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June 2, 2023 - The Culture War - Tim Pool

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The Culture War #14 - Trent Talbot, Josie TRHL, Fighting Woke indoctrination in Schools

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One of the biggest elements of the culture war, one of the biggest concerns is our children.
		And I often talk about how these leftists, they're very much in favor of policies that either cause irreparable harm to themselves and their kids, or they outright just don't want to have them, either through abortion or sterilization.
		But when you look at the propping up of celebrities like Lizzo, who has very serious health problems, it seems like the things they do are not Conducive to long-term survival.
		I'll try to be very nice about this.
		And so the response I get from people is, yeah, that may be, but they're coming to indoctrinate your kids so they can turn well-adjusted children into socialists or maladjusted individuals.
		And that's why we're hanging out with Dr. Trent Talbot of Brave Books, because you are combating this.
		We also have Josie, the red-headed libertarian, who actually has kids and has dealt with this stuff.
		So, do you want to introduce yourself?
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Trent Talbot, founder and CEO of Brave Books, and super excited to be here and talk to you, Tim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what do you do?
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Well, I started Brave Books, and what we do is we create Christian conservative children's books.
		They're picture books, and we take on Ideas that are out there, so that we're a tool for parents to help equip their children with truth so that whenever they're faced with these ideas that are out there, they've already had these conversations with their parents.
		And we help parents reinforce the values, you know, that they hold dear.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then I think there's one book that a lot of people probably know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's, what is it, Elephants Are Not Birds?
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Ashley St.
		Clair.
		That was our first book.
unidentified		Yeah.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		And yeah, that was our first book.
		That's part of the reason why I got into this in the first place is that whole issue.
		And yeah, it struck a chord and that sort of launched us.
		And now we've done 23 books.
		Kirk Cameron's coming out, came out with his second book with us yesterday called Pride Comes Before the Fall.
unidentified		Wow.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		That's getting a lot of attention.
unidentified		For kids?
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		I mean, pride's a topic that kids need to, We need to know about.
		It's an issue, you know?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, that is interesting.
		I want to get into that.
		But let's also introduce Josie.
		Josie, who are you?
unidentified		Hi, I am Josie.
		I am the redheaded libertarian on Twitter.
		I'm a wife, I'm a mother, I'm a blue state refugee, and I do outside media work at TimCast.com.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
		So let's jump right in.
		I think that's interesting that you said pride is something kids need to learn about because I think the argument with Target right now is it's something they shouldn't be learning about.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Having to explain, perhaps in the sense the way you're describing it is, perhaps in the sense that there is an ideological movement and that they're going to start coming across people who are espousing these things as opposed to what the left view is in that you should be teaching children about overt sexual proclivities.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		So Kirk's book is not about the LGBTQ stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's just about pride and humility. - Oh, okay, okay, okay, not, I thought you meant like pride in the, like it's pride month or whatever.
		Oh, okay, yeah, no, I agree.
		I think, you know, with Target, there's a lot of people saying, Target's always done this, and I'm like, yeah, well, I think parents are finally getting fed up with it.
		And I think the issue is, it's one thing to have a parade, it's one thing to have, you know, in this neighborhood, you're doing something.
		The problem has always been, many of these people are stepping over the line in that, like the pride parades, you have a lot of nudity, you have a lot of gratuitous adult activity happening on the streets, things that aren't legal, to be completely honest, I don't even know how, And it's been that way my whole life.
		But when it comes to the Target issue, I think it's parents are walking into Target and then they're seeing their kids are with them.
		And then I can't imagine what it must be like.
		And you guys can tell me having your seven year old say, you know, what is what is what is, you know, homosexual mean or what is LGBT refer to?
		And then now you're tasked with I haven't even talked to my kid about normal reproduction How are we jumping into kink and these other things, right?
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Yeah, it's confusing for him.
		I mean, my oldest is about to turn three, so I haven't been faced with that yet, personally.
		I know you have, Josie.
		But I could only imagine.
		It's got to be super confusing for kids.
		I mean, it's kind of confusing for me.
		So, yeah, they've just gone way too far, and I'm happy that the Christian conservative movements are flexing their muscle a little bit, you know, because a general principle in life is that what you get in life is what you allow, and Christian conservatives have just allowed They've allowed the corporations to slap them across the face time and time again.
		And so it's nice to see that this giant, this giant of the silent majority is starting to wake up a little bit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is interesting to me that we had a caller on Timcast IRL last night for the members show saying that, asking, do we think that allowing gay marriage opens the door to what we're seeing now?
unidentified		at the end.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And my response is the very traditional liberal response of, if two adults are going to go do something private in their own home, if they want to be there for each other in the hospital, I don't care about that.
		I think they should be allowed to be with the people they love and care about.
		The idea that because one thing happens, we now are faced with groomers and things like that, I disagree with.
		I think the issue is, it's one thing to say, look, those two people can do what they want.
		It's another thing to be like, we sat by and did nothing as people started trying to enter schools to groom children.
		The fact that there is this major backlash, I think, shows people are not accepting of everything.
		And I understand there's obviously a correlation, right?
		The pride flags, everyone, stuff like that.
		But I think the fact that you're even seeing traditional liberals be like, hey man, get that stuff away from kids, it shows that there's a red line for everybody that we may tolerate, or we may say, okay, you know, fine, like, we want to make sure everybody can be with people they love.
		But not when it comes to you indoctrinating kids and doing all that stuff.
		So I think the red line's there.
		I think people are pushing back.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's whenever it gets into the public square where kids are hanging out and kids are singing, that's whenever I think that we have to draw the red line.
		And I think churches have let us down.
		I think governments let us down in just letting it just be absolute chaos in the public square.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, to say governments let us down is, you know, like what else is new?
		But I also think it's institutional capture.
		The people who want to implement these policies will start taking roles in government knowing they will get the power over you and they will start implementing these cultural changes.
		Now you have in schools, kids being shown, I think, what was that, what was the book?
		I can't remember what state it was, the teacher brought in the book, it's called This Book is Gay?
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, overt adult activity descriptions.
		How to do it.
		It even explained to children how to use adult anonymous gay sex apps.
		And they're giving it to middle schoolers.
		They're kids who are like 10 or 11 years old.
unidentified		Whoa.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, okay, okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That woman should go to jail.
unidentified		100%.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not even kidding.
		That's a criminal charge to go to a child and be like, here's how you can go on these anonymous apps and engage.
		Like, what are you doing?
		You can't do that.
		This is what's happening when they start infiltrating these spaces.
		And I think you see two kinds of people.
		The overt, the people who infiltrate and then want these things in the schools, probably pedophiles.
		And then you have the ideologically captured, people who don't know, don't care, and just like, I'm going to do whatever the mob does.
		I'm going to do whatever the crowd does.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		They're just scared of speaking up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, they go along with it.
		Like, I don't think this teacher... Well, it's hard to say.
		On one hand, I'm like, Hockham's Razor would suggest a teacher who provides that information to these kids is a pedophile.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In the absence of evidence, the solution that makes the least amount of assumptions tends to be correct.
		But if we start to make more assumptions, if we get a little bit more conspiratorial, or maybe that's not the right word, it's this regular old teacher is ideologically captured by algorithms and press so that she's putting these books in front of kids just because it's popular.
		And I'm like, yeah, there's a strong possibility, but I look at like 60-30, I think, or 60-40.
		The simple answer is anybody who tries to teach a child how to use anonymous adult gay sex apps is probably just a pedophile.
unidentified		The thing that they do they conflate it with burning books if you don't let it happen so Porn's always been banned in school always been banned in schools.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		This is not a this is not a new thing, but they'll tell you no if Republicans are book burners if they if they don't let the kids read you're keeping kids from reading and then when they say this they put up books like to kill a mockingbird and They're not putting up genderqueer, which shows incest in two boys doing adult acts on each other.
		They're not saying it's these books that are horrific.
		They're saying it's these books about black people.
		So things so that the average listener is going to be like, well, that's bad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When we've got Genderqueer here, Ian bought it.
		And I think conservatives need to read it.
		They never do.
		And I've asked a ton of conservatives, like, have you read this book?
		And they're like, no, but I've seen the pictures.
		I'm like, you have to read this book.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		I feel like if I read that book here, this channel would get.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh no, hands down.
unidentified		Absolutely.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		But you wanna give it to middle schoolers?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If we were to read and show the pictures, if we did like a, we're gonna read Genderqueer, we get a strike, no question.
		It's got overt sex acts in it.
		But the book itself is about horrifying child abuse.
		And this person does not know they were severely abused.
		And so as someone who grew up in an extremely psychologically and emotionally abusive household, they think that's normal.
		And to them, because it's baseline, anyone who says there should be structure and there should be order is clearly a fascist.
		When you come from a world of total chaos, any amount of order is fascism.
		For the average person who understands there's a balance between order and chaos, authority and liberty, and we're trying to find the right balance, typically leaning towards liberty, we know what fascism is.
		When people like this are taking control and abusing people and... But yeah, in the book, the woman who claims to be non-binary explains how she couldn't read till she was 12.
		She would relieve herself outside.
		She would use pads, menstrual pads that were so old they were crusted with blood, which made her smell so awful that she had to be called into the counselor's office.
		The other kids would make fun of her over her surgery.
		Social awkwardness and inability to communicate properly and her stench.
		And so what ends up happening is this young woman conflates all of that social trauma with being a woman, saying, but boys don't have to do these things, therefore being a boy is better.
		And then in the book, she says she is sexually aroused at the thought of being a man.
		So that's what she says.
		The inference from that is, she says she's a teacher, If a woman says that she is sexually aroused at the thought of being a man, she does literally say that in the book.
		And then explains how she wants children to call her a man.
		I'm like, okay, I think this person's a pedophile.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's pedophilia.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		And she was sexually abused at a young age from my understanding with the book?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think, the book doesn't say that she was sexually abused.
unidentified		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She was emotionally, I think it's abusive to have your child urinate in the yard outside.
		I think it's abusive to have your kid not be able to read at 12.
		And she had to teach herself how to read because she wanted to read Harry Potter so bad.
		I mean, it's a horrible story.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		That's so sad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's abusive, extremely physically abusive, to send a girl going through puberty experiencing menstruation with dirty old pads crusted in blood.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That is when you get Child Protective Services to come in and say, something's wrong here.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		So what happens with a lot of people who are pedophiles is they were assaulted when they were children, which is why I assume that that was part of it.
		I've only read parts of this book, but she may have felt safe around children as a child because all the adults in her life were terrifying.
		You know, so now as an adult, She still feels safe around children, but that leads to sexual proclivities too, such as pedophilia.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well.
unidentified		You know, not an excuse, not defending it by any means, just explaining it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She says that she is an auto androphile.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That she is sexually aroused at the thought of her as a man.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then she has children call her male things.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, she is intentionally trying to use these children for her sexual kink.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		So this is the author saying these things?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's her memoir.
		And they put that book in middle schools.
		When I get into this stuff, I'm like, I can't believe this stuff.
		They have it in front of kids.
		I have a friend who is gay.
		And when I'm talking to her about it, I'm like, look, you know me.
		I don't care about you and the people you love and you care about.
		You're one of my best friends.
		I want you to be happy.
		But you gotta see this book.
		I mean, they're showing children these overt adult acts.
		And she said, no way.
		And I was like, let me show you the books.
		I have it.
		I show her the book and she goes, yeah, but there's no way that's in grade schools.
		And I'm like, let me pull up the story and show you that Ron DeSantis specifically was like, this should not.
		And when he tried to get it banned, they say he's banning books.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		You know what's ironic about the banning books thing, or burning books thing, is what the left is doing, they're taking Roald Dahl and they're editing his books.
		That is closer to book burning than saying no, children can't read this book.
		Everybody else can, children can't.
		It's putting a limit on this, like going into a store and buying pornography, you have to be 18.
		That's not book burning.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Are your books in schools?
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		We are in a very small amount of schools.
		You know, Scholastic is the big behemoth when it comes to kids' books.
		So they're the world's largest children's book publisher, but by far the largest children's book distributor.
		So they get all kids' books into schools, libraries, Barnes & Noble, bookstores, everything.
		And so, yeah, if you're really looking at sort of… Who to point fingers to?
		I mean, there's probably people that I'm not aware of groups that are making sure these get in curriculums and things like that.
		But Scholastic is definitely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Captured?
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, for sure.
unidentified		Wow.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		If you look at their, like, who owns the bulk of Scholastic, you see the same people, BlackRock, Vanguard.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's so crazy.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		They're the largest shareholders.
unidentified		They're trying to capture the world with CEI, DEI, and ESG.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's, I think it, look, I don't want to be conspiratorial.
		So, I often put it simply as, intent doesn't matter, actions and results matter.
		The implication is the actions, speaking louder than words, and the results are these people are Malthusian.
		They want less people.
		There's too many human beings on this planet.
		Now look, man, I'm not gonna disagree that we've got pollution problems, that people who live in cities live like slobs.
		I'm sorry, man.
		You know, I'm not trying to be mean to the average person, but...
		Living out in a rural area, you drive around and what do you see?
		I mean, people compost, people have gardens, people have animals, they produce a little bit of their own food.
		It's way more sustainable.
		You see solar panels everywhere because they've got good sunlight.
		You'll go to cities, it's the opposite.
