CSPAN - Washington Journal Alec Tyson Aired: 2026-05-04 Duration: 23:59 === Living Up To The Promise (12:08) === [00:00:00] She talks too much. [00:00:01] She's doing all these things. [00:00:03] It's because I know that we can only get better if we all put our shoulders to the grindstone. [00:00:12] And I'm trying to inspire people to do that. [00:00:15] Well, we can very much see that you're leaving everything on the field. [00:00:19] And we could not be more grateful that you shared this afternoon with us here at Yale. [00:00:24] Thank you. [00:00:24] I'm delighted to be here. [00:00:25] Thank you. [00:00:36] For America's 250th birthday, Ipsos Public Affairs set out to get a sense of how Americans are feeling about the state of the nation right now. [00:00:42] The results of that effort can be found in a new report. [00:00:46] Alec Tyson serves as lead pollster for Ipsos. [00:00:49] Thanks for coming in to talk about it. [00:00:51] Start with that question of when you ask Americans, what does it mean to be an American? [00:00:56] What are they saying in this semi-quincentennial year? [00:00:59] Yeah, it's a great year, and I think it's a really important question, right? [00:01:02] So it's at the top of the list is treating all people equally. [00:01:06] And I found that really interesting. [00:01:07] It's not about a single attitude, a single creed, but just this idea of treating all people equally. [00:01:12] When you ask folks, what's the most important thing to being an American, that's at the very top of the list. [00:01:17] What comes in second, belief in freedom and justice, really the resonance of sort of the founding principles idea of the country. [00:01:23] So those are the top two items when you ask folks in their own words or give them a survey question, what does it mean to be American? [00:01:28] And those are the top two responses. [00:01:30] What demographic in the country is most likely to be thinking about these ideas of what it is to be an American right now? [00:01:38] Well, that's what I liked about our survey is that the founding principles and ideals, our read of the data, is that they continue to have wide resonance with Americans. [00:01:46] So sometimes when you're talking about politics, it's those who are most engaged, who are following it most closely. [00:01:51] They read about it, they always vote. [00:01:53] But in our survey, what we found here, when you get up to 84, 85% of the public expressing a view, that's a signal to me that many Americans are still, these ideas are resonating widely across the country. [00:02:03] So it's not just older folks who are thinking about this being reflective, it's younger folks as well. [00:02:07] I think on many of the items, that's exactly right. [00:02:09] There are some questions that do get, you do start to see these splits. [00:02:14] How closely are you following politics? [00:02:15] How important are your constitutional rights? [00:02:17] There you do start to see some differences where those who are more engaged have different attitudes. [00:02:22] But on these broad principles, do they still resonate today? [00:02:25] We saw that across Americans of all walks of life. [00:02:27] How many people did you talk to for the survey? [00:02:30] When was it in the field? [00:02:31] All the demographic questions. [00:02:32] Yeah, large survey. [00:02:33] So we did over 4,000 interviews for this one because we wanted to look at groups across the country across demographics. [00:02:39] And we fielded this last month. [00:02:40] And we're excited to do it in advance of America's 250th birthday to commemorate the moment and see where Americans stood. [00:02:46] How are you sure that the views of these 4,000 or so individuals are a representative sample of the views of 340 million Americans? [00:02:55] Yeah, it's a great question. [00:02:55] You should always ask questions about surveys, but it's address-based recruitment, which is we know folks around the country. [00:03:02] Everyone has an equal opportunity of selection. [00:03:04] We recruit them by mail, then invite them to take surveys on our panel, and from there they answer the questions that we fielded in this survey here. [00:03:11] And one of those questions was, is the American dream still achievable? [00:03:15] What do people say? [00:03:16] This one I think is really interesting because it's so critical in this country to feel that it's within reach. [00:03:21] And about three quarters of Americans say they've either already achieved it or they're on their way to achieving it. [00:03:26] So that's the good news. [00:03:27] Three and four say they either they have or on their way. [00:03:30] But about one in four say, I don't know if this is in reach for me. [00:03:33] And I think that's really concerning, right? [00:03:35] The idea of