C-SPAN’s Washington Journal Open Phones dives into Minnesota’s clash over ICE enforcement, where Governor Tim Walz demands removal of 3,000 agents after Alex Predty’s fatal shooting during Operation Metro Surge, calling Trump’s policies "irresponsible" amid subpoenas for state leaders. FBI Director Kash Patel claims Predty posed a violent threat with a loaded gun, but conflicting footage—including CNN’s challenge to CBP Commander Greg Bavino—suggests he may have been recording. Callers debate ICE’s tactics, voter roll demands, and whether Predty’s death reflects federal overreach or justified enforcement, exposing deep divides over immigration, protests, and accountability ahead of the 2026 elections. [Automatically generated summary]
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State and local officials in Minnesota are continuing their calls for federal immigration agents to withdraw from the state following the second fatal shooting there and ongoing community pushback against the actions of immigration and customs enforcement.
This morning, we want to hear your thoughts on whether the federal immigration crackdown is making cities safer or less safe.
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Now, for the latest on what's been happening in Minnesota, here's an article from the Minnesota Star Tribune.
Minnesota is in uncharted territory as state feds clash over the shooting of Alex Predi.
State leaders successfully sued the Trump administration to force it to preserve evidence in the fatal shooting of Alex Predi.
The story going on to say that the killing of a Minneapolis man by federal agents is escalating a standoff between state and federal officials over the Trump administration's massive deportation operation in Minnesota, prompting tense and urgent debates over federal jurisdiction and the rule of law.
In the wake of Alex Predty's killing on Saturday, Minnesota leaders sounded alarms about federal agents violating Minnesota law while they carry out Operation Metro Surge.
A federal judge ordered Trump administration officials not to destroy evidence related to the shooting after the Hennepin County Attorney's Office and the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension filed a lawsuit to preserve crime scene materials.
Here's Minnesota Governor Tim Wall speaking yesterday about the ongoing conflict.
If it was the intention of Donald Trump to make an example of Minnesota, then I'm damn proud of the example that the world's seeing.
We believe in law and order in this state.
We believe in peace.
And we believe that Donald Trump needs to pull these 3,000 untrained agents out of Minnesota before they kill another person.
And we're up here telling another story of a Minnesotan just trying to live their life without the interference.
To Americans who are watching this right now, and I don't know, maybe you're watching it with curiosity, bewilderment, horror, scorn, or sympathy, I've got a question for all of you.
What side do you want to be on?
The side of an all-powerful federal government that can kill, injure, menace, and kidnap its citizens off the streets?
Or on the side of a nurse at the VA hospital who died bearing witness to such government?
Or the side of a mother whose last words were, I'm not mad at you.
The side of tens of thousands of peaceful citizens who showed up to march when the windshield was 40 below because they love this state and they love this country.
You're allowed to decide at any point that you're not with this anymore.
If you voted for this administration, heck, even if you thought Operation Metro Surge was a good idea, sounded like the thing to do a month ago, you're still allowed to look at what's happening here in Minnesota and say, this isn't what I voted for and this isn't what I want.
I ask you not to stand by idly, speak out, share what you're seeing, and urge others to put politics aside.
We're no longer having a political debate, we're having a moral debate.
Now, prior to the shooting of Alex Predty, there was some polling on how Americans think about these immigration enforcement actions and whether or not they make cities more or less safe.
Half of Americans, according to a CNN poll, think ICE is making U.S. cities less safe.
51% say that it's making cities less safe.
31% say it's making cities more safe.
And 18% say that it has no impact at all.
Now, then, FBI Director Kash Patel was on Fox News yesterday responding to this latest fatal shooting at the hands of federal agents.
Here's what he had to say: You do not get to attack law enforcement officials in this country without any repercussions.
You do not get to do that in Minnesota, LA, or anywhere else.
And the interagency is leading the charge out there.
We've already arrested with the interagency those that violated the FACE Act and impeded a peaceful prayer in church.
We've already just last night arrested four more individuals involved in the damage of government property that we saw the videos of online.
We've arrested other individuals who've made threats to law enforcement online.
So we are not messing around.
It doesn't have to be in person.
If you threaten law enforcement officials or civilians, we are going to come find you.
And as for this latest shooting, yes, DHS and HSI are the lead, and the FBI is processing the physical evidence, so we're in possession of the firearm, which is going to go to our laboratory.
But as Secretary Nom said, no one who wants to be peaceful shows up at a protest with a firearm that is loaded with two full magazines.
That is not a peaceful protest, and you do not get to touch law enforcement.
You do that anywhere.