		Hyper concentration of filth, pollution, garbage.
		So, look, I get it.
		But you end up with these massive multinational corporations that are actually plaguing society with ills and detriment.
		That's not going to improve things.
		Improving the system, if you're upset about it, is through what you're doing with these books for kids.
		It's teaching kids good moral behaviors.
		Instead, it feels like they're powerful elites who are just like, eh, let's just get rid of them.
		Let's, you know, we're not going to cull, but we will Sterilize, abort, and promote morbid obesity and other ails and things like that?
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, definitely.
		I see where you're coming from.
		But if there are going to be people, we want them sexualized from an early age.
		We want them confused.
		We want them... They're saying that.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		Yeah, not Brave Bucks.
unidentified		That's a weird thing for you to promote.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but I was thinking about this too, and I'm like, Intent is irrelevant, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You come out and say there's a large group of multi, of power, this is really funny, I said that the world is controlled by powerful elites, and then Media Matters called me a conspiracy theorist, and I was just like, if you go to Greta Thunberg and ask her if the world is controlled by powerful executives who have bad intentions and want to destroy the planet, she will say yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the oil companies, the big financial firms, I'm like, that's literally my point.
		But we don't even need to say that.
		You've got all of these policies that just end with one result, less human beings.
		And I was thinking about, okay, sterilizing kids is very obvious.
		You take a kid, put them on puberty blockers, the likelihood that they're able to have children drops substantially.
		Some may be able to get a few puberty blockers and resume normal puberty, but it's not absolute.
		There's gonna be a large amount of people.
		I was reading this website, we read it on IRL.
		It says, warning, you know, about this, you may never develop the ability to have sexual reproduction.
unidentified		Yeah, Mayo Clinic says that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you'll end up with people who can't have kids.
		You end up with people being sterilized, women getting mastectomies, young teenage girls getting mastectomies.
		And the end result is, these people can't have kids.
		Then you're promoting abortion.
		And then I thought about like, but what about the weird grooming stuff?
		I think what does that result in?
		Whether it's intentional or not, if you have people who grow up with a normal, healthy education and responsible parents, they're likely going to get married and have kids.
		That is like the default human behavior.
		But what if you start abusing them and twisting their minds?
		They'll grow up and start engaging in activities related to like weird objects and paraphilias, and those things don't result in children.
unidentified		So what is the suicide rate of the trans community?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My understanding is that it's very high.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not entirely sure.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		So they're inducting children into a cult with a high suicide rate, which goes right back to depopulization.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps.
		I mean, I do think it's fair to say that endocrine disruptors are a component as to why we're seeing so many trans kids right now.
		And it's not so simple to say it's all social.
		I do think there's a social element to it.
		And it could be Correlation and causation could come in either direction.
		That is to say, the reason we're seeing so much of this ideological bent in, you know, towards kids is because there are people who were born of endocrine disruption whose hormonal imbalances has resulted in them saying, this is who I am and I want what I see to be spread around.
		But I think if you look at genderqueer, it really breaks down very, very well what the bulk of what's happening is.
		Parents abused their child severely That kid does not understand it's abuse because it's normalized.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		And they have books about abuse that kids could read like The Cage of the Animals Up at Night and A Child Called It.
		These are books available to... I read them in middle school.
		But the theme of that book is that this was very bad and here is how I've overcome it and grown into a person.
		For her, it's like, this is because I was a woman.
		Like, she's faulting, you know, people, but also not understanding what happened to her.
		Like, but these other books have a reflective, like, I'm gonna tell you my experience, but I'm telling you from a point of knowing that it was wrong and it was bad now as an adult who's adjusted.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You were an ophthalmologist.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How did you go from that to making these books?
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Well, um, Started when I had my first daughter, Charlotte.
		But before that, so my fourth year of med school, I started a test prep publishing company, just because I started to get a sense that I was not going to like doing medicine full-time.
		So I started that.
		It grew and became pretty successful.
		I started a second publishing company where we did joke books.
		And then I was practicing a pretty good amount, not full-time.
		And then I became a Christian in 20...
		2019, early 2019.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Very, very quickly there.
		After that, met the woman who's now my wife, and we got married quickly, then had a had a kid in the summer of 2020.
		So this is like peak COVID craziness.
		Peak just craziness.
		And, and within the first few weeks of her life, you know, it's sort of like getting a new car where you see that new car everywhere, because it's raised in the love of your awareness.
		I had no idea that there was this indoctrination of our kids.
		Was not on my radar.
		When she was born, it was like, I was seeing it everywhere.
		I was seeing it, Barnes & Noble, the number one book on Amazon was Anti-Racist Baby.
		And then what really sort of put me over the edge was I saw that trailer for the film Cuties.
unidentified		Oh yeah.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		And you know, Charlotte, she's gonna be that age before I know it and just, I was thinking about the world that she's gonna be growing up in just I could not get out of my head for whatever reason and I was always thinking about about that that issue and and then this idea for Brave Books Freedom Island started to come into my to my mind and eventually it the the vision for it
		It was too fun, and it seemed like a fun fight to get into, and a worthwhile fight, you know, and it'd be a challenge.
		So eventually I decided to go for it and sent out some – my fear was that I didn't want to launch books, launch a company, and nobody hear about it.
		So I reached out to Different conservative influencers.
		Ashley St.
		Clair responded, wrote back, said, oh, I'd love to do this.
		This needs to happen, and worked with her.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Brilliant.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		First book was Elephants, Not Birds, and then started the Freedom Island Book Club, where our subscribers get a new book every single month that teaches a new traditional value.
		And then, yeah, the rest is history, and we've had a lot of success.
		We're up over 30 employees and growing, growing crazy.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I suppose to exemplify why this matters, Josie, you had an experience with, with your kids, your blue state refugee.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to tell that story?
unidentified		Sure.
unidentified		So, uh, I mean, there's a lot to my story.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		It's between the trans agenda and the COVID, everything that was happening when I lived in Massachusetts.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		So I have my oldest daughter is a tomboy or she was when we lived up in Massachusetts.
unidentified		She's much more girly now that we're in Florida.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		But I received an email from an adult in her life that was referring to her as a they them.
		And it took me some time to figure out what I was reading because it didn't make sense in the way they were doing the pronouns.
		And I thought there was like a group of people she was referring to.
		I read it a few times and then I realized my daughter was being misgendered.
		So I wrote the person back and I said, did she ask you to do that?
		And the person wrote back, no, I didn't want to assume though.
		And I was like, all right, this is kind of getting into some weird territory.
		My daughter had come home when she was 10 and told me, and at this time it's 10.
		So yeah, at this time it's 2020.
		So we're into the COVID.
unidentified		We're into the COVID stuff.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		So 2020, 2021.
		So she might have been 11 actually, now that I'm thinking about it.
		Yes, 11.
		So she comes home, we're able to like kind of see certain people, this and that, she comes home, and she'd seen a friend briefly, social distance, all that bullcrap that you have to do up there, and told me she was a lesbian.
		And I'm thinking, okay, 11 years old.
		Do you like girls?
		And she said, No.
		And I'm like, then, then you're not, you know, and she was like, started getting upset and like, well, they told me I was because of how I dressed and what I look like.
		And I was just like, all right, like, this is, this is just alarming to me at this point, like, these two things are coming from my daughter, based on what she looks like, based on the things she does, based on who she associates with.
		They're drawing these conclusions that they're trying to indoctrinate her into this cult.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But who told her?
		A teacher?
		A teacher told your daughter?
		Yeah.
		So why is a teacher going to an 11-year-old and saying, you're gay?
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Going to their mother.
		So this teacher referred to my daughter as a they-them to me, which is when I asked her, did she tell you to do that?
		And the teacher said, no, she didn't.
		So I'm not sure what was going on in the school, but I know to me, my daughter was a they-them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did your daughter say who was telling her she was a lesbian?
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		One of her friends, or two of her friends, two of her friends.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that, that's the issue with this, this, this stuff's not appropriate for children.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They don't know what they're talking about.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		She had no idea.
		Like I, I mean, she was, like I said, 11.
		So she had no idea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they were just insulting her.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		No, no, they, they were doing it, they were doing it in a way where they were, They wanted a gay friend.
unidentified		Oh wow.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Cause this is like a clout thing for kids now, you know, to show how accepting they are because of who their parents are and that.
		So that's what, what I got to the bottom of when I had really dug into what the, what the heck was going on was these kids would just wanted to have a gay friend.
		And so if they had a gay friend, then they were going to get points for having the gay friend, you know, and this is already 10, 11 years old figuring this out.
		Um, so, so I mean, that's, those were the two really big things that pushed Like me being like, all right, you know, we have to get out of this state.
		We have to get somewhere where this doesn't exist.
		Like, because I know my daughter.
		I know my daughter better than anybody.
		I know that she used to write her, you know, her crush's name on the heart and in a heart on the bathroom mirror.
		And it was a boy, not a girl, you know, because it's, it's deeply ingrained what your, what your sexuality is even as a child, you know, when it comes to, when it comes to that, because of how their parents model it.
		So, you know, I knew my daughter wasn't gay, but I knew she also had to, had been a little brainwashed at that point and had to figure it out herself.
		And this is stuff I've protected her from, like she doesn't know about the email from the teacher.
		She doesn't know how I dug in to figure out why.
		Her friends were calling her a lesbian, like she doesn't, she doesn't know any of that.
		This is stuff I protected her from because I could still protect her to an extent from the stuff that she had been exposed to where I couldn't protect her.
		So, so we moved to Florida and a lot of that had to do with COVID too, lots of stuff.
		So it was just everything coming down on that, but moved to Florida and we're there, we're there in Florida.
		It's, it's like about three months in and she tells me, I'm so happy here.
		I feel like I could be myself.
		I feel like when I lived up in Massachusetts, people expected me to be a certain way, and I couldn't get away from that.
		She's like, here, she's like, I have like a new start.
		So she's like, not as tomboyish anymore, you know, because girls outgrow being a tomboy when they're in middle school.
		But tomboys are also Targeted so hard by the queer agenda, because it targets mostly girls, because girls feel really uncomfortable going through puberty.
		We have very obvious changes to our bodies that make us uncomfortable, and that is normal.
		So the thing to do is to tell girls, this is normal to feel uncomfortable when your body is changing.
		Not to say, oh, that's because you were born in the wrong body.
		But girls are very easy targets for this agenda.
		And tomboys in particular, who are already starting to kind of present as Boyish.
		So she was a target.
		But we're living in Florida now.
		She's 14.
		She's beautiful.
		She has her first boyfriend.
		She wears pink.
		We did up her room in pink and gray.
unidentified		She still loves sports because that's who she is.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		But definitely not non-binary.
		Definitely not a lesbian.
		But these are things that were at a very impressionable age when her mind was so malleable They were coming at her with this stuff.
unidentified		Yep.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		And the fact that they came to me about the they-them, like I said, I have no idea if that happened in the school.
		I know it happened to me.
		I assume it was happening in the school.
unidentified		Yeah.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		I would make that assumption.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Well, kudos to you.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		What a great story of an example of a parent who, you know, fights for their kid.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		And knows their kid.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		I do want to say I didn't have a plan when we moved we just moved like that was it we sold the house and we got out because that's the big excuse a lot of people they're like oh I can't I don't have the resources I don't have I didn't you just you just you're like all right this is everything I've ever saved up and we're just gonna live One of the, there was a big controversy last night, the night before recording this, where what is a woman from Daily Wire was censored on Twitter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I believe now, as of recording this, it's totally unlocked and can be shared and everyone's starting to share it now and Elon's saying like the Streisand effect is gonna help it and carry and all that stuff.
		There's a clip from it where a dad, one of the clips that got banned, was a phone call with a dad whose daughter was taken and undergoing medical intervention.
		And the crazy thing to me was, Matt Walsh says, is your daughter on the cross-sex hormones?
		And he says, yes.
		The court mandated she can do what she wants.
		And I'm just kind of like, it's amazing to me that there are people who would say they would rather not have to deal with the struggle of moving, selling a house, They would rather not have to do that, even if it meant their child would be taken from them and placed in a medical intervention that would sterilize or destroy them.
		And it's just strange to me, but maybe, I don't know, I don't have kids.
		So I kind of just assumed that parents would do anything to save their kids.
		When I hear stories of people saying, like, I live in the city and I can't leave.
		And there's two takes on this.
		If I hear about someone who's like, look, my job's here.
		I'm not going to leave.
		And I'm like, It's kind of crazy that you would keep your children in these environments because it's not that it's impossible, but that it's just difficult.
		I'm like, wouldn't you run into a burning building for your kid?
		Is selling your house and moving the hardest thing?
		Now, to be fair, there are many people pointed out they literally can't leave for a variety of reasons.
		There are a lot of reasons people are stuck in cities, and that is where it gets scary.
		The notable one is there are many people who are like, my wife left me and took the kids.
		There's nothing I can do, and I'm not going to abandon them.
		I'm going to stay here and keep fighting for them.
		And I'm like, that I get.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Can't do anything about that.
		Yeah.
		But in the story of, you know, when I have people email saying like, look, I live here, my whole life's here, my family, my friends, I can't just up and leave.
		I'm like, I get that.
