The Culture War #1 - Oli London, Author Of Detransition
Oli London is famous for being Trans Korean and Trans gender. Last year Oli came out as a detransitioner and began discussing why he felt the need to find his true self and stop chasing plastic surgeries. This resulted in animosity, threats, and damage to his career.
Oli joins Tim Pool to discuss issues of identity crises and trans issues.
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Um so I've been through quite a few struggles so I started surgery in 2013 and it literally started just to try and improve myself so I always used to hate the way I look so I just started with a nose job and it went wrong so then I had to get a few more surgeries and they kept going wrong so I kind of became addicted and then I was like saying to the doctors well I want to look like a k-pop star why not look like Jimin who happens to be very handsome very beautiful um and I used to live in Korea so I was familiar with Jimin I was like let me look like him and it didn't It didn't quite turn out the way I wanted to.
So I had to have, I've been under the knife, I think about 11 separate times under general anaesthetic.
Wow.
32 procedures in total.
And yeah, so I struggled with that and I still was missing something in life.
And I'd always had kind of gender dysphoria.
I'd always questioned myself as a, you know, as a child, I used to play dress up in girls' clothes.
I used to play with Barbie dolls.
As a teen, people used to say I was more like a girl.
So I'd always questioned that.
And then it was really going through that identity struggle Am I Korean?
Am I like Jimin or what?
I was kind of having a crisis and then I was like, you know, maybe the answer is that I've got gender dysphoria and I'm stuck in the wrong body.
So I had facial feminization, um, had 11 procedures, had all my bones shaved to make it more feminine.
And then I got to a point I was like, am I really going to do this for the rest of my life?
I'm going to keep having surgery.
I'm going to keep putting myself at risk because it's not making me happy.
So I've, you know, been able to kind of move away from that and just focus on being happy with the way I am.
The 5% Japanese we learned only through DNA testing.
And then I always give like a wink wink to the audience like, and you know why that is, right?
It's like not because of good things.
But the funny thing is, like, I hear the story about you.
And I think we talked about this on Timcast IRL.
I'm like, this guy is getting surgery to be Korean.
I literally have family members who are Korean right and they make kimchi and all that stuff and I've never felt that disconnect or need To get surgery or modify my appearance or anything and that I found that really interesting that you know Here's this guy who identifies with either kpop stars or whatever and wants to get surgery to look this way.
I literally have family You know, from Korea, it's my mom's side, so I've not met any direct Korean family, but all of my mom's side are half Korean.
And I've, it's, I don't know, I grew up, my mom would make bulgogi, you know, and, and other Korean food because her mom taught her.
And there was never, I never had an identity crisis like that.
But you know, as you know, there's a lot of pressure in that society to look a certain way.
You know, 18 year olds, when it's their 18th birthday, their present for their birthday is a nose job or a boob job.
So it's really become common.
There's a million surgeries performed every year in South Korea.
One in five Koreans have surgery now.
Many get the double eyelids and a rhinoplasty, which is the nose.
So it's a really common phenomenon.
So I was living there, I never liked the way I looked and I thought, you know what, everyone else is having surgery here, why can't I look like that person on the billboard?
Why can't I look like, you know, Jimin?
And it's interesting because there's a lot of Koreans that have surgery to maybe have more westernized features.
So a higher nose bridge, double eyelid surgery, V-line jaw surgery, which is an increasingly common thing we see in China and Japan.
And, you know, I was kind of doing the opposite.
But there are a lot of foreigners that live in Korea.
They might be English teachers or whatever they're doing there.
They also have surgery because they like the Korean aesthetic.
It's just, you know, it's such a beautiful culture and people fall in love with it.
And people think, you know, I want to look like that K-pop star because they're perfect, they're happy and, you know, they're successful.
I went to Seoul for the first time a few years ago.
I was with Luke Rudkowski of We Are Change.
We went to raccoon cafes.
We went to dog cafes.
I think they sound nicer than they are.
It is fun to go to a dog cafe, but they're pissing and shitting all over the place.
It's like, what do you expect?
The Raccoon Cafe was more fun because they have like pens or whatever, but I love that place.
It was really, really amazing to get to go there.
And the sad thing for me, and I'll just say this as an aside is, you know, on my grandmother's side of the family, their ancestry is actually split between North and South.
So it's become, you know, very different.
But I guess the question I have for you, you mentioned you're living in Seoul.
I'm wondering, was this really like, It's an interesting question in how transracial ideas relate to gender dysphoria because the argument we get from the transgender activists is that Everybody has within them the ability to be male or female, and some people feel like they could be born in the wrong body.
But then you look at people like Rachel Dolezal who are transracial, and that's not the case.
I mean, maybe deep down you've got a small percentage of DNA of someone who is, you know, from Africa or from Korea or whatever, but to be a white person from the Pacific Northwest who identifies as a black person, I think says more about the socialization and not the internalization, meaning, I'm not so convinced a lot of gender dysphoria is rooted in the idea that people have within them the ability to be female or male or in the wrong body.
What I see with your story is, and I'm wondering if you'd agree or what your thoughts are, you're surrounded by Korean people you don't look like.
And so part of it is, you wanna be a part of this community, you wanna look like they do, you wanna be like they do, otherwise you're this odd person out.
I mean, when I lived there, it was the first time in my life where I felt like I belonged.
So, you know, I was away from home, it was a completely new me, you know, it was a completely new set of friends, completely new culture, so I was able to almost reinvent myself.
So, because I was so unhappy as a teen, I was bullied for the way I looked, I thought, you know, here's a chance that I can change myself, and that's where it started.
I loved Korean culture, I loved the people, they were so kind, so I thought, I want to be a part of this culture.
So that's really where it stemmed from.
So it was more of a love and wanting to fit in.
Because I'd never had many friends as a young kid, I was always bullied.
And I just, for the first time, I felt like I fitted in.
So I thought, well, at least I need to look that way.
I mean, looking like the people who you live around, I understand.
I was talking to this woke activist, maybe like six years ago.
And one thing I did agree with him on was if you're a minority in the United States, if you're Latino, if you're black, if you're Asian, you look at movies, you look at billboards, and almost always it's a white person.
Me personally, I grew up, you know, as I mentioned, with like a mixed race family.
I never really gave a shit.
It's like, whatever.
But...
You know, I asked this guy and he's like, a lot of young people, it affects them.
And I think, I can't remember who it was, it might have been Donald Glover, I don't want to drag anybody into this, but there's a black actor or whatever, who said that he had like, I guess you can call it racial dysphoria, in that he's in this culture where everything and all of the most famous and best people are white people, and that's a strange position to be in when you're only 13% of the population.
How does that play into gender dysphoria?
I mean, because you ended up going that route as well.
Yeah I mean with me it was very complex because it was a variety of things so I had body dysmorphia so I basically hated the way I looked so I wanted to change myself completely but then as a kid I did experiment I did do more girly things you know I wasn't one of those boys that goes out and plays soccer or does sports outside all the outdoors I like to do girly things playing with Barbie dolls playing dress-up things like that you know watching kind of Disney princesses and stuff so you know I had that as a kid but it really progressed in adult life when I was confused with who I was.
I was having all this surgery in Korea.
I wanted to look Korean because, you know, in Korea having surgery is kind of seen as a sign of success, a sign of happiness and perfection.
Pretty much every K-pop star, I know they'll all deny it, every single K-pop star has surgery.
When I was in the clinics I would see, you know, groups of guys or groups of girls together and they were clearly K-pop stars in training and you could see they were getting the surgeries before they debuted.
You know, everyone does it.
It's a pressure to succeed.
So I kind of succumbed to that pressure.
I always wanted to change myself.
And then the gender dysphoria was kind of linked in the whole time.
You know, I was always questioning myself.
And when I didn't get the happiness I wanted with all the Korean plastic surgery, I was, you know, questioning myself.
There's something missing.
It must be the gender thing.
And so many people always said I was more feminine.
I was more like a girl.
or a woman, you know, some people even tell her like a lesbian, I was like, okay, you know, maybe I'm meant to be a girl.
So that's when that kind of started.
And I was like, you know, this Korean stuff isn't making me happy.
Why am I not happy?
I've had all this surgery, something's missing.
So then the gender dysphoria kind of took over.
unidentified
And, you know, I thought maybe I am in the wrong body. - Man, your story, I think, this is an important story.
We get so much of these kids who are, they say are transgender, and I feel like a lot of it is they don't fit in, they tend to be autistic, many of them tend to be gay.
So you have young girls, for instance, I think 85% of trans identifying young people are female to male.
So you've got a social element, you've got not fitting in, and then you've got someone saying, "Here's the answer to why you feel this way." When you look at your story, I think the average person can see transracial and transgender, if these things are happening, Together at the same time, like maybe the real issue is people are trying to find a way to fit in with those around them and they're being told this is that way.
And if we just helped these people, you know, be themselves or build self-esteem and confidence, we wouldn't have so many kids getting surgeries that may eventually sterilize them or medications or anything like that.
Yeah I mean absolutely I agree with my case personally but we're seeing so many teenagers these days they do want to fit in and like you said rightly most of the transitions now are female to male that wasn't the case you know years ago it was more kind of it was a much lesser degree of people having transitions but it was more boys to girls so we saw very recently with the Missouri Clinic whistleblower The teacher was referring groups of girls from a school and communicating with one of the doctors at the clinic.