prosperity, it's central to this country, whether it's in reach for you or not. [00:03:39] So that one quarter of the public who says, I don't know if this is in reach for me, I think that's of concern here. [00:03:45] What is the American dream? [00:03:46] How do you define it? [00:03:47] Well, it's a great question from a survey perspective because you could give a definition, but the way we approached it is that Americans have a definition in their own mind. [00:03:55] might be a little bit different depending on who you are, how you think about it. [00:03:59] But we just wrote it broadly and say, however you define it, do you feel like you've achieved or on your way to achieving or is it out of reach the American dream? [00:04:08] We're talking about America at 250. [00:04:11] This survey from Ipsos, it's available online. [00:04:14] You can go in and click through it yourself. [00:04:16] We're going to be going through plenty of the slides as we do it with Alec Tyson of Ipsos. [00:04:21] As we do that, we want to hear from you your questions and doing so on phone lines. [00:04:26] As usual, Democrats 202-748-8000. [00:04:29] Republicans 202-748-8001. [00:04:32] Independents 202-748-8002. [00:04:35] Bring it back to the semi-quincentennial. [00:04:38] How often are Americans thinking about the founding documents and going back 250 years in 2026? [00:04:46] Yeah, I thought this was really interesting. [00:04:48] We did want to explore the idea of the founding documents. [00:04:51] So the idea of constitutional rights, that's very relevant, very salient. [00:04:55] Majorities of Americans say they think about their constitutional rights or that they're important. [00:05:00] But there are some generational gaps here. [00:05:01] You mentioned demographic differences. [00:05:03] Younger folks, a little bit less likely to say that the founding documents are relevant to them today. [00:05:08] Older folks, Gen X, baby boomers, and older, they're more likely to say, no, these documents remain relevant in my own life. [00:05:14] So you do see something of a generational split here. [00:05:17] 75% of baby boomers saying they think about the constitutional rights and the founding documents and the relevance of them. [00:05:24] 59% of Gen Xers saying that. [00:05:27] 45% of millennials, just 35% of Gen Z. Any other of those demographic splits where older folks are more reflective right now? [00:05:37] A bit. [00:05:37] And so there's an interesting question here because part of age in politics is just life cycle. [00:05:43] As you get older, you're more likely to vote. [00:05:44] You're more likely to be engaged in your community. [00:05:46] So what's the interesting question here is how much of what we're seeing in a divide like that that you just read is that will Gen Z and millennials, will they become more resonant in the founding documents as they age? [00:05:57] Or is this going to be a difference where there's just a, we call it a cohort difference, where folks just have a different attitude than another generation that came before them. [00:06:05] What about instead of looking back, looking forward, who's most optimistic right now at America's 250th birthday? [00:06:11] The way I like to put this is there's optimism alongside pessimism. [00:06:16] So we asked this question, how often do you feel hopeful about the country's future? [00:06:19] And about a majority of Americans say that, 67%. [00:06:22] We ask a parallel question, how often do you have serious doubts about the country's future? [00:06:26] And about a little bit more, 70-some-odd percent say that. [00:06:29] 77%. [00:06:30] 77%, thank you. [00:06:32] So I think that's really interesting because both can exist alongside one another. [00:06:36] You can have optimism for the future and also some concerns about the future. [00:06:39] And it does feel in many ways that we're at a pivotal moment as a country. [00:06:42] Do Americans feel like they need to be more involved right now because of the times we're in, because of the issues we're facing, or because of the anniversary we're celebrating? [00:06:54] I really like that question because it allows us to speak to one of the really important parts of this survey is as much as the founding ideals continue to resonate, two-thirds of Americans say there's much more for the country to do to live up to its founding promise. [00:07:07] And then to your question, about that same share of Americans say, I'd be willing to do more, I'd be open to more opportunities to help. [00:07:14] So it's not all Americans, but it's a pretty sizable share who say, listen, I'd be willing to do more to help the country. [00:07:20] It comes back to that question of how do you define the American dream. [00:07:23] How do you define America's founding promise? [00:07:26] What is that? [00:07:27] Well, I