The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #11 - Lauren Southern, Seamus Coughlin DESTROY The Left With LOGIC and FACTS, BASED
Aired: 2023-05-05
Duration: 02:21:29


=== Debates On Graves And Genetics (15:02) ===

[00:00:02]  We basically already did the show.
[00:00:03]  I'm hanging out with Lauren Southern and Seamus Coghlan, and we were talking about last night with Lance from the Serfs on TimCast IRL, the clips that are popping up on the internet about what happened.
[00:00:13]  There's like a million things to address in this.
[00:00:16]  And then we started talking about the clips going viral of Ian, because Ian said a whole bunch of funny things, too.
[00:00:20]  But, you know, we'll just keep the conversation going.
[00:00:23]  What's up, guys?
[00:00:24]  How's it going?
[00:00:25]  Seamus.
[00:00:26]  Yep, yep.
[00:00:27]  Happy to be here.
[00:00:28]  How could you not keep Lance here for me?
[00:00:30]  We had unfinished business.
[00:00:33]  I asked him when he was leaving.
[00:00:35]  I mean, when we wrapped the show late, it was 10 30 already.
[00:00:39]  And I was like, we want to do the members only.
[00:00:41]  And it's like kind of late.
[00:00:43]  And he was like, I don't know, man, I don't know how much longer I have.
[00:00:46]  And I said 10 minutes.
[00:00:47]  And he was like, yeah, but I don't want to like dip out in the middle of it and have people get mad at me and say that I ran away or something.
[00:00:52]  And then I was like, well, The truth is, if you don't do the members-only, they're gonna say you ran away, and it was like, alright, let's just try to do 10 minutes.
[00:00:59]  He stayed for an hour.
[00:01:01]  So I think it was great.
[00:01:03]  I think the issue when it comes to the culture war stuff, Is that the left their position is my tribe has said these things are what I'm allowed to say.
[00:01:14]  Yeah, and then the quote-unquote right which includes like traditional liberals or whatever is here's moral logic and why I feel this like why I believe these things.
[00:01:24]  So his positions are often this thing is true.
[00:01:27]  I say why is it true doesn't matter.
[00:01:29]  It's a talking point.
[00:01:29]  We say it and then for me, it's kind of like Here's why I feel this way about this law.
[00:01:35]  Seamus, why do you feel this way about this law?
[00:01:38]  But anyway, long story short, I'm glad he did come, but he did have to leave, so sorry, Lauren.
[00:01:44]  Yeah, we obviously, I wish you asked him about the mass grave stuff in Canada, because that was Lance and I's big debate.
[00:01:50]  I saw that.
[00:01:50]  It's been a few years now, no bodies, and obviously that's a good thing, right?
[00:01:55]  They're not finding a bunch of dead children, but it seems like for some reason a bunch of the progressives in Canada are like, please, just one dead child.
[00:02:04]  Well, let's get some context too, because like I said, we were basically doing the show for a half an hour already, just like laughing our asses off.
[00:02:11]  But, uh, so Lance is, uh, he's a cool dude.
[00:02:12]  I'm, I think, I think he's a really nice guy.
[00:02:14]  I, I find his views abhorrent.
[00:02:15]  He agrees.
[00:02:16]  He finds our views abhorrent.
[00:02:17]  But, uh, I thought it was funny he brought a Bud Light tall boy and cracked it open.
[00:02:21]  We were laughing.
[00:02:21]  I think it's a good thing.
[00:02:22]  It's, it's healing and, and will help bring us together.
[00:02:25]  But, uh, he is a leftist commentator who came on the show and there are a bunch of clips going viral, namely where He said that so long as a baby is inside a woman, the woman can terminate it and do whatever she wants to it.
[00:02:38]  Seamus actually asked for clarification, since you're saying, if the baby's in the woman, she can do whatever she wants.
[00:02:43]  And he was like, effectively, yes.
[00:02:44]  And then I said, what about meth?
[00:02:46]  And then he said, no, because that's intentionally killing a baby.
[00:02:49]  And then I was like, wait a minute.
[00:02:51]  So, uh, now these clips are going up and then someone tweeted, they had not seen Lance get BTF-o'd this badly since he had a conversation with Lauren Southern.
[00:03:01]  So, that should be the context.
[00:03:02]  So, like, what is the mass graves thing?
[00:03:03]  I'm not familiar.
[00:03:05]  I'm guessing you followed that.
[00:03:06]  I did.
[00:03:06]  Is it alright if I just interject with one thing?
[00:03:08]  Absolutely.
[00:03:09]  One thing is, there was a few moments where I felt a need to come in with a comment just because I was saying what he's saying here is factually incorrect and I really do need to set the record straight, but I did feel bad about the fact that he was totally behind enemy lines and everyone was sort of arguing with him, and so I said next time I really want him to come on with another leftist, so it's like me and you versus him and another lefty and it doesn't feel as much like we're jumping him.
[00:03:32]  And to be fair, to be fair, a lot of people in the comments, and it could just be because they're people who agree with us, are saying, I didn't think you interjected too much.
[00:03:39]  And so it was mostly like it was unfair by any means, but he did choose to come on the show, but I would really love to do it with, with another lefty.
[00:03:48]  But this is two on two.
[00:03:50]  This is, this, this is an important point.
[00:03:53]  I go on Joe Rogan's show with the Twitter executives, and it was literally two liberals arguing with two progressives about how they're treating conservatives.
[00:04:05]  We do a show here when Matt, I think Matt Binder is here, and you were here.
[00:04:10]  It's literally me, a centrist, arguing with a progressive, and you, the conservative, keeping quiet.
[00:04:16]  So these aren't even left and right debates.
[00:04:19]  But the funny thing is, When Lance yesterday said that I was a conservative, he's like, if an alien came to earth and looked at what you were doing and the way you post videos, they'd say you're a conservative.
[00:04:28]  I pulled up all sides with 4,000 user reviews calling me a centrist.
[00:04:34]  And I'm like, how is it that Seamus wants to ban all abortion?
[00:04:38]  I'm in favor of abortion being legal with restrictions, and you're in favor of abortion with no restriction.
[00:04:43]  I'm in the middle!
[00:04:45]  They don't know what middle is or centrist is.
[00:04:47]  It's either you're with them or you're a conservative.
[00:04:51]  Basically.
[00:04:51]  Anyway, mass graves.
[00:04:54]  By the way, you did beautifully in that debate, and I remember hearing that story about the mass graves and not really being able to make heads or tails of it, and then you came along and said it's all nonsense, and as I looked into the information that was available on it, it was clear it was all nonsense, and then you absolutely crushed it in that debate.
[00:05:08]  Essentially two years ago, this story came out in Canada that they discovered mass graves of indigenous children and that there was basically a genocide going on by the government and the Catholic Church, and You know, there's no denying there was abuse within the government systems that were created and priests, but to say they were like ritually, you know, at nuns coming out and executing these kids.
[00:05:26]  They're saying nuns were killing these kids?
[00:05:28]  Yeah, coming out, executing them, burying them in mass graves behind these churches.
[00:05:32]  But what kept happening is I do like the tiniest bit of surface level research on this and it's like, oh, this graveyard existed that they found 13 years before the residential school was even built.
[00:05:41]  That was one of the main ones that Trudeau visited in In Saskatchewan and then the main one that started this all in Kamloops.
[00:05:49]  They have done no excavation, nothing.
[00:05:52]  It's years later and all of the articles that came out then, mass graves, which implies a genocide.
[00:05:58]  Would you agree?
[00:05:59]  Absolutely, that's what mass graves is.
[00:06:01]  They all just like quietly a few months later edited the articles to say Potential bodies discovered.
[00:06:07]  We don't know yet, though.
[00:06:08]  But the whole first headlines were mass graves found.
[00:06:11]  And this resulted in dozens, I think over 50 churches, being vandalized and burnt to the ground.
[00:06:18]  And that's why they wanted it to happen.
[00:06:19]  It was terrorism against the Christian community based off a lie.
[00:06:23]  It was nutso.
[00:06:26]  That's why I said... And again, it is...
[00:06:31]  Before the show, we were like, talk about Lance with him not here is kind of shady.
[00:06:34]  It's like, okay, I, you know, but it is what it is.
[00:06:38]  I told him he was in a cult.
[00:06:40]  Like in the after show, for those that didn't see it, I asked him, oh, here we go.
[00:06:46]  I asked him, I'll try and keep it family friendly.
[00:06:49]  If you engage in adult relations with a trans woman who's male and has male body parts, are you gay?
[00:06:57]  He said, no.
[00:06:59]  And I said, if you were to go to MGM National Harbor, And the reason why I use it as an example is for one, it's obvious, like I was just there last weekend, but it's like a big shopping center with like a steakhouse and restaurants and casino.
[00:07:11]  And you proclaim loudly to the thousands of people that position, that engaging in adult relations with a male who is trans is not gay.
[00:07:20]  Do you think any of them would agree with you?
[00:07:21]  And he's like, no, none of them would.
[00:07:24]  I'm like, you're in a cult!
[00:07:25]  Like, you're asserting this worldview that exists only among a tiny, tiny subset of people.
[00:07:31]  You are the odd person out.
[00:07:33]  You are not the mainstream.
[00:07:34]  You are not the average.
[00:07:35]  And to be fair, the commenters were pointing this out in the members-only section.
[00:07:40]  When he made that statement, he was drinking Bud Light.
[00:07:43]  So it's possible it got into his system, and that's why he said that.
[00:07:47]  Makes sense.
[00:07:48]  Very true.
[00:07:48]  I will say, you know, I do respect him for coming on the show.
[00:07:53]  When I saw his face up there, I was like, there's no way Lance actually accepted going on TimCast.
[00:07:58]  So, full respect, full props to you, Lance, for doing that.
[00:08:04]  He tweeted something at someone, I don't remember who, and then I responded with, just like, hey, come on the show, bro.
[00:08:08]  And immediately he was like, hell yeah, dude, awesome.
[00:08:11]  And I was like, cool.
[00:08:13]  The thing that these leftists don't understand, and he's a self-proclaimed leftist, I'm not trying to insult him, is that I have no fear of having a conversation with a leftist because I only seek to follow a logical pathway towards betterment.
[00:08:30]  So when it comes to my politics, it's simply, is there something I missed?
[00:08:34]  Give me the study that proves me wrong.
[00:08:35]  I'd like to hear it.
[00:08:36]  He couldn't do it.
[00:08:37]  When I mentioned that trans kids desist at 61 to 98 percent, there were two studies that show this.
[00:08:45]  The only thing you could say is, a meta-analysis of studies disproves this, and I said, a meta-analysis is the opinion of a researcher who read articles, not a scientific study.
[00:08:54]  You have to give me, he couldn't give me one study.
[00:08:56]  I think the problem when you're having these debates is there's so many other factors beyond like, oh, well, I showed him the study.
[00:09:02]  It's like, no, lots of times people are thinking like, this is my friendship group, my social circle, my job.
[00:09:08]  I have so much more on the line to reaffirm the beliefs I've put forward, even if they're making me potentially look stupid.
[00:09:16]  Then I do to sit here and be like, oh, that's actually interesting.
[00:09:19]  You can't overcome that.
[00:09:21]  That's the thing about Timcast.
[00:09:23]  That doesn't exist here.
[00:09:24]  It exists in conservative circles.
[00:09:26]  Not mostly, though.
[00:09:27]  I'd say there exists a small tendency, because tribalism exists on the right as it does on the left.
[00:09:33]  The left is overwhelmingly I have to say this for my social circles.
[00:09:38]  The right is, there are certain lines I won't cross because of my social circles, but here at TimCast, Ian can go on a rant about fake Jews and usury, and we just roll our eyes, and the conversation exists.
[00:09:51]  I'm not going to pretend to be conservative for conservatives or liberal for liberals.
[00:09:56]  If Lance or any leftist comes to me and says, here's proof you're wrong, I'll say, I have nothing to say.
[00:10:01]  What am I supposed to say other than I was wrong?
[00:10:03]  Yeah, I mean, look, I don't want to be wrong if I don't have to be.
[00:10:07]  So if you can show me valid information that says that my worldview is incorrect about something, please pass that on.
[00:10:14]  I think there's a very apt quote here.
[00:10:18]  Voltaire did not say very many wise things.
[00:10:21]  He was pretty terrible.
[00:10:22]  But, he once made a great point, he said, those who can get you to believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
[00:10:29]  Ironically, that applies to Voltaire, and what he taught people, and how they acted in the French Revolution.
[00:10:34]  However, when you look at Lance, he seems like a perfectly nice guy.
[00:10:39]  He came onto the show.
[00:10:39]  He was very polite to everybody, but he believes in absurdities.
[00:10:44]  And the policy he wants to implement is atrocious as a result.
[00:10:48]  I'll give you an example.
[00:10:49]  He thinks a pregnant woman should not be allowed to do meth because it would intentionally kill a child.
[00:10:54]  But that if she goes to a doctor and requests the doctor intentionally kill the child, that's allowed.
[00:10:59]  That is a logical moral inconsistency.
[00:11:02]  And it was just interesting, because sitting across across from him as I was speaking to him, it felt like this was somebody who shouldn't believe these insane things.
[00:11:11]  He doesn't come off as somebody who, if you encounter on the streets, would go, ah, let's kill babies, ah, let's mutilate children.
[00:11:16]  But he's bought into an ideology that essentially forces him to hold those positions.
[00:11:21]  And it's really sad.
[00:11:22]  It's really sad.
[00:11:24]  I'll never forget.
[00:11:25]  I've been in a few situations where I've been around some pretty radical, crazy people while I was traveling the world.
[00:11:30]  And there was one house that I went to and they had a baby there and they were like some gun toting crazies.
[00:11:36]  But I was looking at that baby and I'm like, this kid is probably going to be radicalized into this, this group as well.
[00:11:43]  Well, I love guns, by the way.
[00:11:45]  But I mean, with the crazy ideology, it kind of makes it different.
[00:11:49]  But anyways, I was like, this baby who's like a perfectly lovely little being, no matter what, they're probably headed on this trajectory to have the same beliefs as their parents, their community, everything else.
[00:11:59]  And that's what I, when you talk about like Lance having these beliefs, I wonder what set of events happened in his life that led him to that position?
[00:12:06]  And what set of events could occur that would ever make him change his mind?
[00:12:09]  I think this is one of the greatest debates we have right now is like, how much of our ideology is heritable?
[00:12:14]  How much of it is environment?
[00:12:15]  And how much is this reversible?
[00:12:18]  So you mentioned this before the show, and I was thinking about it.
[00:12:21]  We talk about nature versus nurture.
[00:12:24]  And I think it's a mix of nature versus nurture.
[00:12:27]  But I don't think it's the politics you inherit.
[00:12:29]  I think it's the social characteristics.
[00:12:33]  I believe that Lance is of a genetic predisposition towards social conformity and so that is to say I believe that there are some people who are predisposed more so towards following the crowd and some people who are predisposed to reject the crowd.
[00:12:52]  And I think there's good reasons why that exists in human psychology.
[00:12:57]  I don't think it's absolute.
[00:12:59]  I think someone who is of a family genetic line that is predisposed towards being a follower could absolutely be a leader because I think these things are only a small faction, a small factor.
[00:13:09]  But I think there's good reason why they exist in humanity, in terms of human development and how societies form and function.
[00:13:16]  There is great benefit to following the crowd in a crisis and disaster when if, you know, if you took a bunch of leftists, gave them their authority figure, a crisis happened, you do need, in certain emergencies, quick executive action.
[00:13:29]  And you need everyone to fall in line.
[00:13:30]  At the same time, if everyone falls in line, you commit atrocities, your system will break down.
[00:13:34]  So there's a balance between Yeah.
[00:13:38]  Well, I would also add this, and this is probably the last thing I'll say about Lancet.
[00:13:46]  I don't think it's some horrible thing that I wouldn't say to his face by any means, so I'm comfortable saying it here.
[00:13:52]  Yeah, absolutely, just horrible.
[00:13:54]  No, he really, there's this idea of the banality of evil, you know, how someone who is an otherwise decent person can participate in just morally entirely unacceptable behavior, right?
[00:14:06]  And promoting this stuff on a national level with a public platform is absolutely horrible.
[00:14:11]  He's doing a lot of damage, but it's so strange because He doesn't strike me as someone who is intending to act maliciously, he's just very confused.
[00:14:21]  And I don't know how to convince somebody like that, but it's certain that what he's doing has massive negative effects on the real world to the point where it could seriously harm children.
[00:14:31]  Authority.
[00:14:32]  That would convince them.
[00:14:33]  And so, a social authority, right?
[00:14:35]  The idea that you are on the right side of history.
[00:14:38]  There's that viral clip going around now of Taylor Swift, and she was like, I need to be on the right side of history.
[00:14:44]  Right, she's wrong.
[00:14:45]  But think about it this way.

=== Why Side With History? (08:01) ===

[00:14:49]  There's an invasion.
[00:14:51]  China storms the beach of California or whatever, and then starts moving very quickly across the United States, taking over countries.
[00:14:59]  You can't now have a committee sit down and have a logical conversation.
[00:15:06]  You need executive action.
[00:15:07]  You need someone to be like, I got a plan, here's what we gotta do, please do it.
[00:15:10]  Now, if you have 100 people that are social conformist, And the leader comes in and says, we face an existential threat.
[00:15:18]  Trust me and do this thing.
[00:15:20]  You start building walls.
[00:15:22]  You start getting guns.
[00:15:23]  If they just say, I'm going to fit in and do it, that's a huge net benefit to your society.
[00:15:28]  But when you get to the point where there are evil people in charge and corruption, people who seek to only extract value, those followers become zombies marching behind a corrupt institution.
[00:15:37]  Yeah, I would mostly agree with that.
[00:15:39]  I would mostly agree with that.
[00:15:40]  And I'd add something else.
[00:15:41]  You brought up a very key phrase here.
[00:15:43]  The right side of history.
[00:15:44]  We hear this constantly.
[00:15:46]  I want to be on the right side of history.
[00:15:47]  What you're essentially saying is, long after I am dead, I will still be seeking the approval of others.
[00:15:52]  It's a very sad way of looking at the world.
[00:15:55]  And I'll also add that if you have eternity in mind, Being on the right side of history is a very small, petty ambition.
[00:16:02]  You should be trying to get to heaven.
[00:16:03]  You should be trying to be on the side of truth, not the side of whoever's going to end up writing books 200 years from now if they happen to remember whatever small political movement you're a part of.
[00:16:14]  I saw the other day that Tucker text leak where he's talking about kind of rediscovering his empathy, watching this video of an Antifa guy getting the shit beat out of him and he's like, oh, this is actually a human being.
[00:16:25]  I shouldn't want this guy to be killed, even though I had that spur of feeling.
[00:16:29]  I retweeted it and basically said, you know, how are people crapping on Tucker for showing this moment of amazing humanity?
[00:16:36]  And some guy replied, ah, this is why the right always loses.
[00:16:39]  Why are you taking this position, Lauren?
[00:16:41]  We should want our enemies dead.
[00:16:43]  And you never want to win the war or the battle.
[00:16:45]  And I was thinking exactly that.
[00:16:46]  I'm like, mate, you've already lost the battle, the one that matters for your soul.
[00:16:49]  Like that's the battle that matters.
[00:16:51]  Not to say that there aren't these political fights that we can have and try to Have victories in, but if you've lost your soul and you've become just like the people you're trying to fight, what's the point of it all?
[00:17:00]  That's why I say the left likes to say the ends justify the means.
[00:17:05]  And they don't, because there is no end.
[00:17:09]  Life is the journey.
[00:17:10]  And this is where my moral positions often come from.
[00:17:14]  I would say this to the Occupy people.
[00:17:16]  If you decide that you today are justified to use violence, why would you not be justified tomorrow, or the year after that, or the year after that?
[00:17:24]  And if you believe the government is evil, the institutions are evil because they use violence against people, and so you've decided the only way you can win is to adopt those policies and tactics, how will you defend that revolution you in exactly the way they are doing now.
[00:17:40]  Quite literally are what you claim to oppose.
[00:17:42]  The only way to truly win is to stand up for your principles, hold them true in adversity, no matter how difficult it is.
[00:17:50]  Yeah, so we talk about the culture war and trying to win.
[00:17:53]  And I think the culture war is a perfectly serviceable phrase, but it doesn't paint a full picture.
[00:17:59]  The reality is we are engaged in a spiritual war just by the very fact of our existence as human beings with rational souls in a universe where good and evil exists.
[00:18:10]  And the culture war is one of the battles that exists within spiritual warfare.
[00:18:17]  And what's very interesting about spiritual warfare is, at the very least, from the Catholic perspective, It's a total inversion of, at the very least, outcome prediction ability with respect to other forms of warfare.
[00:18:34]  So, in a worldly war, in a physical war, you know what side you're on from the get-go.
[00:18:40]  And then, in battle, you learn who wins.
[00:18:42]  With spiritual warfare, we know who wins.
[00:18:45]  We know God wins.
[00:18:46]  We know goodness wins.
[00:18:48]  But through battle, you figure out which side you're on.
[00:18:51]  That's the difference.
[00:18:52]  And so if you abandon your principles in order to beat the bad guys in the culture war, you are placing yourself on the wrong side of the spiritual war in order to attempt to win a battle.
[00:19:03]  So you've completely defeated yourself.
[00:19:06]  Good will win.
[00:19:07]  Good does not need you to do evil so that good can win.
[00:19:10]  It's going to win.
[00:19:11]  What you're determining in the culture war is, which side am I on, good or evil?
[00:19:16]  Have you ever watched that movie Big Fish?
[00:19:19]  No.
[00:19:19]  No?
[00:19:19]  Do you remember the scene where he goes to the witch and he like goes to see his future how he dies in her eye and he's like, I want to see it so that I know I don't have to be afraid of anything between now and the point that I die.
[00:19:30]  Yeah.
[00:19:30]  And he goes and he faces all of these crazy battles and, like, stays true to himself because he knows, no, this isn't the moment for me.
[00:19:36]  This is not happening, yeah.
[00:19:36]  And it kind of reminds me of that, like, you know who's going to win, you know what's at the end.
[00:19:40]  Certainly if you are a self-proclaimed Christian watching this or just someone who believes in, like, the concept of truth will come to light and that's what matters.
[00:19:49]  Yeah, then stick to your principles because that's, you know, you know what the end goal is.
[00:19:52]  There's no need for these petty little changes in your spirit.
[00:19:56]  Let's talk about the right side of history, going back to that.
[00:19:58]  Yeah.
[00:19:59]  Was John Brown on the right side of history?
[00:20:03]  No.
[00:20:04]  No, I don't think so.
[00:20:05]  He was.
[00:20:06]  So he was, yeah, in the sense that they wrote history books about him.
[00:20:09]  No, slavery ended.
[00:20:10]  His fight... Oh, no, that's what I'm saying, in the sense that they wrote history books about him, but going up and shooting someone in the face who was a non-combatant... No, no, no, you misunderstand.
[00:20:17]  No, I get what you're saying.
[00:20:18]  Today, slavery doesn't exist.
[00:20:20]  He opposed slavery.
[00:20:22]  His fight, and what he believed in, ultimately won.
[00:20:27]  So, if you go back in time and say, anti-slavery and pro-slavery forces, who will be on the right side of history?
[00:20:33]  John Brown was a psychotic individual who sacrificed his own children, and was hanged for treason.
[00:20:39]  At the time, they said that he was a bad guy.
[00:20:43]  He was a criminal who deserved death.
[00:20:45]  So these people who today are like, I wanna be on the right side of history, supporting the establishment cause does not put you on the right side of history.
[00:20:52]  John Brown was seen as a criminal and a traitor who was hanged for it, who sacrificed his own children.
[00:20:57]  But 100 years later, with slavery being abolished, they put his picture on casino chips over at Hollywood Charlestown Races.
[00:21:04]  They revere him.
[00:21:06]  There are statues and monuments to him, despite the fact, yo, the government killed him for treason!
[00:21:11]  Well, also because we have no principles.
[00:21:13]  So yes, you know, abolition was a good cause.
[00:21:16]  Slavery was horrific.
[00:21:18]  Today, I believe the equivalent to that is the pro-life movement.
[00:21:21]  I would not say it's acceptable for a pro-lifer to go murder somebody who's had an abortion or an abortion doctor.
[00:21:29]  And the idea that John Brown was justified in doing so is also absurd.
[00:21:33]  I agree with your point, though, that he's on the right side of history, quote unquote, because our establishments have decided that we can do evil that good might come of it.
[00:21:41]  But my point is simply this.
[00:21:43]  People today are saying, I want to be on the right side of history.
[00:21:45]  So Taylor Swift, in this video, wants to support what she sees as good thing of the moral majority.
[00:21:53]  But that does not mean you are on the right side of history.
[00:21:56]  It just means you're marching in lockstep with the narrative.
[00:22:01]  And that often is not the right side of history.
[00:22:03]  Exactly.
[00:22:03]  And not to mention, like, what people read in history books a hundred years from now might be completely different than what any of us are experiencing.
[00:22:10]  You think about the false information that's spread in media today, at the mass scale, when we have video cameras to prove what's going on, you really think the crap we're reading about, oh, this happened a thousand years ago, wasn't some, like, egotistical king off his head, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, put that in there.
[00:22:24]  I've got Life magazine, I bought, I have like 90% of Life Magazine.
[00:22:33]  I went to a bunch of antique stores, I found a whole bunch, I bought a whole bunch, I got the first copy.