These were 11 and 12 year olds.
The doctor was saying, oh they must have gender dysphoria.
And I don't think that's the solution because like you said many people struggle with their sexuality.
So I'm bisexual.
I struggled as a teenager.
Many of these kids also have autism.
And, you know, I've never been diagnosed, but I have a lot of traits of autism.
You know, I've been researching it for my book and stuff, and I have a lot of traits, and I think, you know, we're misdiagnosing people, and kids are going through a stage, maybe they're gay, lesbian, or bi, they're exploring themselves, but they're being confused with that, and then getting gender dysphoria.
Um I know I should have come to that realization sooner but it was a long time coming so it was really this kind of crash course I was having surgery for about 10 years and I was thinking I'm gonna die at some point you know I'd had surgeries where I was in so much pain I even had a chest surgery before removing all my fat nipples and it was just so much pain I'm covered in scars like you can see I've got scars here scars in my forehead and I just got to a point when am I gonna stop?
You know I'm I was thinking again after my last surgeries my facial feminization I was thinking what can I do next and I was thinking I've done my entire face there's nothing left to do and I still wasn't happy and I was trying to think you know it's not going to end it's not going to end so I needed help so I started going to therapy I actually started going to church
And I went to church as a kid, but most of my life I was just atheist, you know, I believed in the power of the universe, I believed there was some God out there, and I just thought, you know, I need to stop this, it's very dangerous, it was upsetting my family, my family stopped speaking to me many times, I lost so many of my friends, all because of this obsession with wanting to look and become someone that I wasn't.
So now I've probably got like seven really close friends.
Whereas before, you know, I knew so many people and I kind of almost have become a shell of who I used to be.
You know, the old Ollie that was always out in the world trying to help people.
I used to do a lot of charity work when I was like 20, 21 and stuff.
I was always kind of thinking about others, but I became so obsessed with wanting to look a certain way.
And, you know, I was ignoring other people around me.
People were trying to stop me.
You know, even people online were saying, you know, it's cultural appropriation and stuff.
No, I didn't I didn't feel that way because I love Korea so much but I can now in retrospect I can see that and you know I take accountability that I did some things in the past which may have caused the fence and I'm sorry for that but you know I'm just glad that I was able to get out of that kind of crazy cycle.
I just, it's so weird to me because, you know, I was mentioning earlier, like, I've never felt a need to do any kind of surgery to be more Korean or anything like that.
I've never felt the need to be more white or anything like that.
I just, I don't know, I kind of grew up with who I was.
But I also have literally no problem with you.
Like, I see a story about a guy who wants to get surgery to look more Korean and I just, I'm just like, oh, that's kind of weird.
I don't know.
I wouldn't, I wouldn't accuse someone of cultural appropriation.
I wouldn't, I don't care.
I'm like, isn't it, isn't it kind of flattering some dudes trying to look like you?
Like they do it to us, right?
You were saying that in Korea, they do westernization.
I mean, I'm sure because I wanted to look like Jimin.
You know, that was just, you know, most people go to a doctor, a girl will say, I want to look like Kim Kardashian.
Give me her booty.
Give me her boobs.
You know, that's very common in America, right?
So the Kim Kardashian look or the Angelina Jolie lips, so many people do that.
I was just like, I want to look a different way.
If I can look as close to this person as possible, let's do it.
And you know, people got offended with that.
And I was thinking firstly, I'm sure Jimin of BTS, I'm sure he was flattered.
Come on, you got to be flat.
Maybe he thought I was like a crazy stalker.
But you must be flattered like someone wants to be like you.
He didn't comment.
I mean, I was on Dr. Phil and Dr. Phil did try to call him and get him on.
And his management passed.
I wonder why.
So yeah, Jim in Jim in yeah, so, you know, that was just the guy just like someone wants that like Kim Kardashian, right?
It's big famous Korea And you know so many people in Korea in Asia They want to look like Western celebrities and part of that is a pressure when you look at a magazine like Vogue in India most of the women on there have airbrushed skin they even have white and skin even the Bollywood actresses and No, it's a well-known fact they do that.
So, there's this constant pressure for someone in that culture to look, you know, almost Caucasian in their features.
And, you know, they do these surgeries.
So, from what I was doing was kind of the opposite, but I wasn't the only foreigner doing that.
There were many foreigners in Korea getting the eye surgery, getting the jaw surgery to have that.
Yeah so I mean I was very open you know I'd always share my journey and stuff share my kind of journey um because it was almost for me at the time it was like a therapy like I'm sharing this and almost like to get validation you know which is what a lot of young people do these days they always want validation and it was very toxic and social media can become Toxic, you know, you look at the number of likes, you look at the comments, the positivity, and I think that's the issue with a lot of teens these days.
They want to change their identity because they're almost suddenly praised and validated, you know, and that's the power of social media.
I mean, they drive me crazy, but, you know, the thing with Dylan, they started out as an actor, as a comedian, they were in the Book of Mormon, and suddenly they started doing- They were in the Book of Mormon?
But with the case of Dylan, you know, they start out as an actor, as a comedian, and then they suddenly started this Days of Girlhood series on TikTok, right?
And suddenly it started getting millions of views and comments, and then they started getting more shocking with their content.
So then they started doing tampon deals, which was, you know, outrageous for many women.
No, it's crazy.
You know, they were saying, oh, I need these tampons in my bag every time I go to the restroom, just in case.
He said something like, I don't have a Barbie pouch.
He goes, Barbie pouch!
And a bunch of trans women, a bunch of feminists, a bunch of just conservative women, they were all like, dude, this is fucked up.
Like, you're going way too far.
And the tampon thing really, I think, hit Dylan hard because Dylan did this video where it's like, I bring tampons to the women's room to, you know, for whatever reason, to use them or whatever.
And then you had the left and the right saying, yo, this is too much.
And then Dylan came out like crying, not really crying, but being like- Crocodile tears.
Crocodile tears.
It seems so fake.
Being like, I was just trying to help people.
And I'm like, listen, I see this person as a sociopathic narcissist who's looking at their social media, seeing this is what gets you views.
And so what I was saying, You know, a week or so ago, you've got, when it comes to transgender stuff, you've got gender dysphoria, which I think it's just, that's literally what it's called in the DSM-5 diagnostic of whatever.
And these are people who look in the mirror and they feel dysphoria, anxiety, pain, because their body doesn't seem to match how they see themselves.
And then you have the autophiles, the autoandrophile and the autogynophile, which is the sexual fetishist we see in, I think this is more so trans women than trans men.
So there's this big story with Leah Thomas, who was the NCAA swimmer.
And Leah Thomas apparently was involved in Instagram posts and Twitter threads implicating or indicating that this individual is AGP, they call it, which is not gender dysphoria.
This is a reference to being sexually aroused at the thought of being a woman.
And then AAP, autoandrophilia, is when a woman is sexually aroused at the thought of being a man.
So then you have those two components.
And we were talking with Blair White, who is a trans woman, and who suffers from dysphoria, not AGP, who mentioned that a lot of what we're seeing in the trans stuff is actually just sexual fetishism.
That brings us to Dylan Mulvaney, which I wonder has an overlap with your circumstance in that it's not a sexual fetish, it is not a dysphoria, it is a social pressure.
It is, you're getting likes, you're getting validation, You are being told by the world, this is what you need to be, and this is who you are.
So Dylan is being validated by every like, every click, every view, and then just one-upping himself, or themself, or whatever, every day, to the point where now Dylan gets facial surgery.
I don't think that's an issue of wanting to be a woman.
I think it's an issue of wanting to get likes on social media.
So Dylan obviously is, I think, doing it for attention because, look, he was at the Grammys recently.
You know, he's making millions of dollars.
He was with Joe Biden, of all people.
I mean, you know, how crazy does it get?
So, yeah, I think Dylan, and also people like Dylan, he started almost the thing on TikTok where you're seeing so many teenagers copying him, day five of girlhood and stuff, talking about tampons, talking about getting pregnant.
Because there are trans people out there and they've struggled their whole life then someone like Dylan comes along or someone like you were saying that's into almost the fetish of dressing up as a woman and it actually degrades the experience of real trans people so people that have lived all their life they're feeling trapped they've transitioned you know people like Blair White that has now discounted their experience to almost like a joke and a parody so you know Dylan's doing a lot of harm to actual trans people
Agreed, and then when, I know it's cliche to say, because it's what everyone says, it is doing real harm to trans people, and then when you get these trans individuals who speak out and say, this is causing us harm, they're called far-right, they're called conservative, it's so weird.
But man, the Dylan Mulvaney thing, I think, is just the perfect example of social media, like psychosis almost, That you get Joe Biden coming out saying, we need to affirm young people.
Affirm them.
And I'm like, listen, man, what's the line?
What do we affirm and what don't we affirm?
If a kid learns how to do a backflip and they're really good at it, yeah, we affirm that.
If a kid watches a baseball player, boy or girl, and they're like, I identify with that, we affirm that.
But if a kid wants to have healthy body parts removed, or if a kid is not eating properly, or if a kid is overeating, we don't affirm these things that cause harm to your body.
Yet for some reason, and I think it's because of social media, I think it's because of hyperpolarization, we've now become a society that says just give people whatever they say they want.
