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Let's just start right away by you guys introducing yourselves. | |
| You want to start? | ||
| Yeah, my name is Brandon Caserta. | ||
| I'm from Detroit, Michigan. | ||
| I'm just a regular guy who just so happened to be framed by the FBI for something that I didn't do. | ||
| Attempted framing. | ||
| You were found not guilty. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Attempted framing. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So this is in relation to the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And you are, ma'am? | ||
| I'm Christina. | ||
| I'm an independent journalist and filmmaker, and I'm currently directing and producing the forthcoming documentary about that story called Kidnap and Kill, an FBI terror plot that will tell the truth about the FBI's fabrication of a domestic terror plot to influence the election. | ||
| Yeah, big story being run far and wide on all the corporate press outlets about a group of men who were plotting to, what, overthrow the government or something like that. | ||
| And I believe that the cases are still ongoing, right? | ||
| There's still people who are awaiting trial. | ||
| You, Brandon, you were found, you were acquitted, as well as another individual. | ||
| Well, let's start from the beginning. | ||
| I mean, how does an FBI hoax terror plot begin? | ||
| How do you get involved in it? | ||
| Where are we at? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, you know, it's kind of interesting because during 2020, you know, we had all those riots and, and, and the lockdowns happen. | ||
| This was something that we haven't really seen happen before, you know, and it was pretty crazy. | ||
| It was a crazy time. | ||
| And, uh, you know, people like me were, were concerned. | ||
| We, uh, you know, I trained with firearms. | ||
| Uh, I really care about the second amendment and, you know, I'm, I'm critical of the government and I understand, you know, my philosophy and how to express that. | ||
| And, uh, So I was looking for kind of like-minded people to essentially be able to protect ourselves in case a real tyranny came down. | ||
| And from my experience, you know, I found these groups that would have private property to train on and you would go and train. | ||
| So it's just a regular thing, right? | ||
| People are talking about what they believe in and training with firearms, but little do you know that all the people who are training everyone are feds, right? | ||
| How many of them were feds? | ||
| Well, in just our case, the federal case, the six guys that went to the first trial, there was at least 12 informants there and then three undercover feds. | ||
| So, like, wait, how many people were- how many people total? | ||
| You've got- Six. | ||
| Well, six were charged federally, and then for those six people- Fifteen were feds. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or, like, informant or actual working feds. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So the majority of, like, the group. | ||
| That's just so insane. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They, like, make a fake group to try and bring people in or something? | ||
| That's exactly what they did. | ||
| They made so many fake profiles, militia profiles, like militia 3%, blah, blah, blah, whatever. | ||
| And they draw people in and try to organize people from other states and say, hey, we got this property, come train on it. | ||
| And hey, we got food. | ||
| It's like a family atmosphere. | ||
| It's really nothing wrong. | ||
| So people show up. | ||
| So all of these people who are being charged, do you know all of them? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, they were acquaintances of mine. | ||
| I really got closer to them when I was in jail awaiting trial than how well I knew them prior to that. | ||
| You were in for, what was it, 18 months? | ||
| Yes, 18 months. | ||
| On fake charges. | ||
| They made this up. | ||
| Yes, 100% made up. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Well, let's start from the beginning. | ||
| I have a million and one questions, but let's start with the charges and they arrest you and all that stuff. | ||
| What happens? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So how I got arrested was I was literally at work. | ||
| Um, I ordered lunch from the same place. | ||
| So I order, uh, you know, my, uh, avocado burger with jalapeno and onion on it. | ||
| And, uh, you know, I'm waiting to go get that. | ||
| And my supervisor comes up to me, he's like, Hey, uh, like the plant manager or whatever wants to talk to you. | ||
| And I'm assuming that he left. | ||
| Already, but I guess not. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So what happened with that is the FBI showed up, essentially told my supervisor, Hey, you got to get him and draw him over here. | ||
| So he's like, doesn't know what's going on. | ||
| He's like, Oh crap. | ||
| Like, okay. | ||
| So he tells me to go in this room. | ||
| I walk into this conference room that I had been in before, but the lights were out. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Yeah, and I walk in and I look around like, what? | ||
| Next thing you know, the lights flick on. | ||
| Fifteen plain-clothed FBI agents with baklavas over their face are like, get down on the ground now! | ||
| Put your hands behind your back! | ||
| Stop resisting! | ||
| And they just tackle me down to the ground, dude, and start digging through my pockets and all this stuff. | ||
| And I'm literally I don't know they're from the government. | ||
| They didn't say FBI or anything. | ||
| They just attacked me and essentially kidnapped me. | ||
| So when do you find out in this case that they're feds, you're being charged, they're coming after you? | ||
| So what happened after that is they put me in chains and they walked me up to this very tall slender man in a black suit with slicked back black hair and they said, is this the guy? | ||
| And he said, what's your name? | ||
| I said, Brandon. | ||
| He said, that's him. | ||
| Put him in the back. | ||
| And I'm like, okay. | ||
| So they throw me in the back and I realized these guys have these ear pieces on and stuff like that. | ||
| I'm like, oh, okay. | ||
| These are feds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're still not telling me anything. | ||
| You know, did you have an inkling? | ||
| Like, did you, or yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because they were trying to, they really wanted my phone. | ||
| They really wanted to look at my car and stuff. | ||
| So I just told him I don't consent to any of this. | ||
| You know, I don't consent, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| That's really all I could do. | ||
| They had me. | ||
| And then I didn't find out what the charges were exactly until we pulled up to the police station. | ||
| I was like, oh, okay. | ||
| You know, did you have any idea that anything like this could happen? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| The entire time, look, I'm a smart guy. | ||
| If I'm engaging in certain behaviors, I'm going to understand whether or not I could probably get in trouble for it. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Not one time did I ever think that I could get arrested or in trouble for just expressing my beliefs. | ||
| Me and my buddies wrote a sketch. | ||
| We never did it. | ||
| We wrote it years ago. | ||
| And it goes like this. | ||
| There's two cops in a van with surveillance equipment, and they're holding the earpiece to their right ear. | ||
| And then you hear a guy saying something like, all right, get in the van, load the equipment, take it to the bridge. | ||
| We're going to take all these people down. | ||
| And they're going like, oh man, this is getting crazy. | ||
| And then one guy's like, those, those are the victims. | ||
| You sure about this? | ||
| Yup. | ||
| That's the target. | ||
| Go now. | ||
| And they're like, we got to go in and stop these guys. | ||
| And they, the cops run out of the van, run to the house, kick the door in, and there's three fat dudes playing Grand Theft Auto. | ||
| And they're like, uh... Because, you know, the general idea is... It's funny, because me and my friends were talking about something like this years ago. | ||
| This is basically what they do. | ||
| My understanding, in your case, is they start asking you things. | ||
| They start sparking up conversations, asking how you feel about things, so that you can say something that's not illegal in any way, but they can misconstrue to a jury to make it seem like you had malintent. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| That's exactly what they did, and specifically, it's like a theatrical thing. | ||
| They record you training in certain instances, and then they pick certain angles of you with your firearm, and it makes it look more evil than what's actually happening. | ||
| They put these characters together, but they pick their main guys. | ||
| And usually that person is someone who's kind of like down and out, you know, they might not be the most intelligent person. | ||
| And they choose them and try to like groom them and coax them to say the most ridiculous things and put them in a leadership position and say, hey, you're the leader of Michigan, blah, blah, blah, whatever. | ||
| Like Adam. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We had talked to the guys from, you know, Paradise Lost. | ||
| Are you familiar with that? | ||
| No. | ||
| The Satanic Panic story from the 90s. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| The 80s, 90s. | ||
| Early 90s, I think. | ||
| It's been a while. | ||
| It's been a month or so since we had them. | ||
| But this is the general story. | ||
| The cops find a guy who's not too bright, interrogate him to the point where he breaks down and just says anything. | ||
| And then they say, now implicate these guys. | ||
| And he does. | ||
| And they go, we got him. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I was reading one quote in particular. | ||
| It's like the notable quote, I suppose, where they claimed you said something to the effect of, if it all goes down, I'm going to be armed and I'm going to take action or something to that effect. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Can you speak to that? | ||
| I mean, what is that about? | ||
| Is this, is this you saying like, I'm ready for war or is it you in a hypothetical scenario where they're telling you you're being attacked? | ||
| Like, what is this? | ||
| Yeah, that's exactly what it is. | ||
| So what, what had happened was I was pretty angry that You know, two weeks prior to me actually getting arrested, I kept getting harassed by police. | ||
| Like they were making up reasons to pull me over, you know, and they pulled me over and, uh, for just like a, a bullcrap reason, you know, and at the time it's like, I'm trying to pay my bills and stuff. | ||
| So now I got to like, Oh, like two, $300 for this ticket. | ||
| So I'm, I'm very frustrated and, and, and my philosophy, you know, Uh, if you were to engage in the same behaviors that police do on the road, like, why don't you go ahead and try to pull someone over and start rummaging through their stuff and then charge them a bunch of money and see how that goes. | ||
| They're going to think you're trying to rob them. | ||
| Right. | ||
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So, and, and right, right. | |
| So, you know, after getting robbed, I was like, you know, frustrated. | ||
| And I was saying like, look, people that engage in this behavior, this is theft. | ||
| This is robbery. | ||
| And look, if this all goes down, I'm going to defend myself. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| If these guys, if tyranny happens, I'm going to defend myself with my firearms and I'm not going to allow anyone to take my rights. | ||
| So, man, I'm losing my voice now. | ||
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All of a sudden, I don't know where, but we'll try to get through it. | |
| You get acquitted. | ||
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And let's, I want to start there and then we'll go back and talk a lot more about the trial. | |
| But what was that like? | ||
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I mean, the jury heard the story and it just was not credible. | |
| The evidence didn't back it up. | ||
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What was the jury like and how did they ultimately decide you didn't do anything wrong? | |
| Yeah, so this jury was very interesting because the entire time, you know, you're trying to gauge expressions of these individuals and you're trying to figure out like, When something is said, what was their reaction to it? | ||
| Or if they're on your side and, and they were pretty stone face, you know, they were pretty good at not showing expression. | ||
| And I think my attorney, Mike Hills did a very great job of, you know, showing the truth and showing that, look, my client never agreed to do anything, whether or not you agree or disagree with my client's statements about police or about the government. | ||
| Frankly, he said, I don't agree with him, but that has nothing to do with the charge. | ||
| He's being charged for conspiring to kidnap the governor, right? | ||
| And he says nothing about her, you know, he, he doesn't, he doesn't go to her house. | ||
| He doesn't, you know, say, let's get her. | ||
| He never agrees with anyone to do anything like that. | ||
| You just have him saying offensive statements and then have him running through a shoot house with a short barrel rifle and then say, well, you should convict this guy because he doesn't like the police. | ||
| How long was the trial? | ||
| It was a month. | ||
| And then they, I think it was really big news when this came out because we started getting more and more details that this plot seemed entirely fabricated. | ||
| Then your acquittal and I believe Harris, Daniel Harris, was also acquitted. | ||
| Was that similar in his case? | ||
| I don't know if you know or Christina. | ||
| It was similar. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Daniel didn't agree to kidnap either. | ||
| In fact, he'd said statements to the contrary, right? | ||
| He had said things like, you know, we're not black bagging politicians and stuff like that. | ||
| Like, yeah. | ||
| So he had said the opposite. | ||
| There was no agreement on his part for any kind of kidnapping. | ||
| And with Brandon, one of the other things that happened is They early on pressured Ty Garbin to take a plea deal. | ||
| And that was like right after you guys got arrested. | ||
| You guys got arrested October, 2020, I think January, 2021, he took a plea deal and his lawyer-- - Right before the election. - Yeah, his lawyer used to work for the FBI. | ||
| So that's kind of interesting also. | ||
| But once they had, you know, they had to have somebody to say that there was a conspiracy 'cause they couldn't prove it on their own. | ||
| There's no evidence. | ||
| There's nothing of these guys on audio of the thousands of hours of video audio they have of anybody conspiring to kidnap anybody. | ||
| And then you need to show a criminal enterprise. | ||
| If you're saying people are conspiring to carry out like this act, show acts in furtherance of that conspiracy. | ||
| show where they're like stockpiling ammunition or making large purchases for firearms or whatever. | ||
| They don't have that. | ||
| So they have to have somebody take a plea deal and say, yes, this happened. | ||
| And they pressured another guy, Caleb Franks, into taking a plea right before you guys went to trial like a month before. | ||
| And he'd been fighting it prior to that. | ||
| But yeah, once they have people taking plea deals, they had these guys up on the stand and they said that you were there one day where you were actually at work and your lawyer was able to show that They said that there was this secret meeting that at one of these government-sponsored field training exercises, or FTXs, that they said that | ||
| A group of them went off somewhere separate from everybody else to have this like private conversation where there just so happened to be no informant there that could record it, where everything else is being recorded by like five or six different people. | ||
| So we just have to take these two guys' word for it that took the plea deal. | ||
| This conversation happened. | ||
| He says, Brandon's there. | ||
| He's nodding in agreement. | ||
| Brandon's at work that day. | ||
| And you were able to prove this? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah, he pulled up my work record and everything and said, wait a second, this day he was at work right there. | ||
| So how could he be at this meeting? | ||
| They're lying. | ||
| Lying. | ||
| You know, this sounds like... Now, you know, I wanted to make sure we get out the... You are acquitted of all charges. | ||
| You are innocent. | ||
| You were innocent the whole time. | ||
| You were never proven guilty. | ||
| Like, innocent until proven... They still lock you up for a year and a half. | ||
| They still run in the press that you are this guy, that you did these things, even though The Feds had to have known that was fake. | ||
| I mean, this guy is giving false statements. | ||
| If you've got proof you weren't there and he says you were there, these are lies to try and jam you up, to lock you up, to destroy your life. | ||
| This sounds like the FBI scripted the whole thing in advance. | ||