		But that's an emotional argument about it's really, really hard to leave.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My question is, if in five years your child has been placed on sterilization drugs of some sort, would you then think back and say, maybe I should have just left and moved?
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, or homeschool, you know.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yep, that's the other thing people are like, oh, I just can't, I just can't homeschool.
		You know, I get that because there are, you have a full-time job, you're a single parent, you can't homeschool, like I totally get that.
		There's co-ops, there's different ways to do it with people who are like-minded than you, there's private schools, there's charter schools that aren't all that bad, and you even do find some public schools that really have great school committees who are On top of this, especially in Florida.
		You're very lucky to find those.
		But what was on my radar when I was going through this in Massachusetts was that they were starting to talk about laws that would, if you didn't recognize your child's identity, they would take your child from you because it was child abuse.
		And they have those.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what that clip was about.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And they have that now.
		They have that.
		Where they can do that.
		They have these bills.
		They're called trans refugee bills.
		Have you seen these?
		Alright, so it's Minnesota, Washington, I think Maine's trying to pass one right now.
		So what these are is they say if you are a child, And you can't get your sex change in Florida, say, you can come to our state.
		We'll do it.
		We'll put you, we'll, we'll chop off your breasts.
		We'll put you on hormones.
		We'll do all of that, um, without your parents' consent.
		And we will not extradite you.
		So it is legalized trafficking, legalized kidnapping, mutilation, sterilization of children.
		And they have this in states now.
		And it was kind of the knee jerk reaction to Florida's bill saying, we're not going to sex change children here.
		This is what they did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Man, this all goes to dark places.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		And I think it's Washington.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Washington is where they can kidnap your child.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How do you have states that are becoming so hyper-polarized when it comes to the issue of abortion, when it comes to the issue of sex changes for children?
		You've got some states that are absolutist and some states that are abolitionist.
		And so, you know, using that language, of course, I wonder where this ends up.
		If, you know, a lot of people have said it's a good thing.
		I hear that a lot from conservatives.
		It's very interesting to me.
		They say, it's good that we're getting federalization.
		Let the blue states do what they want.
		And I'm like, okay, well, the blue states are saying they're going to take your kids without your consent or knowledge and they're going to sterilize them.
		Do you not think that law enforcement should be able to... If your child runs away to Washington At 1415.
		And the state of Washington then performs a sterilization procedure.
		Whatever the procedure may be.
		The federal government's not going to do anything for you.
		What do you do?
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's not much that you can do.
		If the Congress passed these laws, the Congress is in their states, their state legislatures passed these laws saying, oh, we're a trans refuge state now, is what they call them.
		So the police can't do anything because it's lawful.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Well, what is in our control as parents is what our kids are exposed to and how they're brought up.
		You know, I would imagine that these kids that get sent to Minnesota and California for sex change operations, they weren't brought up in a way where they were just instilled in truth and solid values.
		And they were left, they're children are vulnerable, and it sounds like they were left out with the wolves.
		And so to me, You know, some things that we can do as parents to make sure our kids don't end up, you know, as refugees to get sterilized is we teach them truth.
		We teach them right from wrong.
		We get them away from screens until they are like 16, 18, where their brains fully develop, their worldviews developed.
		We pay attention to who they hang out with.
		We ourselves – I think we – all of us need to do a better job of building stronger communities.
		Community in this country has just evaporated and it's left all of us vulnerable because we don't have those roots.
		Roots give us strength and purpose.
		And strong relationships that, hey, if I say something stupid here, I'm still going to be beloved back home because I have a strong community.
		But if all my relationships are online and they're fragile and they're shallow, then I'm vulnerable for groupthink and all of that.
		So I think it just comes down to we just need to do a better job with our kids as parents.
		And then I think a lot of these government – a lot of these issues Yes, you make a lot of really good points.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		I do want to point out, though, that a lot of children even raised in the best household, because of who they associate with, will rebel.
		And in the way that, you know, I may have rebelled as like a skater kid in the 90s, they might rebel as...
		Trans, they might rebel as non-binary, they might rebel in a different way to kind of set them apart, because that seems to be what this is a lot of the time.
		So it is very important to know your children's friends, to meet their parents, make sure that they're from a good home, something because if your child's going to be spending time there, then your child's going to be in that home too, and you want to just make sure that they're safe as well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know where we're headed?
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Where?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's going to be, and may already be, let's say you live in Texas.
		And you think, look, my kid goes to a good private school.
		We're good.
		Kid at the local park.
		You know, let's say your kid's 12 or whatever, riding bikes.
		And has got little friends, little Jimmy, Johnny, Sarah, and Jenna.
		And you're like, they're good kids, I see them playing, nothing weird out of the question.
		Your kid goes and hangs out with Jenna's parents at Jenna's house and they're having a birthday party and Jenna's parents are very woke.
		But also they know not to say these things to conservatives.
		They're very concerned if we say they may freak out and it could be bad for the child.
		And then without your knowledge, your kid is being told you're actually a lesbian.
		You're actually, yeah, I can tell by the way you dress.
		Did your parents tell you this?
		Did they let you know?
		And the kid says no, and it's like, they'll probably get really mad at you.
		This is very groomerish behavior.
		But you know where I see this going?
		With these new laws, it's only a matter of time before one of these kids says, do you feel like it?
		Yeah, you do?
		Yeah?
		Okay, get in the car.
		They drive him to Colorado or whatever state nearby.
		You now haven't heard from your kid.
		They bring them to Washington, and they say, this child is trans and needs the procedure.
		You freak out and call the police.
		Washington says they did nothing wrong.
		There's literally nothing wrong with what they did.
		It's protected under the law.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		That makes my skin crawl as a mom, that story.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now, I think Some iteration of that is the doors being opened because of the laws, the sanctuary laws that are being passed.
		Texas will still say something like, you kidnapped this child, and they'll say, do something, Washington's protecting us.
		The federal government, of course, and the Democrats are gonna be like, nothing wrong, nothing wrong happened.
		A child was being abused and they say, rescue the child, bye.
		And then you don't see your kid.
		Or when you do, they come back, they're sterile.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Oh my god.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		That's like a terrifying picture.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's frightening.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How would a child get to Washington?
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		They could take a bus or get a ride, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, another scenario is, one of your kid's friend's parents, because you don't know them, says, I'm gonna give you $100, you get on this bus, and you go to Washington, and you get the procedure.
		They're not gonna say anything like that.
		They're gonna say, people there will take care of you, and they'll go, okay, okay.
		And this kid is impressionable, doesn't understand.
		They get driven to the bus, and then the kid gets on the bus and says, I didn't do anything.
		The child told me that they were being abused, so I gave them some money.
		That's it.
		And then in Texas, they're gonna say, well, Jenna's parents didn't do anything wrong.
		And then you're gonna say, where is my child?
		Where did my kid go?
		And then you're gonna get a phone call two or three weeks later saying, this is Washington Department of Health and Human Services letting you know.
		We've provided gender-affirming care to your child, her breasts have been removed, she has, you know, undergone cross-ex hormones, and because of the concern of abuse, we will not be returning her to you.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		That's it, my kids aren't ever seeing friends again.
		Funny story about one of my daughter's friends, she gets a text from one of her friends in Florida and she goes, and he goes, is your mom the red-headed libertarian?
		And she goes, yeah.
		She goes, I was watching TimCast with my dad and I pointed out that's my daughter's name, mom, and he didn't believe me.
		So this is like the friend she just had at school.
		She hadn't been hanging out with him or anything.
unidentified		Oh wow.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		So yeah, he'd been over for like her birthday party or something.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		So I ended up bringing her to his house a few weeks later and like the dad comes out and the mom comes out and there's like, I'm like, your kid is not a liar.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is where it gets weird, because for me at least, I'm not Christian, but this is why church is so important.
		It's why I've praised Shabbat with Jewish families.
		It's why I think church is so important, because what you get with these are people of strong morals, meeting with each other, sharing a particular worldview, and it is a safe place.
		The thing I think I find absolutely fascinating about Shabbat Jewish families say disconnect Friday evening and it's family time until Saturday evening.
		And what that does is it creates a protective barrier against the ills of social media where your kids are trying to indoctrinate you and all these things.
		Now you have 24 hours where it's just the family together talking and then if a kid says something and say, let me explain to you.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The same thing with church.
		You have people on Sunday.
		They show up, they share a communal moral framework, they know each other, they trust each other, and it is substantially safer having your children associate.
		You know what really blew my mind?
		I was hanging out with Seamus Coghlan of Freedom Tunes.
		He was at church and, you know, he let us know, like, I'll be getting out around this time, we'll meet up.
		We meet up with them and we're hanging out outside of this church in Charlestown, West Virginia, and all of these little kids are wearing, they're dressed up, they have ties, they have button-up shirts, and I was just thinking to myself, like, Look, man, you can rag on religion and Christianity and whatever, and there's bad people of all backgrounds, but when I see a bunch of little kids dressed nicely, being polite, giggling, and having a good time, and then I think about what it was like in Chicago at these public schools, I'm like,
		Church is better for your kids.
		Religious schools.
		I wonder about this, you know, because I went to Catholic school when I was younger, and my parents, who were Christian, and my mom is still very Christian, said it wasn't about religion, it was about community and a good school that would raise kids right.
		That's why they wanted us to go there.
		And then eventually we encountered hard times, it became expensive, so public school was free, and that's what we opted for.
		But I do think it was very good for me to go from kindergarten until the end of fifth grade at a Catholic school, which was much more rigid, and then go to public school and go, my God.
		Like seeing what was going on in public schools was crazy.
		Drugs, drinking, these are middle schoolers.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		You were South Side, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Southwest.
		Okay.
		So it's the South Side.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		It's rough.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it's like slightly better than the like... South Side.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		South Side.
unidentified		Yeah.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you touched on a lot, but it's not a coincidence that as America – we used to be a strongly Christian country, and over the past 30, 40 years it's become more or less a secular country.
		And I think that's probably at the root of a lot of this, is you had stronger churches, you had just the overall culture was a Christian culture, and that was the standard.
		And as we've gone away from that, it's just, it's a lot of chaos, because we all want to be our own gods, you know, and being our own gods allow us to make our own rules of what's right and wrong, and that's a recipe for chaos, and I think that's what we're seeing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think a large component of the culture war is a Judeo-Christian moral framework versus no moral framework at all, or a fascistic moral framework that believes there is no truth but power.
		And that's the post-modernists, that's the neo-Marxists.
		They believe they're justified in lies and manipulation because the only thing that matters is whether or not you can wield power effectively.
		And there's some truth to that.
		People who have power can control people's minds and they can influence culture.
		And I suppose the interesting thing is, me, I believe there's a God.
		I believe beyond this universe, beyond us, there is something greater in however you want to describe it.
		I think it is infinitely ignorant to assume humans are the end-all be-all of consciousness.
		In which case, whether you believe in God or not, there is likely, mathematically, something more powerful, something more capable, more intelligent, wherever, however, whatever.
		And then you have people who just genuinely do not believe that.
		They believe they are the center of the universe and thus there will be done.
		And that is a creepy thing in my opinion.
		But I say that knowing they don't believe that.
		And one of the mistakes I think we make when it comes to the culture war is Telling someone, hey, this is wrong because of this, and in their mind, they don't care.
		You can say, it is creepy for you to believe you're God, and they think to themselves, ha ha ha, what an idiot.
		Because they believe they're God.
		They believe that we are figments of their imagination.
		And that's an extreme way to put it.
		But many of these people have this Satanist view, in a sense, of they are, you know, the end-all be-all, their existence, their reality.
		It is about them.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's Satanism.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		So you were explaining that your belief is that you don't follow a structured religion, but you believe there's a God or higher power or something overall?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, absolutely.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		So that is deism.
		It's actually what many of our founding fathers who came here as evangelicals of other Christian religions, most of them, many of them, Thomas Paine, George Washington, many of them ended up moving more as they were As they were building this country and writing the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, and as they were figuring out natural rights and deciding that, many of them started gearing more toward deism.
		Like, okay, maybe it's not that there is a structured religion, but there is something greater than us to answer to, or something greater than us that created us.
		And so deism, that's a lot what... Smart guys!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I do think, if you look at the Christian moral framework, There's obvious... You can always look back at anything and be like, look how evil it was.
		Anything.
		People talk about, you know, oh, the slave trade in the United States, how evil the founding of this country was.
		And then I'm like, let's go back a little bit further.
		Oh, how evil it was for these African nations to capture and sell off their enemies as slaves.
		There's evil everywhere.
		Let's try and get rid of that and maintain the good.
		And so I look at... I love bringing up this point because I get to...
		Challenge Bill Maher.
		Bill Maher, his whole worldview is a Christian moral framework.
		There's no question.
		And he doesn't understand this.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		He thinks he's an atheist?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He is an atheist, and that's fine, but as long as he understands his moral framework is Christian.
		What he doesn't understand, his view that you are innocent until proven guilty, his belief in free speech, These things are rooted in the Judeo-Christian moral framework.
		There's differences between Jewish moral framework and Christian moral framework, but they heavily overlap.
		People in China don't have that concept of innocent until proven guilty.
		They did not develop a culture based on these biblical moral frameworks.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There are things in the Bible that we now deem very bad.
		You know, talk about slavery and stuff.
		Yeah, we've moved beyond that.