I mean we've seen in the United States over the last 15 years a hundred gender clinics have opened.
There was literally zero 15 years ago.
So this is really a recent phenomenon.
Of course we've seen instances of trans people throughout history and you know in my new book I talk about there was a Roman Emperor that was kind of trans.
He used to dress up as a woman.
He even used to go to a woman's brothel so he could have sex with guys and stuff because that was his fetish at the time.
So there are instances of people, and we know that, but the problem is it's a recent phenomenon driven by social media, and we shouldn't be medically transitioning children.
You know, as hard as it is for someone that's actually trans, you know, there used to be checks and balances.
You know, there used to be, years ago, you wouldn't be fast-tracked onto hormones.
You would have years of doctor's consultations, psychotherapy, just to make sure you were 100% right with your decision.
Now it's a fast-track process that, even without parental consent in some states, so we were seeing in Oregon, you know, 13 year olds can be put on puberty blockers without parental consent.
That's the real danger, is when we're medically transitioning kids, and we're seeing new studies coming out now.
There was a study yesterday published that said that kids that are on hormones or puberty blockers are seven times more likely to have a heart attack in later life.
They use the excuse every time, oh, because the suicide rates are so high for trans people, and it's like, yes, but what if You know, I can't remember what the studies were.
It was like 68 to like 90% of trans youth desist.
Desist, they call it.
Meaning that once they get around to the age of puberty, they immediately stop entertaining the idea of being the other gender or whatever.
So what happens if you take a kid who is not trans, but is just going along because these kids don't know, and then you cause, you either give them surgery or medication, what happens then when they later in life realize, hey, that wasn't the case?
Because now we're seeing detransitioners, I mean, like yourself, for instance, but a lot of other people.
We had Helena Kirshner on the show, and she transitioned.
She said she went to a Planned Parenthood and said, I'm a boy, and they went, okay, and slapped her a bottle of testosterone to maximum dose.
And we're seeing kids that wouldn't normally be trans, we're seeing groups of friends in particular classes in school,
That are being referred to gender clinics and with the case of the Missouri clinic that was exposed there was all they needed to get on puberty blockers or hormones was one letter from a therapist and they only needed one or two visits from that therapist and guess what that therapist was approved by the clinic so they recommended that therapist to the child so you know and they had these letter templates they changed the name of the child and they'd already have a template ready to put them on a prescription because if you're on testosterone you're on it for life What is it?
There's, you know, these doctors are kind of not doing their duty and there's so much money in it.
For a girl to transition to a boy, it's $70,000 for the surgeries and the hormones.
For a boy to transition to a girl, it's $40,000.
And we saw recently, it was leaked on The Daily Caller, a letter from, if you know, Biden's Assistant Health Secretary, Rachel Levine, the transgender admiral.
They were leaked in an email with a doctor at a gender clinic discussing return on investment and profit for a clinic.
So we're seeing it's all about profit.
These clinics are popping up everywhere.
And when a child detransitioned, that isn't put on the records at these hospitals.
So you'll see these hospitals will claim there's only a 3% regret rate.
That's because they control the statistics, they control the data.
Most of these kids that detransition, they don't even bother to do follow-ups.
We saw a clinic in the UK called the Tavistock Clinic, Do you see that video?
They had so many breaches of ethical standards.
They weren't even checking on the kids six months down the line to see how the puberty blockers were affecting them or hormones.
It was literally, come in, let's get your money and then out.
And that's the process.
So that's why we don't have any data saying how many people are detransitioning.
And there's no support for these people.
There's no, you know, they can't go back to the gender clinic and say, please, can you reverse this?
There's this woman, she says, even if you get your breasts removed, if you want them later in life, you can just get them. - It doesn't work like that.
I know, it's crazy.
Telling these teenage girls, remove a healthy part of your body and don't worry implants exist.
And it's like, yeah, you can't breastfeed your kids.
But I think it's for a lot of this capitalistic exploitation.
I know all of my libertarian friends are going to be like, no, it's the government's fault.
And it's like, I think the government plays a role in this.
I mean, Joe Biden himself as an agent of government comes out and says, affirm your kids.
They then take children away from their parents.
The weight of government is a pressure here.
But yo, there are there are clinics popping up to make money off of this.
Exactly and you know I speak with a lot of parents across America you know I was testifying for the Washington State Senate about a bill recently they were trying to introduce which would mean runaway teens that had run away from home or been taken into the foster care system so they might not have been from abusive families but they might use that to say the family don't want them to transition and then they will say oh they're abusive and take them away from the family and then transition them so that's incredibly harmful.
Yeah there was a tweet we talked about this trans woman who works for a leftist Who works for Media Matters, we're big fans of Media Matters, said that Matt Walsh should not be allowed within a mile of his kids or something like this.
Matt Walsh, of course, Daily Wire commentator, he did this What Is A Woman documentary, which was tremendous, very, very awesome, pushing the issue into the mainstream.
And Matt Walsh did a video where he talked about, first, He did a video where he was critical of Dylan Mulvaney and mean.
And a lot of people said he was mean, and I said he was mean.
I didn't go as far as most of these other people.
I just was like, yeah, you can get the point across without being as mean.
But I agree with him to a certain extent.
In response to my commentary and many others, he said, You know, I would rather die.
First he says, we have to be mean.
You cannot go too far in the culture war.
These people will not stop.
Being mean to them is not that much.
It's like, we're not talking about violence or anything like that.
And then he said, I would rather die than have my kids be trans.
And this trans activist then said, he should not be allowed near his children.
And that's a scary prospect because that's actually what they've been trying to do.
And he's talking directly to children saying these are the signs of a narcissistic parent you need to get away from them.
Separating the children and basically they try to blame the parents because a parent might not want their kid to medically transition.
They might fully support them you know a boy wearing a dress or whatever but when it comes to medical transition you know most parents are against that.
So these people, these activists, are trying to separate the parents from the kids, say that the parents are abusive when, you know, they're not.
In most of these cases, they're just loving.
They just want the best for their kid and separate them so they can transition the kid.
And, you know, it's harmful when you remove that protective barrier from kids, the family unit, the protection, they are extremely vulnerable.
And a lot of these kids already have issues, autism, eating disorders, bipolar, you know, so they're very, very vulnerable.
And then to tell them you're going to be popular, you're going to be validated, you're going to be just like Dylan Mulvaney.
I mean, how much of this do you think is pedophiles trying to exploit the system to create vulnerable children that can be exploited or to normalize their disturbing predilections?
Well, we're seeing across society a push for pedophilia.
I mean, we saw the Balenciaga scandal, that kind of, those images, which were very, very shocking.
And we're seeing other pushes in society.
I mean, look at the Epstein Island.
No one has been charged.
Ghislaine's in prison, but no one else has been charged.
We saw recently JP Morgan, CEO, leaked emails talking about Disney Princess code words with Epstein.
So, you know, we're seeing this push across society and this protection of these people and more and more shocking things.
Sam Smith's new music video featured these really bizarre fetish things, you know, which are, you know, available for just really, you know, he had someone urinating in his mouth.
Mocking a Baptist.
It was obviously water for the music video but it was to show a sexual fetish of someone urinating in his mouth and he was like taking it and drinking it like gross.
But yeah, so with regards to pedophilia, I think there's certainly a push from some people to push this, and we're even seeing cases of grown men identifying as, you know, women, so they can get access to children, because you can't say anything about that guy, because guess what?
There was that, I don't want to say the individual's name, but there was an individual, I think in the Pacific Northwest, who was going into women's bathrooms and taking pictures.
than sending messages to young girls on social media asking about how they use tampons and things like that.
And it's clearly like, this is an adult, morbidly obese male who is talking to young girls about, it's just, at what point do we recognize society has this decay within it that anyone would allow something like that to happen?
Imagine, you know, so I've been harping on about how I'm watching Yellowstone and I'm watching 1923 and I watch 1883 and I'm just thinking like, could you imagine going back a hundred years?
What do you think would happen to a guy who started talking to a little girl this way?
But yeah, you're right that we're seeing grown men.
We even got people now identifying as trans age and trans activists are promoters.
You've got adult men dressed in diapers with dummies and you even had a shocking case in the UK.
This was in the Scottish prison system.
This guy transitioned to become a trans woman and then he transitioned to become a baby.
And the prison service kept him in a women's prison and he was even wearing a diaper and a dummy and the prison officers would hold his hand as he's leaving the prison cell.
I mean that's how mad it's got now that we're trying to respect the pronouns and identity of a man identifying as a baby.
There's a story, it's from, I got, I pulled it up from the Daily Mail, 2015, I've gone back to being a child, husband and father of seven, leaves his wife and kids to live as a transgender six-year-old girl named Stef... Okay, it's pronounced Stefankni, but I think it's Stefani, and it's like, ni, and...
This is seven years ago, and this is an adult man who is wearing little girls clothes.
You know, part of the libertarian in me is like, you know, live and let live, do your thing.
But there is a real question about tolerance becoming acceptance, becoming a requirement.
And we see this thing in technology that I find interesting, that a luxury becomes a necessity.
You know, when cell phones come out, Only rich people have them.
Now, if you don't have a cell phone, who's gonna hire you?
