important.
[00:17:23]  That statistic blew everything open for me because it's very hard to say that this would benefit the majority of people in the movement.
[00:17:30]  Movement?
[00:17:31]  Trade, I guess you could say.
[00:17:32]  I don't really have a great word for it, but Not the majority of people are not like you that can leave at any time the majority of people 99% of people are forced into it They cannot leave on their own will they are controlled by pimps and they are essentially being trafficked even if they were I can imagine that a few women Consensually joined at first where they had their backs up against the wall They had they didn't have any other way to put food on the table for the children I personally think there's always another way but I can imagine the situation that they were in and I don't think it's this idea where women are just sexually liberated and free.
[00:18:00]  then they just get stuck in it and a pimp takes over.
[00:18:02]  They want to share their profit.
[00:18:03]  I don't think it's this idea where women are just sexually liberated and free.
[00:18:07]  I think it's what it's always been, which is men abusing women.
[00:18:11]  So yeah, I'm definitely thinking that there is nothing empowering about this job and there shouldn't be anything empowering about this job for it to be a legitimate job.
[00:18:19]  Like there is I hear what you're saying, and I understand it, but if you truly believe that statistic, which I don't because there's so many unbiased, or I'm sorry, there are so many biased statistics about sex work, and I can get into that later on, but if you truly believe this, Where's the empathy?
[00:18:42]  Where is the empathy for these women?
[00:18:43]  If we truly believe that they're all victims, or 99% of them are victims, where's the empathy for them?
[00:18:49]  The empathy is not legalizing it.
[00:18:50]  The empathy is decriminalizing it, because it makes it safer for them, so they're not being harassed.
[00:18:56]  How would it make it safer for them?
[00:18:57]  Decriminalizing prostitution would just take away all laws regarding to prostitution, which would essentially be a de facto win for the pimp sector, because now the government would not go after them.
[00:19:08]  They can go after women.
[00:19:09]  The most common age of entry for prostitution was 16 years old, with most women starting as young as 11.
[00:19:14]  Minors cannot be prostitutes.
[00:19:15]  Those are victims.
[00:19:17]  Everyone's a victim who's a prostitute.
[00:19:19]  Minors cannot be victims.
[00:19:21]  Minors can be sex traffickers.
[00:19:23]  Minors cannot be prostitutes.
[00:19:24]  They are victims.
[00:19:27]  You can be pimped out and a victim.
[00:19:28]  Two things can be true at once.
[00:19:30]  I think- I think if it was decriminalized, I mean, right now, if- if the police find a woman, you know, at a hotel or whatever, they can intervene under the law, remove that woman from the situation.
[00:19:42]  If it was decriminalized, the pimp could literally be standing outside and be like, morning officer!
[00:19:45]  That's right.
[00:19:45]  But who's the pimp?
[00:19:46]  Here's the problem.
[00:19:47]  Who is the pimp?
[00:19:49]  Right now, somebody that I grew up with just got arrested for the third time as a victim of trafficking.
[00:19:56]  For the third time.
[00:19:58]  The traffickers, one of them was a woman, who is apparently working as a sex worker, right?
[00:20:05]  Apparently.
[00:20:06]  In Idaho, if a sex worker pays their landlord rent money, and the landlord knows that it comes from sex work, They can be charged as a trafficker.
[00:20:17]  So what is a trafficker under the law right now, currently?
[00:20:22]  Well, yeah.
[00:20:23]  Clarify the law.
[00:20:24]  Clarify the law.
[00:20:25]  The law needs to be clarified.
[00:20:26]  But I don't know that decriminalizing it makes it... I don't know, at least in this context, based on what we're talking about, decriminalizing it seems to reduce the options for law enforcement to get victims out of these situations.
[00:20:36]  Not that it's always perfect.
[00:20:38]  Often victims will be accused of being perpetrators, right?
[00:20:42]  So I remember you mentioned the other day something about Trump and his stance on trafficking after seeing Sound of Freedom, which by the way... He wants to kill him.
[00:20:52]  I love Sound of Freedom.
[00:20:54]  It was, like, heartbreaking.
[00:20:56]  Here's the thing.
[00:20:58]  Trump is not as anti-trafficking as you think he is.
[00:21:02]  He thinks he is, but he's not.
[00:21:04]  He signed on to a law called SESTA-FOSTA, and I don't know if you're familiar with that, and it made trafficking so much worse.
[00:21:13]  It put victims and consensual adult sex workers into the shadows and made it harder for law enforcement to identify either one of them.
[00:21:23]  So they're arresting Well, real quick, just to clarify, this was the online law about shutting down... It was an amendment to Section 230 that said that basically any platform that allows sex trafficking to be promoted on the platform can be held liable in court, and victims, people who get taken into sex trafficking, can sue these companies.
[00:21:42]  So it's a huge one for... It may not have worked in practice, but it was definitely in the mindset of helping sex trafficking victims... Well, prohibition doesn't work at all.
[00:21:48]  ...to allow them to sue.
[00:21:50]  But the prohibition was taking away our freedoms.
[00:21:51]  This is protecting the most vulnerable.
[00:21:56]  Prohibition in a general sense does work.
[00:22:00]  We often refer to prohibition as like drugs and the war on drugs is a failure and alcohol is a failure.
[00:22:05]  So you can make the argument that prohibiting certain commodities or certain, you know, substances doesn't work, but we prohibit murder.
[00:22:11]  Like the idea that you can't... Okay, then I will clarify.
[00:22:15]  Prohibition of victimless crimes.
[00:22:18]  Specifically.
[00:22:20]  Because it's not going anywhere.
[00:22:21]  And there's no reason to even try.
[00:22:25]  Sex work isn't going anywhere.
[00:22:26]  Drugs aren't going anywhere.
[00:22:27]  Anything victimless is not going anywhere.
[00:22:29]  People are going to do it whether you like it or not.
[00:22:30]  Whether you feel it's moral or not.
[00:22:32]  So let's make sure that the people that are doing it are safe.
[00:22:35]  I don't think decriminalizing would protect them.
[00:22:37]  And I also don't think either of those are victimless crimes.
[00:22:40]  I think the person selling fentanyl to the 16 year old kid who overdoses and now her mom loses her son.
[00:22:45]  That's a victim.
[00:22:46]  There's always dealers who end up having people overdose.
[00:22:48]  I agree.
[00:22:49]  And same with prostitution.
[00:22:50]  These women are much more likely to die of STDs, of AIDS infections, to be abused, suffering from PTSD.
[00:22:58]  Reason being is that because police officers are arresting women for carrying around condoms.
[00:23:04]  That is not the why.
[00:23:05]  They're fueling the HIV pandemic right now.
[00:23:08]  That is not the only reason women get abused in these situations.
[00:23:11]  But that does seem like an edge case.
[00:23:12]  I've seen those stories.
[00:23:13]  There was, I can't remember when, it was a few years ago, a couple women were walking down the street going to a club.
[00:23:18]  They had condoms.
[00:23:19]  The cops stopped them, accused them of being prostitutes.
[00:23:21]  One of them got arrested or something like this.
[00:23:22]  And it was literally just a woman with a condom.
[00:23:24]  Right.
[00:23:24]  Yeah, I think that's ridiculous.
[00:23:25]  But I don't think that explains why women disproportionately suffer from PTSD, emotional distress, physical distress.
[00:23:32]  A majority of women who are in the sex work trade say that they dissociate from their body during sex.
[00:23:36]  It creates a lot of issues with the mind and body.
[00:23:39]  And I don't think that anyone is victimless within prostitution.
[00:23:42]  Women are 60 to 100 times more likely to be murdered if they are prostitutes than your average woman.
[00:23:47]  I think there are always victims from evils.
[00:23:48]  That's because of stigmatization.
[00:23:50]  No, I think it's because the people seeking to pay sex are dangerous.
[00:23:51]  It's the stigma of sex work, the way that people speak about them, the way that people dehumanize them, of course.
[00:23:55]  It is dehumanized.
[00:23:56]  Buying sex and renting someone's vagina for your own pleasure is not human.
[00:24:00]  That is not morally right, that is wrong.
[00:24:02]  It's not renting their body, it is literally paying their services and labor.
[00:24:07]  And what is their services and labor?
[00:24:10]  Whatever we consent to.
[00:24:11]  And it's not even always sex.
[00:24:12]  When you go to a sex worker, sometimes you're just paying just to talk to them.
[00:24:17]  Or you're paying for completely non-sexual things.
[00:24:20]  There's not always sex.
[00:24:20]  That's called therapy.
[00:24:22]  Or inherently sexual.
[00:24:23]  That's called companionship.
[00:24:24]  Right, and so when the people, like, were coming to me, they would tell me things that they didn't feel comfortable telling to a therapist because the therapist was a mandatory reporter.
[00:24:33]  Yeah.
[00:24:34]  So they got it off their chest.
[00:24:35]  Maybe that's in place for a reason to protect people if somebody wants to Say I'm going to kill myself.
[00:24:39]  I'm a danger to myself.
[00:24:40]  I want to kill my mom stuff.
[00:24:41]  There's certain laws in place for therapists to report that to protect their safety.
[00:24:44]  So I think that if people need therapy, they should absolutely go to a true therapist and not a sex worker.
[00:24:48]  Well, I mean, this is kind of a scary thought.
[00:24:50]  I mean, that would imply that there are people who are like, I need to talk to someone about this.
[00:24:53]  And then they sit down with you and then explain some very serious crime they've committed, knowing that you're not going to report them.
[00:24:59]  Or if you do that, now they know who they told it to and who to come after.
[00:25:02]  That seems like you're putting yourself at risk again, even more so.
[00:25:06]  That's a risk you have to be willing to take if you're doing the job.
[00:25:09]  Just like people who work in hazardous waste disposal.
[00:25:11]  They're working with needles that have, you know, HIV on them.
[00:25:15]  If you're working as a plumber, you're exposing yourself to fecal matter and all that.
[00:25:21]  You know, you can explain a job and make it sound disgusting and degrading and dehumanizing all you want.
[00:25:30]  What's it called?
[00:25:31]  Just came to my mind.
[00:25:32]  Proctologists.
[00:25:34]  We can make that job sound as horrible as possible, but we need them.
[00:25:37]  I have a question for you.
[00:25:40]  I read this a long time ago.
[00:25:41]  Is it true that one of the most secure and legal sex work positions is providing sex work to the disabled?
[00:25:53]  Yeah.
[00:25:54]  Because, like, I was reading this thing that said sex work is basically illegal everywhere.
[00:25:58]  However, there's, like, this carve-out that allows medical practitioners to go to men and women who are disabled and provide them sexual release.
[00:26:07]  Yeah, sex work is not a human right.
[00:26:09]  Sex work is not a human right, and it's paid for by the government, and the government's just pimping you out.
[00:26:14]  Have you ever heard that?
[00:26:16]  But yes, most of our... No!
[00:26:18]  Yes.
[00:26:18]  Most of our clients are disabled, and they're seeking... Most of them?
[00:26:22]  Most of them, they're disabled in some way, shape, or form.
[00:26:25]  Either they're impotent, or physically dealing with something like MS, or anything.
[00:26:31]  And this is their way of seeking pleasure, and I'm more than happy to provide that, because I'm comfortable with my sexuality.
[00:26:40]  I'm comfortable with myself.
[00:26:42]  It doesn't bother me.
[00:26:46]  In my experience, just from doing like participant observation studies, independently of course, I'm working on four hours of sleep right now.
[00:26:56]  I'm sorry, my mind is like all over the place.
[00:26:59]  Yeah, the women that I have spoken to and the few gay men have told me that most of their clients are disabled or people that deal, actually, which I already know what you're gonna say after this, people that deal with anger issues.
[00:27:12]  Because, of course, if you deal with anger issues, they go there, their angrier issues are released, they go out, I had a friend who was a dominatrix a long time ago.
[00:27:22]  I believe that the anger issues in this world, the mass shootings, the everything, like the abuse, all of this going on, sexual frustration. - I had a friend who was a dominatrix a long time ago.
[00:27:36]  She told me that a lot of her clients were very powerful, wealthy men who never, like in no area of their lives could experience domination.
[00:27:45]  And that's why they went to her.
[00:27:46]  And it wasn't overtly sexual, it was like she would make them clean the floors and stuff like that, and they'd pay her thousands of dollars.
[00:27:51]  Yeah, that was another one of my jobs as well.
[00:27:54]  That's crazy!
[00:27:55]  It's crazy!
[00:27:56]  Some super rich dude is like, I will mop your floors.
[00:27:59]  I wanna be degraded.
[00:28:00]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:28:00]  The shame culture is just very distasteful, in my opinion.
[00:28:04]  There was one moment where...
[00:28:07]  Rent was due and so she calls a guy yelling at him saying where's my where's my check slave and things like this and he's like I'm sorry I'm sorry saying you know mistress whatever and she goes I want it overnighted now so I can pay my bills and I want $3,000 like anything you say yes yes mistress Oh yeah.
[00:28:24]  But the guy loved it!
[00:28:25]  And we love it too.
[00:28:26]  And he was like a millionaire.
[00:28:27]  We love it too.
[00:28:28]  We love it too.
[00:28:29]  Our society has gotten so off the path.
[00:28:32]  It's so weird.
[00:28:32]  It's really, it's crazy.
[00:28:33]  People are not getting married, they're murdering their babies, they're asking to be degraded and mop people's floor and then pay for it.
[00:28:39]  What's going on?
[00:28:40]  The politicians that are against this, they think that us sex workers don't know who they are when they come and see us.
[00:28:46]  No, we know who they are.
[00:28:48]  It's the same ones that are voting against these bills.
[00:28:51]  I hope they continue to vote against these bills.
[00:28:54]  But while participating in it?
[00:28:55]  No, I think there's a whole other problem with that.
[00:28:58]  That's gross.
[00:28:59]  There's so much hypocrisy, of course, in politics.
[00:29:02]  You might argue it's good they're voting against it.
[00:29:04]  You might argue it's good they're getting the services.
[00:29:06]  My view is get the hypocrite scumbag politicians out of there.
[00:29:09]  I think we all agree on that.
[00:29:10]  Yeah, 100%, yeah.
[00:29:12]  Woo!
[00:29:12]  Go team!
[00:29:13]  You get a politician who outright says, it's wrong and we shouldn't do it, who doesn't participate and votes for it, and then you get a guy who says, it's good, it's fine, I do it, I got no issue with it, and that's, whatever, just be honest about it.
[00:29:21]  You know what, that's very ironic, because it's, not ironic, but that's very common on the extreme far right of the aisle, where they're extremely, this has just been a funny thing, the same hypocrisy, where they're like, we hate gays, we're so against gays, and then they all come out as like, secretly gay, playing male prostitute, like, it's...
[00:29:39]  It's crazy.
[00:29:40]  I agree.
[00:29:40]  No hypocrites.
[00:29:41]  Just live the life.
[00:29:42]  Live the words that you speak.
[00:29:43]  And if you don't believe in what you're saying, then don't say it.
[00:29:45]  So let's talk about the technological development here.
[00:29:48]  OnlyFans.
[00:29:50]  So I view OnlyFans as prostitution.
[00:29:56]  It's survival sex work online.
[00:29:58]  But why is it survival?
[00:29:59]  How's it survival?
[00:29:59]  We're making millions.
[00:30:00]  Yeah, and there are tons of stories where one woman was a police officer making $50,000-$60,000 a year.
[00:30:06]  School teachers.
[00:30:07]  School teachers, nurses, and they're like, wow, I'm making six figures now.
[00:30:10]  Yeah, they're lying.
[00:30:11]  They're not making that money or something?
[00:30:13]  You could tell a media outlet how much you make and they could just publish it and not...
[00:30:18]  If you say you make a lot of money, that means you're telling them you have really good content to offer, and 99.9% of the time, do you really?
[00:30:26]  I mean, who believes the fucking media?
[00:30:29]  I'm sorry, but who believes the media?
[00:30:30]  Well, if I'm looking at a woman who they show a bunch of photos of her as a police officer, then they show a bunch of photos of her scantily clad, and she's living in a big house, Sure, maybe she rented a fake house and is pulling a fast one, but there's tons of these stories.

