The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #19 - Has The Right Gone WOKE, w/ Ashley St Clair & Katherine Brodsky
Aired: 2023-06-30
Duration: 02:16:13


=== Dylan's Controversial Clout (15:04) ===

[00:00:04]  - So I have these boost oxygens that I got, 'cause I saw an ad, I think it was on Instagram or something.
[00:00:12]  And you can tell, I sound a lot better, don't I?
[00:00:14]  Dude, the air is so bad outside.
[00:00:16]  The air quality index has it at like 174.
[00:00:18]  I don't even know what that means, just that it's bad.
[00:00:21]  And yesterday when I woke up, I couldn't even talk.
[00:00:24]  Today when I woke up, similar problem.
[00:00:26]  And I'm like, man, this is gonna suck.
[00:00:28]  And I remember that we have these like sports oxygen things that you just, you know, you take and you go.
[00:00:35]  And, uh, no joke.
[00:00:38]  Holy crap.
[00:00:38]  I can breathe.
[00:00:39]  This is crazy.
[00:00:40]  I've been, I've been freaking out on this all morning.
[00:00:42]  Yeah.
[00:00:43]  Yeah.
[00:00:43]  Uh, all of a sudden, like I can talk better.
[00:00:45]  I can think better.
[00:00:47]  The air really is that bad.
[00:00:48]  I don't think people notice how much bad air like screws them up.
[00:00:52]  We're going to talk about, we're going to, we're going to debate and discuss issues.
[00:00:54]  So I've got a couple of really cool guests with me.
[00:00:56]  Uh, do you want to introduce yourself first?
[00:00:58]  Sure, I'll introduce myself first.
[00:01:01]  My name is Katherine Brodsky and I am a writer of sorts, I suppose.
[00:01:08]  I suppose.
[00:01:09]  And what shall I tell people about myself?
[00:01:12]  How do you describe yourself politically, I guess?
[00:01:14]  I guess I describe myself as a liberal politically.
[00:01:19]  Sorry to Temple guests, I mean audiences.
[00:01:23]  I think many of them may actually agree with you.
[00:01:24]  Okay, good.
[00:01:25]  Thank you for agreeing with me.
[00:01:26]  I will send your checks in the mail.
[00:01:30]  I have no money, so I won't.
[00:01:32]  But you've been making the argument, or you wrote an article, The Rise of Right-Wing Woke.
[00:01:36]  I did do that, yes.
[00:01:38]  Well, you know, the thing about it is that I had originally started speaking up, like, so I wrote for a lot of, like, very mainstream publications, like Variety, Washington Post, Guardian, all that kind of stuff, right?
[00:01:52]  And originally what I was seeing on the left was specifically how there was a lot of kind of silencing culture and you know what people call woke.
[00:02:04]  But for me woke is really a type of behavior as opposed to just ideology.
[00:02:10]  And so I was actually pretty critical of kind of I actually don't like calling woke.
[00:02:17]  Because I think it's very divisive in many ways, but people have been using that word and not the original way, right?
[00:02:24]  Being kind of awakened to injustices.
[00:02:26]  So I started, you know, so I generally don't use that word so much, but if you use, but the way that that word has now been popularized, right?
[00:02:35]  We have been using it in a certain context.
[00:02:39]  I've found that, for me, it's about people's behavior.
[00:02:45]  And I originally found that on the left, you know, it's sort of the victim mentality, it's attacking people, it's the boycotting, it's the blaming, it's attacks, it's calling people Nazi, all those sort of things.
[00:03:01]  And I've been seeing the same thing now happening on the right.
[00:03:05]  So that's why I wrote about it.
[00:03:07]  Because to me, again, it's about behaviors.
[00:03:10]  I actually agree with you that it is happening on the right, but probably have a different stance on that, so this should be interesting.
[00:03:16]  Thanks for joining us.
[00:03:17]  And then we have Ashley St.
[00:03:18]  Clair.
[00:03:19]  Hello, hello!
[00:03:20]  I am the token right-wing extremist, minister of right-wing propaganda, here to debate Catherine here.
[00:03:27]  Right on!
[00:03:27]  I mean, is that how you describe your career, then?
[00:03:29]  No, no.
[00:03:30]  I'm the author of Elephants Are Not Birds.
[00:03:31]  You can get it at Brave Books.
[00:03:34]  Well, let's jump into that right away.
[00:03:36]  I suppose, I don't know if you want to respond to what Catherine said about right-wing woke?
[00:03:41]  I think I would just like to know what your definition of woke is, too.
[00:03:45]  I mean, that's a fair question.
[00:03:48]  So for me, I mean, the original definition of woke would have been, right, like awaken to injustices, right?
[00:03:55]  And that that would have been like the original leftist, I guess, definition of woke.
[00:04:00]  And then now, the way that people have been sort of using it is specifically towards the left is more putting everything in this kind of context of, everything is unjust, everything the way that people have been sort of using it is specifically towards the left is more putting everything in this kind of context of, everything And all the injustices in the world are based on that, right?
[00:04:27]  And then people using that as kind of a, they've sort of weaponized these things against people and use it to sort of silence, to cancel people, to also, you know, it's the cultural kind of currency.
[00:04:43]  And you mentioned boycotts.
[00:04:45]  Would you lump boycotts into canceling?
[00:04:47]  Like the woke does?
[00:04:48]  Depending on how you do it, I think, right?
[00:04:51]  I think people have the right to not support a company or not to purchase them.
[00:04:55]  Would you consider the Target and Bud Light boycotts woke?
[00:05:00]  I think to some extent, yes.
[00:05:02]  So I think, for example, yeah, so I would use the Bud Light, for example, in particular because it was a specific individual.
[00:05:09]  So I think it's okay for people not to purchase like Bud Light, for example.
[00:05:13]  What do you mean by it was a specific individual though?
[00:05:16]  Because it was Dylan Mulvaney?
[00:05:17]  Because it was Dylan Mulvaney, and because the idea was to go after one individual because a company decided to... You don't think that conservatives would have done it if it was any trans individual even similar to Dylan?
[00:05:33]  Well, sure.
[00:05:34]  I mean, even if it wasn't Dylan.
[00:05:36]  I think the idea of going after one person, I don't think... I don't think they would have.
[00:05:42]  These brands have had, like, RuPaul's Drag Race stuff before, and it was Dylan Mulvaney that really sparked this thing.
[00:05:49]  And I think... I don't think that the issue actually is because Dylan is either... Whatever your view is, either as a trans person or as a Borat-style character, as I've described it, I think the issue is more so that Dylan is particularly nails on a chalkboard to the average person.
[00:06:06]  So...
[00:06:08]  A lot of beer companies have had drag queens and other pride ads that nobody batted an eye over.
[00:06:14]  I think the issue is that Della Mulvaney as an individual is particularly grating and offensive.
[00:06:19]  Yeah, well, Pete, I know that conservatives really don't like Dylan Mulvaney.
[00:06:22]  And look, I can understand some of the issues that people have with Dylan Mulvaney in particular.
[00:06:28]  However, first of all, if you talk to a lot of people, especially liberals, they don't even know who that is.
[00:06:36]  The only reason I even know who Dylan Mulvaney is, is because there's this hugely disproportionate level of attention being paid by conservative sort of pundits.
[00:06:47]  I mean, as a woman, you don't think that he's particularly offensive?
[00:06:54]  I mean, this is an individual who, he really used that just as, because he was getting attention and clout from this.
[00:07:03]  First day being a woman, second day being a woman, and he reduces being a woman to this ridiculous caricature.
[00:07:09]  Yeah, wearing high heels in the forest.
[00:07:12]  Yeah, I mean, I think Dylan in general is a bit, perhaps a little bit ridiculous.
[00:07:16]  I don't feel offended, personally.
[00:07:19]  I do think Dylan is... I did find the girlhood part offensive.
[00:07:25]  I did find the tampon part offensive.
[00:07:27]  What about the bulge part?
[00:07:28]  Yeah, that's his whole shtick.
[00:07:30]  But I actually find the tampon part much more offensive, not from Dylan's point of view, but from the Tampax point of view, that Tampax would endorse someone like that because, well, it doesn't make sense.
[00:07:44]  But I don't think it's necessarily Dylan's fault in this case to accept this.
[00:07:50]  I think it's the corporation's that I would blame in this situation.
[00:07:55]  My response when you said a disproportionate amount of right-wing pundits focus on Dole Mulvaney.
[00:08:01]  Dole Mulvaney has what, like 13 million followers?
[00:08:03]  Yeah.
[00:08:03]  And is getting big brand sponsorships from Nike.
[00:08:06]  So if liberals, I think what you describe actually is fairly apt.
[00:08:10]  Liberals don't pay attention.
[00:08:11]  So you've got conservatives who are like, hey, something's not right here.
[00:08:15]  And I can't speak to, obviously, if you look at Matt Walsh, for instance, his view is particularly conservative and right-wing.
[00:08:23]  You know, his view is Dylan represents trans people and this is bad and this is wrong.
[00:08:27]  That is not my view.
[00:08:28]  My view is that Dylan is creating a Borat-like character that insults women and trans people, is extremely grating to the average person, exemplified by the Bud Light effect, and is doing no favors to trans people or women, and is actually creating fuel for conservatives to You know, levy their ideological differences with transgender ideology.
[00:08:51]  Well, I think he's... Which is it?
[00:08:55]  I don't know.
[00:08:56]  I know, I know what I just said.
[00:08:58]  I will clarify.
[00:08:59]  I don't believe that Dylan Mulvaney is trans.
[00:09:02]  Yeah.
[00:09:03]  Because trans people, people who are gender dysphoric, don't sing about having giant bulges.
[00:09:08]  Yes, they're ashamed of it.
[00:09:09]  So, we've had trans guests on the show, we have good friends of the show, people that we care about deeply who are trans.
[00:09:16]  Who have explained to us, someone who's suffering from gender dysphoria, it's an anxiety, it's dysphoria, would not make a video to 10 million people singing, look at my penis.
[00:09:26]  Because that would be the most dysphoria inducing thing you could do.
[00:09:30]  I think Dylan is perhaps confused.
[00:09:34]  I cannot speak, like I don't know Dylan.
[00:09:36]  I don't know what goes on in Dylan's mind.
[00:09:38]  I think Dylan could have all sorts of issues and confusion.
[00:09:41]  So I don't know.
[00:09:46]  I don't know what is happening to Dylan and I don't think Dylan is necessarily trying to do harm.
[00:09:53]  I think Dylan is trying to figure out for themselves what is going on.
[00:09:57]  I think it's inherently harmful for women.
[00:10:00]  To pretend to be a woman out of nowhere for a TikTok algorithm for clout for followers because if you look at the history of Dylan's content, it wasn't this way.
[00:10:11]  He was rewarded by an algorithm and by clout and by a following.
[00:10:16]  To pretend to be this ridiculous caricature of us.
[00:10:19]  But wouldn't you say that there is a general issue with people chasing clout and all sorts of green as this is just another example?
[00:10:26]  Yes, and the social contagion that has now grabbed Dylan is disproportionately harming women.
[00:10:34]  Yeah, I think, so if you look at, we went over this on the show, If you look at the earliest content from Dylan, it was like animal safari.
[00:10:44]  Yes.
[00:10:45]  And not getting that much traffic.
[00:10:46]  Then Dylan made, you know, being gay, got a little bit more views.
[00:10:51]  Then made a I'm non-binary, it got more views.
[00:10:54]  Then came out as trans, millions of views.
[00:10:57]  And the viewership really, really skyrocketed.
[00:10:59]  What I see with a character like Mulvaney, and the reason why so many people on the right Obviously, I'll say this first.
[00:11:05]  I think conservatives generally oppose gender ideology.
[00:11:09]  They have concerns about exposing their children to people who are trans.
[00:11:13]  They're conservatives, and conservatives have, you know, held traditional values.
[00:11:17]  For a lot of other people, they're just generally annoyed by Mulvaney.
[00:11:22]  What I've heard from regular people, you know, when I go out to, like, National Harbor in D.C., and I'm just hanging out, and I'm talking with people either at, like, restaurants or in the harbor or whatever, What I typically hear, and to clarify, I'm talking about seven to 10 people.
[00:11:36]  I'm not saying I went and surveyed the world.
[00:11:38]  Just hanging out with people who are in the area.
[00:11:40]  They say, disgust, is typically how they describe their view of this person.
[00:11:45]  I look at it like, one of my biggest concerns has been artificial intelligence, algorithms, and how it's manipulating everybody.
[00:11:52]  The rise of wokeness, to go back to that, I believe is specifically because Facebook incentivized keywords.
[00:12:02]  So if you wrote an article that got clicks, Facebook would promote it if it was getting attention, simply put.
[00:12:09]  So people, knowing that rage generates the most attention online, started making more and more content that was rage inducing.
[00:12:19]  So you start seeing more and more, around 2008, social justice issues skyrocket.
[00:12:23]  It's because these companies are making money, and the best example is Mike.com.
[00:12:27]  When they launched, they were a Ron Paul, pro-libertarian kind of thing.
[00:12:30]  Within a few years, they were quote-unquote woke.
[00:12:32]  Because that's what was generating traffic and revenue.
[00:12:34]  That's what Dylan Mulvaney is.
[00:12:36]  The earliest content was like animals and safari, and then you notice that when Dylan starts entering the LGBT stuff, more and more views come in.
[00:12:45]  So I think Dylan is more like Madonna.
[00:12:47]  So wouldn't you say that the content that's anti-Dylan is the same kind of thing?
[00:12:52]  Because the content that is anti-Dylan does the exact same thing.
[00:12:57]  It induces rage, it does really well on the clicks.
[00:12:59]  50-50.
[00:13:00]  To me, the things that harm women more, or the things that at least you could talk about more, that I think is fair game,
[00:13:08]  That people can have legitimate issues with, as for example, if we're going to talk about trans issues, it's going to be more, okay, children, if we're going to talk about school, at school sports, prisons, spaces, regardless of what your views are on these things, I think those are at least legitimate topics to discuss, but when you start going on about, to me, like Dylan and things like that, to me those are decoy topics,
[00:13:38]  And those are rage and clickbait topics.
[00:13:40]  I don't believe so.
[00:13:40]  I think he is the perfect example of what they're doing to erase women.
[00:13:45]  You saw recently, they want to call our female parts bonus holes.
[00:13:49]  Why don't you talk about that then, very specifically, as opposed to specifically just focusing on Dylan?
[00:13:55]  Because to me, Dylan is a decoy again, and I think it's about rage and clickbait.
[00:14:00]  Because if you put Dylan's name in it, that's what's going to generate the clicks, as opposed to talking about these very Sure, there are going to be people who use that because Dylan is popular, sure, but I still think it's a great topic because it's the perfect example of women being turned into this ridiculous caricature and being erased.
[00:14:20]  It's one person who is expressing themselves.
[00:14:22]  I think Dylan is frankly just confused.
[00:14:25]  Yes, Dylan is looking for attention.
[00:14:27]  A lot of people in this world are looking for attention in all sorts No, I think that's too kind to what Dylan's doing here because Dylan is very aware that they're going on and pretending to be a woman and taking away deals and other things from... Should I not say that?
[00:14:43]  Taking deals away from women?
[00:14:45]  Yeah, taking deals away from women, taking away opportunities from women, and putting himself into our space.
[00:14:52]  He's taking that away.

=== Cancelling Culture Conundrum (05:58) ===

[00:14:54]  I agree with you, actually, and I've talked about it quite a bit, that what I refer to as the Bud Light effect is two things.
[00:15:01]  One, the obvious big corporations are clearly getting scared that if they go anywhere near this stuff, they're going to lose money.
[00:15:07]  So Target was like, hey, move that stuff to the back.
[00:15:10]  Starbucks claims they never told staffers to take decorations down, but the union saying at a bunch of different stores, they have videos of it.
[00:15:17]  You can watch the videos of them taking it down saying we were told to.
[00:15:20]  But the Bud Light Effect is also that people will start to realize this is how you get viral.
[00:15:27]  This is how you make money.
[00:15:28]  So what'll end up happening is there's gonna be some 17-year-old who has a thousand followers, and they're gonna think to themselves, I really wish I had a million followers.
[00:15:37]  They're gonna go on YouTube, they're gonna go on TikTok, and they're gonna see people are getting views from criticizing Dylan Mulvaney, and they will start to do the same thing.
[00:15:44]  And they will get views.
[00:15:46]  And not just Mulvaney, though.
[00:15:47]  They'll talk about Bud Light, they'll talk about Target, they'll say, oh yeah, look at me, I'm anti-woke too, and their viewership will skyrocket.
[00:15:54]  There's a whole industry of being anti-woke and what I've seen specifically because in the beginning when I was seeing some of the stuff going really insane, right?
[00:16:04]  That was sort of the what we've been calling sort of wokeness.
[00:16:08]  There were all these people who kind of came out as being anti-woke warriors.
[00:16:12]  But what I've witnessed is people going getting really extreme themselves and how the rhetoric and how they attack it.
[00:16:20]  And we've seen sort of the same people who were noticing the aggressive behavior.
[00:16:27]  At this point, I've been called a Nazi by both sides, right?
[00:16:34]  I want to go on the record and say that I am not a Nazi.
[00:16:38]  You don't have to.
[00:16:40]  No, I'm kidding.
[00:16:42]  But that's the thing.
[00:16:44]  I mean, I would agree that there's a rise in the people who are using anti-woke warrior-ness to garner following.
[00:16:52]  Yeah, I think it's good too.
[00:16:54]  That both are using this to garner following.
[00:16:56]  I think it's absolutely fantastic.
[00:16:58]  How is that good?
[00:16:59]  That people are starting to see that by calling out wokeness they can receive fame and virality and all that stuff.
[00:17:05]  It's a fantastic thing.
[00:17:07]  How is that?
[00:17:08]  Okay, this is what drives me kind of crazy, because when I say, okay, you're doing the exact same thing as the people you were criticizing, and they say, well, look, we're just using your tactics against you now.
[00:17:21]  You're getting a taste of your own medicine.
[00:17:23]  And I say, okay, well, so you don't have any principles, basically.
[00:17:25]  And they're saying, well, we'll get principles when we win the war.
[00:17:29]  What tactics do you think are unprincipled from the anti-woke?
[00:17:33]  Because for the most part, what I see on the anti-woke, I really think the word is overused and I hate seeing certain people use it.
[00:17:40]  It's overused.
[00:17:40]  But what principles and tactics do you think are... You treat people as individuals.
[00:17:45]  You treat people fairly.
[00:17:47]  You don't attack people unwarrantedly.
[00:17:50]  You don't, like, call people names.
[00:17:53]  You don't cancel people.
[00:17:54]  I agree with those things.
[00:17:56]  Yeah.
[00:17:56]  Well, canceling is fairly, like, nebulous.
[00:17:59]  Like, what does that really mean?
[00:18:00]  Well, people go after people for their livelihood.
[00:18:03]  They attack people.
[00:18:04]  So one thing that I would get- Who's getting a- Well, I've even experienced- Mulvaney?
[00:18:10]  Mulvaney?
[00:18:10]  We were just talking about that.
[00:18:12]  Mulvaney has only become more and more popular because Mulvaney's also doing red carpets now.
[00:18:18]  At Target, there were people who were, like, for example, there was harassment of employees that was happening.
[00:18:24]  Now, I'll say on the reverse, like, there were bomb threats that were happening when the- Real quick though, the harassment- The bomb threats were from the left!
[00:18:29]  No, I know what I'm saying, on the reverse.
[00:18:31]  And the harassment of employees, that's, we don't have proof of that.
[00:18:34]  We just have, like, before the news, before there was any big, like, right-wing outrage over Target, Target had experienced what they said was confrontations with staff.
[00:18:45]  That's Target putting out an internal memo.
[00:18:47]  We don't know exactly what that means.
[00:18:48]  It could literally be a woman going, why are you doing this?
[00:18:51]  And then, like, walking away.
[00:18:52]  So to say, like, beyond that, we don't know.
[00:18:54]  Well, there are videos around, too, of people destroying stuff.
[00:18:58]  Yeah, destroying stuff.
[00:19:00]  There are videos of people confronting... I'm not talking about necessarily Target, because I haven't seen those necessarily videos, but I've seen other videos.
[00:19:09]  You did ask a question.
[00:19:10]  I don't want to miss it when you said, why is it a good thing?
[00:19:12]  So I want to say a few things.
[00:19:13]  One, cancelling The initial concept of cancelling was, uh, an example.
[00:19:19]  There was a NASCAR driver whose father, in the 80s, said the N-word.
[00:19:24]  So he lost sponsors 40 years later.
[00:19:27]  And like, that makes no sense.
[00:19:29]  That's cancellation.
[00:19:30]  Sarah Silverman did blackface a long time ago.
[00:19:34]  It was considered edgy, but socially acceptable.
[00:19:36]  10 years later, she loses a movie role.
[00:19:38]  That's cancelling.
[00:19:39]  If someone comes out today, like Dylan Mulvaney, and does something that is offensive to people, and that results in a loss of sponsorships, that is not, in my view, what cancelling has traditionally been.
[00:19:50]  Like, if a person right now does a bad thing, and we say, you did a bad thing, so we don't want to associate with you, but that's how it's always been, no matter who you are, no matter... The idea of cancellation emerged in that we are digging up people's past histories to remove them That's the difference.
[00:20:05]  Well, to me, canceling isn't.
[00:20:07]  Yes.
[00:20:08]  I mean, I do think there should be, as we say, consequences, right, for poor behavior.
[00:20:13]  But to me, it's not.
[00:20:15]  I think also there's disproportionate effect From somebody saying something that doesn't warrant the effects that they're getting.
[00:20:26]  So if somebody lobbies for someone losing their job over saying something, a little joke, or not even doing anything, sometimes people make things up or start campaigns.
[00:20:37]  There's all these people on Twitter right now, for example, who start these threads trying to have people lose their jobs.