It's like, I need to get a hold of you, you gotta have it.
So what we end up seeing is, in 2008, 2010, 2012, conservatives are saying, if we have gay marriage, then the next thing you know, they're gonna be teaching kids to be gay in school.
And all the liberals, and this is where I was back then, I'm like, oh, shut up.
That's so stupid.
Like, look, man, and I still feel this way.
If there's two dudes and they love each other and they want to get married, man, I don't care.
But then there is a point to be made about, well, what happens then when a child sees two men together?
A school's gonna say, hey, those guys are married.
So, whether it's intentionally trying to indoctrinate kids or not, if you normalize something in society, you do have to teach kids about it.
And then it goes from being something that we tolerate to something that we accept.
Then when it's something that we accept, you're then now teaching people what it is, you'll see more of it, you teach people how to do it.
And so the LGBT activists are probably, many of them I think we see with that creepy guy on social media, they are trying to actively create people who identify as LGBT.
We saw James Lindsay talked about this trans pedagogy, how they talk about Drag Queen Story Hour is intended to make these kids identify this way, as they describe it, putting glitter in the carpet that can never come out.
And I wonder, based on the high suicide rates, are we actually just sowing the seeds of discontent in young people who will then become disaffected adults who are maladjusted, who are suffering from anxiety and depression?
Right, but you know, kids don't judge people, that's just kids, that's their nature, they're very innocent and stuff, but we shouldn't be teaching them, oh, you need to change your pronouns, oh, it's okay to do this and that.
I think what I find interesting here is, you know, back in 2008, I'm very much pro-gay marriage.
My family owned a business in the gay neighborhood of Chicago in Boys Town in Wrigleyville, and so I've always been, you know, hey man, you know, let people love each other and stuff like that.
I have a point that's out that a lot of it they claim is love, but it's overtly sexual.
So, you know, growing up in, well I shouldn't say growing up, I'm from the south side of Chicago, but my family for a couple years had a cafe on the north side.
And you walk down Halstead, North Halstead in Chicago, they say it's about love, but look in the windows of these clothing stores and the mannequins are anatomically correct and in sex positions.
The Pride events, people are walking around naked and doing things that are overtly sexual and not love.
And then they have, I remember, they had genital-shaped macaroni and cheese at one store.
And I'm like, so what does that have to do with loving someone?
I understand making love and having sex, but why is it all, always just about sex?
So I always felt this way.
That a lot of the advocacy and activism is split between... The interesting thing about the transgender argument between gender dysphoria and autophilia is that one is a sexual fetish and one is truly a psychological state.
I feel the same thing is true with homosexuality, be it male, female, or bi.
I had some lesbian friends who told me that they had no issue sleeping with men, having sex, but they would never get emotionally attached to them, and they only felt an emotional attraction to women, and to them, that's what it meant to be a lesbian.
So I'm like, okay, that's interesting, but not everybody agrees with that.
I have to wonder if there is a component of that in some men fetishize other men, and so they say they're gay, and that's why it's overtly sex-based, and then some men actually do feel a strong emotional attraction, and that just, it so happens, you know, so one is love and one is not.
Yeah I mean it's definitely more of a recent phenomenon we're seeing everything sexualized like you said with a gay pride event it used to be about love and equality and stuff now it's people in BDSM gear and we even had the Democratic Senator in California Scott Weiner who was behind the new law to allow children to go to the state without parents and transition he was behind that he was pictured wearing bondage BDSM gear in a harness and he proudly posted it hashtag BDSM on his Twitter Or the guys in the dog costumes, like barking at children?
I've seen pictures on Twitter, you know, they're holding kids' hands and kids are looking at them and you're thinking, why are we exposing kids to this?
And it's sad because the LGBT community was all about love and inclusivity.
Now they've almost killed the message because it's all about fetish, it's all about bondage and sex.
And again, we were saying about earlier, Leah Thomas, Which was seen to be liking these fetish things on Instagram and stuff, and we're seeing it's becoming more of a fetish, and you know, there's many gay people that just want to love, they just want acceptance, and it's kind of harming them.
Yeah exactly and with Leo Thomas so they were exposed for what they're into and stuff but we also had one of the other swimmers Riley Gaines who said that in the dressing rooms Leo would unchange in front of them and smile at them and like look at them and make them feel very uncomfortable so it's almost like they like the idea of someone looking at them in this way and seeing their penis and stuff which is just absolutely wrong and you know that's one way to win a swimming competition if you're a man you know just say oh one day I want to be a woman and then you can win you know because you've got a biological advantage but um we're definitely
I'm definitely seeing more people that have these fetishes trying to use that, use the trans umbrella to kind of carry out their fetishes.
We're seeing grown men wearing lingerie on TikTok and talking about that and how they feel great and, you know, exposing themselves in public places, in women's restrooms.
Well, it was last year, it was about six months ago now, so, you know, even when I was trans, I was so respectful of women, like, I would never use women's spaces, you know, I never even thought about it, and it wasn't a fetish for me, it was literally, I felt that was the problem, that was the solution to my identity crisis and stuff, and, you know, I felt maybe I was in the wrong body, so it wasn't anything to do with, I like dressing up as a woman and stuff, but really it was about six months ago, and I just realized I'm either going to go have surgery.
I'm going to get breasts.
I was thinking about going to Thailand or consulted doctors.
Do I really want to do that?
And I was questioning that so much.
I was thinking, do I want to put myself through that?
Because it's not really reversible when you start messing with the body.
I've done the facial feminization.
I can kind of have more surgery to change that if I want to.
But when you mess with the body, you can't really change that.
So I considered that deeply.
And then I was like, you know what?
I don't want to put myself through that.
I need to try and unlock the person that had been trapped inside me for so many years.
I mean, you're in the news as this trans Korean, transgender, et cetera, and within six months, all of a sudden, you're now very knowledgeable on a lot of these issues that the average person isn't.
How does that happen?
I mean, I feel like it kind of makes sense.
You're entrenched in this.
You're not feeling good about it.
The surgeries are getting, you're just getting more and more, and then you have that realization.
I imagine, my view of it would be that all of a sudden, you're like, I need to look into what's going on.
So you're already immersed in this, and now all of a sudden you're hearing the opinions of other people.
And I spend so much time in America, I've been coming back and forth for 10 years.
So, you know, when I was seeing that these 12, 13 year olds are being put on puberty blockers and they're, you know, having all these health complications, I'm seeing people on TikTok.
Then I really started to look into it and think there's something more to this.
You know, this is a recent phenomenon.
You know, maybe I'd fell victim to what I'd seen on social media.
I thought, oh, it's with the Korean thing as well.
I just thought, oh, anyone can identify as anything these days.
Because they always say, oh, you can have 500 different pronouns.
Ziza, you can be a fairy, you could be a clown.
Like, all right, whatever.
So yeah, when I started researching, I thought something really nefarious and bad is going on.
You know, this isn't a question of trying to help people identify in a different way.
This is mutilating children.
This is harming women.
You know, and that's when I thought, you know what, I need to, instead of constantly doing my TikToks and stuff, which were all focused on me or my obsession with the way I looked, I can actually help people.
I can actually speak out.
And, you know, I've been speaking with a lot of detransition, speaking with a lot of parents, listening to their concerns.
And so I've really learned what's really going on.
So it's about struggling with your identity in this modern age of social media and the different factors that may influence someone to transition.
And within it, from my research, I'm talking about the gender ideology, gender affirming care, what's happening in different states, why is this happening, you know, all those kinds of things as well.
So yeah, I've kind of been researching a lot of those things and stuff.
But when I talk about my own journey and stuff, I was getting so much hate.
Oh, you're doing it for attention.
This is another publicity stunt and stuff.
And you know, this guy's got a new identity crisis every day.
No, I don't deny that I had a lot of identity crisis, but I feel like now I've actually unlocked the real me, I've actually found myself, and last week when I announced my book I had people saying I should be publicly executed, people should throw stones at me, throw rocks at me, so many messages telling me to commit suicide, so many messages tell me to kill myself, and I'm thinking, these are the people with all the pronouns on their bio, all about inclusivity, preaching love and acceptance, yet they're the most hateful people out there.
You know, obviously there are going to be Of any political faction or any ideology or whatever, you'll get mean people and nice people.
But man, there really is this tendency to what I see, and my assumption is, you probably have a lot of people on the right who are insulting you, but that's probably the extent of it.
Saying, what a weirdo, he's creepy, blah blah blah, but not threatening you with death or anything like that.
Yeah but I don't really get hate from more conservative people I always find them always nice even when I was trans or whatever they were always you know nice to me it was just the so when I did actually transition and I shared you know I actually went out in public I was at the Cannes Film Festival I was in this pink dress I was so nervous that was my first time fully as a woman and you know I had to be sewn into this dress as I got out the car I could hear the threads ripping
And I didn't even have heels on, I was like wearing these silly boots and I felt so embarrassed, but everyone was screaming at me all so nice and all the K-pop fans were there and stuff, so I felt good.
So it was all about positive affirmations, validation, which is what everyone that transitions seems to get.
But the hate, you know, it kind of stopped for a while.
You know, I was used to hate and it kind of stopped and suddenly when I said, look, I've made a mistake, I want to get back to being me, it's been relentless.
It's been the worst it's ever been.
Relentless abuse.