=== Elon's Take on OnlyFans (15:19) ===

[00:30:45]  So at the very least, it may be the outlier, but there are women who are like, wow, OnlyFans money.
[00:30:50]  Yeah.
[00:30:50]  Was it Blac Chyna who made like $8 million a month or something?
[00:30:53]  Oh, I'm sure.
[00:30:53]  There absolutely are.
[00:30:54]  Hold on.
[00:30:54]  Those are like the top.
[00:30:56]  The top accounts like that, I don't think are sexual.
[00:30:59]  There's, uh, celebrities- A lot of teasing.
[00:31:01]  They'll wait, like, 20 years just to see a nipple pop out.
[00:31:04]  No, no, but some of it- a lot of it is.
[00:31:05]  They're like- they're like- there was some- some minor- this is a crazy story.
[00:31:08]  There was a minor who said, as soon as I turn 18, I'm posting on OnlyFans, made a million dollars overnight, and people were like, well, hold on a minute.
[00:31:15]  How did you get all that content?
[00:31:17]  Right.
[00:31:18]  On midnight, unless you made it when you were a minor, in which case... Child pornography.
[00:31:22]  Right.
[00:31:23]  Uh, but... That's gross.
[00:31:24]  Oh my gosh, there's so much I want to touch on that topic.
[00:31:26]  Like, when it comes to Twitter, first of all...
[00:31:30]  I cannot tell you how many accounts I have had to tell, like, in the comment section, like, stop posting your links or your pictures in the comment sections where there's... Twitter is 13+.
[00:31:43]  Like, I cannot stress this enough.
[00:31:45]  Twitter is 13+.
[00:31:46]  They need to get the hell off that platform.
[00:31:50]  Like, that is just not the place.
[00:31:52]  And because of SESTA-FOSTA, that is what caused the influx of all of this.
[00:31:57]  The influx of OnlyFans, the influx of all of these people on a site for 13+, is because they can't have their own site.
[00:32:05]  I would disagree.
[00:32:06]  I would say it was the degeneration of society and the sexual liberation of women.
[00:32:10]  Well, I think the sexual revolution combined with the recent degeneracy of society and the reducing marriage rates, the reducing Child rates, people not having as many children, they're not really getting married as much, they're not staying married.
[00:32:22]  I think all this combined has led women to this idea of, I don't need no mans, I can make all my money by selling my body, I'm an independent woman.
[00:32:29]  And it's a mix between the feminist, the original feminist idea of, well not even feminist, just traditional femininity, the original idea that like women shouldn't be forced to work, we should have the option to stay at home.
[00:32:39]  Right, we shouldn't be forced, but we should have an option.
[00:32:41]  But do you know why prostitution is even illegal?
[00:32:44]  Because it's wrong.
[00:32:46]  It's illegal because... Because you're buying sex from someone which is wrong.
[00:32:50]  Because it built the West.
[00:32:52]  It built the entire West.
[00:32:53]  So when Prohibition began with alcohol, they also I have a question.
[00:33:02]  Do you need an ID to be on OnlyFans?
[00:33:04]  started building brothels and then they started building schools and then they started building churches and then they started building homes and businesses and the men didn't like the fact that women were making so much money so they said we're gonna keep this illegal here we are is uh i have a question is uh do you need an id to be on only fans yes so when you sign up for only fans they say send us a picture of your id Yes.
[00:33:29]  Who takes the taxes out?
[00:33:31]  No, but I mean like a viewer.
[00:33:34]  Oh, a viewer?
[00:33:35]  Yeah, someone who wants to watch a woman who pays the 10 bucks a month.
[00:33:40]  I had to upload because there's a couple accounts that I paid for.
[00:33:43]  No, there's a couple accounts that I paid for because I like watching porn.
[00:33:47]  But they made you send an ID in?
[00:33:50]  The only reason that my account was verified anyways, because I was a content... No, wait, no, that was for AVN.
[00:33:59]  I believe, because I don't have an OnlyFans.
[00:34:02]  That was a long time ago.
[00:34:03]  I don't remember.
[00:34:04]  They should.
[00:34:04]  Let's just say, let's just say maybe not.
[00:34:07]  But if they do, they should.
[00:34:10]  When it comes down to porn sites, I believe that they should absolutely not show any nudity until you verify the same way that a porn star has to verify with her account.
[00:34:21]  They have to not only just show their ID, With a picture of yourself upside down, but your account has to be written on a piece of paper, and you, as a viewer, should have to do the same thing.
[00:34:31]  I mean, like, it's literally that easy.
[00:34:33]  There should be absolutely nothing to be saying.
[00:34:36]  I would agree with that wholeheartedly, that people should have to submit information and be of age before consuming porn, even though I think porn should be completely wiped away, but... 18's not old enough.
[00:34:47]  But it's old enough to consent to regular sex, do you think?
[00:34:52]  I think that it's old enough to get married.
[00:34:55]  I think that you're old enough to make that choice if you want, but the brain development, it really just falls into brain development and porn producers are very... What's the OnlyFans app called?
[00:35:09]  They're assholes.
[00:35:10]  Is there even one?
[00:35:12]  It's not coming up on Apple or Android.
[00:35:13]  Really?
[00:35:14]  Is it a website?
[00:35:14]  Maybe it's shut down.
[00:35:16]  Maybe they heard us.
[00:35:17]  I thought it was just a website.
[00:35:19]  It's just a website?
[00:35:21]  Yeah.
[00:35:21]  Well, I don't, I don't know.
[00:35:22]  I have no idea.
[00:35:23]  Okay.
[00:35:24]  I thought it was an app.
[00:35:25]  Oh my God.
[00:35:25]  - It's like AVN and Chatterbait by AVN Shutdown. - I thought it was an app. - Oh my God, I lost my kind of thought. - I'm a Twitch girl. - So my thing is if, Hypothetical, because I don't know.
[00:35:38]  I guess I'll have to look into it.
[00:35:41]  If you are not required to have an ID for pornographic OnlyFans accounts, then the executives of OnlyFans should be criminally charged and arrested, and the people selling the content to minors should also be charged.
[00:35:56]  What about Elon Musk?
[00:35:58]  Should it be criminal in charge?
[00:35:59]  - Yes. - That's what Fafs to Sesta was essentially about, these social media platforms. - Right, okay, high five. - Like on TikTok, there was an experiment done, I don't remember, I believe it was a Daily Wire member, but they made a TikTok account, they wrote that they were eight years old, they were still able to make the account, even though the age on TikTok is also supposed to be like 13 plus, they were still able to make the account, even though Within a few... First, it's like Roblox, random things.
[00:36:20]  And then within two days, they're just getting non-stop porn on their For You page.
[00:36:23]  An eight-year-old.
[00:36:24]  And I've definitely seen this on social media.
[00:36:26]  TikTok is a cancer.
[00:36:27]  I don't even have a TikTok account.
[00:36:28]  I don't want to look at it.
[00:36:29]  I've seen this on TikTok, where these people will come up on my page.
[00:36:31]  It's children dancing extremely sexually.
[00:36:33]  And I've reported these videos saying that minor safety is at risk here.
[00:36:36]  But what the law, FOFSA-SESTA, was essentially supposed to do, it was repealing Section 230.
[00:36:41]  Like, where is CPS when these people are exploiting their children like this?
[00:36:44]  First Amendment that social media companies could just ban us, do whatever they want.
[00:36:44]  Where?
[00:36:47]  No.
[00:36:48]  The only reason that they got special government benefits is because they said they were an open platform.
[00:36:51]  Like, where is CPS when these people are exploiting their children like this?
[00:36:56]  That's a whole other issue, the parent side.
[00:36:57]  As much as I don't like government involvement, like, that's one area where I'm like, maybe.
[00:37:03]  Well, either way, I think that it was a good law to allow these companies to sue individuals If I'm on Twitter, I'm an eight-year-old boy.
[00:37:10]  I see all this stuff.
[00:37:11]  Someone's like, click this link, hire a prostitute.
[00:37:13]  And I suddenly get myself in a dangerous situation just from being online.
[00:37:17]  I think that my parents should be able to sue Twitter for allowing that.
[00:37:19]  It's that easy.
[00:37:19]  They can track exactly where you are and just snatch you up and you're gone.
[00:37:22]  I mean, we've all seen it.
[00:37:23]  Do you agree that the government should be, or individuals should be able to sue companies for allowing that to take place on their platform?
[00:37:29]  Absolutely.
[00:37:30]  Well, that's what Costa Sesta was.
[00:37:31]  But actually, I disagree with that.
[00:37:33]  I think that's a cop-out.
[00:37:34]  I don't think that's what SESTA-FOSTA was.
[00:37:35]  I believe that SESTA-FOSTA definitely targeted, like, sites for consenting adults.
[00:37:40]  But go ahead, yeah.
[00:37:41]  It was like Backpage was a big deal.
[00:37:42]  It was Backpage.
[00:37:43]  It got shut down.
[00:37:43]  Yeah.
[00:37:44]  The argument was, by allowing Backpage, the law enforcement could more easily track traffickers, and by getting rid of it, they push it underground.
[00:37:51]  But you asked me about Elon Musk.
[00:37:54]  Here's my position.
[00:37:55]  If Elon Musk came out and said, oh, by the way, the X app is now officially X on the App Store, because when I was searching... I saw that this morning.
[00:38:01]  Wasn't it banned in India or something like that?
[00:38:03]  Because of the X, it was like banned in India or Indonesia or something like that.
[00:38:06]  But if Elon Musk's position is that sex content, explicit adult content, is a lot on the platform, and 13-year-olds are a lot on the platform, Then he should be held criminally liable because you're basically, look, you can't open an adult bookstore with a big sign saying 13 plus welcome.
[00:38:27]  And he knows.
[00:38:27]  And then let people in.
[00:38:28]  He absolutely knows.
[00:38:29]  It's rampant.
[00:38:29]  No, no, hold on.
[00:38:30]  To be fair, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in that he recently acquired the platform, took tremendous action against trafficking stuff and exploitation content.
[00:38:39]  Significantly less porn on the website or on the app now.
[00:38:42]  And so I actually think it's more so about him taking the reins and trying to get things.
[00:38:47]  And if we went to him now and said, hey, one or the other, either sex, sex work is allowed or 13 plus, but if you're going to allow sex content, then you've got to verify every person on the platform.
[00:38:57]  And so what's the easy, the easy thing is to ban it.
[00:39:01]  Well, either that's, that's one option.
[00:39:03]  You could censor the, the profiles that are obviously like, Restrict those profiles to verified IDs only.
[00:39:12]  Right.
[00:39:12]  So if you have an account on Twitter that posts sexual content... It's all about protecting the children, like when it comes down to it.
[00:39:18]  We're really doing Elon's work for them right now.
[00:39:21]  Elon, if you're watching this... This is our goal, all of us at the end, is protecting children.
[00:39:25]  And women.
[00:39:27]  For me it's also women.
[00:39:27]  Women and children, of course.
[00:39:29]  And men.
[00:39:29]  Everyone.
[00:39:30]  Protect everyone.
[00:39:30]  Everyone.
[00:39:31]  Right, exactly.
[00:39:32]  So, somebody who wants to post these things on Twitter, their account is auto-blurred, and you can only see the posts, any photo or video, and you can only see it if you've uploaded an ID verifying your identity.
[00:39:45]  Right, and he's the richest man in the world.
[00:39:46]  Don't tell me that he can't hire a staff.
[00:39:48]  Well, I have a question for both of you.
[00:39:51]  If we are operating under Section 230, which is assuming these social media platforms are essentially open public forums in the way that all constitutional laws apply in open public forums, as compared to like limited forums, whatever, it's a whole thing about freedoms, but specifically with an open public forum, you can't walk through Times Square butt naked.
[00:40:09]  You will be arrested for public nudity.
[00:40:10]  Right.
[00:40:11]  Yeah.
[00:40:11]  What's the difference?
[00:40:13]  So now with a social media platform, if it's an online public open forum, then why shouldn't the same government laws of public nudity apply to these apps and ban anybody from uploading stuff regardless of this whole license stuff?
[00:40:26]  I don't think it should be allowed on the platform at all.
[00:40:28]  Because it's public indecency.
[00:40:29]  Strip clubs are allowed.
[00:40:31]  Strip clubs are allowed.
[00:40:32]  It's not public.
[00:40:34]  As long as you're in the LGBT community, you can walk around with your Wang hanging out in front of, you know... Or the naked cowboy in Times Square.
[00:40:41]  Well, he's in his underwear.
[00:40:42]  But if a consenting Uggdahl is in a room with, you know, anybody... Pushes it on the butt part.
[00:40:47]  I don't get it, you know?
[00:40:48]  What's the difference then?
[00:40:50]  Because that is a limited... A strip club is privately owned.
[00:40:53]  It's a limited forum.
[00:40:55]  No, I agree.
[00:40:55]  have to pay to be a member, they can kick you out.
[00:40:57]  Whereas the only reason that these social media companies like Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, the only reason that they have protection from being sued, they have a shield from the government is because they brand themselves as these open public forums.
[00:41:07]  So I agree.
[00:41:08]  So the difference is if you are on an open Twitter page like my Twitter, you can go there, Yeah.
[00:41:15]  As long as I'm not posting anything that breaks the law or whatever, that's fine.
[00:41:18]  But the moment you cross into adult content, you now have to become a private establishment that requires identification verification.
[00:41:24]  Right.
[00:41:24]  So you can be on Twitter and post all that stuff, but your account is locked to anybody who's not verified.
[00:41:29]  Well, this is like your ideal, what it would be like ideally.
[00:41:31]  Yeah.
[00:41:32]  I think, I guess for me at least, it would be ideal that no one would upload these and that they can make your own website or use Pornhub if you want to upload porn.
[00:41:39]  But I think social media apps, That they should stay true to why they were given these rights in the first place, where it should be a public forum, where the same laws that are in our Constitution apply to social media apps.
[00:41:50]  I don't think there should be any difference in social media, because I think that leads to situations like Donald Trump being banned from Twitter.
[00:41:55]  The more power we give to these social media companies, the less power we have as individuals.
[00:42:00]  Absolutely.
[00:42:01]  Yeah, I agree.
[00:42:02]  Well, alright then.
[00:42:03]  We're all in agreement.
[00:42:04]  Yeah, the big problem is that I think early on in the internet, they did not, it was small, and it didn't have a big of an impact, and they didn't care all that much, and now it is life.
[00:42:18]  Everyone's on the internet 24-7.
[00:42:21]  So for some reason, because we talked about this on IRL, for some reason, if you go out into Times Square and hold up a big picture of pornography, Yeah, you'll be arrested.
[00:42:29]  Right to jail.
[00:42:30]  Yeah, right to jail.
[00:42:31]  You know, believe it or not.
[00:42:32]  Unless you have words with it, actually, because then it would be protected as... Well, I don't know where the laws get blurred, but there's free speech laws.
[00:42:38]  That's what it comes down to, like, what is art?
[00:42:41]  Well, if you have speech attached to it, it could be protected.
[00:42:44]  A picture of a woman who's posing, and it said, like, what is art?
[00:42:48]  Yeah, you might actually have a legal question.
[00:42:50]  That's protected under the First Amendment, actually.
[00:42:52]  Don't do that.
[00:42:53]  But, right, yeah, don't.
[00:42:54]  Don't do that.
[00:42:55]  But, like, overt pornography, like, a photo of, like, hardcore penetration.
[00:43:00]  Like what Marjorie Taylor Greene showed at the trial of Hunter Biden.
[00:43:04]  Oh, man.
[00:43:05]  Was that not censored, though?
[00:43:07]  Was it blurred?
[00:43:07]  It was censored for us when we saw it, but I don't believe it was censored on the House floor.
[00:43:11]  Are you sure?
[00:43:12]  Really?
[00:43:12]  I think that's why it was blurred, wasn't it?
[00:43:14]  I think it was blurred when it was reposted because you can't post it on social media, but I assume that people were very angry over it because it was the wrong picture.
[00:43:21]  You think she would blur it?
[00:43:23]  I kind of do.
[00:43:24]  I hope, but if she didn't, that's definitely like everybody in the audience.
[00:43:28]  You know the only reason you can't post it is it's nothing to do with the sex work, it's the privacy issue.
[00:43:33]  Because, yeah, it breaks the privacy rule, not the porn rule.
[00:43:36]  Twitter allows people to have total profiles dedicated to porn and stuff.
[00:43:40]  And this is the funny thing about the free speech debate.
[00:43:44]  You've got Gab, for instance.
[00:43:45]  Gab is a free speech platform.
[00:43:47]  They ban porn.
[00:43:48]  And I think the same thing was true with Locals.
[00:43:50]  When Locals launched, everyone is like, free speech, but then they're like, hey, but not porn.
[00:43:54]  Patreon had a similar issue where they took down, and everyone was complaining, and I'm kind of like, you know...
[00:44:01]  A while ago, I was kind of like, hey, there's a slippery slope towards banning stuff.
[00:44:04]  But, uh, mostly based on ignorance and not having looked into the issue, now I'm completely like, it should not be allowed on public platforms without that age verification for users like any other adult bookstore or strip club.
[00:44:17]  Right.
[00:44:17]  Do you think the same should apply to like Pornhub.com?
[00:44:19]  Oh yeah.
[00:44:20]  And not only that but I mean Pornhub had to take down a whole ton of content because it was probably underage girls and trafficking victims.
[00:44:29]  It was just unverified anybody uploaded stuff and there was some bad stuff.
[00:44:35]  As was reported in the news.
[00:44:37]  There has been many reports that a lot of women who were sex trafficked were found from Pornhub videos and been able to be tracked down that way.
[00:44:42]  Which is insane, because if I upload a video, like, it's taken down within hours if, like, there's a person in there that, like, I either haven't, like, verified who they are... So wait, wait, someone said... I don't understand, like...
[00:44:57]  Cage the Mick gave a super chat.
[00:44:59]  Is this in reference to OnlyFans saying you just need a birthdate and credit card number?
[00:45:04]  I assume that's what it is.
[00:45:04]  You see, this stuff really bothers me.
[00:45:06]  That's just bullshit.
[00:45:07]  Well, these companies are all for profit.
[00:45:09]  That's the thing.
[00:45:09]  Yeah, you don't need an ID.
[00:45:10]  None of those companies give a crap about... That would be exploitation.
[00:45:12]  The exploitation is really the viewers.
[00:45:14]  So, the biggest pimp in the world right now is... Who runs OnlyFans?
[00:45:19]  Oh, I have no idea.
[00:45:22]  Let's look it up.
[00:45:22]  That's the thing.
[00:45:24]  We should know this information.
[00:45:26]  We should know who runs Pornhub.
[00:45:27]  We should know who runs OnlyFans.
[00:45:29]  There's a reason that we don't know who they are.
[00:45:31]  Um, uh... Um, Roppily Gone?
[00:45:35]  Started it.
[00:45:37]  Indiana McIntyre.
[00:45:37]  Trust me, by the end of this, there's probably going to be way more that we agree about than don't.