| The majority of the people involved are either informants or actual agents. | ||
| It sounds like they knew what they were doing before it all began and they said, we need patsies so we can create a fake circumstance to manipulate and steal an election. | ||
| That's exactly what happened. | ||
| In my investigation into this, what I've looked at through the documents from the discovery and everything is that absolutely there were certain people involved that were under surveillance online for years, like Barry Croft. | ||
| He first came up on the FBI's radar in 2017 for things he was saying online. | ||
| Anti-government sentiment, they call it now, or whatever. | ||
| And they have these informants that are undercover online. | ||
| They have undercover agents who operate numerous identities online. | ||
| They call them online covert employees. | ||
| They're actually FBI agents. | ||
| So one of these undercover feds, who I think they ended up introducing into the group, he's posing as just a regular guy online, like a militia guy, using the name Mark Woods. | ||
| That's not his real name. | ||
| His real name is Special Agent Mark Schwers, and he should be very ashamed of himself for what he did in this case. | ||
| Or he should be criminally prosecuted. | ||
| He should be, along with Timothy Bates, who was UCE Red, who posed as a explosives expert towards the end when they needed to get these guys on something, but, um... | ||
| Yeah, they planned the entire thing. | ||
| They were monitoring these guys. | ||
| They give their informants access to a database. | ||
| This was interesting, and this is in their file for one of their informants, who happens to be, by the way, a 20-year felon who has fraud charges and pedophilia charges, which, by the way, the FBI kept out of their own paperwork. | ||
| That had to be independently verified, so they don't even put that in their file when discussing his lengthy criminal record. | ||
| And yeah, this is the kind of people that they're using as informants. | ||
| They give him access to a database of Americans they want to target. | ||
| So we have to ask the question, why does the FBI have a database of Americans they want to target? | ||
| What's the criteria for being put in that database? | ||
| Is it being run through social media? | ||
| Is that why they have all of these agents undercover there? | ||
| The FBI created Pro 2A groups, like pages for militias that didn't exist. | ||
| And they scripted the whole thing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They knew in advance they wanted to do. | ||
| It sounds like the real plotters are the FBI, the FBI agents in particular. | ||
| And man, I hope, you know, I'll be a little partisan in this one. | ||
| I hope Donald Trump gets elected and then criminally prosecutes all of these people. | ||
| That should happen, yeah. | ||
| These informants are, you know, no one really is auditing this program, the informant program. | ||
| We know the FBI spends like $530 million on it a year, but there's no oversight, there's no transparency. | ||
| Some of these informants, they're just there kind of like as sleeper cells, they get activated when needed. | ||
| So a lot of these guys, they're targeted that way. | ||
| The FBI finds people who are saying things online that are like, oh, yeah, like this is someone that will make a good pass here for Brandon. | ||
| He's got tattoos. | ||
| He's got gauged ears. | ||
| He likes heavy metal music. | ||
| They're like, oh, this is the kind we want this guy to be. | ||
| You know, front and center. | ||
| So they look for people like that, and then they have so much data about you online, and they'll have their informants and their agents reach out to people online and spark friendships with them. | ||
| So Barry, for example, he had informants reaching out to him in 2019, 2020, befriending him online, pretending that they knew one of his friends who died and was going to attend the funeral, and they kind of | ||
| Met up with him that way and so they're driving this thing before they're introducing these guys to each other the co-defendants They don't even know each other the FBI informants Introduce them to one another and bring people together and we're talking about months and months of surveillance against someone six months seven months eight months With no criminality happening and they're still continuing to use taxpayer dollars Fourth Amendment violation, right? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Maybe I'm jumping the gun on this one, but are there any plans for civil lawsuits, civil litigation? | ||
| Honestly, yeah, for me, absolutely. | ||
| You know, one thing we're a little bit concerned about is just the qualified immunity thing, right? | ||
| A lot of times qualified immunity is very broad and they can get away with like a lot of stuff, you know, but my particular thing is I absolutely believe that my case could be won because number one, The defense was we did an entrapment defense with no agreement. | ||
| The fact that I was acquitted by a jury shows that the government attempted to entrap me. | ||
| Yeah, malicious prosecution. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they attempted to entrap me, which is illegal for them to do, and they engaged in the criminal activity. | ||
| So because of that, I just need to find the right attorney who's willing to go up against him. | ||
| I think they're out there. | ||
| Do you believe that this whole fiasco did influence the election in Michigan? | ||
| 100%, absolutely, because it gained sympathy for Gretchen Whitmer as well because of the hard tyranny that she brought down on Michigan with all these super strict lockdowns. | ||
| You couldn't buy seeds, you couldn't go gardening, you know what I mean? | ||
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She was that barber, or a barber got something or something like that. | |
| Yeah, the barber, you couldn't get your hair cut, all that stuff, and people were, the people of Michigan, you know, are not They may be a little bit, you know, they're lefty and it's like some of those cities like Detroit and stuff, but the majority of Michigan is not down with lockdowns and stuff like that. | ||
| So in the jab or whatever, but. | ||
| Yeah, people were angry about that and it was a good way to influence the election. | ||
| They arrested us in October. | ||
| In October, surprise! | ||
| The FBI has been known to do that and it gained sympathy for her and said, oh look, I'm a victim. | ||
| These dangerous white supremacist militia guys were trying to attack me and put me in jail and all this stuff. | ||
| Feel sorry for me. | ||
| I think things are going to get bad. | ||
| You know, I've talked about it quite a bit. | ||
| I think we're watching it. | ||
| And your story is a component in what I often talk about, a looming civil war or something like that. | ||
| I just recently talked about this because with the arrest of Donald Trump, we are in, once again, uncharted territory, but I say once again because it keeps happening. | ||
| And so, we're at the point where the sitting president's administration has arrested their main political rival. | ||
| Never before in American history, but something we see in banana republics, something we see in pre-revolution or pre-civil war. | ||
| And so, I put a segment together where I went back to 2017. | ||
| An article in the New Yorker that said, are we headed towards a civil war? | ||
| And this is because of Charlottesville. | ||
| They talked to a national security expert who said he believed there was a, I think he said 60 some odd percent chance that in the next 10 years there will be a civil war in this country. | ||
| And the writer, and this is New York, this is a liberal publication. | ||
| Said that she spoke with several, I believe it was a woman, spoke with several national security experts who put the range between 5% and 95% likelihood based on what we were seeing in the United States at the time in 2017 and what they had seen around the world. | ||
| The similarities were so shocking that the consensus among the experts was around a 35% chance in the next 10 years, and this is from 2017, that there would be some kind of civil war in the United States. | ||
| The way I often frame it is, If I went back to you in 2017 and told you that a man with a communist Black Lives Matter tattoo on his neck would put two bullets in the chest of a conservative in the middle of the streets in Portland, you wouldn't believe me. | ||
| You'd say, what? | ||
| That sounds crazy. | ||
| If I would have said that the media would run numerous reports about a group of men, militiamen, who are trying to kidnap a governor to overthrow the government, you'd say that would never happen. | ||
| If I then went out and said, it turns out the story was a hoax fabricated by the Feds to manipulate an election, you'd start laughing your ass off saying, now you've gone nuts. | ||
| If I would have said on January 6th, hundreds of Trump supporters would fight with cops in the front of the Capitol and storm their way in the building, while several hundred others made their way, you know, unknowingly through the back, and they called this an insurrection, you'd start laughing and saying, bro, you should write a movie, it's not possible. | ||
| Every time something happens, I'll often say like, It's escalated, you know it things seem to be getting worse. | ||
| I want to I want to just clarify real quick. | ||
| I don't think it's apocalyptic I just think we are gonna have this tumultuous period Which I believe ultimately things are going to improve and I think there are they are improving But it's fascinating to me that you know, I go back to 2017. | ||
| I Make a video about this. | ||
| I'm talking because of what happened in Charlottesville and I Everyone I know, left and right, say, you're crazy. | ||
| This is a clickbait article. | ||
| The New Yorkers just put out clickbait because it's shock content. | ||
| It's going to make them money. | ||
| And I said that I think the political conflict we are seeing between these factions in the streets is going to escalate. | ||
| Antifa and BLM will go out and fight. | ||
| Conservative groups, Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer, whatever it's going to be, are going to fight back. | ||
| Democrats are then going to step up and say, hey, this is an opportunity for me to promote my political campaign, utilizing this shock content, which will then spread the ideology and the division, and it will ultimately reach higher and higher levels of government. | ||
| I said that to a group of people in 2017, 2018, 2019, and they kept telling me I was crazy and I was wrong because the government would never allow something like this to happen. | ||
| We have now gotten to the point where the sitting president has had his main political rival arrested in an attempt to put him in prison for the rest of his life. | ||
| Clearly political. | ||
| The Hillary Clinton camp smashed phones and destroyed public records, smashed phones with hammers, used open source purging software to wipe public records. | ||
| All criminal. | ||
| And we say, oh, but we're not going to prosecute it because it's too far beyond or whatever. | ||
| And we say, fine. | ||
| But then they go after Trump in this way. | ||
| So my attitude is, you know, I don't think it matters whether or not you think your side is right, your side is wrong, whether you're left or right. | ||
| Certainly believe you're right if you think you're right. | ||
| I think I'm right, right? | ||
| You guys probably think you're right. | ||
| What matters is the conflict is happening. | ||
| And so the reason I bring this up is in your case. | ||
| As I mentioned, if in 2017, you were to go to someone and say, October 2020, the feds will announce a militia was plotting a conspiracy to kidnap a governor. | ||
| Several of these men will be arrested and charged, two will plead guilty. | ||
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You'd laugh your ass off and say, shut up, you're crazy. | |
| We're three years beyond this. | ||
| Three years beyond this. | ||
| Of course you were acquitted, it was a hoax. | ||
| The fact that the initial story was, Men try to kidnap governor or plot was shocking enough. | ||
| I think it's 10 times as shocking now that FBI stages hoax to manipulate election. | ||
| It's one thing if a group of random guys get together and come up with a crazy idea and we say, yeah, they're crazy people out of 330 million people, you're going to find some crazies. | ||
| But then when you find out federal law enforcement subverted actually did provably true. | ||
| Our elections. | ||
| Intentionally. | ||
| Now we're talking about the highest levels of government engaging in active conflict against the American people. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's how I see it. | ||
| That's exactly right. | ||
| Scary times. | ||
| You can look throughout the text messages of the agents and their informants where they are saying, like, they're telling people we want to maximize attendance at this event. | ||
| Bring, you know, try to invite this person and that person. | ||
| So some of the things that they've tried to use to say that this was a real plot, this actually happened, is They talk about this, the recon of her vacation cottage. | ||
| They say, oh, these guys went and they drove past her vacation cottage because they actually wanted to do something. | ||
| They were planning something. | ||
| Well, you can look in the Discovery and look at the text messages. | ||
| The FBI agent has planned the first ride along. | ||
| He's saying, invite this person, try to invite that person, do this and that. | ||
| In the vehicles, it's, uh, FBI paid for vehicles. | ||
| They pick everybody up. | ||
| They're the ones driving the vehicles. | ||
| You've got the informant, the main informant, Dan Chappell, driving. | ||
| Sitting next to him is undercover agent Red, a.k.a. | ||
| Timothy Bates, who says something like, where we going, fellas, or whatever. | ||
| And Barry is in the backseat, I think with Adam, and Barry says, destination unknown. | ||
| He doesn't know where they're going. | ||
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| But this is how they plan these ride-alongs. | ||
| So Barry was invited to the night recon. | ||
| Night recon, or ride-along, to her vacation cottage. | ||
| Now, Barry's told at one of these field training exercises he's invited to that they're going to be doing land navigation training as part of their militia training. | ||
| Barry is a 40-something-year-old truck driver from Delaware with three daughters that he's raising by himself, by the way. | ||
| He's got a fiance who suffered a traumatic brain injury that he's dealing with. | ||
| So he's driving around the country, though. | ||
| He's attending these FTXs because he wants to be able to defend his family if something happens. | ||
| And yeah, they tell him, we're going to be doing land navigation training and night vision training. | ||
| And then he gets invited. | ||
| He doesn't know where he's going. | ||
| The FBI drives these guys by Whitmer's Vacation Cottage. | ||
| Prior to that, they've installed a pole cam on her property. | ||
| A poll cam has like a, what is it, the night vision video because they want to be able to pick up this vehicle driving down because they wanted to show this to the jury to say, look, they were casing the place because they really wanted to do it. | ||
| Actually, real quick, that night that they went on that, they never went by her house. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yes, because the leaders of the group, right, they never had the address. | ||
| You know who did have the address? | ||
| The feds did. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| Jason Chambers. | ||
| said, oh, they don't got the address, sent the main informant who was driving the address. | ||
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No way. | |
| Guess what? | ||
| It was one number off. | ||
| No way. | ||
| It was the wrong address. | ||
| He messed up. | ||
| So they drove around aimlessly, never even going to her house at all. | ||
| This is crazy stuff. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And I hate to laugh about it, but it's so ludicrous. | ||
| It is so theatrical and over-the-top the way that they're doing this stuff. | ||
| They are scripting a movie. | ||
| The FBI is literally plotting this out like they're writing a narrative, you know, and they'll cherry pick things to put it together to try to make this over-the-top thing like, oh yeah, these guys were really going to do something. | ||
| So they were able to make a reconstruction of that video, by the way, which means the FBI just created like a theatrical video and they let them play that to a jury. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It never happened! | ||
| Not only did the first ride-along, they didn't even really go in the right place, even though the FBI was the ones driving the vehicle, they do these reconstruction videos and play it to a jury to influence and bias them. | ||
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We know also that- In your jury trial they did? | |
| What? | ||
| They showed the fake video they made? | ||
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| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| They showed that they said this is what they were going to do and how they were going to do it. | ||
| They had they had said, you know, Mr. Caserta right here was, you know, an enforcer, right? | ||
| Like I was going to be like in the vehicle and when you. | ||