And you know, I can take it, I'm an adult, but I fear for children that are 18, like this Chloe Cole who's detransitioned, the abuse they're suffering, they're already so vulnerable, they've been traumatized from what they've been through, and to then try to detransition and go through that as a teenage, with all those hormones, with all those emotions, it is so stressful.
So when they get hate, I feel so bad for them, and you know, it's a terrible thing, and a lot of the trans activists, they're the ones sending them hate.
Matt Walsh did that, we mentioned this previously.
He did this, he made a statement, monologue, I don't know, whatever you want to call it, where he was like, there is no going too far in the culture where people like Dylan Mulvaney are targeting our children, and that will destroy their lives, and so he's going to be mean.
And I lean towards agreeing with him, but also I have some qualms about it.
I agree in the sense that what we've seen for a long time is non-stop positive affirmation.
If the only thing a kid sees when asking about getting a sex change surgery as a minor, and we've had Kim Petras and Jazz Janning are two examples of individuals who, as minors, got what they call bottom surgery.
The activists try to deny it's happening.
Those are some of the most famous trans people.
The only thing they see when they go online is, it's great, you'll love it, everyone loves you.
Not a single person says, don't do it, it's bad, you'll hurt yourself.
Or if they do, they get banned.
So Matt Walsh comes out and says, we're gonna be mean.
And I think two things.
One, I lean towards him being right because there needs to be a negative social repercussion to engaging in harmful behavior.
We need to tell people who are, like for Dylan Mulvaney in this instance, I think Dylan's a bad person.
They're very dangerous, you know, what they've done on Twitter, TikTok, so people are copying them, they're wanting to become them, because they're seeing the fame, the money, the fortune, the praise, and that's the harm.
And like you said, we've met Welsh, it's a different side of the argument.
Sometimes you have to be blunt, sometimes you have to be brutally honest and say, look, this is harmful, we're mutilating children, in order for people to wake up, because we're seeing many of the mainstream media still do not cover detransitioning.
You know, good luck finding a detransitioner on CNN or MSNBC, never seen one ever.
And you know, they did a couple of stories talking about the harms and questioning gender affirming minors.
You know, just a question.
And as a newspaper, they're meant to do balanced reporting, right?
And they got so much backlash.
They had 30,000 people sign a petition.
They had so many celebrities, including Chelsea Manning, the one, the WikiLeaks one that leaked all the things that was, had a court martial and stuff.
They had all these people The other thing I think about the Matt Walsh circumstances, my fear is, if you create negative pressure, it actually may just push these people further into.
an article and you think that's their job.
Their job is to report what they, you know, who they interview and stuff.
The other thing I think about the Matt Walsh circumstances, my fear is if you create negative pressure, it actually may just push these people further into.
So, you know, if you've got someone who is feeling bad and so they say, I'm going to try transitioning and then all of a sudden they get attacked, they're called gross and ugly, but then they look to their left and they see people saying, you're beautiful, we love you, and if you come here, we'll give you a hug.
That might actually encourage them to do that.
Yeah, at the same time, you know, I just don't know.
I lean towards agreeing with Matt Walsh because I do kind of feel like if a young person, here's the pros and cons, a young person who is confused, scared, and maybe having an identity crisis, if they see nothing but positive affirmation and nothing but positive stories, Then they assume it's a good thing.
But if they approach the subject and they get, and they see the mockery of Dylan Mulvaney, they might think, well, I don't want that.
I don't want people calling me gross, eerie, and ugly.
And then they see the negative stories as well.
They might weigh the pros and the cons of both sides, and it may actually help a lot of kids avoid this.
Right because most of these kids are being sold a dream you know until recently until people started speaking out and fighting against this it was a dream you know we'd see examples of you know Nikita Dragun or Kim Petras you know happy successful people you know they've got great careers they've got millions of followers loads of money and kids think Wow, they're so happy because they transitioned.
So people seem to think that the solution to happiness is transitioning.
A lot of these teens already have very severe depression when they're being diagnosed with gender dysphoria.
So they're thinking this is suddenly like a switch, they're going to be happy one day.
I also felt the same when I used to have surgery, I'd think I'll be happy and I was for two months, three months, I was happy.
So I basically, and it was in front of thousands of people.
It happened to be a Korean film as well.
So there was all the Korean actors and actresses there and stuff.
I didn't even know what film I was going to and I like got out the car and everyone was screaming.
So I was like, it made me feel good.
But I was so nervous because I was sewn into this dress.
Sewn Literally it didn't look good on me and then I had these kind of Chelsea boots on and stuff because I didn't have any heels and I literally felt like the threads ripping and I thought this I'm gonna have a disaster on this red carpet I'm gonna be the worst dress but you know I had the validation everyone was positive everyone was nice positivity online which is what anyone that's you know a boy that puts on their dress goes on TikTok it's all validation.
And it's funny, because I always go to New York Fashion Week, I'm always front row a lot of the shows.
This year, a lot of designers disinvited me.
Well, unfollow me.
All because of my views, and I'm thinking, come on, we can agree to disagree.
Not everyone has to agree in this world.
You know, you can have a friend that's a Democrat or Republican.
What's wrong with that?
But why is there so much division now when, if someone dares to question, like Matt Welsh, dares to question the narrative and say, this is actually harming our children, you're suddenly the bad one.
When I detransitioned and shared that, I got so much backlash or so many brand deals because, you know, I had clothing deals with a lot of brands and they were kind of women's clothes and stuff, hair products.
And I lost so many brand deals and I got canceled by a lot of people.
I've got so many disinvitations to fashion shows.
And, you know, I was even walking the catwalk at some shows as well and not this season.
So, you know, people seem to think, oh, they're transphobic and I'm really not.
I'm very inclusive.
I'm just speaking up, you know, from what I've learned over the last six months is there's a real lot of harm going on with social media, with the pressures, with education system that is teaching kids to change their gender from a young age.
You know, it's harmful and we need to fight back like Matt Walsh is doing good on him for speaking up.
Yeah, so, I mean, when I was asking about how long ago it was that you detransitioned, there is an element of, are you just doing this because it's a path towards, is it a grift?
You found a path towards, look, this thing ran its course, I can't get surgery anymore, I know, if I detransition, then I'll get everybody else to buy my stuff, but when you mention that you're on the red carpet at Cannes, I've lost a lot of stuff.
So, you know, when people say, oh, he's doing it for attention, it's a grift, like people always say, like Jeffree Star now, they're saying it's a grift.
Well, actually, I lost so many brand deals because I was going to all these fashion shows, all these red carpets.
Suddenly that's all stopped, all because people think I'm transphobic and I'm really not.
So, you know, I've kind of lost all of that so that I can help people.
You know, I've got out of that cycle where I was just obsessed with looking a certain way, being a certain way.
I've got out of that so I've given up all of that to try and now use my platform to help people because at the end of the day there's a lot of people suffering and if I can help save one life I'm happy to.
Yeah, and that's what I was doing in Korea, because, you know, you have to look a certain way to be successful.
You know, I was doing K-pop music, I was doing a lot of kind of K-pop videos and stuff, so you have to look a certain way to succeed, and a lot of people in Hollywood, they get the fox eye surgery, which is a tradition You know, it's the kind of the Asian, almost Asian looking eyes, like Megan Fox has clearly got it, Kylie Jenner and stuff.
They all get surgery.
They also get the chin shaving, the jaw shaving, all the Kardashians.
And so it's very normal in order to succeed in this modern society.
So they get, they tend to have very small natural noses.
So they tend to get a silicone implant here to make the nose bridge higher, more pointy and bigger, which is interesting because- To look like Europeans?
Yeah, so to emulate those features, so something they'd see in like a Hollywood magazine or Vogue or something, they also get bigger lips, they have their jaws shaved to a V-shape, and they also have a double eyelid surgery to make their eyes larger, so they look like more Caucasian features.
People don't talk about it like that, though.
Koreans don't talk about surgery.
They always say, oh no, I'm natural, never had anything, but you can see every K-pop star, they look perfect for a reason.
You know, I was talking – there's this big – there's a rumor that goes around that never dies about schools putting litter boxes in their bathrooms for furries and like trans animal or trans species or whatever.
And I don't think it's true.
I think, you know, Joe Rogan talked about it.
He's like, you hear the school, they put a litter box in the bathroom.
And then I'm pretty sure it's not true.
It was a rumor, but it just goes around.
But we are entering this time of, Like just rabid identity crisis where young people don't know what they are.
I feel like a big component of it is, I mean we kind of addressed it, is that adults are just affirming whatever garbage nonsense a kid says.
And it's just like, I kind of feel like, you know, for the people who listen to a show like this, or the people who are more conservative, they get it.
Get your kids out of these schools.
Get them away from these people who are either predators or cultists.
But it does feel like so long as the institutions are captured with this, so long as the mainstream narrative is positive in the direction of identity crisis, it's going to get worse.
We're going to see more self-harm, more suicide, and stranger behavior.
So, Bill Maher was saying, we gotta figure out what's causing this stuff because in California you have an explosion of trans kids and in Ohio you don't.
So, either something we're doing here is making them or something like that.
And the idea he was getting across was it was political.
That California is telling kids to do it, Ohio isn't.
And what the activists will say is, in a space where trans kids are affirmed, they come out.