=== Joe Biden and MKULTRA Revelations (12:02) ===

[00:22:37]  I have Life Magazine from like a month before D-Day, and it shows photos of tanks and armaments in the UK, and it says the US is bolstering the United Kingdom's defenses in preparation for any kind of invasion.
[00:22:49]  That was fake news.
[00:22:51]  Back then, people thought history at the time was the news being told, we have sent defensive armament to the UK.
[00:22:59]  Now what do we know?
[00:23:00]  No, they were preparing an invasion of Europe to push back the Nazis.
[00:23:05]  So when we read a news story today, In 10 years, they might be like, oh, that story was fake.
[00:23:10]  Yeah, the real thing we did was this, like, we might learn something about Afghanistan.
[00:23:14]  Oh, yeah.
[00:23:15]  In the withdrawal that we, at the time, they're like, Joe Biden abandoned Bagram.
[00:23:20]  For all we know, 10 years from now, it'll be like the terrorists snuck in and planted bombs, and he evacuated our troops, and it was never reported because of the security threat to our personnel.
[00:23:29]  Not that I give them the benefit of the doubt.
[00:23:30]  No, exactly.
[00:23:31]  Well, I think usually when we end up with more information about what truly happened, it's much less flattering for those in power, which is why the lie was told in the first place.
[00:23:40]  Look at MKUltra, look at Operation Northwoods.
[00:23:43]  I mean, these are just mind-blowing facts of history.
[00:23:48]  If you thought those things happened and the government hadn't openly admitted it, you'd be considered a deranged lunatic.
[00:23:54]  But it's undeniably factual.
[00:23:56]  What's crazy is that the vibe they put around that persists, though.
[00:24:00]  If you even talk about MKUltra today, people will be like, ah, funny conspiracy.
[00:24:03]  It's like, no, no, no, what are you talking about?
[00:24:05]  They admitted it.
[00:24:07]  It's weird because You know, growing up, hearing about conspiracy theorists and like the negative stigmas and all that stuff, you could feel that it mattered.
[00:24:17]  That if the media attacked you, like it put you in this negative position.
[00:24:21]  I literally could not care less.
[00:24:23]  No, not even a little.
[00:24:24]  So, you know, I'm thinking about this the other day when we have Lance on the show and he said, we were talking about trans kids.
[00:24:29]  And I said, they won't have any sensation.
[00:24:32]  They won't be able to experience a sexual sensation of any kind.
[00:24:36]  And he goes, it's really weird.
[00:24:37]  You're obsessed with people's genitals.
[00:24:38]  And I'm just like, bro, you're not gonna shame me into not making an argument, because I don't care what you think.
[00:24:44]  I have seen what, uh, your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer.
[00:24:47]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:24:48]  So, if you, as this leftist, holds an abhorrent moral position, and then tell me I'm weird, I'll be like, bro, there's a lot of things about me you think are weird, and I think you're despicable.
[00:24:58]  You know what I mean?
[00:24:59]  So when it comes to today's day and age, With MKUltra, John F. Kennedy.
[00:25:05]  Bro, I'll sit here right now and be like, oh, we had Ron Paul on the show, and the first thing he says is, our government killed a sitting president, John F. Kennedy.
[00:25:11]  And I'm just like, okay.
[00:25:14]  You're not going to shame me into not believing it.
[00:25:15]  I don't care.
[00:25:16]  I just want to mention one thing.
[00:25:17]  People are like, you know, Joe Biden is a Catholic president.
[00:25:21]  I'm like, then why hasn't the CIA killed him yet?
[00:25:22]  You know what I mean?
[00:25:25]  Everyone keeps claiming Joe Biden's a devout Catholic.
[00:25:28]  Why is he still alive?
[00:25:29]  People always, they come up with this idea that, oh, well, if these conspiracies were true, someone would have said something by now.
[00:25:35]  No.
[00:25:36]  No, they wouldn't.
[00:25:37]  If they were sane, they won't.
[00:25:39]  If they sound sane to the media, they won't.
[00:25:41]  Because they want to keep their job.
[00:25:43]  They want to feed their family.
[00:25:44]  They don't want to be outcasted from social groups and potentially, like, I don't know, get in jail time for leaking government secrets, whatever it is.
[00:25:52]  If someone is a bit insane and they're willing to say these things, usually it's because their life is falling apart and they're like, what do I have left to lose?
[00:26:00]  And then they can be very easily painted as, ah.
[00:26:02]  They're a lunatic.
[00:26:05]  I mentioned when it comes to any president, I'm like, I bet the first thing that happens when the president gets elected is a guy in a suit shows up and just slides a picture of John F. Kennedy on their desk and doesn't say a word.
[00:26:19]  And they're just like, I get it, I get it, I get it.
[00:26:21]  Like, quite frankly.
[00:26:23]  Okay.
[00:26:24]  Flattered map.
[00:26:27]  They're like, they're like, yeah, the going to Mars thing.
[00:26:32]  We'll hire Michael Bay.
[00:26:36]  Your first diplomatic mission to Hyperborea.
[00:26:38]  I mean, I kind of meant that they're threatening the president.
[00:26:41]  Don't fall out of line.
[00:26:45]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:26:46]  I thought it was funny for a different reason.
[00:26:48]  No, they're both funny.
[00:26:49]  But it is funny the idea, like, the president gets elected and then this guy like, alright, so your orientation as president, the earth is flat, aliens do exist, JFK, that was us, MKUltra, yes, exactly what you think it was, MomTalk, What a doozy.
[00:27:05]  No, no, no.
[00:27:06]  The way they do it... It's all real.
[00:27:07]  Here's how it's structured.
[00:27:08]  They come in and they're telling about all the conspiracy theories that are true.
[00:27:11]  When the president goes, I have to tell people, then they pull out the JFK one and just set it down on a desk in front of him.
[00:27:17]  That's a good sketch.
[00:27:18]  They're like... He's like...
[00:27:21]  Yeah, no, trust the experts.
[00:27:23]  Yeah, it's like he shows them like the earth, it's flat.
[00:27:25]  It's like, wow.
[00:27:26]  And he's like, aliens, they're real.
[00:27:28]  My God.
[00:27:29]  And then he's like, you know, the Montauk Project, MKUltra.
[00:27:31]  And he's like, the American people must know.
[00:27:33]  Well, there's one more.
[00:27:34]  And then he shows up JFK.
[00:27:36]  I have no idea what you're talking about.
[00:27:38]  No idea what you're talking about.
[00:27:39]  There's no evidence these conspiracies.
[00:27:42]  I don't think that they literally show a picture of JFK to the president, but I think the implication is there.
[00:27:47]  It's the implication.
[00:27:48]  Right.
[00:27:50]  To be honest, and I'm more or less just memeing here, I don't know nearly enough about the JFK situation.
[00:27:56]  What I do know is that the Warren report was the most widely doubted piece of official government information that's ever been issued according to surveys, but I don't know enough about the actual situation to make a declaration one way or another.
[00:28:07]  I want to look into it.
[00:28:09]  No, I, yeah, I agree.
[00:28:10]  I'm, I'm, I've not done any, like, it's well before my time, all of our time.
[00:28:14]  Okay, wait, who was the president that, was it Wilson that couldn't walk?
[00:28:18]  Oh, oh, yeah, FDR, FDR.
[00:28:21]  Yeah, he was, they kept it a secret from the public.
[00:28:23]  He had polio as a kid and so he couldn't walk.
[00:28:24]  And they didn't tell the American public for like how long?
[00:28:27]  The entire presidency?
[00:28:28]  And there was this one president with dementia and they didn't tell the American people about it for years.
[00:28:33]  America would never do something like that.
[00:28:35]  It's just hilarious because Joe Biden, like they were trying to hide the fact that this man's legs didn't work from us.
[00:28:43]  And we have a president whose brain doesn't work and everyone can see it.
[00:28:46]  It's just out in the open.
[00:28:48]  And they go, nah.
[00:28:50]  Nuh-uh, no, he's got a speech impediment.
[00:28:52]  What?
[00:28:53]  That's not how a speech impediment works.
[00:28:55]  I've met people who stutter.
[00:28:57]  They don't say poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids.
[00:29:00]  They don't say you can't go to Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent, which is another Joe Biden quote.
[00:29:06]  No, my favorite thing he said was, I'm not really Irish because I don't have any relatives in prison and a drinking problem or something.
[00:29:13]  Yeah, he's like, I don't have a drinking problem and none of my relatives are in jail.
[00:29:15]  That's not how a stutter works.
[00:29:17]  That's not a speech impediment.
[00:29:19]  That's just not having a functioning brain.
[00:29:21]  Yeah.
[00:29:22]  Yeah.
[00:29:23]  My favorite, one of my favorite conspiracies right now is that there's, this is not Joe Biden, it's Biden.
[00:29:27]  Biden, I know, I love this one too.
[00:29:29]  Well, there's a, someone posted a photo and it's Joe Biden from 2014.
[00:29:34]  And his ears and face look very, very different.
[00:29:37]  We clearly got some kind of work done or I don't know if it's something as simple as like a facelift or having his eyebrows too, but he does look different.
[00:29:44]  So I understand why people can like theorize.
[00:29:46]  So like the little dude, what are these things called in your ear?
[00:29:49]  The little dudes who live inside his face and then his face opens and there's a small person in there.
[00:29:54]  His ear has the floppy part and then the other picture it doesn't.
[00:29:58]  So like, that's not an, that doesn't come, you can't do that, right?
[00:30:01]  That's not a surgical thing.
[00:30:02]  They didn't attach his earlobes to the side of his head, you know what I mean?
[00:30:04]  Maybe they're doing it to mess with you.
[00:30:06]  They attach fake earlobes to throw you off, it's a psy-op.
[00:30:09]  These are fun too, like, the funniest one I think is Michelle Obama being a man.
[00:30:14]  Oh, someone's like, show me one picture of Michelle being pregnant!
[00:30:17]  And it's got thousands of voices!
[00:30:18]  And they're all AI-like responses!
[00:30:21]  Oh my gosh, I was dying, I was dying at that.
[00:30:24]  But I love that one because it's inconsequential.
[00:30:27]  Well, but also, I think it's really hilarious that Obama's repeatedly called her Michael, which does not help them at all.
[00:30:34]  It's like, dude, you guys, that's like the one thing.
[00:30:36]  Maybe they find it funny, like as a family.
[00:30:38]  They're just messing around.
[00:30:39]  Yeah.
[00:30:39]  He's like, oh, my, my, my, my husband, oh, my wife.
[00:30:43]  Did he say husband?
[00:30:44]  No, but he said Michael.
[00:30:46]  He said Michael several times.
[00:30:46]  They get into a fight the night before and he's like, damn it, Michelle, I'm calling you Michael on national TV again.
[00:30:51]  Don't you do it.
[00:30:52]  Don't you do it, Barack.
[00:30:54]  I'm gonna do it.
[00:30:55]  I'm gonna call you Michael.
[00:30:56]  I'm gonna say it.
[00:30:57]  I'm gonna say the M word.
[00:31:00]  Michael!
[00:31:02]  What do you think, uh, what slur do you think Joe Biden's gonna say first, actually?
[00:31:06]  That's a good question.
[00:31:07]  Well, he's already, he's already said this thing about Irish people.
[00:31:12]  He's already, like, he's gone in on Indians.
[00:31:14]  He's gone in on, like... It's gonna be Asians.
[00:31:17]  You think so?
[00:31:18]  Yeah, it'd be about Asian people.
[00:31:19]  And then when he says that slur, people are gonna be like, it was a stutter.
[00:31:23]  Because he has that study, he's got charrettes, like I don't know what they're gonna end up landing on.
[00:31:28]  Americans don't really know the slurs for Asian people.
[00:31:31]  Only other Asians do for different kinds of Asians?
[00:31:34]  Only people like Joe Biden who have done deep research on slurs.
[00:31:37]  No, no, I think he'll say it because he'll see it and then be too, like, a younger person might see the context and be like, I don't know what that is, I'm not gonna say that, but Biden's gonna read the prompter.
[00:31:50]  Yeah.
[00:31:51]  You think someone's going to be putting Asian slurs in his proctor?
[00:31:53]  He's going to be addressing Asian people and he's going to be like, I'm going to say it.
[00:31:58]  I'm going to say the G word.
[00:31:59]  You know what?
[00:32:00]  I'm sick of not, no wait, that's Obama.
[00:32:03]  That's Obama.
[00:32:04]  What are we going to say, man?
[00:32:07]  Why can't I say it all the time in the 50s?
[00:32:09]  Dude it's crazy and I've made this point a million times but I'll make it again.
[00:32:13]  I remember being taught in school with a wink and a nudge about how horrible and stupid Republicans are that Ronald Reagan became senile towards the end of his last presidential term and how shameful it was and how absurd it was that the Republicans were willing to allow a man to stay in office when he was in cognitive decline.
[00:32:33]  Biden was clearly demented during the primaries.
[00:32:36]  He didn't even have to be the nominee.
[00:32:38]  They went out of their way to choose a guy with dementia, and then they ran him, and he won!
[00:32:43]  And they're like, yeah, oh.
[00:32:45]  They hit him in the basement.
[00:32:47]  Huh?
[00:32:47]  They hit him.
[00:32:48]  I know, Joe Hyden.
[00:32:49]  Trump called him.
[00:32:49]  They needed someone who looks cute.
[00:32:52]  They needed, because people looked at Hillary, and they're like, she wants to bomb some brown country.
[00:32:56]  This is definitely a lizard.
[00:32:56]  They just look at like.
[00:32:57]  When people look at Hillary Clinton, they imagine the witch from Hansel and Gretel who wants to eat your children.
[00:33:03]  And then some people literally saw that.
[00:33:04]  I'm sorry, but the witch I imagine is Harmony, Tim.
[00:33:08]  And I think Trump is Voldemort.
[00:33:10]  And I think she was going to defeat him with girl power.
[00:33:13]  Excuse me, am I wrong, Warren?
[00:33:14]  Harmony did not defeat Voldemort.
[00:33:15]  That is just wrong.
[00:33:16]  Well, maybe in J.K.
[00:33:18]  Rowling's transphobic revisions.
[00:33:20]  But from what I remember, Harmony was Harry's stage name when he went to drag shows.
[00:33:28]  The only way the Republicans can beat Joe Biden is because there's two people in this world that can get away with anything.
[00:33:34]  People with dementia that are old and toddlers.
[00:33:37]  That's about it.
[00:33:38]  That's true.
[00:33:39]  That's actually a good point.
[00:33:40]  So they need to like lower the age.
[00:33:41]  They need like a Hasbulla.
[00:33:43]  Dude, you know?
[00:33:44]  He's 30, he can still legally do it, but he looks like a toddler.
[00:33:48]  Oh, interesting.
[00:33:49]  And he gets up on stage and the American people are honestly at the point where they're like, he's youthful, you know?
[00:33:55]  He knows what the American people want!
[00:33:57]  And how could you vote against a midget?
[00:33:59]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:34:00]  Who do you think you are?
[00:34:01]  So one of the other things that came up with Lance on the show is that Canada is not a communist revolution or whatever.
[00:34:09]  And that it wasn't that bad or something like that.
[00:34:11]  Wait, what happened?
[00:34:12]  In the beginning of the show, he was saying something like people think Canada is going through some kind of communist revolution, but it's not.
[00:34:16]  It's actually pretty fine.
[00:34:18]  No, it's not.
[00:34:19]  And I'm like, I don't know, like, this was before the show, I said, you know, in the United States, they like shut down churches, it was pretty bad, and they were like shutting down businesses, but there are videos coming out of Canada where people were like, the cops went into their houses and pulled people out, and he goes, he did something like, we'll know that, no, but you know, there are instances, I'm like, no, no, there's videos of that happening!