		We respect the rights of humans, but we've built and retained, built upon and retained some of the best ideas.
		The easiest example I often use is the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.
		If there's but one righteous man, you know, I will spare the city.
		And that is the root of innocent until proven guilty.
		That's where Blackstone's formulation originates, that's where Benjamin Franklin's quote originates, and that's how we get the Fifth and Sixth Amendments.
		That's how we, as the American people, protect the innocent and have created the greatest nation this world has ever seen.
		In China, which is becoming very powerful, they did not have that.
		They've never had that, so what do they get?
		Well, Chinese communism.
		They have feudalism, they have imperialism, and now they have Chinese communism.
		In their world, in their perspective, there is no innocent until proven guilty.
		It is, you're accused of a crime, we remove you from society because you are dangerous, and then we'll figure it out.
		So, for someone like Bill Maher to say, I believe this, that, this, and we should run these things, the woke are bad, they're cultists, and all, whatever he wants to say, I'm like, Dennis Prager called it cut flower politics, I believe.
		The root.
		The flower has been cut from the root and it still looks beautiful for a little bit but then starts to decay.
		And Bill Maher represents that in that there are so many good ideas he has that he doesn't understand are unique to a Christian moral framework.
		And that it doesn't mean you need to believe in God, but you can certainly understand the teachings that we've chosen to keep as to why they're a good thing.
		And that's where I come back to, I think the church is a massive net positive in building community, bringing people together.
		Getting rid of the bad ideas and progressing with the good ideas.
		Here's the challenge the church has, in my opinion.
		This country still is majority Christian, like 70% I think, somewhere around there.
unidentified		They're too tolerant.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely too tolerant.
		A lot of live and let live, yeah.
		And it's to a certain degree virtuous, but But not really.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tolerance to a certain degree just becomes letting your child jump off a cliff.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So at a certain point, we say we want to love, let live and respect.
		But you have to recognize that there will always be a red line.
		And if you don't enforce that, this is what you get.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		If you let the devil in into the public square, then And chaos ensues.
		And the churches have not done their role well in protecting all of us and our kids.
		And it's a shame.
		Yeah.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		So something interesting about how our country's rooted in Judeo-Christian, because people will push back on that immediately and say, no it's not.
		But it is, because the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, all of these things are rooted from, they took a lot of that from the Magna Carta.
		The Magna Carta is rooted in Judeo-Christian Principles.
		And that was their major, that was like their outline for what they were going to do to our country, was the Magna Carta.
		So that's a truth, you know, and people will push back against that, saying it's not a Christian country, but technically.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you mentioned, you know, the Founding Fathers being deist, many of them overt Christians.
		Obviously this country was like 99.9% Christian back then.
		And so to say that, it's strange to me that the Left makes the argument that the country was intended to be secular, and it's like, no.
		I'm pretty sure there are quotes about, because Seamus definitely loves to bring this up, that the country is intended for a religious people, or something like that, a moral... Yes, Jefferson.
unidentified		Yeah.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yep, Jefferson has a quote.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember it off the top of my head, but it was something about that, like, if this country will not stand if there is not a moral framework, essentially, was what Jefferson's quote was.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because there's too much freedom.
unidentified		And, you know, with capitalism... Morality is a red line.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		The red line shouldn't come from government.
unidentified		It should come from our own God-given conscience.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		And so when there isn't that, capitalism, democracy turns into not very good systems.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		So when it comes to atrocities like abortion, I always look to Dr. Ron Paul about this.
		He says, abortion should be unthinkable, not illegal.
		All right?
		Because it should be such an unthinkable It's a tragic, awful thing to happen that the government doesn't need to get involved because there's no reason to make it illegal because our moral framework is so fixed that this is bad.
		This is objectively bad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I say it all the time.
		Laws are meaningless.
		The Constitution, unfortunately, meaningless.
		Now, I don't mean that in an absolute sense.
		What I mean to say is the meaning of the Constitution is absolutely fantastic.
		The meaning of the Bill of Rights and many of the amendments, many of them, not all of them, are fantastic.
		The concept is brilliant.
		But it only works if you agree.
		If there are three people in a room, someone says, hey, if we order pizza, we all split the bill.
		You say, yes.
		The pizza shows up, everybody eats, and then one guy says, I ain't paying anything.
		What can you do about it?
		You can say, get out.
		You can say, we won't do deals with you anymore.
		But the reality is, the agreement you had is meaningless if people are unwilling to abide by it.
		We have a Constitution in this country which sets forth the framework for how the country operates.
		Typically when we mention the Constitution, it's really fascinating to me, we're talking about the Bill of Rights, specifically.
		Because the Constitution has a lot of stuff in it, like here's how the executive branch operates.
		We really mean the Bill of Rights, the amendments that were added to it.
		So it is the Constitution.
		The amendments are completely meaningless to a society that is moving towards chaos and no moral framework.
		Because sooner or later, if we don't resist the breakdown, you get a knock on the door, and there's a police officer saying, you engaged in hate speech.
		Why?
		You bought a pride flag and you burned it.
		And then they say, because of that, you're under arrest.
		And you say, but it's my property.
		Burning flags is constitutional protection.
		They're like, we don't care what the Constitution says.
		You've offended us, and we have power.
		Turn around, put your hands behind your back or else.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		This is why you got to get to red states.
		For sure.
		I mean, pick your red state well, but blue states that that's going to happen in blue states.
		It's less likely to happen in a red state, they tend to, you know, not care not do anything, which is what conservatives can kind of be famous for is not Doing anything like being a big talk, but not really walking a walk.
		So that's my recommendation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I did it you should do it, too I think we should We can play that game.
		Mm-hmm if they say that burning a pride flag is hate speech and intimidation than burning an American flag is too because National a nation of origin is a protected class.
		There you go So if someone is choosing to destroy an American flag, let's hate speech You got to play their own game better than them.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		That's how you beat them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I You know, in the end, I think if you own a flag, you should be allowed to burn it, just safely.
		Like, it's funny when the left tries to burn an American flag in the middle of the street, and the cops stop, you know, stop them from doing it.
		And they're like, this is protected under the Constitution.
		It's like, no, no, no, you misunderstand.
		Not in a public space where you are threatening the lives of other people by starting large fires.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps on your own property where you're legally allowed to have fires, you can burn your own property within reason because there's even laws against... I'm pretty sure it might be illegal to burn a flag because of the chemicals that are in it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, dyes or whatever they use or the synthetics and stuff like that.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		It's all about getting that clip of the cops stopping them from burning the flag for level one thinkers who don't realize that they're being stopped because They're going to start a fire and kill people in a public space.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think one thing that should start happening is parents should sue schools that have pride imagery in the classroom and say these symbols are antagonistic and offensive to Christians and Christians are protected class.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		I think Florida parents can push back on things.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure if that's one of them, but Florida parents are able to.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In Massachusetts, there is a kid who wore a shirt that said, there are two genders.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Mm, saw that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they said, you can't wear that because it's offensive to people of different gender identities.
		He didn't insult anybody.
		He stated a scientific fact.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now granted, they changed the definition of gender.
		You can make it mean whatever you want to mean.
		But why is that offensive to anybody?
		Okay, if that's the case, if they say this innocuous statement is offensive, I say the pride flag is offensive.
		But the problem is conservatives just play defense.
		So they wear the shirt, smugly smile, and then get sued, and then told to take the shirt off.
		And I'm like, sue them!
		Make them take their- the judge ruled the kid can't wear the shirt until the case is settled.
		It's like, okay.
		In the mean- I would demand to the judge that any other symbols that are deemed offensive by Christians be removed from the class as well.
		And I guarantee you, you can get 1 million signatures from Christians saying pride flags are offensive.
		Overnight.
		I'd be willing to bet if I went right now and said, Fill out this form if you're a Christian who finds pride imagery offensive.
		Then, here you go, your honor.
		Here's one million people I think that warrants this is offensive to a protected class.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's bastardizing the covenant with God.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly my point.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, exactly.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		They've taken God's covenant with man and turned it into, you know, celebrating gay sex.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		That's offensive.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But Christians don't do anything about it.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		So what is the best way for conservatives to start being on the offense?
		I mean, I think we have to engage with our kids and we have to teach them values.
		That's what Brave Books has done.
		And we have to build our own communities.
		What else?
		Like, how else do we take the country back?
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		If they come for you, you come for them.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		So it's about more than just being a great parent and having a community.
unidentified		It's like if the outsiders come for you, then you go for the outsiders.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		While also, you know, minding your business, taking care of your family and doing your community and all of that.
		But you gotta stop the outsiders and hit them back.
		Because that's a lot of... We mind our business, which is wonderful, but also... Lawsuits.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Elections.
		I mean, these people are determined.
		I don't know what happened, but you have a left that is driven By this vitriolic rage and you have a complacent traditional class.
		I don't even like to say conservative because what we're seeing on the culture war is disaffected liberals.
		Even Bill Maher is now more and more complaining about the left and he's a secular guy.
		I think ultimately you have to... We're starting to see it though.
		I'm not saying this to be like, oh the end is nigh and we're doomed.
		I actually feel fairly optimistic, especially with what you guys are doing.
		Clearly there is a red line and people have been pushed up against the wall and they're starting to get angry about it.
		You gotta sue.
		You can't just be sued.
		Or, you know, what they're doing is, in Massachusetts, they're suing saying the kid can wear this.
		How did it get to the point where the kid was told not to in the first place?
		Why do you have to sue?
		It's because you don't sue.
		So be proactive.
		I say, anybody who hears this, if your kids are in a school with pride flags, file a lawsuit now.
		Reach out to like America First Legal or something.
		There are tons of non-profits that will sue and say, this symbol is a... In fact, you can even approach it another way.
		The rainbow's a religious iconography.
		It is God's covenant, and them putting it in the schools is a violation of separation of church and state.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		I like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not, uh-oh.
		No, this is the pride flag.
		It means, uh, Bible.
		It was a symbol of God's covenant and you're sneaking it in.
		Now, you don't need to do that.
		I think you should outright just say it's an offensive symbol because it appropriates God's covenant as an insult to Christians.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And if they don't, if they say we disagree, be like, it doesn't matter if you agree or not.
		That kid was told he can't wear the two genders shirt by a judge.
		Judge says you can't wear it.
		Now it's pending, but he says, while it's pending, you can't wear it.
		I say, okay.
		If the basis for which you cannot wear a shirt is someone got offended, take them pride flags down right now.
		You can't play that game.
		And unfortunately, this kid and his family and the legal team, their mentality is, we don't complain when you put up the pride flag because you're allowed to believe what you want.
		I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
		No complain!
		The schools should not be putting up religious iconography.
		I view the pride flag as religious.
		It is a non-theistic religion.
		It has all the tenets of religion.
		It has the structures of religion.
		And just because you say, but it's not.
		Sorry, you can't play the game.
		When the schools tried to introduce creationist curriculum, they said, no, it's religious.
		Nothing about creationism is religious.
		In fact, it could be simulist.
		It is a scientific perspective, the universe is in fact a simulation, in which case the concept of basic creation is a scientific thesis.
		Nope, it's banned.
		It's religious.
		Okay, well then, pride, Marxism, all that stuff, religion, get it out of the schools.
		CRT, et cetera.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, it seems like It seems like fighting on their turf is a losing battle, and the public education system, they've been captured.
		And I think we need to be innovative and come up with – just redesign.
		Redesign things.
		Redesign schools.
		Redesign communities.
		There's all sorts of – I don't know how we're still doing school the same way and that there's not options.
		But states should support entrepreneurship in schools.
		There's all sorts of ideas.
		I've got an idea for what I think would be an awesome school.
		It's like a mix between Hogwarts, homesteading, and military training.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm following.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		You break kids up into like four houses, you get a plot of land, four acres or so, and this house is responsible for this acre, and they've got their animals, their farm, and they engage in some commerce, and they're competing sort of against the other houses.
		That's a great idea.
		And then, you know, engaging in some military tactics training, physical, you know, especially boys, you know, it would be all boys, science contests.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You think only in all boys school?
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		I think you could do... Well, I think boys need to be around each other.
		Boys and girls are different.
		You could do girls something very similar, but maybe not so physical and military type stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, right.
		Yeah.
		I like the idea.
		It's brilliant.
		I think it should be a co-ed school, but I think you can have boys and girls programs.
		So it's like the boys at this time will go and do this training, the girls at this time will go and do this kind of training, but they still socially interact.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so maybe there's girls in their own Houses, you know like Hogwarts like Hogwarts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, actually did they do none?
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		No, they were mixed they were mixed in the video game.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're not mixed Oh, really?
		Yeah in the video game you have to choose which which which dorm you go and the boys and girls are separate, huh?
		Boys, maybe it's the movies that did them that way but I just want to say this You'll get the Millennials.
		You know you do.
		You set it up and you call it Hogwarts.
		You don't call it military training.
		You call it Defense Against the Dark Arts.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then you go to millennial urban liberal parents and say, it's like a Hogwarts thing.
		The kids are sorted.
		We don't really have a sorting hat.