But in a place like Ohio, where they're not affirmed, they hide it.
So the reality is, oh, the trans kids are everywhere, but only when it's safe do they say this.
And I'm like, well, I think that's actually not true.
I think it's true for the rare occasion where someone is truly gender dysphoric.
And I think social pressures are creating kids who identify as trans because they're being told to.
But then I also wonder if there are things called PCBs.
Poly, do you know, Serge, do you know what PCB stands for?
We, poly, polychloral somethings, I don't know.
There's phthalates and these are like plastic and petrochemicals that are leaching into our food from, I mean, look, we got like, I got some jars of vitamins over there, plastic bottles.
And what is?
Polychlorinated biphenyls, they're just telling us.
So, these things you ingest, and then it disrupts your endocrine system, your hormones.
You've seen that famous Alex Jones, they're turning the frogs gay!
And it's this pesticide that they said was screwing with the endocrine systems of frogs, turning their ovaries into testes, testes into ovaries, making them hermaphroditic and things like that.
And so I wonder if a component of this is actually I went to an antique store.
Let me pause, put a pin in that.
I went to an antique store, and I'm looking, they have a can of soda from the 50s, made of metal.
They've got all of these old containers for food, metal and glass.
And I'm thinking like, how crazy would that be to go pick up a box of cereal, and it's a box.
But then when you gotta get a can of beans, like everything's metal.
Granted, cans are still metal today.
But all of your products, when you would get, like, orange soda, metal, not plastic.
Everything's in metal, or glass.
Today, you know, we end up with everything being made of plastic, and I wonder if, after the 50s, you have all of these adults, they're eating food out of glass and metal, so they're not getting endocrine disruptors.
They give birth to the boomer generation.
I know, I'm going to hear the Silent and the Gen Xers complain because they always get overlooked, but there's a wave of, the Boomers mostly have the Millennials.
So the Boomers start consuming foods in plastic products.
Now you get women.
Who are born in the late 50s, early 60s, who are having children in the 80s, in their early 20s or whatever.
These are millennials, but they're eating out of plastic.
And the plastic is going into the womb, it's going into the men, it's going into their bodies as well.
And the babies are developing with endocrine disruptors in their bodies.
I wonder if a reason we're seeing a rise in trans individuals, it's not just a social factor, but that these chemicals fuck with your hormones.
So then, you know, I hear a lot of people, James Lindsay for instance is a good example, he says, there's no such thing as a trans kid.
And I said, I don't agree with that.
I think there's a lot of bullshit, I think there's a lot of social pressures, but I think we probably are seeing children born of mothers who get all of their food from plastics, have these chemicals in their body that then screw up the brains of the baby in utero, the baby is then born feminized or masculinized, and they're confused and something doesn't make sense.
I think there's a there's a strong likelihood of that.
I don't know, you know, you're not like a chemical environmental activist or anything like that.
Um, no, you know, I wouldn't discount that theory because, you know, who knows?
I think, you know, plastics can be harmful and we see instances of products that get recalled all the time because they might have harmful chemicals in.
Even baby powder like talcum powder, that was recalled at some point because it may cause cancer.
So we do know that these products can cause certain health issues, but obviously these are multi-billion dollar corporations.
They're going to lobby so that you don't hear about that, right?
I mean, look at the way they're treating people in East Palestine at the moment.
That's going to cause a lot of harm.
I mean, look at that water.
That's going to cause a lot of problems down the line.
There were of course, which again I talk about in my book, different instances of trans people throughout history.
So there was the first person that had a sex change was actually in Germany in the 1920s.
So there was several guys that had sex change and they were put on hormones.
There was also an American G.I.
Joe soldier.
That transitioned to a female, I believe, in 1952.
So, you know, we've seen throughout history there are some instances of people like that, but suddenly there are, you know, tens of thousands.
I mean, there's 1.6 million people in the US that identify as trans or non-binary.
That's a really big number.
We didn't have that number in the 90s.
What was the number?
So right now it's 1.6 million people in the US that identify as trans or non-binary and you know years ago we didn't have such a high number and we're seeing these gender clinics you know five years ago they started with you know maybe a thousand patients now they're seeing 5,000 patients and last year gender clinics made 2.2 billion dollars that's projected to rise to 5 billion by 2030.
So we're seeing this sharp increase so there's a variety of factors so I certainly wouldn't discount the theory about the plastic.
Well, the funny thing is, you mentioned these corporations trying to cover this stuff up.
There was a study that said the chemical pesticide atrazine was disrupting frogs.
Alex Jones did a report on it.
And he's very colorful.
So he goes, they're turning the freaking frogs gay!
And we all had a laugh.
But there are a lot of people who saw that and said, Alex Jones is a lunatic.
And it's like, actually, he was telling you the truth.
I mean, granted, the frogs weren't being gay, they were being messed up severely in a bunch of different ways.
But I think since then, they've rescinded that study.
And they said, no, you know what, we were wrong about this.
And I don't buy it for a second.
I think one of the problems we have with this whole debate There's an incentive among companies that profit off of petrochemicals and other, you know, whether it's vinyl chloride in East Palestine or PCBs, phthalates, et cetera, they don't want that to be the issue.
So if it is true that these chemicals are causing at least some of the gender dysphoria, they will make sure the debate is social the entire way.
Because if it, you know, we have asbestos.
We figure out that when you break it up, the fibers get in your lungs, you get mesothelioma.
They're going to avoid that like the plague and the lobby, they're PR people.
I mean, I imagine you'll get a company that manufactures plastic bottles and then it's probably a consortium because a bunch of different companies and some PR person, you know, someone comes up and says, look, we got new studies showing this is causing health problems.
And we know it is.
Whether it is actually causing gender dysphoria or not, so we try very hard here.
We've got glass bottles up there.
You can't avoid plastic entirely, but I try to stay away from it.
But you're going to get these companies, they're going to go to a PR firm and they're going to be like, what can we do to make sure this never becomes the principal issue?
And they will dump money into making sure left and right culture war happens before anyone holds one of these corporations accountable.
I never spoke politically because I always thought, you know, as you know, because I'm online, I'm on TikTok and stuff, it's best to be non-political just because I wouldn't want to alienate people.
But I got to a point last year when I was detransitioning and stuff and I thought, there's so many bad things going on right now.
Like, am I gonna just ignore that and just keep doing silly TikToks, keep doing K-pop and stuff?
Or am I gonna actually address that and try and raise awareness of what's going on?
So, you know, we've all got the platform in life to speak up on issues, and I think the world seems to be going backwards.
And like we're talking about Alex Jones, he's been right about a lot of things that have happened.
You know, he predicted things 15 years ago, 20 years ago.
No, it's funny, because, I mean, six months ago, you're this personality who's getting surgeries to be trans Korean, and now you're like, Alex Jones was right.
Yeah well do you know what I've actually been watching Alex Jones since a teenager I just never I never express my political opinion online because I always thought you know it's most people that are influential celebrities whatever they don't because you alienate half your audience yeah but I just got to a point where I was like you know
I don't know if I can say that word, fuck it, but like, you know, I need to use my platform to do good, you know, stop doing all these silly K-pop videos, actually speak up for what's going on, because at the end of the day, kids, thousands of kids are going through these surgeries right now, thousands of parents are losing access to their kids because of this, and women are losing their rights, so, you know, I should be speaking up, I've got a platform, I should speak up.
Yeah I mean we had some cases recently of people silently praying outside abortion clinics and you know whatever people's opinions of that they weren't you know they weren't screaming and shouting they were silent they were just stood there so that's an issue when it comes to freedom of speech you know we should always protect freedom of speech you know regardless of what people's opinions you know even you know people like Dylan Mulvaney and stuff we do need to think okay this is a society we can agree to disagree or I might not agree with Dylan but it's freedom of speech I've moved a little bit.
These are people who think that even calls for violence, because they're not the act themselves, should be protected.
I don't agree with that.
If you're instructing or advocating for criminal action, I've never been a free speech absolutist, though I'm pretty close.
for doing drugs, you should say drugs should be legal, but to instruct physical harm.
It is difficult because if you say, "Oh, you can't incite a crime," then it's like, "Well, that means you can't advocate for things being made legal." Right.
But I've never been a free speech absolutist, though I'm pretty close.
I moved a little bit in that it was a couple months ago I said, "I will not defend the free speech of people who want to end free speech." And I had, I think most people who watch my show agreed, and they said, like, you know, figuratively, no quarter.
Don't defend people who are destroying.
But I had some people be like, well, then you don't believe in free speech, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, no, I do.
But if someone is setting, like, If someone is setting fire to my home, I'm not going to protect their right to set fires, you know what I mean?
They're actively trying to take away our right to communicate ideas.
They're advocating for censorship from massive corporations.
And then when they get censored, they go, come help me.
And I'm like, dude, you're an arsonist.
And then your house got burned down because of your stupidity, and you expect us to come to your aid.
Insofar as your burning home may set someone else's house on fire, agreed.
Well, it's kind of like these extreme trans activists that I've been facing online and anyone that speaks out against transitioning kids seems to get.
It's like they don't seem to like free speech.
You know, they might not agree with what I'm saying.
They might think, oh, this is a dream.
I want to transition, blah, blah, blah.