=== Why 100% Taxation Fails (04:27) ===

[00:34:38]  And not to mention there's, you can look up the Fraser Institute report on this, I think it's from two years ago or something, where they calculate the total amount we pay in taxes when you include all of the sales tax, you know, income tax, everything, property, it's about like 60% of your income.
[00:34:53]  What percentage of our income do we have to be taxed before it's communism?
[00:34:57]  90%?
[00:34:58]  100%?
[00:34:59]  Well Bernie Sanders says he wants to tax anybody over a hundred million, I mean just shy of a billion at 99% or whatever.
[00:35:06]  Well, so, alright, this is a fact that's very inconvenient for the left-wing narrative, and I know conservatives mostly talk about the culture war, and they've strayed from economic issues, and I understand why, but it's important to state- I don't.
[00:35:18]  It pisses me off.
[00:35:20]  It makes me angry as well.
[00:35:23]  They will say the top marginal tax rate used to be 90%.
[00:35:25]  No one No one in the top marginal tax bracket, right, was paying 90% taxes.
[00:35:33]  They found workarounds.
[00:35:34]  Government revenues, federal revenues, have never, for any sustained period of time with any tax rate, surpassed 20% of GDP ever, no matter how high or low the tax rate is.
[00:35:46]  And in fact, it tends to hover around just below that 20% number, which would suggest that Art Laffer Was not pulling the Laffer Curve out of his rear without there being any legitimate basis for it.
[00:36:01]  What happens is, if you tax people at 100%, you end up getting 0% in revenue, because no one's going to work for money they can't have.
[00:36:08]  You tax people at 0%, you get 0% in revenue.
[00:36:11]  So you start with 0% on both sides of the tax curve, whether you're at 100% or 0%.
[00:36:16]  Which means there is a revenue maximizing point somewhere in the middle.
[00:36:21]  According to the data which says federal revenues have never exceeded 20% of GDP, that would indicate the Laffer curve is somewhere around 15-30% of tax rate, and that changes based on what you're taxing.
[00:36:33]  You said nobody will work for money they can't have if they slowly inch their way to that point?
[00:36:40]  And they form a system around it, they will.
[00:36:42]  Meaning, right now, in the United States, the average person is spending, what, 30% of their revenue goes to taxes?
[00:36:48]  But they don't even think about it, it doesn't exist to them.
[00:36:50]  They're told, you get $10 an hour, and the person immediately thinks, wow, $7 an hour.
[00:36:55]  Yeah.
[00:36:56]  Then their paycheck comes, and their paycheck is their paycheck.
[00:36:59]  So if we get to the point where everyone's taxed at 90%, people are going to be like, 100 bucks an hour?
[00:37:03]  That's so great, all of 100 bucks, you don't have to work.
[00:37:05]  But statistically, what we see is that as these tax rates increase, federal revenue doesn't, and it's because people either stop working or they find work around the tax code.
[00:37:15]  But that's not modern monetary policy.
[00:37:17]  Well, modern monetary theory is different.
[00:37:19]  The goal of taxes is to extract money from a system.
[00:37:22]  Yes.
[00:37:22]  So, the federal government can spend money they don't have, and then to control for inflation, they take it from you.
[00:37:28]  Yes.
[00:37:28]  They're spending your money without taxing you.
[00:37:30]  So, there's a slight difference, right?
[00:37:32]  No, you're right.
[00:37:33]  With MMT, they are only taxing to prevent inflation from occurring.
[00:37:38]  But, even with MMT, because inflation is just another form of taxation, you still end up having an effective real tax rate, even if it's unacknowledged.
[00:37:48]  And the higher that rate is, the less people are either willing to use your currency and start bartering outside of the system, or the less work they do because they can't see the fruits of their labor.
[00:37:56]  Okay, I understand why Republicans don't talk about economic issues anymore.
[00:38:01]  I'm like...
[00:38:04]  You don't think this is important?
[00:38:07]  For just a moment ago, she's like, of course, I still talk about tax issues.
[00:38:10]  This is very important.
[00:38:12]  How do you feel about the elimination of the bond market that would occur with MMT?
[00:38:16]  How do you feel about the fact that they wouldn't have to sell and buy bonds?
[00:38:20]  Does that bother you, Lauren?
[00:38:23]  The banks are collapsing.
[00:38:25]  That's true.
[00:38:26]  That's, yeah, that's a thing.
[00:38:30]  PacWest is about to collapse now.
[00:38:31]  Is that exciting enough for you, Lauren?
[00:38:33]  Bank's collapsing.
[00:38:34]  AOC put forward that bill with, uh, what's his face?
[00:38:38]  Matt Gaetz.
[00:38:38]  Matt Gaetz for no more insider trading.
[00:38:41]  Yeah.
[00:38:42]  And she has big boobs.
[00:38:43]  But then how am I supposed to know?
[00:38:45]  She's evil.
[00:38:46]  How am I supposed to know where to invest?
[00:38:48]  She's cute.
[00:38:49]  I think she's evil.
[00:38:50]  If I can't see... Well, cute does not preclude evil.

=== Criminals and Their Delusional Framework (04:59) ===

[00:38:53]  Right.
[00:38:53]  Yeah.
[00:38:54]  But if AOC's tax rate... Listen, if AOC's tax rate... What's wrong with me?
[00:38:59]  I'm sorry.
[00:38:59]  I'm exhausted.
[00:39:00]  If these people can't trade stock, then how am I supposed to look at Nancy's portfolio and know where to invest?
[00:39:06]  So true.
[00:39:07]  Yeah, it's unfair, actually.
[00:39:09]  I'm tracking her husband.
[00:39:11]  I'm trying to do a little outsider trading.
[00:39:13]  You know what I mean?
[00:39:13]  It's difficult.
[00:39:14]  It's difficult when I can't look at Nancy's numbers.
[00:39:17]  It's her husband who does all the trading.
[00:39:18]  My bank account feels like an ice cube.
[00:39:21]  All I've done is save and save over the years and it's just slowly melting away because of inflation.
[00:39:26]  I'm like, where do I invest?
[00:39:27]  Well, I don't know because now Nancy Pelosi isn't going to be able to trade.
[00:39:32]  Nancy Pelosi is like the Jim Cramer that actually gets it right.
[00:39:37]  Inverse Kramer.
[00:39:37]  Exactly.
[00:39:38]  So let's talk about AOC, why I think she's evil, because you had that story of the... Because you want to date her?
[00:39:44]  Why are you so obsessed with her, Taylor?
[00:39:46]  What's going on?
[00:39:47]  She's a little weird.
[00:39:48]  She has so many feelings about AOC.
[00:39:51]  So there's that homeless guy who was threatening to kill people.
[00:39:54]  That's probably hyperbolic.
[00:39:55]  Homeless guy was threatening people saying he was not afraid to go to jail or die, which has like certain terroristic implications.
[00:40:01]  No, you don't say that all the time on the subway?
[00:40:03]  You don't just yell at the people on the subway that you're not afraid to go to jail or die?
[00:40:06]  Only when I want to fit in, because that's what, you know, fit in in New York.
[00:40:09]  So these three guys subdue him, dude dies, and now the left is protesting.
[00:40:14]  And this was like another thing that we brought up with Lance, I'm like...
[00:40:17]  Six months ago, we're talking about the people being pushed in front of trains in New York, and two people being killed in the process.
[00:40:23]  25 people pushed, two of them died.
[00:40:25]  And y'all don't protest or call this guy a murderer or say, why aren't the police arresting this murderer?
[00:40:29]  Like, nobody cares.
[00:40:31]  Two dead people.
[00:40:32]  But as soon as someone defends themselves from a violent, terroristic threat, you are now saying, lock up the victim.
[00:40:39]  AOC is, these people are on the side of chaos and destruction.
[00:40:44]  That's why I'm like, AOC is evil.
[00:40:46]  Yeah.
[00:40:48]  So this is probably similar in New York.
[00:40:50]  In Vancouver, Canada, they did a study last year and it showed 40 people were responsible for over 3,000 crimes that year.
[00:40:57]  Wow.
[00:40:58]  Yeah.
[00:40:58]  I think it's similar.
[00:40:59]  The numbers in New York are somehow a little lower, but it's same like 50 to 100 people, just serial criminals because of bail reform.
[00:41:09]  You look at that and it's like, just arrest them, put them away.
[00:41:12]  But they've got this infinite forgiveness system.
[00:41:15]  And there's something like they've convinced themselves that's moral about it.
[00:41:17]  Like people deserve a second and third chance, unless you disagree with me slightly politically.
[00:41:21]  But if you're like in the subway, stabbing people, running around robbing every store, I don't understand the infinite forgiveness for this people, but not for people that are trying to find their political place in the world.
[00:41:32]  This is the banality of evil.
[00:41:34]  It's demonic.
[00:41:36]  It's possession almost.
[00:41:38]  The system is falling apart, being ripped apart, and these people crawl up like nasty parasites and latch on to those seeking to defend themselves.
[00:41:47]  It's, uh, to quote, or to reference, the Gulag Archipelago, when he was like, if the criminal does it, well, that's unfortunate, it's in their nature, but if you do it, you knew better.
[00:42:00]  Well, and this is, exactly.
[00:42:02]  So, where this stems from initially, or how it catches fire in the culture, is through a false mercy or a false compassion, right?
[00:42:09]  So, mercy towards the pedophile is violence towards the child, and people need to keep that in mind.
[00:42:15]  And that's true of mercy towards the robber.
[00:42:18]  That is violence towards those who he might end up robbing or mugging.
[00:42:23]  Once we know someone is a threat, they have to be neutralized.
[00:42:27]  You have to find some way to either keep that person away from the rest of society, to rehabilitate them, to sufficiently punish them, to deter other criminals, and also, if it's possible, find some way to reintegrate them into society.
[00:42:39]  But we don't really make a concerted effort to do that anymore, especially in left-wing areas.
[00:42:43]  Because the dominant belief is the only reason crime is ever committed is because of underlying socio-economic factors.
[00:42:49]  And so, it's not just that they're being hypocritical and saying, these people disagree with us and so we're going to eliminate them from public life while giving criminals a slide, or giving criminals a pass and letting their behavior slide.
[00:43:02]  They actually believe that the reason the criminal acts the way the criminal acts is because of people who disagree with them.
[00:43:07]  Because we don't want to allocate resources to the social programs that they claim are a panacea for all societal ills, and that means, at bottom, we are responsible for the crimes being committed, so it makes sense from their delusional framework to punish us for saying things they disagree with, and not punish the people who are actually committing crimes.
[00:43:25]  This is, uh, I just went and saw Guardians of the Galaxy 3.
[00:43:28]  Just came out yesterday, Thursday previews.
[00:43:32]  I don't want to give any spoilers, but if you've seen the trailers, it's about the High Evolutionary.

=== Controversies In Autism Definitions (03:48) ===

[00:43:38]  What dat?
[00:43:39]  He wants to create a utopian society through genetically modifying people to make them perfect.
[00:43:43]  Well, that's intriguing.
[00:43:46]  I mean, it's such a common trope in media to be like, every bad guy's Hitler, you know what I mean?
[00:43:51]  But it's also because we're still living with it, right?
[00:43:53]  The progressive movement is the intellectual heir of eugenicism and early 20th century progressivism.
[00:43:59]  Well, that was an interesting thing.
[00:44:02]  Here we go talking about last night with Lance, is that when we were talking about abortion and pro-life versus pro-choice, his position was...
[00:44:12]  For any reason or no reason, a woman can end the life of the child within or no matter what, right?
[00:44:18]  And so, there were a few things I brought up.
[00:44:20]  I think that they're trying to genocide trans people, they're trying to genocide autistic people, and they're trying to genocide Down Syndrome people.
[00:44:27]  The Down Syndrome people, they fully admit to.
[00:44:30]  There is a Down Syndrome person genocide occurring on the planet.
[00:44:34]  Iceland proudly proclaims it, and the left is in favor of it.
[00:44:38]  That terrifies me.
[00:44:40]  And it terrifies us because if we get to the autists, all of us would be dead.
[00:44:45]  That's right.
[00:44:45]  I mean, but when autism, it's like you're being somewhat facetious, but when they're now... She's like, I don't know.
[00:44:54]  But when they're expanding the definition of autism.
[00:44:56]  Yeah.
[00:44:57]  And saying now everyone's autistic, and then you're getting these leftists who are claiming it's the funniest thing.
[00:45:01]  Yes, that's why you're in that category, because they've expanded the definition.
[00:45:04]  No, but I mean, like, these leftists are coming out being like, I think I'm autistic.
[00:45:07]  Shut up.
[00:45:08]  No, you're not.
[00:45:08]  Well, you have to have a mental disorder or you're boring these days.
[00:45:13]  There's a real thing to be said about this, right?
[00:45:15]  So, obviously, there are certain social difficulties and disabilities that should be addressed through specified care towards that person, trying to integrate them into society.
[00:45:27]  However, the argument that the left will make about Genuinely destructive psychological pathologies just being a matter of social construction and not being the threat that we think they are is actually true of a lot of psychological ills that the left wants to talk about and demonize.
[00:45:47]  So when it comes to saying that kids have ADHD or autism, oftentimes That's just a kid with a different learning style.
[00:45:54]  I'm not saying that's true 100% of the time, especially when we're talking about autism, because that's a much more complex issue.
[00:45:59]  I come from a family of special ed teachers.
[00:46:02]  Autism is a very broad umbrella term that captures many different manifestations.
[00:46:09]  And so I'm not arguing that, like, autism is a social construct or something along those lines, but when you look at people, for example, who have Asperger's, who might not have been diagnosed 40 or 50 years ago as having Asperger's, and people might have just said, this person's socially awkward, for example.
[00:46:24]  Well, a lot of those people, they are very fact-based, they're very evidence-based, and they, for whatever reason, don't have the same signals firing in their brain when they receive social disapproval.
[00:46:35]  Now, there's massive social utility in that.
[00:46:40]  We need people who are that way.
[00:46:44]  There might be a quality of life discussion to be had there, and it's good for us to have increased awareness and sensitivity towards that condition, but that person plays an important role in our social structures.
[00:46:53]  You do need people like that.
[00:46:55]  And I think that they are public enemy number one to people on the left and to ideologues because they can't be shamed and they see things very logically.
[00:47:06]  So they're willing to say, well, no, a man can't become a woman.
[00:47:08]  That doesn't make any sense.

=== Dave Rubin's Dilemma (15:11) ===

[00:47:10]  And when you go, you're a bigot, they don't care.
[00:47:12]  I have an idea.
[00:47:14]  Here's what we do.
[00:47:16]  Seamus, make a comic where the villain... Do like a graphic novel, so it's got a start and a finish.
[00:47:22]  And it turns out the villain, right?
[00:47:24]  This conservative, corporatist, you know, pro-war, pro-life guy is confronted by the superheroes and he's like, you think you can stop my evil plan?
[00:47:36]  My evil plan's been enacted for the past 20 years.
[00:47:40]  It's already happened.
[00:47:41]  And they're like, what?
[00:47:42]  No, how is it possible?
[00:47:43]  And he goes, I have convinced the Democrats to abort and sterilize their own children.
[00:47:48]  And then it's just like, show Democrats.
[00:47:52]  A villain, and his plan is quite literally what they're already doing to themselves.
[00:47:56]  The reason I say this is because I'm like, part of me wants to say to the conservatives, why are y'all so hell-bent on preserving the genetic lineage of people who are desperately trying to end it?
[00:48:07]  And it's like, I know the answer, it's because conservatives are immoral people.
[00:48:10]  They're made in God's image and likeness even if they're wrong.
[00:48:12]  Right, who believe like you shouldn't harm the children or whatever, and my attitude is kind of like, I don't know if I will win the argument with the left on terminating and sterilizing their kids, but I do know that in a hundred years they won't exist.
[00:48:24]  So when you see radical ideologues behaving the way those on the left do, where they're destroying others and destroying themselves, I think it makes perfectly clear that Christians have been correct for all of history with respect to the doctrine of original sin, right?
[00:48:38]  I just don't think you can deny that there is something in the human person that wants to destroy himself and others.
[00:48:46]  And in every society throughout all of history when behavior is kept unchecked, that manifests itself very, very clearly.
[00:48:53]  And the more we stray from Christianity and the more we stray from the natural law, the more viciously that manifests itself.
[00:48:59]  Let me, let me, let me, can I give you the Ian response?
[00:49:02]  Go ahead.
[00:49:03]  There are two wolves inside of us.
[00:49:06]  One is evil, one is good, which one wins?
[00:49:09]  The one you feed.
[00:49:12]  There's some truth in that.
[00:49:13]  I think that's a very wise way of putting it for a culture that existed outside of Christianity, right?
[00:49:19]  Because I believe that's an old Native American saying.
[00:49:22]  I don't think it's Native American.
[00:49:23]  I've heard it was Native American.
[00:49:24]  It could also be a complete fabrication by someone on Tumblr.
[00:49:28]  I have no idea.
[00:49:28]  It was some 50-year-old hippie lady who, and she was a white liberal woman in the 70s or something, and then she told everyone it was Native American so that they'd believe it.
[00:49:36]  No, it was a 40-year-old virgin on Reddit.
[00:49:38]  Yeah, right.
[00:49:39]  It could be something like that.
[00:49:40]  And they quoted themselves.
[00:49:42]  There is something, and so you point this out when you say, well, the left are destroying themselves.
[00:49:47]  Without God, man destroys himself.
[00:49:49]  It's not just that he doesn't attain perfection.
[00:49:51]  It's that he dives headfirst into hell.
[00:49:54]  He goes into the opposite direction.
[00:49:56]  I'm not a Calvinist.
[00:49:57]  I don't believe in total depravity.
[00:49:59]  I believe that humans suffer from original sin, but I believe that there's goodness in us as well.
[00:50:05]  However, When human beings are left unchecked and they go down the road of vice, they do end up pulling themselves down into hell and everyone else around them down into hell with them.
[00:50:15]  Yeah.
[00:50:15]  Well, people feel very judged.
[00:50:17]  Like, I'm sure you guys have been in situations, certainly in the media stratosphere, where it's like someone will pull out a line of cocaine and it's like, no, I'm good on that.
[00:50:25]  I've never had that happen.
[00:50:26]  And they're like, who do you think you are?
[00:50:27]  You think you're better?
[00:50:27]  You think you're better than us?
[00:50:29]  It's like...
[00:50:32]  I don't have a similar experience with like cocaine and conservative media.
[00:50:37]  Lauren, you're allowed to say whatever you want.
[00:50:38]  I haven't had similar like experiences with drugs, but I will say in general, that's kind of the experience of anyone who is the Christian at all, right?
[00:50:47]  You don't have to say anything to somebody about the choices they're making, but if they know that you disapprove of them, even if you haven't voiced that disapproval, they become very upset with you.
[00:50:56]  Well, because every single human being, even though we are flawed, There's something inside of us that knows the difference between right and wrong, and I think it's possible to silence that voice, but... Real quick, I agree, and I think last night's conversation really exemplifies that.
[00:51:13]  The conversation that Seamus and I are having is, let's look at the world from a logical perspective.
[00:51:18]  What are our goals?
[00:51:19]  What do we agree on?
[00:51:20]  Like, we all agree the world should be better.
[00:51:22]  Humans should be better.
[00:51:23]  We want people to be happier.
[00:51:24]  Let's now work through the process by which we can accomplish those goals.
[00:51:28]  The left was saying simply, What do I have to say to fit in properly?
[00:51:33]  But when it came to the conversation about meth and choice, Lance had a clear cognitive dissonance in that he knows he cannot say a woman should be allowed to do meth while pregnant.
[00:51:49]  He knows there's something wrong with that, but he knows his side told him women should be allowed to kill their baby whenever they want.
[00:51:57]  That So, hence, what did he say?
[00:51:59]  He said, a woman should not be allowed to do meth because it's intentionally killing the baby.
[00:52:03]  Even though a second prior, he said, a woman should be allowed to intentionally kill the baby.
[00:52:06]  This is something that I've been trying to wrap my head around and have actually found sympathy towards the left for.
[00:52:12]  I think that there's this all-encompassing defense of sometimes behavior that doesn't make sense or that will seem like horrible behavior if you're trying to explain it or justify it in any sort of media setting.
[00:52:23]  And I think that often comes from the left because there's this radical acceptance of brokenness that the right in some way offers through Christianity.
[00:52:33]  But in the same sense, because the church is imperfect, because humans are very judgmental and there's also a large component that is not Christian of the right, There is, without a doubt, an extremely judgmental side to the right wing.
[00:52:45]  And people who are very aware, or shameful, or maybe even grew up in religious communities that have that internal shame are like, I would rather join the side that is going to accept me for all of my brokenness.
[00:52:55]  And not just that, and this is the fundamental problem with the left is not the acceptance, but the Lifting it up as a virtue.
[00:53:01]  Mm-hmm.
[00:53:02]  Look at all gents.
[00:53:03]  Yeah, do you connect?
[00:53:05]  I was just that Look at Milo Milo is a gay man What Milo says that he will no longer is former gay.
[00:53:15]  He says he he's celibate He will no longer act upon these things.
[00:53:18]  Okay, the left then says Milo claims.
[00:53:21]  He's straight.
[00:53:21]  They lie.
[00:53:22]  Okay Milo is in the position where He's engaging in a behavior that the right views as aberrant, you know, or something like that.
[00:53:34]  And he's decided he wants to be a better person, so he will abstain from these behaviors.
[00:53:39]  The left is the inverse of that.
[00:53:40]  They say they have a depravity or an aberrant behavior, and they demand you accept it so that they stop feeling bad about doing it.
[00:53:47]  Yeah, and so this goes back to the point that I actually was going to make a moment ago, so I'm glad you said that.
[00:53:55]  When a person is behaving badly, and you're not, and they know that you're not, you become a proxy for their conscience.
[00:54:03]  Yep.
[00:54:04]  They're not mad at you, they're mad at themselves.
[00:54:07]  Agreed.
[00:54:07]  And they're at war with their conscience, and now they see you, whether you have articulated it or not, Making it clear that that behavior is unacceptable and so now they have to regard you with the same contempt that they do the voice in their head that tells them what they're doing is wrong.
[00:54:21]  This is the best explanation of original sin or the easiest way it's ever been articulated for me to understand it.
[00:54:28]  Right?
[00:54:28]  That there is something within people that would drive them to depravity or amoral behavior.
[00:54:35]  And everyone has it within them, and we have to actively choose to be better people.
[00:54:39]  That is, there are things that give us gratification and pleasure, but we recognize you shouldn't just act upon all of these things.
[00:54:46]  They could be bad, they could be destructive.
[00:54:48]  The left seems to be saying, especially with the child drag shows, where they're saying it's not going to look itself and things like that, you should just stop making them feel bad about it.
[00:54:59]  Exactly.
[00:54:59]  But that means they know something they're doing is invoking a negative reaction.
[00:55:03]  Have you guys ever listened to Gabor Maté?
[00:55:06]  He's an incredible psychologist.
[00:55:08]  He worked on a lot of addiction cases on the East End in Vancouver, Canada.
[00:55:14]  And he says the one common thing that he's found amongst addicts is not, he says it's not actually the addiction that they're struggling with, but it's some sort of painkiller.
[00:55:25]  That every vice is a painkiller for something people have been through.
[00:55:29]  And so I think that the world is very broken and I think there are a lot of people that actually, I think most people start out wanting what conservatives put up as the vision.
[00:55:38]  They want the family, they want the white picket fence, they want all of that, they want the community.
[00:55:42]  And then something happens in their life that sets it astray and they begin finding painkillers, coping mechanisms that are vices.
[00:55:49]  And then they look at conservatives shaming them and they say, "I am, how could, like they're already psychologically in enough trauma, can't get through it, they can't deal with the shame.
[00:55:57]  So they go to the side that accepts them when, when fundamentally broken people exist in this world, I don't think it's gonna be any internet shaming this or that.
[00:56:06]  It has to be community, real people that go and help them, and it's the internet, the radical acceptance, and the radical rejection that is sending people further into the spiraling.
[00:56:14]  But so what's happening now is for people like me, disaffected liberals, traditional or classical liberals, You can have views the right doesn't like, but they will sit down with you and have a conversation.
[00:56:29]  It's remarkable how the left recoils at the idea of Dave Rubin and Ben Shapiro being friends.
[00:56:34]  Because they were like, Ben Shapiro opposes gay marriage and thinks what Dave Rubin is doing is wrong.
[00:56:39]  And Glenn Beck says that Dave Rubin shouldn't have kids.
[00:56:43]  And I'm like, isn't it funny that we all know that?
[00:56:45]  That Dave Rubin is well aware of that.
[00:56:48]  And the issue is, despite the very serious moral disagreements, there's still an effort between these individuals to be compassionate towards each other and to try and find a way to accept each other or save each other.
[00:57:02]  And the left outright says, if you're not with us, you're against us.
[00:57:05]  So what's the end result?
[00:57:07]  Dave Rubin, who by every basic right should be on the side of the individuals who are saying, he can do these things, finds himself on the side of the people who are saying, we don't like that he's doing these things.
[00:57:16]  Because they're still nicer to him!
[00:57:18]  They're still like... The left doesn't seem to get it, they can't grasp this.
[00:57:22]  Dave Rubin is a grifter because he's friends with these people.
[00:57:25]  No!
[00:57:25]  These people are friends with him and they're being nice to him despite not liking or agreeing with what he does.
[00:57:30]  The left will tell you, you're with us or you're against us, so nobody who has any, like...
[00:57:36]  By all rights, my position on abortion is not conservative, and the left should be trying to win me over and say we accept that you're halfway there.
[00:57:44]  Instead, they tell me to screw off, I'm a conservative, and then Steven Crowder's the one who came to me and said, I agree with, I accept your proposal, Tim.
[00:57:51]  We as conservatives will accept restrictions on abortion to a certain degree if that means we save more lives.
[00:57:59]  The left tells me to screw off.
[00:58:00]  Politics has become about ego.
[00:58:01]  It's like you can't give an inch, you can't give, well, that's how humans, Negotiate.
[00:58:05]  That's how they engage with one another.
[00:58:07]  You have to try to understand from their perspective, but no, that's cocked or that's too bigoted.
[00:58:13]  Real quick, several years ago, I went on Crowder's show and I said, I think, you know, I'm pro-choice, there's some limits and blah, blah, blah.
[00:58:21]  And he said, OK, as a conservative, I will accept that you have that position.
[00:58:26]  So I'm willing to compromise 12 weeks.
[00:58:28]  We will say at this point the baby is viable.
[00:58:31]  We shouldn't have any reason to kill it.
[00:58:33]  Uh, except in medical emergencies.
[00:58:34]  And I was like, I agree with that.
[00:58:35]  That works.
[00:58:36]  And he goes, let's take that compromise.
[00:58:37]  Where's the left?
[00:58:38]  And I'm like, you're right.
[00:58:39]  I completely disagree with them.
[00:58:40]  Instead of trying to win me over or form a compromise, the left says all or nothing.
[00:58:44]  The end result is going to be a coalition of, of moderate liberals, moderates, traditional liberals, and conservatives forming the larger faction because the left is forcing us to, to, to like, they're not giving us a position.
[00:58:57]  They're saying you either agree with us wholeheartedly, join the cult or else.
[00:59:00]  Yeah, well, this is interesting.
[00:59:01]  So, my feelings on that are a little bit complicated, but I'll add this.
[00:59:05]  I think maybe we're saying the same thing.
[00:59:07]  What Pope St.
[00:59:09]  John Paul II said is that Catholics can accept a compromise on abortion if that's the only option, and it will push things in the direction of abortion stopping.
[00:59:19]  So, for example, if there's legislation that's proposed that says, you know, we will illegalize abortion after this point in time, as we have a lot of these bills now, let's say after six weeks.
[00:59:29]  The Catholic position is no abortion ever, but it's okay for us to support that law if it's the only one available, or to vote for that law if it's the only one available, so that we can eventually get to the point where there are no abortions, because fewer babies dying is better than that law not passing and then many of them dying.
[00:59:45]  But the position can't be like, oh yes, we should have a permanent state of affairs where these abortions are okay and these aren't.
[00:59:51]  But the simple position is, For the past several years, at least in my experience, the right is playing for the long-term victory and the left is demanding instant gratification.
[01:00:01]  The right is saying to me, we accept your terms and we'll work towards a better future.
[01:00:06]  I'll take what you're offering.
[01:00:07]  And then in two years, we'll try and do it again in two years.
[01:00:10]  And we'll keep pushing until abortion is not legal anywhere.
[01:00:12]  And now you're seeing people who used to be pro-choice are now pro-life.
[01:00:17]  Former liberals who used to agree with Democrats are abandoning the position and just saying, like, you know what?
[01:00:21]  I think you've lost your moral argument.
[01:00:23]  Well, and this is one of those things, so they'll accuse you of being conservative.
[01:00:26]  There are many people on the left who they'll accuse of being conservative who are pro-choice.
[01:00:31]  I mean, I'm sorry, but if you're not pro-life, you're not conservative.
[01:00:33]  I agree.
[01:00:33]  It's like the fundamental issue.
[01:00:35]  That, I mean, that really is at bottom which side you're on with respect to basically every cultural issue.
[01:00:42]  At least just in terms of your framework, the way you view the world.
[01:00:46]  I just, and like in what world is someone who is in any respect pro-choice a conservative person?
[01:00:53]  You can't be.
[01:00:54]  You literally can't be.
[01:00:54]  Not a single conservative would accept that.
[01:00:57]  Not a single conservative.
[01:00:58]  Every single conservative I know would be like, that's a liberal position.
[01:01:01]  Yeah, but I think those words are constantly changing.
[01:01:03]  I just put out a tweet the other day where I said, listen, I'm not calling myself a conservative anymore, I'm not calling myself a libertarian, nothing.
[01:01:09]  Because the definitions of these ideologies and the moral standards people are held to to be a part of them are changing so quickly.
[01:01:18]  I don't know what the definition of conservative in six months is going to be.
[01:01:21]  I just don't know.
[01:01:22]  9/11, a lot of their, you know, we didn't land on the moon, great people.
[01:01:26]  But they were like hardcore leftists and I think they'd be considered right wing today.
[01:01:31]  I really do.
[01:01:32]  - Oh yeah, for sure.
[01:01:32]  - Or they'd be considered some sort of, and I don't know.
[01:01:35]  - Spall would be right wing.
[01:01:35]  - Well, there's the thing. - I don't know what the definition of conservative in six months is gonna be.
[01:01:38]  - Exactly.
[01:01:39]  - I just don't know. - I remember a time when you had to be conservative in order to be considered far right.
[01:01:45]  Yeah.
[01:01:45]  Right.
[01:01:46]  Right.
[01:01:46]  Yeah.
[01:01:46]  Now you're far right because you just opposed the left on something.
[01:01:51]  I love Dave.
[01:01:54]  Dave Smith's fantastic.
[01:01:55]  And I love how there's like those clips from Fox Business where they're like, you're a Trump supporter.
[01:01:59]  And he's like, what?
[01:02:00]  He's like.
[01:02:01]  I hate Trump!
[01:02:02]  I complain about Trump all the time!
[01:02:03]  She's like, Trump should be hung for war crimes.
[01:02:05]  It's like, oh my gosh, dude.