=== Sense Of Victimhood (07:14) ===

[00:20:45]  But I don't really see that from the right.
[00:20:47]  I see that from the right all the time.
[00:20:49]  It's definitely... There's a sense of victimhood.
[00:20:53]  Like, this is the other thing that I see is like, and this is something that traditionally was really associated with the left, is the sense of like, we're victims.
[00:21:01]  And this is what I think happens a lot is like, we're victims.
[00:21:04]  And now when we get a little bit of power, we start using this victim, excuse of victimhood to then go after people.
[00:21:13]  Because we feel like we're entitled to it.
[00:21:15]  And so what I'm seeing now is those those very same people who felt like they were victimized, which, frankly, in some ways they were because there was this institutional power that was used against them.
[00:21:25]  Right.
[00:21:26]  And at this point, I think conservatives have had things like they were silenced, they were deplatformed.
[00:21:33]  All these things did happen to them.
[00:21:34]  They've lost jobs.
[00:21:35]  So I do want to acknowledge that that is true.
[00:21:39]  But a lot of them feel extremely victimized and now they feel like there's the excuse because they were victimized to go after other people and there's this rage that's building and I feel it's very dangerous.
[00:21:51]  So to go back to what I was mentioning before, you said I said it was good, you said why, and so now I'll get to that.
[00:21:58]  People have moral frameworks and traditionally in the United States the moral framework has been based on Judeo-Christian values.
[00:22:06]  Very much, you know, this country has been Christian for a very, very long time.
[00:22:10]  People eventually started moving away from organized religion to varying degrees.
[00:22:13]  We're seeing a rise in secularism.
[00:22:14]  However, even with that, many people in this country who describe themselves as secular or liberal, especially staunch atheists, actually still have Judeo-Christian moral frameworks, such as Bill Maher being the best example.
[00:22:25]  Bill Maher believes in free speech.
[00:22:26]  Bill Maher believes in the right of the innocent until proven guilty.
[00:22:29]  These things are actually rooted in the Bible.
[00:22:32]  The simplest example, without going into Bible study, and I am not a Christian by the way, is the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.
[00:22:37]  If there is but one righteous man, I will not destroy these cities.
[00:22:40]  And it was God talking to Abraham, Lot was in the city, blah blah blah.
[00:22:43]  Abraham's like, there's good people there, you can't do this.
[00:22:46]  This is what informed Blackstone when he made his formulation.
[00:22:49]  It is better that ten guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer.
[00:22:53]  Ben Franklin went up that to better than 100 guilty persons escape.
[00:22:57]  So those are actually rooted in the teachings of the Bible.
[00:22:59]  You will end up now with secularists who hold those values not realizing where it comes from.
[00:23:05]  The reason why I think it's a good thing is that the modern left, what we describe as woke, has no moral framework.
[00:23:09]  Their moral framework can be described as post-modernist or fascistic.
[00:23:13]  Fascistic in the sense that they believe there is no truth but power, which is a core ethos of many of the, like, what I would describe as, like, higher level thinkers among what we would describe as woke.
[00:23:25]  They believe that there is no truth but power is the simplest way to explain their moral framework, which is described academically by the late David Graeber, the anarchist anthropologist who despised being called that.
[00:23:38]  That was a fascistic moral philosophy.
[00:23:41]  That is not something held by the modern, what we've described as culture war right, who holds a classical liberal and Judeo-Christian moral frameworks.
[00:23:51]  What ends up happening is you get to these positions where Classical, uh, conservatives are very classically liberal in a certain sense.
[00:23:59]  They're civil libertarian in a certain sense.
[00:24:01]  Not all of them, some of them are actually very authoritarian.
[00:24:05]  But you end up with them saying for the longest time, live and let live, we accept that.
[00:24:08]  We disagree with what they do, but they're not doing anything about it.
[00:24:13]  I'll give you an example.
[00:24:13]  In West Virginia, I've been ranting about Berkeley County, 86% of the state, it's 86% Trump supporting the state.
[00:24:20]  Berkeley County had a drag show in public with children.
[00:24:23]  That's illegal in West Virginia, unquestionably.
[00:24:26]  In fact, it's illegal to cohabitate if you're not married in West Virginia.
[00:24:30]  Not that I think they should enforce that law.
[00:24:32]  The point is, even though this state is the second most Trump-supporting conservative state, they do nothing about the things they think are morally wrong or violate their moral framework.
[00:24:42]  This is because they are complacent and, to a great degree, classically liberal in that, you know, we're going to let you do your thing, we're going to mind our own business.
[00:24:52]  That has led to a rise in a second country within a country that we've described as a multicultural democracy emerging within a constitutional republic.
[00:25:05]  What happens?
[00:25:07]  The more the multicultural democracy faction, what we would describe as woke, gain political power and use untoward tactics like cancellation, false victimhood, manipulations, lying in the press, etc., the more ground they take from the civil libertarians who reach the point of the pendulum swing, grab the pendulum with full force, and say, I now understand, we are involved in a cold civil war, as described by a Princeton professor, not my words, or we're in a culture war, And you know what?
[00:25:37]  When it comes to war, it's conflict, and everyone tries to avoid it, but at a certain point when someone's smashing through your borders, you decide you have to do something to push back.
[00:25:45]  Abraham Lincoln famously suspended habeas corpus.
[00:25:48]  People called him a tyrant for it.
[00:25:50]  We look back fondly on Abraham Lincoln for all that he did.
[00:25:53]  Conservatives now looking at this are saying, we must use culture war tactics lest these people actually destroy our culture.
[00:26:00]  That's why I think it's a good thing that people are starting to say, hey look, there's opportunity here, we can win, and we're going to win.
[00:26:07]  Yeah, and maybe, I guess I am more of an idealist in that way, but I just don't believe in abandoning certain principles in order to win a war, because in that case I'm like, what's the point of being on the winning side if you're going to be exactly the same as the side that you're fighting against?
[00:26:24]  Right, so do you think Abraham Lincoln was wrong to suspend habeas corpus?
[00:26:28]  I don't know.
[00:26:28]  Do you think Abraham Lincoln was wrong to rule by edict?
[00:26:32]  Well, because you're looking back at the winnings and you're saying, okay, this was a better outcome.
[00:26:38]  I mean, suspending habeas corpus violates the entire spirit of this country, the spirit of the nation, the rights granted by the Founding Fathers.
[00:26:45]  Abraham Lincoln outright, he tried, I don't know if this is apocryphal, but if you read history there's a debate over it, tried to arrest a Supreme Court justice for disagreeing with him.
[00:26:56]  Members of the Maryland legislature were arrested for having Confederate sentiments, despite the fact that Maryland, a slave state, was with the Union.
[00:27:05]  Like, you can't defend those tactics, but we understand, in war, we did not want the Confederacy to win.
[00:27:12]  I understand, and it's sort of what you were also talking about earlier, when you were saying, you know, do you let ten innocent men, you know, go to get, or guilty men go to get the guilty one, right?
[00:27:23]  And my thinking on that has actually changed a bit, especially when you're, like, looking at, say, the Me Too era.
[00:27:30]  You know, and there was a time where I might have thought a little bit differently about that, but I've also like heard stories.
[00:27:36]  Which way?
[00:27:36]  Agreeing with the formulation or disagreeing?

=== Pride and Perceptions (15:15) ===

[00:27:39]  Well, I think it's better to let the guilty men go, to be honest, because I want to protect the innocent.
[00:27:45]  Absolutely.
[00:27:46]  Yeah, because I've known some people who were innocent who got caught, and it's a tough one.
[00:27:51]  It's a tough one.
[00:27:52]  It's not.
[00:27:53]  I think it's the easiest thing ever, but wokeness takes the opposing view that it is better that 10 innocent people suffer than one guilty person escaped.
[00:28:01]  Correct, which is why I don't agree with it on either side.
[00:28:04]  And so when I see it happening on both ends, I oppose to it regardless.
[00:28:10]  Because to me, again, I see it as a behavior as opposed to just an ideology.
[00:28:15]  I don't see the right as going after innocent people.
[00:28:17]  No, it's so much more than that.
[00:28:20]  I mean, we're talking about boycotts and how boycotts are woke, but the left has weaponized wokeness and put wokeness into our Department of Justice, into our- they have judicial activists sitting on our courts right now.
[00:28:34]  It's so much more than just, I don't like this idea being pushed on me, I don't like trans people, I don't like this.
[00:28:41]  There's people in jail right now, sitting in jail, having their civil rights violated for just being present on January 6th.
[00:28:48]  Yeah, and that one is a bit of a hard one for me to talk about because I'm not.
[00:28:51]  What principles do you have at that point?
[00:28:53]  What principle, I mean, what is fair in war when you have the FBI colluding with Big Tech, colluding with Twitter to censor the Hunter Biden laptop story?
[00:29:03]  They worked with Big Tech.
[00:29:04]  The FBI worked with Twitter to do what they constitutionally could not and censor a story.
[00:29:10]  Yeah, I mean, I do agree that when we're talking about, you know, censorship and things like that, I think we can all agree that, you know, government getting involved in censorship is never a good idea.
[00:29:24]  When we're talking about, I mean, but we are also like, for example, like for me, I do uphold the values of free speech, which I do think is a liberal value that has in some ways, in many ways, has been abandoned, sadly, by a lot of liberals.
[00:29:39]  Not all, but a lot.
[00:29:41]  And, you know, but I also look at something, for example, there was a case recently the fire took on.
[00:29:48]  And and this is on the conservative side.
[00:29:50]  And by the way, there's many examples like I'll call out my side, too.
[00:29:54]  Right.
[00:29:54]  There's a lot of violations that on the left.
[00:29:57]  But but this one is on the right.
[00:29:59]  For example, there was a it was a drag show on a university campus.
[00:30:06]  It was a fundraiser.
[00:30:08]  These are adults.
[00:30:09]  And that was the the dean of the university cancelled it and uh and so right now there's like a lawsuit happening and so that's like an example for example where I do think that's a violation of speech.
[00:30:21]  You might not like the drag show but these are adults making their decisions.
[00:30:25]  But I also don't have as much of a problem with that because these universities ban Ben Shapiro who's you know like he's He's about as tall as a Happy Meal toy.
[00:30:32]  And I don't think they should.
[00:30:35]  And I don't think they should.
[00:30:37]  I don't think they should.
[00:30:38]  And nobody's suing because no one's suing because they didn't let Ben Shapiro out there.
[00:30:41]  Well, I mean, FIRE is an organization that I've come across more recently that does seem to do work on both ends, right?
[00:30:48]  And uphold, and I think they should.
[00:30:49]  I mean, that's where I'm like, like, what I believe in is like, you know, regardless, again, regardless of the spectrum, you should be kind of upholding equal, you know, But they're not.
[00:30:59]  The issue with wokeness is, like I said, it's infected even our Department of Justice at this point.
[00:31:05]  It's inherently evil.
[00:31:07]  And they don't have the same respect for the other side that, as soon as the right starts playing the same game, it's like, oh, slow down, that's a little too mean.
[00:31:17]  It's a conflict.
[00:31:18]  Yes, there's no line for the left, though.
[00:31:20]  You're allowed to throw us in jail.
[00:31:22]  You're allowed to destroy our livelihoods.
[00:31:24]  And I think we need to make distinctions, right?
[00:31:27]  And I'll make a distinction on both sides.
[00:31:28]  Like, okay, so there is the radical left.
[00:31:31]  There's the radical right.
[00:31:32]  There are people that I talk to on the right who are, for example, they see what I'm seeing on the right that's happening.
[00:31:39]  There are people on the left who are seeing what I'm seeing.
[00:31:42]  What do you mean what's happening on the Okay, well, what I'm seeing is a more aggressive, more sort of, like what I'm talking about in terms of an increased sort of wokeness on the right, where there is more aggressiveness, more hostility, there are also calls to violence, there is, I mean, I've had death threats from the right, I've had death threats from the left.
[00:32:04]  Right, like that stuff is happening.
[00:32:06]  That's what I think is really important to acknowledge that that stuff is happening across spectrums and you kind of have to look at the mirror and and acknowledge because otherwise that stuff is going to fester and grow and I know it's happening in anger.
[00:32:20]  I know it's happening out of a counter reaction, but that doesn't excuse it.
[00:32:24]  Let me just say.
[00:32:27]  Every prominent right-wing personality condemns calls for violence.
[00:32:32]  I would say every prominent left-wing personality called for violence against the Covington kids, and many prominent leftists celebrated Andy Ngo being mercilessly beaten in the street.
[00:32:42]  These are the distinctions.
[00:32:43]  When Antifa goes out and firebombs buildings, they get celebrated.
[00:32:46]  When the right goes out and marches down the street, they get called terrorists.
[00:32:50]  Well, all I'm gonna say is that when that happens, it's bad.
[00:32:55]  When people don't call that out on the left, that's wrong.
[00:33:00]  When they celebrate it, it's wrong.
[00:33:03]  But that doesn't make it okay when that happens, right?
[00:33:06]  But no one on the right... I mean, I'll call it out.
[00:33:09]  Ben Shapiro's never gonna come out and be like, it was a good thing, this bad thing happened.
[00:33:13]  Ben Shapiro won't, but there are definitely people who cheer that out.
[00:33:17]  Like who?
[00:33:17]  Like small nobodies that no one ever heard of?
[00:33:20]  I mean, when it came to the Covington kids, you had people who worked at Disney tweeting out wood chippers with blood spraying from it.
[00:33:26]  You had, I think it was Reza Aslan, multi-millionaire media personality, saying the kid had a punchable face.
[00:33:35]  Well, I'm not here to defend people doing that.
[00:33:39]  But you can't play this false equivalence of, people on the right have been doing this thing, sure, who though?
[00:33:44]  Like small fringe nobodies that no one cares about?
[00:33:46]  Well, of course, everyone agrees that's bad.
[00:33:48]  It's not just fringe.
[00:33:53]  Sure, there are like, look, the issue comes down to there are certainly personalities on the right with followings who will say really nasty things, but the prominent personalities on the right will denounce all of it, and the prominent personalities on the left will support almost all of it.
[00:34:09]  It's an inversion.
[00:34:10]  When you have people who work at Disney, when you have Kathy Griffin, for instance, she loses her job at CNN, you know, because posting that photo of Trump's, you know, separate, I mean, crazy stuff.
[00:34:21]  But you have very prominent, high-profile leftists cheering on violence.
[00:34:25]  And then you have fringe, moderate, you know, small personalities on the right who may sometimes excuse or call for violence.
[00:34:33]  And then they use those to paint a whole picture of the right, which is not true at all, but I think it's intellectually dishonest to conflate the tactics of the woke left and this counter-offensive that we're seeing from the right.
[00:34:48]  I don't think they're comparable.
[00:34:49]  But do you think just because they're not as major, the personalities aren't as famous, that doesn't make it, like, significant?
[00:34:57]  The fact that there is quite a few people?
[00:35:00]  If I saw a dude waving a communist flag out in the middle of the street, and then he started threatening people, I'm not going to blame all of the left for the action of the individual.
[00:35:09]  I'm also not blaming all of the right for the actions of the individual.
[00:35:12]  But you say, I'm seeing it on the right, despite the fact that the overall majority of, like, the political movement on the right denounces this every turn, and the political movement on the left cheers for it.
[00:35:24]  Well, I am seeing a lot of it on the right.
[00:35:28]  I will not say that it's all of the right.
[00:35:30]  But what is it though?
[00:35:30]  What is it that you're seeing?
[00:35:32]  Calls for violence?
[00:35:33]  There are calls for violence.
[00:35:35]  There's calls for civil war.
[00:35:37]  There are calls for separation.
[00:35:40]  There are calls for... On the right and the left.
[00:35:44]  Yeah, sure.
[00:35:44]  Even Sarah Silverman famously made that video where she's like, Civil War, and it's like, don't look at me!
[00:35:51]  And everyone's like, drink when Tim says it.
[00:35:52]  I'm like, I didn't make these ideas up.
[00:35:54]  I got them from the Princeton professor guy, from the New York mag and stuff, and even Sarah Silverman's talking about it.
[00:35:59]  But a lot of libertarians are talking about it.
[00:36:01]  I don't think it's a left or right thing to say that.
[00:36:04]  And I do hear, I mean, I certainly have heard many people also on the right denounce that stuff and say that that's not good and they don't like where some that kind of rhetoric.
[00:36:14]  So that's not, I'm certainly not saying that everyone on the right is that's the way that they're thinking, I'm not.
[00:36:21]  But there is enough of a movement towards that that I find that alarming.
[00:36:26]  And I wasn't seeing that so much, like maybe even a year and a half ago. - It's not, so I suppose the way I'd look at it is, the woke faction, You know, because left and right is fairly vague.
[00:36:39]  Like, what does it even describe?
[00:36:40]  Somebody said a good way to look at it is more like pro-authoritarianism and... Not.
[00:36:45]  No.
[00:36:47]  Because they're... I've heard it a million times.
[00:36:51]  You've got the true battle is libertarian versus authoritarian.
[00:36:53]  I'm like, nah, that's not true.
[00:36:55]  Like, hang out with some of these people on the right and they're going to talk about, like, we should ban this thing at a federal level or whatever it may be.
[00:37:01]  And some... I've heard people say it's nationalism versus globalism, and I'm like, that's absolutely not it.
[00:37:06]  I think it is... Stephen Marsh, we had on the show, he's a liberal guy, he said, there is a multicultural democracy growing with the United States, and it cannot coexist with the Constitutional Republic, and he said that he was more the multicultural democracy faction.
[00:37:22]  I think that hit the nail on the head with the hammer.
[00:37:25]  You have someone like me, for instance.
[00:37:27]  My politics probably land somewhere in the traditional Democrat, traditional liberal space.
[00:37:32]  But when it comes to issues of fact and morality, I'll be called right-wing for these things.
[00:37:38]  Because my views typically align with individuality in the Constitution, whereas the left eschews these values as they come from racist white slave owners, they put out things like the 1619 Project.
[00:37:51]  So, left and right...
[00:37:53]  Somewhat vague and nebulous, but that's the big conflict that I think is happening.
[00:37:57]  But I think you're accused of being right-wing when you speak logically and about facts more, because wokeness and the left has become entirely absorbed with rejecting reality.
[00:38:07]  Oh yeah, and reality has a right-wing bias right now.
[00:38:09]  Yes, there's nothing moral about wokeness.
[00:38:12]  Their entire goal is to destroy truth.
[00:38:16]  Here's an example.
[00:38:18]  I say Joe Biden is on camera threatening to withhold congressionally approved loan guarantees unless the Ukrainian president fires a prosecutor that is by definition a quid pro quo he is not legally authorized to engage in by saying that they call me conservative.
[00:38:34]  And I'm like, but it's a fact statement.
[00:38:35]  Because reality is antithetical to wokeness, to the entire left, because if they can destroy reality and truth, then they can destroy the entire notion of good and evil, good and bad as we know it.
[00:38:47]  Facts are right-wing.
[00:38:48]  Yes, yes.
[00:38:49]  Facts are literally right-wing.
[00:38:50]  Well, okay, that's okay.
[00:38:53]  But look, this is the fascinating thing about the culture war debate.
[00:38:59]  We put out a video clip.
[00:39:00]  We have a reporter on the ground, Elad Eliyahu.
[00:39:02]  He films people marching, saying, we're coming for your children.
[00:39:05]  Tim Cass News tweets, marchers chant, we're coming for your children.
[00:39:08]  We did not opine on the fact.
[00:39:10]  And we filmed several clips from the march.
[00:39:13]  It was just coverage of the march.
[00:39:15]  All of these corporate press outlets call us a right-wing channel for doing so.
[00:39:18]  It's like it's a smear.
[00:39:20]  For simply having done the reporting, we're right-wing.
[00:39:22]  Wait, was that your video?
[00:39:23]  That was our video.
[00:39:24]  That's right.
[00:39:25]  Our reporter covered that.
[00:39:26]  So, okay, so I'm just curious.
[00:39:28]  Was that video... How many people were actually, like, chanting that?
[00:39:33]  If you look at it, it could be seven or eight.
[00:39:36]  But we didn't... Elad didn't tweet out.
[00:39:38]  How dare these people say that?
[00:39:40]  He said, marchers chant, we're coming for your children.
[00:39:43]  And it's part of a long thread of a bunch of things they had been saying.
[00:39:46]  We did not condemn or opine in our reporting.
[00:39:50]  We simply showed people a collection of videos of what had happened.
[00:39:54]  Now I personally opine on it a lot, but they call the clip itself right wing or whatever for simply pointing out the thing happened.
[00:40:03]  And then they lie like insanely about it.
[00:40:06]  But this is the point.
[00:40:09]  I go on the ground and say, hey, thing happened.
[00:40:13]  If that thing offends the sensibilities of the woke, they will call me a right wing for having noticed it.
[00:40:19]  This is what left and right means.
[00:40:21]  If you stick to the facts, you're right wing.
[00:40:28]  But also, you pick certain things to cover, and they pick certain things to cover, and those, by choosing one thing over another thing, that is a type of narrative too.
[00:40:40]  You can't accuse someone of having political values for choosing to cover a story.
[00:40:43]  Yeah.
[00:40:43]  Well, you can if you choose to cover one story, not another story.
[00:40:47]  If you choose to cover this thing and not another thing.
[00:40:49]  And how they treated Tim!
[00:40:50]  That makes literally no sense.
[00:40:51]  Why does it not make sense?
[00:40:52]  So, Anderson Cooper is pro-war for covering war?
[00:40:55]  That makes no sense.
[00:40:56]  No, but if you only cover one side of a story and you don't cover another side of the story, that is... What's the side of the story in filming a Pride March?
[00:41:02]  No, but if you, okay, if you put a particular clip on, right, you say there's all these things happen.
[00:41:08]  It's like this, okay, when we had the truckers thing in Canada, right?
[00:41:12]  And one thing that the media did is they only put out the pictures of the Nazi flags, right?
[00:41:22]  And then the rest of it was not Nazi flags, right?
[00:41:26]  And they built, yeah, right.
[00:41:27]  All the time.
[00:41:28]  But that's what I'm saying by only covering But if you only, but that's what I'm saying.
[00:41:33]  You build a narrative by only - But so Elan's thread, you know, for example, if you want to go back to the thread, it showed the entirety of pride.
[00:41:39]  It showed a lot of different angles of pride. - And we're called right wing for him covering it in general. - If he covered it in general, then that's not. - Those smears, that's wokeness.
[00:41:48]  What they did to Tim, and a lot just for covering something, for showing truth, for showing reality, and then smearing him as right-wing, smearing him as a Nazi, that's wokeness.
[00:41:57]  That's not, to me, that's not comparable to people not buying Bud Light anymore, at all.
[00:42:02]  I do think it's absolutely fascinating that the left has taken on the identity of supporting child sex changes and children being welcomed to sex shows, and if you oppose that, you're right-wing.
[00:42:13]  And I'm like, But I do want to say that one thing that's happening is like um you know so one thing is like everyone gets called libtard or whatever but the truth is like people do still have a multitude of points of views on the left it's like what happens is like the people that get amplified are the like more extreme voices the truth is like if I talk to people like I'm looking at your expression but like no because I agree.