But, you know, at the end of the day, everyone's entitled to free speech, but they seem to be against it.
You know, anyone that dares to question it.
That's why I think it is a cult.
It's just like a cult because you have cult leaders, you have people that bring vulnerable people into the cult, they affirm them, they give them validation, and then suddenly, the moment they leave that trans ideology, they are then targeted to personal attacks, harassment, death threats, which is exactly what a cult, you know, like Scientology, that's what they do, exactly.
So, you know, that's the danger.
They don't seem to like free speech, but you know, they're in a free country.
If they don't like it, go to North Korea. - I hear that Scientology is also very litigious.
Very litigious, willing to sue.
It's interesting, there are some prominent people that I know, and even people we've had on the show who are Scientologists, and they don't go nearly as far as the woke cult.
So it's funny because, like, I'm no fan of Scientology, but, you know, like, I don't care, man.
What I see with Scientologists, including people we've had on the show, on Tim Guest's IRL, I'm just like, the only thing, we had one individual who said, I really just don't want to talk about religion and my faith and what I believe.
And I said, okay, I'm not here to drag you over your personal beliefs and things that aren't relevant to the news commentary.
And that was the end of it.
But the woke people are the opposite.
There, we must talk about it, and if you don't, you're a bigot, and if you disagree with me, Antifa will show up.
So not only that, but from a commercial aspect, she creates a cultural Zeitgeist, around Harry Potter, that hits an entire generation, centered, directed to the UK.
So, the US is famous for exporting culture.
We make movies, we make video games, we make TV shows, and everyone in the world wants to watch them.
J.K.
Rowling in the UK does that, and now all of a sudden, everyone in the world wants a UK cultural product, which is great.
I mean, Psy, I think, did it for Korea, bringing that to the rest of the world with Gangnam Style, and Napaul Baji is my favorite song by him, by the way.
He has those big hits, and I was surprised to hear that his song Napal Bhaji wasn't bigger, because I think it's the best one that he's had released, but, you know, he brings that to the mainstream.
J.K.
Rowling generates tons of revenue, cultural revenue, billions, centred in the UK, and when the movies are being made, which are a multi-billion dollar franchise, she says, British actors only, which is tremendous for the economy, for the culture, What she has done is so good, and they tried to destroy her life because she said, and I'll paraphrase here, trans people are valid, we should respect the rights of trans people, we should also respect the rights of women.
And she said only women can menstruate, which is just a simple fact.
You know, maybe Dylan Mulvaney will disagree but, you know, she is an incredible free speech advocate and she is an absolute hero but she's had her life torn apart.
She's had trans activists leak her address, send bomb packages to her home and stuff and you think, why?
Why?
All because she's expressing, she's just sticking up for women.
She hasn't even said anything bad.
She supports trans people, she supports LGBT.
Again, it's a cult.
If you do not agree, you are a monster.
So, you know, that's what detransitioners face every day.
There's a, oh yeah, it's crazy, there's a subreddit, a Reddit forum post if you're not familiar, a Reddit forum with tens of thousands of people telling detransition stories.
Now I don't know how many of those people were trans at some point, but you can read the stories from these people and on any given day you can see a dozen individuals talking about how their life was damaged by this.
To go back to J.K.
Rowling, There was a, you're familiar with VTubers?
I mean, maybe it's a 50-year-old guy using a voice filter, I don't know.
But it's like the VTuber, it's an anime character smiling, being like, I'm just so miserable because they're destroying my life!
But it's kind of eerie to see this person crying, but the VTube character is smiling and happy.
And they said, basically, they did a Twitch stream of Hogwarts Legacy.
And for simply playing a fucking Harry Potter game, trans activists started sending them death threats, harassed them relentlessly, insulted them, started downvoting and disliking all their posts, genuinely trying to cause them mental anguish because they played a Harry Potter video game.
I mean it is insane and you know I've witnessed it first-hand these people are very crazy and they're very insane and they target people and you know that if they're targeting kids that are playing a video game I mean that's bullying that's harassment that could lead to more suicides than no people that say oh you must transition otherwise you'll commit suicide that will lead to more suicide you know bullying people we see cases of people being bullied in schools so you know these people are literally a cult and they're actually they're a hate group Oh yeah, yeah.
I think they should be designated a hate group.
Not all of them, but the more extreme ones that send death threats and bully people online, they're absolutely a hate group.
I think this is the challenge I have with the Matt Walsh being mean thing.
As I said earlier, I agree with him more than disagree, but I'm wondering if, you know, how do you break people out of that cult and I don't think there's a straightforward way to do it.
You can go to them and try and be nice, but if they're getting love bomb validation from the cult, there's no way you're going to compete with that.
So, you know, even being nice to them, it's not going to work.
It's going to just be, they're going to be like, look, if everyone's being nice to me, I better not piss these people off.
Yeah, absolutely, because, you know, if you think these are kids and most of their friends might be in this cult, they might have the same ideology, so then they could lose everything.
They could lose their friends, the attention, the validation, everything.
But, you know, the more we see teenagers being brave and sharing their stories on their transition regret, the more we see people speaking up and educating people about this, I think that's going to change the narrative.
I mean, you know, I started talking about it on TikTok and some of my videos were suspended and banned.
So I actually, you know, on TikTok, I don't do anything political because I always get targeted.
I mean, Listen to this.
Dylan Mulvaney, I can't even search Dylan Mulvaney.
They have gone to TikTok, personally.
They have banned me from even being able to search their name, because if I search their name, it doesn't come up with anyone else's videos posting about them.
If you speak openly and honestly and question a narrative, you are suspended.
And that's why, again, when I talked about detransitioning and stuff, my videos get taken down.
You don't find videos about detransitioning on TikTok because they're either shadow banned or taken down.
So they're silencing that conversation.
And that's dangerous because that's not freedom of speech, right?
If they're promoting Dylan Mulvaney getting millions of views but you're not showing the other side of the story, you're promoting this happy ideal that all trans people are happy and all trans people become famous and make money and stuff.
I don't have a Reddit but I've spoken to a lot of detransitioners personally you know we speak and I'm on like telegram and stuff we speak and there are horror stories how they were in a very vulnerable mental health situation as a teenager and they were told this is the only solution Yeah.
And the parents are told, your child's going to commit suicide if you don't do this.
And because they're in such a bad mental health state, you know, the parents sometimes go along with it to try and make their kid happy, you know, to save their life.
And then a few years down the line, they are so unhappy because the hormones, they have a real effect on the body and the mind.
You know, it really does change everything.
So, you know, and then there's a lot complaining about health problems and it's traumatic.
And then when you see the kind of double mastectomy scars and you think that's, that's awful to do that to someone so young.
I mean, I can't even read or look at some of the things they say sometimes because it is shocking, the amount of health complications and the scarring and the mental health issues.
And you think it's a horror show, it's like a butcher shop, but we are praising this in society that this is okay.
The scariest component isn't the complications to me.
It is, one example is I read a story, and there's a lot of these stories, where it was a male, detransitioned to said, I was in the hospital, In the gown, on the bed, about to be brought into surgery, and I said, with my family around me, this doesn't feel right, I don't think I should do this.
And they said, no, you're brave, everyone gets scared, just do it.
And then they were pressured into it by loved ones who were cheering them on, telling them how brave they were.
And they went on to say that now, due to the complications, they can't walk, they can't run, because they have a gaping wound between their legs that causes them immense pain, infections, smells, and they just lie in bed, not moving anymore.
And I'm just like... That's horrifying.
The horror story to me in that is the people surrounding you saying, do it.
You know, and sometimes these people think they have the best intentions.
Again, like a cult, they think they're doing the right thing, you know, they think they're helping this child.
But yeah, when you have cases like that, when a kid doesn't really want to do it, but everyone else around them is pressuring them, you must do this, this is what you need to do.
That is an awful feeling.
And you know, most young people succumb to peer pressure.
You know, if a group of people tell you to jump off a cliff, If enough people say it, people would do it right.
So they succumb to this pressure and stuff.
And it's the same in a clinic.
Enough people say, chop off your penis, you're going to be a girl.
They'll do it without realizing the long-term health consequences.
Of course kids go along with it if an adult in authority like a teacher tells them something it must be right and that's a great example they don't even know what they're identifying as.
Like another big story is that a lot of millennials are not in relationships.
So outside of trans, outside of abortions, outside of euthanasia, We have this tremendous rise in men under the age of 29 who are virgins and don't have relationships.
There's like this video of this fat leftist woman at a college and she's just I'm screaming in the guys for the one with the glasses, I've seen her, yeah.
Yeah, and then there's the woman, there's Trigglypuff.
Well it does because I mean you look at companies like the New York Times is now backing down and almost saying sorry and you think have a backbone come on guys and they're backing down all because you know a few trans activists are screaming on online and stuff and you think no that's wrong and these people don't know how to communicate and they think the only way to get their way is scream at people shout at people
When you go to a women's protest, women are speaking up for their rights, or a drag story hour protest, the trans activists are screaming, they're spitting, they're throwing things, they're really like angry, and you think the women are just there speaking very softly, the parents are speaking softly, and you think, why so much anger?
Yeah, I think that's causing a lot of mental health issues.
You know, I suddenly felt it when I was in my Korean phase and stuff.
You always want that validation.
You always do.