This FBI is going to be following the charge to arrest those.
Now, groups, including the NRA as well as gun owners of America, have pushed back against those statements by the FBI director.
Meanwhile, there's an exclusive in the Wall Street Journal this morning, an exclusive interview with the president, where Trump says the administration is reviewing everything about the Minneapolis shooting.
In an interview, the president says immigration enforcement officers will at some point leave the area.
This article going on to say: President Trump declined to say whether the federal officer who fatally shot a man in Minnesota this weekend had acted appropriately and said the administration was reviewing the incident.
In a five-minute telephone interview with the Wall Street Journal on Sunday, Trump didn't directly answer when asked twice whether the officer who shot Alex Predty had done the right thing.
Pressed further, the president said, We're looking, we're reviewing everything, and we'll come out with the determination.
Administration officials have publicly defended the officer.
The president criticized Predty, the 37-year-old who was killed by a federal border patrol agent Saturday morning on a Minneapolis street for carrying a gun during protest activity.
Again, our question this morning is whether you think federal immigration crack, the federal immigration crackdown, is making cities safer or less safe.
We'll start with William in West Virginia on our line for Republicans.
Good morning, William.
Go ahead, William.
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Okay, thank you.
You know, I've kind of got a mixed feelings with it.
I don't really don't think anybody, you know, celebrates anybody losing their life.
But I think it's failed leadership.
I really think that's what it boils down to.
The rhetoric is just extremely high.
And I think the data probably does show that, you know, the streets are safer.
But with the rhetoric, with laws, fraud, and the Attorney General, I mean, they are just blowing it up.
I mean, they should be helping ICE out.
They should be blocking streets off.
I mean, just for example, if I'm driving down the road in West Virginia, that's where I'm from, and I see a young lady I know that's pulled over.
If I stop, especially armed, if I stop and start harassing the officer, I'm going to die.
I know that.
I know gun safety laws.
You know, we have classes when we're in eighth grade here.
You know, a lot of us know that prior to that.
So, you know, it's a shame, but I think if you had some assistance from the, you know, the state and local governments, you know, we wouldn't be having this situation.
We'd be talking about the fraud, you know, in their state and not killings.
You had a lady on yesterday from LA, and she was spot on.
Everything she said, you know, was spot on about the data and how young black men are getting swallowed up by the immigrants.
You know, and so William, you mentioned everybody's.
This individual showed up to an law enforcement operation with a weapon and dozens of rounds of ammunition.
He wasn't there to peacefully protest.
He was there to perpetuate violence.
And he was asked to show up and to continue to resist by a governor who's irresponsible and has a long history of corruption and lying.
And we won't stand for it anymore.
These law enforcement officers take an oath.
They get up every single day and they go out to protect the public.
Many of these individuals live in their communities.
And this mayor and this governor have doxxed them.
They have allowed people to threaten them and their families and expose their identities in order to instill fear and violence.
And that's not what America is about.
We're going to continue to tell the truth about Minnesota, Minneapolis, what happened here, the theft over the last many years that these leaders have facilitated.
And we're going to continue to do our work to get to the bottom of the investigations.
And the one question you should be asking is the mayor, the governor, and the attorney general have all confirmed that they have been subpoenaed to come in front of a criminal federal grand jury.
So they are covering up and are being a part of a system where they are going to be brought to justice for anything that they had to do with this investigation.
They have confirmed they've been subpoenaed, and they will be in front of a grand jury to get that criminal investigation unfolding and to disclose the kind of fraud that they have allowed to happen.
The president's speech in Europe, and this is about immigration, that was the most racist speech by a world leader since Hitler, slamming Europe for becoming more diverse and less white.
His words, not my opinion, that was his words in his speech.
You know, on the Statue of Liberty, it says, Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free, wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
So, Rob, excuse me, Rob, I just want to make sure that I give folks some context for what you mentioned at the top of your comment about the president's statements at Davos.
This is a summary and an opinion piece in The Guardian, but it does include, I believe, the quote that you're referencing where the president in 2024 complained that we have a lot of bad genes in our country right now.
But in this particular comment from in certain places in Europe that are not even recognizable anymore, blaming culprits that included unchecked mass migration, it's horrible what they're doing to themselves.
They're destroying themselves, these beautiful places.
We want strong allies, not weakened ones.
He talked about Minnesota, and he said, the situation in Minnesota reminds us that the West cannot mass import foreign cultures which have failed to ever build a successful society of their own.
And there he was talking about Somalia, which he called a failed, not, it's not a nation, got no government, got no police, got nothing, although Somalia does have all of those things.