=== Alarming Wonderings About 2024 (02:44) ===

[01:02:06]  Yeah, it doesn't sound like a big fan.
[01:02:09]  That classic MAGA talking point, Trump should be hung for war crimes.
[01:02:14]  There you go, Dave Smith, like as if he's a Trump supporter.
[01:02:17]  I just, and Michael Malice as well, like the left is a cult.
[01:02:21]  They cannot fathom that there is this whole spectrum of disagreement outside and we're all hanging out with each other.
[01:02:28]  Michael Malice coming on this show, not a leftist, saying abolish the police.
[01:02:32]  And he's more likely to culturally agree with conservatives.
[01:02:36]  That's the thing, yeah.
[01:02:37]  I enjoy talking with Michael Malice because I feel like we have enough common ground, but there's enough to argue about too.
[01:02:43]  You know, we'll sort of give each other a little bit of pushback, so it sharpens the rhetorical tools, so to speak.
[01:02:48]  And it's just exhausting when you're having a conversation with someone who is committed to misunderstanding you, and I think that happens when you talk with a lot of left-wing people.
[01:03:00]  You know?
[01:03:00]  They really can't hear what you're saying because if they do and they go along with you and you end up saying something that they can't deny is true, then their audience gets upset with them.
[01:03:09]  And they don't want their audience to be upset with them.
[01:03:12]  Yeah.
[01:03:13]  Tim, what are you doing?
[01:03:15]  I just got a notification and I have to pull this up.
[01:03:18]  No worries.
[01:03:18]  I have to pull it.
[01:03:19]  No, you guys want me to.
[01:03:20]  I drank way too much of this.
[01:03:21]  Hold on.
[01:03:21]  Hold on.
[01:03:21]  John, take my seat for two seconds.
[01:03:24]  Okay.
[01:03:24]  We got breaking news.
[01:03:25]  Oh, do we?
[01:03:27]  Are you kidding me?
[01:03:28]  Is somebody trolling you, buddy?
[01:03:30]  It's from 19 hours ago.
[01:03:31]  Kanye West hires Milo Yiannopoulos back to lead his 2024 campaign.
[01:03:37]  Are you serious?
[01:03:38]  Did he realize he really needed him the whole time?
[01:03:40]  Bringing in former collaborator Milo back into the mix.
[01:03:44]  Wow.
[01:03:45]  I got a notification.
[01:03:47]  You got it 19 hours late, though.
[01:03:49]  I know, I know.
[01:03:50]  Someone sent it to me.
[01:03:51]  So are you voting Yay 2024, Tim?
[01:03:54]  I don't know, man.
[01:03:55]  You know, it's tough because I don't know if Yay actually has properly thought out his positions.
[01:04:02]  You know, like, he said all that stuff about Hitler.
[01:04:05]  Those are kind of alarming things.
[01:04:08]  I'm kind of like, I'm wondering if he's thought through.
[01:04:13]  You know what's funny is a lot of people came to his defense over that, and like, his point was that he as a Christian loves everybody, and I'm like, I understand the attempt, but for the love of all that is holy, there are people who are evil, and like, come on, man.
[01:04:31]  You know, but Ian tried defending Ye after that happened, saying he's trying to say he's a good Christian and he loves everybody, and I'm like, I get it, but some people, like, dude, what are you talking about?

=== Analogizing Ideologies (09:20) ===

[01:04:43]  Like, and what I can't stand is how the left often just isolates Hitler, Stalin, Che Guevara, Mao Zedong.
[01:04:51]  I mean, like, there are just very, very evil, demonic people who must be stopped.
[01:04:56]  And there's, look, Did Hitler like dogs?
[01:05:00]  I'm sure.
[01:05:00]  I don't consider that even a redeeming quality of the man.
[01:05:03]  You know what I mean?
[01:05:03]  For sure, but there's also something very bizarre about the fact that Hitler is the only evil person the left can identify in the 20th century.
[01:05:12]  Well, Voldemort.
[01:05:13]  Yeah, and Voldemort.
[01:05:14]  So like, yes, obviously Hitler was a horrifically evil person.
[01:05:18]  Stalin and Mao and Mao Zedong also were.
[01:05:21]  It's just fascinating to me that there's only one person in the 20th century who we can all agree is evil.
[01:05:27]  Stalin was also evil, but you've got tankies who will go off.
[01:05:30]  No, he wasn't that bad.
[01:05:32]  And there are people on the left who won't say that they're tankies, but they'll effectively engage in In genocide denial, the likes of which would get somebody called a neo-nazi, but what they do it when they're talking about Stalin or Mao, so it's considered acceptable.
[01:05:47]  Oh, there's no way he could have killed that many people.
[01:05:49]  Okay, well, you're just a Holocaust denier at this point, right?
[01:05:51]  You know what I'm really excited for?
[01:05:53]  So, J.K.
[01:05:54]  Rowling writes a book series that's basically about magical Hitler.
[01:05:59]  Voldemort is a killer?
[01:06:00]  Yeah, he is.
[01:06:02]  I told you, I believe in anti-Harry Potter action.
[01:06:06]  Have you read all the books?
[01:06:08]  No, I've not read Harry Potter.
[01:06:09]  The story is, Voldemort, he's not a pure-blood wizard himself, he's a half-blood wizard, and he believes only wizards born of two wizard parents should be in control.
[01:06:23]  - Voldemort. - Tim's explaining why he agrees with Voldemort.
[01:06:25]  And why he's the best character in the- - Voldemort wants pure blood wizard supremacy.
[01:06:30]  - So he's Hitler basically.
[01:06:31]  - He's magic Hitler.
[01:06:32]  - I didn't realize.
[01:06:33]  - And they call Hermione a mudblood because her parents are non-magical, but she has magic powers.
[01:06:37]  So she's, you know, JK Rowling.
[01:06:39]  Rowling writes this whole book, which is basically just, it's wizards, and then the bad guy's Hitler.
[01:06:45]  And then, she makes a new series, and it's called Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them.
[01:06:49]  Guess what that's about?
[01:06:51]  It's the 1920s, and there's a different Magic Hitler who believes the exact same things.
[01:06:56]  They're like, wait, hold on.
[01:06:56]  No, no, no.
[01:06:57]  They're not Magic Hitler.
[01:06:58]  The wizards are an impressed people.
[01:07:00]  The wizards are?
[01:07:02]  It's Magic Malcolm X.
[01:07:06]  Voldemort is magical.
[01:07:10]  I am looking forward to now the new story that JK Rowling writes, the sequel to Harry Potter, where there is a roving band of transmogrifiers who are trying to forcefully turn the children of Hogwarts into animals.
[01:07:26]  Yeah.
[01:07:27]  And they're convincing the kids it's better to be an animal.
[01:07:30]  You see, my point is this.
[01:07:31]  J.K.
[01:07:31]  Rowling knows one evil Hitler.
[01:07:34]  She writes a story and the villain is just Magic Hitler.
[01:07:36]  Now that she's under fire from the trans community, the next story she's gonna write is gonna be some kind of weird anti-communist thing.
[01:07:42]  Well, it's also, it's funny to me too, you know, I've said this before, conservatives will hold anyone who the left dislikes up as a hero, and I think they've done a good job not doing that with J.K.
[01:07:53]  Rowling.
[01:07:54]  Fortunately, I think most conservatives still aren't huge fans of her and her politics.
[01:07:58]  Take the win, bro!
[01:07:59]  No, I hear you, but my point is simply that- But what's wrong with her politics?
[01:08:03]  J.K.
[01:08:03]  Rowling?
[01:08:04]  She's definitely left.
[01:08:05]  Remember when she rewrote Voldemort?
[01:08:06]  Or she rewrote, um, Dumbledore to be gay?
[01:08:08]  Yeah, and Hermione's black.
[01:08:08]  She retconned that, and Hermione's black now.
[01:08:09]  But that's, that's... She plays no identity politics, but hold on.
[01:08:11]  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no She then got shoved by the left into the hands of the right.
[01:08:20]  No, no, I get it, but I'm also saying that I haven't heard many right-wing people go, oh, she's the greatest.
[01:08:24]  This is the only point that I'm trying to make here.
[01:08:26]  And that's a problem.
[01:08:27]  No, no, no.
[01:08:28]  I think it's good, but that's not even the point I'm trying to make.
[01:08:30]  No, you're wrong.
[01:08:31]  Wrong.
[01:08:31]  Excuse me, wrong.
[01:08:32]  I think that the right should say, we are glad J.K.
[01:08:35]  Rowling stood up for this and said this thing, and that's good, while still recognizing we don't agree with her on everything.
[01:08:40]  Wrong.
[01:08:40]  Excuse me, excuse me.
[01:08:42]  Quite frankly, Tim, You're disagreeing!
[01:08:45]  No, I'm Fauci, you're Trump.
[01:08:46]  The simple point I'm trying to make is what J.K.
[01:08:49]  Rowling said was I don't think women should be called menstruator.
[01:08:54]  She basically made a tweet about the fact that women shouldn't be called menstruator.
[01:08:57]  And the left went, she's genociding people!
[01:08:59]  It's a genocide!
[01:09:00]  It's like, oh my goodness, that's all it took?
[01:09:02]  That's all it took?
[01:09:04]  She's on the left with basically every issue, but she said, please don't call me menstruator, which is fair.
[01:09:08]  In a workplace, calling a woman menstruator will get you sent to HR.
[01:09:11]  And J.K.
[01:09:11]  Rowling is simply voicing on Twitter that on a wide social scale, she doesn't like that nomenclature.
[01:09:15]  Do you want to win, Seamus?
[01:09:17]  No, I want to save my soul.
[01:09:19]  Do you want to save the souls of other people?
[01:09:22]  Yeah.
[01:09:23]  I know where you're going with this.
[01:09:24]  The largest intellectual property of our generation is the writer of that, who has just licensed the show to HBO.
[01:09:32]  They're redoing Harry Potter as a series, and it's going to be massive with seven seasons like Game of Thrones.
[01:09:39]  She needs to write the next chapters of this universe.
[01:09:43]  And now that her mind has been opened to the horrors of the left, there's an opportunity for the right to say, please hear what we have to say.
[01:09:50]  And when the right approaches her with a delicious butterbeer and says, have a drink, she'll say, please explain.
[01:09:58]  Then she'll say, I did not know those things.
[01:10:00]  Then when she writes a story that will be read by millions, hundreds of millions of children, And it explains the horrors of left-wing ideology.
[01:10:09]  You will have won one of the biggest culture war battles of our generation.
[01:10:14]  There's a lot there.
[01:10:15]  I don't necessarily disagree with the overarching statement you're making.
[01:10:20]  I'm just saying it drives me crazy when conservatives go, this person is right about one thing, BEAST!
[01:10:25]  It's like, man, the bar is so low.
[01:10:27]  The bar is so low.
[01:10:28]  She's like, don't call me menstruator.
[01:10:31]  We're like, BEAST!
[01:10:32]  It's so burst!
[01:10:33]  It's like that's the bare minimum.
[01:10:35]  Yes, but you have to move the line.
[01:10:36]  No, I hear you.
[01:10:38]  Look, I'm not saying it's not good that she said that.
[01:10:40]  That's not what I'm saying.
[01:10:41]  I'm saying I don't like when conservatives worship somebody who's just slightly less than all the other lefties.
[01:10:47]  Let's say there's a football field.
[01:10:50]  No.
[01:10:50]  With two end zones.
[01:10:51]  I reject your analogy.
[01:10:52]  100 yards.
[01:10:54]  And everyone right now is at the 10-yard line towards the left goal post.
[01:11:00]  And J.K.
[01:11:01]  Rowling is right there.
[01:11:03]  And you say, okay, here's what we can do.
[01:11:04]  We can fire her out of a cannon to the right wing end zone.
[01:11:09]  Or we can take her by the hand and start walking.
[01:11:12]  What would happen if you fired her out of the cannon?
[01:11:15]  She would explode into a million pieces and would be dead.
[01:11:18]  That's- I'm not- To be clear, I disavow!
[01:11:20]  I'm not advocating!
[01:11:20]  If you take her by the hand and start walking her slowly, it will take a long time, but she will actually make it closer to that end zone.
[01:11:27]  My point is in this analogy, you can't force someone from the far end to the other far end overnight.
[01:11:33]  Let me make a much cooler analogy.
[01:11:35]  So let's say we also have a football field, right?
[01:11:37]  And we have a football player.
[01:11:38]  And we have one football player who says, you know what?
[01:11:40]  I think touchdowns are at the 10-yard line.
[01:11:43]  So when I get to that 10-yard line, I'm just gonna stay there and I'm not gonna go all the way to the other side.
[01:11:48]  Okay, we can say that's great that they were able to move the football to that other side of the field, but they're not exactly the most effective player.
[01:11:54]  They're not exactly the most effective player.
[01:11:56]  The better analogy, excuse me, would be that when the football team Moves the line of scrimmage, so the football's thrown, the guy catches it, he makes it past, I don't know enough about football, but he makes it past the line of scrimmage.
[01:12:11]  Let's not pretend any of us watch sports.
[01:12:12]  My point is this, if you're at the 10 yard line and you're on defense and you intercept the ball, And then you push it and move the line back, now in possession?
[01:12:24]  You cheer for that!
[01:12:25]  The crowd goes wild!
[01:12:26]  But what if the football player stops at that line and they throw, they spike the ball in the ground and they TOUCHDOWN!
[01:12:31]  I did it!
[01:12:31]  And everyone goes, yeah, that's a touchdown!
[01:12:33]  That's not what's happening!
[01:12:34]  And it's like, no, that's not where we're trying to go.
[01:12:36]  When J.K.
[01:12:36]  Rowling says, don't call me a menstruator, and everyone yells, based, they're cheering they move the line back.
[01:12:41]  No, I agree.
[01:12:42]  That's it.
[01:12:42]  No, look, I don't disagree with that.
[01:12:44]  I don't disagree with that.
[01:12:45]  I'm just saying I don't like the way that the right starts to idolize these people.
[01:12:49]  That's my only point.
[01:12:50]  I think we should, when somebody does something good that moves the ball in the right direction, so to speak, I think we should praise it.
[01:12:55]  But I don't think we should make them an icon.
[01:12:57]  And I think conservatives have done a good job of not turning her into an icon.
[01:12:59]  I actually appreciate that.
[01:13:01]  When Bill Maher or Jon Stewart say something that slightly transgresses upon the realm of the reasonable, conservatives go, they're so based!
[01:13:08]  It's like, no, okay, it was good that they said that thing, but we have to remember who this person is.
[01:13:15]  I'm just imagining you guys in an empty football stadium screaming at each other with the ball, trying to argue about this.
[01:13:20]  But I was just thinking, like, I don't even know if she's in the realm of, like, left-right at all.
[01:13:25]  Like, if she's even— I think she's in an entire— I think she's on a— She's a witch?
[01:13:28]  She's a Satanist?
[01:13:28]  She's playing ice hockey while you guys are at the football stadium.
[01:13:32]  No, I— One of the biggest mistakes of the 2016 election— That was a Canadian thing to say.
[01:13:36]  That was a very Canadian thing to say.
[01:13:38]  Is she curling over there?