=== Rights vs. Purchased Sex (05:50) ===

[00:45:40]  She was the CEO.
[00:45:42]  I think that's life.
[00:45:42]  Succeeded Tim Stokely.
[00:45:44]  Whoever, uh... This is insane to me.
[00:45:49]  These people should be in jail.
[00:45:51]  Yeah.
[00:45:52]  This is crazy.
[00:45:53]  It's very dangerous.
[00:45:54]  And I think something that I would love to get into a conversation about is bringing back to the victimless crime.
[00:46:00]  I truly believe that prostitution hurts women at large.
[00:46:03]  There have been many studies that show that 60 to 70 percent of women in sex work, prostitution, however you want to phrase it, I think it's not talked about a lot specifically what I replied on Twitter yesterday all these stats it wasn't supporting the Nordic model it was simply showing how many women are victims and how much they suffer even prior to getting to this the majority of women within prostitution if not all besides the 1% who are self-employed
[00:46:29]  Come from poor, racially marginalized communities, and I think if the government were to decriminalize it, legalize it, however you want to call it, do anything to make prostitution or prostituting yourself easier in this country, it would 100% send this message to these people that the government does not care about your safety, they do not care about your health.
[00:46:46]  It definitely doesn't make it easier.
[00:46:47]  It just makes it safer.
[00:46:48]  How?
[00:46:49]  I still haven't seen how.
[00:46:50]  It makes it safer because, okay, so by criminalizing it, we are putting both consenting adults and victims in jail.
[00:46:59]  And then, again, going back to, we are putting everybody's health at risk by arresting people just because of, you know, the condoms that they're holding on to them.
[00:47:08]  But we can go back to this little fact right here about law enforcement.
[00:47:13]  It's from some article here from the LA Times.
[00:47:17]  It says, law enforcement agencies in America's biggest cities Spend an average of about $2,000 for each arrest of a prostitute, which amounts to more than $120 million a year in law enforcement costs nationwide.
[00:47:31]  So, you know, obviously it's a burden on taxpayers, but...
[00:47:35]  Ultimately, when New Zealand decriminalized sex work, I mean, just speaking to all the sex workers, they felt safer.
[00:47:43]  They feel safer that they can now report the abuse and exploitation that happens to them.
[00:47:49]  Otherwise, they get arrested in a criminalized society.
[00:47:53]  So, let's say I'm working.
[00:47:55]  Let's say I have a client.
[00:47:56]  Let's say he's unruly.
[00:47:57]  You know, he's just a complete ass.
[00:48:00]  Or pulls a gun out.
[00:48:01]  If I call the cops, they're arresting me too.
[00:48:04]  Yes.
[00:48:05]  It's over.
[00:48:06]  So with decriminalization that allows me to comfortably call the cops, have him arrested, and go on with my day.
[00:48:14]  And that's it.
[00:48:15]  So then why don't you support the Nordic model?
[00:48:17]  Because the Nordic model- We haven't even defined the Nordic model, you just want to define it?
[00:48:20]  No.
[00:48:20]  So from my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong because this isn't my- Right.
[00:48:25]  100% expertise.
[00:48:25]  But from my understanding, the Nordic model is essentially what I have been saying, where women who are victims of prostitution can come forward to the government for safety and protection.
[00:48:35]  It would still hold people who purchase sex acts as a felony and try them as a felony while offering protections for women to get out of the line of work.
[00:48:43]  Whether it works in practice is a whole different conversation than what it is in Or whether it works in actuality is very different than what it is in practice.
[00:48:50]  It criminalizes the buyer, not the seller.
[00:48:52]  It allows the victim to come forward.
[00:48:57]  Essentially, the biggest issue with that is the males and females that purchase the services of sex workers have rights and liberties that they should be able to exercise.
[00:49:08]  So that's number one.
[00:49:10]  Can you define what that is?
[00:49:11]  The right and liberties?
[00:49:13]  To purchase sex?
[00:49:17]  You do not have a right or liberty to purchase sex from somebody else's body.
[00:49:21]  that is not anything I mean whatever you do if you hire somebody to you know fix your toilet that's third that's their services and labor so whatever they're doing with their body that's different than That's different than a right.
[00:49:31]  You have the ability to purchase.
[00:49:33]  You do not have a right to purchase other people's bodies.
[00:49:35]  They have rights and liberties to... Rights and liberties are constitutionally protected.
[00:49:39]  If somebody just has a will to do something, that's fine.
[00:49:41]  But there is nothing in the Constitution that says you have a right to purchase somebody else's body.
[00:49:44]  The Constitution doesn't grant any rights.
[00:49:45]  Well, the Bill of Rights.
[00:49:46]  It does not grant rights.
[00:49:47]  Well, God granted us our rights.
[00:49:48]  The government just protects our God-given rights.
[00:49:50]  The Constitution protects our rights from the government.
[00:49:52]  True.
[00:49:53]  I agree.
[00:49:54]  Yeah, so okay, so basically the biggest issues when it comes to the Nordic model is there's absolutely no decrease in the amount of people taking part in sex work at all.
[00:50:05]  So if we're coming from a moral standpoint, Decriminalization does see a decrease.
[00:50:13]  The Nordic model does not.
[00:50:15]  So that's one thing.
[00:50:17]  It says 56.7% of sex workers surveyed in the Nordic model felt that the law had made sex work more dangerous.
[00:50:31]  Well, 29.1% felt that it had made no difference to their safety.
[00:50:37]  Sex workers reported higher levels of anxiety and unease and increased stigmatization.
[00:50:46]  The legislation provided no new exit services, which is very important actually, that's what my second book is about, for leaving the industry.
[00:50:58]  So, how do we get these women out of these situations?
[00:51:03]  I have had multiple jobs that were not sex work.
[00:51:06]  Two of them I was fired for, for reporting sexual harassment, because I was a sex worker before.