		That's not possible.
unidentified		But it's a fun experience where the kids get to... You can put it in AI.
unidentified		AI can sort them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We have them answer personality tests, and then they get sorted into different houses, and you call it the Hogwarts experience, or you say, it's not Hogwarts, because, you know, it's copyrighted, but we want kids to have a summer camp experience where they get to be like they're going to Hogwarts, and it's not real magic, but, you know, the Defense Against the Dark Arts will be like, we'll teach the kids a little taekwondo, a little karate and stuff.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		You're gonna learn the Bible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can't bring that to the millennial parent.
unidentified		Magic book.
unidentified		The magic book.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The magic book.
		There will be magic books and things like that.
		But then you'll get millennial parents be like, oh, that sounds like so much fun!
		And then what's actually happening is, whether you get the Bible in there or not, you give kids a structure, you give them obedience.
		I think It's a good way to actually get liberal parents to bring their kids out to something that may introduce these traditional moral values without being so overt.
		Summer camp.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Two months, you get sorted into one of four houses.
		They play sports against each other.
		They still interact with each other.
		Nobody's trying to make anybody against each other, but they have their team, basically, and they get a plot of land.
		They can learn how to garden, and there'll be animals, and it'll be so much fun.
		And then when the kids come there, they get real moral life training.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a good idea.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's all sorts of opportunities like that for just creativity and building new things.
		And to me, that's what we're trying to do at Brave Books.
		And I think it's a better way to go about it than I don't know.
		It's like – I want to care for kids that are in public schools because I grew up in a public school.
		You don't want to just forgo that, but it seems like a losing battle, at least for the time being, until… There's a spiritual revival across the country that changes all these institutions.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Peterson, who had talked about this in one of his clips that I watched, said, boys should be playing all the time to the point of exhaustion.
unidentified		Yes, I agree.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Every single day.
		And so at this point, he was saying schools are structured all wrong for boys.
		He goes, boys need to play like sunup to sundown, constantly like roughhousing, touching, running, like everything.
		And he said, but instead people are like, oh, my child has ADHD.
		And so they put him on drugs and instead of just, and then they're like, I bet your child doesn't have ADHD.
		This is what Dr. Peterson said.
		He's like, I bet you, your child can sit in front of a video game and play that straight through with no interruptions because they don't, They don't have ADHD.
		They just need to be a boy.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think schools are trash.
		And if I was going to structure some kind of learning facility, it would be there's got to be games.
		It's not about play the video game, have fun, you walk away.
		It's about this child must learn strategic thinking, forward thinking.
		So chess is a bit rudimentary.
		I don't know if I would advocate for something like that.
		But I do think a variety of games would be very, very good for kids.
		Pokemon cards, excellent for children.
		It's great.
		You have to plan ahead.
		You have to think about what your opponent has in his cards.
		And Pokemon's very popular, so it's a great opportunity to teach kids about probabilities, to teach them about strategic thinking, and again, forward thinking.
		Schools are all the same.
		Sit down, read the book, do the homework. - Take the standardized test. - Yeah, it's nonsense.
		It's not helping anybody become a well-rounded person.
		If this country took every child and started teaching, First of all, in this country, we skip ages zero through five, which is psychotic.
		Those are the most important years of a human being's life.
		And what do we do?
		Nothing.
		They just hang around with mom and they put them in front of the iPad and they ignore them.
		Kids should be learning the moment they can learn whatever they can learn.
		They should be, you know, teach them.
		A lot of people make the mistake of thinking kids are stupid.
		They're not stupid.
		They're ignorant.
		Because it takes a long time to learn and gather information and then connect the dots of the information, which is wisdom.
		That means a child who is four years old is not stupid.
		You just have to give them that information.
		And it's always remarkable to me when people say things like, well, they're too young to learn that.
		I'm like, no, they're not.
		It may take them a long time to figure things out, but you have to start immediately with like A, B, C, D. You don't wait until they've experienced the world.
		So we skipped that.
		But I think if this country gave every kid in school physical, like gym is nonsense.
		We need actual physical play.
		Dodgeball is so much fun.
		Not everybody likes dodgeball.
		Some kids don't like it.
		You got to figure out what they do like.
		And kids have to be given structure.
		So if there's a kid who's like, I don't want to do it, be like, you're going to do something.
		If you don't want to play the game, let's get some jumping jacks, get some pushups.
		And you make the kid do it.
		Not to the point where the kid's hurt or anything like that.
		You just, you have to understand, kids don't know.
		And so you say, you don't wanna play dodgeball?
		Totally get it.
		Can be stressful for a lot of people.
		Jumping jacks, now.
		Let's do, I forgot what a lot of these things are called.
		Make them run laps.
		And it's like, to many of these liberals, running laps sounds like punishment.
		And I'm like, no, have them go for a run.
		Find out what they like.
		Are they an individualist?
		Do they like skateboarding?
		Do they like martial arts?
		Do they like team sports?
		Find it.
		Then you want strategic games.
		It's not just about, to the point of physical exhaustion, mental exhaustion.
		That kid, there should be an hour every day of kids doing physical activity, and then doing mental activity.
		Imagine what school would be like if you were like, alright, at noon, we're all gonna go out and play some sport.
		It's not gonna be, go do whatever you want, recess.
		It's gonna be literally, we're gonna find games to play.
	Then, when you're back, it's Pokemon card time.
	Kids would be like, dude, so cool, like wow, they'd be so excited.
	And then you got all the kids in the room learning strategy, forward thinking, and memory.
	How many cards are in your deck?
	You can have four of each card.
	You've drawn two of that card.
	You have two cards left.
	There's 50 cards left in your deck.
	What's the probability that card's gonna come up and you're gonna win this turn?
	That's the stuff you learn when you're playing games like this.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you also learn the social aspects of it, too.
		You can't go and celebrate in front of everybody's faces.
		You have to be a gracious winner and loser.
		And to me, just to piggyback on that, one thing I think is super valuable that we teach our youth is just the practical knowledge.
		Things like how to fix things around the house, how to get your hands dirty.
		Like my kids, I really want to teach them To be in touch with the land, you know, to, to how to grow things, how to raise chickens and animals and things like that.
		I mean, that's, that's so healthy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We used to do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you know, what's crazy is that, um, the funny thing about sex ed is that it used to be decently simpler in that kids grew up on a farm.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we've seen that happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
		And parents would protect their kids to a certain degree and then eventually be like, you know, kids grow up, they generally understand this.
		And so it wasn't as shocking to a kid to first hear when you're exposed to these animals.
		But think about how crazy that is.
		Wasn't it up until I think like the early 1900s, on average, a family had one cow?
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You had a cow.
		You had your family cow.
		And you got milk.
		And then you'd be like, who's got a bull?
		And then they'd come and the bull would sire your cow and then you'd get milk.
		And then you get another cow and then you could you have two cows now and the cow just eats the grass.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, there's so many benefits there.
		One, typically, you know, from my understanding of Our culture in like the 1800s where everybody was doing a little bit of farming and homesteading.
		It forced community because not everybody could have the full on thing.
		So you were barring, you were barring goats to make, you know, and so it creates community for kids there.
		They have some responsibility that's meaningful, you know, like a cow, that's a life that that you're responsible for.
		And kids can play a role in that to go milk it, to, you know, to pick up the eggs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And you're just in touch with Nature in touch with reality and it's so it's it's a it's a great way to learn just getting your hands dirty I wonder if we should also have at a certain age you know that they do that thing where they give the kid an egg and it's like protect your egg for a week oh yeah I did that in a health yeah I think they should actually be like we're going to incubate an egg and you're going to have a chick And guess what?
		Sadly, some chicks may die.
		We had a baby chick just die.
		Nothing we could have done about it.
		We are very good to our chickens.
		These are chickens.
		These are 1% of chickens.
		These chickens are like the billionaires of the chicken world.
		Chicken City, gated walls, automatic door.
unidentified		There's nothing more you could do to them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People can watch them online.
		It's a show that the food comes down.
		But so we had these babies that we hatched and one died.
		The Cochin, we have chicken.
		It's a fluffy, short little chicken.
		She brooded and hatched, I think, two eggs, and they're not her babies, but she did it anyway, because she had the eggs, and then she hatched them, and now there's two little babies running around, it's great.
		And then the silkies had four babies, three of them died.
		We let the silkies do their thing.
		They hatched some babies, the babies were born, and then three of them ended up dying.
		That was entirely on the chickens.
		You have kids raise some chicks, some will die.
		And then I think, you know what you do if the chick dies?
		You incubate and raise another one.
		Teach these kids the responsibility of protecting life, of what you need to protect that life.
		And I imagine this, for one, obviously, I love chickens because they're hilarious.
		They're so funny.
		They're just goofy little, they're great pets.
		And they give you eggs.
		But you have a kid who hatches their own baby chick.
		It's theirs.
		There's an emotional attachment to it, as there should be.
		Gotta get food.
		Baby chick needs water and food.
		If you don't get it to them, they're gonna die.
		Where do you get it?
		Then, you attach that to some kind of responsibility with the school, or whatever program the kid is doing.
		We're not just gonna give you the food.
		If you need the food, like, upon completing this test, we will.
		Obviously, you have to have some kind of emergency failsafe.
		You're not going to let the baby chick starve.
		But you've got to be like, you can't just have free food.
		And they're going to say, but my chick is hungry.
		It's crying and be like, take the test, finish it.
		I'll give you the, or sweep the floor.
		I'll give you the food.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		My daughter's school has a 4-H program that does this.
unidentified		Oh, that's cool.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		It's middle school.
		Yep, middle school.
		So her best friend, all year, raised a pig.
		And every day, her, and every morning and every night, her mom would have to bring her to the place where the pig was because the pig was, the pig stays on its farm.
		But it's the daughter's responsibility.
unidentified		The daughter would go every day, feed the pig twice a day, every day.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		And that was like, it was such a responsibility because, I mean, they really couldn't not do it.
		You know, the pig would suffer.
		Yeah.
		So at the end of this year where she took care of the pig, she had to bring it to the fair and sell it to be a meat pig.
		She named it.
		I mean, it was everything.
		So they do that.
		They also, though, do it with rabbits and chickens where you don't have to have to do that.
unidentified		You know, like you actually get to keep the rabbits and the chickens that you raise at the end of the year.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Rabbits are hard to keep as pets.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, but those are, so she's gonna be getting into this 4-H in eighth grade, which is what she's going into, and she's gonna do it too.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		We're not doing a pig, but I was thinking of doing chickens.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Chickens are good.
		What's funny is every rural conservative who's listened to this is laughing.
		They're like, what do you mean have them learn how to raise chickens in school?
		The kids have already raised 500 chickens in our backyard as it is.
		We're on like, you know, or we've got 12 chickens already and we've already incubated for this year.
		Kids who live on the country, you don't need to teach them that they learned it already.
		I genuinely think the problem that we have right now is cities have become plague-infested garbage holes.
		And the policies of these politicians, whether intentional or not, are destroying them.
		Democrats.
		And it's unfortunate, but I don't know what there is to be done.
		I mean, the way a human being should live is more reflected in conservative rural lifestyles than it is in urban environments.
		We're not meant to live in clouds of brake dust.
		You know, Ian brings up all the time, inhaling all this garbage and brake dust and dirt and grime and oil and chemicals.
		You can't produce food in a city.
		Maybe garden on your roof if you're wealthy enough to have a roof access.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and these kids don't touch grass ever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Seriously.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		They're not grounded.
		It's a concrete jungle.
		There's no grass to touch.
		And this is so, so important.
		I guess I was raised in a rural area, so I had a huge acre yard, and there was grass.
		I was an outdoor kid, you know?
		And my kids are also outdoor kids.
		It was such a blessing to be able to have that.
		I mean, even as an adult, I go outside, I take my shoes off, I touch grass, and it's just like, you're just rooted in it.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		You were touching on something in the beginning where you were saying that this trans movement may have something to do with our endocrine system.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Would you mind talking more about that?
		I mean, because... The plastics and stuff.
		Yeah, I know our testosterone levels are dropping.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, I think it's plastics.
		We had James Lindsay on, Tim Castellaro, and he said, there's no such thing as a trans kid, and I said, I disagree.
		Clearly, you know, however you want to define it, there are kids who are experiencing gender dysphoria or social, rapid onset gender dysphoria, social, whatever.
		There are people, I think Blaire White was asked, when did she know she was trans?
		And she said, she was a very, very little kid, you know, and it was just apparent to her.
		And, you know, that gets me thinking about, obviously there are social pressures.
		I think that is a very large component of this, especially among young girls who are looking for likes and social validation more so than boys maybe.
		But, you know, both boys and girls seek social validation.
		I think girls just a little bit more than boys.
		What we do know, and we've known for a long time, because I've been reading about this since I was a teenager, birth controls in the drinking water in cities.
		It gets through the filtration systems, and it's in the water in trace amounts or something like that.
		We know that phthalates, PCBs, which is poly- Polycarbonates?
		Polychlorobiphenols or something like that, I don't know.
		But what it is, are you sure?
		Serge is saying I'm right.
		I'm like, okay, I don't know.
		It's like- Thanks, Serge.
		Yeah, I know about phthalates.
		When did plastic start becoming ubiquitous?
		End of the 60s, end of the 70s, we started seeing more and more plastic products.
		I went to an antique store, and it's all the stuff from the 50s is metal and glass.
		You're not getting these chemicals into your system.
		Here's what I see happening.
		With the expansion of plastics in every facet of life, everything we drink, everything we eat is wrapped in it.