think what folks say in the survey, it's economic opportunity, it's democratic values, it's treating people equally. [00:07:33] Those were the notes that really resonated in the survey. [00:07:36] And so that's how I think Americans define the country today. [00:07:39] And we are six months and one day from Election Day 2026. [00:07:44] What are Americans saying about their elected officials or the election coming up? [00:07:49] Well, they're not thrilled with their level of representation. [00:07:52] That's been a trend we've seen for many years, regardless of who's in power. [00:07:56] You know, we've seen this decline in trust in government over the past 10 or 20 years. [00:08:00] So you ask folks, do you feel that folks in Washington and elected representatives care about people like you? [00:08:06] Pretty modest share say yes, only about one in three. [00:08:08] It's about two in three who say really the opposite, and I'm not feeling great about the level of representation that I'm getting in Washington. [00:08:15] Ipsos.com is where you can go to find this survey that we've been walking through. [00:08:19] Alec Tyson is with us, a lead pollster at Ipsos, and was involved in this survey. [00:08:24] The name of the survey, Enduring Values, Evolving Identity, came out just last month, just a couple weeks ago, and we're going through it this morning on the Washington Journal. [00:08:34] And as we do, we really want to hear from you. [00:08:37] Did any of those questions that we brought up resonate with you? [00:08:40] How would you respond? [00:08:41] Phone lines, Democrats, 202-748-8000. [00:08:44] Republicans, 202-748-8001. [00:08:47] Independents, 202-748-8002. [00:08:51] And folks calling in already, we'll get to a few of them. [00:08:54] Herndon, Virginia, Mary Ann, Republican. [00:08:58] What did you think about some of those survey results we talked about? [00:09:02] Hi, good morning. [00:09:04] Well, I think the survey is really quite interesting. [00:09:07] I do have a couple of questions for your guest. [00:09:12] I'm curious to know whether or not he asked for the sample's political affiliation or whether or not they felt it was relevant. [00:09:20] And the other question I have, was this a survey open to everybody or did you require U.S. citizenship and if they were U.S.-born or naturalized citizens? [00:09:32] I'm just curious. [00:09:33] No, very interesting question about survey methods there. [00:09:35] And at the end of our surveys, we do ask about how you lean politically. [00:09:38] And you can say independent or that you don't align with either major party, but we do collect that information so we can analyze our results by that information. [00:09:47] And then we don't ask about citizenship in our survey, but if you're a resident of the United States and you were invited to participate in the survey, that's the pool of all U.S. adults who could have been included in the survey. [00:09:58] How do you make sure you didn't accidentally interview just 4,000 Republicans or 4,000 Democrats? [00:10:03] Well, exactly right. [00:10:04] This is actually a great benefit of the Knowledge Panel, our primary data collection tool at Ipsos, is we have that information when we recruit them and invite them to be part of our panel, they give us some basic information about themselves, and so that's a way we can help ensure that we get a balance of folks in our surveys. [00:10:18] Another question from the survey in the graphic is helpful to view as we go through this. [00:10:23] Who's responsible for bringing the country together? [00:10:27] It's seen as a bit of a shared responsibility, though 71% of respondents to the survey said the President of the United States is responsible for helping bring the country together. [00:10:37] 62% say it's members of Congress. [00:10:39] 62% also saying state elected officials. [00:10:42] By the way, you could have more than one answer to this question. [00:10:44] That's why the numbers add up to more than 100. [00:10:46] 58% saying it's just ordinary Americans who have this responsibility. [00:10:51] And then some other interesting ones. [00:10:53] 32% saying technology companies are responsible for bringing the country together. [00:10:58] 39% saying religious organizations. [00:11:01] 45% saying news organizations. [00:11:04] 49% saying law enforcement. [00:11:06] 50% saying local community groups. [00:11:09] Anything surprising in those results for you? [00:11:11] I liked it because it's almost an all of the above, right? [00:11:13] Who's responsible for greater unity of the country? [00:11:16] Absolutely. [00:11:16] National political leaders, but also ordinary Americans, also leaders in the community like law enforcement. [00:11:21] So that's actually one of my favorite questions because it points to sort of a collective