| When you go on a trial, the defense attorneys are cross-examining these witnesses, and they're like, okay, so they were gonna go here, and then what, get a boat, and put her on a boat? | ||
| And then who's gonna drive that boat? | ||
| And then wait, so that doesn't make sense. | ||
| So you would need a two-boat system, right? | ||
| And then you just go on, and it's like, there was no plan to do anything at all. | ||
| But they got, what, two people so far to plead guilty? | ||
| Yep, and that's what they do is they threaten with life in prison to these young 20-year-old guys, and they fold and they take a cop and say, you know what? | ||
| I'll lie for you in order to get less time. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Ty Garvin, I think, is already in a halfway house. | ||
| He'll be out soon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The two guys who decide to cooperate against me and Daniel Harris and everybody else, They're already out of jail, and Barry and Adam, who are still completely innocent, are, you know, serving 16, 20 years for something that the FBI did. | ||
| Are you guys religious? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You are? | ||
| Christian? | ||
| Orthodox Christian. | ||
| Are you? | ||
| I'm not religious, but I believe in creation and God. | ||
| Yeah, I'm probably in a similar spot. | ||
| I only bring this up because are you familiar with what the final layer of level of hell is reserved for? | ||
| No, what is that? | ||
| Betrayers, traitors, the disloyal. | ||
| Snitches. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I think the... I fear several things in circumstances like this. | ||
| The malicious evil of these FBI agents. | ||
| We're talking about malevolence that most people do not want to believe exists. | ||
| And then the more so banality of evil in the men who took plea agreements to save themselves knowing they were lying to do it. | ||
| The scary thing is that these guys who pleaded guilty These are guys who presented with the opportunity from the FBI said they would rather burn down this country than risk any harm to themselves. | ||
| And that's a terrifying thought that people like that exist because we know that evil exists and we know that goodness can stand against it. | ||
| We know there's a possibility that if we if we We do this right, and come 2024, maybe not Donald Trump, but if we do get real and effective leaders, we might see justice brought to these malevolently evil FBI agents. | ||
| But when you realize that so many of the people in this world are like those who pleaded guilty and then lied to try and destroy your life, there's a lot of complacence. | ||
| How about they get promoted? | ||
| These agents get promoted and rewarded for this stuff, and I think that people see that, you know? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| So, you mentioned they're malevolent, they're malicious, these agents. | ||
| I don't think people really understand that. | ||
| I want to talk about Richard Trask. | ||
| Richard Trask was the Bureau's public face for this case. | ||
| He was the guy that wrote your criminal complaint. | ||
| He signed off on it. | ||
| He was at your preliminary hearing, right? | ||
| Testified. | ||
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| He was their star agent, right? | ||
| This man is disgusting. | ||
| He attends a swingers party in Kalamazoo with his wife, and he, when they get home, there's an argument about Whoa. | ||
| the party and he tries to kill her. | ||
| And you can see the body cam footage. | ||
| I encourage everybody to watch it. | ||
| Richard J. Trask, look at his arrest footage. | ||
| He tries to kill his wife. | ||
| He bashes her head against the nightstand numerous times. | ||
| He gets on top of her and he tries to strangle her. | ||
| There's blood all over the sheets. | ||
| It's on the body cam footage. | ||
| You can see it. | ||
| The police are saying to each other, like this guy's counterterrorism. | ||
| He's probably armed. | ||
| He is. | ||
| He knows law enforcement tactics. | ||
| So they're scared. | ||
| The police are saying, don't turn off any of your cameras or your recordings. | ||
| They caught. | ||
| He he fled the scene intoxicated in her vehicle, by the way. | ||
| So they're calling before or after. | ||
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This is before or after. | |
| This is after we're already in jail. | ||
| I'm already in jail. | ||
| He's in jail. | ||
| This is while this guy's trying this case. | ||
| He just testified at your preliminary hearing. | ||
| None of you guys committed any act of violence. | ||
| They say you conspired to. | ||
| This is a man, and there's a, I will say, there's a correlation with domestic violence and law enforcement. | ||
| There seems to be something there. | ||
| So Richard Trask, this federal agent, tries to murder his wife, flees the scene intoxicated in her vehicle, and then the police call him and they negotiate him to turn himself in. | ||
| They meet him at a parking lot. | ||
| He's in his underpants, he's got blood on his face, blood on his chest, and they open the door and they say, like, you need to get out of the vehicle. | ||
| He goes, what's this about? | ||
| He's covered in blood, acts like he doesn't know what's going on. | ||
| By the way, he went to court after that. | ||
| He still has his guns. | ||
| He still has his firearms. | ||
| He's not in the FBI. | ||
| The FBI fired him, but yeah, he's still... They didn't try to hit him. | ||
| Did this play a role in your trial? | ||
| Well, you know, it did, but it didn't, right? | ||
| I think there were some articles that came out from BuzzFeed about it, so it helped as far as... I think I remember this. | ||
| But the jury didn't get to hear about it. | ||
| That's what makes me angry about it. | ||
| The jury didn't get to hear about it, but for me, like spiritually, right? | ||
| When we're talking about God and we're talking about spirituality and stuff, It was a sign of hope to me that it's like, I knew these guys were like that, you know, and if they're doing shit like this and getting caught up, you know, the truth is going to come out and they're going to get exposed. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| It is crazy to me. | ||
| You know what I think about this stuff? | ||
| We don't, we don't need. | ||
| Conflict we don't want conflict. | ||
| We don't want violence right all that needed to happen in this case was for these two guys Before who pleaded guilty they needed to say I will not violate my integrity my honor by lying for you to hurt someone else and And I guess, I don't know for sure, but I'll ask you, would the feds have had any case at all if these two guys did not plead? | ||
| No. | ||
| None? | ||
| None. | ||
| And so it's only because these two cowards were willing to lie for the feds to save their own asses that we've come this far. | ||
| Yeah, and I will say too, the court system is, they protect themselves from seeing the information. | ||
| So the lawyers tried to get in exculpatory statements, out-of-court statements, basically things that were picked up on the wire while they had all these different informants driving these guys around the country to various excursions, FBI-sponsored field training exercises, whatever. | ||
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They're driving them around and, sorry I lost my train of thought, They're driving around these two guys who pleaded guilty who had lied. | |
| I forgot what I was, I'm sorry. | ||
| What they do is they make up scenarios and they're like, hey, let's do land navigation, right? | ||
| And you have text messages of the FBI agents texting the informants like, hey, you know what? | ||
| Let's try land navigation today. | ||
| Um, you know, such and such is at work. | ||
| Why don't you try to hit up this person and that person, see if they're available, you know, we'll pick them up in the, in the vehicle, you know, take them out to eat, do whatever and say, Hey, let's do some land navigation. | ||
| And then, you know, like what they did to Adam Fox is. | ||
| They pick them up and say, they want to go to land navigation and then they drive hours up North and Michigan and they just go drive by like the mansion, the vacation mansion or whatever. | ||
| And then say... And then lie. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then say, yeah, he wanted to do that. | ||
| They give him a pen and a piece of paper and say, hey, here, why don't you draw a map of the area? | ||
| No, they drew that. | ||
| They sent him pictures. | ||
| The FBI agents sent him pictures. | ||
| This agent, Lauren Hastings, who was posing as a woman named Elise Marie, which was the girlfriend of another agent that was posing as somebody else online. | ||
| They sent him the FBI took pictures of Mackinac Island and they wrote markings on them and then they sent them to him in Facebook and then the government use that against him and they said oh look he he got these pictures together for Mackinac Island and he was showing people this because he wanted to go drive by her house or whatever they did stuff like this all the time though like You had these informants telling some of the targets of their investigation, oh, I've been banned on Facebook. | ||
| I want you to throw this out there. | ||
| You've got a platform still. | ||
| I want you to say this about this governor or, you know, say this, just throw it out there and see what people say. | ||
| They do things like that. | ||
| And then they'll use those posts against them later to say, oh, look, in, you know, February of 2020, he's complaining about a governor on Facebook. | ||
| And it's like, Well, in February of 2020, you had informants, multiple informants, that were working him and manipulating him and telling him to do these things. | ||
| And, technically, their investigation doesn't start until March of 2020. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So why are these informants in contact with people before? | ||
| Have there been any convictions? | ||
| Yeah, so there's, you know, our trial was the main one. | ||
| Six of us charged federally. | ||
| That was the first trial. | ||
| I was acquitted on that on my birthday, by the way, which was absolutely amazing. | ||
| Best birthday present ever. | ||
| I mean, you shouldn't have been locked up in the first place, but hey, at the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So me and Dan were acquitted on that one. | ||
| There was a mistrial for Adam Fox and Barry Croft. | ||
| Now we have the other two guys. | ||
| And then after the mistrial, there's another trial and they got them. | ||
| There's a retrial for Adam and Barry. | ||
| And then they had a state case. | ||
| So what they did was they arrested us six guys. | ||
| And then said that essentially it was this whole group, the Wolverine Watchmen, right? | ||
| And then we were like the leaders and the enforcers. | ||
| But how they criminally prosecute is something I've never really seen before because they take one group because they know they don't have a case, right? | ||
| They got to separate it. | ||
| So they get one federal case and then they separate, oh, two other state cases. | ||
| And so far the three other guys in the state cases, they all got convicted. | ||
| What happened with that? | ||
| Wasn't it that certain evidence wasn't allowed to be admitted? | ||
| They were charged with providing material support for terrorism which was like they let somebody use their property for training or they taught somebody how to tie a tourniquet or whatever and they're now saying that's like aiding and abetting a terrorist. | ||
| So what Michigan has very unique anti-terrorism laws that were passed in 2002 in the wake of 9-11 that have enhancements for like aiding and abetting. | ||
| So if you were like an American citizen and you were like assisting Al-Qaeda and then an Al-Qaeda Terrorists committed an act of terrorism. | ||
| They're basically saying if you aided and abetted them You can be charged with the same thing and you'd be punished to the same extent as them So they had this aiding and abetting thing for that that they used on these guys for providing material support They said they were aiding and abetting And then as soon as they get the plea agreements, they now have the legal standard of, this proves it, therefore anybody who gave them anything, that proves that. | ||
| I remember what I was trying to say. | ||
| It's a complex, I'm sorry, and it's kind of goofy the way he said they had this thing and then they broke it up. | ||
| So they broke it up into the federal case and then the two state cases. | ||
| They needed the guys in the federal case, those two that took the plea deal, to take the plea deal because they needed those convictions so that in the state cases you can't provide material support for a tea act if it didn't happen and there is no conspiracy. | ||
| So to get those guys in the state cases they first had to get you all in the federal case or at least get somebody to take a plea deal and say there was a conspiracy. | ||
| Yeah, and the providing material support, what they were claiming it was, was... | ||
| You know, second amendment protected activity, right? | ||
| So like you got a group of dudes, they like shooting guns and you say, Hey, why don't you come over to my property? | ||
| We'll shoot a little bit. | ||
| And then if those guys, you know, six months later get arrested by the FBI, say, well, Oh, well you were providing material support for these guys. | ||
| You let them on your property. | ||
| You shot guns with them. | ||
| You helped them successfully try to implement this plot. | ||
| They said they were running a terrorist training camp, and it's like, wait, you mean the FBI was? | ||
| Like, these are the FBI-sponsored field training exercises, the FBI's running the militia group, you know, the Wolverine Watchmen group that he's talking about. | ||
| They're a small militia group in michigan mostly online it had like 15 members or something it's founded in 2019 by two guys joe morrison and pete musico and the fbi takes over almost immediately their informant becomes a second in command and then they say all these other guys that were not members of this militia group that just kind of knew these guys they said that they were members and they put together this map with like 45 people and they tried to say it was a gang | ||
| that's the other thing they're now they have had gang charges for some of the guys that provided material support the state case they've given them gang charges so they're now trying to basically say militias are violent gangs because law enforcement can create task forces to go after gangs and they can work with the feds for that so i thought that was a very interesting aspect of this They want to talk about providing material support, right? | ||
| But what do the feds do the entire time the feds are giving their informants these gigantic credit cards and telling everyone, hey, why don't you go buy a 50 cal rifle? | ||
| Or, hey, why don't you go buy like a bunch of ammunition and a bunch of gear? | ||
| And people are like, oh, no, I'm good. | ||
| I'll just use my own money. | ||
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| So they never, no one ever even took the bait on that. | ||
| Yeah, the credit cards was for a charity that the informant that was a pedo was running called Race to Unite Races, and he had these credit cards. | ||
| They were like $5,000 credit cards, or that's what these guys were being told, and they were kind of shoving that towards them at the end because they wanted to wrap this up before the election, but nobody had done anything. | ||
| And in their text messages, the FBI agents are saying to each other and the informants in like May of 2020, These guys have no plan, they're wasting my time. | ||
| In September of 2020, the FBI admits that there's no plan and that's why they have to introduce the undercover agent Red to pose as an explosives expert to try to get these guys to put down a down payment for like a C4 or something, some kind of explosive that could take out a bridge or whatever. | ||
| Nobody bought, nobody gave this guy money for the explosives, but this is the like what they're doing, the FBI, to try to fabricate this and make it look like there was something so they could arrest these guys right before the election. | ||
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| I wonder, I can only assume, more things like this are still happening. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So what's weird is it seems like this case is springs out of like a bigger operation that it looks like the FBI was involved in going back to 2018 and 19 where it seemed like they were interested in infiltrating the Midwest militia movement. | ||
| They created a fake militia group called the Midwest Coalition through one of their informants. | ||
| The informants in this case, a lot of them were posing as heads of the state chapters of a fake militia group that the FBI completely fabricated called the Patriot Three Percenters. | ||
| It didn't exist. | ||
| Steve Robeson, an informant, was posing as the head of the Wisconsin chapter. | ||
| Jenny Plunk, another informant, was posing as the head of the Tennessee chapter. | ||
| They inducted Adam Fox, who the government called the ringleader of this, the homeless man living in the basement of the back shack that had no running water. | ||
| Yeah, they inducted him to make him the head of the Michigan chapter of, again, a fake militia group. | ||
| So, man, thinking about all this, plus, you know, we're now entering this new election cycle. | ||