=== Marriage As An Antidote (15:58) ===

[00:51:16]  And then, one of them I ended up quitting, because I knew what the outcome was going to be.
[00:51:23]  Sorry, I was like, this is a very emotional topic for me.
[00:51:28]  There is no out for them.
[00:51:31]  Like, what is the actual out for these workers?
[00:51:35]  I don't think it's necessarily the out as much as marriage, absolutely, but I don't... Get married, have children, get a college degree, you'll be pretty good for life.
[00:51:42]  But I do think that... Not the college one, but I mean... I mean, just rely on men.
[00:51:47]  Income-wise.
[00:51:48]  That's the answer, just men generally.
[00:51:50]  I think men should rely on women just as much, though.
[00:51:52]  Men cannot survive without women.
[00:51:53]  Women and men need each other equally.
[00:51:55]  We're complementary to each other.
[00:51:56]  God created us together, but specifically to answer your question... Is it easy for women who are in sex work to find a good man?
[00:52:02]  Definitely not.
[00:52:03]  That was something I actually wanted to get into.
[00:52:04]  I saw that movie with Julia Roberts, so I would say yes.
[00:52:07]  I'm kidding.
[00:52:08]  What was that movie called?
[00:52:09]  Pretty Woman?
[00:52:10]  Pretty Woman.
[00:52:12]  I think the true answer to this is the same answer to everything in society.
[00:52:15]  How do we get the people at the bottom of society into a better lifestyle?
[00:52:18]  We improve society from the top down entirely.
[00:52:21]  We just make society better.
[00:52:22]  Nowadays, people in poverty are so much better off than they were 30 years ago, people.
[00:52:26]  I think it's before getting into it.
[00:52:28]  Getting out is a different conversation, but as a part of the conversation.
[00:52:31]  - It's about refrigerators, air conditioning, food on the table, they get-- - Clean running water.
[00:52:35]  - Okay, so the answer is basically men.
[00:52:36]  - No, it's we make society better, we work harder, we need to rule.
[00:52:40]  - What about the independent women that wanna work, like the entrepreneurs?
[00:52:42]  What if they're ready, they're ready to get out of, there is no resources, there's nothing for them to get out. - I think it's before getting into it, getting out is a different conversation, but as part of the conversation is how do they get out?
[00:52:53]  - Why is it mostly women doing this? - I mean, it's most in demand.
[00:52:58]  But right.
[00:52:59]  That's like a natural function of humanity.
[00:53:01]  Men want it.
[00:53:03]  Women gatekeep it.
[00:53:04]  And it will always be that way.
[00:53:05]  And it will always be happening.
[00:53:07]  So it always circles back.
[00:53:10]  It circles back to it will always be happening.
[00:53:12]  So let's make sure that it's safer for those that are partaking in it.
[00:53:15]  Because it will not stop.
[00:53:16]  Nothing is going to stop it.
[00:53:18]  I was recently in Mexico and I was at the border.
[00:53:21]  There's like a big hole in it right in Tijuana.
[00:53:24]  You can just walk through California.
[00:53:26]  Like literally on the beach in Tijuana, you can walk right through.
[00:53:29]  If you're obese, you're not gonna be able to, but I looked at this, the bollard fencing they have, and I'm like, I could literally just walk into America right now.
[00:53:36]  There was one border patrol agent on the other side on a hill, and I'm like- That's insane.
[00:53:40]  You know, everyone did that during COVID when they didn't want to get tested.
[00:53:43]  I have a lot of family friends who just walked through from Mexico because they didn't want to get a COVID test in Mexico, so they just walked through.
[00:53:48]  Everyone does that.
[00:53:49]  So my point ultimately is, we didn't used to need To have law enforcement building this barrier because we had a society and a culture that had an infrastructure that worked for us better than it does today.
[00:54:04]  And now our society is so fragmented, dejected, now it's just let the government take care of it and people absolve themselves of responsibility.
[00:54:12]  So what ends up happening is we keep saying we need a legislative approach to how we deal with this problem when the problem is purely cultural.
[00:54:20]  Why are women getting involved in sex work?
[00:54:22]  Honestly, and as much as feminists probably don't want to hear it, with the decline of traditional families and socially enforced monogamy, you end up with Look, I'll say it this way.
[00:54:33]  The greatest thing for guys ever was feminism.
[00:54:37]  And I mean that not in the truest sense of the word, I mean it in terms of the dopamine hit.
[00:54:42]  Guys who want to not work, sit around all day, play video games, bang whoever they want, and not have to take any responsibility for it, got everything they ever wanted, and now women have to have all of the traditional brunt of life, along with now having to have jobs as well.
[00:54:57]  Yep.
[00:54:58]  You end up with these things like, uh, I love the 30 Rock, uh, I love 30 Rock.
[00:55:02]  You have Liz Lemon's character, Tina Fey.
[00:55:04]  I can have it all.
[00:55:05]  You know, have a great job and be the boss and also have a family.
[00:55:08]  And then, it's like, not really.
[00:55:10]  There's, there's something interesting about requiring the...
[00:55:13]  The end of social enforcement monogamy, the entrance of women predominantly into the workforce, which I'm not saying I'm opposed to, but let's just talk about the ramifications of this, it became a necessity, as most things do.
[00:55:25]  It starts with a privilege, it starts with a, it's fine if you do, and then eventually becomes a necessity.
[00:55:30]  Cell phones being a good example.
[00:55:32]  It used to be, wow, if you had one, wow, that was great.
[00:55:34]  Right now you're on it all day and it's just- And if you don't have it, you're not getting hired.
[00:55:37]  Right.
[00:55:38]  What's your phone number?
[00:55:38]  You don't have a cell phone?
[00:55:39]  How do I call you when I need you for something?
[00:55:41]  Now you have to have it.
[00:55:42]  Well now the government gets them out.
[00:55:43]  Or you're on it too much!
[00:55:43]  We're on it too much.
[00:55:44]  Women were eventually, at first it was like, if a woman wants a job, she should be able to have it, you can't bar her from it.
[00:55:50]  And now women have to have jobs, period.
[00:55:52]  There's nothing you can do about it.
[00:55:54]  Right.
[00:55:54]  So it used to be in society, women would find a husband, men would be, like single men were questioned, like, what are you, you're not doing, you know, what are you, what's going on?
[00:56:03]  Now it's like total freedom and independence, but I believe that there are clearly biological differences between men and women which result in negatives predominantly for women.
[00:56:14]  One example being men are typically the ones who are going to buy sex, meaning women will typically be the ones in sex work.
[00:56:22]  Providing it.
[00:56:23]  But then there's also in the workplace, the fact that women are the ones who have children means that no matter what laws you pass and no matter what you do, men and women will never be equal in the workforce.
[00:56:33]  Period.
[00:56:33]  End of story.
[00:56:34]  Why?
[00:56:35]  If a man wants to have a family, he can say, I will keep working all day and night.
[00:56:40]  I'll work 16 hours a day.
[00:56:41]  I will become the CEO of this company.
[00:56:42]  And then when I go home, I will be with my wife who will have kids.
[00:56:47]  She'll be the one who gets pregnant while I'm working.
[00:56:50]  If a woman wants to do the exact same thing, she says, I will have to take time off to have that child, a man does not have to.
[00:56:57]  No matter how small that shift is, it will result in a net negative for women, making it more difficult for them to compete with men in the workplace.
[00:57:04]  Men will always be on top for that reason.
[00:57:07]  Or, I should say, in the majority, right?
[00:57:10]  So, talking about how do we get women out of these negative situations, There's a biological reality component to it.
[00:57:17]  I'm not saying, you know, force women to be... I mean, if they consider them to be a negative situation, of course.
[00:57:23]  I don't.
[00:57:23]  I mean, personally, in my situation, I was married, and I ended up getting divorced because my husband didn't like my job.
[00:57:31]  It didn't work.
[00:57:31]  Four years, I tried, like, I tried to be a... How long were you working?
[00:57:35]  It used to be that the woman who was married to a man was provided for.
[00:57:37]  No, no.
[00:57:37]  During that time, I was not working.
[00:57:40]  Actually, well, like, I got sick of not working for a little bit, so I tried to get, like, a side job.
[00:57:46]  Of course, those were the times where I got into, like, kind of, like, small part-time jobs.
[00:57:51]  And, of course, they found out that I was a sex worker and ended up getting fired for sexual harassment and all that nonsense.
[00:57:56]  But then I ended up quitting.
[00:57:59]  He was an amazing provider.
[00:58:00]  He's a great person, and I still have a good friendship with him.
[00:58:05]  It didn't work because I wanted to go back to my job.
[00:58:08]  I love my job.
[00:58:09]  And four years of marriage gone.
[00:58:12]  I really wanted to bring this up because I was going to ask how I believe marriage is an antidote to almost all of society's problems.
[00:58:20]  Of course, it has to be a good God-fearing man and a good stand-up woman.
[00:58:24]  We can't just have bad people marry bad people.
[00:58:26]  It doesn't help anybody else.
[00:58:27]  But how are people in the sex work industry, however you want to frame it, how do you expect them to ever get married?
[00:58:32]  Do you expect men to ever want to marry somebody who's had sex with hundreds of men?
[00:58:36]  Not with a stigma.
[00:58:38]  Definitely not with a stigma.
[00:58:40]  I mean, the stigma is what ultimately is fueling the abuse.
[00:58:46]  It's what fuels the bad laws.
[00:58:48]  It's what fuels women going back into sex work.
[00:58:52]  It's what fuels literally the entire situation.
[00:58:55]  So, like the body count stigma?
[00:58:58]  The body counts, everything.
[00:59:01]  When we think of sex work, it's the thought that we have been given since we were young, right?
[00:59:07]  Like, what do we see on TV?
[00:59:09]  Like, there was an episode of South Park that I saw last night.
[00:59:12]  It was hilarious, but it was, you know, created by libertarians so clearly they would do this.
[00:59:17]  Just, you know, dirty and full of, riddled with STDs and disgusting and fat and gross and like, of course, like if this is your view of sex work, clearly that's, you're going to dehumanize them, but if you look at them like a person, like we should look at all people, we are all God's children and Like the movie said, God's children are not for sale.
[00:59:41]  We are not for sale.
[00:59:42]  You're for rent.
[00:59:44]  What's the difference between getting me booked here, me doing the show and flying back, which is exactly what I did when I started porn.
[00:59:53]  There are no sex acts happening here.
[00:59:54]  Right, that's the literal only difference.
[00:59:56]  What's the difference between sex work and... What's the difference between me hanging out and cutting your head off?
[01:00:01]  Like, there's a difference in every situation, you know?
[01:00:05]  Wait, huge difference, but... Yeah, I'm saying every situation's different.
[01:00:07]  But this does bring up a good question that I alluded to earlier on in the show.
[01:00:11]  If a guy pulls up to a prostitute on the street and says, wow, you're so beautiful.
[01:00:16]  Want to go on a date with me?
[01:00:17]  And then she says, yes.
[01:00:18]  And he goes, let's go out for dinner.
[01:00:20]  And they go out for dinner.
[01:00:20]  And then he was like, you know what?
[01:00:22]  I know it's soon, but why don't you be my girlfriend?
[01:00:25]  You know, I always take care of my girlfriend.
[01:00:26]  You know what?
[01:00:27]  As my girlfriend, here's an allowance.
[01:00:30]  Is that not prostitution?
[01:00:31]  It is.
[01:00:31]  So is marriage.
[01:00:32]  Marriage is prostitution.
[01:00:34]  What?
[01:00:34]  How?
[01:00:35]  Definitely, 100%.
[01:00:36]  He's paying her to sit there and have babies and cook for him.
[01:00:41]  It's a mutually beneficial relationship.
[01:00:43]  - It's a financially, no, and alimony.
[01:00:46]  - Emotionally, physically.
[01:00:47]  - Alimony, as soon as they get divorced.
[01:00:48]  - Women who are married live longer. - But you're not having sex anymore with alimony. - Depends. - True.
[01:00:53]  I would absolutely disagree.
[01:00:54]  I think marriage, matrimony is beautiful.
[01:00:56]  It was designed by God for a reason.
[01:00:57]  Both men and women benefit from maybe what you've seen growing up.
[01:01:01]  But from what I've seen, marriage is the most beautiful, rewarding thing.
[01:01:04]  It provides you mental rewards.
[01:01:07]  It provides physical rewards.
[01:01:09]  You get to pass on your seed, essentially, and create new generations, which is God's I mean, you have been married before, right?
[01:01:19]  Okay, so I'm on my second marriage.
[01:01:22]  Yes, I am currently married now.
[01:01:23]  And my marriage is absolutely wonderful.
[01:01:25]  It's the best marriage I've ever been in my life.
[01:01:27]  It's only the second one, but it's great.
[01:01:29]  And my husband is very supportive of my job.
[01:01:32]  because of that support like but your husband's fine with you having sex with other men no but you said you were retired like i i do it for fun like i still do it for fun because i enjoy it but i don't do it for monetary gain because i'm independently well like wealthy so i don't have to how's that a marriage if your husband lets you have sex with other guys you pay you because it is a social construct Because you signed a piece of paper?
[01:01:54]  That's not what marriage is supposed to be.
[01:01:55]  Like, I married my best friend.
[01:01:57]  What can I say?
[01:01:57]  But then you have sex with other people.
[01:01:59]  That's not marriage's monogamous relationship.
[01:02:01]  That might be a relationship, but that's not a marriage.
[01:02:03]  It's a government contract.
[01:02:04]  That's all it is.
[01:02:04]  It's a government contract between two people that agreed to love each other.
[01:02:08]  That's the exact problem with society.
[01:02:10]  My view is that that's not marriage.
[01:02:13]  That's some social construct.
[01:02:15]  2023.
[01:02:15]  Yeah, using the name of it.
[01:02:16]  Bullshit.
[01:02:16]  Yeah.
[01:02:19]  But if I'm happy, what matters?
[01:02:20]  what matters oh i don't know that matters that's not matter what does it matter to other people as well i think i'm treated well good provider no no that's fantastic i'm just saying that marriage meant something and then one day they were like oh marriage also means other things and this means other things and it's like oh no hold on like if the idea of marriage was effectively a death contract right till death do us part and pre no fault divorce you couldn't get divorced I mean, you could under certain circumstances, but judges would be like, marriage counseling, bang the gavel.
[01:02:50]  That was marriage.
[01:02:51]  Marriage is like a merger in two people's lives and assets.
[01:02:54]  Now marriage is dating.
[01:02:56]  It's like you go in there and you're like, I'm gonna sign this paper that says we're dating, it can be dissolved at any time for any reason.
[01:03:00]  I mean, there's no difference between my marriage and anybody else's other than the fact that I have You know, fun in my job.
[01:03:06]  Other people's marriages are monogamous, where when you agree to become one flesh under... To me, it still is monogamous, because I'm not out there falling in love with anybody.
[01:03:13]  There is no emotional attachment to anybody.
[01:03:15]  But there's physical.
[01:03:16]  Monogamy is both physical and emotional.
[01:03:17]  But if I go over there and serve as somebody's, you know... Monogamy is committing to one person, but marriage, the whole concept of marriage, is that when you become one flesh on the altar under God's eyes, whether you want to take the religious or even the government, when you agree to marry somebody, you agree to be... No, I mean, that's a big difference, the religious and the government.
[01:03:32]  That's a huge difference.
[01:03:33]  Yes, I know.
[01:03:34]  I'm aware.
[01:03:35]  That's why I was saying either one, whether you just sign a piece of paper or you believe that you're becoming one flesh under God's eyes for the rest of time, that becomes your soulmate.
[01:03:42]  In Judaism, especially, we believe that anyone can be your soulmate.
[01:03:45]  You become a soulmate when you get married because your souls become one.
[01:03:48]  And I just think that that is incongruent with what marriage is.
[01:03:52]  You cannot be open.
[01:03:53]  That's an open marriage, which isn't marriage.
[01:03:55]  Marriage is monogamy.
[01:03:56]  I just looked it up.
[01:03:57]  This is really interesting.
[01:03:58]  Monogamy is pure Greek, meaning single marriage.
[01:04:04]  Single marriage.
[01:04:04]  Instead of polygamy.
[01:04:05]  So, as opposed to polygamy, which is, you know, multiple.
[01:04:09]  Mormons.
[01:04:09]  Right, so I don't have any girlfriends or boyfriends or... But gaymos... Manos and gaymos means single and marriage.
[01:04:15]  Gaymos literally meaning marriage.
[01:04:17]  By that Greek definition, you are monogamous.
[01:04:19]  You are married to one person.
[01:04:20]  Yeah.
[01:04:22]  But you're just sexually open.
[01:04:24]  No.
[01:04:25]  I am simply just doing a job that I enjoy.
[01:04:29]  Which allows men to have sex with you.
[01:04:32]  I think that marriage cannot, in the biblical sense of marriage matrimony, it cannot exist, the whole point of it is that you can be secure, you don't have to be afraid that, not even afraid, but it's that security, that ultimate security, I'm committing to you, I will never be with anyone else besides you for the rest of my life.
[01:04:46]  I don't feel insecure in my marriage though, and he definitely does not, so I mean... But this is the thing, it's like... It might work for you, but it's definitely not going to work for everyone.
[01:04:53]  Which is okay, that's okay, I think that's the point.
[01:04:55]  I feel like you're describing marriage as, say, like, a nice artisanal brie, and you're describing it like American pasteurized processed cheese product.
[01:05:04]  So, I'm not saying- I love both!
[01:05:06]  What I mean is, for the longest time, marriage was a death contract.
[01:05:11]  Cheating was like, you'd get in serious trouble for having a relationship in any capacity.
[01:05:15]  It's a good thing we don't have that anymore, because that'd be insane.
[01:05:18]  I completely disagree.
[01:05:19]  Adultery is a reason for divorce.
[01:05:20]  The death penalty for cheating?
[01:05:21]  Death penalty?
[01:05:22]  I never said death penalty.
[01:05:23]  I mean like, you'd say people would get like- Very serious penalties, like you'd lose your assets and things like that.
[01:05:27]  Yeah, you'd be shunned.
[01:05:28]  If two people consensually agree to merge their lives, There are paths to dissolving that, but the idea that you can enter into this contract and leave at any time for any reason... There's no leaving, though.
[01:05:42]  I don't intend on leaving.
[01:05:43]  Not you, personally.
[01:05:44]  I'm talking about marriage was till death do us part.
[01:05:47]  And then Ronald Reagan and who else?
[01:05:50]  Was it like Jimmy Carter or something?
[01:05:52]  One was no-fault divorce.
[01:05:52]  It was like the 50s.
[01:05:53]  It started to come about.
[01:05:54]  All of a sudden, it was just like, nah, marriage is dating now.
[01:05:58]  And that's like...
[01:05:59]  If you don't like them anymore, you can just say goodbye!
[01:06:01]  It used to be a master craft to make a delicious cheese, and we'd call it cheese, and then one day some guy was like, I'm gonna emulsify cream and put salt in it.
[01:06:06]  Something happened in the 70s.
[01:06:08]  So, is American cheese actually cheese?
[01:06:12]  That's my point.
[01:06:13]  It's like, legally it's not, but people call it cheese anyway.
[01:06:17]  I think, in my view, you're dating a guy.
[01:06:20]  You're not married.
[01:06:21]  But legally, you'd call it marriage.
[01:06:24]  There's something we talked about, I can't remember which state, maybe Alabama created covenant marriage, people mentioned.
[01:06:29]  Because of the degeneration of marriage as an institution, They've created supermarriage, which is effectively marriage as it's always been.
[01:06:38]  Oh yeah, I've heard of that.
[01:06:41]  Right.
[01:06:42]  But the idea that you're like, you know what?
[01:06:45]  I am married, even though I don't do anything related to the traditional responsibilities of marriage.
[01:06:50]  That's why I'm like...
[01:06:52]  The word doesn't mean what it meant, and now it's like, you know, some guy driving a Bentley and someone else is driving, you know, a rundown, rebuilt thing, and they're like, we have the same car.

=== Loyal Husbands Debate (03:47) ===

[01:07:01]  It's like, well, you don't.
[01:07:03]  Well, that's also in a situation where if they're getting abused verbally or mentally or physically or something, they can't leave.
[01:07:09]  That's not true.
[01:07:10]  You can totally divorce somebody for abuse.
[01:07:12]  No fault divorce.
[01:07:13]  That's not true.
[01:07:14]  I don't like you.
[01:07:15]  You can always divorce somebody who's domestically violent.
[01:07:17]  Yeah, no fault divorce was like, you don't need a reason.
[01:07:19]  It's like Tim and I get married and I'm like, Tim, you're not letting me get enough cats.
[01:07:23]  Gotta go.
[01:07:24]  Like the idea, they'll go to Vegas to get married.
[01:07:26]  Celebrities have fake marriages for PR and then annul it right away.
[01:07:30]  Kim Kardashian's 72 hour marriage.
[01:07:31]  Do you guys remember that?
[01:07:32]  That's not marriage.
[01:07:33]  That was like a three night stand.
[01:07:35]  You have to say it's a fling.
[01:07:36]  That's so ridiculous.
[01:07:37]  Yeah, but at large I think that this alludes to the negative feedback loop of men and women in society where if women accept less from men, men will put less forward.
[01:07:47]  It's the same thing with this idea of like courting women that doesn't really happen anymore, but men used to have to really try to win women over.
[01:07:53]  They're like, you're so beautiful, really make you want to provide for that.
[01:07:57]  Listen, trust me, I definitely advocate for a lot of the things that you're saying.
[01:08:02]  I think that women should be Definitely more modest.
[01:08:04]  I think that they definitely should be more God-fearing.
[01:08:06]  I definitely think that they should be 100% loyal to their husbands.
[01:08:10]  I think that they... Everything that you're saying, I 100% agree.
[01:08:15]  The only thing that I'm concerned about are the less fortunate people that are not married, that are not dealing with the privileged life that we get to live right now.
[01:08:26]  Because we're pretty freaking privileged.
[01:08:29]  I mean, it's pretty obvious.
[01:08:30]  We all live like...
[01:08:33]  Pretty good lives, but that's not everybody right now, so what's... I guess it depends, like, what do you mean by privileged?
[01:08:39]  I mean, privileged as in... Are you calling us white?
[01:08:43]  We're okay, we're happy, we're wealthy, I mean, I don't know about... Honestly, I don't know your financial situation, but we're doing alright, right?
[01:08:51]  So, I mean, not everybody is.
[01:08:54]  And these are the people that we need to think about right now.
[01:08:55]  I guess the question there is... Wait, I feel like we... Is privilege a reference to...
[01:09:01]  Like, get off the ivory tower for a minute, you know what I mean?
[01:09:03]  Like, we need to think, like, that kind of, like, privilege.
[01:09:07]  But it's like, you know, in my instance, for example, like, I had a relatively rough upbringing, not the worst, but on the bottom, lower end of the spectrum, and I had to work really, really hard, and I was homeless several times.
[01:09:19]  Oh, yeah, absolutely, like, I mean, there's...
[01:09:21]  So is it- I don't know if I would consider it- So where we are in our lives right now, is what I'm saying.
[01:09:26]  Like, not like how we got there.
[01:09:27]  I'm sure that, like, we- I have no idea how you got here in your life.
[01:09:31]  I'm sure you have no idea how I got here in my life.
[01:09:33]  I don't know how you got here in your life either.
[01:09:35]  But right now, we're all doing pretty damn good.
[01:09:38]  But so I- I try to draw- Is that privilege or hard work in reaping the benefits?
[01:09:42]  Okay, hard work.
[01:09:42]  That's okay.
[01:09:43]  But we can rephrase that.
[01:09:44]  Like the distinction between some people who are in hard conditions, but I feel extremely blessed.
[01:09:51]  I thank God every single day for all my blessings.
[01:09:53]  But I feel like we rushed over a very important thing where you said you 100% agree with the idea that women should be 100% loyal to their husbands, but then you're not.
[01:10:00]  So how does that work?
[01:10:01]  every single day for all my blessings.
[01:10:02]  But I feel like we rushed over a very important thing where you said you 100% agree with the idea that women should be 100% loyal to their husbands, but then you're not.
[01:10:10]  So how does that work? - I still feel loyal, but I don't want or need everybody to follow my lifestyle.
[01:10:16]  I'm not encouraging my lifestyle.
[01:10:18]  My lifestyle works for me.
[01:10:20]  I can't guarantee it for everybody else.
[01:10:22]  It's very niche.
[01:10:23]  It's very not usual.
[01:10:27]  So I can confidently say that it works for me, but I cannot confidently say that it will work for everybody else.