=== Why Dumbledore Matters (15:44) ===

[01:13:41]  One of the biggest mistakes of the 2016 election, I think, was actually the Make America Great Again logo.
[01:13:44]  I wore the hat, I loved it, you know, all that.
[01:13:46]  But I look back on it and I'm like, there's no way we can recreate the 50s, the 60s.
[01:13:51]  We can, you know, wear the aesthetic fashion or this or that, you know.
[01:13:55]  But it's always going to be an aesthetic thing.
[01:13:56]  You can't recreate times past.
[01:13:58]  You can't recreate movements past.
[01:14:00]  You need new things.
[01:14:01]  And I see JK Rowling.
[01:14:03]  She's not a conservative.
[01:14:04]  She's not a right winger.
[01:14:05]  But she's kind of started this new rad femme movement that I actually really appreciate.
[01:14:10]  I was walking around my small town.
[01:14:12]  in Canada and saw stickers saying "Dump your porn sick boyfriend" and other ones saying "Protect women's spaces" and it's like a left-wing area.
[01:14:21]  But this is like a movement that transcends left and right.
[01:14:23]  It's new, it's interesting, transcends.
[01:14:27]  And that's what we need.
[01:14:29]  We don't necessarily need the same age-old archetypes we're convincing back and forth.
[01:14:35]  Not to say I don't have my biases there, but there has to be something new for a... Modern problems require modern solutions.
[01:14:44]  I don't entirely agree with that.
[01:14:45]  I think there's some truth in that.
[01:14:47]  I knew you wouldn't.
[01:14:48]  That's why my arms are crossed.
[01:14:49]  I'm very angry right now with both of you.
[01:14:51]  I'm surrounded by people who are wrong about things, and so my arms are crossed.
[01:14:56]  I believe that when it comes to people like TERFs, We sh- I 100% agree just as I think it's great that Matt Gaetz and AOC are working together to pass legislation that says people who are elected officials should not be able to trade.
[01:15:12]  I would also say that we should be willing to work with people with whom we disagree when there's common ground and we can achieve something together.
[01:15:19]  Absolutely no argument for me there.
[01:15:21]  However, we need to keep in mind the substantive differences.
[01:15:26]  Who's we?
[01:15:27]  Us!
[01:15:27]  Who's we?
[01:15:28]  And that's exactly what we're trying to figure out, right?
[01:15:30]  Who is we?
[01:15:32]  And what are our principles?
[01:15:33]  In trying to find that our people are pure and inclined to believe!
[01:15:37]  It's not parody spiraling!
[01:15:38]  You say that conservatives should mean something!
[01:15:41]  Of course it should, but it doesn't anymore!
[01:15:46]  My position is not that we refuse to collaborate with anyone with whom we can make ground in the culture war.
[01:15:53]  My position is to simply say we need to operate from a position of principle and we need to remember that all of the TERFs right now who are saying men should not be able to invade women's spaces were cheering 10, 20, 30, 40, and 50 years ago every single time men's spaces were invaded by women.
[01:16:11]  And now they are receiving their just desserts and they're saying, I don't like how this tastes.
[01:16:17]  They're not the same people.
[01:16:18]  And so what we should be doing is saying, we will work with you on pushing the left back.
[01:16:24]  However, your root principles are bad and we need to help you understand that.
[01:16:27]  That's simply what I'm saying.
[01:16:28]  Yeah, I agree with him.
[01:16:28]  They're not the same people.
[01:16:29]  The women who are saying we want our women's only gym are not the ones saying we need the... They're like, have your man's gym.
[01:16:35]  We don't want to be in your... It's a mixture.
[01:16:36]  I said the TERFs.
[01:16:36]  I said the TERFs.
[01:16:37]  I'm talking about TERFs specifically.
[01:16:38]  I'm not talking about your average woman.
[01:16:42]  Radfem or whatever.
[01:16:44]  Was not in the 70s being like, men, spaces are ours!
[01:16:48]  They weren't alive.
[01:16:48]  No, but I'm saying they were the intellectual heirs of that.
[01:16:50]  So, so in 2010, in 2000.
[01:16:52]  The sins of the father.
[01:16:53]  No, no, no, no, no, no.
[01:16:55]  I'm talking, no, I'm just talking about 10 years ago.
[01:16:57]  I'm, I'm saying this started, or at least it began to manifest publicly in the 60s.
[01:17:01]  But if you go back 10 years ago, you had these feminists cheering for the elimination of male only spaces.
[01:17:07]  This is, What I'm saying is yes, we do need to work with people with whom we disagree, even on principle, so that we can push the left back and have victories in the culture war where we have common ground with those people.
[01:17:27]  However, and this is an important key point, Once we get to that point where we no longer agree, we're going to reach an impasse.
[01:17:35]  And so we need to figure out as we're collaborating with them, what are our base principles?
[01:17:40]  Because we're not going to be able to move forward past the first victory that we get if we can't agree upon where the culture needs to go.
[01:17:47]  Because J.K.
[01:17:48]  Rowling can push back on the trans issues with us, and I think that's great if she does that.
[01:17:52]  But once we get to that point, the next step is, well now we need to stop normalizing LGBTQ lifestyles in general to children.
[01:17:59]  And she's not with us there.
[01:18:01]  If aliens attacked Earth, I absolutely would team up with Lance and Vosch.
[01:18:06]  You're not hearing me.
[01:18:08]  You're not hearing me.
[01:18:09]  I'm not saying we shouldn't.
[01:18:10]  I'm not saying we shouldn't team up with people with whom we disagree.
[01:18:12]  Wait, has J.K.
[01:18:14]  Rowling promoted making children LGBTQ?
[01:18:18]  Well, she writes a series of children's books where she has made an effort to say that there's LGBT representation in it, where she's saying this character in a children's book is gay.
[01:18:27]  And there's a reason conservatives... She never even explicitly said that in the book.
[01:18:30]  She just said later, the old man in it... I'm saying there's a reason conservatives were upset by that.
[01:18:34]  But the new movies explicitly have gay romance.
[01:18:36]  Like, the third movie, The Secret of Dumbledore, the secret is he's gay.
[01:18:40]  Oh.
[01:18:40]  So, The Secret of Dumbledore is the third Fantastic Beasts, I think?
[01:18:43]  Yeah.
[01:18:43]  It's Fantastic Beasts and Crimes of Grindelwald.
[01:18:45]  The secret of Dumbledore is that Dumbledore is gay and had sex with Magic Hitler.
[01:18:51]  But I'm not trying to be crass, like that's literally the story.
[01:18:54]  I think, I just want to ensure, because I think we're talking past each other, I want to make my point really clear here.
[01:18:59]  I am saying, when we agree with them, we should work with them where we have common ground.
[01:19:03]  We also can't forget our principles, and we need to do the work to try to convince them of a more robust, principled version of that position.
[01:19:12]  Is the political goal to ban portrayals of gay people in movies?
[01:19:18]  It's to make them unthinkable.
[01:19:19]  It's to bring it to the point where parents would not want their children to be consuming any kind of media franchise that promotes those lifestyles.
[01:19:25]  And we're not going to get there overnight.
[01:19:27]  And I'm not saying we are going to get there overnight, but I'm saying we should know what our principles are.
[01:19:31]  So let's say Seamus becomes the president.
[01:19:34]  What policies would you put in place to ensure there were no gay Dumbledores in movies?
[01:19:39]  I don't think, again, you're not understanding my position.
[01:19:41]  He's pro-gay Dumbledore.
[01:19:43]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:19:46]  My position is not that we are going to have an instant solution, and it's certainly not that we're going to have an instant top-down solution.
[01:19:52]  My argument is simply that as conservatives, we need to be rooted in principle so that when we do work with left-wing people on things that we do have some agreement on, we don't lose sight of our actual end goal.
[01:20:05]  It's not me saying that tomorrow... I get it, I get it.
[01:20:07]  Yeah.
[01:20:08]  So I'm gonna make a fan fiction Freedom Tunes channel where everything's the same but all the characters are gay.
[01:20:15]  I'm sure that exists somewhere.
[01:20:16]  So if I'm J.K.
[01:20:18]  Rowling and you're coming up to me saying, I want to work with you, and I guess putting myself in her brain, assuming that it was my goal to have a gay Dumbledore in a movie, I'd be wondering, why would I work with you if your end goal is to try to ban my movies?
[01:20:34]  Look, she can choose whether she wants to work with me or not.
[01:20:37]  I'm not going to lie to her about what my beliefs are to get her on my side.
[01:20:41]  And then what if, though, after the left ruthlessly attacked J.K.
[01:20:45]  Rowling and tried to destroy everything she's ever done, she decides, you know what?
[01:20:50]  I'm gonna stick it so hard to these people, she just tweets, Dumbledore's actually not gay anymore.
[01:20:55]  Dumbledore was straight the whole time!
[01:20:59]  Dumbledore wasn't a menstruator!
[01:21:01]  She could write, if she so choose, after the events of The Secrets of Dumbledore, Dumbledore had conversion therapy successfully.
[01:21:09]  But she can do that.
[01:21:10]  Magic conversion therapy.
[01:21:13]  Or she can be like, he drank a potion that made him straight.
[01:21:17]  Oh my goodness.
[01:21:19]  The straight potion.
[01:21:19]  Oh my goodness.
[01:21:20]  The unforgivable spell is when you turn someone straight.
[01:21:24]  So there's unforgivable curses, right?
[01:21:27]  There's an unforgivable curse where you turn someone heterosexual.
[01:21:31]  So there's three.
[01:21:31]  But she could do this.
[01:21:32]  There's Avada Kedavra.
[01:21:35]  I know this, okay?
[01:21:37]  You shouldn't.
[01:21:38]  The Cruciatus Curse.
[01:21:40]  And what's the third one?
[01:21:42]  Mind Controls People.
[01:21:43]  I forget what it's called, though.
[01:21:45]  So there's the killing curse, the torture curse, and the mind control curse, or the three unforgivable curses.
[01:21:50]  She could, if she wanted, write one, the fourth unforgivable curse, turns a person straight.
[01:21:56]  Like, my point is just this, as the creator of the Harry Potter universe and the controller of a multi-billion dollar- Do it!
[01:22:03]  Do it!
[01:22:03]  Think about this, Seamus.
[01:22:05]  If she gets to the point where she gets so angry at being beaten down by these people, she very- so here's what happened.
[01:22:13]  She made Dumbledore gay because of social pressure.
[01:22:16]  If these people push her too hard, she might just finally be like, you know what?
[01:22:19]  Fine!
[01:22:20]  Screw it!
[01:22:21]  Hermione's white, Dumbledore isn't gay anymore, and trans people aren't in the Harry Potter universe.
[01:22:27]  Well, most of the Harry Potter universe is really, like, quite right-wing.
[01:22:32]  It's, you know, they've created this ethnostate for wizards.
[01:22:37]  Nationalist.
[01:22:38]  Very nationalist.
[01:22:39]  It's all about walls.
[01:22:40]  They're not letting anyone in here.
[01:22:41]  Hogwarts, surrounded by a magic barrier.
[01:22:44]  And Diagon Alley, this brick wall that you can't get through unless you have magic powers.
[01:22:47]  It's too bad they're all Satanists.
[01:22:50]  Well, see, this is what I mean.
[01:22:51]  I don't think that Voldemort represents- They have Christmas!
[01:22:55]  I don't think Voldemort is Hitler!
[01:22:56]  I mean, a lot of Santa's culture- They were genociding witches in America!
[01:23:00]  He's like, let's start a movement against these genocidal maniacs.
[01:23:03]  They celebrated Christmas!
[01:23:05]  Look, a lot of people celebrate Christmas who don't really believe- Yes, but the point is, if you see heathens start to take up a practice, you don't say, well, you know, you're a heathen.
[01:23:14]  You say, let me teach you more.
[01:23:16]  No, no, I agree with you.
[01:23:17]  Come with me and let me show you what this is all about.
[01:23:19]  I agree with you.
[01:23:21]  So if Harry Potter is a Satanist, but he's enjoying Christmas, Christmas is your open door to say you can fix Harry.
[01:23:28]  Well, Harry, you like this holiday, let me tell you something.
[01:23:31]  Let's have a conversation, buddy.
[01:23:33]  Hold on, there is something interesting about them celebrating Christmas.
[01:23:35]  There is something very interesting.
[01:23:37]  Maybe it's like some kind of black Christmas, you know, they're doing like a satanic version of it.
[01:23:43]  Harry Potter doing a satanic... Worshipping the devil.
[01:23:49]  No, but there is an interesting implication of what that means for what what Jesus represents in the Harry Potter universe.
[01:23:54]  Well, no, right?
[01:23:55]  There's a wizard.
[01:23:56]  What is Jesus Christ?
[01:23:57]  This is my point.
[01:23:57]  And this is this is part of why I was never like I never to be fair.
[01:24:02]  I never actually cared that much about Harry Potter.
[01:24:04]  The reason I think it's an interesting conversation is JK Rowling came up.
[01:24:08]  But people will say, if you think that magic and literature is bad, why are you okay with it in Lord of the Rings?
[01:24:13]  There's a very simple reason.
[01:24:14]  Because in Lord of the Rings, you're dealing with a completely fictional universe, and Gandalf is supposed to be analogous to some kind of angel.
[01:24:21]  Wizard is just the term that's used.
[01:24:24]  And Harry Potter, they live in our world.
[01:24:27]  They live in the real world where they go hide from the authorities and do witchcraft.
[01:24:32]  And there is a Christmas, which means Jesus exists in this universe.
[01:24:36]  This is not some alternate universe where there's no God.
[01:24:39]  And it also means that they're openly defying the church.
[01:24:43]  So that is why Harry Potter is wicked.
[01:24:45]  In every book, they celebrate Christmas.
[01:24:47]  Every single book.
[01:24:48]  You know, I've been to Hogwarts in real life.
[01:24:52]  Where's Hogwarts in real life?
[01:24:53]  They've got one in South Africa.
[01:24:55]  What?
[01:24:56]  If you go to like Johannesburg and stuff, every other add up is real.
[01:24:59]  Serge, is that true?
[01:25:00]  Can't wait.
[01:25:01]  He says yes.
[01:25:03]  Did you go to Hogwarts, bro?
[01:25:04]  Is that where you studied?
[01:25:06]  But you know how they have the Tri-Wizard Cup and they have all the different schools come out?
[01:25:11]  I was really surprised they didn't have the one I went to in South Africa.
[01:25:14]  If you go through the black tribal homelands, they've got the witch doctor school there.
[01:25:19]  It's like the Hogwarts in Africa.
[01:25:21]  Do you see what I'm saying?
[01:25:25]  Anyways, they've got like ads everywhere for like lovers potions, penis enlargement, everything all over Johannesburg and you have to go to the witch doctor school in the black or I'm sure they've got a few of them.
[01:25:38]  So Hogwarts is there.
[01:25:40]  Yep, they've got Hogwarts and so that.
[01:25:42]  Satanic.
[01:25:42]  So here's what I'm saying Seamus, if these secular liberals love Harry Potter, Christmas is your end.
[01:25:50]  But here's the thing, secular liberals love Harry Potter until J.K.
[01:25:54]  Rowling says, hey, could you please not call me menstruator?
[01:25:57]  And then they go, ah!
[01:25:59]  And then they lose their minds.
[01:26:03]  Could Harry become a Christian?
[01:26:04]  Yeah, Harry could renounce his ways.
[01:26:07]  I would say... Does he have to stop using magic?
[01:26:09]  Absolutely he has to stop using magic.
[01:26:11]  He can't hold on to his sin.
[01:26:12]  Your faith has to cost you something.
[01:26:13]  Wait, hold on.
[01:26:14]  Why is magic a sin?
[01:26:16]  Because you're attempting to seek a kind of control over nature that is illicit and not given to you by God.
[01:26:20]  Well then how did he become a wizard?
[01:26:22]  By worshipping the devil.
[01:26:24]  No, but you're born with it.
[01:26:25]  Some people aren't.
[01:26:26]  Yeah, God made them that way.
[01:26:28]  I disagree.
[01:26:29]  I think I know what J.K.
[01:26:31]  Rowling was getting at there, Tim.
[01:26:32]  Someone's mad they didn't get their Hogwarts letter.
[01:26:36]  Seamus, God made them.
[01:26:38]  God made them with magic powers.
[01:26:40]  God makes everyone with original sins.
[01:26:42]  I shouldn't say he makes them.
[01:26:45]  You didn't read the book.
[01:26:46]  In the book, Harry is exhibiting magic out of his control.
[01:26:49]  And that's how you get a Hogwarts letter.
[01:26:51]  And I was born with an increased proclivity for alcoholism because of my Irish genetics, but that doesn't justify the behavior.
[01:26:58]  What's your horoscope?
[01:27:00]  Oh my gosh.
[01:27:01]  I don't know.
[01:27:02]  I actually do know because I went to art school and so enough girls went, you were born at this time?
[01:27:07]  This is your sign.
[01:27:08]  I was like, I don't believe it.
[01:27:09]  Could I get the exact time of birth and date and the position of the moon and the sun?
[01:27:14]  That would be helpful.
[01:27:15]  Well, if this model really has predictive power, you should be able to tell me what my sign is.
[01:27:20]  Mmm, but none of them can do that.
[01:27:22]  Seamus is a cancer.
[01:27:25]  What?
[01:27:26]  I'm a... what are you saying?
[01:27:28]  Oh, you're predicting my horoscope sign.
[01:27:29]  Are you a cancer?
[01:27:29]  You're an... Aries.
[01:27:34]  That's actually true, yeah.
[01:27:35]  Actually?
[01:27:36]  She actually got me on that, yeah.
[01:27:37]  An Aries?
[01:27:37]  All women are witches!
[01:27:40]  Now I actually agree with that.
[01:27:42]  Oh yeah, your birthday's in March, isn't it?
[01:27:44]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:27:44]  Oh, I should have known that.
[01:27:45]  Yeah, our birthdays are pretty similar.
[01:27:46]  Yeah, and Aries are evil, so, you know, that's really obvious.
[01:27:49]  Yeah, that's right.
[01:27:49]  And Pisces are all good.
[01:27:51]  Yeah, that's exactly it.
[01:27:52]  There's science behind this.
[01:27:53]  Well, let me explain the science for you, Seamus.
[01:27:55]  So, your first life in this universe is as an Aries.
[01:27:58]  Okay.
[01:27:59]  Your next life is, what's after Aries?
[01:28:01]  Cancer?
[01:28:02]  No.
[01:28:02]  Is in either heaven or hell.
[01:28:03]  That's where my next life is, buddy.
[01:28:04]  Cancer's after Gemini.
[01:28:06]  Gemini.
[01:28:06]  Okay, so like, every life you live, you start as an Aries, and then you work your way down each sign, and your last life is a Pisces.
[01:28:16]  Who told you that?
[01:28:18]  Some 17 year old girl at a coffee shop who had a bunch of beads on.
[01:28:21]  I'm not kidding!
[01:28:23]  I thought you were going to say, well I went to Catholic school.
[01:28:26]  No, I was at a cafe and some hippie chick told me that.
[01:28:28]  You went to cafe school?
[01:28:30]  Cafe school.
[01:28:31]  I'm not speaking seriously about it.
[01:28:33]  That's what I was told.
[01:28:34]  That's what I was told.
[01:28:36]  That's what I was told, that means it's true.
[01:28:38]  Excuse me.
[01:28:38]  Excuse me.
[01:28:39]  I was told by a hippie chick it was true.
[01:28:41]  Okay.
[01:28:42]  A woman with bangs told me.
[01:28:45]  She wore round Harry Potter glasses and headbands.
[01:28:48]  I'll tell you a story, though.
[01:28:49]  I'll tell you a story.
[01:28:49]  When I was 16, I was at a coffee shop, and there was this guy who used to do tarot card readings for everybody.
[01:28:53]  Oh my gosh.
[01:28:54]  And they, like, knew him, and he was, like, some older dude.
[01:28:56]  And I was playing an open mic night or something, and then someone asked me if I ever had my reading done or whatever, and I said no.
[01:29:03]  Like, no, I'm trying to go to heaven.
[01:29:04]  They were like, do you want to do it?
[01:29:05]  Here's what happened.
[01:29:06]  He gives me the deck and says, shuffle the cards.
[01:29:08]  And so that's how you do it.
[01:29:09]  I shuffle them up.