| Things starting to ramp up already. | ||
| My concern is where this country goes. | ||
| If we've seen that there are criminal elements of the federal government that are never held accountable, are willing to engage in the most vile and maliciously evil behavior to win power. | ||
| I can only imagine what's going to happen in 2024 with the depravity of these individuals. | ||
| And, you know, there's a lot of concerns about the 2020 election. | ||
| You know, Donald Trump obviously says that it was stolen from and all those things. | ||
| What I see there is the manipulation of state-level government for things like universal mail-in voting. | ||
| But what we see with this story, with your story, is direct... You know, I'll put it this way. | ||
| I don't think they care if you got convicted or not. | ||
| I really don't think so. | ||
| I don't think they care if any of them did. | ||
| They did need at least one plea agreement, so they can start the whole thing. | ||
| But I think the only thing they really cared about was getting the October Surprise. | ||
| After that, operation complete. | ||
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| How well did the PSYOP work? | ||
| I'd imagine as soon as they got the AP to report the arrest, they said they popped the champagne, dropped a mission accomplished, and said, Well, they did, too, because one of the lead FBI guys for the Detroit field office, Anthony Duantano, Stephen Duantano, he was I have to talk about that real quick, if you don't mind. | ||
| office who to over he wound up overseeing the january 6 stuff and he oversaw my case and situation i have to talk about that real quick uh if you don't mind so um one of the aspects of his case is that during the lockdowns in 2020 there were anti-lockdown rallies in lansing in michigan and it was everybody showed up for this left right whatever People didn't want the state lockdown, they wanted to make money, so they showed up to this protest. | ||
| The watchmen are there, some of them, and the informants, you know, the informant Big Dan's wearing his wire, he's with the group. | ||
| The FBI has agents stationed all around the Capitol at Lansing while this lockdown protest is happening. | ||
| They've got agents listening in, watching it in real time. | ||
| This guy, the informant Dan, says on his wire, these guys, I think they're getting ready to do something. | ||
| And all they were doing was standing there. | ||
| They had their guns on, and like their plate carriers, and they just, they're looking scary, you know, at this rally. | ||
| But there's tons of people there. | ||
| So the FBI, listening in to their informant, calls the Lansing Capitol Police and tells them, we want you to stand down, open the doors, and let everybody in. | ||
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Whoa, what? | |
| This was April 30th, 2020. | ||
| Look it up, you'll see pictures of the Wolverine Watchmen in it. | ||
| This is like a trial balloon for January 6th. | ||
| Right, Michigan State Capitol. | ||
| So this was the trial run for January 6th, all oversaw by the Detroit Field Office. | ||
| So they'd say, open the doors, let everybody in. | ||
| Now the guys in the Wolverine Watchmen that are there that day, they stand in line peacefully. | ||
| They go through COVID screening. | ||
| They go inside, they occupy the building for like four hours, and then they leave peacefully. | ||
| But the media the next day runs with the pictures of these guys in there and the narrative of like right wing white supremacist militia group storming capitals. | ||
| And so the gentleman who was overseeing the Detroit field office at that time, special agent Stephen Duantuono, he is promoted one week after you guys get arrested, October 7th, 2020. | ||
| He is promoted October 13th, 2020 by Christopher Wray himself to be the assistant director of the Washington, D.C., field office. | ||
| And he is there. | ||
| He's working that day on January 6, overseeing another incidental storming of the Capitol that we now know had FBI informants present in groups like the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and just there in general. | ||
| We now know there were undercover Metropolitan Police Department people. | ||
| They're on camera telling people they're dressed like Trump voters. | ||
| They're on camera telling people, move forward, move forward. | ||
| We know that now. | ||
| Questions about reps? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So D'Antuono is overseeing all of this on January 6th. | ||
| He then retires right before Republicans take over and they have the weaponization committee and they start looking into this stuff. | ||
| Conveniently, DeAntonio's retired, he now works for a consulting firm, but he's now being celebrated by Republicans because he said the obvious about the Mar-a-Lago raid. | ||
| He said it was politically motivated. | ||
| Well, sir, like, has everything you've done the past five years been politically motivated? | ||
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Yeah, maybe he's hedging his bets in case Donald Trump gets elected. | |
| I think that's exactly what he's doing. | ||
| And the Republicans on the Weaponization Committee, they had this guy there. | ||
| They got him to answer questions about the pipe bomber on January 6th and the Mar-a-Lago raid. | ||
| They don't ask him anything about anything else related to January 6th. | ||
| They don't ask him about the Whitmer case. | ||
| It's amazing to me. | ||
| So I would suggest they need to bring him back in and ask him questions. | ||
| Yeah, maybe we're just looking at a whole lot of controlled opposition. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Another interesting aspect of this is one of the lead handling agents on the case, Honric Impala. | ||
| He was accused of perjury by a US attorney, a former attorney, Brian P. Lennon, in committing perjury in a prior case involving informants. | ||
| He was basically accused of gross misconduct by a US attorney who For whatever reason, felt like his conduct was bad enough that he needed to alert Duantuono in February of 2020, warning, saying this guy, this agent needs to be, he recommended he be turned over to the FBI's OPR, Internal Affairs Division, for an investigation. | ||
| He sends that letter to Duantuono and to Stuart Platt, the assistant director of the FBI, warning them about this agent. | ||
| This is February 2020. | ||
| One month later, he's a lead handling agent in the Whitmer case. | ||
| So it's like he also got promoted. | ||
| They were warned about him. | ||
| They knew. | ||
| As far as I know, there's been no investigation into that. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| They're now criminally charging the former president federally. | ||
| They indicted him in New York. | ||
| They indicted him in federal court in Miami, arrested and arraigned. | ||
| And now Georgia's planning to do the same thing. | ||
| It feels like this country is on the verge of imploding. | ||
| It feels like they want that to happen, though. | ||
| I think they're trying to instigate that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if we remember back then, too, they tried to say that We like we were Trump's henchmen at first. | ||
| They were trying to say that we were working for Trump and Trump hired us to go get Gretchen because if we remember back then Trump and Gretchen had that beef where you know Trump was calling her out or not giving her enough money or something like that. | ||
| And so the government, along with the disgusting corporate media, decided to say, oh, these were all Trump supporters and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Well, then a video of me leaks out where I'm like criticizing Trump, you know, because of the bump stock stuff and stuff like that. | ||
| And they're like, oh, wait, hold on. | ||
| He has an anarchist flag in the background. | ||
| Wait, he's not a Trump supporter. | ||
| They tried to say I was like Antifa. | ||
| They couldn't put me in the box that they wanted, ultimately. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And that's where they failed about the whole Trump thing. | ||
| No, they tried to do that with the Boogaloo Boys. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the only problem is you have a video of Boogaloo Boys shaking hands with Antifa. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because these guys don't fit the narrative the media was trying to create. | ||
| So they just lie anyway. | ||
| But then you get a viral video where, I can't remember what it was, might have been like SF or something, where Antifa says, you stood with us today. | ||
| We thank you for this. | ||
| And shakes hands with some Boogaloo Boys who are not hardcore right Trump supporting militia guys or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not gonna, you know, presume to know everything about him, but that certainly struck a hole in their narrative. | ||
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| But you mentioned it seems like they're trying to instigate it. | ||
| And I have to wonder, you know, you can't look at what they're doing and The degree of sophistication required to pull off a plot like this, while it's not the smartest thing in the world, it certainly takes some degree of sophistication. | ||
| And I feel like anybody who understands, you know, 1 plus 1 equals 2 in this circumstance knows, everything they're doing leads to social destabilization. | ||
| So perhaps this criminal element in the federal government is trying to destroy this country. | ||
| Sedition? | ||
| The real seditious conspiracy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, the things they accused Trump of, they were all false. | ||
| The protection of Joe Biden after the Burisma scandal. | ||
| Joe Biden admitted on camera to threatening to illegally withhold loan guarantees and no action is taken. | ||
| When Donald Trump says, let's look into this, they impeach him for it. | ||
| So I wonder if I mean the degree to which this nation is captured is intense. | ||
| I wonder if these these criminal elements if they're trying to destroy or destabilize the country or if they're so desperate to stop Donald Trump that they're getting sloppy. | ||
| They're going to the most extreme degree possible. | ||
| Yeah, I think it could be both. | ||
| I mean, they definitely wanted to stabilize because, you know, they can't. | ||
| It's when we look at tyrannies that have happened in history, you know, these things happen kind of slowly over time and they don't just like show up with with guns and just take you out by force. | ||
| This has to be built up. | ||
| So it's a good excuse if you can politically polarize, you know, the entire United States population and get as many people polarize as you can and then start pushing, start aggressing and pushing certain psyops and dynamics where people get mad about this or that. | ||
| And then once something violent happens, whether the feds got to create it or not, it doesn't matter because they can bring order out of that chaos that they And right now, the FBI is creating crime in order to stop crime. | ||
| But you know, they've always done it, right? | ||
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| Historically, the Feds are notorious for providing the materials to their target and then saying, aha, look. | ||
| And it's like if you did not do if you did not do this. | ||
| There would be nothing. | ||
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| You know, some they've done it with Muslims. | ||
| Whenever they try to justify their own existence, now they're doing it to try and steal elections. | ||
| That's a scary thought. | ||
| I'm curious, where do you think this all goes? | ||
| I mean, we're right at the point where the president has had his rival arrested. | ||
| So what happens next? | ||
| I mean, you know, I don't know what is going to happen specifically, but what I do know is that what we can do is... | ||
| Look, organize with people you love and care about. | ||
| Stay close with people and talk to each other about what's going on in the world because we need to pay attention. | ||
| Have some storageable food, you know, get some training with firearms, have some backup water filtration systems, you know, and prepare yourself just in case something happens because you want to put yourself in a position Where you're able to sustain yourself for a long period of time without relying on the state for that. | ||
| And then you want to have a community of like-minded people who understand morality, who understand principles, who understand rights so that you guys can work together to protect yourselves. | ||
| Because, you know, whether the government's coming down on you or not, if a situation like this happens and, and, and whether the dollar collapses or whatever it may be, There's going to be people out there that didn't prepare like you did, and they're going to want to take what you got. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| What is the saying? | ||
| The people who are stockpiling but are unarmed are just storing food for those that are? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We talk about what you should do in the event of a catastrophe and things like this. | ||
| I feel like with everything we've seen with Bud Light, The people are waking up. | ||
| They're starting to realize the media has been lying to them more and more and more. | ||
| They're starting to feel more and more comfortable. | ||
| And so I think what we're likely to see is these criminal elements of government that, I mean, these are discernibly and provably criminal elements. | ||
| Joe Biden admitting on camera that he illegally threatened to withhold loan guarantees. | ||
| I mean, more and more information's coming out. | ||
| So clearly criminal elements, plus the Hunter Biden stuff, come on. | ||
| But the more I see here, I think they're losing. | ||
| I think the things they do with you and others are acts of pure desperation in an attempt to, it's the death throes. | ||
| It is when someone is drowning, they start splashing around violently and crazily. | ||
| And I think that's what we're seeing. | ||
| My prediction is, well, a lot of people are predicting Very, very dark and catastrophic days in the next year or so. | ||
| Yeah, I think you're gonna see a lot of crazy stuff. | ||
| I think you'll probably see rioting from the left. | ||
| They'll try and weaponize that. | ||
| But I ultimately think regular people, we're getting to that point where... It's like that scene in V for Vendetta where the cop shoots the little girl. | ||
| And then finally the people just... It shows them all angrily walking up to the cop and then you can only assume what happens next, but... | ||
| That point where the authority of the officer who's committed the crime no longer matters and people are now standing up for their communities. | ||
| What I mean to say in that regard is, it's going to come a point where the media puts out another lie and then people just say, off. | ||
| I don't believe it. | ||
| They're going to try and sway people, manipulate people, and people are not going to be buying into it. | ||
| They're going to say, I don't want to be involved in that. | ||
| I think it really might come down to Bud Light as this major catalyst. | ||
| It's funny how we can go from like the FBI hoax terror plot to people don't want to buy beer. | ||
| But the not wanting to buy beer thing is significant because what it shows is that people may actually be more scared to be the person buying the beer than to be the person boycotting it. | ||
| And when that cultural shift happens, the machine has collapsed. | ||
| So, you know, I'm hearing stories of prominent personalities who are totally not political going on their shows and being like, I'm not woke, you know, I'm not involved in any of that. | ||
| I'm not like them, I swear. | ||
| Because this machine narrative is becoming perceivably unpopular. | ||
| People are starting to find that, you know, if they're on the other side of things saying, hey, we don't want this stuff, They get more views, they get more traffic, they get more likes. | ||
| And this shift is maybe partially due to Elon Musk buying Twitter. | ||
| It could be a massive cultural tsunami that they could just not control. | ||
| But their attempt at subverting this country and manipulating it, it's ultimately failing. | ||
| So I'm fairly optimistic in that regard. | ||
| You know, I look at your story, actually, the acquittal, and I do think their ultimate goal was just the news story. | ||
| That's what they wanted to manipulate the election. | ||
| They got it. | ||
| But now they can't control the aftermath. | ||
| So it seems like it may be a Pyrrhic victory. | ||
| They probably influenced the election and helped Whitmer get elected. | ||
| It was shocking that we saw these people get reelected. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But then they can't control what happens next. | ||
| And so now it feels like short, short term, you know, maybe as we move forward, things are going to start restabilizing. | ||
| So my prediction right now, as it would seem, is the stuff we're all talking about with the FBI and these manipulations, still happening probably. | ||
| Probably gonna get worse. | ||
| But I think it'll have much, much less of an impact. | ||
| The next time they do a plot like this, I think a lot of people are gonna be like, do you believe this BS? | ||
| I don't believe it anymore. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's ultimately the solution too. | ||