=== Dialogue Matters (09:43) ===

[00:42:41]  And the left supports them and defends them.
[00:42:42]  And puts them in positions of power.
[00:42:44]  Sure, so the people get amplified, but that's the thing, right?
[00:42:48]  Because I talk to people and their points of views are really diverse in all these topics.
[00:42:53]  One thing that I do find, it does make it really difficult sometimes to have conversations, including about, say, trans issues, is because it does get put up as a right-wing issue.
[00:43:04]  And so because it becomes like sort of a right wing issue to have any concerns about these things it does make it like so that a lot of people are kind of scared to talk about it.
[00:43:14]  But your team did that!
[00:43:17]  I realize.
[00:43:18]  I do.
[00:43:18]  I realize.
[00:43:19]  I'm trying to help the situation.
[00:43:21]  I'm trying to do my part.
[00:43:23]  That's the wokeness.
[00:43:25]  You're not allowed to.
[00:43:26]  I get it.
[00:43:26]  I get it.
[00:43:27]  I'm trying to do my part by speaking and I think that's the only thing you can do.
[00:43:31]  It is.
[00:43:32]  The dialogue is some of the most helpful.
[00:43:33]  You have to have the dialogue.
[00:43:34]  We have to not be so scared and I think when people like me and others talk about it I think it does make it so a little bit safer for other people to start talking about it but I found that when I'm having these conversations with people because I'm like not this radical they're like
[00:43:53]  When we have these conversations, people are much, much, much more sensible about these things, but because the point of view that people on the right are being presented with, people on the left are being presented with, they think that everybody's view is just that radical one, and that's all that's being heard, and that creates a false narrative, a false perception of reality, of what people think.
[00:44:18]  I sort of agree, I mostly disagree.
[00:44:20]  If you have a leadership structure that you support, that espouses certain views, and then you say, but I personally disagree, sure, but you're lending all of your power and support to the views you disagree with, that makes no sense.
[00:44:32]  On the right, you have everyone fighting with each other and arguing all the time.
[00:44:35]  You know, I can have somebody on this show and I will state my opinions on, like, progressive taxation or, you know, argue with libertarians on whether taxation is theft, argue with pro-lifers on, you know, the restrictions on abortion and things like that.
[00:44:50]  Those disagreements happen all the time.
[00:44:51]  On the left, they're either like, I'm too scared to speak, so I'll just let the craziest person have the microphone.
[00:44:57]  Yeah, then you're supporting it.
[00:44:59]  Unless, like...
[00:45:01]  No, I agree.
[00:45:01]  I agree.
[00:45:02]  I think that's a huge problem on the left.
[00:45:04]  I think the left needs to have more disagreements.
[00:45:06]  I think they do need to have way more voices represented.
[00:45:10]  I mean, I think there is a huge political issue as well, where you have, like, really two sides and two candidates every election.
[00:45:17]  In the US, in Canada, it's the same thing, essentially.
[00:45:20]  Well, in Canada, you really only have one party.
[00:45:23]  Pretty much because the other parties don't have any real power so it's very like that creates like power wise power structure wise you really don't have really choices and so if you really don't If you don't really agree enough with one side or the other, it feels like you have no voice in the political sphere.
[00:45:48]  Only if you're pandering to leftists.
[00:45:50]  Yes.
[00:45:50]  Because what you just said a couple minutes ago, you said you don't feel safe talking about certain things with leftists.
[00:45:58]  And there are a couple items like that on the right, but for the most part, there's a lot more dialogue and conversation and diversity of opinion on the right.
[00:46:06]  Whereas the left, you just can't say certain things.
[00:46:08]  There's no go zones.
[00:46:10]  It's an ideological prison in many ways.
[00:46:12]  It didn't used to be quite as bad as that until maybe...
[00:46:17]  I think it's like maybe five years now that it's been like that.
[00:46:21]  I didn't used to feel that way.
[00:46:23]  But that's the embodiment of wokeism, at least to me.
[00:46:26]  I think... That's the whole... That is a problem and it needs to be changed.
[00:46:32]  And people need to... And the only way to really change that is through more conversations, more people being like, Look, I'm going to take a risk and I'm going to have these conversations that are dangerous.
[00:46:46]  And what I have noticed is like, I have chosen to speak and I've chosen to speak to people of different ideologies.
[00:46:53]  I've chosen to speak to my own groups and speak on sort of dangerous topics.
[00:47:00]  And it's like, honestly, it was scary at first, and then you feel more and more comfortable over time.
[00:47:07]  But it also, other people feel like, After you do that after a while it feels less so but also other people then feel more comfortable to be honest around you.
[00:47:16]  Yeah.
[00:47:17]  And now I feel like way like I'll do it in in all sorts of spaces and actually it's like it's it's way more fine than people think.
[00:47:26]  It's a cult.
[00:47:27]  Wokeness is a cult.
[00:47:28]  The left has been dominated by a cult.
[00:47:31]  They have original sin.
[00:47:34]  I'm really fascinated by this.
[00:47:36]  Privilege is original sin.
[00:47:37]  It's a non-theistic religion.
[00:47:38]  It follows so much of You know, back in the day when you have this, like, atheist movement, the complaints many of them had was specifically about the cult-like adherence to certain moral orthodoxies, which now is the left.
[00:47:55]  Like, it explains it.
[00:47:56]  The fear of being an apostate is remarkable.
[00:48:01]  We're talking about this a little bit before the show.
[00:48:05]  I think TimCast is a perfectly centrist show.
[00:48:09]  Perfectly centrist.
[00:48:11]  In the people we have on, in the opinions of the principal individuals of it, conservatives would Disagree and agree at the same time.
[00:48:21]  They'd probably say, well, you're fairly liberal, Tim, but I see what you're saying.
[00:48:24]  The left would say, absolutely not!
[00:48:25]  You're a right-winger.
[00:48:26]  Period.
[00:48:27]  End of story.
[00:48:28]  Because to the left, there is no center.
[00:48:29]  You're either on the left or you're a right-winger.
[00:48:32]  To the right, you could be on the left, you could be center, you could be apolitical, because there's an honest debate and there's a cult.
[00:48:39]  Yeah, and I said that I felt like you were kind of more, a little bit more right-leaning as opposed to center.
[00:48:46]  And that's because you're either on the left or you're on the right.
[00:48:49]  But to people on the right, you know, it's like, I'll sit down with... But I don't view things like that, so I don't know, I don't think I would, because I'm like categorizing you as like, oh my god, you have to be on this and that.
[00:49:01]  I could see somebody being on the center, so I don't think I'm being that like, just unfair.
[00:49:08]  I mean, you might see it that way, which is fine.
[00:49:11]  We'll talk about the facts.
[00:49:13]  And because we do, we're right-wing.
[00:49:14]  End of story.
[00:49:15]  I don't think that's a fair characterization.
[00:49:19]  What do you think Tim is right-wing on?
[00:49:25]  I think a lot of where I was disagreeing is probably the trans conversations.
[00:49:31]  And where do you think I'm liberal or left on?
[00:49:34]  Um, I think you're... I think, like, abortion.
[00:49:38]  You're trans.
[00:49:39]  Centrist.
[00:49:39]  Having some opinions that are right, some opinions that are left would be centrist.
[00:49:44]  This is my point.
[00:49:45]  Fine, you got me, you got me there.
[00:49:47]  But look, so what we see in the culture war is, if you deviate from the left in any way, you are automatically right-wing no matter what.
[00:49:55]  You can be a socialist, like Jimmy Dore advocates for hard socialist medicine and tax policy, and then says something about vaccine mandates, they call him right-wing.
[00:50:09]  Steve Bannon is my favorite example.
[00:50:13]  The dude sounds like he's preaching Occupy Wall Street.
[00:50:17]  Steve Bannon says, tax the rich!
[00:50:19]  Wealth tax right now!
[00:50:20]  These people are ripping you off!
[00:50:22]  And I'm like, Steve?
[00:50:24]  That's actually economically left of you, and he's like, it's populist, whatever.
[00:50:27]  And he'll say it to every conservative.
[00:50:30]  You know what, it might also be because of the guests that you have on, but I will also note that it's probably because also it's harder to get people on who are... In a cult.
[00:50:39]  Who are in a cult.
[00:50:41]  So, and I'm being purposefully derisive in that, but the prominent personalities on the left, you argue they do not represent the left very well, right?
[00:50:51]  Like they hold the extremist views.
[00:50:52]  Yeah.
[00:50:54]  There you go.
[00:50:55]  I mean, how do we get on a more moderate... You know what?
[00:50:59]  I gotta be completely honest.
[00:51:01]  I would make any bet that if you take... You know, we'll use Emma as an example.
[00:51:07]  Sorry, Emma, but you were just on the show.
[00:51:08]  She did not know Joe Biden, on camera, said, you're not getting the money unless you fire the prosecutor.
[00:51:15]  She didn't even know that happened.
[00:51:16]  How can we have a... And she didn't understand moral philosophy either.
[00:51:20]  So how can you have a political debate with someone who doesn't understand basic moral philosophies and doesn't know things are happening in the world?
[00:51:27]  It's impossible.
[00:51:28]  So you'll end up with grifters.
[00:51:31]  A lot of the prominent left personalities hold contradictory or nonsensical positions because it's just the right thing to say.
[00:51:39]  I think Hasan Piker is a really great example in that I literally made a video agreeing with him on Mr. Beast And then I elaborated that, I said, why are we spending $100 billion in Ukraine when for $100,000 we can cure people's blindness?
[00:51:56]  And he mocked me for saying we shouldn't spend money on foreign intervention.
[00:52:01]  I'm like, I'm agreeing with him.
[00:52:03]  Hassan talks about how the military-industrial complex is a bad thing.