		We know that endocrine disruptors, chemicals are leaching into our foods.
		Enter the 80s.
		You get the parents, the boomers of the millennial generation.
		The first generation to have subsisted off of plastic-entrenched products are now getting pregnant and consuming foods laced with endocrine disruptors.
		Brings you to the millennial generation.
		You see this uptick in LGBTQ and trans and these things.
		Then you get Gen Xers.
		They're having kids, which is Gen Z. There's an overlap, I know, it's a wave, it's not analog.
		But you'll get between the Baby Boomers and the Gen Xers, Gen Z, which is absolute saturation of these endocrine-disrupting chemicals in our food supply, in our water.
		And now you see Gen Z being very heavily LGBTQ or whatever.
		Many on the right, and the culture war right, but also disaffected liberals, immediately say, social.
		And I say, probably a large component, but we've known anti-Korean disruptors do this for decades.
		We have known, there are studies, you can read, that says certain birth control was masculinizing female fetuses.
		And they found that women who took a certain birth control, who had daughters, had like an eight times higher chance of that daughter being a lesbian.
		The introduction of that birth control is new.
		It just happened.
		So we have to reconcile with that fact that endocrine disruptors likely are.
		I mean, look, we've got, I'm looking right now at our stock bar.
		Everything's plastic.
		Granted, the booze is all glass bottles.
		We get the good stuff.
		But we've got honey sticks, plastic tubes, candy wrappers, plastic wrappers, vitamins, plastic bottles, all that stuff leeches in.
		And then that has an impact on fetal development.
		So why is the testosterone is dropping?
		This is probably a huge component of it.
		It can't just be that all of a sudden humans started to evolve to not have testosterone.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Try Guys, the famous BuzzFeed video from 10 years ago or however long it was, where these four guys get their T levels checked and they have the testosterone of 80 year old men.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Shocking!
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a combination of, in my opinion, endocrine disruptors, but also there is a social component.
		Not exercising, not eating meat.
		Testosterone is heavily tied to fat consumption and exercise.
		So if you're eating a lot of fat, you're eating a lot of protein and working out, your body is more testosterone.
		That plays a role too.
		So social elements there for sure.
		Guys who want social validation aren't getting it so much from being ripped and being strong.
		That still does exist, but it's now from weird social behaviors.
		We have social media behaviors.
		We now have, you know, hey you can be famous and successful if you prance around and shake your butt and do kink stuff and drag stuff.
		So obviously there are guys who are seeking validation in that direction.
		But I do believe a large component comes from chemical saturation in the food products that we consume.
		And big pharma.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Can endocrine disruptors, like disruption be undone?
		Or is it like, nope, you're permanently- It may be permanent.
		Yeah, so that's terrifying.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But we can reverse that trend by, so you'll notice that all the waters that we have- Glass bottles.
		Glass bottles.
		We do have plastic bottles, don't get me wrong, we have because we, but I always tell people like, when it comes to the water in this studio and the stuff that I drink, Filtered?
		It's double nine-stage filtered glass bottles.
unidentified		I love it.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		I am interrupting my endocrine as we speak with my smart water.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's not absolute.
		I don't I think it's subtle.
		I think what we're looking at is not that plastic is guaranteed to make a child trans.
		It's that if you have a hundred million human beings born and the endocrine disruption rate is 0.02.
		You're gonna get some.
		You're gonna have tens of thousands.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean 0.02 you're looking at hundreds of thousands of people who are going to be Gender non-binary or something like that, or be atypical in their sexual development.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		You know what's weird about the cross between, like, liberals and conservatives?
		Liberals used to be the earthy-crunchy, like, stay-away-from-the-chemicals, GMOs, and now they're like, inject me with this, this, you know?
		Like, it's incredible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Big pharma-me-daddy.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Exactly!
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Then you get conservatives and libertarians, and they have chicken farms, and they source their own meat.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But they've always had chicken farms.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I'll just say they do all these things that otherwise, that are more organic, I guess.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is crazy to me.
		You know, you look at the conservatives of 10 or 15 years ago, and there's a big difference.
		They were much more industrialist, and you had a lot of leftist hippies.
		The liberals were very capitalist too, don't get me wrong.
		The Democrats, of course, they were just, you know, I don't know.
		They still do feign that environmental stuff, but it's fascinating that in the past few years, It used to be the hippie-dippie leftists who were anti-vaxxers.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they were like, now it's like conservative MAGA hat wearing rural people being like, I don't trust Big Pharma!
		But I do think the reason that is, is because Trump ignited a large portion of the country who didn't normally vote.
		And these are regular salt-of-the-earth people and working class people.
		So that they don't trust these big companies.
		And especially when it comes to Big Pharma.
		The opioid crisis devastated West Virginia and many of these communities.
		So they're not trusting of it.
		This is why I was on Twitter the other day.
		I called Tom Morello a fascist.
		Because fascist means bad guy.
		The left will call you or anyone else a fascist.
		It's meaningless.
		But Tom Morello posted this meme where he was like, in Germany they say if nine Nazis are sitting at a table and one person who's not a Nazi is there, you have ten Nazis or whatever.
		And I'm like, oh, so he's a fascist.
		Because he's associated with corporatists and authoritarians.
		He's promoted massive government control and no-bid, no-liability contracts for major multinational corporations.
		So if we're going the lucrative merger of corporation and state fascist route, that's him.
		And then I get these lefties being like, you're wrong.
		Fascism isn't that I don't care what you say, dude.
unidentified		You're a fascist all the time for being a libertarian, which just it's nonsense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I just say, look, if you can call anybody a fascist, it just means bad guy.
		Tom Morello, certainly that.
		But we're talking about a guy who started a band called Rage Against the Machine, and I love the mindless cult-like mentality of liberals in that I criticize Tom Morello, and the response I get is, it's funny how conservatives don't know what these songs are about.
		It's like, dude, I can play those songs on the guitar!
		I know what he's saying when he's saying killing in the name of and when he calls the police the chosen whites.
		I know all about that.
		That's why I grew up punk rock and traditionally liberal and actually for a while very far left because I'm like racism is bad.
		But here's the thing.
		When I say racism is bad and then y'all come out and create POC rooms and non-POC room, I'm like, you are exactly what I was talking about when I said racism was bad.
		So when you come out and you say, some of those that run forces are the same that burn crosses, and I'm like, yep, I know all about that.
		And then when I say we want to end racial prejudice and segregation, and you bring out Derrick Bell, who writes a book that says discrimination is a good thing, that's what he claims, I'm like, y'all are the bad guys.
		Here's the problem for conservatives and people in the culture war right.
		They assume that when the left said racism is bad, there was an agreement.
		They thought the agreement was, I have a dream that one day my four little children will be judged based on the content of the character, not the color of their skin.
		No, this was a mistake.
		I learned this the hard way.
		I know a lefty guy.
		He told me, because we had, you know, associated with each other back during Occupy.
		I was like, what happened, man?
		You used to support free speech.
		And he goes, no, no, you misunderstand.
		We knew that you did, and we exploited you because we wanted to shift the narrative in our direction.
		So if you were attacking the establishment, we were on your side.
		Now that we have gained establishment power, you are threatening our control.
		So when the left said we oppose racism, what they were really talking about was structures of Judeo-Christian moral framework and values, and now that that's starting to erode, those of us that were actually talking about people disparaging others based on race are seeing that.
		They're saying, no, no, no, the left does want to segregate based on race.
		They were using us and those of us that believed in true meritocracy, individuality, who believe that all people are created equal.
		Those were lies.
		They didn't really believe that.
		They just saw us as a means to an end to subvert the system so they can act their version of it.
		That's why they changed the definitions.
		That's why, so, you know.
unidentified		Well, I've got a question for you.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		So we started off talking a little bit about the Target stuff.
		So when I saw the Bud Light thing, My assumption – well, one, it was super cool to see the Christian Conservatives boycott and really hurt their pocketbooks.
		And I was like, okay, this is the path.
		And then I see Target and Ford just sort of voluntarily step in front of the conservative shooting squad.
		- Yup. - And, but so that just, that blew my mind because they had to know what was gonna happen, but they did it anyway.
		And then I saw a thread – I didn't finish all of it as long, but it was really good – where you were talking about ESG scores, and I was like, is there a second form of currency that's starting to be developed?
		In the way of like social score.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the woke credit score.
		So my thought about this as you explained it to me is, so Bud Light's getting all the flack, right?
		So they all have, as I wrote in that thread, they all have to meet these demands by the HRC who sends these lobbyists out with these demands that you need to meet these demands or We're going to take your funding.
		We're going to take your advertisers.
		Nobody's going to do business with you.
		We're going to penalize anybody who works with you, right?
		So Bud Light is getting all the flack from this because they have to do it.
		They have to abide by that or they don't exist, right?
		But then at the same time, they abide by it and they lose their customers and they don't exist, right?
		So there's just no winning, but they're trying to comply to hope that maybe they'll survive.
		So I think as Bud Light is in the public getting all of this flack, Ford and Target are like, okay, I think now's a good time.
		Now's a good time to jump out there because, like, the attention is on Bud Light, but that's not how it works.
		Everybody pays attention to everything.
		And as Tim had said last night on IRL, he pulled up the stocks, right?
unidentified		So Bud Light, or Budweiser, Anheuser-Busch, right?
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so Anheuser-Busch, their stock, you know, going, and then the Dillon Mulvaney stuff happens, and it drops a little, but then it goes back up because, as Tim said, he's like, okay, well, these people are thinking, and we're going to buy at the dip because boycotts don't work, right?
		And then, you know, they keep going and Anheuser-Busch keeps pushing it and pushing it and then it just plummets, right?
		Target, that didn't happen.
		They just dropped off.
		There was no by the dip at all because they realized, perhaps, boycotts work now, you know?
		So it's interesting.
		We're kind of in uncharged waters with that.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		But what's the motivation for Target and Ford?
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		For them to come out at that time or for them to be doing this?
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so are they hoping to please the big banks for future access to like cheap debt or something?
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		I think that they were, while all the attention was on Budweiser, I think they were hoping that they could come out and meet their demands while everybody was distracted by Bud Light and they could come out and be Come out and have this woke agenda.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		While the attention was on Bud Light, because everybody has to do it.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		All the big corporations that identify as American have to do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think while that HRC stuff and ESG, all that stuff does play a big role in this, access to capital is tied to ESG and things like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I really do think it's just, people have mentioned, Target's been doing the pride display for a long time, like 10 years or whatever.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		I think it was the tucking stuff that got people and the baby outfits with the Pride stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it's become socially normal.
		And every year, every Pride month, what I think happens is you have institutional capture where woke ideology is intentionally pushing this.
		And the problem is that I think the right doesn't shock the system.
		So what happens is, right now you have these policies in businesses, like we were reading about Dallas doing this, the government says you have to use someone's pronouns.
		In New York State, I believe state, I know for, well let's just say city, because I know for a fact I've read the City Human Rights Code.
		you must use someone's pronouns.
		But pronouns are only used typically when someone's not near you.
		Like when I'm talking to you, I don't say, he would like, like, what?
		I'm right here, dude.
		But when you're not around, I would say, oh, Trent was over, he was saying X.
		To use someone's pronouns is only when they're not around, It makes no sense.
		Now, it's possible you could be near me and you can say something like, hey, are there any staplers?
		And then I can go, oh, hey, Josie, do you have a stapler?
		Trent was asking for it.
		He's looking for, he's trying to finish some paperwork.
		You might be an earshot of it.
		But it's typically when someone's talking about you.
		What happens is people don't experience the pronoun thing all that often.
		They may experience a person who's non-binary or whatever, and they're told to say she, her, or whatever, or they, them, and they go, okay, whatever, it doesn't really affect me.
		But where this goes is increasingly more extreme.
		What is happening is that our culture is being shifted incrementally in ways that are not seemingly unreasonable.
		And while there are conservatives who are like, it is unreasonable, I will not use your pronouns, most people are like, I don't want the conflict.
		So the conservatives need to introduce it to them.
		Instead of saying something like, I'm not using your pronoun, what happens is, we'll put it this way.
		You'll have a jury and it will be, maybe the guy committed the crime.
		Let's just get out of here.
		The jury room, they say, look, it seems like he's guilty.
		Can we all just say guilty and go home?
		And one guy goes, no.
		And they say, look, just say he's guilty.
		Social pressure.
		Just do it.
		It's easier.
		I remember when I was a kid, we were hanging out at this, there's like a construction site off of this main busy road, and we were skating around, and some guy walks up to me and my friends, and he's got a walkie-talkie, and he goes, turn around, hands against the car now!
		And I was like, who are you?
		And then my friends go, shut up, just do it, just do it!
		And I'm like, what, who is this guy?
		And he goes, don't back talk, hands against the car now!
		And they both look at me and go, Tim, do it!
		And I'm like, fine.
		And then the guy starts laughing, he goes, you guys are idiots.
		He was a construction worker, he wasn't a cop.
		So what happens is people fearing conflict will say, let me just give in.
		They don't want to resist.
unidentified		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's, if you want to play the game, we'll play the game.
		If you are a conservative, a disaffected liberal, libertarian, anti-woke, whatever, and you're in a workplace where they've mandated this stuff through DEI, tell the DEI instructor during your training that your pronouns are glob globodon.