| If enough people understand that it's a lie, no violence needs to happen. | ||
| There doesn't need to be any force required because enough people understand the truth. | ||
| And if they say, you know what, In my mind, like the authority that you claimed you have doesn't exist in my mind anymore. | ||
| Therefore, whatever you're telling me to do, I, you know, I don't believe it. | ||
| It's not legitimate to me. | ||
| January 6th, you know, they, they really, really wanted to hammer that one, but I think it's not working. | ||
| No, that's falling apart. | ||
| I think even, like, normies are questioning January 6th now. | ||
| I think all of their narratives are falling apart, and I think they're very desperate. | ||
| I really do think that this is sort of like, you know, the end of the empire, and like you said, when an animal feels cornered, it lashes out kind of crazily. | ||
| And an interesting thing about their case like that's the purpose of doing a documentary about it to tell the story is I learned so much more about it investigating it myself and doing the documentary talking to these guys personally than I did from any media story and even listening into the trial myself. | ||
| Um, there's so many things you don't know, and to tell that full story, I think a documentary can really reach everybody, and I think it takes something like that to show people that the FBI lies so much, they're not good people, and I think that for Americans, you are, you know, we've been raised with shows like Law & Order, CSI, Americans have this idea that like, lawyers and FBI agents don't lie, or they did for the longest time, right? | ||
| You watch Law & Order, I think actually they did, SVU for instance, did a very good job of showing how evil the law enforcement could be. | ||
| That's true, that's true. | ||
| But I think there's this sort of like, Americans think that if a grand jury returns an indictment, there must be something there, right? | ||
| If a prosecutor says something, they must be telling the truth. | ||
| They don't think that these lawyers or prosecutors, U.S. | ||
| attorneys lie, that there's still this sort of You know, authority and prestige that comes with that. | ||
| That's why they have such a high conviction rate. | ||
| You know, they have like a 99.8% conviction rate that guys like this, when they're being framed, are up against the world's most powerful government. | ||
| Unlimited resources. | ||
| Unlimited resources. | ||
| I think the, um, a local outlet, Wood TV, I think they investigated how much money in your defense lawyers, the FBI spent trying to frame you guys. | ||
| And it was like $6 million. | ||
| They had drones flying over these guys. | ||
| They had planes flying at like 15,000 feet following Barry as he's like driving his truck as a long-haul trucker for almost an entire year before they start introducing him to his co-defendants. | ||
| It's just amazing and I think people really don't understand that but I think seeing it though takes away that power that these people have because once you peel back the curtains and you see it for what it is, you understand that this is not legitimate law enforcement activity. | ||
| There wasn't a crime in motion and an informant just observed and reported back to law enforcement what was happening so they could stop it. | ||
| This was the FBI manufacturing it, planning the whole thing, introducing people to each other that didn't know each other, Staging the theatrical FTXs so they could film them. | ||
| They built the shoot house. | ||
| The FBI built that, not these guys. | ||
| They said they were modeling it after her vacation cottage so they could train and practice taking out her security detail. | ||
| Their informants are picked up on a wire saying, suggesting that you take out her security detail. | ||
| They were the ones that made suggestions of firing some rounds into governors' homes. | ||
| They're the ones that suggested- Which they called that de-escalation. | ||
| They called it a de-escalation tactic. | ||
| Them suggesting these crimes is actually de-escalation somehow. | ||
| They said that we should put Tannerite in different governors' driveways, shoot it and blow it up to send a message and mail the governors the shell casings. | ||
| This is their informant saying that. | ||
| They have another informant who's doing the same thing. | ||
| He's trying to convince a disabled Vietnam veteran from Virginia named Frank Butler that he should kidnap and kill Ralph Northam, recruit a bunch of people in his area to help him carry this out. | ||
| And the FBI informant, Dan Chappell, texts him a recipe to make an explosive from household items like Drano and sugar, and then tells him to double the ingredients. | ||
| This is an elderly Disabled Vietnam veteran that the FBI is trying to coax into doing this stuff. | ||
| It is just malevolent evil. | ||
| It's evil. | ||
| It's wicked malevolent. | ||
| There's the banality of evil and there's the malevolent evil. | ||
| Yeah, they wanted it to be by the way, like a multi-state terror plot. | ||
| They wanted this happening to multiple governor's homes. | ||
| They're just really bad at what they do to be honest. | ||
| I mean, You know, we talk about this story and they may have succeeded with the news reports, but man, they were really bad at it. | ||
| You know, if their end result was a multi-state thing, I'm looking at it a lot and I'm hearing these stories and I'm just like, sending the wrong address? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, come on, man! | ||
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| Texting the plans to each other, to each other, the informants, the agents texting each other. | ||
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Well, let's talk about the questions of why they do it. | |
| Why would they want to subvert and steal elections? | ||
| Why do you think? | ||
| I have a big, larger, worldly picture of this, but I'm curious why you think they did it. | ||
| I think they did it because I think that they want to have control. | ||
| I think they need to have control of the narrative, I think they want to influence things, and I think that they're just evil and wicked and I think they like destroying people, you know? | ||
| And I think that they saw these guys from Michigan, working-class white guys from Detroit, no one's going to care about them. | ||
| That's what they thought. | ||
| Is that how you see it? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I think there's like an apparatus within the government that | ||
| you you can work up and you have these agencies and you know your politicians and your law enforcement and your judges and and whatever but it's almost like there's this like secret evil apparatus within it that's almost kind of like people know about it and if you get in with this person with that person and you uh you know succeed at creating this fake plot or whatever then you start getting promoted so | ||
| Regardless of your position, whether you're, you know, federal law enforcement or a federal prosecutor, you can advance your, everyone has an incentive to advance their careers at the expense of somebody else. | ||
| And ultimately that creates an even bigger conspiracy within the government that, you know, is orchestrating a lot of the things, a lot of the evil that we see in society right now. | ||
| I think my view of it is, as I mentioned, malicious, malintent, and the banality of evil. | ||
| The banality of evil, I would describe as how you're saying, people are advancing their careers, so they're just doing whatever. | ||
| You probably have a lot of people who are just like, all I know is they told me these guys are bad guys, so we gotta stop them, right? | ||
| And then you've got people who are like, yeah, I don't know a whole lot, but man, this is gonna boost my career, one more prosecution, one more arrest, it's gonna look real good, I have a plaque on my wall. | ||
| But in the bigger picture, I think you have the malicious evil emerging out of what they would probably perceive as being good intentions. | ||
| The path to hell is paved with good intentions. | ||
| what is it, what is it, the path, the good intention, the path of good intention. - The path to hell is paved with good intentions. - Right, there you go, the path to hell is paved with good intentions, there you go, got it. | ||
| So here's what I see. | ||
| I see right now around the world, you have many foreign nations saying they're going to be getting off the petrodollar. | ||
| You have Russia and China, you have conflict in Ukraine, Russia trying to take the Donbass, Crimea, etc. | ||
| I mean, Russia's always had Crimea for the most part, but... And now it looks like they're succeeding in controlling it. | ||
| I mean, this narrative that Russia's losing is every single day it comes out, but then you look at the maps of Russian territorial control and they own the Donbass. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| How are you claiming they're losing? | ||
| But I see what they would describe as the liberal economic order. | ||
| Are you familiar with this term? | ||
| The Council on Foreign Relations calls it that. | ||
| Post-World War II. | ||
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| Post-World War II, they said, we want to prevent World War III, so we need to create a liberal economic order, a liberal world order where we have military bases all over, effectively world police. | ||
| And I see within this two things. | ||
| There are elements in the U.S. | ||
| government That are concerned the petrodollar is about to fall. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And if it does, the standard of living of the average American will plummet tenfold. | ||
| We don't make things. | ||
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| We don't make things. | ||
| No, we enforce the world. | ||
| And so you end up with people who work at BuzzFeed writing garbage articles about Brad Pitt's junk, but getting paid $90,000 a year, which makes literally no sense. | ||
| A working class tradesman makes, you know, apprentices make less than that, even though they're actually fixing toilets. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, the reality is we print the money, we control it, we can make you do whatever we want. | ||
| And so I believe there's elements of the government who feel we must do everything in our power, no matter who we have to sacrifice to maintain this system. | ||
| And I believe this because, for one, we know about the economic order, we know about when it comes to the war in Ukraine. | ||
| A lot of this is related to getting cheaper gas energy into Europe. | ||
| Long and circuitous explanations of history to explain how this all ties into trying to frame this guy who's before me. | ||
| But yeah, the Qatar Turkey pipeline, the purpose here is they want to build a pipeline from Iraq through Syria, Turkey, into Europe to bring cheaper gas to offset the Russian Gazprom gas monopoly, which controls about 20% of the gas into Europe, jacking up the prices. | ||
| Syria says, no, we side with Russia. | ||
| This, uh, conveniently for us, civil war breaks out in Syria and we just happen to be opposed to their government. | ||
| And then you get Crimea, you get this conflict, and it all seems interrelated. | ||
| The reason we wanted cheaper energy into Europe is so that the European Union bloc could compete with China as China rapidly expands. | ||
| And the reason for that is because China is trying to get off the petrodollar and is encouraging more and more nations to do so, and they've done so effectively with Saudi Arabia. | ||
| And when the petrodollar falls, we all become much, much poorer. | ||
| So then you end up with this scenario. | ||
| I'll take it to social media first. | ||
| Elon Musk, I'm a big fan. | ||
| He was recently presented with a conundrum. | ||
| Turkey said, ban these people or we ban your social media website. | ||
| And Elon said, well, that's not a choice at all. | ||
| Take down two people or a million, lose access to this communication platform. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| Well, there's the utilitarian approach. | ||
| The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. | ||
| So Elon did the only thing he thought he could do. | ||
| He didn't think he had a choice. | ||
| I don't blame him for it. | ||
| But it's the same mentality brought forth by all of those who engage in, ultimately, in the end, what we would describe as evil acts. | ||
| I'm not saying Elon's evil or what he did was evil. | ||
| I'm saying it is a component that leads itself to how many grains of sand. | ||
| I'll bring it to Jack Conte of Patreon. | ||
| I had a conversation with him years ago when he banned several people. | ||
| And the gist of the conversation was, I have been told if I don't ban this one guy, everyone loses their income. | ||
| What do I do? | ||
| My response was, call their bluff. | ||
| Tell them, I dare you to shut down the income of the most influential people in this country all at once. | ||
| And when they all say, why is my money coming in? | ||
| I can tell them, as CEO, guys, it is this financial service provider that took away your money. | ||
| Stand up. | ||
| But the concern is, among the CEO, is the utilitarian approach. | ||
| The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. | ||
| Which brings us to this political circumstance. | ||
| People at the highest levels, not all evil, but I should say not all intentionally trying to just hurt and cause suffering. | ||
| They think they're doing the most good. | ||
| They always do. | ||
| And so, when presented with this scenario, if the Trump-supporting, America-first nationalists win, they will stop our wars, they will stop the foreign enforcement, the petrodollar will collapse, and this country will fall. | ||
| So you choose, they say this, to these agents, to these government officials, you have the choice. | ||
| We can sacrifice these six guys, just six guys, you know, and we can save 300 million. | ||
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| If you want to have 300 million suffer because you were unwilling to do what needed to be done, well now you are the one at fault. | ||
| I think this is the mentality they use to justify the things they do. | ||
| I happen to be more of a deontological thinker in terms of morality, which is you cannot take an immoral act against an individual. | ||
| The idea that they would try to destroy your life and sacrifice you. | ||
| If we are to live in a society that does that, we're no better than the Soviet Union or any other communist dictatorship. | ||
| Why should I fear the rise of a Chinese superpower that would suppress and depress its people when our country does the exact same thing to maintain its power, its sphere of influence? | ||
| The only difference becomes which religion and which financial institution has control If we do not defend the rights of the individual, then there is no point in trying to preserve the petrodollar or any kind of global order. | ||
| I could be wrong. | ||
| I could be naive, thinking that there's this attempt at nobility among a lot of these people. | ||
| It could really just be careerism, mindless zombie-like march towards the destruction of people's lives or personal gain. | ||
| That's probably a large component of it. | ||
| I think it's both, yeah. | ||
| But I think at the higher levels, they're justifying everything they do, saying it's for the greater good. | ||
| And they're utilitarians. | ||
| Which is funny, because I brought this up before. | ||
| Utilitarianism is typically depicted in media as the evil. | ||
| As the bad guys. | ||
| You know, we don't trade lives, we don't sacrifice kids, things like that. | ||
| Now you're looking at people who are outright saying, it's painful and it sucks, but we have to do it. | ||
| And my attitude is like, no we don't. | ||
| We really don't. | ||
| They say the ends justify the means. | ||
| They're hoping that the ends will be a more prosperous country, you know, American supremacy, no world war, etc. | ||
| The only problem is we never meet the end. | ||
| There is no end. | ||
| We are constantly in this state of flux, and if this country has decided, it will sacrifice your life. | ||
| For the betterment of other people, then we are the oppressive, tyrannical regime. | ||
| Now. | ||
| Now. | ||
| There's no end. | ||
| You've done it. | ||
| To these FBI agents, the ones who may think they're good guys, probably not the guy who was beaten trying to murder his wife. | ||
| Probably just a bad guy. | ||
| But there are agents who think... | ||
| You know, they might cry themselves to sleep at night saying, you know, I'm doing bad things, but I know it's for the greater good. | ||
| No, you're not. | ||
| You've literally just created the empire. | ||
| You have created the tyrannical regime that you think you're fighting against. | ||
| You are it. | ||
| It is now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We're in it. | ||
| And I would say Jason Chambers, one of the agents that was handling this case, he was trying to leave the FBI and retire. | ||
| And he was trying to launch his own private intelligence firm, a global intelligence firm called Exa Intel. | ||
| And he was seeking like million dollar contracts to advise the government on cases of DT. | ||
| And he was also seeking contracts with state governments to provide event security, venue security, which is fascinating when you look at what happened with the storming of the Capitol. | ||
| It's like, while at the same time, he's negotiating contracts to sell his products for lots of money. | ||