=== The Complex Ukraine Conflict (15:29) ===

[00:52:07]  I literally agree with him and he mocks me for it, he laughs at me.
[00:52:10]  Because there's no moral position among these high-profile individuals.
[00:52:14]  It is literally just, I'm going to say a thing that is popular on left.
[00:52:17]  And if you have a moral position, you're not allowed to be a talking head for the left.
[00:52:24]  Well, yeah, I mean I think the problem is more so, so while I probably disagree with you on your views on Ukraine, that's another one, but I think that, but I think in general the problem is more so, you can disagree or you might not even know something, you might miss something, but the problem more so to me is that taking such a strong position on something where you're not able to be flexible with your views.
[00:52:49]  Because I think the problem is like, Well, there's certain things that I'm just not flexible on at all.
[00:52:54]  I'm not flexible on trans kids at all.
[00:52:57]  Totally not flexible.
[00:52:59]  I understand that, but I also think that it's okay to sometimes, like, for me, I'm okay to change my mind on certain things.
[00:53:06]  Or I can hear an argument that's like really compelling and on some particular topic and I'm like, okay, you know what I have changed my mind or maybe there's like a blind spot that I have like there's some like I don't know you brought up January 6 and I and I said, you know, I the reason I like, look, there's some things I just don't know that much about it.
[00:53:25]  There's information that I'm missing.
[00:53:27]  So I don't have like a really strong view.
[00:53:29]  Like, okay, I don't think it's an insurrection, but I think it's a riot, whatever.
[00:53:33]  But there's also things that I don't know about it, that you might have compelling information that I just have blind spots.
[00:53:40]  So I don't have a very strong view on things where I don't have complete information.
[00:53:44]  So why Ukraine then?
[00:53:45]  Why Ukraine?
[00:53:46]  Uh, because, well, I have, like, additional background, like, so, A, I was born there, so... Oh, wow.
[00:53:54]  Yeah, yeah, so, so, I... That is an amazing country, I love it.
[00:53:57]  Yeah.
[00:53:57]  So, I mean, I actually have criticisms of Ukraine itself, but like and I and I think this is a complex, nuanced situation.
[00:54:06]  I also I speak Russian.
[00:54:08]  So like I I've listened to a lot of like the Russian propaganda inside the country.
[00:54:13]  So I think a lot of the positions for me that are being propagated within the U.S. are kind of incorrect because of what I hear specifically being told to the Russian people or being told by Putin.
[00:54:26]  So there's like a lot there.
[00:54:28]  This is like a whole topic there.
[00:54:31]  I think you can take some positions about intervention that are fair to take.
[00:54:36]  Like you might be like just against like as an American, you could be like, I just don't think America should be involved.
[00:54:42]  And I think that's fair.
[00:54:44]  Like I'm not going to say.
[00:54:47]  I think that's fair.
[00:54:48]  I do take a little bit of a different position because I think sometimes you want to take the... That America intervened?
[00:54:56]  Because I think because of the Budapest Memorandum in particular, because America did make a commitment.
[00:55:01]  So that's why I think it does owe a particular allegiance to Ukraine because of that commitment in particular.
[00:55:08]  But that's not why we're there.
[00:55:10]  Well, I think I think there are some reasons that I think I don't think America is doing it because of their own, like, because they're so good and kind.
[00:55:18]  I think they have their own interests, but those are not necessarily bad interests.
[00:55:23]  I don't think it's because, like, NATO expansionism is really the reason that Putin went to war with Ukraine or went to to get Ukraine.
[00:55:31]  So I don't think that narrative is quite accurate.
[00:55:33]  Partially.
[00:55:33]  I mean, I think that's a very small excuse for why he did it.
[00:55:41]  So why do you think he did it?
[00:55:43]  Well, I mean, he talks about it.
[00:55:45]  So it's not like I have to guess at it.
[00:55:47]  So there is an imperialistic element to it.
[00:55:51]  And I think he wants strategic and he wants strategically like there's areas of Ukraine that he wants.
[00:55:56]  He wants all of it.
[00:55:58]  He does express it.
[00:55:59]  They've made the argument that Ukraine was always Russia and that it never should have.
[00:56:03]  They never should have lost it after the fall of the Soviet Union.
[00:56:05]  He does say that.
[00:56:06]  But the granular view of it is Like, would he settle for it less, maybe?
[00:56:13]  He'll take everything he can take.
[00:56:16]  He'll take everything, yeah.
[00:56:16]  He wants the Soviet Union back.
[00:56:18]  Correct.
[00:56:18]  But U.S.
[00:56:19]  involvement, it's this large geopolitical picture well beyond just Ukraine and its borders, and it goes back, you could reduce the history of the conflict Thousands it all goes back.
[00:56:32]  It's all connected.
[00:56:33]  So the starting point is always going to be further down the road Someone right now could say Putin invaded because he's a tyrant and it's like well actually there's this issue So if we take a look at but you can do that with any country.
[00:56:44]  That's what I'm saying, right?
[00:56:45]  So the real issue is that the West has been in conflict with the east like it's really where it comes down to yeah my view of it for the most part is
[00:56:54]  There seems to be no solution, because you get the Soviet era, you get 70 years of, you know, the communist expansion, the West opposing it for obvious reasons, there's proxy wars happening all over the place, after the fall of the Soviet Union, the now Russian government takes a certain view over what is theirs and what is right, you mentioned the Budapest Agreement, the US has to come to the aid of Ukraine in the event of conflict, then you get, I think the largest component of this is less about that and more about energy,
[00:57:24]  I talk about all the time the Qatar-Turkey pipeline, the Western powers trying to offset the Gazprom gas monopoly through Ukraine, hence you get Hunter Biden and a CIA director on the board of Burisma.
[00:57:36]  The goal is to facilitate the bringing in natural gas and other forms of energy into Europe so that it can reduce costs and allow European expansion because Europe as a bloc wants to compete and defeat the Chinese economic bloc.
[00:57:51]  The bigger picture in this, I believe, is not so much that Putin is just like taking over land.
[00:57:55]  It's that NATO is expanding for obvious reasons.
[00:57:58]  Russia, we don't care about.
[00:58:00]  We're concerned with China.
[00:58:02]  Russia is perceivably the immediate threat to the West because Russia is our current obstacle in the bigger picture of China.
[00:58:09]  We want Ukraine because we want to control the gas, we want to shut down the Gazprom gas monopoly, hence the Frogmen or whoever blew up Nord Stream 2 or whatever.
[00:58:17]  But I bring all this up just to point out You talk to the average person on the conflict and they have no idea.
[00:58:23]  Literally any of it.
[00:58:24]  The degree of corruption that the West has engaged in to try and win a conflict is vomitous.
[00:58:31]  And I'll go back to what you said.
[00:58:32]  Sacrificing your principles to win is pointless because then you're just adopting the principles that you're claiming you don't represent.
[00:58:39]  In the end, this conflict, there is no moral, there is no principles, there's only power.
[00:58:43]  The West will lie, cheat, and steal, and engage in all sorts of evil to gain more power so that they win, and that we can have more comfort than the Russians.
[00:58:50]  But everything is put just on the West.
[00:58:52]  This is what kind of bothers me about is just the West and every like there's so many people also cheering for Putin, which kind of I find just kind of reprehensible.
[00:59:02]  And I find that and I find that Ukraine's kind of own, you know, Ukraine is also making its own decisions.
[00:59:09]  And I think the conversation is often takes Ukraine out of it as if the US runs everything.
[00:59:14]  And I don't think that's correct.
[00:59:15]  Because if you talk to people in Ukraine, They have their own views on on this right on this conflict and what they want and by the way I don't even necessarily agree that strategically it makes Because I don't know if that's gonna end up in the best outcome in terms of people's lives But they have their own view and they have and they're the ones who are living in this country and that and they're the ones whose lives are at stake here, so ultimately it is their decision to make and decide and so I think often in the conflict people talk about
[00:59:46]  As if it's all U.S.
[00:59:48]  And also, Putin uses a lot of, speaking of wokeness, right?
[00:59:53]  He uses a lot of propaganda in the sense of, you know, he's fighting for anti-wokeness.
[00:59:59]  Yeah, and Christian values.
[01:00:00]  Yeah, which is complete bullshit.
[01:00:02]  And in particular, Russia has zero threat of wokeness within the country.
[01:00:08]  These are not people who are... Neither does Ukraine, by the way.
[01:00:12]  Neither Ukraine or Russia.
[01:00:12]  Ukraine's got a Nazi problem.
[01:00:14]  Yeah.
[01:00:14]  So does Russia.
[01:00:15]  So does Russia.
[01:00:15]  But I mean, Zelensky was just meeting with Greta Thunberg.
[01:00:18]  And see, this is the narrative, too, that kind of pisses me off.
[01:00:21]  Because yes, yes, Ukraine has some Nazis.
[01:00:23]  So Russia has a lot, frankly, more Nazis.
[01:00:27]  But people are like, well, we send money to Ukraine.
[01:00:30]  We don't send money to Russia.
[01:00:31]  OK, fair enough.
[01:00:33]  But both countries have their own, like, issues with this stuff, right?
[01:00:38]  It's a complicated... But it's not, like, we're not talking about, like, Nazis walking around all the time.
[01:00:43]  Like, there's stuff, but it's, like, but it gets so... It's just fun to talk about for people, you know?
[01:00:49]  But that's not the main issues.
[01:00:52]  My last thought on this...
[01:00:54]  Is just uh because it is a bit esoteric and dry to talk about war and stuff but isn't it fascinating the left has become the pro-war faction?
[01:01:00]  Yes but see but that's not fair to characterize it as pro-war and then and then the right and then people are like no we are anti-war this is not what you can't say this is this is how it's positioned this is kind of this is what bothers me okay because first of all I'm not pro-war for example right?
[01:01:17]  I don't want war.
[01:01:17]  Hold on do you support the U.S.
[01:01:19]  in uh offering supplies to the Ukrainians to engage in war and conflict?
[01:01:23]  Yes.
[01:01:24]  You're pro-war.
[01:01:24]  That's pro-war.
[01:01:25]  No, no, it's not, and let me explain.
[01:01:26]  I mean, come on, not sophistry.
[01:01:28]  No, no, can I explain why?
[01:01:29]  Sure.
[01:01:29]  You're gonna say that we're trying to stop a war, so we're financing war to stop a war.
[01:01:33]  It's like nonsense.
[01:01:34]  Well, no, because what happens if you don't provide these weapons of defense for Ukraine?
[01:01:40]  Russia would have walked in, there would have been very minimal death, they would have taken the Donbass and Crimea, and that's the end of it.
[01:01:45]  Well, just Donbass and Crimea, really?
[01:01:46]  Yeah.
[01:01:47]  No.
[01:01:48]  That's where the conflict is happening.
[01:01:50]  Even you said that Putin wants more.
[01:01:52]  Yes.
[01:01:53]  How do you negotiate?
[01:01:54]  Because the ultimate goal to stop war is negotiation, right?
[01:01:59]  How can Ukraine negotiate with Putin in good faith with any kind of position of power if they have no power to fight back?
[01:02:09]  The argument that because someone else would engage in war, we must engage in war, but I oppose war, it's you're pro-war.
[01:02:15]  No.
[01:02:16]  That makes no sense.
[01:02:18]  Do you support being involved in the war?
[01:02:22]  That's what pro-war means, right?
[01:02:23]  I'm not saying that you want war to happen all over the place.
[01:02:28]  You're saying, let's not give people a chance to defend themselves against a much larger country with many more resources.
[01:02:35]  We are not Ukraine.
[01:02:38]  They can defend themselves all they want, and it's none of our business.
[01:02:41]  But again, we just went back to the Budapest Memorandum, right?
[01:02:44]  Yep.
[01:02:45]  Is the U.S.
[01:02:46]  not keeping its word?
[01:02:47]  I don't support that.
[01:02:48]  I am anti-war, even in terms of the U.S.
[01:02:51]  So you believe that the U.S.
[01:02:52]  should not keep their word?
[01:02:54]  Yes.
[01:02:57]  A generation cannot offer up- So nobody should ever- Who said nobody ever?
[01:03:01]  But I will tell you, the best- Sean Fitzgerald mentioned this, Ron Paul's statement last week, a generation cannot promise the sons of the future generation.
[01:03:11]  You do not get to go and say, trust us, the next wave of people in this country will die for you.
[01:03:17]  No way.
[01:03:19]  I'm not interested.
[01:03:20]  And for what?
[01:03:24]  Russia's economy is relatively small.
[01:03:26]  What we're really looking for is making incremental gains for the European Union.
[01:03:31]  We are not the European Union, and I do not agree with U.S.
[01:03:33]  imperialist expansion to be a unipolar dominant force.
[01:03:37]  So in Germany, it would have been okay, too, if people were just to die during the Holocaust and stuff like that, too, right?
[01:03:44]  There's a bigger question... You want to invade China right now?
[01:03:47]  Do I want to invade because of the... Because of the Uighur Muslims?
[01:03:50]  Right, there's a big question about the expansion of like a rogue state or like what the Nazis were doing and even the Soviet Union.
[01:03:58]  Very, very difficult questions.
[01:04:00]  So I'm not like an absolutist in terms of there can never be war.
[01:04:04]  I'm saying, in most circumstances, I believe war should be the last option no matter what, and I believe that Biden and the West wanted war, and they fanned the flames of it to give it a casus belli for removing Putin and eventually occupying and shutting down Russia.
[01:04:21]  See, Biden gets blamed, but Putin doesn't get blamed.
[01:04:25]  It's interesting.
[01:04:26]  The guy who actually did the invasion.
[01:04:27]  What do you mean he doesn't get blamed?
[01:04:29]  I'm not understanding.
[01:04:30]  What do you mean?
[01:04:33]  Biden is the guy apparently- Did I say he was faultless?
[01:04:36]  I'm saying the Western intelligence agencies are sitting there thinking, how do we remove Vladimir Putin?
[01:04:44]  We have no cause.
[01:04:46]  We have no justification for an incursion to remove this guy.
[01:04:50]  We need a casus belli.
[01:04:53]  So you do things to force, or to create the tensions, or to exacerbate, and then finance the war, creating a justification now for actually going into Russia.
[01:05:04]  Now they can remove Putin, or get Putin removed.
[01:05:06]  They can destabilize the nation.
[01:05:07]  How are they gonna, okay, so the idea of removing Putin even, like, there's no successor to Putin.
[01:05:13]  So what would the plan be?
[01:05:15]  What do you mean by successor?
[01:05:16]  Successor.
[01:05:16]  There's no successor to Putin.
[01:05:18]  Right, they want to destroy it.
[01:05:20]  To do what?
[01:05:21]  To get rid of the command structure of Russia.
[01:05:24]  So there'd be no president of Russia?
[01:05:26]  Someone will gain control, like oligarchs or something will happen, or the West will find someone more favorable.
[01:05:32]  What's the evidence of that, though?
[01:05:33]  The evidence of?
[01:05:34]  That's what the U.S.
[01:05:35]  wants.
[01:05:37]  That the U.S.
[01:05:38]  wants to remove Russia.
[01:05:39]  They've outright said it publicly, like Hillary Clinton has said.
[01:05:43]  Joe Biden said, we want to remove Vladimir Putin.
[01:05:46]  They've publicly declared their intention to do so.
[01:05:49]  My point is this.
[01:05:53]  If you think the U.S.
[01:05:55]  should be sending arms to a foreign country that is not the U.S., you support war.
[01:06:01]  I don't understand why it's so hard to just be like, yes, I'm absolutely in favor of this.
[01:06:03]  No, I support defense.
[01:06:06]  It's not the same thing.
[01:06:07]  I don't think those... I think that's a false equivalency.
[01:06:10]  Then we'll call it, you support this war.
[01:06:13]  I support a country being able to defend itself.
[01:06:15]  To engage in an act of combat.
[01:06:18]  In an act of defense.
[01:06:20]  Right, so, okay, let's break it down.
[01:06:21]  The United States has to fund it.
[01:06:23]  What does it mean to be pro-war?
[01:06:25]  Let's not even bother with whatever you think that might mean.
[01:06:28]  I will just say it plainly.
[01:06:30]  You support sending weapons to Ukraine.
[01:06:33]  I do.
[01:06:33]  There we go.
[01:06:34]  To libertarians and to anti-interventionists, that is pro-war.
[01:06:39]  I disagree with that framing.
[01:06:41]  People can reframe it however they want, but I disagree with that framing.
[01:06:46]  My view is pro-war means to actively engage in this kind of conflict.
[01:06:52]  I believe the solution is negotiation.
[01:06:54]  I do believe that if Donald Trump is elected...
[01:06:58]  Well, Donald Trump believes that he can too.
[01:07:01]  We're talking about sending billions?
[01:07:02]  Yeah, because what Donald Trump will do, he'll pressure Ukraine and he'll say, basically Putin will just take whatever areas he wants and Ukraine will have zero power to negotiate.
[01:07:12]  Will the fighting stop?
[01:07:13]  Not my problem.
[01:07:14]  Will the fighting stop?
[01:07:16]  Sure.
[01:07:17]  So you support a circumstance in which more people fight and die, and I support a circumstance in which less people fight and die.

=== Pro-War vs. Anti-War Dilemma (04:20) ===

[01:07:23]  Pro-war versus anti-war.
[01:07:24]  So, but you're basically, hey, Russia can go in and take whatever they want at any time.
[01:07:29]  It's a bit of a straw man explanation.
[01:07:31]  Not really.
[01:07:32]  My solution is the one that results in the least amount of death.
[01:07:35]  And if you've got active conflict going on.
[01:07:37]  But you're also saying at any point, anybody can go in and take whatever they want.
[01:07:41]  That's a bit absolutist.
[01:07:42]  I didn't say that.
[01:07:44]  There's an active conflict between Russia and Ukraine right now, and the solution is the least amount of people dying.
[01:07:51]  Less people can go and die, but you're taking away the autonomy of a country.
[01:07:56]  Yeah, I oppose war.
[01:07:58]  I would seek to end the war by any means, and you are in favor of war.
[01:08:01]  So you don't mind if Russia came in... I don't mind.
[01:08:04]  Come on, these are not the arguments we're making.
[01:08:06]  It's obviously bad that Putin did this.
[01:08:08]  How do we stop the fighting, the bloodshed?
[01:08:10]  That means Ukraine and Russia will each lose something.
[01:08:13]  It would be preferable to you, for example, if Russia, if there was a war between, say, Russia, a conflict between Russia and the US, and wherever you live right now, came in and Russia, you know, to stop the fighting, Russia took whatever, wherever you live right now, That would be preferable.
[01:08:33]  You are saying that I as an individual seeing my own land invaded.
[01:08:37]  Yes.
[01:08:37]  Okay, that is not the same thing as the U.S.
[01:08:40]  sending armaments 5,000 miles to engage in a conflict of the nation we're not at war with.
[01:08:45]  Okay.
[01:08:46]  Big difference.
[01:08:47]  Okay.
[01:08:47]  If Russia invaded U.S.
[01:08:49]  soil, I'd call for a draft.
[01:08:51]  I'd say it is the duty of every American to defend our land from a foreign invasion.
[01:08:56]  You have to protect your territory!
[01:08:58]  Ukraine, absolutely!
[01:08:58]  But you just said that this is about lives.
[01:09:02]  You'd rather see less lives lost in Ukraine, right?
[01:09:06]  Yeah.
[01:09:06]  So that you are pro-war in this situation, but you're against war in the other situation.
[01:09:12]  The U.S.
[01:09:12]  is not Ukraine, do you understand?
[01:09:16]  Do you understand that the U.S.
[01:09:16]  is not Ukraine?
[01:09:17]  They're two different countries?
[01:09:18]  Yes, I do understand.
[01:09:19]  That Ukraine is 5,000 some odd miles from us?
[01:09:21]  Right.
[01:09:22]  We don't live there, we don't own that land.
[01:09:24]  But you made the argument that Ukraine was about lives.
[01:09:27]  If someone attacked my home, I will defend it, as people should.
[01:09:32]  I would not expect Japan to defend the United States in the event.
[01:09:36]  We may have allies who come to our aid.
[01:09:38]  That's a bigger picture.
[01:09:39]  I would actually disagree.
[01:09:40]  I'd say that's a different conflict.
[01:09:42]  Okay, sure.
[01:09:43]  No, I understand that distinction.
[01:09:45]  However, but you still said previously that it is about lives lost, right?
[01:09:51]  Partially.
[01:09:52]  So I don't quite, okay, so partially.
[01:09:53]  I mean, yeah, like you're making a bunch of absolutist, absolutist statements and strawman arguments.
[01:09:57]  I don't think they're strawman.
[01:09:58]  The simple picture is, we are not Ukraine.
[01:10:01]  We have no business with Ukraine.
[01:10:03]  Yeah, which is, those are separate arguments.
[01:10:05]  And the solution to this problem of the war is to be like, let's stop it now before it goes nuclear, because I believe Putin will use nukes, he will not give up power.
[01:10:15]  Okay, so, but that's a different argument.
[01:10:16]  Let's end the war.
[01:10:17]  Yeah, so you're, if you're, if you're worried about nukes and you're worried about escalation because you're worried about nukes and consequences to you or the US, fine, that's a different argument.
[01:10:29]  You can make that argument.
[01:10:30]  That's a different argument, though.
[01:10:32]  Why are we at war in Sudan?
[01:10:34]  I don't know.
[01:10:34]  Your position would mandate the U.S.
[01:10:37]  be involved in every war on the planet.
[01:10:40]  No, because if they... For me... Just the weird one thing that for some reason you agree with.
[01:10:46]  No, no, no, because... Only if they're ideologically left.
[01:10:49]  No, because of the Budapest Memorandum.
[01:10:51]  Should we be at war in Syria?
[01:10:52]  No.
[01:10:54]  Why, though?
[01:10:54]  I don't understand.
[01:10:56]  If that didn't exist, I would say you have the right to your claim.
[01:11:02]  So it's not about supporting people?
[01:11:05]  Otherwise I would say, listen, because of my own personal feelings, I'm like, I would rather the U.S.
[01:11:10]  be supporting Ukraine, but I would take your argument that the U.S.
[01:11:16]  shouldn't be involved because, like, you know, you don't want to be involved in any wars and around the conflicts around the world, and that's fine.
[01:11:24]  I would be completely fine with that argument, okay?