=== Prayer and Beyond (12:32) ===

[01:29:12]  Hand him back, he then cuts the cards, he then drew them out in a pyramid from one to four, and it was like, all swords.
[01:29:21]  All of one suit in the tarot card deck, and he went, oh my god.
[01:29:24]  And I was like, what is it?
[01:29:25]  And he was like, you are going to do whatever you want to do.
[01:29:28]  You are going to get a sex change.
[01:29:30]  That literally is what he said, you are going to do whatever you want to do.
[01:29:33]  And then I was like, what does that mean?
[01:29:35]  He was like, whatever you want will happen.
[01:29:36]  That's so vague.
[01:29:39]  Telling me that I will get whatever I wanted?
[01:29:41]  Oh, well if you're saying you're gonna do one card, then two, then three, and it was like one sword, sword, sword, sword, sword, sword, sword, sword, sword, sword, sword, sword, sword.
[01:29:49]  It was kind of crazy.
[01:29:49]  I absolutely believe in witchcraft.
[01:29:52]  I absolutely believe in the spiritual realm.
[01:29:54]  I think it's real.
[01:29:55]  I agree too.
[01:29:57]  I think it's a mixture.
[01:29:57]  I think 98% of the time it's just BS and a person playing tricks and doing cold reading.
[01:30:03]  I think maybe like 2% of them maybe actually do have some contact with the demonic reality that gives them information.
[01:30:10]  You're right, but I think there is some kind of magic.
[01:30:15]  I don't think it's like Harry Potter going, And then like a beam of light comes out?
[01:30:20]  No.
[01:30:20]  I think that... It's like stealing somebody's hair like a weird pervert and then tying it up with a dead bird.
[01:30:26]  No, I just think it's more rudimentary than that.
[01:30:30]  I think people's influence and will can impact the universe in like ways that people don't quite understand.
[01:30:37]  That is to say, there is something beyond us that we can't perceive of, that we're connected to, that our desires and passions and will has an influence over.
[01:30:47]  I guess I would have to know more specifically what you mean by that.
[01:30:49]  He's talking about manifesting.
[01:30:51]  I certainly don't believe in manifesting.
[01:30:57]  I don't think manifesting.
[01:30:58]  I think that the idea of manifesting something implies that existence isn't real until you observe it, which I disagree with.
[01:31:05]  Well, isn't that guy telling you with the swords you can manifest whatever you want through your mind?
[01:31:10]  I'll put it this way.
[01:31:12]  I believe that Everybody has some kind of access to something beyond us to varying degrees.
[01:31:21]  Some people have no- like, let's call it a third eye.
[01:31:23]  It's not the easiest way to explain what I see in my mind, but it's the easiest way for the average person to understand what I'm kind of trying to say.
[01:31:29]  Let's say that you have a third eye that is very strong and pronounced in your mind, that connects you very deeply to the spiritual.
[01:31:37]  You likely will understand God.
[01:31:41]  In your mind, you'll be like, it's just, of course there's a God.
[01:31:44]  If you have a very, very tiny, pea-sized, little, itty-bitty third eye, you're gonna be like, I'm a wet robot and there's nothing beyond my existence.
[01:31:49]  You know what I mean?
[01:31:50]  And that's why they put the stuff in our water.
[01:31:52]  That's right.
[01:31:53]  They want you to be a gay frog.
[01:31:55]  It calcifies your pineal gland.
[01:31:57]  Apple cider vinegar, y'all!
[01:32:00]  I believe so.
[01:32:01]  I believe that... I wouldn't call this a question of your third eye, but I do think that, you know, God gives us graces.
[01:32:09]  It's very mysterious.
[01:32:10]  I believe God gives everyone all the graces they need to be saved.
[01:32:13]  However, it's clear he gives some people more graces than others, and there's a mystery in that.
[01:32:16]  When you pray for something, is it a request?
[01:32:20]  I suppose so.
[01:32:21]  You could say it that way.
[01:32:22]  That's what I'm referring to when I say magic, right?
[01:32:24]  I think prayer is real.
[01:32:27]  I was reading about studies where people who are prayed for in hospitals tend to do better.
[01:32:32]  I don't know if that's true.
[01:32:34]  I read it on the internet, so it must be, right?
[01:32:35]  Yeah.
[01:32:38]  There could be a lot of factors.
[01:32:39]  There could be the very secular in, if you have a support network of people who care about you, who are literally telling you they want you to live, you will fight.
[01:32:47]  And if you don't have that, you'll die.
[01:32:49]  But I do believe that, like, I think prayer in whatever, however you want to describe it, has some kind of impact.
[01:32:55]  I just, I believe there's something bigger than us.
[01:32:57]  They need to do a controlled, randomized trial where they tell everyone they're praying for them and they only pray for half of them.
[01:33:05]  Yes, go to a church congregation and say, don't really pray for them.
[01:33:08]  Only pray for half of them.
[01:33:10]  That would be making a request to God to sacrifice the person.
[01:33:13]  No, no, no, you just wouldn't be making it up.
[01:33:15]  For science!
[01:33:15]  No, you just would not be praying for those people.
[01:33:17]  God understands what you're doing.
[01:33:18]  No, no, no, here's what you do.
[01:33:22]  Here's what you do.
[01:33:23]  You go to the hospital.
[01:33:25]  You get a bunch of pictures and profiles of people.
[01:33:27]  There's a hundred people.
[01:33:28]  You shuffle the deck.
[01:33:29]  You just discard 50 of them.
[01:33:31]  Then the other 50 you give to a congregation and say, pray for these 50 people.
[01:33:35]  And then you see who fares better.
[01:33:36]  And my point is, God knows what you did.
[01:33:39]  No, of course he does.
[01:33:40]  No, no, I know he does.
[01:33:41]  Yeah, God's not going to be like, you got me.
[01:33:44]  I guess these ones have to die.
[01:33:45]  No, the point isn't to fool God.
[01:33:46]  The point is just that you see the difference between what happens when you pray for some people and don't pray for other people.
[01:33:51]  That's all.
[01:33:52]  It's like, I'm just saying we need randomized clinical trials.
[01:33:55]  It's like God is, you know, in heaven or whatever and then he's like going over his files and he's like, I got these 50 requests to save these people.
[01:34:02]  All right, let's save them.
[01:34:03]  These other 50 got thrown in the garbage so I'm gonna... But, no, no, no, it's not, it's just like, I guess you did tell them they were being prayed for, yeah.
[01:34:10]  Or what if you just don't tell any of them that they're being prayed for and then you just pray for half of them?
[01:34:14]  Then it's ethical.
[01:34:16]  Oh, but hold on, now are we agreeing that it's not ethical to not pray for people?
[01:34:20]  This is my point.
[01:34:22]  My point is, whether you call it prayer or something else, I believe that humans do have a connection to something beyond, greater than them.
[01:34:28]  For sure.
[01:34:29]  That may or may not have influence in reality.
[01:34:32]  I don't think it's such a thing as, I pray to be rich and then all of a sudden you're rich.
[01:34:37]  I think you can pray for something and then the world can move in subtle ways to inch you in the right direction.
[01:34:42]  Do you?
[01:34:43]  Or inch someone towards betterment.
[01:34:45]  So then you're not a deist, right?
[01:34:47]  You would say that you're a theist because you believe God interferes in the universe currently.
[01:34:50]  He didn't just create it and then step back.
[01:34:52]  Yeah, I believe that God has an active role.
[01:34:54]  Okay.
[01:34:55]  But it's probably, it's not as pronounced as someone who believes that God is actively watching over.
[01:34:59]  I think it's more like...
[01:35:02]  My view is probably closer to, in my minuscule and microscopic human brain, that God is actively paying attention, but on a scale so vast, this moment in time is probably not as relevant to God as it is to us.
[01:35:16]  So, to a human being, it may appear as though God is not playing an active role, but if you think about the longevity of the universe, I believe God is actively involved.
[01:35:27]  So, what I believe is that, as human beings, right, when we try to pull back and focus on too many things at once, each little thing becomes less important to us.
[01:35:36]  But with God, He's capable of holding everything as important, even when He's paying attention to everything.
[01:35:44]  And so, it's interesting, one thing, And this is actually something that I first received as a joke.
[01:35:50]  It was someone did a webcomic of this, but I thought it was really brilliant.
[01:35:54]  And the first panel is someone saying, have you ever seen, you know, the Discovery Channel?
[01:36:00]  Have you ever seen, you know, these documentaries on outer space?
[01:36:03]  The universe is so massive.
[01:36:05]  How could God care about us?
[01:36:06]  And then the second panel is a guy going, have you ever seen like the subatomic particles, like the universes?
[01:36:12]  Well, we're so massive in comparison to the world, and I do find it interesting that we want to focus on the vastness of the universe and not pay any attention to the fact that, okay, firstly, hierarchical scale and the idea that bigger equals better is not really a tenable position for an atheist at all, right?
[01:36:28]  Why would you say, well, this rock is bigger than a human, therefore the human is less important?
[01:36:33]  That's absurd under any paradigm, but I don't know how like an atheist can justify hierarchical scale at all, just like they can't justify any hierarchy.
[01:36:42]  But here's my main point with it, is that I think it's clear that God pays attention to even the most minute details.
[01:36:53]  Look at how intricately designed the universe is at the level of the subatomic.
[01:36:58]  Could God microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?
[01:37:03]  I have an answer to this question.
[01:37:04]  I do too.
[01:37:05]  The answer is yes.
[01:37:06]  So, well, I have a slightly different answer.
[01:37:08]  This comes from that old riddle.
[01:37:09]  Could God create a stone so heavy he himself could not lift it?
[01:37:14]  I like the stone one.
[01:37:15]  I like the stone one better.
[01:37:18]  A stone so heavy that an omnipotent God can't lift it is a logical contradiction, right?
[01:37:27]  So, what you're asking is, could God do this impossibility, right?
[01:37:32]  Could God do this nothing?
[01:37:34]  Well, we believe for God, nothing is impossible, and that is a nothing.
[01:37:39]  Like, a stone so heavy God couldn't lift it is a nothing.
[01:37:42]  It's nothing.
[01:37:42]  It's a logical contradiction.
[01:37:44]  The answer is yes.
[01:37:45]  God could create a stone so heavy he could not lift it.
[01:37:48]  The reason is, the rock exists within the confines of universe that functions upon rules God himself created.
[01:37:54]  So that means, what you're actually saying is, could God create a system in which he follows his own rules?
[01:37:59]  The answer is, of course he could.
[01:38:01]  There's nothing special about that.
[01:38:03]  The reality is, the stone so heavy that God can't lift it is, some argue, the human heart.
[01:38:10]  That's not exactly accurate.
[01:38:11]  I mean, God has chosen to give us free will and the ability to make our own decisions.
[01:38:16]  If he wanted, he could intervene however he chose.
[01:38:20]  This is a very, very, I think, childish view, asking that question.
[01:38:25]  Could God create a stone so heavy that he couldn't lift it?
[01:38:27]  Yeah, I think it's a silly question.
[01:38:29]  But the answer is yes.
[01:38:30]  Because God can do anything!
[01:38:33]  But a stone so heavy that God can't lift it, you're saying He can do anything, but that's not a thing, it's a logical contradiction.
[01:38:39]  It's not, it's not.
[01:38:39]  Listen, if God says, I hereby create a system of rules, 1 plus 1 equals 2, could God then create a mathematical formula where 1 plus 1 equals 3?
[01:38:48]  Yes, you would have to change the rules.
[01:38:51]  So what I think we do agree on here is that God has created an ordered universe, and he has set up certain confines, and he's told us the ways in which he plans to behave, and he's always the same, so we can trust that word.
[01:39:03]  The question is, could God create the illogical?
[01:39:06]  Yes, God can.
[01:39:08]  I don't think that makes sense because I don't think it's in his nature.
[01:39:12]  So there's this question of can and there's this question of would.
[01:39:14]  What is in God's nature?
[01:39:15]  I'm not saying he would do it.
[01:39:17]  So nature is not material.
[01:39:19]  I'm just saying I believe God, all-powerful, could choose things beyond our comprehension.
[01:39:27]  Our view of time is very linear and very simple.
[01:39:32]  Let's try it this way.
[01:39:33]  An ant, an anthill next to a superhighway.
[01:39:35]  Those ants don't even know the highway exists.
[01:39:37]  No idea.
[01:39:38]  For a human to even begin to comprehend the motivations or capabilities of God, it's like you're just not going to be able to do it.
[01:39:47]  So imagine an ant to be like, Could a car drive so fast that it would go off the highway?
[01:39:54]  It's like, you don't even understand the first thing about cars.
[01:39:57]  Or like, actually, the ant would ask the question in its own perspective.
[01:40:00]  Could a car lift a grain of sand and then transport it 10,000 miles?
[01:40:05]  That's insane.
[01:40:06]  It's impossible.
[01:40:07]  Well, you don't even understand.
[01:40:08]  Yeah, so at bottom, I think I agree with what you're saying, that it's a logically absurd question.
[01:40:14]  It doesn't make sense.
[01:40:15]  But my point is, An ant asking a question that is so minuscule and beneath us, it's like, do you think that the gods could carry sand?
[01:40:27]  Could you make big rock?
[01:40:29]  Listen, the ant carries one grain of sand, I can carry millions of grains of sand in one bag.
[01:40:35]  That's beyond the ant's comprehension, and wouldn't even ask the question.
[01:40:38]  Well, I think that at the heart of the question is, can God do something that's logically impossible?
[01:40:44]  The answer is yes, because logic is the confine of the human brain.
[01:40:47]  But here's what I disagree with.
[01:40:49]  So, alright, there's a sense in which that's true.
[01:40:52]  I think there are certain things which are true and real, but are beyond human reason.
[01:40:58]  So I would agree with you.
[01:40:59]  I think there are certain things that are real and true but that are beyond human reason.
[01:41:03]  For example, the Trinity.
[01:41:04]  For example, the Eucharist.
[01:41:05]  For example, God being all just and also all merciful.
[01:41:09]  There are just things that the human brain can't comprehend even though they're true.
[01:41:12]  So I would agree with you on that.
[01:41:14]  The question is like a person with a 70 IQ not asking a real question.
[01:41:21]  You know what I mean?
[01:41:22]  Humans are so minuscule compared to God that the question is just silly to even ask.
[01:41:26]  I completely agree.