responsibility for greater unity. [00:11:27] Do you have all these questions that you've asked in previous surveys that you can kind of compare the results to? [00:11:35] You know, 10 years ago or 20 years ago, would we have gotten the same responses on whose responsibility it is to bring the country together? [00:11:42] It's a great question. [00:11:43] I wish we had trends on more of these items. [00:11:45] Often we do have trends in survey research, but we tried to write this survey almost from scratch for this occasion to celebrate or commemorate America's 250th. [00:11:53] So in this instance, some of these questions are new. [00:11:55] I look forward to asking them in five years or 10 years or maybe even 50 years from now. [00:11:59] Give me another new question for this one. [00:12:01] Well, let's see. [00:12:04] This is a really interesting question, and it's perhaps a note of concern. === Need An Independent Party (03:17) === [00:12:08] But a new question we asked is: do you think other Americans would be willing to put the country's interests ahead of their own interests? [00:12:16] And I'm not even sure if it's in the slide deck we have today, but two-thirds of Americans say they're not sure other Americans would put the country before their own interests. [00:12:25] I found that quite notable and a bit concerning, right? [00:12:28] If you ask an individual, would you be willing to do more? [00:12:30] They say, yes, I would be willing to do more. [00:12:32] But if you ask folks about other members of the country, would other people in the country put the country first? [00:12:37] They're not so sure. [00:12:38] So that was a new question. [00:12:39] And I found those data quite interesting. [00:12:44] And there's the slide for you. [00:12:47] 57% saying that they're not sure, and 40% saying that they are sure. [00:12:52] We're showing it to our people. [00:12:53] Great. [00:12:53] Terrific. [00:12:53] Terrific. [00:12:54] Barry, Hammed in Connecticut. [00:12:55] Democrat, go ahead. [00:12:58] Yeah. [00:12:59] Why is it that every time this American Dream thing comes up, I always feel like it's always about material things like, you know, having a house and, you know, et cetera. [00:13:10] It's just about freedom. [00:13:11] And in the first one or two, in whatever three, you know, the Bill of Rights, they're really great, but here's what I think we need. [00:13:18] And tell me what you think. [00:13:20] We need a constitutional convention. [00:13:22] I know that's pie in the sky, but it's really got to go through with a fine-toothed comb. [00:13:27] And basically, money is not speech. [00:13:30] Money is the most unequal thing there is. [00:13:33] I believe we need a strong independent party. [00:13:36] We need term limits. [00:13:37] Get the money out of politics. [00:13:39] You know, everybody could agree with stuff like that. [00:13:42] We need a party like an independent party that is a moderate party, that are people like us in the middle. [00:13:50] We believe in this, this, and this. [00:13:51] I can go on, but that's too long. [00:13:53] You know, because the Republicans are more upper class and the Democrats are more cultural issues of gender, et cetera, et cetera. [00:14:02] The state of the country, to me, is about freedom. [00:14:06] And I have freedom. [00:14:08] I could go to A to B. I'm fortunate I have money. [00:14:11] I'm lucky. [00:14:11] A lot of people aren't. [00:14:13] So it's very hard for a lot of people. [00:14:16] And it's not for me as much. [00:14:19] So, Barry, would you say that you have achieved the American dream? [00:14:24] Well, I don't know what it means. [00:14:26] Freedom. [00:14:26] Yeah, I'm free. [00:14:27] Basically, I'm a free person. [00:14:29] I could come go, I could say what I want. [00:14:32] I could write, I could call in. [00:14:34] You know, I have a lot of freedom, yes. [00:14:38] But a lot of people don't. [00:14:41] And I feel like, you know, it's a bother when people call into you and things like that are really hurting. [00:14:47] And I hate that. [00:14:49] You know, nobody should struggle. [00:14:51] They always say this is the richest country in the world, this and this. [00:14:55] You know, I could go on and on. [00:14:57] You know what I mean? [00:14:58] It's just, we need an independent party. [00:15:00] Barry, thanks for the call. [00:15:02] From Connecticut, 34% of Americans, like Barry, say in response to your survey that they have achieved the American dream. [00:15:10] Another 39% saying that they're on their way to achieving the American dream. [00:15:15] And then 23% saying that the American dream, it's out of reach for them. [00:15:19] Yeah, part of what I heard in the caller's comments was this idea of prosperity. [00:15:23] And we actually asked a question. [00:15:25] It's a personal