=== Polls And Paradoxes (14:47) ===

[01:11:28]  And in general, I'm not super keen on the U.S.
[01:11:31]  being involved in operations around the world.
[01:11:34]  Well, I'll wrap this up, otherwise we'll just go in circles, but my point was simply that...
[01:11:38]  The left is in favor of a foreign intervention right now.
[01:11:41]  The right is opposed to it.
[01:11:42]  Which is interesting, because 20 years ago was the inversion.
[01:11:46]  It was the right in this country saying, we gotta do the right thing, and the left being like, no war.
[01:11:50]  Although, to be fair, that was all lies.
[01:11:52]  Because Obama was like, I'm gonna end the war.
[01:11:55]  And then he gets in and he's like, we're sending more troops.
[01:11:57]  But let's do this, we were talking about Nazis, and I have this tweet, which I think is up for, it's a really great conversation.
[01:12:03]  This is from Tower Gang Cole.
[01:12:05]  He tweeted, excuse me, Who would you rather have babysit your children, Nazis or transgenders?
[01:12:12]  With 28,251 votes, people voted 93.7% for Nazis to babysit their children.
[01:12:21]  6.3% voted for transgender.
[01:12:24]  Wow.
[01:12:26]  I don't know.
[01:12:27]  I say wow because I would have voted for transgender.
[01:12:29]  I would have not voted for Nazi, but there is a big discussion about this.
[01:12:32]  I think I would have said, why are there only Nazi and transgender babysitter?
[01:12:38]  But it's, yes, obviously, you know, me, like, you, someone might say, like, I'd rather have, like, neither or whatever, but Given these two options.
[01:12:45]  Do you think that many people actually would prefer Nazis or they're trying to make the results of the poll more radical?
[01:12:53]  I mean, of course the poll was meant to be radical and edgy.
[01:12:56]  However, I think that to me showed something and I was quite pissed off actually at this poll.
[01:13:03]  Because to me, it's like, okay, we know Nazis are bad, right?
[01:13:08]  Transgender, because obviously it was tying it in with this kind of idea that transgenders are somehow dangerous to children and whereas there isn't really that.
[01:13:21]  But I don't know that this is a good reflection, because people will use this and say, look how crazy the right is, they'd rather have Nazis watch their children than trans people.
[01:13:30]  But one, I think people are probably answering that poll disingenuously.
[01:13:35]  And two, the definition of Nazi is anything that's slightly right-wing now, so...
[01:13:40]  That could be it.
[01:13:41]  I mean, if the presumption on the people who are taking the poll is that Nazi just means right winger, because the left attacks everyone else.
[01:13:48]  It does according to the left.
[01:13:49]  I mean, yeah, I'm sure some people might have, but I think overall, I do think it meant Nazi in the sense of Nazi.
[01:13:57]  Like, obviously it was meant to be like edgy, funny kind of poll.
[01:14:01]  I'm sure it wasn't like that serious.
[01:14:02]  What would you vote for?
[01:14:04]  Transgender.
[01:14:06]  There's an interesting conversation around this in that, think about it for two seconds.
[01:14:11]  Let's take the stereotypical depiction of a Nazi and a stereotypical depiction of a trans person, and perhaps that's how people perceive it.
[01:14:20]  A person who is a Nazi, you might not know they're a Nazi.
[01:14:23]  In fact, I'm sure most people who voted in this poll, who have kids and have babysitters, don't know their babysitter has horrible political views.
[01:14:32]  Never came up.
[01:14:33]  So there's a question around, You know, you might go to a coffee shop and buy a bagel from a Nazi and not even know it.
[01:14:40]  However, when it comes to someone who's trans, they're typically discernibly transgender.
[01:14:44]  Meaning that a child being babysat by a Nazi, the family might not even know.
[01:14:50]  The person who is trans, the family will know.
[01:14:54]  So there's an interesting there.
[01:14:55]  Me personally, I don't think There is an issue like I'd be more concerned about a Nazi slipping in political things because they have an ideological bent as opposed to a trans person just being trans.
[01:15:08]  I don't know, you know, so but but there's there's an argument there too.
[01:15:12]  The average person in the trans movement is going to hold gender ideology values, and the question is, we can't assume, in the debate, either of them would do anything untoward to your children.
[01:15:25]  Yes.
[01:15:26]  In which case, it simply becomes a guy with the sides of his head shaved and slick to the side wearing a suit, and a male or female who is discernibly taking and modifying their body in some way.
[01:15:41]  I think that's why people chose Nazi.
[01:15:44]  I think it's also people just would rather have a more entertaining outcome on that poll.
[01:15:49]  For sure.
[01:15:49]  A more entertaining outcome.
[01:15:53]  Things like this are going to be used to say, oh my god, look, all conservatives would rather have Nazis watch their children because they think all transgender people... Hold on, Tower Gang is not a conservative.
[01:16:04]  Do you know who probably found that?
[01:16:07]  I didn't.
[01:16:07]  Conservatives?
[01:16:09]  But why would you make that assumption?
[01:16:10]  We don't know that.
[01:16:10]  They're probably trolling.
[01:16:11]  I would be interested to see the quote tweets on that.
[01:16:14]  I disagree.
[01:16:15]  It was the left that retweeted it and chose Nazis.
[01:16:19]  Ironically.
[01:16:20]  But we don't know.
[01:16:21]  We don't know.
[01:16:22]  The Tower Gang guys aren't staunch conservatives.
[01:16:24]  I don't think that 93% of these 28,000 people would actually choose Nazis.
[01:16:29]  I just don't.
[01:16:30]  I don't.
[01:16:32]  It was at 95 when I first found this, and I don't know, it pissed me off to be honest.
[01:16:37]  Just the fact that that question was even asked.
[01:16:41]  It did trigger me, I will say.
[01:16:43]  I will admit to that.
[01:16:44]  But that's the goal of it, right?
[01:16:46]  Because they do this as bait to say, look, you know, they think that all trans people are a danger to children and that's what they use it as fodder.
[01:16:54]  But a lot of people do say that trans people are dangerous to children.
[01:16:59]  Would you rather have a trans person or a Nazi babysit your kids?
[01:17:02]  Obviously, I'd rather have a trans person babysit my child, and I would, you know, I'd choose a Blair White.
[01:17:09]  Yeah, Blair's fantastic.
[01:17:10]  I was thinking about it, I was like, I would absolutely choose one of my friends over a Nazi.
[01:17:15]  But again, definition of Nazi, you're considered a Nazi, I'm considered a Nazi, you said you were called a Nazi.
[01:17:20]  Apparently I have, yeah.
[01:17:23]  What does that even mean anymore?
[01:17:24]  What does it mean?
[01:17:25]  I was called a Nazi, by the way, for challenging Project Veritas.
[01:17:31]  Yeah, everyone at this table's been called a Nazi.
[01:17:34]  It means bad guy.
[01:17:36]  But you know, I think this is the other thing with trans people, like what happens a lot of times too is like, the people that get kind of elevated, right?
[01:17:48]  So you'll have certain people, again, you'll get like the really crazy people, Elevated, right?
[01:17:56]  And then you have a lot of, like, really normal trans people who have very, like, moderate views, and they don't get showcased at all.
[01:18:04]  So when people talk about trans people, they think they're just- Dylan Mulvaney.
[01:18:08]  Yeah.
[01:18:09]  This is my point.
[01:18:09]  It's just Dylan Mulvaney.
[01:18:11]  No, I agree.
[01:18:12]  That's why- And that's actually more damaging, I would say.
[01:18:14]  That's the more damaging thing, I guess, about somebody like Dylan Mulvaney than it is about Dylan Mulvaney being a butt-light This is probably why people chose Nazi.
[01:18:25]  Because they're not imagining Blaire White, they're imagining Dylan Mulvaney.
[01:18:28]  And they're like, I do not want whatever that is around my kids.
[01:18:32]  Hiking heels in the forest and singing about having a bulge?
[01:18:36]  Let's put it this way.
[01:18:37]  I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
[01:18:38]  I still can't get over that action.
[01:18:40]  This is the act, and this is the damage of Dylan Mulvaney and the left's knee-jerk defense of this polarizing and offensive individual.
[01:18:51]  I'm willing to bet with the Bud Light stuff, when people think of trans person, they think of the worst examples like Super Ma'am.
[01:18:58]  Remember Super Ma'am?
[01:18:59]  Yes.
[01:18:59]  Six foot tall male smashing things in a store because a nervous, you know, twenty-something year old guy had no idea what was going on.
[01:19:07]  They see things like that in Dylan Mulvaney.
[01:19:09]  So the question is, who would you rather have babysit your children?
[01:19:13]  They imagine a guy wearing a polo shirt.
[01:19:15]  And they're like, what's he talking about?
[01:19:17]  Is he doing just a guy in a polo shirt?
[01:19:18]  But people need to also do better about A, not amplifying these, like, and that is something that is done, you know, on purpose by certain entities.
[01:19:30]  And yeah, I agree it shouldn't be defended, but also it is intentionally amplified because it is rage bait.
[01:19:37]  But here's a point I wanted to make.
[01:19:38]  Yeah.
[01:19:39]  When, as you pointed out, when everyone's a Nazi, the left argues, you have a video of Richard Spencer getting punched in DC.
[01:19:45]  It's a guy wearing a suit and someone punches him and they say, that's what Nazis look like.
[01:19:50]  If the image people call up in their mind of Nazi is a guy wearing a suit and transgender is Dylan Mulvaney singing about having a bulge, I'm not surprised people chose Nazi.
[01:20:00]  That's the fault of the left for engaging in that narrative.
[01:20:05]  From obfuscating reality.
[01:20:06]  From obfuscating reality.
[01:20:07]  From magnifying a Dylan Mulvaney all the time.
[01:20:10]  The right didn't magnify it.
[01:20:11]  TikTok and the left did.
[01:20:13]  10 million plus followers.
[01:20:14]  No, Dylan had 10 million.
[01:20:14]  Yes, 10 million followers Dylan had.
[01:20:16]  Okay, but it's both because look.
[01:20:17]  Before that, Dylan Mulvaney.
[01:20:18]  Richard Spencer had like 60,000 followers.
[01:20:20]  Okay, but all anybody talks about on the right is also Dylan Mulvaney.
[01:20:23]  They don't amplify it.
[01:20:24]  Like, I found so many interesting trans people, including like, say, Blair White.
[01:20:27]  Blair White's pretty popular on the right.
[01:20:29]  Yeah, which they do magnify, but there's also all sorts of other kind of more left-leaning trans people.
[01:20:34]  If you're trans and you're on the left, you are not allowed to be amplified if you hold more centrist positions.
[01:20:41]  You're just not.
[01:20:41]  Okay, but why are the right not amplified?
[01:20:43]  They go out of their way to hide detransitioners.
[01:20:46]  Wait, wait.
[01:20:47]  The right does amplify Blaire White.
[01:20:49]  They do amplify Blaire White, but only Blaire White.
[01:20:51]  Because Blaire White agrees with their opinions on politics.
[01:20:55]  Correct.
[01:20:55]  But I thought you said they were amplifying Dylann Mulvaney.
[01:20:58]  No, they're also amplifying dilemma.
[01:20:59]  More so than Blair.
[01:21:02]  Hold on, but there's also like, I have, for example, I found a few other people who are trans, who are not like right-leaning necessarily, but have like pretty very moderate views, but more left-leaning, kind of moderate, and I've actually posted some things by those people, and you know, and I've had people of mostly positive reactions, right?
[01:21:22]  But those people are generally not amplified, and you're right, they get kind of attacked a little more.
[01:21:27]  ContraPoints is a good example.
[01:21:28]  And they're not allowed to.
[01:21:30]  The left goes out of their way to silence detransitioners who speak out, too.
[01:21:34]  There's one view, and it's that... They don't have to be detransitioners.
[01:21:37]  Yeah, I mean, that's true, what you're saying is true.
[01:21:40]  ContraPoints is a very prominent YouTube channel, and was attacked over and over and over again for ever deviating from the cult.
[01:21:47]  Like, I've invited ContraPoints on the show multiple times in the past few years, and it'll never happen, because it's a cult.
[01:21:55]  So, you know, when I've criticized Dylan Mulvaney...
[01:21:59]  I've pointed out that ContraPoints has excellent YouTube videos, really well put together, with thoughtful arguments, history, and I disagree, but intelligent.
[01:22:10]  Blair White makes videos, makes arguments, I agree more so, and they're well put together.
[01:22:14]  These are two rational individuals producing content and making arguments who happen to be trans.
[01:22:19]  They represent the left and the right of trans people, I think, just in general.
[01:22:24]  And, uh, Dylan Mulvaney is a character intentionally mocking and deriding, but defended, like, to an absurd degree by the left.
[01:22:33]  But again, these are the only individuals, like, there's such a variety of people.
[01:22:37]  Because they're the most outrageous examples!
[01:22:39]  ContraPoints, uh, I think the controversy was that ContraPoints said something like, of course there's a binary, you can't transition.
[01:22:46]  I'm paraphrasing, but I think ContraPoints is making the point that Traditionally trans people were, you know, wanting to be male to female, female to male, and now you have a younger generation that says it's trans if you just feel like you're water gender or whatever.
[01:22:59]  Contra got attacked for that, backed off, and just like, goes silent.
[01:23:03]  Dylan Mulvaney gets defended every step of the way.
[01:23:05]  Why silence the rational person having a legitimate argument?
[01:23:09]  That's the left doing that.
[01:23:10]  Sure.
[01:23:10]  So the right is correct to criticize Del Mulvaney.
[01:23:14]  I don't see conservatives going out of their way to repeatedly attack and slam Contra points.
[01:23:18]  In fact, many people on the right are like, oh yeah, Contra makes good videos.
[01:23:21]  I disagree.
[01:23:22]  I think it's, you know, wrong.
[01:23:23]  But Del Mulvaney is particularly offensive.
[01:23:26]  The left should be in agreement.
[01:23:27]  This is a caricature of women and trans people that is damaging And it's not just Dylan personally because Dylan wasn't getting that much hate on TikTok.
[01:23:36]  It was when the left and corporations started slapping Dylan on everything they could and putting their stamp of approval and saying, yes, this represents the trans movement, this ridiculous caricature.
[01:23:48]  So it wasn't just people were like, oh my goodness, I can't believe this Dylan Mulvaney person exists.
[01:23:53]  It was when he was slapped with the seal of approval from the left as their poster child.
[01:23:58]  A lot of this stuff I think is just very driven by commercialism.
[01:24:02]  I don't know why specifically Dylan became as commercial as Dylan did.
[01:24:08]  Because Dylan has a young audience and that's what those poor marketing gals at Bud Light wanted.
[01:24:15]  But I can tell you, I can tell you.
[01:24:18]  Because we pulled up Dylan Mulvaney's TikTok and what do you find?
[01:24:23]  Dylan is like so many other creators who found a marketable path to fame and fortune.
[01:24:29]  When Dylan gets surgery, it is not because Dylan is trans.
[01:24:32]  It's for the same reason Madonna gets surgery.
[01:24:34]  To be in the press, to be in the media, and to make money off of it.
[01:24:38]  Hence, singing about having a penis, despite trans people being dysphoric with these things.
[01:24:43]  Dylan's earliest content is being on a safari.
[01:24:45]  Animal stuff.
[01:24:46]  hugging llamas and stuff.
[01:24:48]  Didn't really get the traffic.
[01:24:50]  Dylan comes out as gay, a little bit more views.
[01:24:52]  Comes out as non-binary, more views.
[01:24:53]  Comes out as trans, explosion into the millions.
[01:24:56]  - And then the whole series.
[01:24:57]  - And then created a series.
[01:24:59]  So what happened is Dylan Mulvaney is like, I wanna be famous, dancing on "The Price is Right." Have you seen that video? - I have, yeah.
[01:25:05]  - Spinning on the ground and stuff, and for three minutes, clearly just trying to be famous and having some strange need for attention.
[01:25:14]  That's also probably part of Dylan's personality is that extreme too.
[01:25:18]  And what happens is a person this desperate for attention...
[01:25:22]  is basically brute forcing TikTok, trying a bunch of different strategies towards fame, hits one, succeeds, and then attacks at full force.
[01:25:32]  TikTok then promotes Dylan Mulvaney, who gets 10 million followers, and then corporations are like, that's what's popular.
[01:25:39]  No, that's what TikTok is promoting, not what's popular, but they don't care.
[01:25:43]  If it gets eyeballs and it's cost-effective, they go for it to the detriment of the actual trans community, but the left, because they're tribalists who need to simply disagree with whatever it is the right says, defends Dylan Mulvaney instead of actually having principles.