| And then he tried to hide that. | ||
| He also was apparently using some woman he was paying as a CHS, as a confidential source and informant. | ||
| He was given her envelopes of cash for work she was doing to launch his private company. | ||
| So I think that there's both, right? | ||
| I I think some of them have their own reasons for doing things. | ||
| It's like money, you know, he wanted to make a lot of money. | ||
| But I also think that some of these agents are young, they're naive, they don't know better. | ||
| And I think that a lot of the younger agents are trained now to see people in this way. | ||
| So a lot of the things from the global war on terror, it seems like they're Moving that and shifting it to a domestic war on terror and taking all of those excesses, turning it inward now because those wars are kind of over for the most part. | ||
| So now it's like, do we really want to see things like extraordinary rendition, enhanced interrogation, like we want to see that happening to Americans? | ||
| You could argue it is at DC Gulag and things like that for the January Sixers. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah, and something with Jason Chambers as well. | ||
| You know, with the X at Intel, these people are filled with evil because if you look at the symbolism of his company, you know how they say certain corporations and stuff, they have these occult symbols that represent their company or whatever? | ||
| And Jason Chambers' company, ExaIntel, had this, you know, very weird pyramid with an I in the center and then had some Latin around it that essentially means, like, the devil knows, like the devil you know, or the one who knows all. | ||
| You know, it was like a Latin saying. | ||
| Like the all-seeing eye. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| Back of the dollar. | ||
| Right, and it's like very evil, and it's like, wait a second, you know, and this guy's trying to make millions of dollars, you know, putting people in cages. | ||
| Yeah, we talk a lot about AI, and I think we should all fear a world in which the individual is treated like a single cell in a multicellular organism. | ||
| It's an interesting thought. | ||
| We were talking about this, I think this was last week, and with AI, with the centralization of powers, imagine a world in which when you're born, you're told your job is going to be a warehouse administrator. | ||
| You're three years old or whatever, and you can never do anything else, ever. | ||
| The AI has deemed it so, the machine has deemed it so, and if you deviate, They come and they just remove you, like any cancer in the body. | ||
| You know, individual cells that are crawling all over the place, little bacteria or whatever, are independent individuals and they can live about their little bacteria lives. | ||
| Within our bodies is, what do we have, like billions, trillions of cells or whatever, and they all have a specific function. | ||
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If they deviate from that function, they get destroyed. | |
| You can understand why that makes it, why it's good for our bodies that we destroy cancerous cells that deviate and start doing who knows what, making weird-ass crap. | ||
| But think about what that means in the macro sense, if a society starts treating people that way. | ||
| Your job is to be this, that's it. | ||
| It's all you can ever be. | ||
| And if you deviate from it, we will destroy you. | ||
| I think that's where we're going. | ||
| That's what AI will create. | ||
| That's what our government is creating, whether they want to or not, that's certainly what's happening. | ||
| And we're at the point now where you have your purpose, and if you deviate, we destroy you. | ||
| You get minimal freedoms outside of that. | ||
| And, you know, look, in the long run, they say you'll be happy and you'll own nothing. | ||
| Yeah, you'll be happy you know nothing. | ||
| And I think it's crazy how fast these technological advances are happening. | ||
| It gives me nightmares to think about the kind of pre-crime society, because I think we're already moving into that, right? | ||
| There's not really like a lot of legal precedent about things like AI and how data analytics are used. | ||
| And, you know, we know there's companies like Cambridge Analytica and others, SEL, Are you familiar with the concept of singularity? | ||
| It's like the technological singularity. | ||
| Everything comes together and AI takes over and stuff like that. | ||
| about yourself and then they have the ability to kind of curate your newsfeed and nudge you. | ||
| We know that. | ||
| I think the sing. | ||
| So are you familiar with the concept of singularity? | ||
| It's like the technological singularity. | ||
| Everything comes together and AI takes over and stuff like that. | ||
| But I think I think AI has the potential in a very short amount of time or potentially even now because we don't know what military tech or black ops has been working on. | ||
| I think it can predict the past and the future. | ||
| And when I say the past is, Norman Donaldson had this really funny line where he was like, you know, I was reading about history and the good guys won every war. | ||
| What are the odds? | ||
| It's brilliant. | ||
| But when we look back at history, we can only take the word of the historians who wrote about it. | ||
| I think with AI, we can accurately map out all of time. | ||
| And I mean it. | ||
| With the future, the further we move away from the present, it becomes more probabilistic in that 20% likelihood, 10% likelihood. | ||
| But I think it'll get more and more certain in that, you know, I was at the rock shop. | ||
| They have this mall out here where they sell rocks. | ||
| It's a really cool place. | ||
| And there's like this piece of a rock. | ||
| I don't remember what the rock was called. | ||
| And I said, imagine there is a jigsaw puzzle on a table, and there's one piece missing from that puzzle. | ||
| We as humans can look at the puzzle, see the hole, and then go, oh, and put it right in that spot. | ||
| When we look at that rock, we see the rock. | ||
| It's been carved from a mountain or something. | ||
| We can't see the jigsaw puzzle, it's too big. | ||
| But the AI can. | ||
| The AI has access to all of our data, all of our scientific instruments. | ||
| It knows exactly where that rock probably came from and where it fits in. | ||
| And then it can probably calculate over time how everything moved, where that rock came from a thousand years ago. | ||
| It's all being calculated. | ||
| So, what I see with that, you mentioned pre-crime. | ||
| People need to understand that we're already there. | ||
| We are already at the point where, it was a few years ago we talked about this, Facebook knows when you poop. | ||
| It's a funny way to explain it. | ||
| People laugh when I say it, but they do. | ||
| Facebook can tell. | ||
| Because of all the data they've tracked from all of you, from every single person, what you will do next. | ||
| So, we don't notice these things because, like I mentioned, we can't see the full jigsaw puzzle. | ||
| But Facebook is tracking a billion people. | ||
| And what does it notice? | ||
| An anomaly in the data. | ||
| Every single human does this one weird thing 40 minutes before ordering lunch. | ||
| Or they find that 72% of the time, a person will walk a certain amount of distance before they order lunch. | ||
| Now they can predict whether or not you will order lunch, and they can sell you an ad. | ||
| Now, you do something that's seemingly innocuous, like you go to the bathroom, right? | ||
| Or no, let's say this. | ||
| The simple way to explain it, you're sitting at your desk at work for an hour, then you get up and you move 10 meters and go back to your desk. | ||
| Instantly, the algorithm knows. | ||
| This correlates very heavily with an order for lunch. | ||
| And it could be very simple, because if someone's sitting at their desk and they get up, they're probably going to order lunch, or talk to a friend and ask them what they want. | ||
| That's obvious to us when explained, but there could be something seemingly so nonsensical. | ||
| Like... | ||
| A person who checks their phone has a 17% chance of then drinking a glass of water. | ||
| And you're like, huh? | ||
| How does that, like, where does that come in? | ||
| But the AI can see the whole picture. | ||
| And if they can tell when you're going to go to the bathroom, they can tell when you're going to commit a crime. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's where we're headed. | ||
| And then they can nudge you into doing it, or they can try. | ||
| They can then, if they know what behaviors correlate with other behaviors, they can start nudging you. | ||
| So you could theoretically, with the AI, with algorithms, with social media, take someone who is, you know, like you for instance, just some like working class dude, and then within three months, have you actually involved in something more serious. | ||
| They can manipulate people into becoming and doing these things. | ||
| That's what I see as getting really, really scary. | ||
| It's not just pre-crime and predicting it. | ||
| It's controlling the whole thing. | ||
| I think that's where we're going. | ||
| It's gonna get out of control and then we're gonna be... We could be in it right now and not even realize it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's right. | ||
| You could be interacting with people that you think are your friends on Facebook and they could be undercover covert employees working for the FBI. | ||
| Or AI. | ||
| Or AI. | ||
| The feds might implement, why have actual people do it? | ||
| When you can have AI chatbots that just know exactly what needs to be said and when to make someone inch in a certain direction. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They can set up all the groups and add everyone and try to put them all together. | ||
| Well, let's wind it back down now, I suppose. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| What's next? | ||
| Well, I definitely want to find an attorney to... | ||
| You know, get some justice for these guys, for these agents who tried to frame me. | ||
| Accountability. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right now, you know, honestly, I'm still putting the pieces back together. | ||
| I mean, when they arrested me, they destroyed my entire life. | ||
| They destroyed my car, my apartment. | ||
| You know, there's like a bunch of debt going on with that. | ||
| You know, the apartment wants to like sue me for the damages they did. | ||
| Um, cause you know, when they came in, they ripped everything open and busted everything up. | ||
| Um, you know, it's been very difficult to, uh, you know, find employment and, and, and maintain employment. | ||
| Um, there, a weird situation just happened with, with. | ||
| A really good job that I have when I tried to transfer, I think they didn't realize who I was until the transfer took place. | ||
| So they did like an okie dokie on me. | ||
| It was like, oh yeah, you can come down here and, and work at this facility. | ||
| And I go down there and then boom, they don't want me anymore. | ||
| So, you know, now I'm in a stuck position where I'm like driving and, and, and, and, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm getting by, I'm doing what I need to do, but it's very rough. | ||
| Cause a lot of times. | ||
| You're putting these applications, you know, they run your background check. | ||
| Yeah, I don't have a criminal history or whatever, but they can see like who I am and that makes it a lot more difficult to get. | ||
| They were so mad about that. | ||
| You know, so that's kind of the, but you know, the great thing is I got all my guns back. | ||
| Everything that they took, they were so mad about that. | ||
| They had three pages of stuff they seized from this man. | ||
| They took my food. | ||
| They took all my seeds, my water filtration stuff, everything. | ||
| And me and my attorney went back and, uh, met up with the agent that was attached to me. | ||
| They attach agents to everyone to monitor them online and everything. | ||
| And, uh, he had to give me all my stuff back and he was sick about it. | ||
| The only reason to be sick about is if he was evil, right? | ||
| And he is very evil. | ||
| He lied on the stand against me. | ||
| They went all the way back in my. | ||
| They brought up stuff in court of conversations I had with someone about the Second Amendment and what it means. | ||
| And they just don't like the way I say things, because I say it very plain and blunt. | ||
| So they just tried anything that they could to try to make me out to be a bad guy. | ||
| And a jury said, you know what I think they said? | ||
| I think they said, you know what? | ||
| I kind of agree with this guy. | ||
| That gives me hope for, um, for Donald Trump. | ||
| I mean, you know, I've said, do you really think a New York jury is going to acquit Donald Trump? | ||
| It only takes, I think they only need like what one person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then, and then you get a mistrial. | ||
| Is that how it would work? | ||
| Miami. | ||
| I don't see it happening like that. | ||
| You know, if so, I think they're going to try and change venue. | ||
| I guess it was like randomly assigned or whatever. | ||
| And then he ends up with this judge that he appointed. | ||
| And so there's now the left is freaking out being like, how could there possibly be a conviction? | ||
| They are sloppy. | ||
| You know what it feels like to me? | ||
| You got J. Edgar Hoover, right? | ||
| You've got this sordid history of the FBI, manipulations and all that stuff, but these are guys who built this machine, as dark as it may be. | ||
| And now we're on, you know, the third or fourth generation. | ||
| You know, like, they say that wealth lasts three generations. | ||
| Somebody will start a business, make a bunch of money, I don't think that stops at just running a business. | ||
| And then those kids, the business is stable, then their kids inherit it, it starts getting worse and worse, and then their kids inherit nothing. | ||
| Because none of those people had the life lessons required to maintain this machine. | ||
| I don't think that stops at just running a business. | ||
| I think that even matters for government. | ||
| Maybe why we have the Strauss-Howe generational theory. | ||
| The fourth turning? | ||
| No. | ||
| Every 80 years is a conflict in the United States. | ||
| 80 years ago we had World War II, 80 years before that we had the Civil War, 80 years before that we had the Revolution, and so we're right now in what they call the fourth turning, which is supposed to be a period of great tumult and conflict. | ||
| And it may be because every three generations you have a generation of people who don't know the life lessons required, And so there is this natural conflict process where those who are able to, you know, there's a big fight and then someone takes over. | ||
| But with the FBI, I wonder if that's what we're seeing. | ||
| These agents are the, you know, third or fourth generation. | ||
| They don't know how to maintain the system. | ||
| They don't know how to properly implement these plans or tactics. | ||
| It is like a copy of a copy of a copy. | ||
| It is just really being poorly done. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, look, The fact that they got the address wrong like they wanted this great piece of evidence that showed on camera this car driving by and they screwed up something as simple as a single digit is remarkable. | ||
| Yeah, very incompetent. | ||
| And just the things they were saying to each like if you just read the text messages the agents and what they were saying to the informants they claim that the informants didn't know about each other like one informant didn't know this person was an informant and That's not true at all. | ||
| They're texting each other, they're calling each other, they're coordinating, you can see that. | ||
| There's things like this that are so easy to verify just by looking at the discovery that is publicly available, by the way. | ||
| There is still a lot of discovery under seal that has even crazier stuff in it, but all you have to do is go and look. | ||
| What if this is the real PSYOP? | ||
| What if they're actually way better than we realize, and the real goal was to destroy trust in the federal government? | ||
| Double PSYOP. | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| Yeah, look how discredited the FBI is now. | ||
| I don't think it's that. | ||
| As an organization. | ||
| No, yeah, I don't think so. | ||
| I think it's probably more of like a generational collapse. | ||
| Like you said, the incompetence and sort of like I always said, everything at the government is like the DMV. | ||
| Think about your experience at a DMV and how competent and thorough that is. | ||
| I bet when they first started it was probably great. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Very simple, very quick. | ||
| You know, the thing I see with the legal system, I'll tell you guys a story. | ||
| When I was How old was I? | ||
| I had to be 20? | ||
| Or 19? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I was driving my car on my way to work when all of a sudden I get these lights behind me. | ||
| Bright, full-on, within a foot of my bumper. | ||
| I'm not speeding. | ||
| And so I'm like, this guy's tailgating. | ||
| He's gonna hit me. | ||
| So I hit my signal, give it a little gas to get some distance, and then start getting out of the left lane. | ||