question. === Defining Happiness And Success (03:32) === [00:15:26] What defines happiness and success for you? [00:15:29] The top response, family. [00:15:31] The second response, having enough money to live your lifestyle or support your lifestyle. [00:15:36] So absolutely, prosperity is something that's central both to the American dream, but also to what folks say makes them happy in their own life. [00:15:43] Families first, but closely followed by just the ability to support your lifestyle or prosper. [00:15:48] Sixth on that list of what defines happiness or success is religious or spiritual life. [00:15:56] Has that number fallen in the time that you've been asking that question? [00:16:00] Well, it's interesting. [00:16:01] So we know in this country that it remains a very religious country. [00:16:04] About nine in ten believe in some higher power, God, or higher power belief. [00:16:08] But we also know that affiliation with religion has fallen over time. [00:16:12] So I thought that was very interesting because the founding language of one nation under God, belief in God, about half of folks say that this is essential or really important, both to what it means to be American or to your own success. [00:16:23] But another half of Americans say, for me, not so much. [00:16:26] So you see about a split here on that question. [00:16:29] What about this one? [00:16:30] 34% of respondents saying the success of political leaders that they support defines happiness. [00:16:37] Yeah, so that's interesting. [00:16:39] You can read it two ways. [00:16:40] On the one hand, it's less than half, right? [00:16:41] But for a third of Americans, the political leaders. [00:16:44] They're not happy unless their party's winning. [00:16:46] Well, in as many words, I think that's true for some. [00:16:48] Now, it's true for 34% or so. [00:16:51] Maybe two-thirds it's not so true for, but even that 34% is quite a meaningful share of the country who really think politics shapes their outlook in life. [00:16:58] Alec Tyson with us of Ipsos. [00:17:00] Again, ipsos.com is where you can go. [00:17:02] We're showing you some of these charts, but you should go through it for yourself and see what stands out to you. [00:17:08] Enduring values, evolving identity is the name of this survey coming out timed with America's semi-quincentennial this year. [00:17:16] This is Bob in Texas, Independent. [00:17:19] Go ahead. [00:17:20] Yes, I'm talking about the Declaration. [00:17:22] There's one sentence in U.S. law that is more important than the sum total of millions of sentences that follow it. [00:17:32] Unless we know what our founders learned 11 years before they declared independence, we will forever remain divided. [00:17:42] And that answer there is l-o-nang.com. [00:17:48] And then you can add a slash blackstone after longe.com. [00:17:54] So, Bob, I guess I'm not following you. [00:17:57] So, what is it that we need to know about our founders? [00:18:02] We need to know what they united under when they declared independence. [00:18:08] And what do you think they were uniting under? [00:18:11] I know what they were united under, and that's in the first sentence: laws of nature and of nature's God. [00:18:19] And what they learned from Sir William Blackstone is that no human laws should be suffered to contradict these. [00:18:28] And that can be found at a link, lonang.com slash blackstone. [00:18:37] That's Bob in Texas. [00:18:38] You can also go to the National Archives, archives.gov, if you want to read the Declaration of Independence in its entirety. [00:18:47] It's very easy to find, and it's one of their most searched pages. [00:18:53] You can read the entire Declaration in Congress July 4th, 1776. === Respecting Election Results (03:49) === [00:18:58] Rick in Boston, Democrat, go ahead. [00:19:02] Make a couple of comments about the American way. [00:19:06] I mean, you look at how voting is run in this country. [00:19:09] You got people who've been running this place. [00:19:13] I'm 77 years old. [00:19:14] You know, Republican, Democrat. [00:19:16] It doesn't matter. [00:19:17] But the thing is that everything's supposed to be equal. [00:19:20] You know what I'm saying? [00:19:20] You run for an office one. [00:19:22] You win. [00:19:23] Like, for example, this Donald Trump. [00:19:25] He comes in out of all these years. [00:19:27] We never hear nobody complain about mother damn voting. [00:19:30] You know what I'm saying? [00:19:31] Oh, this is big, this big, this big. [00:19:33] And honestly, then when he loses, he's when he loses anybody. [00:19:36] It's rigged, it's big. [00:19:37] And he got enough of these stupid people out there voting for this clown here. [00:19:40] He's taking over the country. [00:19:42] He's trying to turn in the country. [00:19:43] I mean, he's trying to turn