=== Crazy Statistics and Risks (04:52) ===

[01:10:34]  Literally anybody else.
[01:10:37]  Yeah, I understand that.
[01:10:37]  I don't want anybody to take these risks, these unnecessary risks, because they're like, oh look, well she can do it, well I can do it too, well there's a good chance that you can't.
[01:10:46]  You know, I've been in this industry for 10 years, I've been studying it professionally for 7 years, there's a 99% chance that you're not going to do very well if you try to do what I do.
[01:10:54]  That's the thing too, OnlyFans, like the real number is like the average woman makes a couple hundred bucks or less.
[01:11:01]  There's very, very few women who are successful on it, and there's no difference between, like, say, Patreon and OnlyFans in terms of financial gain.
[01:11:09]  So what people see on Patreon, they see, like, um... I don't know that woman's name.
[01:11:13]  She did the weird anime sex faces or whatever, and then she was making hundreds of thousands of dollars per month, and then she started doing... I think she started doing... I don't know.
[01:11:20]  Bella Poarch?
[01:11:21]  The poach?
[01:11:22]  The TikToker?
[01:11:23]  No, I don't know.
[01:11:24]  I don't know who these women are.
[01:11:25]  All I know is, like, there was some woman who would make, like, anime sex faces or something like that.
[01:11:30]  I don't know her name.
[01:11:32]  But she was getting hundreds of thousands a month on Patreon, and it wasn't... Like, you know what?
[01:11:38]  Let's do this.
[01:11:39]  There are channels, like the NPC Women, that is very obviously dudes beating off to it.
[01:11:49]  Right.
[01:11:50]  I mean, but then there's HBO.
[01:11:51]  There's people on HBO who are having sex.
[01:11:53]  Are they porn stars too?
[01:11:54]  That's a whole other thing that I have a huge problem with.
[01:11:56]  I hate how sexualized TV is.
[01:11:58]  You can't go to a single movie with your parents these days.
[01:12:01]  Oppenheimer.
[01:12:02]  There's boobs on the screen for 20 minutes of the whole movie?
[01:12:04]  You can't watch any TV with your family now.
[01:12:07]  She doesn't leave that studio and say, I'm a sex worker now and not be able to get any other job.
[01:12:12]  What is porn?
[01:12:15]  We see fake sex scenes in movies all the time.
[01:12:20]  I think I have a problem with that too.
[01:12:22]  Why does the AVN Awards exist?
[01:12:24]  Why do they have to be separate from the Grammy Awards?
[01:12:27]  I think it's impossible for people who are in sex work to Well you're looking up just a little change of topic.
[01:12:32]  I think it's impossible for people who are in sex work to have successful marriages let alone have marriages at all because it does something to you psychologically when you have sex with hundreds of men or even more than even like 50 men if you have sex a lot of men every single time you have sex with somebody it affects your ability to bond with your husband down the line and that's a big reason Ben Shapiro has spoken about this, that if you have sex with more than three people before you get married, I believe, you're like 50% more likely to get divorced.
[01:12:56]  There's some crazy statistics about how having sex before marriage can really affect your brain and the bonding chemicals that you release after sex, so I do think that it sets women up who, if they ever want to get married down the line, it kind of makes that nearly impossible, and that's not even speaking about how disgusted a man would be with a woman who had sex with hundreds of men, because I would be disgusted if a man...
[01:13:15]  Yeah, majority.
[01:13:16]  A good, righteous person should find it gross that somebody would do that because as a woman, if a man said he had sex with two women, I would be disgusted.
[01:13:22]  Right, so how are these women supposed to get out of it, is what I'm saying.
[01:13:24]  How are they supposed to get out of it with jobs?
[01:13:26]  How are they supposed to get out of it if marriage is supposed to be the option?
[01:13:29]  Marriage was destroyed!
[01:13:31]  So there is no out.
[01:13:32]  We need to make sure that the women that are in there are safe.
[01:13:35]  Decriminalizing isn't the out.
[01:13:36]  It is the out.
[01:13:37]  Decriminalizing makes it safer, it makes it less of a law.
[01:13:42]  I'm saying policy approaches... I mean it's been proven in New Zealand.
[01:13:48]  I disagree.
[01:13:49]  I disagree as well.
[01:13:50]  So keeping it decriminalized... I'm not saying that.
[01:13:52]  I'm saying policy is not the solution to cultural problems.
[01:13:55]  That's what I was saying with marriage and lifting everybody up.
[01:13:57]  If we as a society- I'm not saying it's easy to solve these problems.
[01:14:00]  So I mean, they should just live in- I'm not saying we should do nothing, and I'm not saying don't do criminals.
[01:14:03]  I'm saying the idea that- see, here's what'll happen.
[01:14:07]  You will say, let's do this policy.
[01:14:09]  It will change things.
[01:14:10]  Some ways in the better, some ways in the worse, but it will not solve the cultural problems.
[01:14:13]  Right, and that's where we- that's where we come in.
[01:14:16]  But we can't do that until it is decriminalized.
[01:14:18]  I wanna play this video for you.
[01:14:19]  Why not?
[01:14:19]  There are certain things that we can't do because it's a crime.
[01:14:22]  Because it's a crime right now and there's nothing that we can do about it.
[01:14:25]  Like, simply even speaking out about it is sometimes dangerous.
[01:14:29]  Like, I'm putting my life at risk even talking about it.
[01:14:32]  Like, there's some things that, you know, you may not know about.
[01:14:35]  Certainly traffickers get angry when prominent people and you can be at risk if you're speaking out.
[01:14:39]  But it's true for a lot of politics.
[01:14:41]  I wanna jump to this subject.
[01:14:42]  I wanna play this video for you guys.
[01:14:43]  You familiar with Poppy?
[01:14:45]  Um, yes.
[01:14:46]  She's got great music.
[01:14:47]  I'm a fan.
[01:14:48]  It's like the drink?
[01:14:49]  No, no, no, it's a woman.
[01:14:50]  I'm gonna play this video for you.
[01:14:51]  Is the audio on?
[01:14:56]  No.
[01:14:58]  No, no, it's the hands.
[01:15:00]  Why are the hands here?
[01:15:03]  They're trying to touch me.
[01:15:05]  Stop the hands.
[01:15:07]  They're gonna grab me.

=== Do You Believe in Patriarchy? (06:17) ===

[01:15:08]  I don't want the hands to grab me.
[01:15:12]  No.
[01:15:23]  Stop these hands.
[01:15:29]  Stop the hands.
[01:15:32]  Let me just ask you, why do you think it is this has 344,000 views?
[01:15:37]  Oh, fucking weirdos, man.
[01:15:39]  Or people sincerely worried, maybe, about her?
[01:15:42]  No, she's a performance artist who acts like a- She used to do more of this stuff, now it's more music.
[01:15:47]  Her music's great, I love her music, by the way.
[01:15:49]  But she has a lot of videos that are very much like this, and like, yo, come on.
[01:15:53]  Everybody knows what this video is for.
[01:15:56]  It's for men who want to simulate women who are not into it, essentially.
[01:16:00]  Guys cranking it.
[01:16:02]  Yeah, I recently tweeted something that reminds me of... Do you believe in the patriarchy?
[01:16:08]  What do you mean by the patriarchy?
[01:16:09]  Do you believe it exists at all?
[01:16:11]  Do you believe it has some sort of effect on any...
[01:16:13]  Yeah, what do you mean by, like, how, how so?
[01:16:15]  Like, define the patriarchy.
[01:16:15]  In general, in general, like, do, do you believe that there is a patriarchy at all in society?
[01:16:21]  I keep asking you, like, what do you mean by a patriarchy specifically?
[01:16:23]  Because a lot of people, when they say it, they mean different things.
[01:16:25]  I want to know what you actually mean by the patriarchy.
[01:16:26]  Like, by that I mean, like, men are ruling everything.
[01:16:30]  They are the cause of everything.
[01:16:31]  They are the answer to everything.
[01:16:33]  They are the, everything they're literally you know women are so i i do believe in the patriarchy i love men i love having men lead i think that it is ignorant to say that women do not have the major supporting roles behind all of these great men and you know a great man has a great woman behind him and vice versa but i love men so i have no problem with men leading society i don't think women should be barred from having members like being involved in society holding political office
[01:17:02]  i think women and should be able to do all of that.
[01:17:04]  But I definitely am not opposed to men Running society and women getting to go to shopping and baking cookies and doing all the fun things.
[01:17:12]  I think there is to a certain extent patriarchy, but nothing's absolute.
[01:17:16]  It's probably like 60-40.
[01:17:18]  So there's a couple points in there.
[01:17:20]  One, men try to woo women.
[01:17:22]  As they should.
[01:17:24]  But you've got a large quantity of men who are simps or white knights who will agree with the stupidest shit imaginable if they think it'll get them laid.
[01:17:31]  I think these are mostly like male feminist types.
[01:17:33]  Low-key.
[01:17:36]  Perhaps.
[01:17:36]  I mean, not always, though.
[01:17:38]  Aggressive, manipulative, sociopathic.
[01:17:40]  That's true, yeah.
[01:17:42]  What's the meme?
[01:17:43]  The meme was hashtag reset the clock for a male feminist to be exposed as a rapist and sexual predator?
[01:17:48]  Because it keeps happening.
[01:17:50]  It's not so much, you know, on social media, but ten years ago, throughout the earlier culture wars, it would be like, this man was exposed as a predator who was abusing women and he was a male feminist.
[01:17:59]  And it's like, right.
[01:18:00]  They're called, in biology, This is the literal term.
[01:18:03]  I am not making this up.
[01:18:05]  In biology, there is a phrase, sneaky fucker.
[01:18:08]  Really?
[01:18:08]  That's the actual biological term.
[01:18:11]  And it would describe a situation where there is a dominant male who takes the women, and then there is a submissive weaker male who sneaks in the middle of the night to procreate.
[01:18:20]  Two strategies.
[01:18:21]  One, the dominant male- Sheep and the wolf.
[01:18:24]  Yeah, the dominant male commands, and then in order to procreate, the sneaky fucker goes in.
[01:18:30]  And so that's typically how we refer to people like male feminists, but that's the actual biological term.
[01:18:35]  So of course, you know... I'll trust that science.
[01:18:37]  It is, you know, and... But it's not like the insult fucker, it's like a sneaky one who procreates is a better way to describe it, but they say sneaky fucker.
[01:18:48]  And that is, unfortunately, a lot of men.
[01:18:50]  So going back to the idea of this patriarchy, The idea that there are men who believe they are women, who are gaining preference in all spaces, is an indicator of male dominance to a certain degree.
[01:19:05]  Right.
[01:19:06]  But it's actually very, very simple.
[01:19:08]  Testosterone makes you more assertive and aggressive, and therefore people with more testosterone are more likely to be dominating in society, and therefore males, in any capacity, have a tendency towards domination over females.
[01:19:21]  Over everyone.
[01:19:22]  Right, so if you want to say that's patriarchy, I'll be like, well, it's unsurprising.
[01:19:26]  I mean, you've got a bunch of angry males taking women's hormones and then becoming, like, violent in some sense.
[01:19:34]  I'm not saying all trans people are like that, I'm saying- No, no, those are the phonies.
[01:19:38]  Hormonal imbalances can create significant problems, and this was a conversation I had a few months ago about a lot of these men who Transition, or at least try to transition, because I don't truly believe you can change your gender, but these men who start taking estrogen, all of their problems and feelings could have possibly been fixed, not 100%, but it's crazy that they don't try testosterone before they try estrogen.
[01:19:59]  They come in with all these feelings, and they're like, transition me, rather than just being treated as if they're a male who's lacking certain hormones that they need.
[01:20:06]  I want to add one more to the point.
[01:20:09]  Biological males are competing in female sports, but biological females are not competing in male sports.
[01:20:16]  That is, you call whatever you want, but that is another indication of patriarchy, of male dominance in social spaces.
[01:20:22]  Females do not dominate in male spaces, even when they take testosterone.
[01:20:28]  I think it's in this world and society that Well, honestly, I don't have a problem with that.
[01:20:35]  I am fine with the men leading and the women following situation.
[01:20:38]  I think, if anything, that's easier as long as women still have the ability and freedom to do what they want.
[01:20:43]  But just speaking from my own experience, even though I agree with this idea of men leading and stuff, I have never had a man or anyone stand in my way of getting what I want.
[01:20:53]  I've been in the political space for four and a half years now.
[01:20:55]  I've accomplished every single goal and dream that I have set out thus far.
[01:20:58]  I've had to create new dreams and goals multiple times because I keep accomplishing all of them.
[01:21:02]  No man, woman, or anyone has ever stood in my way of me getting what I wanted, and I've never had a problem accomplishing my dreams.

=== Men and Women Had Jobs (07:27) ===

[01:21:10]  How old are you?
[01:21:11]  23.
[01:21:11]  23?
[01:21:11]  Wow!
[01:21:11]  Oh my gosh, I thought we were the same age.
[01:21:13]  How old are you?
[01:21:14]  I'm 27.
[01:21:14]  Oh, actually, I'm turning 28 on August 3rd, so... Happy early birthday.
[01:21:18]  Oh, happy birthday.
[01:21:19]  By what age do you think you should be married?
[01:21:23]  Should?
[01:21:23]  I think an ideal age to get married is 25, 26.
[01:21:28]  Back in the day, it was super young.
[01:21:31]  A lot of my friends got married within the past month, actually, because I had four weddings in a week.
[01:21:35]  It's been crazy.
[01:21:36]  A lot of my friends, especially, I was raised modern Orthodox in New York City, Jewish community.
[01:21:40]  Almost all my friends have gotten married, and not all of my close friends, but a lot of people in my community have gotten married from age 18 through the past few years.
[01:21:46]  It's very, very common, normal.
[01:21:47]  I think it's beautiful and amazing.
[01:21:50]  It's just to each their own.
[01:21:52]  Do you think that when you get married, you'll stop working, have a family, be more traditional?
[01:21:58]  Stop working.
[01:21:59]  It depends what kind of work.
[01:22:00]  I would love to be a stay-at-home mom.
[01:22:02]  I think that's amazing.
[01:22:03]  I love all the little things.
[01:22:04]  I love cooking.
[01:22:04]  I love baking.
[01:22:05]  I love decorating.
[01:22:06]  All the little things.
[01:22:06]  Very rewarding.
[01:22:07]  Yeah.
[01:22:07]  It's much great.
[01:22:09]  But I also think, with me, I have the ability to do a lot of things at once.
[01:22:13]  And I would always like to have something on my own.
[01:22:16]  It doesn't have to be the grand scheme of being a CEO of a company or being a lawyer or any of these things.
[01:22:21]  You know, if I decide to become a stay-at-home mom full-time, maybe I'll open, like, a little cat rescue shelter situation that I do on the side, or I can help battered women in situations find things out.
[01:22:29]  Like, there's always something that I would love to be involved in outside of family, just that I can continue putting what God blessed me with and my skills out into the world and hopefully make the world a better place while also raising better humans.
[01:22:40]  I think an important distinction in the conversation about women having jobs and stuff is that women have always had jobs, just different jobs than men.
[01:22:49]  The idea was hunter-gatherer.
[01:22:50]  And I was reading about how women can be what's called a tetrachromat.
[01:22:55]  You guys know what that is?
[01:22:57]  No.
[01:22:57]  They have four cones and rods that have three.
[01:22:59]  Men can't be tetrachromats.
[01:23:01]  If a man has the gene to be one, they will more likely be colorblind or something like that.
[01:23:08]  And this means that women can see more colors.
[01:23:11]  Not all women.
[01:23:11]  Some women could be tetrachromats.
[01:23:13]  And they say something like if you look at the clouds and you can see a purple hue or whatever, you're a tetrachromat, you can take a test for it.
[01:23:19]  That means you're seeing more colors than other people.
[01:23:21]  And you know why?
[01:23:22]  Because women picked berries.
[01:23:24]  Wow.
[01:23:25]  Something like that.
[01:23:26]  I mean, look, I don't know, I was just reading a few articles on it.
[01:23:29]  And women would go out and they would collect berries and fruits and being able... I gotta tell ya.
[01:23:35]  We have all these fruits and berries all over the place, and I'm looking for blackberries, and I'm looking for... The whiteberries are really easy to spot, because they have these thorny red brambles, and they're bright red.
[01:23:46]  Somebody told me to look for those while I was here.
[01:23:48]  Yeah, well, we're out of season.
[01:23:51]  But there are grapes everywhere, and right now the grapes are green, and when I'm riding past this tree covered in grapevine, If I look at it, I see nothing but leaves.
[01:24:00]  If I stop and look really, really closely, I can start to see the grapes.
[01:24:03]  And holy shit, they're everywhere!
[01:24:05]  I'm so excited!
[01:24:06]  Like, tens of thousands of them!
[01:24:07]  But, um, there are certain plants, black raspberry, for instance, where, you know, I'll have to go up and I'll have to look and try and see it.
[01:24:15]  For women, who have better, uh, who can see better contrasting colors, They're gonna more easily see where the fruits and berries are.
[01:24:22]  And so, anyway, my point is, if you go back to the dawn of human tribal civilization or whatever, with hunter-gatherer societies, women were working.
[01:24:30]  They just weren't fighting bears.
[01:24:32]  You know, the men would go off and hunt and fish, and the women would walk around collecting fruits and vegetables.
[01:24:38]  But that, that is still work.
[01:24:40]  It's just substantially less dangerous.
[01:24:42]  Even more than that.
[01:24:42]  So I wonder what the argument is for women to stop working if for so long it worked out so well for women to be working.
[01:24:49]  Well, it's a different word.
[01:24:49]  It's that women don't have to work in like corporate America because taking care of your children, cooking for your family, cleaning, those are jobs.
[01:24:57]  I mean, you should see the women in the subways in the city in the summer.
[01:25:00]  There's these Hispanic women who come, they strap their babies to their back, they sell candy bars every day.
[01:25:04]  It's been a thing in New York.
[01:25:06]  It's just what happens in the summertime.
[01:25:07]  There's also little kids who sell chocolate for their basketball teams.
[01:25:10]  They sell cut up fruit.
[01:25:11]  It's just the way that it is.
[01:25:12]  But I think even more recent, a really good example is that cleaning in the home.
[01:25:17]  Women weren't just buying Clorox and Lysol.
[01:25:20]  They had to create their own cleaning supplies.
[01:25:22]  Women had to become essentially chemists in like the late 1900s or late 1800s, 19th century, where women would have to know how to use things like borax and baking soda.
[01:25:33]  These are intense chemicals that you can create a lot of things with.
[01:25:37]  And so they had to become essentially chemist scientists to be able to clean their home without emitting toxic chemicals to their family.
[01:25:42]  So it's definitely a job.
[01:25:44]  In terms of submitting to a corporate boss in a company, whereas submitting to your husband and your family, I think that job benefits your family, whereas that other job benefits a company who doesn't really care about you at the end of the day because blood is thicker than water.
[01:26:00]  So, like, the interesting thing when I was thinking about this is that men and women had jobs.
[01:26:05]  Women weren't just raising babies.
[01:26:07]  They were, you know, they were foraging as well and watching the kids.
[01:26:11]  And men were protecting and hunting and things like that.
[01:26:14]  And there's, you know, different societies and different people had different ways of going about these things.
[01:26:19]  But then all of a sudden, men aren't hunting either.
[01:26:22]  Women aren't gathering, men aren't hunting.
[01:26:24]  Guys are sitting in an office room, typing on a computer, doing some, like, tedious task and filing TPS reports, something like this.
[01:26:32]  And then the question becomes, what's... Like, it's not the same as it's ever been.
[01:26:37]  And so work is something entirely different and unique, and now... I think the issue is...
[01:26:43]  Humans are outside of evolution.
[01:26:45]  Right.
[01:26:46]  Our brains have not caught up with technology.
[01:26:48]  I don't think it's possible.
[01:26:49]  It's a really interesting thing.
[01:26:51]  I love that line from the movie Snatch, where the guy's drinking milk, or whatever, like Jason Statham, and the other guy's like, milk is out of sync with evolution, you shouldn't drink it.
[01:26:59]  Because human technological advancement is exponentially growing and rapid, but human biological development is where we were 50,000 years ago.
[01:27:09]  So now we have these gender norms that were constructed around human tribal life, which existed for tens of thousands of years.
[01:27:17]  Yeah, now everything's rapidly changing.
[01:27:18]  Like our brains can't even handle Twitter properly.
[01:27:20]  I'm sorry, X, the app is now changed.
[01:27:23]  We can't handle this rapid flow of information.
[01:27:24]  Use Twitter's proper pronouns.
[01:27:25]  Yeah.
[01:27:26]  We don't want to deadname X. You know what I mean?
[01:27:29]  I'm going to report you.
[01:27:30]  Oh my goodness.
[01:27:30]  Yeah.
[01:27:31]  But anyway, my point is, we often talk about traditional gender norms and gender roles and stuff and women being married.
[01:27:37]  But even by today's standards, work is dramatically different from where it was back then.
[01:27:42]  Maybe, you know, warfare, fire brigade, these things were more dangerous.
[01:27:45]  But now, trying to adapt society to rapidly changing technology, I think, is one of the big hurdles.
[01:27:51]  Yeah, and it's this constant negative feedback loop.
[01:27:54]  I've had this.
[01:27:54]  This just plays into everything in life.
[01:27:56]  Dating, marriage, relationships, work, just everything.
[01:27:58]  When women expect less, men provide less and then it just keeps going like that and bringing it back to like the sugar baby idea where whether it's like, oh, you'll be my girlfriend, I'll just fund your things.
[01:28:07]  I don't think that that is ever how it's supposed to be because that leads women to say, oh, I don't have to lift a finger.
[01:28:13]  I can just have everything taken care of.
[01:28:14]  He buys me food, he cleans, he shops, he whatever.
[01:28:16]  He does it all for me.
[01:28:17]  I just have to be there and be pretty.
[01:28:19]  I think that is Not compatible with biology either, where women need a purpose.