		And they'll say, what was that?
		Glob, globidon, globidon self.
		It makes me feel good.
		And here's the reality.
		You know it'll make you feel good to say it, right?
		It's asserting yourself.
		And if they ask you, why do you want those pronouns?
		You say, it makes me feel like I matter.
		It makes me feel like you will respect what I'm asking of you.
		And that's a true statement.
		When you're at work and they're telling you you have to do something, you say, okay, then I want you to do it too.
		Don't disrespect me, it makes me feel bad.
		Now all of a sudden you're going to have co-workers being like, Globdon self?
		I can't remember that.
		I'm not saying that.
		And then you can be like, you will be fired unless you do.
		Shock the framework.
		If you let them slowly push everybody, what's going to happen is you're going to be like, I don't want to say Z. And they'll be like, just say it so we can go home.
		I don't want to waste time here.
		Okay.
		Make it hard for them to do that.
		Make your co-workers say, you know what?
		This new pronoun policy is insane.
		I can't remember.
		Glah-ba-dee-ba-dee-dawn.
		I don't know it.
		My pronouns are tuna, nana, shabba, depression, and bada-kaff care.
		And next, no rest in self.
		And if they say, those are not real pronouns, be like, yes, they are.
		They make me feel valid.
		When you say that, it makes me feel like I actually have some control in my life.
		True statement.
		If they're coming to you and trying to take the power from you to force you to say something you don't want, tell them you want them to say something they don't want.
		Use, to the truest extent, their own policies.
		But here's what happens.
		As I stated, the average person will say, just say she, she, her, they, them, he, her.
		It's not that hard.
		We don't want to be fighting about it.
		We just want to go home.
		Uh-oh, I can't remember Nexenol Rest and Self.
		Practice.
		No, that's too much work for me.
		Make it more difficult to engage in the policy than it is to just go along with it.
		And then you'll get regular people protesting and complaining and saying, you can't punish me for this.
		I don't understand what's happening.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Only way to do it.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		So that's interesting that the city of New York has that, because that's compelled speech, to force somebody to say something.
		That's right.
		And it's compelled speech.
		So it's the city of New York, so that's a government, that's a local government saying, we're compelling your speech, and you need to abide by it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tell them your pronoun is something they don't wanna say, you know?
		Like, I say glabadibidown or whatever, it's like, no, say it's, you know, give them something like, that they're gonna be like, ooh, Master.
		Your Majesty.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Majesty.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My liege.
		It's spelled M-I-L-E-E-J.
		It's like, I'm not going to call you my liege.
		Be like.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		You just did.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		You have to.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		My liege, yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My pronoun.
		No, you're confusing the English words my and liege with my liege.
		M-I-L-E-E-J, my liege.
		Just say it.
		You have to.
		And then they're going to be uncomfortable and be like, I am not calling you that.
		Imagine you have somebody... Oh, here's a good one for you guys.
		You work with someone you don't like, right?
		You're in an office and like, oh, old catty Debra!
		Tell her from now on she has to call you your majesty.
		Or my liege.
		My liege is good.
		Lord.
		And she's gonna be like, I am not calling you that!
		And be like, I'll go to HR right now and say you won't use my pronouns.
		From now, in New York, you can have any name you want.
		Regardless of what's on your ID, it is protected.
		Tell them your name is Lord.
		Lord John.
		King.
		Call me King.
		That's my name now.
		And they'll say no.
		They'll be like, if you don't, I will report you for not respecting my gender identity.
		And when they say then do it, say, okay.
		And you don't gotta be specific.
		You go to HR and say, I told them my pronouns and they yelled at me.
		And they told me no and they insulted me.
		And if it happens again, I will sue you and they will freak out.
		And they'll go to the person and say, I don't care what the pronouns are.
		He was saying King and so, I don't care.
		It is policy.
		You have to do it.
		It is the law.
		And then the person you absolutely don't like working with, who is mean and rude to you, is going, here are your documents, King.
unidentified		And you go, thank you, servant.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and then I guess the strategy is ultimately, if everybody did that, they'd have to just get rid of the policy.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because then that person will be like, then you got to call me, King.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it'll be like, okay.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And then what up and say, Oh, okay, then I'm Lord and Master.
		Now you gotta call me Lord and Master.
		And they're back.
		I was calling you King.
		I am not gonna.
		You want to play the game?
		We'll play the game.
		My liege.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		So why?
		Why are things so crazy?
		Like what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Cultural decay.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		That's what you think it is?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, For whatever reason, over a long enough period of time, people squander what they inherited.
		The Founding Fathers had it pretty difficult.
		And the revolutionary period was over 20 years.
		It's remarkable that people understand that the American War for Independence was not like, we declare independence and then like we go to war.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like 1776 done.
		No, it lasted for years.
		It's 20 years.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Before 1776.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		There was the Boston Tea Party.
		The Boston Massacre was 1770.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		They had the TX.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Tea Party was, what?
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		1773 Tea Party.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tea Party, right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was three years after the massacre.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Three years!
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The revolutionary period began.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		There's the Stamp Act, the Tea Act.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		In the 1760s.
unidentified		1760s.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That means a new, it was, there were people born in the revolutionary period while all this was going on, who then fought the war for independence.
		These people, born into a world where an oppressive force was targeting them, was stealing from them, and they lived that.
		And then they said, when they said, we declare independence, they said, I am ready to fight for this new nation.
		They gifted what they had fought for to their children, who then gifted that country to their children.
		And then some of them gifted it to another generation, but around that period you get a civil war.
		80 years later.
		So this is maybe three generations on.
		And they had to fight to preserve.
		You see, they squandered to a certain degree and fought over and then had to fight again.
		Then you get World War I and World War II.
		Strassau Generational Theory.
		We are now in a period of this country where nobody's fought for anything.
		Self-entitled, narcissistic, lazy.
		I'm not saying every millennial.
		I'm not saying every Gen Z-er.
		I'm saying more and more we are seeing the emergence of Narcissistic entitlement.
		People who demand without doing the work.
		And of course, if people don't do work, things don't exist.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		I think a lot of them are just, they want to be a part of something big.
		Like, our generation was 9-11.
		That was our something big.
		That was something that united us all.
		That was something we could all get behind.
		Something that we all thought we were Gonna fight for justice.
		Like, you know, we're kind of like we're figuring it out because like we were kids at the time, like both of us were high school aged.
		So, so, so that was like our thing.
		But now we're 20, 25 years away from it, you know, 23 years away from it.
		And we have a generation of kids who don't have that.
		So it's like everything that happens has to be their thing.
		It's like, Oh my God, Me Too movement.
		That's our thing.
		Black Lives Matter.
		That's our thing.
		No purpose.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But also they're narcissists.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not all of them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of them.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of them.
unidentified		Yeah, there was that study about the left-wing and narcissistic personalities.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This work is beneath me.
		I should be famous.
		The demand for fame is terrifying.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Or they don't see the value in work in and of itself.
		They think that work has to be activism.
		Because they think that that's their purpose.
		That's where they're going to get fulfillment.
		And they don't realize that that's not going to work.
unidentified		Fulfillment comes from relationship with your creator.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		You look at some of the communists and they're like, you know, what's your job going to be after the revolution?
		I'm going to run a farm.
		It's like you sleep till noon.
		You have no idea about running a farm, you know, because they've just been activists their whole lives and they have this fantasy that they're just gonna live on a farm and everything's gonna be happy and they're gonna paint and that's not reality.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I would love to work on a farm.
		I wake up with the sun every day to wake up at the crack of dawn to get out there and go hang out the chickens for a little bit, collect some eggs, chop some wood, tend to the animals.
		That day sounds amazing.
		You're getting physically active, you're getting sweaty, you're feeling good, you're productive.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Getting sun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're getting sun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Talk about, that's the way humans are supposed to be living.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		100%.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Good hard work, roll up your sleeves.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes I wonder how much of what we're seeing with all the craziness is just part of an empire that's On its way out, you know, like all empires, they're cyclical and they fall.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		I'm worried about what's going to replace our empire.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't, I'm not worried.
		I'm glad it's happening.
		The empire is the wokeness.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I was thinking of the constitutional empire.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the constitution.
		No, no, no.
		This country was subverted a long time ago and it's institutionally captured.
		The same people who are woke are the ones waving Ukraine flags.
		The people who want international war and conflict and invasion in Syria and these other countries, they overlap almost one-for-one with woke people.
		Not completely, but very much so.
		Like when you see these, without naming any of them, when I see leftist, high-profile YouTubers with a million subs, and I mean leftist, not liberal, Saying, look, we don't like Joe Biden, but we can't have Trump.
		I'm like, oh, please, your overlap is apparent.
		I would vote for Dave Smith, but I understand voting for Trump on the foreign policy issue.
		What I see is empire in decline.
		And that is wokeness.
		When the empire crumbles, and it looks like it is because they cannot maintain Joe Biden, come on.
		The international, the liberal world order, they called it.
		The CFR, Council on Foreign Relations, calls it the liberal world order.
		And it's breaking apart.
		And when it does, yeah, we'll have problems with China.
		But we will be better off.
		Greatly.
		We will have better, stronger borders.
		We will start rebuilding community.
		Our constitution will be reinforced.
		Wokeness will not be able to exist because anti-meritocratic policies and ideas cannot survive without life support.
		Without the printing of money, the Federal Reserve, and international conflict, wokeness evaporates overnight.
		And people who wanna eat have to work.
		And it's not gonna be the hardest life in the world.
		It's just gonna be, you don't get to write BuzzFeed articles about Brad Pitt's junk and get paid $90,000 a year.
		That's psychotic.
		No, you're gonna have to go and like, plant a garden, and learn some basic animal care, and you're gonna live pretty well.
		It's remarkable that the left believes that medieval peasants had more time off than they did.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yes, left.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		But I'm like... Not knowing how to run a farm thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No one's stopping you from going and working on a farm.
		No one's... You can go out right now.
		They would love to have you.
		And many of these farms pay like 14 bucks an hour for labor.
		They're like, you know, the medieval peasants got a hundred days off and they got sun.
		And it's like, dude, if you want to go pick berries, I know people who've done it.
		I knew somebody who worked at Starbucks and then said, this is boring.
		And then looked online and found farms.
		And they said, we pay 14 bucks an hour for daily crop harvesting and stuff like that.
		And they went and started picking fruit.
		And they're like, it is so cool to go out with a little cart full of apples and stuff, bring it back in and then watch them do the sorting.
		I make 14 bucks an hour.
		I'm like, I'm out in the sun all day.
		I get sweaty, I get exercise.
		It's so much fun.
		And they were like, I just needed a side job and I wanted to get out into nature.
		And I'm like, see that right there?
		See, I believe you.
		These people who are in cities and like, I should be a medieval peasant.
		Like, okay, go work on a farm.
		They don't want to do it.
		They want to do nothing.
		Or they want to be famous for something.
		I love, you know what I love?
		I love when these people quote themselves on the internet.
		They'll write something and then put it in quotes and put their name under it.
		You just quote yourself.
		And it's like, there is a general understanding in just because somebody of repute said it doesn't mean that it's better said than what you said.
		But there's a reason why we quote people, and it's not because one day they said something and we decided we're going to attach ourselves to it.
		It's because there's someone who has contributed greatly and then presented us with an idea.
		And it resonated.
		Right.
		But I just think this generation, Millennials, and a lot of Gen Z. I do think Gen Z has a lot of really, really great components to it.
		I think Gen Z-ers are seeing the ills of Millennials, and I believe Millennials are the worst.
		I think that if you were to look at like, if we're going to do, this is fascinating, if we're going to do like a flat line, it's like the older generation to the younger generation, and then a deviation scale, it's like the boomers have a little bit, Gen Xers have a little bit more, Millennials spike really high, and then Gen Z is a little bit higher than Gen X, but way lower than Millennials.
		In that, whatever happened to Millennials, man?
		Broke the brains of a generation that not even Gen Z experiences.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		I think it's because, I mean, millennials, I'm in the zennial category, it's the micro generation, and this generation, you're probably in it too, it had to go through... Zennial?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm a millennial.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're a millennial.
unidentified		So I think it's 78 to 85, so it put me right at the end.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm 86.
		Yeah, so you're just out of it, but we had to go through, at a very impressionable age, we had to learn, we had to go from analog to digital.
		So, and we had to learn this at like middle school, like right through middle school and high school, and we had to switch how we did life.
		And it didn't make sense.
		And then we were the first ones on the internet, you know, so we had the ALO.
		And so we had to kind of like, we had connections.
		We were the last group of people to play outside and bike to our friend's house and knock on the door.
		That doesn't happen anymore.
		We're the last generation to do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or not knowing where your friends were.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, not knowing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm 10.
		I go to my friend's house, knock on the door.
		You know, is Jason home?
unidentified		Nope.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you know where he is?
unidentified		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He went riding his bike.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, I guess I'm not hanging out with him today.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was, we're the last generation to have that, you know, so we had to like relearn how to exist.
		And it tapped into a lot of narcissism.
		I mean, it tapped into It coaxed out a lot of mental illness and stuff too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a component.
		Maybe it's the trophy, participation trophy awards.
		And then I think once you start introducing participation trophies, millennials start developing this narcissism and entitlement.