=== Endocrine Disruptors and Gender Dysphoria (06:24) ===

[01:25:59]  Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of times where people are confused as to what is, like, I think there's a tendency to, like, want to be nice.
[01:26:10]  Why are they confused, though?
[01:26:11]  People didn't used to be this confused.
[01:26:13]  Why are they confused?
[01:26:15]  Well, because I think, I think there's a lot of reasons.
[01:26:18]  I think some people genuinely believe this stuff.
[01:26:20]  I think some people go along with it because they're trying not to get, you know, offend anybody.
[01:26:25]  I think some people just, like, think they're, like, being nice.
[01:26:29]  But why are they confused?
[01:26:31]  Why are there more, there are more queer youth than ever before.
[01:26:36]  And it's, we have queer youth rising at an astronomical rate.
[01:26:40]  Why are people confused?
[01:26:41]  Plastic.
[01:26:42]  They're turning the freaking frogs gay!
[01:26:45]  According to RFK, it's the water.
[01:26:49]  No, I don't disagree.
[01:26:51]  I think conservatives miss this one.
[01:26:52]  We bring it up quite a bit.
[01:26:53]  Endocrine disruptors, ice cream, ad nauseum.
[01:26:57]  I mean, men's sperm count has dropped 50% in the past few decades.
[01:27:00]  I think we're polluting ourselves.
[01:27:02]  And AJ Cortez, he talked about it too.
[01:27:05]  A lot of the fertility issues between couples are from men because they have lower weak sperm.
[01:27:12]  Yep.
[01:27:13]  I think, you know, I hear this climate change stuff and they're like, we got to get rid of plastics and, you know, and a clean pollution.
[01:27:18]  I'm like, yes.
[01:27:19]  Yes.
[01:27:20]  You know, you want to make an argument about whether climate change is real or not.
[01:27:24]  You know, I wonder why Obama's buying beachfront property and why these investors in Miami Beach are like, it's flooding, but we're going to, we're going to buy a 35 year investment.
[01:27:32]  I don't care about your argument on the planet getting hotter, I care about the fact that we're dumping garbage into our own food supply, and I think a lot of this, the rise in queer identities and gender dysphoria particularly, is because of endocrine disruptors.
[01:27:45]  I think that's part of it.
[01:27:48]  I'm not gonna go there myself, but I will say that pollution is generally a bad thing, so I'll agree on the pollution is bad.
[01:27:54]  You're familiar with phthalates and PCBs and all that stuff?
[01:27:57]  Not really.
[01:27:59]  Plastic leaches into our food.
[01:28:02]  Unfortunately, even liquid death.
[01:28:03]  You know, we were bummed to find out because they say death to plastic, but those cans are lined with plastic.
[01:28:08]  PCBs and phthalates are two examples we often cite that leach into our food and disrupt the human endocrine system.
[01:28:16]  So, conservatives will point out, you know, oh, the rise in gender dysphoria among youth must be a social thing, and I'm like, yeah, to a certain degree, I think so, social media for sure, but I think, yo, don't discredit the fact that plastics are a relatively new phenomenon to humans.
[01:28:32]  You know, you go to an antique store, in the 60s, everything was metal and glass.
[01:28:36]  And then we started switching it out for plastics, which were cheaper and easier to produce.
[01:28:40]  And now we've got chemicals leaching into our food, which are messing up our brains.
[01:28:44]  You can compare it with Europe or something.
[01:28:47]  Have you seen Dark Waters?
[01:28:48]  They do a lot of plastics too, you know.
[01:28:50]  Dark Waters?
[01:28:50]  Do they have the same?
[01:28:52]  It's a really good movie with Mark Ruffalo, but it goes into the scandal with the Teflon.
[01:28:58]  Oh, right.
[01:28:59]  Yes, you should watch that.
[01:29:00]  Very good movie.
[01:29:01]  But I think there's a lot of these things that are impacting us more than we know, but I don't think that there's more gender dysphoria because of the plastic, so to say.
[01:29:11]  Maybe people are more, men especially, are more effeminate because of it.
[01:29:15]  I think that plays a role, and we should be a little more loose on Gender identity in a way, you know, you're not a girl because you wear your tomboy It's more comfortable being but also maybe part of it is socially like people are more comfortable Expressing themselves in different ways like yeah, but that doesn't mean you're trans.
[01:29:35]  Yeah I think it's I think a lot of it is social.
[01:29:39]  I mean and that's not necessarily means that you're like You know a different gender but like you are able to express yourself in different ways I think it's hitting us in the face.
[01:29:49]  It was Alex Jones who said like 10 years ago that Atrazine was turning the freaking frogs gay.
[01:29:54]  It's a hyperbolic approach to it, but Atrazine, there was a study, it's been, I believe it's been retracted or updated to argue against, but simply put, we know that there are chemicals in the city water supplies and in our foods that disrupt the endocrine system.
[01:30:10]  And in the air.
[01:30:11]  And in the air.
[01:30:12]  Okay, I won't debate you on this stuff because I don't talk about things that I don't know anything about.
[01:30:17]  The Try Guys, the famous video where the BuzzFeed guys got their testosterone levels checked and these 20-something-year-old dudes had testosterone equivalent to 80-year-old men.
[01:30:26]  Yes.
[01:30:27]  That is clearly related to the rise in gender dysphoria.
[01:30:31]  I had a friend who had to be given, born a boy, had to be given testosterone to go through puberty.
[01:30:37]  Wow.
[01:30:38]  Now imagine this.
[01:30:39]  He had too much estrogen.
[01:30:41]  Imagine there are many men who are increasingly becoming effeminate, having lower testosterone, lower sperm counts.
[01:30:48]  They're going to have a mentality and a personal experience more effeminate and it's a spectrum.
[01:30:55]  Has this been measured that there's lower testosterone in it?
[01:31:00]  Yes!
[01:31:00]  Men's sperm count, we're gonna have no sperm at this rate, but men's sperm count has dropped 50% in the past few decades.
[01:31:06]  Really?
[01:31:07]  But I mean, in general, I always thought it was interesting if you look at men today, they look smaller and thinner than ever before.
[01:31:16]  And the tri guys from Buzzfeed, I think was a really good example, four guys got their testosterone checked and it was equivalent to 80 year old men.
[01:31:24]  Now this could be attributed to eating less meat, eating less fat, and working out less.
[01:31:28]  That results in a lower testosterone.
[01:31:30]  And soy does increase estrogen.
[01:31:32]  It literally has phytoestrogen in it.
[01:31:35]  However, that argument from the conservatives is 100% wrong on the soy boy thing.
[01:31:40]  Well, yeah, I don't think it's gonna make you, it's not gonna give you boobs.
[01:31:43]  North American diet, though, is pretty terrible, like, compared to, say, like, the food in North, it's a very processed diet and all that stuff probably plays a huge role.
[01:31:52]  I want to clarify the soy thing, though.
[01:31:54]  Not 100% wrong, but phytoestrogens are weaker than typical human estrogen.
[01:32:01]  So if you block your estrogen receptors with phytoestrogen, it actually inhibits That's interesting, I didn't know that.
[01:32:07]  However, flooding your system with phytoestrogen could make up for it being weaker, so definitely it can cause issues in that.

=== Food Manipulation And Obesity (10:13) ===

[01:32:14]  Are we seeing any kind of reversal considering like, you know, the food pyramid scam, right?
[01:32:18]  Like, and a lot of people have been more interested in their diet and kind of reversing things.
[01:32:24]  Like, are we seeing any kind of differences where people are like taking better care of like, you know, consuming more fats, more Well, I asked someone who's doing keto or carnivore, and they all swear by it.
[01:32:37]  And I gotta tell you, when you look at the people who are on keto diets, they tend to be in shape, like fit.
[01:32:42]  It works, it works.
[01:32:44]  I think it does work for a lot of people.
[01:32:45]  I lost 30 pounds when I cut out the sugar.
[01:32:47]  Yeah, well, sugar, processed meats, too many carbs, that kind of stuff seems... And even just the type of food that people are consuming here is just... Because I have friends who come here from Europe and they say they feel sick.
[01:33:01]  And I always feel way better when I'm, like, in Europe.
[01:33:03]  It gives you anxiety, too, having a kid because you're, like, everything.
[01:33:07]  I'm like, this isn't plastic, this is frozen, this has preservatives.
[01:33:10]  It's anxiety-inducing to go grocery shopping nowadays because you don't know what the hell anything is anymore.
[01:33:16]  The left and the right unifying.
[01:33:17]  They're putting morbidly obese people on the covers of magazines.
[01:33:21]  - No, they're not unifying.
[01:33:23]  No, they're putting morbidly obese people on the covers of magazines. - Yeah, we may be agreeing with it, but they're lying. - It is the only, they actually promote food addiction.
[01:33:32]  And that is the only drug, food addiction, it's the only addiction where they do not highlight the physical manifestation of the addiction.
[01:33:41]  Instead, they glorify it, right?
[01:33:42]  It is a weird thing.
[01:33:44]  With drugs, you say, don't do math, not even once, and it's got all these scary photos, but with obesity, they don't say that.
[01:33:50]  They don't highlight food addiction, and it's a very real addiction, and I feel for, I know a lot of people who have an addiction to food, and we don't want to help them.
[01:33:57]  The left glorifies them.
[01:33:58]  They throw them on Cosmopolitan saying, and they're directly responsible.
[01:34:04]  Look, I don't believe in shaming people.
[01:34:05]  Like, I don't believe in shaming people for, you know, because I don't know why they are the way they are.
[01:34:10]  Maybe they have other issues.
[01:34:12]  But what do you consider shaming?
[01:34:13]  Telling them that they're probably going to die?
[01:34:16]  No, I believe in honesty.
[01:34:17]  I don't believe in promoting, like, obesity.
[01:34:19]  I don't believe in like, hey, you're beautiful because you're like, have all these roles and stuff.
[01:34:23]  But like, right?
[01:34:25]  No, but like, no.
[01:34:26]  I do think it's gone like, like insane over the top.
[01:34:29]  But like, but sometimes you don't know why somebody is like the way they are.
[01:34:33]  And just because somebody is like, some people are plus size and healthy, because they like they do exercise, they have a healthy diet.
[01:34:39]  Like, I think you have to focus on that as opposed to just like, during COVID, they weren't even telling.
[01:34:45]  No.
[01:34:46]  And they were hiding the fact that that obesity was.
[01:34:48]  Yes.
[01:34:49]  Oh, I think a lot of it was.
[01:34:51]  Yes.
[01:34:52]  Yeah.
[01:34:52]  I mean, I had a black market gym.
[01:34:57]  Seriously, it was like underground.
[01:34:58]  It was like a speakeasy gym because police would come all the time.
[01:35:02]  Yeah, back to blue, huh?
[01:35:03]  The cops coming in and shutting down gyms.
[01:35:06]  That's crazy.
[01:35:07]  They filled the skate park in Venice with sand.
[01:35:10]  Yep.
[01:35:10]  What?
[01:35:11]  I didn't realize in Montreal you couldn't go outside.
[01:35:15]  There were all these curfews.
[01:35:17]  I didn't know that it was as bad.
[01:35:18]  But it wasn't just them doing that.
[01:35:20]  That was sinister in itself, but what was really sinister Was them not telling people that obesity is a serious comorbidity factor for COVID.
[01:35:29]  They killed people, they had people killed.
[01:35:31]  Because they refused, they didn't want to offend.
[01:35:34]  Come on.
[01:35:36]  We know obesity is bad for you.
[01:35:39]  Now, I'll make a libertarian argument and I tell people, if you're fat, and you want to be fat, and you eat a lot of food, hey man, do your thing.
[01:35:45]  I beg of you to be healthier though, because I want you to live longer.
[01:35:49]  And I will stress, You know, I've been, I lost 30 pounds starting a year ago when I cut out all the sugars.
[01:35:57]  I have, you know, I have been super thin in my life.
[01:35:59]  I have been, I was 200 pounds even a year and a half ago.
[01:36:03]  You don't realize how bad you feel until you drop the weight and then you feel like you have lightning surging through you.
[01:36:08]  It's like I really recommend people get healthy, but the left, we have, we have You know, I go to the mall and I see ads for women's clothing and it's morbidly obese models.
[01:36:18]  Calvin Klein puts two morbidly obese people in their underwear ad.
[01:36:23]  You know, the joke we made before is that Unilever owns Ben & Jerry's and Dove.
[01:36:30]  Makes sense, right?
[01:36:31]  If you're a large corporation that owns women's beauty products, but you also sell ice cream, you don't want to convince women to stop eating your ice cream.
[01:36:40]  So what do you do?
[01:36:41]  You tell them they're beautiful for being fat.
[01:36:43]  Then you sell them ice cream and soap.
[01:36:47]  I mean, I don't know about that, though.
[01:36:48]  I just think people don't... I'm not saying they're doing it intentionally, but they literally do something.
[01:36:51]  They don't teach self-discipline.
[01:36:53]  I'm not fat and I eat Ben & Jerry's, you know?
[01:36:55]  Well, their idea is... Uh-oh, I shouldn't have told the conservatives I eat Ben & Jerry's.
[01:36:58]  I'm sorry, I'm kidding.
[01:37:00]  Only Jeremy's chocolate.
[01:37:04]  Their idea is that, okay, like, they want to reflect, I guess, the kindness aspect of it is, like, they want to reflect That people can see themselves, even whatever size they are, but there is a dishonesty in the sense of... They're gonna see themselves in a morgue or in a hospital bed.
[01:37:22]  Genuinely, I don't think that's kind.
[01:37:23]  I think that's not kind.
[01:37:24]  What I'd rather see is, like, aspiration, right?
[01:37:26]  Like, you still have to be honest.
[01:37:28]  Like, I want to, like... I've never been, like, you know, really big, but, like, I want to be... If I see somebody who looks...
[01:37:39]  really fit right like I want to be like I want to be like this I want to be realistic with myself right like and but the kids growing up there they might not have that same opinion of people who are fit because they weren't the ones put on magazines they might say oh I want to be bigger I want to do that which is I I think you're giving too much benefit of the doubt to the left on this one.
[01:38:01]  I view them as inherently lazy and entitled and prideful and gluttonous and envious and wrathful and etc etc and greedy.
[01:38:12]  I mean, it changed, because the modeling standards or the acting standards used to be very, like, because I worked in that industry, like, it's like, you know, you had to be tiny, you had to be, so, and then it just went, like, completely the opposite direction.
[01:38:26]  Yeah, well, I mean, that's your job, though, when you're modeling.
[01:38:29]  I mean, what other job do you have as a model?
[01:38:30]  Do you just stand there?
[01:38:31]  But there's a difference between, like, the traditional liberal and leftists.
[01:38:36]  And so with leftists taking over, you now get to this point.
[01:38:40]  I will say this too, I genuinely believe the left represents the seven deadly sins, unquestionably, in every way.
[01:38:49]  And pride events are literally, like pride parades are, name one of the seven deadly sins, you hit the nail on the head with the hammer.
[01:38:57]  In Berkeley County, at the Martinsburg Pride event, You had overt socialists.
[01:39:03]  It's a pride event and people were waving socialist flags, communist flags, leftist stuff.
[01:39:07]  You've got, for one, they declare the pride.
[01:39:10]  You have absolute laziness, which I attribute to socialism.
[01:39:13]  People who think, I love this, the idea is that when communism takes over, there'll be slam poets or something.
[01:39:18]  They'll be working in a field if you're not put up against the wall.
[01:39:20]  But they don't wanna work.
[01:39:21]  They're envious, they're greedy, they're lazy, they're angry, they're prideful.
[01:39:29]  All of it exemplified in one event.
[01:39:31]  Yeah, but I do want to circle back on their motives, especially as it relates to obesity and food, because what many of these people won't realize is they're being manipulated.
[01:39:42]  Because if obesity is okay, then you're not going to look at, why are we getting heavier?
[01:39:46]  I mean, the average person weighs 30 pounds more than they used to in America.
[01:39:50]  It's greed.
[01:39:51]  Yes, because the FDA, these big corporations, they're very greedy.
[01:39:56]  They don't want people to wake up to the fact and say, why am I so much heavier than All of my grandparents, all of my family were 50 years ago.
[01:40:03]  When is Dow Chemical going to pay for the Bhopal disaster?
[01:40:06]  Exactly.
[01:40:07]  That's what it's about.
[01:40:08]  These big companies don't want to lose money.
[01:40:11]  They don't want to be held responsible.
[01:40:12]  They offer lucrative jobs to government officials.
[01:40:15]  Once you're out of the FDA, you'll come and work here and vice versa.
[01:40:18]  And they get their people from their companies appointed to make money.
[01:40:21]  So ain't nobody going to come out and condemn Splenda.
[01:40:24]  Granted, Aspartame just got hit recently.
[01:40:26]  Yes.
[01:40:26]  But this is the issue.
[01:40:28]  All of these things, and the left just defends them on tribal grounds, I guess?
[01:40:33]  It's the weirdest thing to defend the government mandating private corporations get no bid, no liability contracts, but that's what they did.
[01:40:42]  It's just all of the seven... That's my point.
[01:40:44]  Seven deadly sins.
[01:40:45]  There you go.
[01:40:45]  That's the weird part for me, is the defense of corporations.
[01:40:49]  Because I, growing up, like, the left was actually the ones criticizing corporations, right?
[01:40:55]  Like, I don't know if you've seen the movie, the documentary, The Corporation, for example.
[01:40:58]  I haven't seen it, but yes, they used it.
[01:41:00]  Yeah, that was actually had like a bit of an effect on me, like that documentary.
[01:41:05]  And I think they came out with something like a follow up to that recently as well.
[01:41:09]  And like, so for me, I was like always looking at corporations in a really suspicious way.
[01:41:16]  And corporations, you know, they're like non, they're sort of I look at them as sort of psychopaths, right?
[01:41:21]  And that was sort of the thesis of that documentary.
[01:41:24]  And now corporations are sort of seen as these beacons of like arbiters of ethics and morals and they have a say in society.
[01:41:36]  Like they are the arbiters of righteousness.
[01:41:41]  And I find that really suspicious and I find that strange that More people aren't suspicious of them.
[01:41:47]  Instead, they embrace them as part of society, as like almost like a human being, a politician.
[01:41:53]  And I think that's really... They have more power than our politicians.
[01:41:55]  Getting Pfizer tattoos?
[01:41:57]  They do.
[01:41:58]  Are people getting a Pfizer tattoo?
[01:41:59]  Really?
[01:41:59]  There's tons of videos of people getting Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson.
[01:42:02]  No.
[01:42:03]  Really?
[01:42:04]  I didn't see that.
[01:42:04]  That's amazing.
[01:42:05]  I mean, I'm not doubting you, but wow.