And sometimes you do crazy things because you, you know, Generation Z and stuff, they're used to validation.
If you don't get it, you must be a failure.
You must be a bad person.
You must be ugly.
So we're constantly seeking other people's approval.
And that's a great example with the YouTube and, you know, a lot of these young people, they don't know how to communicate, they don't know how to express themselves, so they spend all day on social media and then they're screaming and almost putting on their frustration on other people.
A lot of these people are unhappy inside, the way they look, the way they feel, so they take out that anger on other people.
I mean, I look at the trolls that troll me on Twitter, I look at their profile picture and I think, okay, that's why they're a troll, you know, it makes sense now because clearly they're unhappy with themselves, you know, with their 10 different pronouns and all the different flags.
Um, you know, so I can understand that, but I think a lot of it is self-hatred.
And I think for a lot of these people who are involved in either like music or media or any kind of social media space, You need to understand, very few people, let's put it that way, sustain a public presence for a long time.
Yeah, he was Superman in Superman Returns, I think is the name of the movie.
So here's a guy who's like, wow, movie star, alongside Kevin Spacey.
And then he is in Scott Pilgrim.
Now he's on The CW.
Now he's doing DC.
He's not a big movie star anymore.
I don't know.
I think he's a great actor.
I'm not trying to rag on the guy.
But going from the lead in a Superman film to being On a CW superhero show, and I mean this with all due respect, you don't always stay on the top.
You eventually, you come down.
So for these people who get depressed when they're not getting views anymore, they have episodes where they try to figure out how to recapture that, but it's like maybe you're just out of it, maybe you're just not part of it anymore.
It's fine, it's okay.
I imagine it'll happen to me at some point, and you know what I'll do?
Like I said a million times, I'll get in my van and go live down by the river, and then finally get to relax.
Yeah, and I think a lot of people have that, you know, because we're constantly seeking attention online.
As with celebrities and Hollywood and stuff, they always want to stay relevant.
So when someone is irrelevant, they kind of do more desperate and shocking things.
You know, you might see a woman that was once famous now suddenly taking her clothes off walking down the street in a bikini for a paparazzi shoot, just to stay in the headlines, you know.
So she had schizophrenia and she had a meltdown and stuff and then she had all this erratic behavior with the wigs and stuff and if you remember, yeah.
What I think a lot of it is, you're a little kid and everyone in the world tells you you're the best and they love you, you're famous.
You grow up and you're feeling that level of notoriety and that level of Dopamine.
Everyone in the world cheering you on.
Now you're 15.
Half the people in the world.
Starts feeling painful.
You have this career, you win awards, you're on stage.
Now you're 20 years old.
You're not getting any shows anymore.
No one knows who you are.
It's gotta be very, very confusing to have developed your brain and mind in a world where everyone knew you.
You go to the grocery store, hey, you're so-and-so, you're cool, thank you so much.
Now you're 20 and you walk in and you're like, hi, and they go, who are you?
It's gotta feel like something's being ripped out of you.
And that probably, in my opinion, leads to people Throwing bongs out windows, or stripping on Instagram, or getting crazy surgeries.
Shia LaBeouf acting out.
I think these child actors and actresses, not just actors and actresses, but people who are in the limelight at a very young age.
This is why I think Jazz Jennings is, and I try to be careful when I say this, I am very concerned with the well-being of Jazz Jennings.
Because Jazz Jennings is, in my opinion, probably not trans.
I believe that Jazz's parents pressured Jazz into being trans because a three-year-old, in my opinion, cannot know what gender identity is.
But now you have to factor in, Jazz is a celebrity trans person.
And you look at Jazz now, morbidly obese, overeating, Ended up not going to college, I don't know if Jazz went afterwards, but was supposed to go to Harvard, I think it was Harvard, and then didn't.
Started eating tons of food and getting fatter and fatter.
And I think what's gonna happen is when this TV show, I Am Jazz, ends, you are going to have a combination of the gender issue along with the child star breakdown, which results in self-harm.
You see that there's a viral video of a trans woman crying about the painful dilation and, you know, referring to it as a wound, but then says, I don't regret it one bit.
It's just, it's just crazy that it's like, these people are in a position where they have to claim everything's good or else.
And I think, One of the stories about Jazz that I think is revealing is that at like 10 or 12, Jazz was saying that they liked boys.
That Jazz was actually a girl and actually attracted to boys, and that explains it.
And then after about 13 or 14, Jazz came out saying, no, actually I'm pansexual.
What that says to me is, Jazz probably started having feelings for women, because Jazz is biologically male.
Taking hormones and then being like, hmm, but what can you do?
If you come out now and say, actually I was wrong, I never liked guys, I only like girls, well you've got a problem there.
That breaks the narrative.
Now I guess Jazz was at the time dating a guy or something, but when you're a young kid, you don't really know, and so I kind of feel like we may come to the point where The political cult may not let a story like that come out, if it is the case.
But there is a strong possibility, in my opinion, that jazz ends up going the other direction.
And I'm hoping it results in, if it is the case, a detransition into a healthier, happier life.
It's like... I read that testosterone gives you euphoria.
And that these young girls are being put on testosterone and then feeling testosterone euphoria, and so that's affirming them, and it's making it worse.
Because then you have the social problem combined with the chemical reaction.
Yeah, look, drugs can make you feel good, but it's not a good thing.
And also it's a temporary fix, you know, having these hormones and stuff.
The dopamine rush is temporary, right?
You know, that moment you transition, start taking these things, oh, you feel great at the time and stuff, but the moment you come off them, you realize, what have I done to myself?
And then it's already affected your brain, it's already affected your body.
I mean, when kids take hormones, it changes their entire body.
So a girl will develop different muscle mass, Uh, you know, their body will change completely.
They'll even develop an Adam's apple and stuff, and, you know, that can't be good for a kid.
And most of these hormones were originally treated to, um, used to treat cancers.
You know, years ago, these were used to treat cancers, and now they're being used to treat kids transitioning, and there's no long-term data.
Um, yeah, so I think, I mean, definitely not Biden, I think, yeah, either Trump or, I really like DeSantis as well, like, I do like, you know, I think Trump offers solutions and the fact that he was the only one to go to East Palestine and give people hope, you know, he's a politician that actually cares about people.
I would like to get involved in Trump's campaign.
I know a lot of his team and stuff.
I know DeSantis' team and stuff.
I'd like to try and help with this particular issue of gender and with kids because there are a lot of states now waking up, Tennessee, Mississippi, Missouri, that are passing laws to stop these things on children.
And people get called transphobic and stuff, and I want to help change that narrative, because it's not.
It's trying to do what's best for kids and what's best for parents.
Like I said, I support people if they want to be trans as an adult.
That's truly how they felt their whole life, but we shouldn't be putting anything on kids.
So, you know, I think it's going to be Trump or DeSantis for 2024.
I mean, I've been leaning towards Trump because of East Palestine.
I guess the last thing I would say on the if you want to be trans as an adult is I don't think kids should get sex changes.
There is some minor leeway I would give for 16 to 17-year-olds that doesn't involve surgeries, potentially, but probably very, very, very, very, very minimal.
Extreme case-by-case circumstances, because I'm not sure that what they're doing helps anyway, but I don't want to be an absolutist.
But I would say, even for the issue as adults, There's still the question of if you're an 18-year-old male, you decide to get surgery and hormones to be female, what does that mean for female-only spaces?
And we're not just talking about the rights of an individual, we're talking about the rights of all people.
We don't live in a vacuum where your rights supersede the rights of everybody else.
If females want a space for females, why would that be taken away from them because one person decides?
Yeah, and that's what we're seeing, because women are about 50% of the population in most countries, so why should we have, you know, less than 1% of the population telling women what they can and can't do?
Well, trans women are women, so... Exactly, but it doesn't help the trans community when they try to push these things on women and push these things on kids, because it actually turns people against them.
So, you know, I think these trans activists that lobby for men to put on the wig and suddenly identify it and then go into women's toilet, They are causing actual harm to real trans people that might have been trans for 30 years and they now can't live their life because based on the actions of these people and you know when you try to take away the rights of you know 50% of the population it's never going to end well and you know we all need to stick up for women you know people like JK Rowling I think she's a hero for women.
You know, just everyone listening and watching this and stuff, we need to obviously always be conscious about how people identify and feel and stuff.
But we should always kind of speak up for vulnerable people.
So we all have a duty in society to speak up for children.
And also to help parents, you know, because it's a difficult time for a teenager growing up.
They all identify in different ways.
They might be struggling with their sexuality, but medically transitioning kids is not the solution.
So we all need to speak up and use our voices for that.
And I do have my new book, which is on pre-order on Amazon, Barnes & Noble and Simon & Schuster now, The Transitioner Memoir, which details all these issues.
It details Also, how you can overcome your own struggles with self-confidence, with identity, how you can overcome that and become a better person and use your voice to help the wider community.
And for everybody who listened to the first episode of whatever this ends up being, the Culture War with Tim Pool, we're going to be setting up the social media, we're going to be posting clips.
So my ethos, as most of you know, is just start doing it.
And I do things because I feel passionate about them and I enjoy doing them.
So maybe this won't be the biggest show we do, but it was fun.
It's good to have these more open cultural conversations outside of the context of immediate news stories.
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