		Then with Gen Z, with everyone already getting it, they're meaningless.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		So that's why they want to be famous.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So for the, so look at it this way, the millennials are raised in a culture where it's like, get a trophy and you're good.
		And they go, ooh, I wanna win a trophy.
		Then they say, we're gonna give you a trophy no matter what you do.
		And they're like, oh, I get a trophy.
		I should get a trophy.
		Trophies are good things.
		Then Gen Z is raised where everyone has trophies and they're like, who cares?
		Everyone has one.
		It's meaningless to me.
		So that kind of reduces the deviation towards narcissism to a certain degree.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		It's like a demoralization to- It is.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		There's nothing to work for.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The problem is Gen Z, I think, more than any generation, lacks skills.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that is not an insult to Gen Z, it's an insult to Gen X, and to a certain degree, Boomers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, I love Boomers because they've made so much awesome stuff, but man, they did not raise Millennials well.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		No, they didn't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's sad, because there were a ton of opportunities for it.
		Star Trek The Next Generation should have been mandatory watching in schools.
		The problem with schools is that they have detached themselves from the world, and it makes no sense.
		Our culture does things.
		Finance, pop culture, physical activity, mental activity.
		What do schools do?
		An interrogative sentence ends in a question mark.
		An imperative sentence... Ends in a period, yeah.
		How important was that ever to my life?
		I guess I can tell someone those things.
		History is very important.
		But I think you get a show like Star Trek The Next Generation.
		It was the biggest show on television at the time.
		It was syndicated on multiple networks.
		And I'm not literally saying every day play an episode, but playing an episode at least once in a school year to say, this is what your parents are watching.
		This is why they're watching it.
		Take a look at this show so you can see, and you can ask me questions about what the show is, how does it work?
		And then you get a kid saying, Why is this show so popular?
		And the teacher would say, you know, honestly, I don't know.
		I have an opinion on it.
		It's dramatic.
		There's action.
		There's philosophy.
		It's so popular, and it's on three networks.
		Do you know what a network is?
		Right, you've seen it.
		You've watched ABC, right?
		Well, this airs on these channels, CBS and, you know, UPN.
		It's syndicated, meaning it's explaining common, worldly things to kids so they can understand it, is what I think we need to introduce.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the Boomers seemed like they were a very self-focused generation and just sort of, you know, did passive parenting to a T and weren't... I don't want to be like my parents.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My parents were strict.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, made you a good person.
		Yeah.
		Star Trek The Next Generation is, in my opinion, will always be looked at as one of the greatest philosophical and artistic feats that humanity has created.
		Just anybody who's not watched the show, they're like, that's nerd stuff, now you're wrong.
		When Picard talks about... I'll tell you.
		There is a character named Data.
		For those that don't know Star Trek, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
		For those that don't...
		Data's an android.
		He's the only of his kind, for the most part.
		He ends up having a brother and another brother.
		They're androids that were created by a scientist.
		They are sentient life.
		There's an episode where a tribunal occurs where they try to determine whether or not he is entitled to civil rights or not as a creature or a machine.
		Amazing philosophical arguments about the inherent rights of life.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But the best, well, there's just so much good stuff.
		One of the best, Is when Data the Android creates a progeny, and he says it is the function of all life to reproduce, and I thought it imperative that I do the same.
		And so he creates Lol, a daughter, and then Starfleet officers outranking Captain Picard say, You will order Data to hand his child over to the state.
		They don't say it like that.
		They say, you need to understand that Data being the only of his kind, we need to be able to preserve and replicate this information and knowledge so that Data and what he is can persist.
		And so they go and they say, you are property.
		Actually, I think this might be the same episode where they determine whether or not he's... No, no, no, they're different, they're different.
		One episode they want Data to turn himself over so they can research him and study him.
		And the other, they want to take his daughter from him.
		And Captain Picard says...
		I will defy those orders.
		He says, you know, Data, you are hereby ordered to turn over your daughter.
		And Data says, okay.
		And Picard says, belay that order.
		And they go, excuse me?
		And then the Admiral says, you are risking your career, Picard.
		And he goes like, so what?
		I will not allow the state to take this man's child.
		And I'm just like, that's the kind of moral framework that influences a lot of what I believe, a lot of what people in this country believe.
		And then, the best.
		The best.
		There are four lights.
		It's a meme.
		Most people have heard it.
		Maybe they don't know where it comes from.
		Captain Picard is being tortured by an adversarial alien race.
		And the gull, is his rank, brings him in and says, Picard, we're both, you know, ranking men.
		We're both men of repute, blah, blah, blah.
		And he's like, I can give you a good life.
		He lies to him and says, Starfleet's being destroyed.
		Our armada is wiping them out.
		You've lost the war.
		Why don't you live comfortably on Cardassia?
		That's their planet.
		And he's like, why don't you live comfortably?
		And he says, all you have to do is tell me, how many lights do you see?
		And Picard, who's been stripped of his clothes and is wearing a torture device, says, there are four lights.
		Shock.
		Tortured.
		And he falls down writhing in agony.
		You're mistaken.
		There are five lights.
		Now tell me, how many lights do you see?
		And Picard says, four.
		And he shocks him again.
		And it created this cultural meme, there are four lights.
		The refusal to deny reality.
		Today, what do we have?
		What is two plus two equal?
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
unidentified		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Four or five.
		How remarkable that replicated in the real world.
		They would demand of you.
		You say two plus two is five.
		No, it's four.
		And they ask you again.
unidentified		You're mistaken.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You don't want to lose your job, do you?
		You don't want your children taken from you, do you?
		So for me to sit here and proudly talk about Star Trek The Next Generation.
		But this is why, because these questions of morality were given through a pop culture TV show that inspired so many people that people who were inspired conveyed in these ideas.
		And if you're not a big fan of like the sci-fi elements, what you really have in this show is naval tradition, the military ranks, naval exploration.
		You could do the whole show As, uh, on Earth, with a seafaring vessel, during World War, you know, during World War II, replace the alien race with a foreign nationality torturing someone, doing the exact same things, the ideas are brilliant.
		And conveying that morality is so important in my opinion.
		So, when I look at something like that, I grew up on that, I was inspired by that, I believe in that.
		I also recognize children today who are growing up on neo-Marxist garbage, when they're my age, they're gonna say, I remember the Transformers episode, when Starscream said he was non-binary, and I felt so much in my heart.
		They're gonna say that.
		We need them to be exposed to the ideas of classical liberalism.
		And I don't mean American-style colloquial liberalism, I mean the founding fathers' views of what it means to be a good citizen, to be responsible, but to have your rights protected.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so this sort of comes back to Brave Books a little bit.
		Our vision for Brave Books is when kids hit three years old, their parents or grandparents subscribe them to our little Freedom Island Book Club.
		And they get a new book every single month, a picture book, for about four or five years and it switches over to two chapter books.
		And basically, the topics that we hit, the stories.
		grow with the kids, but they grow up in our world.
		And that world, like our whole brand, our whole business is built on trust with our, with our customers that we're not going to go woke and, and they're going to grow up in a safe place for their imaginations to run wild.
		Cause they need that.
		It's so helpful.
		You know, it obviously made an impact on you.
		And right now they don't have that all, all the, all the brands are corrupted and they need those heroes, those worlds of stories that resonate with them that, that, you know, cause it's like you talk, you want to talk to your kid about whatever it is, gender identity, all that.
		You You, we're used to talking to adults and we talk to adults through, you know, conceptual type language.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Memes.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		But, but the way to reach a kid is to tell a story.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		And then that gives you the framework to then have a conversation.
		And so like with our books, we, we design them to where we have a story is like two thirds of it.
		And then the back, we have these games and discussion questions so that The story serves as the framework to then have a conversation between you and your kids.
		And our hope is that, you know, they'll bring families together, start conversations, so that the parent becomes the primary resource that kids look to when they're confronted with whatever.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		You know what's really great about the style of how you do this?
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		You said they get a book once a month?
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember being a kid and how exciting it was to get mail?
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they freak out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah.
		Remember the, I don't know if you guys did this, they get the Scholastic order form and we'd look through it and then you write down how many books you want on that little strip in the back and then rip it out and give it to teacher.
		Mom will give you 10 bucks and the book comes and you're like, it's books!
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		I did, I was a babysitter's club and I got a new book, like a package every single month and I looked forward to it and that got me really invested.
		I was so excited to read the next book and so that model is brilliant to bring, to get kids excited about that in that format.
		I was going to say about what you said about Star Trek, the writers studied authoritarian regimes.
		Yeah, absolutely.
		And they wrote about them in a way that was entertaining.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Deep Space Nine.
		This era of Star Trek.
		No joke.
		There's an episode of Deep Space Nine called In the Pale Moonlight.
		At this point, Next Generation was 89 until I think 97 or something like that.
		Maybe I'm getting the years wrong.
		Maybe it was 87 or something.
		I don't know.
		They had Voyager.
		They had Deep Space Nine.
		In this era of Star Trek, you had this continuous story that was masterfully done.
		Deep Space Nine is about a space station.
		A wormhole opens that connects two quadrants of the galaxy, which introduces new alien races of massive power.
		A war breaks out called the Dominion War, where they're called changelings.
		They're creatures that have moderate shape-shifting abilities, begin infiltrating.
		And then when the war breaks out, the Federation is losing.
		In the Star Trek universe, the next generation you have... Let's go back in time.
		In the original series, Klingons are the bad guys.
		When they create the next generation, they say, let's show that there's been development.
		And they now show that a Klingon actually works on a Federation ship as an officer.
		And this was to show that progress had occurred.
		They wrote an amazing backstory as to how this happened.
		It's called the Khitomer Accords.
		What happened was Romulans, another bad guy from the original series, began attacking a colony outpost of Klingons, women and children, because they're merciless.
		And the Enterprise, Got the distress signal and charged full speed to the attack, sacrificing itself to save the women and children of the Klingons.
		The Klingons being an honor-based society, said we did not realize how honorable the Federation was, and this created an alliance.
		Then in Deep Space Nine, I'm giving you all this backstory, but trust me, this stuff is so profound and good morals.
		In the Dominion War, the Romulans absolutely will not join the Federation and the Klingons as they're being crushed by the Dominion.
		So, the commander of the space station organizes a false flag attack, executing, assassinating a Romulan senator to frame the Dominion to force them to enter the war on the side of the Federation.
		You could replace all of this stuff with American tropes throughout American history, and the message is there.
		So I think that some people might be like, ah, that's sci-fi stuff, I'm not into that.
		Like, make it about World War II, whatever.
		The point is the moral message behind it.
		And then you have this monologue from Sisko, the commander, explaining the deep moral questions of killing a senator to trick an enemy nation into joining your side in a war, and it worked.
		And then they begin winning.
		Crazy, awesome storytelling.
		We don't have that anymore.
		But we are running late.
		So I guess my last question for you, otherwise I'll just ramble about Star Trek how much I love it.
		I don't mind the newer stuff that's coming.
		I don't think it's okay.
		But you mentioned as kids get older, they get two chapter books.
		I'm wondering, what about young adult?
		What about kids who are now looking for those bigger stories that might contain the moral lessons that I've been talking about?
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's coming.
		So yeah, the vision is – chapter books will probably start coming out in the next 12 to 18 months.
		But yeah, that's the vision.
		When they're in that three to seven, eight year old range, they're getting picture books, then chapter books, and then young adult novels, all that stuff.
		All the while we're giving animated television shows, live action television shows.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		And they just grow up with this world.
		And so when you're going off on your Star Trek rant, I was sort of, I was listening to you, but I was sort of envisioning a kid 20 years from now giving that same rant, but talking about Freedom Island.
		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I'm, What I want J.K.
		Rowling to do, especially now that she's experiencing it, what did she do?
		Harry Potter, what's it about?
		It's about Hitler.
		Anybody who's read Harry Potter knows that he's talking about Hitler.
		He's a magic supremacist with large followers, they take over the government, blah blah blah.
		And what did she write for the prequels?
		Magic Hitler.
		Seriously, Grindelwald is once again a magic supremacist who's doing the exact same things.
		She needs to write a story in the Harry Potter universe about wizards and witches who think it is wrong to have magic because it creates class oppression between those with magic and muggles, those with magic and those without, and then you end up with a Stalinist.
		So she can tell the moral lesson of why it's wrong to strip people of their rights and privileges and things like that.
unidentified		Have you ever seen the crossover of Harry Potter and Star Wars?
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		How the parallels in that?
unidentified		No.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		Well it's it's uh you know the the guy who's got a crush on the girl and he's his scruffy friend ends up she ends up with the scruffy friend and they don't have lightsabers they have wands and there's just all these you know then there's Vader as opposed to Voldemort so yeah there's all these parallels.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah.
		Well, anyway, we went a little bit over, I think, but thanks for hanging out, man.
		This has been a blast.
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		So fun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to shout out your friends and stuff?
trent talbot ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, bravebooks.com.
		Go bravebooks.com, subscribe.
		Kids, nieces, nephews, grandkids.
		Yeah, you'll get some great books and it'll help bring the family together.
		Get off screens, read a story, have some conversations that are meaningful.
		It'll be a blessing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
unidentified		Great.
josie glabach ▲ ● ▼		And you can find me at Twitter, TRHLOfficial.
unidentified		And yeah, just go ahead, follow me there.
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