| Car follows. | ||
| Lights turn on. | ||
| Cop. | ||
| And I'm like, okay. | ||
| Pulls me over. | ||
| And then I said, is there a problem? | ||
| He goes, you're speeding. | ||
| And I was like, no, I wasn't. | ||
| And he goes, yeah, you did. | ||
| I was behind you. | ||
| And then also I just started picking up speed. | ||
| And I was like, well, you almost hit me and I'm trying to move out of your way. | ||
| And he goes, shouldn't speed in front of a cop. | ||
| And he throws me a ticket. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So one day I'm driving down Lakeshore Drive in Chicago. | ||
| This is several months later. | ||
| I paid the ticket. | ||
| I was like, whatever, I don't have time for this. | ||
| This is stupid. | ||
| It's $35 or something. | ||
| Driving down Lakeshore Drive in Chicago, and it's 45 miles an hour speed limit. | ||
| I am exiting at Belmont Avenue, so I am slowing down. | ||
| As I'm exiting, I get pulled over. | ||
| And the cop walks up and, you know, dome light on, engine off, keys on the dash, everything's off, hands on the wheel. | ||
| My dad's a firefighter, you know, I was given the talk when I was a kid about how you're supposed to properly act. | ||
| And the cop walks up, and I said, howdy officer, is there a problem? | ||
| And he goes, he's like, yes sir, you were speeding. | ||
| And I said, no officer, I wasn't. | ||
| And he goes, yeah you were, I caught you going 65 in a 45. | ||
| And I was like, I'm exiting at Belmont. | ||
| I have to slow down. | ||
| How was I speeding? | ||
| And he goes, tell it to a judge. | ||
| And then he writes it up. | ||
| You know, he took my license and insurance and he hands me the thing, sign it. | ||
| And I said, but I wasn't speeding. | ||
| And he says, this is not acknowledgement of guilt. | ||
| It's acknowledgement of receipt. | ||
| Sign it or you're under arrest. | ||
| And I was like, okay. | ||
| So I sign it. | ||
| And then he, and then I was like, I don't understand though. | ||
| I wasn't speeding. | ||
| He said, tell it to a judge. | ||
| Hands me the ticket and he leaves. | ||
| So, I'm like, they take your license and you do this, and now your ticket becomes your license or whatever. | ||
| So, what ends up happening is... | ||
| Uh, a month or so later or something. | ||
| You have like three months to respond. | ||
| I, uh, my sister, she lives in Colorado Springs on Fort Carson. | ||
| Her husband was overseas. | ||
| She's a little distraught about it. | ||
| You know, her husband's in conflict. | ||
| And so I was like, I'll come visit and we'll hang out. | ||
| While I'm there, I'm like, you know, I never paid this ticket and I can't go to court over it because I'm in Colorado and it's 50 bucks. | ||
| Like, I don't have time to deal with this. | ||
| And so my sister being very nice said, I'll just pay it for you. | ||
| And I was like, okay, cool. | ||
| That's an admission of guilt. | ||
| Two moving violations under the age of 21 that suspend your license. | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| I didn't do anything wrong. | ||
| But what's reasonable? | ||
| Taking time off work and life to go to court because a cop lied about you? | ||
| So, when I returned back to Chicago, I'm in the suburbs, I'm in Glen Ellen, and I see lights behind me. | ||
| Had lights tailgating once again. | ||
| I had just gotten back, literally. | ||
| I had literally just entered the state. | ||
| I had not yet gotten home or, you know, where I was going. | ||
| I had been out in Colorado Springs for like a month. | ||
| And the car then puts its signal on, goes past me, drives up, speeds off. | ||
| As I'm coming up over this hill, I see it was a police car, and it's in the left turn lane. | ||
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And I thought to myself, he's far down the road. | |
| I can just turn right, get off the road, get out of my car, turn the lights off, walk away right now, and not play any stupid games, because I do not trust these people. | ||
| And I'm like, I'm paranoid. | ||
| So I just keep going. | ||
| As soon as I pass him, he turns around, flicks the lights on, pulls me over. | ||
| It's an illegal stop. | ||
| He walks up to the car and he goes, Timothy Poole? | ||
| And I go, yes. | ||
| And he goes, you're under arrest driving on a suspended license out of the vehicle. | ||
| And I was like, what? | ||
| And so I get out. | ||
| He wasn't legally allowed to stop me. | ||
| He ran my plates because the car came back as owned by me, who had a suspended license. | ||
| He pulled me over, which is an illegal stop. | ||
| And he said, we're going to I-bond you. | ||
| Can someone come pick you up? | ||
| And I was like, what's my license suspended for? | ||
| He goes, don't know, don't care. | ||
| So my mom came and picked me up. | ||
| I was like 19 or whatever. | ||
| What ends up happening is I go to court and They have me meet with the prosecutor and he says, how are you, how are you going to deal with this? | ||
| And I told him, I was like, well, I don't think I did anything wrong. | ||
| And he goes, well, you've been accused of driving on a suspended license. | ||
| And I was like, yeah, but I was out of state. | ||
| I had just gotten back. | ||
| Like I didn't get any notification. | ||
| I was visiting my sister. | ||
| Her husband's in Iraq right now. | ||
| And she called me and he goes, so you've just admitted guilt to the prosecution. | ||
| We can take your guilty plea now as you've admitted it. | ||
| And I was like, huh? | ||
| And he goes, I'll tell you what you plead guilty. | ||
| $150 fine and we, uh, what did he say? | ||
| Court supervision and you're done. | ||
| Otherwise, it's one year in jail and a $2,500 fine. | ||
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And I was like, okay. | |
| So then I walk up to the judge like next up, you know, Mr. Poole and the prosecutor standing off the side. | ||
| And he said, uh, I, my understanding is you're pleading guilty. | ||
| And I was like, yes, your honor. | ||
| And he says, okay. | ||
| And then he does that thing where he goes, have you in any way been coerced or otherwise, you know, made to give us this, this plea today? | ||
| And I said, yes, your honor. | ||
| And he goes, excuse me. | ||
| And I was like, I'm sorry. | ||
| And he goes, someone coerced you into pleading guilty. | ||
| I said, yes, your honor. | ||
| And he goes, who? | ||
| That man over there, sir. | ||
| I was like, what? | ||
| And I was like, he told me I'd go to jail for a year if I didn't just say I was guilty. | ||
| And he goes, get a lawyer and come back. | ||
| And so they put a continuance in. | ||
| I went back home and I was like, he did coerce me. | ||
| He threatened me with a year in jail. | ||
| He said it was a class A misdemeanor and I'd have to spend thousands of dollars and go to jail for a year unless I just said I was guilty. | ||
| And I was like, I don't think I did anything wrong. | ||
| I was like, if they told me my license was suspended, I would have been like, okay. | ||
| But first of all, I wasn't speeding in the first place. | ||
| So I called a lawyer. | ||
| Lawyer said, the amount of money you're going to spend isn't worth it. | ||
| Just plead guilty and pay the 150 bucks. | ||
| So that's what I ended up doing. | ||
| And how is it that we have a legal system that functions this way? | ||
| I am just some dude who was working for an airline. | ||
| I did not speed in those two circumstances. | ||
| Those cops lied. | ||
| But I did not have the finance, the legal capabilities to defend myself against these police officers who are lying. | ||
| So the only thing I could do was just pay the fine. | ||
| And then they suspend my license for it, and I didn't drive for like two years after that. | ||
| And then they threatened me with a year in jail, because I came back, and as soon as I paid the ticket, they suspended my license. | ||
| And I had no idea! | ||
| I would have just not paid the ticket! | ||
| I would have just put, not guilty, I'll see you in court. | ||
| But they don't tell you these things. | ||
| And then the judge, basically, Allows this stuff to happen. | ||
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I see this whole legal system is being completely callous psychotic and broken illegitimate broken 100% at their trial Judge Yonker. | |
| He did a bogus hearsay rule where he basically said. | ||
| Everything that they said that was exculpatory, that was picked up, we couldn't show it to the jury. | ||
| They weren't allowed to hear about the misconduct of the three lead handling agents in their case. | ||
| There was a lot of stuff, they just wouldn't let the defense bring in. | ||
| The judge mocked your lawyers and said like, oh quit wasting people's time with this crap line of questioning. | ||
| He never did that to the prosecutors. | ||
| Yeah, he put a time limit on the defense as well in the second trial. | ||
| He said, okay, prosecution, there's two key witnesses about to come up. | ||
| He tells the defense, you guys only have 25 minutes to cross-examine this witness, but the prosecution can go as long as they want. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You know, and it's like, it's set up. | ||
| Once the first trial happened and we won, two people were acquitted. | ||
| The missed trial and the other two. | ||
| Yeah, and the missed trial and the other two. | ||
| So they have the second trial. | ||
| They're like, yo, we really got to like, this can't happen again. | ||
| We really got to set this up. | ||
| We got to get the right jury. | ||
| We messed up on the jury before that. | ||
| You know, we got to get the right jury. | ||
| We got to, you know, stack the deck against these guys because these guys are making us look bad. | ||
| Yeah, that's exactly right. | ||
| And they were able to do that. | ||
| There was an issue with one of the jurors where he allegedly said as soon as he received the jury summons he told people at work, oh I hope I get on the jury for the Whitmer kidnapping case so I can H-A-N-G those guys. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So that was reported. | ||
| Their defense lawyers reported that there was a little meeting. | ||
| Was he removed? | ||
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No. | |
| So I talked to my attorney, Mike Hills, about that. | ||
| And because what happened is they found out that that juror said that. | ||
| And then what happened is the judge took him back into his chambers with no other attorneys, just him and that guy. | ||
| And then no recording and walked out and said, yeah, he said he didn't say it. | ||
| So, um, yeah, we're good. | ||
| And in my attorneys, I'm like, that doesn't seem right. | ||
| My attorney's like, I've never seen. | ||
| That happened where a judge takes a juror back into his chambers alone and doesn't record anything at all. | ||
| And then bring them back out. | ||
| Like everything's fine. | ||
| He said, usually we all go in there, the prosecution, the attorney with the judge and the juror. | ||
| I don't think people realize where we're at in this country. | ||
| doing secretive stuff. | ||
| I don't think people realize where we're at in this country. | ||
| No. | ||
| I had a legal issue and I was talking to a lawyer about a copyright lawsuit and he said, do you want to win? | ||
| Pick your jurisdiction. | ||
| If you take this to an urban liberal district, you'll lose. | ||
| You take it to a conservative district, you'll win. | ||
| And I'm just like, well, that's insane. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| How can that be? | ||
| Well, because this country is so hyper polarized that first of all, based on who I am, They're going to just immediately say, screw you, we'll destroy you. | ||
| So that's not a jury of your peers anymore. | ||
| The way Stephen Marsh describes it, and he's very much on the liberal side, he said there's a multicultural democracy emerging within a constitutional republic and they both can't occupy the same space. | ||
| He said that he aligns with the multicultural democracy. | ||
| My response was, so you're seeking to supplant our constitutional republic, which is the foundation of this nation. | ||
| That's where we're at. | ||
| So if you are in DC, if you're an urban liberal district, you are looking at people who are not your peers. | ||
| You're looking at people who live in an entirely different world with a different moral framework who want to destroy you. | ||
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And I'm honestly surprised they acquitted you. | |
| It's surprising, but I guess they did such a bad job of trying to frame you that the jurors had no choice. | ||
| Yeah, even with the way they controlled that courtroom and prevented the jury from seeing so much evidence, still what they saw was enough for them to be like, no, I don't think I'm going to convict any of these guys, not even Adam and Barry. | ||
| Then they had the mistrial and the retrial and that was even worse. | ||
| And what was it? | ||
| In the retrials, more evidence was restricted or something like that? | ||
| Yeah, even more was restricted. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| They basically control everything. | ||
| Moreover, Every single person who wanted to testify for these guys as defense witnesses. | ||
| So some of these field training exercises had as many as 30 or 40 guys there. | ||
| Families! | ||
| They had, you know, barbecues, swimming, the informants are providing alcohol and marijuana for everybody. | ||
| So you had lots of people that attended these FTXs that saw everything that was going on but weren't charged or anything. | ||
| They wanted to testify and tell their story. | ||
| Every single person was threatened. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And how they did that was they didn't have the jury watch this occur. | ||
| What they did was the judge was essentially like, oh, okay, so the defense has like 15 people that might want to testify on their behalf. | ||
| Okay, we'll send the jury back in the jury room. | ||
| All right, bring this person out. | ||
| Okay, blah, blah, blah, then they talk. | ||
| And then, you know, the judge goes, prosecution, what do you want to do? | ||
| It's like, well, this person's facing 15 counts of providing material support for terrorism, terrorist threats, and all of this stuff. | ||
| And it's like, just a woman who was there with her husband and their child. | ||
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They were accusing the woman of Yeah, like, if she testifies, we're gonna charge her. | |
| We could charge her. | ||
| So essentially they coerced and threatened every single person who was trying to testify on behalf of the defense. | ||
| We just need... | ||
| We just need to weed out cowardice in our culture. | ||
| We need to teach bravery. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I was explaining this on IRL. | ||
| Cowardice is simply when faced with your fears and a necessity to act, you refuse. | ||
| And bravery is when faced with your fears and a necessity to act, you act. | ||
| So a lot of people get offended at being called cowards. | ||
| And I say, that's on you. | ||
| If you are faced with true adversity, but you must act for the betterment of the world, and you refuse, if you're facing your fears and you refuse, that is what cowardice is. | ||
| Now if you take offense to that, I don't care. | ||
| I did not make you a coward, you did. | ||
| If you are brave, and I don't care how you feel, you choose. | ||
| And there are people who are faced with these circumstances where they say, I'm not going to plead guilty to this. | ||
| And there's a guy. | ||
| I think his name is John Strand. | ||
| Are you familiar? | ||
| Yeah, the January 6th guy. | ||
| Yeah, he was providing security to Simone Gold, I believe, the doctor, and they accuse him of all these insane things, and he refuses a deal. | ||
| But the people who took deals, they get a slap on the wrist. | ||
| The people who don't, they get made examples of. | ||
| So he's going to jail for several years, but you know, that's bravery. | ||
| He knows the problem is the cowards allow the evil to persist. | ||
| There's the famous quote, The way I phrase it is, it's not that evil exists, that's the problem. | ||
| The problem is that good people do nothing. | ||
| And the actual quote is, all that is required for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing. | ||
| And this is what I see. | ||
| If we had a culture of people who are steadfast and honorable, The Feds would have gone to these guys and said, plead guilty, and they would have said, no. | ||
| And they would have said, we will lock you up for the rest of your life. | ||
| And they could laugh and say, good luck, because that's what I do. | ||
| If they came to me and say, we want you to testify this way, I'll be like, I'll do the opposite. | ||
| Whatever you try to force me to do, I will do the opposite. | ||
| So you can stop wasting your time, you can carry on and go bother somebody else, but it ain't coming from me. | ||
| Too many people, however, are just like, I will do anything you say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know what they see in life. | ||
| Like, I don't understand what the purpose of being here is, is if you are someone who would just drop to your knees at a moment's notice. | ||
| Are you not here for the betterment of the world, for the betterment of those around you, for your families, for your friends? | ||