=== Ship to Simulated Stars (12:31) ===

[01:41:27]  And there's probably even higher life forms than us around here.
[01:41:32]  Do you think so?
[01:41:32]  Do you think aliens?
[01:41:34]  I don't think maybe.
[01:41:35]  Angels?
[01:41:36]  I think ancient apocalypse style, like an older humanity that still exists here and controls things.
[01:41:43]  Oh my gosh.
[01:41:45]  Have you played the Zero Dawn games?
[01:41:48]  No I haven't.
[01:41:49]  Spoilers, it's an old game.
[01:41:52]  So, Horizon Zero Dawn.
[01:41:53]  I love the storyline, but it's really become leftist.
[01:41:55]  Zero Dawn, the first game, came out like 2016.
[01:41:58]  You're this tribal woman, and there are these robot machine dinosaurs and animals, and you fight them and strip them of parts and make a bow and arrow.
[01:42:05]  And then it's like, what a weird world.
[01:42:07]  And then it turns out, the story is such.
[01:42:09]  You discover this throughout the game.
[01:42:10]  It's a really awesome narrative.
[01:42:12]  In 2065, the CEO of a military contractor developed self-replicating war machines.
[01:42:19]  He wanted them to be unhackable.
[01:42:21]  He wanted to create a security force that would replenish itself through biomass as fuel and construct more of themselves.
[01:42:29]  Unfortunately, one small group at a security company got, they were effectively locked out of this battalion of robots, who then started their protocol, reproduction consumption.
[01:42:42]  They could not brute force their way in.
[01:42:44]  They didn't have the means of doing it.
[01:42:46]  The machines then spread to the point where they were like, in 15 months, they will have destroyed civilization.
[01:42:52]  So, two projects were created.
[01:42:54]  The Zero Dawn Project and the Far Zenith Project.
[01:42:57]  Zero Dawn was to create a bunch of underground terraforming facilities, so that after Earth was destroyed completely, and biomass was stripped, they could brute force over a hundred years the robots to shut them down, and then re-terraform Earth.
[01:43:12]  Clone humans, and then those cloned humans would repopulate.
[01:43:16]  Far Zenith wanted to escape Earth and colonize another planet.
[01:43:19]  What ends up happening in the later game, the second game, Forbidden West, which came out a few years ago, is that first you think the descendants of Far Zenith returned to Earth to reclaim it, but then you learn the Far Zenith humans escaped Yeah, well I think the idea that we all have this inherent bias that we are the most intelligent thing that exists around us.
[01:43:41]  Even the idea of another human being in the room with you.
[01:43:43]  what you're saying. - Yeah, well, I think the idea that, we all have this inherent bias that we are the most intelligent thing that exists around us.
[01:43:51]  Even the idea of another human being in the room with you that is like twice as intelligent as you are is a horrifying idea.
[01:43:58]  You don't like to think there's like basically a predator that can trounce you in any sort of mental gymnastics you could, you know, go hand-to-hand at.
[01:44:05]  And the idea that there would be another race or creature being on this planet or outside of it that knows about us and treats us like the individuals from Senegal Island is... We just choose not to even try to comprehend it, even though there is, you know, it's probably a decent chance that that's the case.
[01:44:21]  Why would we be most... Why do you think so?
[01:44:22]  Like, what do you think is controlling us?
[01:44:25]  No, I think there's a decent chance that there are life forms out there, even on this earth, that are significantly more intelligent than us, or that have existed in history, I think.
[01:44:33]  Angels and demons.
[01:44:34]  No, yeah, I was just gonna say, I think, so, I mean, they're immaterial, right?
[01:44:39]  But basically, the devil has a plan, and demons tempt people to certain sins.
[01:44:43]  We tempt ourselves to certain sins just by our own fallen nature, but people don't realize is every time you give in to your own vices, you are working into that master plan.
[01:44:53]  Don't think of this, what about like whales?
[01:44:55]  Whales have far more complex brains than us for relationships and the way that they can communicate can communicate over vast distances, very complex language we just don't understand.
[01:45:06]  No fingers.
[01:45:06]  But what if they never wanted to create Twitter?
[01:45:09]  Because Twitter messed us up.
[01:45:11]  Maybe that's them being more intelligent than us.
[01:45:13]  I don't think so.
[01:45:15]  Ultimately whales are stupid and we should make them into oil.
[01:45:19]  Because we are more intelligent.
[01:45:21]  I think we should turn them into whale oil.
[01:45:23]  I think if we really want to... I mean, everyone's talking about non-renewable energy sources.
[01:45:27]  If we had whale farms, we could make whale oil a renewable energy source.
[01:45:30]  Maybe they should have invented Twitter and we wouldn't be eating them.
[01:45:33]  Well, now they're going to organize after hearing this podcast.
[01:45:37]  They're like, oh, hell nah.
[01:45:39]  No, they know they can't hear this podcast because they didn't make Twitter warning their idiots.
[01:45:42]  How do you know that?
[01:45:43]  They can hear you!
[01:45:46]  I didn't mean it!
[01:45:47]  I got one for you.
[01:45:49]  Listen, Lauren, I'll just say this.
[01:45:50]  Here's what's happening.
[01:45:53]  A ship was launched from Earth to colonize the Sirius system.
[01:45:58]  Okay.
[01:45:59]  There's a Class M planet, a planet that is very Earth-like, it can support life.
[01:46:03]  The first thing we did was we sent a biological bomb to that planet, which releases a bunch of plant life, bacteria, another thing.
[01:46:12]  Over the next several decades, it starts to become very Earth-like.
[01:46:16]  We then send another ship, but it takes decades to get there.
[01:46:20]  So we can't send people, they will die on this ship.
[01:46:23]  So what we do is, the ship has ectogenic chambers that can clone humans.
[01:46:30]  Once it gets about 20 years of travel away from this planet, It starts creating humans.
[01:46:37]  These babies are plugged into the metaverse on the ship in outer space.
[01:46:42]  The babies are in a matrix where they experience 21st century human life.
[01:46:47]  So that's us right now.
[01:46:48]  That's us right now.
[01:46:49]  And the reason why is.
[01:46:50]  If we were born on the ship and just released on the ship as babies and a robot educated us, we would have no social understanding of the world.
[01:46:59]  We would land on a planet and we'd have very strange social customs that wouldn't work.
[01:47:03]  If we truly wanted to spread to the stars, you'd plug the babies into a metaverse, have the babies grow up in a normal Earth-like environment, and then one day wake up on the ship.
[01:47:14]  And you would have the mind of an Earth human from the 21st century on this ship and you'd say, what happened?
[01:47:20]  And then what likely will happen is towards the end of the Metaverse program, it will say, we are transporting.
[01:47:25]  You're going to go and travel to Mars to colonize the planet.
[01:47:29]  When you wake up, it'll say, your whole life was a virtual experience to train you in human social behaviors.
[01:47:35]  I'm having an anxiety attack.
[01:47:37]  No, no, but hold on.
[01:47:38]  Let me add an element to this.
[01:47:40]  There's something that makes this more insidious.
[01:47:42]  If that were to happen, the exact same thing would happen with the simulation they made that's happening with AI, which is some group of ideologues who are in charge of programming it would create an artificial world for those experiencing the simulation that promotes their ideology.
[01:47:55]  And when they got to the planet, they would just do whatever that insane ideology told them worse than the real world, even though it didn't.
[01:48:01]  You're right that happened.
[01:48:02]  The ideology instilled is America first meritocracy.
[01:48:06]  If they do it properly.
[01:48:06]  Because a bunch of based ass motherfuckers were like, we're gonna make these babies America first, bitches.
[01:48:10]  And that's us.
[01:48:11]  And so the ship's gonna land and we're gonna wake up with no leftists.
[01:48:14]  And we're gonna be like, we're gonna walk outside and there's gonna be a bunch of American flags just everywhere.
[01:48:19]  Already on the planet?
[01:48:20]  Already on the planet.
[01:48:20]  How'd they get there?
[01:48:21]  Because they set the ship in advance.
[01:48:23]  And so we're gonna be like, what is this?
[01:48:24]  I'm sorry.
[01:48:25]  And then you're gonna see this military-ass hologram guy be like, listen up!
[01:48:29]  Welcome to New America!
[01:48:30]  America 2.0!
[01:48:31]  Let's go!
[01:48:31]  The whole planet's called New America?
[01:48:33]  And then all of a sudden, this thing's gonna burst from the ship, this big gun wreck, it'll go fwoosh!
[01:48:38]  And there's gonna be guns everywhere, and we're gonna be like, whoa!
[01:48:41]  And then we're all gonna high-five, grab the gun, start running around in front of it.
[01:48:43]  How mad are you going to be when you wake up from the simulation and realize you spent your whole baby simulation time just podcasting when you could have been flying planes in video games?
[01:48:54]  No, because we're being trained for that job on this planet.
[01:48:57]  That's the thing.
[01:48:58]  The planet's going to be super gold.
[01:48:59]  No, but here's the thing.
[01:49:00]  The military guy's going to be Ron Paul and he's going to be like, gold!
[01:49:03]  He's like, there's a reason I made myself look like the coolest person ever.
[01:49:07]  Simulation!
[01:49:09]  So, I would also add this.
[01:49:10]  So, some people would start, would be like awakened, or formed, and then placed in the simulation 20 years before the ship lands.
[01:49:17]  But you'd need some elderly people.
[01:49:19]  So, some people would start 80 years before the ship lands.
[01:49:21]  And you'd have different people, different age groups.
[01:49:23]  And when they got there, they'd be like, I had to spend 80 years in the simulation!
[01:49:25]  And here's the best part.
[01:49:26]  Wait, wait, I got it.
[01:49:27]  When we land, we're like, what happened?
[01:49:29]  And there's like a computer screen like pops out of the floor.
[01:49:32]  And it's like, you were all in a virtual experience training you for this moment as we colonize a new world.
[01:49:37]  Now, here is your leader.
[01:49:39]  And we walk outside and Elon Musk is there by himself.
[01:49:41]  And he's like, hey, how's it going, everybody?
[01:49:43]  And everyone is like, we love Elon Musk because, you know, he did all these awesome things in the virtual world.
[01:49:48]  No, I'd be so pissed.
[01:49:50]  That baby is about to get violent on that ship if it wakes up from this simulation.
[01:49:56]  But you're not a baby when you wake up.
[01:49:58]  That's even worse!
[01:49:59]  You'll wake up as you.
[01:50:00]  They aged you up.
[01:50:01]  They aged me while I was stuck in a simulation.
[01:50:04]  Your body is in the pod for 30 years growing and your mind is being trained in VR.
[01:50:09]  But I have people that are meaningful to me.
[01:50:11]  I'm doing this active listening where I just fully accept ideas as real.
[01:50:15]  You wake up and there's your mom and your dad and you're like, what happened?
[01:50:20]  Except for the people who died when you were in your memory.
[01:50:22]  Yeah, they get recycled into mush and then...
[01:50:25]  You, so listen, the ship starts creating humans, right?
[01:50:29]  And those babies are, their brains are in a VR to train them in, how would you train a baby to live on a new planet with no social customs?
[01:50:39]  You basically program them by having them live a life in VR and then all different ages.
[01:50:44]  You will wake up as yourself And you'll be like, where am I?
[01:50:49]  And, but what actually happened is towards the end of the simulation, Elon Musk, like in a week from now, Elon's gonna be like, Lauren, I've got to send you to Mars.
[01:50:57]  It's the only way to save the world.
[01:50:58]  And you'll be like, yes, Elon, yes.
[01:51:00]  And then you'll wake up on the ship thinking you're arriving there.
[01:51:02]  In reality, you're waking up from the simulation.
[01:51:04]  No, you wake up and it's Trump, dude.
[01:51:05]  No way I'd ever get on a ship to Mars.
[01:51:07]  You couldn't pay.
[01:51:08]  I would never go to space.
[01:51:09]  I'll never get in a submarine.
[01:51:11]  That is not where humans belong.
[01:51:14]  You don't get a choice though.
[01:51:15]  Above, below, I'm staying on land.
[01:51:18]  No, I don't think you understand the nature, I don't think you understand the nature of your own enslavement.
[01:51:22]  You're literally brought onto this ship.
[01:51:25]  Created.
[01:51:26]  You're created as a child.
[01:51:28]  This is stressing me out.
[01:51:29]  Give me another conspiracy theory to fully accept as reality right now.
[01:51:33]  You're gonna wake up from the pod and you're gonna be wearing like a white jumpsuit and you're like, what's happening?
[01:51:36]  And then a guy's gonna walk up to him and go, Seven, six, two, three, nine, march!
[01:51:40]  And you'll be like, my name's Lauren.
[01:51:42]  Whack!
[01:51:42]  And then you're like, ah!
[01:51:43]  And then a guy sticks you to the cattle prod and be like, quiet, slave!
[01:51:46]  The corporation owns you!
[01:51:47]  It's like The Island.
[01:51:48]  Yeah.
[01:51:49]  Have you watched The Island?
[01:51:50]  No, it's so good.
[01:51:50]  With Scarlett Johansson?
[01:51:51]  Yeah, where they create all these cloned people so that celebrities can have organs.
[01:51:55]  Oh, can have organs?
[01:51:56]  I've heard of that, yeah.
[01:51:57]  And then they try to escape.
[01:51:59]  Cause they find a butterfly or something and realize that the apocalypse hasn't happened.
[01:52:02]  Wow.
[01:52:03]  They're told the apocalypse happened and that they can go to like the island when you win.
[01:52:09]  And then there's like, um, was it Michael Clark Duncan or whatever?
[01:52:12]  He's like, I won, I won.
[01:52:13]  And then they bring, he's like, he's leaving and smiling.
[01:52:16]  And then the next scene is him getting his organs removed.
[01:52:18]  He's like, ah!
[01:52:19]  Yeah, they say there's one island that's still livable on the planet, and they do a lottery every day.
[01:52:26]  It's the lottery to get your organs removed.
[01:52:28]  But they don't know that.
[01:52:29]  Celebrities get themselves cloned.
[01:52:30]  But why do they need organs every day?
[01:52:32]  What are these celebrities doing?
[01:52:33]  Drugs.
[01:52:35]  When Ewan McGregor meets his character, he's like, I sleep around and do a lot of drugs all the time, so now I need a new liver.
[01:52:41]  And that's you, your whole life.
[01:52:44]  So the other thing I was thinking too, like, you know in video games... That movie's based on real events.
[01:52:49]  Right?
[01:52:49]  And then it's really happening.
[01:52:51]  That's my new conspiracy theory.
[01:52:52]  You know in video games, when you go to a city, the city's a smaller version of the actual city?
[01:52:56]  Nuh-uh.
[01:52:56]  So like, when you play a game about France, they literally don't recreate all of France, they create a smaller version.
[01:53:03]  So for example, in Fallout 3, you can run from Washington D.C.
[01:53:07]  to Bethesda, Maryland in like three minutes.
[01:53:10]  Which is ridiculous.
[01:53:12]  It would be like a day walk.
[01:53:13]  Depends on how in shape you are.
[01:53:15]  So imagine then if we're not in base reality, how big France must really be.
[01:53:20]  Like our fake version of Earth is actually a much smaller version of what Earth actually is.
[01:53:25]  Like New York has 50 million people in it and it's like, you know, 3,000 square miles.
[01:53:31]  And then they were like, well, we couldn't make all New York.
[01:53:33]  We made a condensed video game version of it.
[01:53:35]  And that's what we're living in.
[01:53:36]  What if the simulation's actually so expansive and complex that they're able to make New York much bigger than it is in real life?
[01:53:42]  Because in actual reality, no one would ever choose to live there.

=== Loving Sleep Selves (05:47) ===

[01:53:46]  I think it'll be funny when, like, one day Seamus wakes up and he's like a rabbit.
[01:53:49]  He's like a big, sentient rabbit.
[01:53:50]  He's like, that video game was fun.
[01:53:52]  I would like carrots now.
[01:53:53]  I always knew that there was something different about me.
[01:53:57]  And I can never figure it out.
[01:53:58]  Deep down, I'm a rabbit.
[01:54:00]  Whether or not this is what, like... I don't care.
[01:54:02]  But here's the reality.
[01:54:03]  What I described will happen.
[01:54:05]  Awful.
[01:54:05]  The metaverse and Neuralink is gonna result in the world.
[01:54:08]  You're not happy with that joke?
[01:54:10]  Look, we grew up in base reality, right?
[01:54:12]  Or what we think is base reality.
[01:54:14]  50 years from now, when we're old and in the metaverse for work, or retirement or whatever, and some 17 year old kid comes in and he's a carrot, and he's like, I'm a carrot!
[01:54:24]  My pronouns are carrot and rot!
[01:54:25]  And I go, I'm a rabbit!
[01:54:27]  And then I take him and snap him in half!
[01:54:29]  And go to metaverse jail.
[01:54:32]  Yeah, they suspend your account.
[01:54:33]  Oh, that's rough.
[01:54:34]  But my point is- Then you have to live in reality and you realize it's actually really cool.
[01:54:37]  People are going to identify, when the metaverse becomes where we do all of our work and everything, people will identify and be these things.
[01:54:46]  Have you ever watched the show Severance on Apple?
[01:54:48]  No.
[01:54:48]  It's incredible.
[01:54:49]  Probably one of the best shows I've watched.
[01:54:50]  I don't watch degenerate garbage.
[01:54:51]  No, it's fantastic.
[01:54:52]  Is it?
[01:54:52]  I don't know anything about it.
[01:54:53]  They've created this procedure that you can get that splits your brain between work life and home life to create the work-life balance, right?
[01:55:01]  And then essentially they've made it so that your work self can't even communicate with yourself outside of work and you have no idea what happens in your office, nothing.
[01:55:08]  Sounds great for employers.
[01:55:10]  Spoiler alert, everyone.
[01:55:12]  Yeah.
[01:55:13]  Basically all the people in the office kind of realize what's going on and they hate it and they want to escape and they're like trying to kill themselves and stuff to get out of this.
[01:55:21]  Whoa, I want to watch this on Apple.
[01:55:22]  They can't send messages to theirselves outside because if they've got like elevators that detect any sort of text written on you and when they're injured- That's crazy.
[01:55:29]  They'll like give a note on people's car that's like you hit your head in the office and it was actually them like trying to kill themselves.
[01:55:34]  Wow.
[01:55:35]  Dude, that's- Isn't it wild?
[01:55:36]  That's actually really cool.
[01:55:37]  Such a good show.
[01:55:38]  No shit.
[01:55:39]  Have you seen Upload?
[01:55:41]  No, I haven't.
[01:55:42]  I think it's called Upload.
[01:55:43]  I don't watch evil shows.
[01:55:44]  It's about when people are about to die, they can have their consciousness uploaded to a network.
[01:55:49]  Nope.
[01:55:50]  And spoiler alert, this dude, they say he's dying, but he's actually not.
[01:55:54]  And they want to upload him for nefarious reasons.
[01:55:57]  So they end his life short after an accident.
[01:55:59]  So that's what happens.
[01:56:00]  And then there's like a rich dude.
[01:56:02]  If you're rich, you can download your consciousness into a robot body and then go do work still and stuff.
[01:56:07]  No, you're not allowed to work when you're uploaded because it would destroy the economy.
[01:56:10]  But people basically upload to a digital afterlife.
[01:56:12]  Yeah.
[01:56:15]  No, it was just a Black Mirror episode.
[01:56:16]  Severance, I gotta watch that.
[01:56:17]  It's on Apple.
[01:56:18]  Severance, Apple TV, yeah.
[01:56:19]  And if you get the free 7-day subscription, you can get through the whole show and then delete your subscription.
[01:56:24]  But hold on, but then like, what did these people think was gonna happen?
[01:56:28]  If the whole point of it is to split your brain in half so that you're conscious at work with a separate consciousness from what you're conscious at home, wouldn't they realize, oh, one half of me is only ever gonna experience work?
[01:56:38]  Yeah, but they don't care because they're just like, cool, I'm loving it.
[01:56:41]  I'm loving not going to work.
[01:56:42]  So they're like just selfish.
[01:56:43]  But how do they know, like, which one they are, you know?
[01:56:46]  Well, that's the problem.
[01:56:47]  They lose their connection.
[01:56:49]  And then there's another part that starts.
[01:56:50]  It just seems like they could have predicted that before getting the procedure.
[01:56:53]  Yeah.
[01:56:54]  Where like one chick gets pregnant, but she doesn't know how?
[01:56:57]  One chick gets pregnant and then she uses severance to have the baby.
[01:57:01]  And so this woman, her whole existence is just having these babies and then losing them.
[01:57:05]  And meanwhile, the mother is like... That's a commentary.
[01:57:09]  That's actually a very rude based commentary on surrogacy.
[01:57:14]  Right?
[01:57:14]  It actually is.
[01:57:15]  That's what it is.
[01:57:17]  Yeah.
[01:57:17]  Even if the author didn't intend that, that's what that is referencing in the modern world.
[01:57:22]  Her other consciousness only appears when not pregnant.
[01:57:26]  So this company, it's kind of like a Pfizer type company.
[01:57:29]  They're trying to bring in this new technology and it's just in the testing phases and they're letting the politicians and a few like test individuals like try it out.
[01:57:36]  As if that's who they test on.
[01:57:38]  Yeah, they're trying to make you like poor people.
[01:57:41]  Exactly.
[01:57:42]  Yeah, they're trying to make it look as good as possible, but they're actively having to cover up the experiences of the severed side of people's brains.
[01:57:52]  It's like that Rick and Morty episode.
[01:57:54]  It's slavery, it's yourself becoming a slave.
[01:57:56]  But I also think that there would be a lot of fascinating implications to explore there about the people who don't really deal with the hardships and struggles of the more difficult parts of life.
[01:58:04]  Does the show get into that at all?
[01:58:06]  Like how unhappy the people are?
[01:58:08]  It does.
[01:58:09]  So that's the main guy, his wife dies and that's why he does the separance thing because his life is just like, he's like, why not just... There's a Rick and Morty episode where the sleep self, did you see it?
[01:58:21]  He turns the machine on, and then when he falls asleep, his sleep consciousness gets up and then takes orders from his awake self.
[01:58:28]  So, like, he's like, look at my abs!
[01:58:29]  And they're all, like, ripped.
[01:58:30]  And it's because... Oh, Morty, nothing matters.
[01:58:32]  Summer walks in and she sees Rick working out, but he's asleep.
[01:58:35]  And he's like, he used a program to make his sleep self, but then the sleep selves are enslaved and angry because they won't do the dishes.
[01:58:42]  And they make the sleep selves do it.
[01:58:44]  And then the sleep selves write a message saying, please rinse your dishes off.
[01:58:46]  And then he's like, no!
[01:58:48]  I'M NOT GONNA RINSE MY DISHES OFF, YOU CLEAN THEM!
[01:58:50]  And then they're like, then we're gonna take over because just wash your- rinse your fucking dishes and we'll clean them.
[01:58:57]  Yeah, I mean... I gotta watch that show, that sounds pretty good.
[01:58:58]  Yeah, you're gonna love it.
[01:58:59]  Yeah, that actually does sound like a really cool show.
[01:59:00]  But the problem is they ended on, like, the biggest cliffhanger ever, and I don't think the next one's coming out until the end of this year.
[01:59:07]  They just brought on the... who plays the super tall chick in Game of Thrones?
[01:59:12]  I don't know.
[01:59:13]  Oh yeah, Brianna or whatever her name is.
[01:59:14]  Brianna of Toth, she's gonna be in the next season.

=== Good Guy Turned Murderer (05:11) ===

[01:59:16]  They brought on a few big... Oh.
[01:59:19]  Yeah.
[01:59:19]  She was in Wednesday.
[01:59:21]  Oh, was she?
[01:59:22]  Yeah.
[01:59:23]  Weird show.
[01:59:24]  Never saw it.
[01:59:24]  Yeah, the thing about Horizon Zero Dawn, I was gonna mention this before, is that the first game was based as fuck and the second game is woke as fuck.
[01:59:32]  So it's like, you go from being this good guy who's trying to save the Earth, and you figure out that the world was ended by, you know... Aliens?
[01:59:40]  Machines.
[01:59:41]  Oh.
[01:59:41]  Self-replicating machines destroyed the planet.
[01:59:44]  In the second game, you're just a murderer.
[01:59:46]  In the second game, you're like, these powerful, technologically advanced humans who are trying to survive and escape a calamity should die, and then you literally just murder them.
[01:59:53]  So like, it's actually kind of sad.
[01:59:55]  They're not like good people, the descendants of Earth, but it's really fucked up.
[02:00:01]  In the new expansion that just came out, I don't want to spoil it because it literally just came out, but the game is basically...
[02:00:06]  The main character is told, one of these people from the original Earth are alive, and she goes, I'll go kill him.
[02:00:13]  And that's just it, for like, you don't know the guy, you don't know what he's doing, she's just like, better kill him!
[02:00:18]  And I'm like, that's very fucked up.
[02:00:20]  And then it turns out she's gay, so I don't know.
[02:00:23]  What a twist!
[02:00:24]  Yeah, she like, meets an Asian woman and then they like, make out or something.
[02:00:28]  And I'm like, it went from her being like, we should save the planet to this very Malthusian, very Ishmael, the old world must die.
[02:00:38]  And then she like just hunts down and kills these people.
[02:00:41]  It's really fucked up.
[02:00:41]  But isn't it interesting that they tied the message of the planet needing to die, needing to create a new order and not caring for human beings in with her being homosexual?
[02:00:50]  It is weird.
[02:00:51]  So here's the thing, in the Forbidden West, which is part two, which came out a few years ago, so I'll spoil it.
[02:00:57]  You find out that, like, you're trying to find something called the Gaia Kernel, which is an AI that can restart the terraforming process because Earth is in a state of decay because it's being rebooted or whatever, and then something happens where Gaia breaks and you need to fix it.
[02:01:16]  During this process, these three people show up who are wearing weird clothes and have force fields.
[02:01:21]  They're invincible.
[02:01:22]  And you're like, what's happening?
[02:01:24]  They have a clone of the scientist that gives them access to these old Earth labs.
[02:01:29]  You then discover when you meet the clone, which is basically the main character is a clone and there's another clone.
[02:01:35]  They're like, they want to come back to Earth, wipe out all life, and then reboot it in their image.
[02:01:40]  And she goes, we have to stop them.
[02:01:41]  That's actually not what it is.
[02:01:43]  What you discover in the end is that the Far Zeniths escaped Earth, started a colony, survived for hundreds of years, created their own AI which went rogue and destroyed their planet, and they fled to Earth hoping to find a copy of Gaia so they could leave Earth and create a new planet somewhere else safely.
[02:02:00]  After discovering that, the main character decides they all must die.
[02:02:03]  And I'm like, so you're saying that these humans, who are technologically advanced and the last remnant of human civilization, are trying to get a copy of a program to start a new world somewhere else away from you and they'll leave you alone, so you must kill them.
[02:02:16]  Yes.
[02:02:17]  And I'm like, that's such a- you're the bad guy.
[02:02:20]  Like, you literally just execute the last remnants of human civilization.
[02:02:24]  It's so fucked up.
[02:02:26]  I get pleasure in this game of purposefully losing.
[02:02:31]  Like, when the future guys are like, I'm going to destroy you, I'm like, I'm just gonna stand here and let them do it because they should.
[02:02:38]  And then the expansion is just very, very much insane.
[02:02:41]  And I'm like, this game feels very like leftist Malthusian.
[02:02:44]  That these people who have great technology destroyed the earth, therefore they should die now.
[02:02:51]  And I'm like, that's kind of messed up.
[02:02:53]  I mean, they're not good people in the game.
[02:02:54]  They're considered to be narcissistic and evil or whatever.
[02:02:57]  But like, if their whole purpose is to copy a program and leave earth, what is the justification for just killing all of them?
[02:03:04]  How are you the good guy in this game?
[02:03:06]  No.
[02:03:07]  Sounds like you're not.
[02:03:08]  And then here's the best part.
[02:03:10]  The world literally ended.
[02:03:12]  There's very few humans left.
[02:03:14]  And then it's like... I don't think in that scenario gay people would be culturally a thing.
[02:03:21]  Well, but I think it's interesting that the ethos of the game is people are bad, we're overpopulated, the human race is not an inherently good thing, and then that's expressed through homosexuality.
[02:03:32]  Even if they're only showing it covertly.
[02:03:34]  I think it's just that they're like, the game producers are like, we should make her gay.
[02:03:37]  No, but here's my point.
[02:03:40]  I don't think that they were consciously conceiving of it that way either, but you see how their values align there, right?
[02:03:47]  I feel like if the world ended and there were very few humans left, it'd be very much like, what do you call it?
[02:03:56]  What's the Handmaid's Tale?
[02:03:58]  Well, I think people would have to return, not necessarily something like the Handmaid's Tale, but people would return to the structure that is natural, which is a husband and a wife having children together.