=== Increasingly Dumber Furries (05:16) ===

[01:28:23]  I mean, sugar babying definitely is sex work.
[01:28:25]  Yeah, I think, well, even outside of sex work, I just think that women need something in life to feel fulfilling.
[01:28:30]  Women need to have a purpose.
[01:28:31]  Everyone needs to have a purpose.
[01:28:32]  That's why people have jobs, to get fulfilled and to, yes.
[01:28:36]  No.
[01:28:37]  Oh, yes.
[01:28:37]  So I think with the sugar baby thing that it creates a lot of difficulties and that should not be accepted.
[01:28:42]  And it creates this idea that women should either do everything in a relationship because it creates like two types of men for women to choose from now.
[01:28:50]  The men who sit on their ass playing video games.
[01:28:52]  Why do you order me pizza?
[01:28:53]  Just literally do nothing for themselves.
[01:28:55]  Dirty clothing.
[01:28:56]  Wash my laundry.
[01:28:57]  And then sugar daddies who provide everything and women don't have to work or do anything at all and that's just not realistic.
[01:29:02]  It's a partnership.
[01:29:03]  Marriage is a 50-50 partnership.
[01:29:04]  Sometimes it's more, sometimes it's less on either side, but you're a team and I just really disagree with society's modern day relationships and they're really sad to see.
[01:29:13]  There's that song by Lana Del Rey, Video Games.
[01:29:15]  You ever hear it?
[01:29:16]  No.
[01:29:16]  And it's just like, I just find it to be super cringe.
[01:29:18]  Oh.
[01:29:19]  She's like, it's you for you, it's all for you, go play a video game or something like that.
[01:29:22]  There's a Meghan Trainor song about, um, I am your mother.
[01:29:29]  You listen to me.
[01:29:31]  What?
[01:29:32]  She's singing about a man and she's like, stop all that mansplaining.
[01:29:35]  No one's listening.
[01:29:36]  She was singing this song about men and I heard it.
[01:29:38]  I was like, you're saying you're his mommy.
[01:29:40]  That's disgusting.
[01:29:42]  You freak.
[01:29:43]  It is also weird when like, there's like the, she's married to the child or whatever.
[01:29:46]  Yeah.
[01:29:47]  Uh, so I've got, um... Freak alert.
[01:29:49]  I have bad news for you, probably.
[01:29:50]  I don't know if it's bad news for you.
[01:29:51]  I have good news for you.
[01:29:52]  You got me a cat?
[01:29:54]  No, sex work is gonna cease to exist.
[01:29:56]  Baruch Hashem.
[01:29:57]  Completely and entirely, yeah.
[01:30:00]  AI.
[01:30:01]  Artificial intelligence.
[01:30:02]  Well, you know, if that's the case... Well, how's that physical, though?
[01:30:04]  No, no, no, so... Just, like, online?
[01:30:07]  What's already happening is, on Instagram, I think OnlyFans?
[01:30:13]  Done.
[01:30:13]  Oh, yeah, for sure.
[01:30:14]  It will exist, but it's going to be guys making AI women for other guys.
[01:30:19]  And women will not gay.
[01:30:20]  So it's like trans men or trans women and women.
[01:30:24]  No, no, no, no.
[01:30:24]  It's going to be a guy who's going to go on his computer.
[01:30:27]  He's going to create templates for women.
[01:30:29]  He's going to put in keywords, tell the A.I.
[01:30:31]  to auto generate graphic content, auto post at certain times.
[01:30:36]  And then he's going to leave.
[01:30:37]  And every every week he's going to look at his bank account and see his money.
[01:30:40]  And he's never going to touch the app ever again.
[01:30:42]  It's already happening on Instagram with less explicit content.
[01:30:46]  Deepfakes?
[01:30:46]  Or just regular fakes?
[01:30:47]  that post pictures of women that have hundreds of thousands of followers.
[01:30:50]  It varies from thousands to 100,000 or so.
[01:30:53]  Fake women, some of them are really good at hiding it.
[01:30:56]  Some of them are very obviously fake.
[01:30:58]  - Deep fakes or just regular fakes? - AI generated.
[01:31:00]  - So just online sex work in general?
[01:31:02]  - Yeah, real sex work completely. - I just don't feel like you can replace the touch of a woman.
[01:31:08]  - It's that already men under 30 are more likely to be virgins and they're excluding themselves from these experiences.
[01:31:17]  So what's happening is right now our perception is based on an older generation that is less adept to the technology and a younger generation more adept to it.
[01:31:25]  And so because there are guys who will buy physical touch, we assume it must always be the case.
[01:31:29]  No, the younger generation is going to grow up in a world of AI sexual stimulation, and that will be their predilection.
[01:31:36]  So when they're older, they're going to be like, I don't want to be touched.
[01:31:38]  I want to have the robot say naughty things to me.
[01:31:41]  But then you're going to get robo sex.
[01:31:43]  There's going to be human android weird garbage, or there could be neural stimulation through neural link.
[01:31:51]  That is more speculative and theoretical.
[01:31:53]  What I can say right now is, there's a younger generation of men who are increasingly virgins.
[01:31:59]  They don't expect to have sex, and many of them will never, because porn has warped their brains to the point where they want to be banging like elf women from the world of, you know, Lord of the Rings or something, and so they're not going to be physically attracted to a real person.
[01:32:14]  In which case, they're going to need a robo-digital girlfriend to get them off, and they're not going to be seeking this stuff out.
[01:32:20]  That's not every single guy everywhere, but I think we're seeing that increasingly, to the point where a lot of guys will probably just more easily opt for digital girlfriends.
[01:32:30]  There will still- I'm not saying it'll be completely gone, obviously.
[01:32:32]  There will always be some people who have, you know, fetishes that they want fulfilled in the real world and things like that.
[01:32:37]  But I think it's increasingly becoming digital.
[01:32:39]  It's increasingly becoming fictional.
[01:32:42]  You know, furries or whatever, you know, they have to dress up and do these things.
[01:32:45]  It's not always sexual for furries, I get it. - But our society is getting so much dumber.
[01:32:49]  So like, in order to keep up with AI, people have to stay educated.
[01:32:54]  And you know, the fact that people are passing through colleges, like by using AI to pass through colleges, Like, are people getting smarter or are they just getting dumber?
[01:33:06]  Like, and how are we going to sustain the AI systems if people are just getting dumber and dumber?
[01:33:12]  Well, allow me to reference Star Trek for everybody.
[01:33:16]  There's an episode of Star Trek The Next Generation where the crew goes to a planet where they have an oracle device that does everything for them and they have no idea what it is or how it works.

=== Petrochemicals and Hormonal Disruption (06:40) ===

[01:33:28]  Sure, until it breaks.
[01:33:29]  And then they start dying because they have no idea what to do.
[01:33:34]  Yeah, and so I do think we are headed towards that idiocracy-style world.
[01:33:38]  Oh, absolutely.
[01:33:39]  I think it's like this and like that.
[01:33:40]  The rise of artificial intelligence, the reduction or just degeneration of Regular human intelligence, but this I was thinking about this a lot the past few days actually like where we're headed as a society with artificial intelligence with this all new world order stuff, Neuralink, everything.
[01:33:56]  And I really confidently wholeheartedly believe that the natural order will always win and always supersede over the new world order.
[01:34:04]  There's all these things that come up, there might be AI, this, that.
[01:34:07]  Nothing will ever replace the natural order because it's God's will and it's God's way and I truly have so much trust in God that the natural way of the world, the reason that biology is the same exact way it was 50,000 years ago, aside from maybe our wisdom teeth don't grow on anymore because we don't have to chow down food, we could cut it with a nice little steak knife at a nice restaurant.
[01:34:24]  But aside from that, biology is essentially the same.
[01:34:26]  When all these transgender people When they dig up their graves in a hundred years from now, they're gonna see bones.
[01:34:31]  And based off their bones, they're gonna know if you were a man or a woman.
[01:34:34]  It doesn't matter how you dressed.
[01:34:35]  They're not gonna see the nail polish on your fingers.
[01:34:38]  However, plastics, endocrine disruptors, I think these things are having... and drugs and petrochemicals, etc.
[01:34:45]  Yeah, they're changing our biology.
[01:34:48]  Yes, that I would agree.
[01:34:49]  What is the thing about seed oils?
[01:34:50]  Because I vape and ever since... I think vaping is really bad.
[01:34:54]  Well, seed oils is like canola oil, things like that, that are much more difficult for your body to break down.
[01:34:59]  And they can basically like clog your arteries, make you more at risk for cancer, diabetes, all problems.
[01:35:03]  That's why olive oil is very natural, but you can't cook at it at a high heat.
[01:35:07]  Avocado oil.
[01:35:07]  Avocado oil is the best because it can be cooked at a high heat.
[01:35:10]  What about coconut oil?
[01:35:11]  Coconut oil is a trans fat, so I try not to use it.
[01:35:13]  Really?
[01:35:14]  What?
[01:35:14]  Yes.
[01:35:14]  Or saturated fat.
[01:35:15]  Saturated fat.
[01:35:16]  Is it really?
[01:35:17]  Yes, it's 100% saturated fat, so it's just not saying healthy.
[01:35:20]  Does that mean like solid at room temperature?
[01:35:23]  Or what is it?
[01:35:24]  No, solid at room temperature liquid when it's heated up.
[01:35:28]  Is that what saturated fat means?
[01:35:30]  I don't know.
[01:35:31]  I don't know, but I just know that people think it's really good for you.
[01:35:34]  And it's actually not if you're going to in small proportions, it's fine.
[01:35:37]  But just like it's not healthier than canola oil or anything of that nature.
[01:35:40]  I heard canola oil was was produced to be an engine lubricant.
[01:35:44]  Yeah, yeah, that's true.
[01:35:45]  Yeah.
[01:35:45]  That's insane, isn't it?
[01:35:47]  A lot of tampons are made with like byproducts of what's Gasoline, petroleum byproducts.
[01:35:53]  Yeah, that's what it is.
[01:35:54]  That's why you should be very careful.
[01:35:56]  There are so many things in society now that are here to mess things up, from candles, from certain things.
[01:36:04]  Everything that has to do with hormones, from men to women, everybody.
[01:36:07]  And that's what's going on with the whole gender dysphoria.
[01:36:09]  And actually, when it came to that, and I expressed to people that knew me a while ago, I suffered from gender dysphoria for a while.
[01:36:17]  And then I even got to the point where I almost went to a surgeon.
[01:36:20]  And I was like, you know what, screw this.
[01:36:22]  How old were you?
[01:36:24]  This was, let's see, this was actually a couple years ago, so it wasn't that long ago.
[01:36:28]  And I was like, you know what, this doesn't seem right.
[01:36:31]  This isn't, I'm like, there's gotta be something wrong here.
[01:36:34]  So my brother-in-law who, he's actually, he works for the Space Force, he's like, look, you need to go get your hormones checked.
[01:36:42]  So, I went and I got my hormones checked.
[01:36:44]  I found out that I had a terrible hormone imbalance.
[01:36:47]  So, I took DHEA, natural.
[01:36:50]  I took progresserone, and a couple of, um, like, natural things that my daughter gave me.
[01:36:54]  Female hormones.
[01:36:55]  Female hormones.
[01:36:55]  Yeah, like...
[01:36:57]  Gender-affirming, actual gender-affirming female hormones.
[01:37:00]  Yeah.
[01:37:01]  Did not experience any dysphoria ever again.
[01:37:04]  That's amazing.
[01:37:04]  Congratulations.
[01:37:05]  It's incredible.
[01:37:06]  Thank you.
[01:37:07]  I feel like more people should look into this.
[01:37:08]  What was the amount?
[01:37:08]  Did you have more testosterone?
[01:37:10]  Yeah, my testosterone was high, my prolactin level was high, and my estrogen level, or it was my progressed your own level was something was off.
[01:37:20]  Yeah.
[01:37:21]  So I'm like, I just knew that something was, there was, there had to be a link.
[01:37:24]  So I was like, I'm not jumping to some crazy fucking surgery.
[01:37:28]  I know it's not going to fix anything.
[01:37:29]  And hopefully this gives people some sort of hope that they don't have to jump to that. - Perhaps instead of cross sex hormones, the solution may be regular. - That's what I was saying before with these beta males that these beta males that go to transition to women, like Leah Thomas, all these people, Maybe, well, Leah Thomas is absolutely not a homosexual.
[01:37:47]  But what about the minors?
[01:37:48]  What about the minors?
[01:37:49]  Like, what if we get their hormones checked and we find out that they're inbound?
[01:37:52]  The minors, like the minors that are trans.
[01:37:54]  Yeah, that's a huge problem.
[01:37:55]  Their doctors just do it now.
[01:37:57]  There's a distinction between, there's, I think we've defined three different types of transgender, what would you call it?
[01:38:08]  Categories?
[01:38:08]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:38:10]  One is gender dysphoria.
[01:38:12]  We've had many of these people on the show.
[01:38:13]  We're friends with these people.
[01:38:14]  They experience dysphoria, anxiety.
[01:38:17]  They suffer.
[01:38:18]  They want to feel more aligned.
[01:38:19]  Right, clearly.
[01:38:19]  You can see I experience a lot of anxiety.
[01:38:21]  But then there's the fetishists who are sexually aroused at the thought of being the other sex.
[01:38:27]  What's the word for that?
[01:38:28]  There's two.
[01:38:29]  It's autogynephilia and autoandrophilia.
[01:38:32]  That's the one, men who, like, want to feel the pain of women, right?
[01:38:34]  No, no, no, no.
[01:38:35]  So, like, it is widely believed that Lea Thomas is an auto andro— Yes, like, they're sexually aroused by looking at themselves as a woman.
[01:38:42]  And they want other people to say it because it makes them, you know— There's also some men— I saw recent videos on social media of men who— There was, like, some also psychological definition of it, where men want to feel the pain of like women's reproductive organs where they'll take hormones and things to simulate like PMS pains because it turns them on.
[01:39:01]  - That's a component of all of it.
[01:39:03]  - Okay, yeah, so that's what I was just confirming.
[01:39:06]  It's the same thing.
[01:39:07]  That is so disgusting.
[01:39:08]  - Yeah, but let's be real. - Twisted.
[01:39:11]  - A lot of this stuff has always existed.
[01:39:12]  You just didn't know it existed.
[01:39:13]  And now-- - Social media throws it down our faces.
[01:39:16]  Exactly.
[01:39:17]  So, it used to be that people who had things that were atypical would not bring them up out of fear of being ostracized, because social animals, we need each other to survive.
[01:39:24]  They used to go to the circus, and now they go to OnlyFans.
[01:39:28]  Not so much, actually.
[01:39:29]  I think, like, the freak show thing was... I was reading about this.
[01:39:35]  I don't know if I can remember enough to get into it, but there was a combination of fake, Uh, you know, like, the circus, like, pay a dollar to see.
[01:39:43]  But also, like, really horrible traffic and stuff.
[01:39:45]  It's funny, but, like, the fattest guy is, like, now just, like, the normal guy.
[01:39:48]  No, but, like... I was gonna say, you want to see a bearded woman, you don't have to pay five dollars at the circus, you can just open Twitter.