the whole country into America, to a white America. [00:19:46] He don't want no national immigrants in here at all. [00:19:49] Got your point. [00:19:50] That's Rick in Boston. [00:19:51] What else do we find out about voting? [00:19:52] Well, that's an interesting note in the caller's comment: one thing we asked folks about is: what about respecting election results? [00:19:59] Whether your candidate won or lost, how do you feel about respecting the results of election? [00:20:03] In a very large majority, 85%, almost 90%, said that, listen, it's really important to respect the results of an election and whether or not your preferred candidate won or not. [00:20:12] So I found that very resonant, you know, very intense times with our elections and in politics. [00:20:16] But you ask Americans, is it important to respect the results of elections? [00:20:19] And they say, absolutely. [00:20:21] But more of the good with the bad or the bad with the good? [00:20:25] 32% of Americans, just 32%, agree that elected officials care what people like me think. [00:20:31] Yeah, I think that's a real concern for Americans. [00:20:33] The sensor, the quality of the representation that they feel they have. [00:20:37] Right now, it's not very high. [00:20:38] They don't have a sense that elected officials care what they think on a day-to-day basis or that necessarily they all understand the challenges they're facing in their own life. [00:20:46] If people do go online and click through this, there's quotes throughout the survey that you've added from various people, and you've asked them for their wish for America on America's 250th birthday, their birthday wish. [00:21:02] Explain why you did that. [00:21:04] Well, it's so powerful sometimes to hear folks in their own words, right? [00:21:07] And it is America's birthday, 250th birthday. [00:21:10] And so, if you had one wish, I think it'd be a good one for the callers to reflect on. [00:21:13] If you had one wish for the country at 250, what would it be? [00:21:16] Very powerful responses to hear people in their own words. [00:21:19] So, often when you write a survey question, we design the response options, but in this case, it was just an open end, meaning that they could say whatever they like. [00:21:26] So, I enjoyed reading those, and I think one of the most powerful responses or themes that we got was a call for greater unity in our political and civic life. [00:21:34] Very powerful, and I thought that was the top response and quite a thoughtful one. [00:21:38] Greater unity in government, no politics, no grandstanding, just doing the most for the people. [00:21:42] One of those birthday wishes, allowing people to say whatever they like is kind of what we do here. [00:21:48] So, we'd love to hear your response. [00:21:50] We've got about another 20 minutes or so with Alec Tyson of Ipsos. [00:21:54] So, give me the wording of the question. [00:21:56] Well, it was just that. [00:21:58] On America's 250th birthday, what would be your one wish for the country? [00:22:01] Go ahead and call in with that, and also with your thoughts on this survey from Ipsos. [00:22:06] Alec Tyson with us, it's ipsos.com is where you can go. [00:22:11] Simeon, in Rapid City, South Dakota, Republican. [00:22:15] Go ahead. [00:22:18] Well, I didn't say Republican, Independent, because I'm a real patriot. [00:22:24] I don't pick a side and vote based off of one side or what the other sides think because there isn't any sides. [00:22:32] There's one party, and it's called the Uni Party. [00:22:35] I've been listening to the C-SPAN game for about 10 years now, and I've noticed that the channel goes whichever way they're told. [00:22:44] So, if that's the America now that we're going to reside in. === One Wish For America (01:11) === [00:22:47] Told by who, Simeon? [00:22:50] Told by who? [00:22:51] Oh, you're told by those people in that big white building behind you. [00:22:56] So, if you're in America, sure, that there's other capitals around the world, also, not just in America that now run this country. [00:23:06] So, if that's this America that we're going to live in, where money printing and lawfare and favoritism and contracts rule rude the roost, well, then that's exactly what you're going to get: a record low approval numbers, record low confidence, record low morale in this country, just in time for your big birthday bash. [00:23:34] So remember, remember, voting has consequences, and messing with the votes have even more dire consequences. [00:23:44] Enjoy your America. [00:23:49] Simeon, in South Dakota, are we at record low morale in this country? [00:23:53] Well, it's hard to say when you think about how to define that. [00:23:56] Are we at a moment of low trust in government? [00:23:58] Absolutely. [00:23:58] Is there a sense that the quality