=== Seeking Wealthy Connections (15:54) ===

[02:04:14]  Obviously you had homosexual behavior in basically every civilization throughout history, but Often it was seen as sort of like debaucherous behavior among the elite.
[02:04:24]  It was not something that your average person was taking part in the same way.
[02:04:28]  It's not going to be, in my view, that some leader says, we cannot allow homosexuality because we're dying.
[02:04:35]  What's going to happen is people who tend to have families will tend to survive.
[02:04:38]  Exactly, exactly.
[02:04:39]  Well, and also What wealth does is it, to some extent, insulates you from natural consequences.
[02:04:47]  Right?
[02:04:47]  So when you have an obesity.
[02:04:49]  Exactly.
[02:04:50]  And so, or even something like a social security system, right?
[02:04:54]  So the natural consequence of not populating at replacement numbers exists in the long term, but it doesn't exist in the short term for your average person.
[02:05:04]  So it doesn't eliminate the consequence, but it insulates you from it.
[02:05:07]  When you're closer to a state of nature, you're not insulated in such a direct way.
[02:05:11]  This is so true.
[02:05:12]  And this is why I don't understand why the right refuse to accept and embrace capitalist class consciousness.
[02:05:19]  Keep going!
[02:05:20]  Steve Bannon!
[02:05:21]  Keep going!
[02:05:22]  I want to hear more!
[02:05:24]  Steve Bannon agrees.
[02:05:25]  It's like the rich, the So there's always this idea, particularly from Republican circles, that pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
[02:05:34]  Anyone can make it, anyone can do it.
[02:05:35]  But the problem is the consequences for the rich, for any sort of mistake made in life, are so much less severe than the consequences for someone who is dirt poor.
[02:05:43]  Like you try to start a business, you got 10 grand to do it, that business fails, your life is over if you're poor.
[02:05:49]  You can do that a million times as a rich person.
[02:05:52]  So the ideology is like, oh, well, our brains are all equal.
[02:05:55]  Well, so what?
[02:05:55]  I could have the same, you know, Same mental processing, same IQ, whatever, as someone who's born into a wealthy family, and we could make all the same mistakes, but they're going to be able to survive those mistakes way better than I can.
[02:06:08]  Agreed.
[02:06:08]  I think there's truth in that, but I'll add something else.
[02:06:10]  I don't think all of our brains are equal.
[02:06:11]  I think we're all equal in the sense that we're created in God's image of likeness.
[02:06:14]  No, they're just saying if.
[02:06:15]  Okay, so my point is there are obviously some people who are more like cognitively capable of navigating modern structures in a way that amasses wealth.
[02:06:23]  And so there are some people who, even if they're born into a poor family, will be able to ascend up into a very high income bracket.
[02:06:31]  However, I do agree, and part of why...
[02:06:35]  I think the issue is complicated is because I do believe that the rich absolutely have a responsibility to use their power in a way that considers and even benefits and advocates for the poor.
[02:06:50]  I certainly agree with that.
[02:06:51]  I don't believe in what would be called class warfare.
[02:06:54]  I do think the different classes have to interact with each other.
[02:06:56]  I think they have to work for one another's interests.
[02:06:58]  I don't think they can even begin to understand one another.
[02:07:00]  There's not a... I don't... I think it is very... Well, that depends.
[02:07:04]  I think the someone who lives in a very wealthy upbringing cannot even begin to comprehend the life of someone who is working.
[02:07:12]  I agree.
[02:07:13]  I don't entirely.
[02:07:14]  I don't know.
[02:07:14]  I think they don't know real world experience.
[02:07:16]  They've never been in a position where they could lose everything be homeless.
[02:07:21]  And yeah, but you're right.
[02:07:23]  And I've having having Living on the south side of Chicago, not even the worst of poverty in the world.
[02:07:30]  Like you're still a wealthy American.
[02:07:31]  And then growing up around an increase, like from Chicago to the suburbs, to the universities, the people that I'd hang out with.
[02:07:40]  I have some friends who are so wealthy.
[02:07:42]  They once said to me, hey, we're going to Switzerland for the weekend.
[02:07:45]  Do you want to come?
[02:07:46]  And I was like, are you buying me a ticket?
[02:07:48]  And they're like, well, just come.
[02:07:49]  And I'm like, I can't just come unless you pay for me.
[02:07:52]  And they literally can't comprehend that.
[02:07:53]  So they're like, oh, well, we're all going.
[02:07:55]  No, I think that's true.
[02:07:56]  And they would say things like, did you get the new video game?
[02:08:00]  And I'd be like, well, I mean, maybe I can get it in two weeks.
[02:08:03]  You know, I got my paycheck.
[02:08:04]  And they're like, just get it now and we'll play.
[02:08:05]  And I'm like, I don't have money.
[02:08:08]  Yeah.
[02:08:08]  No, I totally understand all of that.
[02:08:11]  However, there are a lot of To use a very cringeworthy term, lived experiences that we can't understand that other people do, that doesn't mean we can't collaborate with them.
[02:08:19]  So right now, one of the massive issues that we're facing as a culture is we're increasingly stratified.
[02:08:25]  And historically, wealthy people, middle class people, and poor people would have the same religious beliefs, oftentimes attending the same church.
[02:08:33]  And so they were on the same team culturally, religiously, in terms of the common goals of the nation.
[02:08:40]  They were collaborating with one another.
[02:08:43]  And then a wealthy person could be open to and more capable of hearing the concerns of the poor, What you'll see is that among the wealthy, it's very intellectually fashionable for them to fancy themselves heroes of the working classes, those who care about the lower classes, but they never interact with them.
[02:09:00]  And I'm saying if they did, they could actually do genuine good for them, even though I agree with you, they don't understand.
[02:09:06]  Like there is just a different level.
[02:09:08]  We do have to wrap up because we're way over, but I want to end with one final thought on this.
[02:09:12]  Being wealthy is a choice.
[02:09:13]  What?
[02:09:15]  It's a choice.
[02:09:16]  So the issue is, first, do you have the mental capability to make the choice?
[02:09:24]  And then do you have the willpower and the understanding?
[02:09:28]  I'll give you a really simple example.
[02:09:29]  There's a show called The Real Hustle.
[02:09:31]  Great show.
[02:09:32]  A guy, they go and they buy a $10 bottle of Jergens, and then he buys $10 worth of small little bottles, puts the Jergens in it, and sells each bottle for $100.
[02:09:44]  I know people who make $300,000, $400,000 a year, working one day a year.
[02:09:49]  You know why?
[02:09:50]  They do sales.
[02:09:51]  But the sales they choose to do is among people who are wealthy.
[02:09:56]  How did they get to that position?
[02:09:58]  They went to a wealthy club, It was a woman, schmoozed up some wealthy people and got in their circle just by being friends, and then facilitated a sale that nets $300,000 a year.
[02:10:09]  So when I say choice, here's what I mean.
[02:10:11]  Yeah, if being wealthy was a choice, everyone would choose to be wealthy.
[02:10:14]  Not everyone has those social skills, those connections, the place they were born.
[02:10:17]  I'm intentionally being hyperbolic.
[02:10:19]  The point is, the difference between being wealthy and not is not Like, that you have to invent the greatest thing in the world, or start a multi-million dollar business, or be a movie star.
[02:10:30]  It's quite literally that you take a two-cent piece of copper, hit it with a hammer, and then walk up to a millionaire and say it costs ten grand, and they give you ten grand.
[02:10:40]  It's mostly about... Careful, this is going to get clipped as some podcast financial advice.
[02:10:46]  I'm not going to give you financial advice, but I am telling you, when I have traveled down the route that I have chosen to travel.
[02:10:54]  And it resulted in starting with little money and then making my way up to lots of money.
[02:10:58]  And throughout my life, I have met people who are poor, and they were poor due to their own fault.
[02:11:03]  Wasting money, burning money, and doing dumb things.
[02:11:06]  Tim, I've known you since I was 20 years old.
[02:11:08]  We traveled a lot when we were younger.
[02:11:10]  You are one of the hardest workers I know.
[02:11:12]  Not everyone has your brain.
[02:11:13]  You have a very, very unique brain.
[02:11:15]  And that's why I said the first thing is you have the ability.
[02:11:17]  You have the brain to do it.
[02:11:18]  But let's just be real.
[02:11:19]  And also the life circumstances.
[02:11:21]  There are things that could have happened to you that would make this all impossible.
[02:11:24]  When I was a teenager, there was this dude who we were hanging out with in the south side of Chicago, and somebody was selling pot.
[02:11:31]  And he was like, he was like, what the fuck are you selling dope for?
[02:11:34]  You're dumb.
[02:11:35]  And he was like, well, I gotta make money.
[02:11:37]  He's like, how much money are you making?
[02:11:38]  And he's like, he's like, I don't know, a couple hundred bucks a week.
[02:11:41]  And he's like, he's like, man, I sell t-shirts, I make more money than you.
[02:11:44]  You know what I do?
[02:11:45]  I walk past the venue and I see the band that's playing.
[02:11:48]  I go on their website.
[02:11:49]  I call them and say, do you guys have merch?
[02:11:51]  They say, no.
[02:11:51]  I say, I'm gonna make t-shirts for you.
[02:11:53]  I'm gonna sell them and I'm gonna give you 20%.
[02:11:55]  He's like, dude, I go to a t-shirt shop.
[02:11:57]  I say, here's the picture of the shirt.
[02:11:59]  I make two grand per week.
[02:12:01]  They get paid money.
[02:12:01]  I get paid money and I ain't going to jail for it.
[02:12:04]  And he was like, how hard was it to do any of that?
[02:12:07]  He's like, well, I don't know.
[02:12:08]  I was like, I don't know how to do any of that.
[02:12:09]  My point is like, You have a choice when you're younger to look at someone who's doing something like that?
[02:12:17]  I mean, here's my point.
[02:12:18]  That entrepreneurial spirit, the social capabilities, the ability to, you know, enact ideas.
[02:12:24]  Some people, like we were talking about earlier, some people are followers.
[02:12:26]  That's just how they are.
[02:12:27]  I'm not trying to be completely literal that someone could wake up one day and be like, I'm gonna be rich.
[02:12:32]  But it's not that far off.
[02:12:36]  I know a person who is one of the stupidest people I've ever met.
[02:12:39]  Dude, I'm right here.
[02:12:40]  But they went to a nightclub to get drunk and party, and they went to a wealthy area of New York, and they had a hundred bucks from their Starbucks job, which was enough to buy a couple drinks and dance around and met some women, and the women were like, we're all going to my friend's house tomorrow night, you should totally come.
[02:12:58]  They're at the top of the Trump Tower in a millionaire's house, and they were like, I'm trying to, you know, I'm trying to sell this, I don't have time for it.
[02:13:05]  If I gave you a Rolodex, could you call these people and figure it out?
[02:13:09]  I'll give you 10%.
[02:13:10]  Now she's rich!
[02:13:11]  That sounds like sheer luck.
[02:13:12]  I know people that spend their whole lives planning these things, proposals, going to all of these meetings with rich people and getting rejected every single time.
[02:13:20]  And to be fair, I've spent hundreds of dollars at bars, and I've never gotten that kind of a deal out of it.
[02:13:26]  The difference between being wealthy and not is very much circumstance.
[02:13:30]  It sounds like luck!
[02:13:31]  But it's not luck to choose to go hang out with rich people and then sell rich people stupid shit.
[02:13:36]  Rich people aren't always wanting to hang out with you when you've grown up in a, you know, slum.
[02:13:41]  I think people then genuinely don't understand the experiences of a wealthy person in New York City hanging out at a nightclub.
[02:13:49]  And if you walk in, like, how is it that I have friends who are like, fly with us to Switzerland?
[02:13:54]  I'm like, I don't have the money.
[02:13:55]  And they're like, oh, that sucks.
[02:13:56]  But they're still friends with me, and we still hung out, and I still... It's not in Switzerland.
[02:14:00]  It's, like, connections is an easy way to put it.
[02:14:02]  Connections is, yeah, that'll definitely give you, like... My point is this.
[02:14:06]  If you are poor, and in a poor area...
[02:14:09]  There is a gap of knowledge, but it is not as hard as people think.
[02:14:14]  You literally just need to be like, I am going to go find some rich people and talk to them.
[02:14:19]  What if you have zero social skills because you grew up in a horribly abusive household where your parents never taught you anything, they didn't let you go to school, whatever.
[02:14:30]  Being the person who cleans the toilet of a rich person, you will make six figures.
[02:14:35]  And you could be the stupidest Forrest Gump person in the world being like, oh no, no.
[02:14:39]  How do I get that job?
[02:14:40]  You just meet them, you meet them.
[02:14:42]  Like, this is my point.
[02:14:43]  He's offering.
[02:14:44]  This is my point.
[02:14:46]  My point is, when you serve ice cream at Trump Tower, Trump walks up to you and hands you a hundred dollar bill.
[02:14:52]  He comes down and says, hey everybody, thanks for working for him, and he hands out hundreds.
[02:14:55]  He does that all the time.
[02:14:56]  The person serving ice cream at Trump Tower makes more money than a person serving ice cream at Starbucks.
[02:15:00]  That's it.
[02:15:01]  I'm looking up how much someone who works at Trump Towers make.
[02:15:04]  My point is very simply this.
[02:15:06]  If you buy $20 worth of Jergens and put them in little designer bottles, you can make $100,000 a year.
[02:15:10]  and put them in little designer bottles, you can make $100,000 a year.
[02:15:15]  The point is, in America, some people may not know these things, and for some people, it's circumstance.
[02:15:21]  But the reason I'm saying it's a choice is obviously to be a little hyperbolic and to rustle up some feathers, but it's that the gap between being rich and poor is not as big a leap as people think.
[02:15:32]  The average salary at Trump, I mean this is just what Google's saying so it must be true, it's like 50k.
[02:15:38]  Now imagine being a concierge at a motel.
[02:15:40]  Server is starting at 28k.
[02:15:43]  And then my point is, do you think these people, including their salaries... Trump better be coming by a lot!
[02:15:48]  And he does!
[02:15:49]  But my point is this, if you're a server at Barney's in Nebraska, or a server at Trump Tower, who's making more money?
[02:15:59]  By simple proximity, you are getting more.
[02:16:01]  I've actually seen like this new trend start with young women where they're trying to like find jobs that you can work in order to start dating rich men.
[02:16:09]  Yeah.
[02:16:10]  Like work at the golf course, work at, you know, a high class restaurant.
[02:16:13]  Work as caddies.
[02:16:13]  Yeah, work at all these places.
[02:16:15]  Where's my nine iron?
[02:16:16]  An interesting response that was like, you're just gonna be the temporary muse of some rich man and then he's gonna go marry someone within his own class.
[02:16:24]  Let me put it this way.
[02:16:25]  If you work for Vice, or BuzzFeed, you're getting paid like 60 grand a year to do what?
[02:16:35]  Nothing.
[02:16:35]  That's my point.
[02:16:37]  That there are people who train really, really hard and are like, I do an honest living, I'm a plumber, I'm making X amount of dollars, and it's like, yeah.
[02:16:43]  And that kid who showed up one day and said, don't know, don't care, is being given four or five times as much money as you by simple proximity.
[02:16:50]  So what I'm trying to say is, When I say choice, I'm saying proximity.
[02:16:56]  I'm saying that you could decide to go and seek out wealthy individuals and try and befriend them, and you would be surprised a lot of these people are really, really dumb and undeserving of what they have relative to you.
[02:17:07]  True.
[02:17:07]  This is my point.
[02:17:08]  A plumber who works really hard deserves more money than a BuzzFeed writer.
[02:17:11]  Why does the BuzzFeed writer have more money?
[02:17:13]  They simply said, I'm not gonna be a plumber, I'm gonna go work for BuzzFeed and I just get more money.
[02:17:17]  Here's the problem.
[02:17:18]  Not everyone can work in the bullshit economy.
[02:17:20]  Like, you're right.
[02:17:21]  People can hustle their way into it, but some people have to do the real work that earns the bullshit economy.
[02:17:26]  No, I think that's also true.
[02:17:28]  That's also true.
[02:17:29]  But my point ultimately is, if you ever go to a wealthy nightclub and hang out with these people, you'll find many of them have money and shouldn't.
[02:17:36]  But it's like they inherited it or they started a business because of their connections.
[02:17:40]  Like for me to start a business is a lot easier because I have money than it would be for a working class person.
[02:17:45]  But if a person came to work for me, they would get paid probably double what they would get paid for at your average corporation.
[02:17:51]  And that's not because, you know, I'm a communist or something like that.
[02:17:55]  It's just because we have the means to pay and we are a higher economic standard of a business.
[02:18:00]  Not gonna lie, this is kind of based advice.
[02:18:02]  All right, listen.
[02:18:03]  You living in a trailer park out there?
[02:18:06]  Find Nepo babies at clubs and siphon all of their money from them.
[02:18:10]  Be friends with people, like networking is half the battle.
[02:18:16]  Simply put, if you sell lotion at the mall, you will make 10 bucks an hour.
[02:18:22]  If you sell lotion in Beverly Hills, you will make $1,000 an hour.
[02:18:26]  For no other reason than rich people give you the money.
[02:18:29]  That's the choice I'm talking about.
[02:18:31]  If you panhandle in Beverly Hills, you may or may not make more money.
[02:18:36]  If you panhandle in a trailer park, you make no money.
[02:18:38]  Yeah.
[02:18:39]  By simply walking... I'll tell you this.
[02:18:41]  You want to be rich?
[02:18:42]  Go to Chicago.
[02:18:44]  Sit down on State and Jackson, or whatever, I don't know, State and Jackson, and take a Folgers tin, sit on the ground up against a wall, write a sign that says, I have nothing, please understand, and fall asleep.
[02:18:59]  This is not financial advice.
[02:19:00]  And you will wake up in two hours with $300.
[02:19:02]  It's not financial advice.
[02:19:03]  My point, I'm making a point.
[02:19:05]  I have seen people do this.
[02:19:07]  Go wait outside a YouTuber's house like Mr. Beast.
[02:19:12]  I mean, if you go to Mr. Beast's neighborhood, you're more likely to be handed $10,000 than if you don't.
[02:19:22]  That's what I'm talking about.
[02:19:23]  When I learned how people make money in this country, it's simply by being around money.
[02:19:29]  I'm like, you just need to choose to do it.
[02:19:31]  You need to say, today, I'm in a poor neighborhood, I'm gonna go panhandle in the rich neighborhood.
[02:19:36]  Making that simple of a choice.
[02:19:37]  Not everybody understands that, but that's the simple nature of the choice.
[02:19:41]  Instead of selling lotion at the mall, sell lotion in Beverly Hills.
[02:19:44]  Now you're rich.
[02:19:46]  It's crazy to me that I see hippie ladies that will, like, buy beads at Hobby Lobby for $5 and then go sell it in a wealthy neighborhood and make $300,000 a year.

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[02:19:54]  I'm like, wow!
[02:19:56]  These people are rich because rich people just buy this thing.
[02:19:59]  It's the same thing.
[02:20:01]  Make your market the wealthier person.
[02:20:03]  But anyway, we're way over time, so I'll wrap it up.
[02:20:05]  No, that's me, I'm ranting.
[02:20:06]  So Lauren, you wanna shout anything out?
[02:20:08]  Yes, we have a documentary coming out.
[02:20:11]  I know, we didn't even talk about it.
[02:20:12]  Infringed.
[02:20:14]  You're deciding when it's getting released, but it is absolutely lit.
[02:20:16]  Most comprehensive documentary ever, ever on gun control.
[02:20:21]  And yeah, it's gonna be coming out shortly.
[02:20:23]  I think we'll probably just release it really soon.
[02:20:25]  Sick!
[02:20:26]  But we got to figure out the marketing plan and we're probably going to put clips from the documentary on this channel periodically.
[02:20:31]  I'd love to see it.
[02:20:31]  And then the full documentary will be on TimCast.
[02:20:33]  I think we're doing TimCast.com members only.
[02:20:35]  Yeah.
[02:20:36]  But then we're going to segment it out and have key moments of it as standalone YouTube videos.

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[02:20:40]  Yeah.
[02:20:41]  And everyone gets to see it except you, actually.
[02:20:43]  Oh.
[02:20:43]  Yeah, like we've actually made it so that if you log in as Seamus, it's just not there.
[02:20:46]  It's like a location ban, but anywhere you are.
[02:20:50]  You guys are bad friends.
[02:20:52]  Yeah, I got a YouTube channel done called Freedom Tunes.
[02:20:55]  We make cartoons.
[02:20:56]  We release two cartoons a week.
[02:20:57]  We have one cartoon behind the paywall and other behind-the-scenes stuff behind the paywall.
[02:21:00]  So if you guys go to freedomtunes.com and become a member, you'll be able to see.
[02:21:04]  I think we have almost 50 behind-the-paywall cartoons up at this point that aren't on YouTube that are only for paying subscribers.
[02:21:10]  If y'all want to go over there, check that out and help support the mission and the cartoons.
[02:21:17]  I wanna wrap it up.
[02:21:18]  Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
[02:21:19]  Become a member at TimCast.com.
[02:21:20]  We got two documentaries coming out soon.
[02:21:22]  The first one, Infringed, by Lauren Southern.
[02:21:24]  We're really excited for it.
[02:21:25]  It's gonna be super cool.
[02:21:26]  But it's because of your support as members.
[02:21:28]  So, uh, thanks for hanging out.