=== Mentally Ill Tattoos (03:54) ===

[01:42:07]  This timeline gets better and better.
[01:42:10]  I mean, and look, and I'm not, like, anti-pharmaceutical because, like, I need them for my life.
[01:42:13]  I'm okay with them getting Pfizer tattoos if they want to brand themselves as an idiot for life, like, permanently, that's fine.
[01:42:18]  Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't get a tattoo.
[01:42:20]  I'm not, like, uh, pharma is completely evil.
[01:42:23]  Um, sometimes they are, but... Imagine you start seeing a guy, and you find out he has a Pfizer tattoo.
[01:42:30]  There were a b- There were a b- Lookit, here you go.
[01:42:33]  Here's one, Dallas Fire Rescue Medical Director uses tattoos to spark conversations around COVID or whatever.
[01:42:37]  So you had a bunch of people getting, look at a J&J tattoo.
[01:42:41]  Oh, that wasn't even a COVID-19 Pfizer.
[01:42:43]  They got the recalled one.
[01:42:44]  The recalled tattoo is really, really something.
[01:42:47]  That was kind of cute, the one with like the face, the blue one with the little.
[01:42:51]  This?
[01:42:52]  The one at the top.
[01:42:53]  Oh, this one.
[01:42:53]  Yeah, that one's kind of cute.
[01:42:55]  What does it say?
[01:42:56]  Phase three.
[01:42:57]  And look, getting your vaccine card tattooed.
[01:43:02]  I mean, I guess that's a time... The J&J tattoo right there.
[01:43:06]  Johnson and Johnson.
[01:43:06]  They might as well just put it on their forehead.
[01:43:08]  I'm mentally ill.
[01:43:10]  You know, but I don't think it's mental illness.
[01:43:14]  You don't think you have to be mentally ill?
[01:43:16]  You don't think being mentally ill is a prerequisite to tattooing your COVID vaccination card on your arm?
[01:43:20]  That is not mental illness.
[01:43:21]  It saves time.
[01:43:22]  That's absolutely mental illness.
[01:43:24]  It's literally, factually, academically not mentally ill.
[01:43:27]  I can guarantee you these people have some sort of mental illness.
[01:43:34]  The fact that human beings throughout history have adhered to authority indicates it is not mental illness for people to blindly follow leaders and things like that.
[01:43:42]  The reality is it is more damning to tell you that these people are not as what we would define as mentally ill.
[01:43:49]  This is what people do.
[01:43:51]  It's standard.
[01:43:52]  It's standard.
[01:43:54]  The people who marched behind the famous photo of all the people saluting Hitler and the one guy crossing his arms.
[01:44:01]  He might have even crossed his arms, not out of defiance, like for all we know.
[01:44:04]  He just made it, but he felt like it.
[01:44:06]  To argue that every single human who has ever followed an authoritarian regime is mentally ill is just wrong.
[01:44:11]  It's what humans do.
[01:44:12]  No, but I'm not calling anyone who got the vaccine or adhered to that mentally ill.
[01:44:16]  I'm saying if you tattoo Johnson & Johnson on your arm, you're probably a little kooky.
[01:44:20]  But you're saying it as an insult.
[01:44:21]  I'm saying it as a fact.
[01:44:23]  I think it's important to understand if someone actually has a mental illness that results in them following the leader.
[01:44:27]  And I don't think so.
[01:44:28]  I think humans Like we would not we would not define someone as being mentally ill because they adhere to authority.
[01:44:34]  I have to say that I learned a lot through the pandemic that I didn't realize about compliance, even about my own compliance.
[01:44:40]  Right.
[01:44:41]  Like I think especially in the beginning, there is a lot that people are like, OK, out of fear and out of following just the human dynamic.
[01:44:49]  There's even all these videos, right, where people just like will be in a medical office and then somebody will just stand up and other people will stand up and everybody stands up and they don't even know they're doing it.
[01:44:59]  Yeah.
[01:44:59]  It was a study they did where they had people come into an office for an appointment, and when the person walks in, there's a beep every minute, and then when it goes off, a person stands up and then sits down.
[01:45:14]  Then they have a couple people come in and sit down, and the mark has no idea what's going on, notices them.
[01:45:19]  The new people who come in, also, the beep goes off, they stand up, then they sit down.
[01:45:23]  Eventually, this person started doing it too.
[01:45:26]  Me?
[01:45:26]  I wouldn't do it.
[01:45:27]  I would, I would just ask, like, is there, why is everyone standing?
[01:45:30]  I would literally go, what are you standing for?
[01:45:32]  Like, what's happening?
[01:45:33]  And if they didn't have an answer, I'd just be like, that's not, I'm not involved in that.
[01:45:36]  But people literally do this.
[01:45:38]  A lot of people do.
[01:45:39]  And I think also, it's important to recognize in oneself, like, a lot of, like, even if you think you won't do it, a lot of people, they might think they won't do it.

=== Masked Confrontation (07:10) ===

[01:45:50]  But are capable and under certain situation of doing these things.
[01:45:54]  And if you don't kind of watch yourself carefully, I think it's important to know that anybody is kind of capable and under the right circumstances.
[01:46:02]  Yeah, arrest, fear for your life.
[01:46:05]  You would land at LaGuardia during COVID and National Guard would be there.
[01:46:10]  Yeah, I mean, I did certain things during the pandemic that I later had rethought.
[01:46:18]  But like, I mean, it's it's I think it's important to know that.
[01:46:23]  And then I watch other things that people did, like certain things, I think for me, For me, the limits tend to be very moral, like, ethical, and that's where, like, where I wake up.
[01:46:34]  But, but certain things, like, I might go along with, that are where the morality doesn't kick in, where I'm like, okay, there, like, there were errors, arrows, sort of, or things like that, where... I defied all the arrows.
[01:46:47]  Yeah.
[01:46:47]  Are you talking about, like, in supermarkets?
[01:46:48]  Yeah, like in supermarkets, right?
[01:46:51]  So there's all these people who might walk, right?
[01:46:54]  And a lot of people did, right?
[01:46:56]  And it has no logic.
[01:46:58]  So for me, I often will be like, this makes no logical sense.
[01:47:02]  And then I'll like, why would I do this?
[01:47:05]  Right.
[01:47:05]  But sometimes you don't think these things through and you do it on autopilot.
[01:47:10]  So it's important to be really aware all the time.
[01:47:13]  There's a couple of things I would say.
[01:47:17]  Apt navigation may require certain behaviors you disagree with.
[01:47:22]  So, you know, I want to go into a Home Depot, I had to wear a mask.
[01:47:25]  Am I going to sit there and scream and yell at people, or am I going to walk in, grab my stuff and get out?
[01:47:29]  I'm going to avoid the confrontation.
[01:47:31]  To be honest, most of the time in West Virginia, you didn't need a mask.
[01:47:34]  Like, nobody cared.
[01:47:35]  And so I have a picture of me.
[01:47:38]  I took a t-shirt and tied it with a shoelace around my face because we went to Home Depot.
[01:47:42]  I walked in with shopping and they said, you got to put on a mask or leave.
[01:47:45]  And I was like, oh, I'm getting this stuff and leaving.
[01:47:47]  And they're like, no.
[01:47:47]  And then I'm like, I don't have time for this and I don't care.
[01:47:50]  So I wrapped a shirt around my face and then they stopped talking to me.
[01:47:53]  I'm like, there's... And some people may disagree.
[01:47:57]  They say, no, you should stand your ground and all that stuff.
[01:47:59]  And I'm like, Yeah, I don't think it is a lapse of morality to sometimes comply for the sake of efficiency.
[01:48:10]  Yeah.
[01:48:11]  But there is a line, and we all have a different one, that is, some people outright got into screaming matches with people over wearing masks, and I'm like, I don't know how effective that is towards winning.
[01:48:19]  I don't think it's useful.
[01:48:20]  So this is where I kind of look at things.
[01:48:23]  I'm like, would me getting in a confrontation with some clerk at a store change anything?
[01:48:28]  No.
[01:48:29]  It's going to ruin someone's day and yours.
[01:48:30]  Exactly.
[01:48:31]  But what can I do to change that outcome?
[01:48:34]  Don't shop there.
[01:48:36]  Maybe, or maybe, right, well, there was no, like, for example, where I was, it was a law, right?
[01:48:42]  There was nowhere to shop.
[01:48:43]  It was never a law, to clarify.
[01:48:44]  Where I was.
[01:48:46]  No.
[01:48:46]  No, but I'm in Canada, so it was... Oh, in Canada!
[01:48:49]  Never mind, you're correct.
[01:48:50]  I thought you were in New York.
[01:48:51]  No, no.
[01:48:51]  So it was law.
[01:48:52]  I didn't know.
[01:48:53]  I was wrong.
[01:48:54]  Yes, it was law.
[01:48:55]  So there was no choice, but what can I do that would be more effective?
[01:49:00]  Well, writing, you know, to politicians and campaigning and, you know, doing things like that, that has more potential effect than me, like, getting into a confrontation with a clerk that can't do anything.
[01:49:12]  So I, yeah, I comply.
[01:49:14]  I mean, at the beginning, I didn't know better, right?
[01:49:16]  Especially with masks, like, I did not know better.
[01:49:20]  I wore the flimsy masks.
[01:49:21]  I freely admit this.
[01:49:23]  I still think like well at a certain point I thought definitely the N95s at the very least I think do something if you wear them properly fitted but whatever I won't get into this but I do think that But in general, with rules and things like that, if you disagree with them, does it make a difference to try and argue with some poor schmuck at a thing?
[01:49:51]  No.
[01:49:52]  No, but more people should have protested.
[01:49:54]  But protesting could.
[01:49:55]  Yeah, protesting could in that situation.
[01:49:58]  Writing to your politicians, campaigning for it.
[01:50:01]  You know what they're going to do with that letter?
[01:50:03]  No, actually no, I worked in an office at some point.
[01:50:06]  You guys had a lot of them.
[01:50:07]  If you get a lot of them, yeah, if it's organized, they take, even at one letter, they take it as like, because when I worked at an office, they actually said like, they consider even one letter to be the equivalent of like a hundred.
[01:50:20]  So they do care about it, actually.
[01:50:21]  They do postcard dumps and stuff.
[01:50:23]  There was a, in West Virginia, there was a cafe, and we prefer small businesses.
[01:50:29]  I prefer avoiding chains when possible.
[01:50:31]  So, uh, there's a big shopping area, and they've got a cafe, and there's also a Starbucks across the street.
[01:50:38]  And we said, of course, we shop local.
[01:50:40]  And we walked up, and they had a big thing on the door saying, masks mandated.
[01:50:44]  In West Virginia.
[01:50:46]  So I said, Starbucks it is.
[01:50:47]  Starbucks had no mask mandate.
[01:50:49]  Walked right into Starbucks, nobody wearing masks, not a care in the world.
[01:50:51]  And I'm like, that's how you do it.
[01:50:54]  If Starbucks says no mask mandate, Starbucks gets my money.
[01:50:57]  If a local business, I walked up and I was like, oh, masks?
[01:51:01]  I'm not coming in, and we turn around and walk out.
[01:51:02]  So it wasn't fully mandated by the government in the US?
[01:51:07]  In West Virginia, there was a mask mandate, no one followed.
[01:51:10]  Okay.
[01:51:11]  So that's the thing, the power of culture.
[01:51:13]  The government comes out and they're like, everyone's gotta do this, and everyone started laughing about it.
[01:51:17]  And they were like, oh yeah?
[01:51:19]  Come on, it's not gonna fly.
[01:51:20]  No one in West Virginia, What you mentioned about, do you really wanna get into it with a clerk?
[01:51:26]  These are likely bigger chains, or you have these small businesses in New York that are terrified that a cop's gonna walk in at any moment.
[01:51:33]  And there was even a restaurant in New York that had their door open, and they got fined, because the cops, these people are evil.
[01:51:40]  In West Virginia, the people who own the businesses are more worried about you leaving than a cop showing up.
[01:51:45]  So if you walk in with no mask, they're gonna be like, please just buy something.
[01:51:49]  Like, you know, I'm not worried about a cop showing up.
[01:51:52]  And those cops, they also know that because of that cultural shift, no cop wants to be the guy to go into a store and find them, because they're going to know who you are.
[01:52:00]  And you're not going to have a good time.
[01:52:02]  That's the thing about rural living versus urban living.
[01:52:06]  When you live in a big city and you have 50,000 cops who don't care about you and will mercilessly beat you if they're commanded to, people are terrified of them.
[01:52:13]  But if you're in Jefferson County and your sheriff's department has a couple dozen officers, everyone knows by name, they know that if they do something wrong, they're not gonna be able to buy a bagel tomorrow because the bagel shop's gonna be like, what were you doing?
[01:52:24]  I saw you out there harassing that kid.
[01:52:25]  Come on, man.
[01:52:27]  And they know it's a lot harder in a smaller community.
[01:52:30]  That's why I think cities are awful, by the way.
[01:52:32]  Gotta get out of the cities before it's too late.
[01:52:35]  You're still in Canada now?
[01:52:36]  Yes, I am.
[01:52:37]  Commie Canada?
[01:52:39]  Well, socialists, you know, it's different.
[01:52:41]  Man, I feel bad for you guys.

=== Combination Of Ignorance And Malice (10:38) ===

[01:52:42]  Aren't you pro-socialism?
[01:52:45]  You know, the funny thing is, so I started out being a more capital, hardcore, because I'm an immigrant, right?
[01:52:54]  I think a lot of immigrants tend to be a little more capitalist-leaning.
[01:52:58]  So I was like more capitalist and I would tell people I'm libertarian because I studied in a very left-leaning department, State Communications.
[01:53:08]  And so to trigger them, I would tell them that I was more conservative than I was, and I would tell them I was a libertarian.
[01:53:14]  But actually I wasn't, but... No, I was more libertarian back then.
[01:53:17]  I actually turned more, I became over time... And you know, there's that adage of, right, if you have no heart, if you're not like... If you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart, and if you're not conservative when you're older, you have no head.
[01:53:30]  So the weird thing is... That's a nonsense statement, by the way.
[01:53:33]  Yeah, it is a nonsense statement.
[01:53:35]  But if you were to believe that, I'm losing my head now, because I've grown a little more pro-socialism over time.
[01:53:43]  Because I still believe in capitalism, and I definitely have a lot of views on that, but at the same time, I do now... I'm not libertarian, and I have some, maybe, libertarian beliefs on some things, like drugs and stuff.
[01:53:59]  But I do think that some elements of socialism I do believe in.
[01:54:07]  Like healthcare, for example.
[01:54:10]  I want to amend that famous quote, and I'll put it this way.
[01:54:13]  If you're a leftist, you are stupid and evil.
[01:54:18]  Yes, did not see that one coming.
[01:54:22]  I find that, okay, so I find that so not useful because leftists will say like really horrible things about the right-wing and I don't think... I didn't say the right was good.
[01:54:32]  Yeah, but I don't like... I said leftist, not liberal.
[01:54:34]  No, no, but I just don't like... I understand, but I just don't... If you're a fascist, you're stupid and evil.
[01:54:39]  Okay, I just find that whenever you state anything like that, it just breaks conversations down.
[01:54:47]  Some people are like, I won't talk to you if you have a pronounced G-O-J.
[01:54:52]  But this is an inevitability, I suppose.
[01:54:57]  But I talk to people with pronouns in their bios.
[01:54:59]  The reason I do is because I think you don't know where anybody's coming from.
[01:55:03]  You don't know where they're going to go.
[01:55:04]  And if you have free conversations, even not, I told you before we started, I'll even talk to... But you're describing a problem on the left and on the right.
[01:55:13]  I will talk with anybody.
[01:55:15]  We'll invite a hardcore communist on this show to talk.
[01:55:18]  They don't do the same.
[01:55:20]  They're the cult that rejects conversation.
[01:55:23]  Look, I've invited people on the show who have insulted me on numerous occasions.
[01:55:28]  I think I did.
[01:55:30]  The problem is on their side, not on my side.
[01:55:33]  So, you know, it's gonna be what it is.
[01:55:36]  And I think it's fair to say that if you're a leftist, you're stupid and evil, of course it's a bit hyperbolic, but I'll clarify in a more academic way.
[01:55:44]  If you hold hard leftist values, you are ignorant of history, the facts, or, and probably a combination of the two, you are maliciously evil in that you seek to cause harm for personal gain.
[01:55:57]  They want to destroy humanity.
[01:55:58]  They're inherently anti-human.
[01:56:00]  I don't... I don't think it's so absolute to say they're anti-human.
[01:56:05]  Oh, absolutely.
[01:56:06]  I don't think they think that they want to destroy humanity.
[01:56:08]  They want less people.
[01:56:09]  They think you and I are not worthy enough to... That's why I say it's not so absolute.
[01:56:12]  They obviously want some humans to exist to serve them and abide by their lusts and demands.
[01:56:19]  But, you know, it is an inherently destructive philosophy and ideology.
[01:56:23]  So...
[01:56:25]  If you look throughout history, any extremist element, an authoritarian element, has been a net negative on humanity and extremely destructive.
[01:56:33]  I am not making any excuses for fascists.
[01:56:35]  They are also stupid and evil.
[01:56:36]  If you hold fascist values and beliefs, you are a combination of ignorant of history and or maliciously evil.
[01:56:45]  Right now, Nazis have no real political swing anywhere in the United States or in Europe.
[01:56:49]  But the left holds tremendous, and I don't mean liberals, I mean the left, holds tremendous institutional power.
[01:56:55]  They're losing it, as we've seen with Bud Light and stuff like that.
[01:56:58]  But these are people who are a combination of ignorant and evil.
[01:57:02]  The idea, first, let's talk about ignorant.
[01:57:05]  Decentralized systems are faster and more efficient than hard centralized command economies.
[01:57:10]  Period, end of story.
[01:57:12]  You can look throughout history and see it in every capacity.
[01:57:14]  Additionally, in terms of survivability, The hardcore decentralization also, like left libertarian ideologies, also don't work.
[01:57:22]  You need to have a balance.
[01:57:24]  There needs to be a degree of hierarchy and a degree of decentralized decision making, which is why I think America is so brilliant.
[01:57:32]  The executive branch for certain issues, the legislative and judicial branch for other issues is masterfully done and is probably the best we could have done so far.
[01:57:40]  We can probably improve upon it though.
[01:57:41]  Yeah.
[01:57:42]  Right now, what we've seen from the left is The combination of left libertarians, alright in my book for the most part, not so evil, just kind of ignorant.
[01:57:55]  I like left libertarianism to a great degree.
[01:57:57]  Very, very ineffective and can't scale.
[01:58:00]  So what you end up with is, in the modern culture war, authoritarian leftism, or various degrees of authoritarian, which literally just can't and doesn't work.
[01:58:08]  It results in conflict, fighting, fear, suffering, etc.
[01:58:12]  The same is true for ultra-traditionalist authoritarianism, you know, for sure.
[01:58:15]  The adherence towards, like, hard cultural values by force.
[01:58:19]  So how can we empower more of the libertarianism that you do like?
[01:58:24]  I think we're winning, and I think we're doing exactly that.
[01:58:27]  If you look at Bud Light and Target, this corporate adherence is failing.
[01:58:31]  If you look at where things are starting to trend towards, there's an ebb and flow.
[01:58:36]  There's a pendulum swing.
[01:58:38]  Leftists gained a lot of power.
[01:58:39]  It caused a massive backlash.
[01:58:41]  Now people are pushing back, and we're seeing, you know, with more and more disaffected liberals pushing back against this.
[01:58:47]  With 9 million Obama supporters voting for Trump, you're seeing an inversion, you know, and a push back in the direction.
[01:58:53]  I don't think you'll ever have a perfect system.
[01:58:55]  You'll just have a constant back and forth.
[01:58:57]  So long as we adhere to intelligent values and true virtues, we'll resist the worst evils of history in the world.
[01:59:09]  Granted, we sometimes fall.
[01:59:10]  I think a lot of it has to do with the media, too.
[01:59:12]  I think the media, especially since it's run by the left, is one of the most sinister things that they've done because they've completely bastardized our consciousness and what it means to be human and the things that we care about.
[01:59:23]  So I think dismantling that and empowering more people to have discussions like Tim does here and like other independent journalists are doing is one of the most important steps in healing whatever the hell is going on here and dismantling the left.
[01:59:37]  The challenge is that for a lot of humans, that's why I was saying it's not a mental illness to get a tattoo, many people don't pay attention, don't care and just want to say what they have to say to survive.
[01:59:47]  Humans are social beings, so if they believe popular culture mandates X, they will engage in X for the sake of survival.
[01:59:54]  We need to shift the narrative on what is required of people to be good citizens.
[01:59:59]  Conservatives gave that fight up a long time ago.
[02:00:01]  They're starting to push back.
[02:00:03]  You've got to have the big ask.
[02:00:05]  I am not a Christian.
[02:00:05]  I think it's good that Christians are winning certain fights because it creates a middle ground.
[02:00:09]  Yeah, so you've indicated that you see yourself more as a centrist and, you know, I kind of identify as a liberal, but a lot of people have sort of told me, well, you got to pick a side, right?
[02:00:23]  And the thing is, like, politically, so this is kind of my question here, politically, You know, there's always this kind of thing where you got two sides.
[02:00:34]  Right.
[02:00:34]  And I don't vote in the US, but like if I was forced to vote in the US, you know, you've got like conservatives or Republicans rather.
[02:00:44]  And then you've got the Democrats.
[02:00:46]  And for somebody who doesn't necessarily identify with either, because like one really doesn't quite represent a lot of the things that, you know, I feel.
[02:00:57]  And then the other one, I also feel like it's kind of gone a little, doesn't represent either in the values department, let's say, and how they operate.
[02:01:08]  What do people who are kind of trapped between the two, what choice do they really have?
[02:01:14]  Well, you do have a choice.
[02:01:15]  First, there are other political parties taking the defeatist approach of like, well, but they're not going to win.
[02:01:20]  You vote for your principles and no one ever said you deserved to win.
[02:01:24]  If everybody voted on principle, maybe you would, but too many people are scared.
[02:01:28]  I think the true liberal and centrist approach would be, and libertarian, a vote for Donald Trump.
[02:01:37]  Because he is your greatest opportunity towards firing the bureaucracy.
[02:01:42]  DeSantis won't do it.
[02:01:43]  He might.
[02:01:43]  I'm not super concerned.
[02:01:44]  I'm not super trustful that he would.
[02:01:47]  Joe Biden is the bureaucracy.
[02:01:49]  So my view is this.
[02:01:51]  We have a primary system.
[02:01:52]  The primary has a lot of different people of various backgrounds.
[02:01:55]  I mean, Ron Paul ran for president as a Republican, but we know he's very libertarian.
[02:01:59]  It is not that you have two choices.
[02:02:01]  It is- it is not true to say, there's only two parties, who do I vote for?
[02:02:04]  Yo, if you think that, that means you're only paying attention at the very last minute.
[02:02:08]  If you were there from the beginning of the race, you would know that at the local level, and in the primary level, you have an opportunity to vote for people who are more along with you ideologically.
[02:02:15]  And people say, the two-party system is broken.
[02:02:17]  I completely disagree.
[02:02:18]  You got Bernie Sanders, and you got- the problem is the privatization of the two parties.
[02:02:23]  That, for sure.
[02:02:24]  But varying ideologies exist.
[02:02:25]  The Democratic Socialists are getting a tremendous amount of ground in the Democratic Party.
[02:02:29]  I just think the same thing to do for anybody who truly pays attention is to vote for Donald Trump.
[02:02:34]  Not because he's a savior, not because he's a hero, not because he's a good guy, but because the one thing that this country really, really needs is for career bureaucrats in D.C.
[02:02:41]  to be fired from their jobs because they're unelected.
[02:02:44]  The people who are actually facilitating the filing of paperwork, who are writing the bills, who are basically running the system, have not been elected and have been in government for decades.
[02:02:55]  They must be fired.
[02:02:56]  We need term limits on government employees.
[02:02:59]  For that reason alone, our best opportunity moving forward is to get Donald Trump in so he can fire a ton of people, and that's it.