=== Bud Light and Cultural Shifts (02:59) ===

[01:39:53]  But so, you have, you know, people are finding community with people who typically would not find community before.
[01:40:01]  And so it's creating these spaces where people feel like they're justified.
[01:40:04]  I guess a simple way to put it is, with cancel culture, you'll get this big company, for some reason, doing something insane, firing somebody.
[01:40:12]  And it's because 50 people sent an email, And they've never experienced anything like that.
[01:40:16]  They assume their customers are in revolt when in reality their customers don't care at all.
[01:40:20]  Activists who don't buy their product are attacking the company and they assume they have to behave a certain way.
[01:40:25]  Bud Light recently, you know, lost out bigly because of trying to play this weird pandering game to a small minority and then sacrificed 25% of their market share.
[01:40:33]  Yeah.
[01:40:34]  It sucked having to not drink Bud Light anymore because that was usually my go-to and I swore it off as soon as this happened.
[01:40:40]  How Bud Light though?
[01:40:41]  Come on.
[01:40:41]  I don't know.
[01:40:41]  I know.
[01:40:42]  It's just the worst for liking.
[01:40:44]  Okay, I like Corona, I like Heineken, I like all this, but that was just my go-to.
[01:40:49]  I guess to be fair, Bud Light was the, I'm just here to barbecue.
[01:40:53]  I know it tastes like this.
[01:40:56]  That's what we drank in college.
[01:40:59]  We insulted, but Bud Light, it's like nothing.
[01:41:02]  It's like you're just drinking alcohol.
[01:41:04]  It's like you want to drink.
[01:41:07]  I get it.
[01:41:08]  Coors Light, Natty Light, Bud Light.
[01:41:09]  You're at a party and you just want to have a beer or whatever.
[01:41:11]  And that's the thing, like, that's why Bud Light failed.
[01:41:14]  Or is fail- I shouldn't say failed, but is failing.
[01:41:16]  It's because there's no brand loyalty to garbage beer.
[01:41:20]  I'm drinking it because it's there.
[01:41:23]  I think Bud Light was specific.
[01:41:25]  I was actually just on Fox Business the other day talking about this and I think Bud Light highlights the difference between men and women in society.
[01:41:32]  Dylan Mulvaney, a man, had multiple brand deals with female-oriented companies like tampons and sports spas and all these things.
[01:41:39]  Those companies are fine.
[01:41:40]  They're not being boycotted.
[01:41:41]  They didn't lose a single dollar of the market share.
[01:41:42]  Oh, that's not true.
[01:41:43]  That's not true.
[01:41:44]  Tampax?
[01:41:45]  Nike?
[01:41:46]  They're fine.
[01:41:46]  Tell me which ones they are right now so I know.
[01:41:48]  It wasn't nearly as pronounced as Bud Light.
[01:41:50]  Bud Light was massive, but there was negative press and minor detriment to these companies over Dylan Mulvaney.
[01:41:57]  It was probably so minor that I never heard or saw it.
[01:41:59]  I still use these companies.
[01:42:00]  I mean, I don't still use... I never used Nike, but Why is it that it's not men who love this stuff?
[01:42:04]  It's women.
[01:42:05]  - We own the market.
[01:42:05]  - We have the power, guys.
[01:42:06]  - We don't really have that many options.
[01:42:07]  - The power is in our hands.
[01:42:08]  - But light, but light.
[01:42:10]  Well, so here's something I wanna bring up in this context.
[01:42:12]  - Yeah.
[01:42:13]  - Why is it that it's not men who love this stuff?
[01:42:16]  It's women.
[01:42:17]  - That's exactly the point I was making.
[01:42:18]  - Women absolutely love watching men dress like women.
[01:42:22]  Like men aren't watching "RuPaul's Drag Race." It is women.
[01:42:24]  I used to love that.
[01:42:25]  I know, I used to love that show, and now it's like, so, it's not even taboo anymore.
[01:42:29]  So I'm like, I don't even care about it anymore.
[01:42:31]  All of this woke stuff, and gender stuff, women love it.

=== Offended By Trans Women (12:12) ===

[01:42:35]  It's not, it's not, it's, it's, the men who- Not us, but, yeah.
[01:42:38]  No, but like in general, it is not men as a general group who are into any of these things.
[01:42:44]  They care very little.
[01:42:45]  It is overwhelmingly females.
[01:42:46]  It is like, what was it?
[01:42:49]  One leftist on Twitter said that TERFs are supporting the patriarchy by defining what womanhood and femininity is and gatekeeping it from non-traditional or atypical women or something like that.
[01:43:03]  And it's like the weirdest thing ever to be like- Like how many of these are foreign women though?
[01:43:07]  Like how many of these- like I wonder how many are- There's an American woman who said this.
[01:43:12]  Especially on Twitter, though.
[01:43:13]  I think women are so tolerant and accepting and just, yeah, you live your best life.
[01:43:18]  That's something in the modern era, like, you do you, honey bun.
[01:43:20]  But no, like, we have an obligation to stand up for truth and what's right and what's wrong.
[01:43:25]  And it took men standing up for a male-oriented company to come out and say, we will not handle this mockery of women.
[01:43:31]  Being a woman is not just wearing a skimpy outfit and going like, ha ha!
[01:43:34]  Dylan Mulvaney, I think, is evil.
[01:43:36]  Dylan Mulvaney is not trans.
[01:43:36]  I mean, I cried today.
[01:43:37]  Like women are strong.
[01:43:38]  Women are amazing.
[01:43:39]  And it disgusts me.
[01:43:41]  Dylan Mulvaney, I think, is evil.
[01:43:43]  I agree.
[01:43:44]  Sick and twisted.
[01:43:45]  Dylan Mulvaney is not trans.
[01:43:46]  And this is the example I use, but I think it bears repeating if we're talking about it.
[01:43:51]  We've had many friends of our shows, of the show, who have been guests multiple times trans.
[01:43:56]  Yeah.
[01:43:57]  And what has been explained to me in many independent circumstances by different people who suffer gender dysphoria, when Dylan Mulvaney started singing, look at my bulge, it proved Dylan is not trans.
[01:44:07]  Trans people who have dysphoria- They don't get excited about that.
[01:44:09]  Get excited and want 10 million people to see it.
[01:44:12]  No, they kill themselves when you misgender them.
[01:44:14]  Like, but the people who are suffering gender dysphoria get severe anxiety over something like that.
[01:44:21]  Dylan Mulvaney is doing, I guess, what the Kardashians do.
[01:44:25]  Or Madonna does.
[01:44:26]  Getting surgery to fit a persona for media and for... Personal gain.
[01:44:31]  Yeah, it's like, is this the third category?
[01:44:35]  Outside of there's the people who suffer from gender dysphoria, there are people who are fetishists, and then there's people like Dylan Mulvaney, who are like, I will be rich and famous if I do this.
[01:44:43]  Right?
[01:44:43]  Like, I've got messed up teeth.
[01:44:45]  Like, they're crooked, I'm genetically missing a tooth.
[01:44:47]  I don't care.
[01:44:48]  There is nothing that I care about in terms of going and spending two years getting surgery done and whatever.
[01:44:54]  It doesn't do anything for me.
[01:44:55]  There are other people who are like, if I want to be in this movie, I have to eat, you know, 10 pounds of chicken per week and lift constantly so that I can look like Thor.
[01:45:04]  You have to transform your body to be successful in this area.
[01:45:09]  And then you have beyond that, the people who say, working out won't cut it.
[01:45:13]  I need a bigger butt or whatever.
[01:45:14]  And so they get surgery or plastic surgery or implants so they can be that individual.
[01:45:19]  I look at Dylan Mulvaney as just another media personality who's trying to fit a caricature through body transformation like any other throughout the history of Hollywood, right?
[01:45:30]  Real trans people should be offended by all of this, by drag queens and phonies and Well, not so much drag queens.
[01:45:37]  Because, like... Drag queens know they're men, at the end of the day.
[01:45:40]  Yeah, like, drag is... Well, look, people are all different, but if we're going by, like, the true definition of drag, it is men who know they're men, who are putting on a performance, albeit, I think it's like... I believe it's adult entertainment.
[01:45:51]  It is.
[01:45:51]  It's gay burlesque.
[01:45:52]  Yeah, it's all sexualized.
[01:45:53]  And they hate when I say that.
[01:45:54]  They hate when I say that it's adult entertainment.
[01:45:56]  Not all of them.
[01:45:56]  We had the debate two weeks ago or whatever, you know, we had an older drag queen who was like, it's absolutely for adults, it's nightclub stuff, kids shouldn't be there.
[01:46:03]  And it's not like it's always sexualized, but it's adult entertainment in the same way like South Park is.
[01:46:08]  Like you wouldn't just drag your kids into your room if you're watching South Park, you'd say, can you guys... Not for you.
[01:46:14]  It's not for you, it's not polite.
[01:46:15]  You know, I...
[01:46:18]  I am offended by many trans men, the things they say about manhood and being a man, and it's probably the same way many women are offended by trans women.
[01:46:28]  This idea, you know, a man, a male will never know what it's like to be female, will never know what womanhood is, it's an impossibility.
[01:46:37]  It's true for both males and females.
[01:46:40]  There is no way for a person of a, and it's much the same as a short person will not understand what it's like to be a tall person or vice versa.
[01:46:47]  There's pros and there's cons, there's benefits.
[01:46:49]  The idea that we're entering this transhumanist world There's a lot of, like, offensive assumptions about what it is, what it's like to be someone else, and everyone always assumes it's always better.
[01:47:01]  Not everybody, but a lot of people are like, you know, a lot of, I'll say a lot of, like, incel or MGTOW.
[01:47:07]  I'm not trying to drag all of these guys, but they'll be like, women have an uneasy mode.
[01:47:11]  Women get to do this, that, or otherwise, and it's like, yeah, it's pros and cons.
[01:47:14]  Women, earlier in life, are more protected.
[01:47:18]  Women have an easier time getting entry-level positions and jobs at a younger age than men.
[01:47:23]  Men start off with... I'm just trying to cite anthropology studies.
[01:47:28]  I know the young Turks and feminists are going to start freaking out that I'm saying this.
[01:47:32]  Men start off life with zero social value.
[01:47:34]  They have no skills.
[01:47:36]  They can't protect families or protect anybody.
[01:47:38]  So they're considered low social status.
[01:47:41]  Right.
[01:47:42]  Women start life as the highest point of social status.
[01:47:44]  Valuable for family, for child-rearing, etc.
[01:47:47]  And then over time, it inverts.
[01:47:49]  As a man gets older and develops skills and stature and power, his social value increases.
[01:47:54]  As a woman gets older, her ability to nurture and rear children decreases, and so does social value.
[01:47:59]  I'm not saying these things are good things, but these are typically observed in all societies.
[01:48:03]  And so, you know, I forgot where I was going with that, but... Oh yeah, my point was, you have trans people, I could understand why a guy is like, women have it so much easier growing up and seeing that and wishing they had it easier in life, especially if they're a short effeminate male.
[01:48:16]  And then I see people like, you know, Elliot... Elliot Page.
[01:48:21]  These individuals who are female who have gone through a female existence being like, I actually feel like a man.
[01:48:27]  I'm like, you have no idea what men feel.
[01:48:30]  You have no idea what it's like to experience life as a man.
[01:48:32]  You have no idea what it's like to be treated like trash.
[01:48:37]  And I'm not saying every guy goes through this.
[01:48:38]  Some guys are born wealthy and privileged with silver spoons.
[01:48:41]  And men typically age slower than women do.
[01:48:44]  So trans women are obviously going to age slower than natural women do as well.
[01:48:49]  Collagen.
[01:48:49]  Twice the collagen in the skin.
[01:48:50]  So wrinkles and things like that.
[01:48:53]  But it's just like, I can understand what women are saying when they're like, trans women are insulting, you don't know what it's like, and there was this great, uh, Michael Knowles, I believe, was giving a speech, and he asked a trans woman, how do you know you're a trans woman?
[01:49:08]  And the individual, the trans woman, did not say, or what the trans woman said was, I heard a trans woman give a description of their experience, and then I realized.
[01:49:18]  And Michael Knowles says, okay, so that's not feeling like a woman, that's feeling like a trans woman, a different thing.
[01:49:22]  Right.
[01:49:23]  What's so bad about saying, I'm proud to be a trans woman?
[01:49:26]  Like, if they're so proud about who they are, and I don't agree with being proud about something that you have absolutely zero control over, that's not what I'm saying, but if you are proud of who you are, you should be proud to be a trans woman or a trans man or whoever you are.
[01:49:38]  Why do you need to be a woman?
[01:49:40]  Why do you need to be a man?
[01:49:42]  What's so bad about being trans?
[01:49:43]  If there's nothing bad about it, why not be proud about who you are as a trans person?
[01:49:48]  The answer is their entire sense of self rests on other people's approval of them.
[01:49:52]  I've said this argument a million times, especially when I used to table for Turning Point in Maryland.
[01:49:58]  I would have like a little table outside and get into debates with college students.
[01:50:01]  It got very heated and I forgot what I just said, honestly.
[01:50:07]  What did you ask again?
[01:50:09]  - Why are they proud to say they're trans? - So I've had people where they come up to me on social media too, people comment like, oh, we can't even tell that you're trans.
[01:50:18]  Like, ha ha ha, especially with the hate I get.
[01:50:20]  That was a big thing.
[01:50:21]  I'm like, so you guys are saying you claim to support trans people, but then you're using it as an insult.
[01:50:26]  But at the end of the day, I don't care.
[01:50:28]  My sense of self is not damaged one bit if you misgender me or call me a man, because I know I'm a woman.
[01:50:33]  But this is a really good point.
[01:50:35]  Two weeks ago, we had on two drag queens, one who was drag but also identified as trans, and the trans individual said, we want other people to treat us the way we see ourselves and see us the way we see ourselves.
[01:50:47]  That's impossible.
[01:50:48]  That's impossible.
[01:50:48]  With all the self-harm scars, do you want people to treat you?
[01:50:53]  Well, but this is my point.
[01:50:54]  When the left will insult right by saying like they'll call Ben Shapiro an incel.
[01:50:59]  And it's like, Ben Shapiro has children.
[01:51:01]  Four.
[01:51:02]  I don't think he's an incel, but we've had some disagreements over time, but I will definitely welcome him to a debate.
[01:51:10]  They say they don't care about traditional gender roles, but then use it as a point of attack.
[01:51:15]  They say things like, I can't even tell you're trans, because in their mind, they're like, if someone doesn't see me how I want to be seen, I'm hurt, so I will intentionally do that to you, but on whatever this side is, They don't realize it doesn't affect us because we're secure in our sense of self.
[01:51:30]  My sense and value of who I am is not determined by society.
[01:51:35]  I give myself my own value.
[01:51:36]  God gave me my value.
[01:51:37]  I know my value.
[01:51:38]  And that if only everybody knew their value, I think we would have a lot less societal problems because women put themselves in bad situations.
[01:51:44]  Right.
[01:51:45]  And I really feel like now that's recircling back to the beginning because I really do feel like I know my own value as well.
[01:51:51]  Like, I'm happy with myself, I'm happy with who I am as a person, and I'm happy knowing that, like, I'm one of God's children, and nobody can take that from me.
[01:51:59]  So, you know?
[01:52:03]  We, uh, I think maybe one of the big components of the culture were people who have no strength in self.
[01:52:09]  Right.
[01:52:10]  They fear how they're perceived, and that's why they fall in line, so they follow the mob.
[01:52:14]  It's why they engage in cancel culture, because they have to affirm themselves by getting approval from others.
[01:52:20]  Yeah, right.
[01:52:21]  It's the same when they would comment plus size queen on my videos.
[01:52:25]  What?
[01:52:25]  They used to always comment that.
[01:52:28]  I'm like, I'm size two.
[01:52:31]  That's the thing.
[01:52:32]  It was the people who would have in their bio body positivity, you know, celebrating people like Lizzo, who are like, probably way more than the submarine that got lost.
[01:52:41]  Like they, they support these people and then they come to my page and they comment these things, which just shows that Even the people that claim to support these wild leftist ideas, they know in their mind subconsciously whether they want to admit it or not, it's wrong and it just, it's not true.
[01:52:56]  It's not the truth and truth matters, word matters.
[01:52:58]  They're so far into their lies that they are believing them.
[01:53:01]  Yes, they don't even realize how... But not necessarily, I think...
[01:53:05]  Right.
[01:53:06]  They get a kick out of it.
[01:53:07]  for truth or honesty, they say things as a signal that they're part of the hive.
[01:53:07]  Yeah.
[01:53:12]  And that means they also know these things they claim are insulting to other people.
[01:53:16]  So body positivity, the machine tells me, I'll say it.
[01:53:20]  But I know that you're offended if I call you fat.
[01:53:22]  There's the, you know, I tweeted this out that we should start complimenting I was about to ask if it was you who said that, like, you like Lizzo?
[01:53:30]  Oh, you just like her.
[01:53:31]  But it's not a completely original idea to me.
[01:53:34]  My idea is derivative from a bunch of other ideas.
[01:53:36]  One was a joke where it's a guy said, if Lizzo is beautiful, how come the woman cried when I said she looked like Lizzo?
[01:53:44]  And I tweeted, we should start complimenting women by saying they look like Lizzo or Dylan Mulvaney.
[01:53:49]  And the media lost their minds.
[01:53:50]  They got offended by the idea.
[01:53:52]  And they're like, how dare he?
[01:53:53]  I'm like, why are you mad at me?
[01:53:55]  It's really weird.
[01:53:56]  If I virtue-signaled, if I was on the left and virtue-signaled in their direction and said that, they would be like, how brave!
[01:54:02]  But because they know I oppose them, they know what I'm saying is detrimental to their lives.
[01:54:06]  Absolutely none of their arguments hold water.
[01:54:08]  They know it.
[01:54:09]  We know it.
[01:54:10]  They know that we know it.
[01:54:13]  My favorite line has always been, if the Democrats didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have standards at all.
[01:54:20]  Rules for you, not for me.
[01:54:21]  It's all these things of, oh, you must support everyone's lifestyle.
[01:54:24]  It's really, if we take it for what it is, you must support everybody's lifestyle, whether or not your personal beliefs disagree with it.
[01:54:29]  You must not only support it, you must actively be an anti-racist in the same for all these other things.