| I genuinely can't wrap my head around this, this thought that I don't know if there exists anything in this world that would give me satisfaction to the point where I would sacrifice other people to obtain it. | ||
| It doesn't make sense. | ||
| Maybe this is the difference. | ||
| People who are more satisfied with the success and achievements of others than their own is the difference. | ||
| Is it really worth selling out this country, your state, your friends, your family, so that you can go home and have a slice of pizza? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, that's one thing that amazed me about, you know, people like Ty Garvin and Caleb Franks is that, you know, we're training and we're doing this stuff and, and these guys are pretty good. | ||
| And. | ||
| They're put in this situation and I'm thinking about all the stuff that they said while we were training. | ||
| Yeah, I wouldn't do this. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I'd defend myself with that or whatever, all this big talk, you know, and then once the state really comes down on them, they're like, oh no. | ||
| It's like, yeah, bro. | ||
| I thought you said this, dude. | ||
| What are you talking about, man? | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, I've not dealt with anything like serious solitary confinement. | ||
| Did they do anything like that to you when you were locked up? | ||
| Yeah, at first for some weeks because of the COVID situation, but I did not see the sunlight for 18 months. | ||
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I stayed in one unit that was... You never went outside? | |
| No, never once. | ||
| It was about as big as this studio, but there's like maybe smaller, a little bit smaller, but there's like 15 people in there. | ||
| Wow so you're cramped up in there like sardines the whole time the whole time there's one room the whole time for 18 months and then one of the months during during the trial but. | ||
| You know, people are laying on the floor. | ||
| You got one bathroom, one sink, one shower, 15 people in there. | ||
| Uh, it's, it's, it's pretty gnarly dude. | ||
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It's that doing that time. | |
| Does something to you psychologically, especially when you know, you didn't do anything wrong. | ||
| I would have been able to accept it a lot easier if I actually did something like, okay, this, you know, suffer the consequences of my actions, man, you know, but being in there innocent and dealing with all of that psychologically was, uh, Very, very strenuous. | ||
| Were there like tables and chairs? | ||
| Yeah, there was one long picnic table in there. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| What do you sleep on? | ||
| Uh, they had metal bunks or they had like these things that would you, they would call them boats and it's just like a polymer bed off the ground that you just kind of throw on the ground and put your mat on it. | ||
| So what do you, what do you do? | ||
| How do you occupy your time? | ||
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Um, cards, poker, paid a lot of poker. | |
| What do you gamble with? | ||
| What do you bet? | ||
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So commissary, you gamble commissary. | |
| And what you use for chips is you take card decks and you fold them up and, and Wow. | ||
| put them in little squares. | ||
| So when you're counting your chips, you're just, you know, I'm saying counting the pieces of cards that you have. | ||
| And so like bet 10, you pull out 10, you know, 20, whatever. | ||
| And, uh, you know, the other guys in there know that you were innocent or do they just believe everybody says they're innocent? | ||
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Well, yeah, they, they knew I was innocent. | |
| They were like, yeah, that seems like bullshit, you know, but a lot of the, a lot of the brothers in there, you know, we're, we're bullshitting and they're like, man, I fuck with you, B. You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Big terror, you know? | ||
| And I'm like, bro, it's not real. | ||
| They're like, I don't care, bro. | ||
| I fuck with you. | ||
| And it's crazy to think so, but, but you weren't alone. | ||
| Were you alone at any point? | ||
| Like it's like solitary? | ||
| No, no, I wasn't alone. | ||
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And which, I would almost maybe prefer that at times. | |
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, because some of the shit that goes on in there, you're never alone at all. | ||
| You never have privacy. | ||
| Like even when you're taking a dump? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're taking a dump in the open, like in the corner right there. | ||
| And like there's no curtains or whatever? | ||
| It's like you just gotta walk over. | ||
| Sometimes the guards will come in and take it all down. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| But we have to, someone's got to sacrifice their sheet or we got to put two sheets together and take some soap and get it wet, crush it up and then stick the sheet up against the wall to make a little curtain, take a pen, wrap it around there, a pencil or something and hang it off the shower. | ||
| You got to figure it out. | ||
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Wow. | |
| You know, it's crazy that, that we, that. | ||
| I don't see how it functions this way. | ||
| Ben Franklin said, it is better that 100 guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer. | ||
| And that, of course, came from Blackstone's formulation. | ||
| It is better that 10 guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer. | ||
| The reason Ben Franklin said this was the general idea. | ||
| If you have a society where its civilians believe that even if they are just and moral, they will still be punished by the state, then they have no reason to be just and moral. | ||
| And incentivizes crime and the destruction of the society. | ||
| Therefore, we must prioritize the innocent over the guilty at all costs, even if it means a hundred guilty people go free. | ||
| And so I look at places like New York, I know a lot of conservatives don't like, they've gotten rid of cash bail. | ||
| I completely agree with getting rid of cash bail. | ||
| I don't agree with just letting career criminals go, obviously you have to stop them. | ||
| But the idea that they use the process as the punishment. | ||
| That arresting, like the fact, when they arrested you, you're innocent. | ||
| That's what this country is founded on. | ||
| My argument is, they should give you a standard hotel room. | ||
| You can't leave because you've been accused of a very serious crime, but you've not been proven to have done it. | ||
| You should have a computer with access to the internet, you should have a phone, you should have a bed, a TV, and they should bring you standard meals. | ||
| Good quality ones. | ||
| Because you're innocent. | ||
| The compromise we make is, you are being remanded to custody because of the preponderance of evidence. | ||
| We've not proven you've done anything wrong, so we're gonna make sure your standard of life doesn't change. | ||
| You can still work. | ||
| Granted, you're not gonna be able to do the hands-on jobs, but you'll still have access to the internet. | ||
| We're going to cover the cost as we've decided we're holding you. | ||
| That way, when ultimately you're found to be not guilty, you simply leave what is a hotel room. | ||
| It is very disruptive to anyone's life. | ||
| You lose your car, maybe. | ||
| You can't pay your bills. | ||
| But that's at least the compromise. | ||
| Instead, what do they do? | ||
| You, a guy who is innocent and actually found not guilty by a jury of your peers. | ||
| Actually, I'd argue maybe not even your peers. | ||
| These are seemingly People who had, some of them had a serious reason to just want to block you up. | ||
| But what do they do? | ||
| They put you in a room. | ||
| They put you on a cot. | ||
| They make you go through these trials and tribulations. | ||
| They punish you for a year and a half having done nothing wrong. | ||
| I don't see how a system can function this way. | ||
| It's unsustainable. | ||
| I think that that's obvious. | ||
| I would say as bad as Nuego County is where you guys were at, where Adam and Barry are at right now is even worse. | ||
| So I started filming with Adam and Barry for my documentary, interviewing them while they were at Nuego County. | ||
| Just prior to their sentencing, but after their convictions. | ||
| And I interviewed both of them extensively. | ||
| I got a statement from Barry for the Weaponization Committee, in case I could get it to them. | ||
| Like, what would you want to say to them to investigate the FBI in your case? | ||
| And I asked Adam to write one too. | ||
| The next day after that, Adam was moved to Florence Supermax, and Barry was sent to Terre Haute Supermax. | ||
| Now, Adam is on track to go to ADX, which is supposed to be more like the Lomax section of this secretive Supermax prison facility, but it's incredibly insane. | ||
| And Barry is going to be moved to a CMU, Communications Management Unit, of the Supermax prison, where they're going to prevent him basically from being able to communicate with anybody. | ||
| Now, these prisons were set up after 9-11 to house like Al-Qaeda terrorists or ISIS people, and they have rules like you have to, if you're going to be on the phone, you have to be speaking English and stuff like that. | ||
| What they were for, the communications management unit, was basically to prevent a terrorist from interacting with an international criminal network and basically still conducting Carrying out acts of terrorism or a gang leader, somebody like El Chapo, who is, you know, at the Florence Supermax facility. | ||
| Somebody like him, who's got like an international network, a gang leader. | ||
| They don't want him to be shot callers from prison, so they would put him in a communications management unit. | ||
| Barry, the 45-year-old trucker from Delaware with three daughters, like, he doesn't need to be in a CMU in Terre Haute Supermax. | ||
| There is no national security concern for him talking to his elderly mother on the phone and his three daughters and his fiance. | ||
| Evil. | ||
| Evil. | ||
| I hope that, uh, I hope Trump gets reelected and I hope he just starts pardoning tons of people. | ||
| You know, I was saying in 2020 he should announce a blanket pardon for, uh, Non-plea deal, non-violent drug offenses. | ||
| So like at the federal level, anybody who was caught selling something like marijuana, but they didn't plead down from violent charges, says they had a review, he should just pardon them. | ||
| And be like, we gotta get people out of the system. | ||
| The system is busted. | ||
| First of all, it's expensive. | ||
| We should not be spending so much money maintaining these things. | ||
| We should get nonviolent offenders out, especially on something like marijuana, which is recreationally legalized all over the place now. | ||
| I think we're moving beyond that. | ||
| And some states I can praise, they have done this. | ||
| They have started to offer amnesty to individuals for nonviolent offenses. | ||
| But I hope he commutes and acquits these guys. | ||
| I think most, even in the press, they have to acknowledge this stuff. | ||
| That it's all bunk. | ||
| It's all manufactured. | ||
| This should not be the way things are going. | ||
| Ian likes to bring up the... I forgot what it's called. | ||
| After the Revolutionary War, I think it was in Massachusetts. | ||
| I don't know if you guys are familiar with what this was. | ||
| There was another rebellion took place among soldiers who were not paid. | ||
| And then they all end up getting arrested. | ||
| And then I think it was John Hancock, I'm not sure. | ||
| Ian knows better, he always brings it up, who said, "Pardon all of them, pardon them all." Because if we start this country off by taking these people who are angry and just locking them up, we will collapse. | ||
| We absolutely. - Very wise. - Yeah, and a difficult decision to make. | ||
| People who fought against you who are, you know. | ||
| But you've got to recognize sometimes retreat is the appropriate move. | ||
| That's why I truly believe, I mean it feels like these people want the country to collapse. | ||
| Or they're just unwell in the head. | ||
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I think it's both. | |
| Yeah, I mean the story of that guy and his wife, I mean that's crazy. | ||
| And these are the people in law enforcement. | ||
| And you know what happens is people like that hire more people like that. | ||
| Exactly, that's right. | ||
| Is that how they go out and they celebrate these cases? | ||
| They take their wives to weird swingers parties and, you know, get intoxicated and then beat people? | ||
| It's disgusting. | ||
| Well, this has been crazy. | ||
| I'm glad at least you were able to stand up and you were found not guilty and you're here free. | ||
| But I know there's others who are still locked up unjustly. | ||
| And I have concerns that they still do things like this. | ||
| But is there any final thoughts you wanted to have before we wrap up? | ||
| Yeah, I would also say there are still unindicted co-conspirators. | ||
| So there are still people today that I've been trying to interview for my documentary and talk to you that are terrified to talk to me because they still believe that they could be charged at some point or something because the government will come in, they'll raid your home, they'll seize all of your electronics, and then they do not have to charge you with anything. | ||
| They can keep your property. | ||
| And so you have a lot of people that are Unindicted co-conspirators, if they did something, charge them or just drop it. | ||
| Let it go. | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| So I, I feel very bad for them. | ||
| And a lot of people have had their lives ruined by this. | ||
| Not just the guys who went to prison, but their family members. | ||
| These are all families being destroyed. | ||
| Barry has three little girls that don't have their father now anymore. | ||
| Like they are destroying families. | ||
| People who are completely innocent. | ||
| All of these men were innocent as well, but even more innocent than that, children. | ||
| And that's very sad. | ||
| Yeah, any final thoughts or anything? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you know, situations like this, a lot of times what the state wants to do is they want to polarize certain groups of people and put the fear in them, right? | ||
| They want to put the fear in you so you never speak out against them, or else if you do, this is what will happen. | ||
| And, you know, my philosophy about it is, you know, even though stuff like this is going on and we see a lot of crazy shit going on in society, You know, you still need to remain vigilant. | ||
| Um, stay connected with people you love. | ||
| Um, you know, get some storageable food, start gaining knowledge on how to take care of yourself and take care of your family and not be dependent on somebody else for your own life and, and, and, and your own sustenance, you know, and, and train and learn how to defend yourself. | ||
| It's your human right to know how to defend yourself. | ||
| Don't, don't give away that responsibility to somebody else. | ||
| Take action. | ||
| And, and learn how to do it yourself and getting these, this type of knowledge will empower yourself to make it to where, you know what, if everyone does this type of stuff, they can't do that to us anymore. | ||
| They can't just come get us anymore, you know, cause we're a solid unit. | ||
| And, um, you know, that's just my advice that I have is, is, you know, believe in something, believe in truth, believe in morality, and be willing to have the courage to, to stand up even when you're scared. | ||
| Anything you guys want to shout out? | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| I'd like to shout out the documentary, Kidnap and Kill, an FBI terror plot that will tell the story when it's finished. | ||
| You can watch the trailer for that on the website. | ||
| It is the letter K and kfilm.com. | ||
| I didn't want to buy the domain name kidnapandkill.com, so it's just kandkfilm.com. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| Do you have any social media? | ||
| Yeah, and if you want to check me out on Twitter, it's Brandon underscore Caserta. | ||
| And check me out on TikTok as well, which is Kinetic underscore Truth. | ||
| And if you want to hit up my Givesongo and help me out, that's also givesongo.com slash Kinetic Truth. | ||
| And you can add me on Facebook as well. | ||
| That's just my first and last name, Brandon Caserta. | ||
| But I'm doing a lot of stuff on TikTok, and I'm doing a lot of stuff on Instagram as well. | ||
| So go ahead and follow me there. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| This has been a blast. | ||
| Thank you guys so much for coming and telling us about what was going on and where you're all at. | ||
| We really do appreciate it. | ||
| I hope things work out. | ||
| I'm looking forward to the documentary. | ||
| I hope these other guys that are still awaiting, I think, how many are still awaiting trial? | ||
| Is it? | ||
| There's a few. | ||
| I think just three now. | ||
| Eric Mulleter and the Null Brothers that are facing trial this summer in Antrim County. | ||
| So people can pray for them. | ||
| I think that would be nice. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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