=== Sign Up to Vote (08:05) ===

[02:03:05]  He's got one term left, he fires everybody, we need sunset clauses on laws, we need term limits for government employees, and then things will dramatically start to improve.
[02:03:15]  Outside of that, Vivek Ramaswamy.
[02:03:17]  You know what would solve the problem in this country overnight?
[02:03:21]  I believe, and I'll say this in a preliminary sort of sense that needs review and an honest academic assessment.
[02:03:30]  In order to vote, you must sign up for this elective service.
[02:03:34]  You do not have to sign up for this elective service, it is optional.
[02:03:38]  That will solve this country's problems, in my opinion, within the matter of a few election cycles.
[02:03:43]  And then would you do away with the draft?
[02:03:45]  No, that is the draft.
[02:03:48]  Here's how it works.
[02:03:49]  You want to vote in this country?
[02:03:50]  Sign up for the draft.
[02:03:51]  You agree with the draft?
[02:03:53]  I don't agree with the federal government sending people to Vietnam in the draft.
[02:04:00]  I do agree that if this country were to be invaded, it should not even be required there be a draft.
[02:04:07]  If someone broke into my house, I will protect my house.
[02:04:10]  If a roving band of gang members were attacking my neighbors, I would do whatever I could to help my neighbors.
[02:04:16]  Then you shouldn't need the draft.
[02:04:18]  That's my point.
[02:04:19]  It should be voluntary, no?
[02:04:21]  It should be that for among American citizens, we all agree, that the draft, the problem with the draft and why I have opposed it and why most people do is because we sent people overseas to Vietnam.
[02:04:33]  Why?
[02:04:33]  Because we are scared the Viet Cong and the communists were spreading it.
[02:04:37]  Get out of here.
[02:04:38]  I don't care about that.
[02:04:39]  But if you were a country fighting for noble causes, you might not need a draft necessarily because people would want to fight for their country.
[02:04:47]  Right, if the United States was being invaded, most people would probably agree we need to stand up and defend ourselves.
[02:04:52]  It's not a choice at that point.
[02:04:53]  I mean, I'm actually against the draft because I think it's immoral to force somebody to fight, to kill.
[02:05:00]  I would actually agree with you.
[02:05:01]  I disagree.
[02:05:03]  I think that view exists only in a liberalized society that hasn't actually had to deal with conflict.
[02:05:10]  But I assure you, if someone broke into your house and had a knife and was threatening your children- No, but you could volun- No, no.
[02:05:16]  Because voluntarily, probably- Like, if that was the case, I would fight, right?
[02:05:21]  That's my point.
[02:05:22]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:05:23]  But I'm saying that's why I wouldn't have a draft, though.
[02:05:26]  I don't think it's fair to force someone to do that, but it doesn't mean that other people won't choose to voluntarily do it, or that I wouldn't choose to.
[02:05:34]  I understand.
[02:05:35]  I agree.
[02:05:36]  It shouldn't be mandated.
[02:05:37]  It should be unthinkable not to.
[02:05:39]  Correct.
[02:05:39]  However, my point is this.
[02:05:40]  Yeah.
[02:05:41]  If right now we said, in order to vote you have to sign up, we're resetting selective service.
[02:05:47]  Everyone, it is optional, men and women, optional to sign up.
[02:05:51]  If you want to vote, you must sign up.
[02:05:53]  That's all you have to do.
[02:05:54]  That's the bare minimum.
[02:05:56]  You know what would happen in this country?
[02:05:58]  Uninformed, ignorant, and lazy people would be like, no way I'm signing up for that!
[02:06:04]  And well-informed, impassioned people who would defend this country would be like, I absolutely would fight for this country, I'll sign up for that.
[02:06:10]  It is an optional thing to do, you don't have to, but you don't get to vote unless you do.
[02:06:15]  If you won't swear a pledge to defend this country, why should I allow you to have said it?
[02:06:19]  But only defend the country if it's invaded, yeah.
[02:06:21]  That's the problem with the draft, admittedly.
[02:06:23]  That people in power will weaponize it for war and gain and stuff.
[02:06:27]  Yeah.
[02:06:27]  But I think this right now, again, I'm saying it requires assessment.
[02:06:31]  There's too many people voting.
[02:06:32]  There's too many stupid people voting.
[02:06:34]  And so how do you solve it?
[02:06:35]  Well, you still have the option to vote.
[02:06:37]  But what if we said this?
[02:06:38]  Right now, people are complaining that only men have to sign up for the Selective Service.
[02:06:42]  And a lot of men complain they have to in the first place.
[02:06:45]  It is like, hey, I oppose the draft.
[02:06:46]  It's like, okay.
[02:06:47]  Well, how about we say this?
[02:06:49]  You have no duty to this country, but you can't vote.
[02:06:52]  How's that choice?
[02:06:53]  I think that's fair.
[02:06:54]  You have no obligation to die for this nation, but you also don't get the privilege of choosing how the nation is run.
[02:06:59]  Then, the only people who will be voting are the people who could fight in the first place.
[02:07:04]  And is that, would you say that's only for, that's for federal elections or even local elections?
[02:07:09]  Everything.
[02:07:10]  What if I wanted to vote for city council?
[02:07:12]  Elderly people have to sign up for it.
[02:07:14]  You can serve this nation during wartime without fighting.
[02:07:17]  There are things that anyone can do no matter how old you are.
[02:07:19]  So in order to vote for city council or my local... You have to sign up.
[02:07:24]  I would have to sign up to serve federally to protect the country.
[02:07:31]  Signing up for Selective Service is being called... There's a bunch of different branches.
[02:07:36]  Theoretically, it could be National Guard, it could be Coast Guard, whatever.
[02:07:38]  Yeah, but that would be for the nation as opposed to local municipalities.
[02:07:42]  Don't care.
[02:07:42]  Absolutely.
[02:07:42]  No, I don't agree with that.
[02:07:43]  Here's what happens.
[02:07:45]  People who sign up for Selective Service are the ones who would have to go to war.
[02:07:50]  Guess which direction they would be likely to vote in.
[02:07:53]  The people who don't go to war are voting for war.
[02:07:56]  The people who aren't serving, Democrats, are supporting war in Ukraine, likely getting us involved in a foreign entanglement which may have no end.
[02:08:03]  Hey, if you are unwilling to fight that war, don't vote for it.
[02:08:07]  Let's take away... So here's what we do.
[02:08:09]  Yeah, but what if I just, like, want to bridge-built my town?
[02:08:12]  I have to now be in the Selective Service?
[02:08:14]  Absolutely not.
[02:08:14]  You think you have a right to take the money from people in this country without putting up anything in return?
[02:08:20]  No, that's not what I'm saying.
[02:08:21]  You want to build a bridge that costs money.
[02:08:23]  Where's that money coming from?
[02:08:24]  Me, you, taxpayers, but absolutely not.
[02:08:27]  So if you want to say... So I would have to fight in a war to get a bridge.
[02:08:31]  Technically, you would have to fight in a war.
[02:08:34]  Like, how often would you be voting for war?
[02:08:36]  You would vote in a war?
[02:08:37]  I don't know.
[02:08:38]  I feel like you could have a lot less issues if you just removed the D's and the R's.
[02:08:42]  This is what you're misunderstanding.
[02:08:43]  If the only people who can vote are those who are the ones eligible to fight, they're not going to vote for war.
[02:08:51]  Yeah, that would be effective at stopping war and anti-interventionists.
[02:08:55]  I don't think you need to go to war to have skin in the game.
[02:08:57]  are the ones who are overseeing how we actually run the show. - I don't think you need to go to war to have skin in the game.
[02:09:03]  I think mothers in this country have a lot of skin in the game, raising the entire next generation.
[02:09:09]  - Well then, that's ultimately the point.
[02:09:11]  That's why I'm saying this is a simple approach.
[02:09:14]  There's gotta be some... You want mothers to have to sign up for that?
[02:09:17]  I mean, I'm probably... The drafts could involve cooking food.
[02:09:20]  Yeah.
[02:09:21]  So, the misconception people have is that when you're drafted, like, you're on the front line with a gun.
[02:09:26]  It's like, bro, you could be fixing refrigerators.
[02:09:29]  You could literally be running a daycare.
[02:09:30]  Do I look like I'm gonna fix refrigerators?
[02:09:32]  Are you gonna run a daycare?
[02:09:34]  Are you gonna take care of kids?
[02:09:37]  You wouldn't take care of people's kids who are, like, building a bridge?
[02:09:40]  I don't know, it depends.
[02:09:41]  Are you a Nazi or a transgender?
[02:09:44]  So, yes, one of the roles in a time of conflict could be watching kids.
[02:09:50]  The assumption that, like, a lot of people who got drafted cooked food.
[02:09:55]  And many of them didn't even go overseas.
[02:09:57]  Some of them, like, filed paperwork.
[02:10:00]  The idea that you refuse to serve your country but demand the right to dictate what that country do is insane to me.
[02:10:06]  Like, you've gotta have some skin in the game.
[02:10:07]  You can't just be like, I live here, therefore I can tell everyone else what to do.
[02:10:10]  I would agree with that more if it was for federal elections.
[02:10:13]  But if I want to vote in a local election, I don't think I should need to serve the state.
[02:10:19]  You want to dictate what the state does without providing anything to us?
[02:10:22]  No, no, no.
[02:10:22]  You aren't paying taxes.
[02:10:23]  You are providing something to the state.
[02:10:26]  There's questions around that.
[02:10:27]  That's why I said it requires academic review to assess how you actually navigate this, but I'll put it simply.
[02:10:35]  It is a greater detriment that we allow people with contempt for the system to vote in it.
[02:10:40]  Yeah.
[02:10:41]  I would agree with that.
[02:10:42]  If given the choice between leftists who hate America voting for its destruction and you have to have some skin in the game and a commitment to vote in the system, we're better off with those who are willing to say, yeah, I'll work for the community.
[02:10:55]  You know, I'm willing to do that.

=== Canadian Perspectives on Trudeau (04:42) ===

[02:10:56]  I will say, there's a lot of people who hate America lately.
[02:10:59]  Like, both on the left and I will say also on the right, which is like, for different reasons, though.
[02:11:05]  For different reasons.
[02:11:06]  But like, I've just noticed that as someone who does not hate America.
[02:11:11]  But you're Canadian, right?
[02:11:13]  I am.
[02:11:13]  I lived in New York also, though.
[02:11:14]  So I've spent a lot of time in the U.S.
[02:11:16]  A Canadian who loves America.
[02:11:18]  I do, I do.
[02:11:19]  How do you feel about Trudeau?
[02:11:24]  Well, you're right wing.
[02:11:25]  You know what?
[02:11:25]  Yeah, this will make me a little right wing.
[02:11:28]  A little?
[02:11:29]  You're a Nazi now.
[02:11:29]  I'm a Nazi now.
[02:11:31]  I am not.
[02:11:31]  I'm really stuck right now on my next election cycle because here's the thing.
[02:11:37]  Okay.
[02:11:37]  Thanks a lot, Ashley.
[02:11:40]  I am.
[02:11:42]  So I didn't used to like, so I didn't love, I never liked Trudeau particularly, but just because I didn't think he was particularly smart.
[02:11:49]  And I have a lot of friends in common with him so I knew he wasn't particularly smart.
[02:11:55]  But I didn't like loathe him and then I saw what he did with the with the um what is it the uh military act I forget what the act is called but specifically he froze people's bank accounts oh wow yeah yeah and I was like even people the truckers yeah for the truckers even people like in other countries were like gee like that's like invoking that is like man that was like pretty awful and that made me like fearful
[02:12:20]  And even like and even calling people the things that he called them just like for like I just watched that and I was just astounded by somebody who is Prime Minister doing that it was just to me that was crazy.
[02:12:38]  So final thoughts I guess we went a little over but we'll wrap up here I guess my point is you know The fact that you're willing to come here, the fact that you agree on some of these issues means you're right wing.
[02:12:48]  Yeah, I'm a Nazi.
[02:12:49]  Okay.
[02:12:50]  They'll say something like you're a fake liberal and they'll insult you for it and stuff like that.
[02:12:56]  But we'll wrap it up there.
[02:12:58]  We're getting into the swing of this show.
[02:13:01]  We're going to be building a new set.
[02:13:02]  We're going to be setting up new cameras.
[02:13:04]  Because right now this table is designed for a multi-person conversation, not like a one-on-one kind of thing.
[02:13:09]  But those things are coming.
[02:13:10]  There's three of us, Tim.
[02:13:12]  Geez.
[02:13:12]  Yeah, but like, we're gonna we're gonna have probably a half moon table or something, you know, we're like, design like a different set.
[02:13:21]  This is a table that fits six people.
[02:13:23]  I love how he ended the conversation on you're a Nazi now and you're a right winger.
[02:13:28]  Well, because you oppose Trudeau.
[02:13:30]  No, I do think it's awesome that you came out here and had the conversation, despite... Yeah, but you're, you know, you are very different from, say, you know, the typical Twitter leftist or whatever.
[02:13:39]  I am, but it also took me, I will say, like, it took me a little time to get there.
[02:13:44]  I used to never talk to anybody on the right, I'll be honest.
[02:13:47]  It's a cult.
[02:13:49]  Yeah, it wasn't intentional, I was just isolated, right?
[02:13:53]  And it was like, it took a bit of intention to get to the point.
[02:13:55]  That's what abusive cults do, they isolate you.
[02:13:58]  A study that I like to cite shows that moderates consume two-thirds liberal sources, one-third conservative sources.
[02:14:06]  Conservatives consume two-thirds conservative sources, one-third liberal sources.
[02:14:10]  And liberals consume 98% liberal sources.
[02:14:13]  So you quite literally have moderates and conservatives having the real conversation and liberals in a bubble.
[02:14:19]  But we'll wrap it up there.
[02:14:20]  It's been a blast.
[02:14:21]  Thank you guys for hanging out and having the conversation.
[02:14:23]  Of course.
[02:14:23]  I think it was very fun.
[02:14:24]  I'm gonna hit more of this oxygen.
[02:14:26]  I did give both Catherine and Ashley oxygen.
[02:14:28]  This is oxygen.
[02:14:29]  You guys should get this.
[02:14:30]  What is it?
[02:14:30]  Boost oxygen?
[02:14:31]  Boost oxygen.
[02:14:32]  I don't know.
[02:14:33]  I'm not a doctor, so I just got it.
[02:14:34]  I saw it on an ad.
[02:14:35]  And I swear, I didn't bring the smoke here, even though I got blamed for it.
[02:14:41]  But man, I...
[02:14:42]  You guys gotta get your fires in order, man.
[02:14:44]  Why am I bringing this up?
[02:14:44]  We need a bay in Canada instead of my New York City wood-fired pizza.
[02:14:47]  We gotta build a 200-foot, big, beautiful wall from sea to shining sea to block out the smoke that's coming from Canada.
[02:14:52]  Anyway, you guys wanna shout anything out before we wrap up?
[02:14:55]  Sure, I'll shout out my Twitter handle, it's mysteriouscat, with a K-A-T, and I also have a sub stack where I Where I both, I criticize both sides of the aisle and also talk about random things like imaginary friends that I don't have.
[02:15:12]  And my sub stack, I guess the easiest way to find it is Katherine Wrights, K-A-T-H-E-R-I-N-E, Wrights, I think you can spell that, dot com.
[02:15:23]  And those are the best ways to find me and I appreciate you having me with this I guess I'm a Nazi now, officially.

=== Next Friday's Episode (00:49) ===

[02:15:32]  Please don't clip that.
[02:15:33]  Now someone's going to.
[02:15:37]  There's a couple in there.
[02:15:38]  I hope they clip it.
[02:15:39]  You can follow me on Twitter at St.
[02:15:40]  Clair Ashley and you can buy my book Elephants Are Not Birds and as always check out TheBabylonBee.com All right, everybody.
[02:15:47]  Thanks for hanging out.
[02:15:48]  Become a member at TimCast.com.
[02:15:49]  We have a really awesome episode coming up next Friday in The Culture War.
[02:15:53]  Two guests.
[02:15:55]  We're slowly building up the show, so I want to make sure that when we're booking people, we get clearance for promotion.
[02:16:01]  So that Monday we can promote Friday, the big event, and in the morning we're going to be having these two individuals because I'm so excited for next week.
[02:16:09]  I'm not going to say anything just yet, but you'll love it.
[02:16:12]  It'll be a whole lot of fun.
[02:16:13]  And I'll leave it there.