=== Drafting Obligations (08:34) ===

[01:54:34]  You must actively go against people who don't support it.
[01:54:37]  Like, you have to become a warrior in our fight, even if you don't agree with us.
[01:54:40]  And if you don't, we will try to get you fired from your job.
[01:54:43]  We will call Your children's school will get you kicked out of your own school.
[01:54:46]  They will stop at nothing to destroy people who simply just want to live their own lives, which is all that they're asking that we respect other people to do.
[01:54:52]  It's a cult.
[01:54:54]  It's truly a cult and they're all brainwashed and then they come to tell us that we're brainwashed.
[01:54:57]  Respecting other people's lives no matter what they want to do.
[01:54:59]  Especially the feminists now.
[01:55:02]  They come to me.
[01:55:03]  One of my most viral videos got 12 million views on TikTok about talking about modern-day feminism and how I don't want to be equal to a man, I don't want to wear a suit to work, I want to wear a pretty dress.
[01:55:11]  Would you consider yourself a feminist at all?
[01:55:13]  Absolutely not.
[01:55:14]  I love femininity, but the modern-day feminism has led to the destruction of society, essentially, and I radically oppose these radical feminists.
[01:55:23]  Thank you for asking.
[01:55:25]  But with traditional femininity and the way that society is just led nowadays, it's just gotten so far off the beaten track where they don't even realize, like, we are just so off and removed from what true femininity should be.
[01:55:38]  Yeah.
[01:55:39]  I think we should force women to work on petroleum rigs and in sewers, right?
[01:55:46]  I mean, I'm being facetious, but when the first feminist waves came about, one of the big arguments against women's suffrage was voting rights came with civic responsibility.
[01:55:57]  Draft.
[01:55:58]  And fire brigade.
[01:56:00]  And the women who opposed it were like, I do not want to be on a fire brigade, this is insane.
[01:56:05]  But there were women being like, yes.
[01:56:07]  And then there were weak men being like, don't care, sure, whatever.
[01:56:09]  And then ultimately the extremely weak men said, I know, we'll win the votes of these women if we give them everything they want.
[01:56:17]  So they capitulate and say, women now have the right to vote with no civic responsibility.
[01:56:21]  Those charlatans.
[01:56:22]  It's a recipe for disaster.
[01:56:23]  Women should have the right to vote with civic responsibility.
[01:56:25]  Right.
[01:56:26]  And now women don't have to sign up for the Selective Service, men are forced to by law, but women get all the benefits and privilege of society without the responsibilities shared by men?
[01:56:34]  Totally sexist.
[01:56:36]  I believe it should be completely equal.
[01:56:38]  If we're gonna have equality, then women get civic responsibility along with men in every capacity.
[01:56:41]  I mean, I don't think anybody should have to sign up for the draft, but I don't, like, I understand the concern.
[01:56:47]  But do you guys really think that we're going to be drafted anytime soon?
[01:56:53]  Yes.
[01:56:53]  Yeah.
[01:56:53]  I mean, do you really?
[01:56:55]  Last year, the government started... I wrote a research paper on this about how probable it is that we have a new draft.
[01:56:59]  Maybe you guys know more about this than I do, but please educate me.
[01:57:02]  No, because my sophomore year of college, they started redoing the lottery draft, like started getting it in place again so that if we do need... China's willing to wage war on us at any moment in time.
[01:57:09]  Biden just activated the ready reserves.
[01:57:12]  Really?
[01:57:12]  Okay, see, I didn't know any of this, so thank you.
[01:57:14]  I appreciate that.
[01:57:16]  There are people who, when you sign up for the military, in your contract it's like four years and then you're out.
[01:57:23]  It includes a provision saying we can recall you back for another amount of time.
[01:57:27]  Does it count if they're trans?
[01:57:28]  Can a trans person be drafted?
[01:57:33]  Yes, they clarified this specifically that if you are male, it doesn't matter how you identify, we're drafting.
[01:57:39]  And if you're female, it doesn't matter, you cannot be drafted.
[01:57:42]  And they said, we don't care about your identity.
[01:57:44]  But Biden just called in, it's the Red River Reserves and what's the other one?
[01:57:50]  Anyway, he called people back and he's sending them to Europe, specifically over Ukraine.
[01:57:55]  Oh, let's say Ukraine.
[01:57:56]  So could we be drafted?
[01:57:57]  Yes.
[01:57:58]  Guys better start learning Russian.
[01:58:00]  Telling you what.
[01:58:01]  Ukrainian, Polish, Russian would be good to know right now.
[01:58:05]  Language is so important for survivability in conflict.
[01:58:07]  Best I could do is Hebrew.
[01:58:09]  I'll tell you, I was in Turkey and I went into a neighborhood where they were fighting with cops and they came up screaming in Turkish at me while holding a Molotov cocktail to my face.
[01:58:18]  What?
[01:58:19]  And I'm just like, I have no idea what they're saying, so I just put my hands up and smiled and just turned.
[01:58:22]  That's terrifying.
[01:58:23]  You pull out Google Translate.
[01:58:24]  Right.
[01:58:24]  Hello, I don't want to fight.
[01:58:26]  Except if you tried pulling out your phone while guys are screaming at you holding weapons, they might just shoot you.
[01:58:31]  Cut your hands off.
[01:58:32]  So, you know, learning these languages might be helpful if you want to learn how to say things like, don't shoot.
[01:58:36]  Russian is actually very easy.
[01:58:37]  I mean, it isn't easy to read, but to speak it, it's definitely very easy to learn.
[01:58:42]  I don't think she's still alive, but I just want to give a shout out to Phyllis Schlafly for stopping the ERA, which would have had women had to draft.
[01:58:51]  Thank you, lady.
[01:58:52]  I really appreciate it.
[01:58:53]  I do.
[01:58:54]  Because I don't think women should have to draft in general.
[01:58:57]  There is something in society that you get.
[01:59:00]  So I want to hear more about that.
[01:59:01]  There's something in society that I think you either get or you don't.
[01:59:04]  Women and children have inherently more value than men in society.
[01:59:08]  That is just something.
[01:59:10]  It's why in the Titanic it's a certain thing.
[01:59:11]  I don't like, I don't really even really know.
[01:59:14]  It just is a thing that you kind of get it or not.
[01:59:17]  If we all get drafted, then who's going to take care of the children?
[01:59:19]  Then the government's going to be taking care of the children.
[01:59:22]  Draft does not mean combat.
[01:59:24]  Okay.
[01:59:24]  So, uh, the first thing I'll say is the reason why women and children have more value.
[01:59:28]  One, children are the next generation.
[01:59:30]  Of course.
[01:59:31]  Women make great children.
[01:59:33]  If you have 100 men and 100 women and 99 men die, that one guy, he can have 100 babies in 9 months.
[01:59:40]  Because the women are the ones who make the babies and he just provides, you know, seed.
[01:59:44]  If 99 women die, You're done.
[01:59:47]  Society's over.
[01:59:48]  You're gonna have one baby in nine months?
[01:59:51]  In 20 years, maybe?
[01:59:52]  Nah, it's over.
[01:59:54]  That's why the women are always more valuable than the men.
[01:59:57]  As for drafting, the reason I think women should be drafted is I'm not talking about this colloquial draft and they send you to Vietnam.
[02:00:05]  That's stupid.
[02:00:06]  The draft is supposed to be In its purest form, we are attacked and we must defend ourselves.
[02:00:12]  And everyone is called to do what they can to protect our country from aggression.
[02:00:18]  So perhaps just taking care of the children just could be the...
[02:00:22]  and combat.
[02:00:22]  Okay.
[02:00:22]  But what I mean is, if, ladies, if you're at home with the kids, or without the kids, whatever it is you're doing, and a foreign invader is marching through the streets, the women are going to pick up whatever weapons they have available and defend their home the same as any other man would.
[02:00:38]  There is no question that if a woman is in her home, and the man is off at war, and an enemy invasion is marching through the town, that woman will unquestionably grab whatever weapon she has available to defend her home and their family.
[02:00:52]  That's what the draft is supposed to be.
[02:00:53]  The local warden or whoever comes up and says, ladies, yup, not an ideal situation.
[02:01:02]  We're bringing your kids to a safe location.
[02:01:04]  We're the only ones left to fight.
[02:01:05]  Of course the women are going to say yes.
[02:01:06]  They're not going to sit there and be like, no, I'll cower in fear.
[02:01:08]  They'll do everything they can to protect their kids.
[02:01:11]  So the idea of drafting is, in the more modern sense, Men are going to go fight, first and foremost, when it comes to a conflict and war, the men are on the front line.
[02:01:21]  Women can be manufacturing, they can be building industry and running infrastructure and doing everything to support at home because it's less preferable to have women running through the streets fighting in conflict.
[02:01:31]  But the draft isn't supposed to be, hey, there's a war in Vietnam because communists are spreading out.
[02:01:36]  So we're going to take our young men and send them over there.
[02:01:37]  That's insane.
[02:01:38]  So in the truest sense of conscription, I'm like, everybody should stand up and defend, you know, their neighborhood, their families.
[02:01:45]  I totally agree.
[02:01:46]  For the record, just let the record reflect that as much as like in terms of the traditional aspects and just values of men and women, I think women should have less obligations because we have certain other obligations that are not written into the law in society in a way, certain obligations with all the pains It's not just carrying a baby inside your stomach for nine months.
[02:02:06]  It's There are so many ways that your body changes.
[02:02:08]  Which soon they won't need us for.
[02:02:09]  I know, that's what I'm saying.
[02:02:10]  It's like, y'all are done.
[02:02:11]  We're gonna grow babies in bags.
[02:02:13]  Oh gosh, I hope not.
[02:02:14]  I want to have my own babies, but... You can.
[02:02:16]  God willing, I will have many of them.
[02:02:18]  Designer babies, genetically engineered in bags.
[02:02:21]  It's gonna happen.
[02:02:22]  Order them on Amazon.
[02:02:23]  I did hear you talk about that on one podcast that somebody shared it with me, so I, you know, I will be praying for you.
[02:02:28]  I do hope that that... Wait, what?
[02:02:31]  When it comes to, like, having children.
[02:02:32]  Oh yeah, thank you.
[02:02:33]  I love it.
[02:02:33]  Not right now, but God willing.
[02:02:34]  I'm excited to have many children one day.
[02:02:36]  But specifically, now I forgot what I was talking about again.
[02:02:41]  Sorry, I was also running four hours of sleep before the babies.
[02:02:44]  Baby is born in bags.
[02:02:44]  Oh yes, for the record, let the record reflect.
[02:02:47]  Even though with the value stuff and women, thank you, with all that stuff, I have my opinions.

=== Wrapping Up patriotism (02:13) ===

[02:02:51]  As an American citizen, as a Yankee doodle, as a patriot, I love this country with all my heart, and if we go to war with China, I will be the first person to pick up a rifle and say, ship me out there.
[02:03:01]  Let's go fight for freedom.
[02:03:02]  Because my family's immigrants, I am so grateful for the opportunities that America provides.
[02:03:06]  This is the greatest country in the history of mankind, and will forever be, and I would do anything to protect this country.
[02:03:11]  But I'm more of the, we should not be shipping out there.
[02:03:14]  Wherever I would have to go to protect America's borders, I would go without second thought, because I love this country.
[02:03:20]  I think anyone who isn't entitled to the rights should die for them.
[02:03:23]  Well, while we're on the topic of sex work, I mean, they also work as great spies, too.
[02:03:26]  They also have worked as great spies.
[02:03:28]  Oh, yeah.
[02:03:28]  Fun Fun.
[02:03:29]  Yeah.
[02:03:30]  No, for real.
[02:03:32]  Eric's, like... I mean, the best spy is probably a woman who's going to... I would love that job.
[02:03:40]  If we were in war... Oh, yeah.
[02:03:43]  I'm all over it.
[02:03:45]  Government, if you're watching, all the FBI agents who monitor our accounts, if you're watching this and you need an agent, we got you.
[02:03:53]  So that was great.
[02:03:55]  We'll wrap it up there, I guess.
[02:03:56]  We've a few minutes over, but it's okay.
[02:03:57]  So thank you guys for hanging out.
[02:03:59]  It was a fantastic discussion.
[02:04:00]  I hope everybody was enlightened and there'll be many a great debate on the internet.
[02:04:05]  Do you guys want to shout anything out before we wrap up?
[02:04:07]  Follow me on Instagram, TheDebraLea.
[02:04:09]  That's really all I could think to shout out, but this was really fun, and I was really glad to finally be on your show.
[02:04:13]  Thank you, Ted.
[02:04:14]  Yeah, this is great.
[02:04:15]  Yeah, thank you.
[02:04:15]  I also appreciate it.
[02:04:16]  My Twitter is Delta Asher Hill.
[02:04:18]  I am coming out with my new book soon.
[02:04:20]  It is called No Whores for Hire, and I did want to give a shout out to Spencer Hill, my spouse, and Norma Jean Omodabar.
[02:04:27]  You also gave me this book.
[02:04:28]  Yeah.
[02:04:28]  Sexual Liberty.
[02:04:29]  That is my first book.
[02:04:30]  Thank you.
[02:04:31]  Right on.
[02:04:32]  Cool.
[02:04:33]  All right.
[02:04:33]  Well, thank you guys for hanging out.
[02:04:34]  Thank you guys for watching.
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[02:04:37]  We've got, uh, next week is going to be wild.
[02:04:40]  I'm not going to say who yet.
[02:04:41]  It gets wilder.
[02:04:42]  Yeah.
[02:04:43]  So, uh, we have to, we have to bring security in for next week.
[02:04:47]  We're going to have a security guard in the room for next week's show.
[02:04:51]  And, uh, it'll be fun.
[02:04:53]  Cats aren't good enough.
[02:04:54]  But maybe, maybe we'll like, what I'm hoping is for the next shows on Monday, we can put up like a, this Friday, 10 in the morning, you know, here we go.
[02:05:02]  So anyway, we'll wrap it up there.
[02:05:03]  Thanks for coming, you guys.
[02:05:04]  Thank you.