But those were some of the sections of the speech that I believe our caller was referencing.
Alan is in Stanley, Virginia, on our line for independence.
Good morning, Alan.
unidentified
Thanks for taking my call.
Yeah, I'd like to put things in context.
You know, let's go back to 2020.
Biden brought 22 million illegals in our country, just dumped it on the country.
What do we expect?
Now, Trump is trying to clean that mess up.
And I notice everybody's saying, immigrants.
I support legal immigration.
Everybody does.
We're talking about illegal criminals, paid protesters who claim to protest, who's there to agitate.
We have a federal law.
We have a state law.
You have a governor in Minnesota.
I mean, he's another agitator.
He's behind it.
He and his whole clan are.
And I mean, it's very, very sad, you know.
And I feel it's sad to see.
But, you know, what are we going to do?
Are we going to have a lawless society?
Are we going to comply with federal law?
Are we not going to have a country?
So the people calling in here, the gentleman from Indiana, you know, he has a few things backwards, but that's okay.
But the point is, We need immigration, but we need legal immigration from people who're going to assimilate in our country and comply with our laws.
That's not happening.
We have a governor there who's defying everything the federal government says.
Christian Nolan is exactly right.
And people need to stand up, and this stuff needs to be shut down, and I mean now, because American people deserve better.
But people need to tell the truth.
But I want to emphasize one last point.
We're talking about illegal immigration criminals, paid protesters by George Soros and all this clan.
And then we get on and beat up the people that's doing their job every day.
No one's talking about the agent that got his ear bit off or his singer bit off.
First of all, I am so sick and tired of what's going on with ICE agents.
They're more like Gestapo.
Here it is, a couple of weeks ago, either pepper sprayed or gas sprayed a car with a family in it coming back from a school activity where the six-month-old baby had to be taken to the hospital because the baby couldn't breathe.
Or the people outside of the car assisting the family inside the car to get out.
ICE didn't have anything to do with it.
They gassed him up, but they wouldn't take him out.
So ICE needs to be abolished, as far as I'm concerned.
They're not helping.
They're supposed to be going after people who are gangbangers and so forth and so on.
I'm going to ask you a question.
Have you heard of ICE having any shootouts with anybody?
Because they're not going to go up on the group of gangbangers and think that they're not going to get shot back.
They're going after people going to church, to school, to work, and so forth.
I have not heard of one incident where somebody actually fired back at them.
That's because they're not going after the worst.
They're not.
And as far as them going after people who should not be in this country, they're going to court and taking people out of, they're trying to either go in and do what they need to do, or they're coming out from trying to do what they've already needed to do.
You need to think, let's reserve and let's let an investigation take place and see what really happens.
And if ICE was in the wrong, yes, they should be held accountable.
But none of this would happen if you weren't resisting ICE.
And if people are getting caught up that are here and they're trying to assimilate and they're trying to work because the local police are told if they have a criminal in custody, ICE cannot go and get them.
But while we have the topic, well, Cindy was calling in from Connecticut.
We have a piece of tape I'll play in just a moment from Democratic Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut.
But he's responding to the story highlighted here.
Pam Bondi offers to pull ICE out of Minneapolis if voter files are handed over.
It says U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi sent a letter to Minnesota Democratic Governor Tim Walz demanding the state take three specific actions before federal immigration agents would consider reducing their presence in Minneapolis, including handing over voter rolls.
In the letter, Bondi blamed both state and local leaders for the unrest that has come in response to the Trump administration's immigration enforcement operations.
She said that Walls could restore the rule of law.
The letter comes after a Border Patrol agent shot and killed Alex Jeffrey Predty, a 37-year-old ICU nurse during a federal immigration enforcement operation.
And as I mentioned, Democratic Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut was reacting to Attorney General Bondi's demands to get ICE agents out of Minnesota by handing over voter rolls.
But Donald Trump has made it clear that he intends to try to interfere in the upcoming 2026 election.
He says that his one regret from 2020 was that he didn't take the voting machines.
And it is really alarming that in this letter, Bondi says, well, we'll get the ICE officers out of Minneapolis if you give us control of your voter lists.
It has always been, I think, the fear, and now I think closer to the reality, that the Trump administration is creating this mayhem, particularly in cities in swing states, in order to take control of the election, to say, oh, the city's out of control.
The state's out of control.
You can't trust the state government.
We just need to run the election in November.
I know to some people that may sound a little conspiratorial, but Trump has told you over and over again that he regrets that he didn't interfere in the prior election.
And this letter seems pretty definitive proof that they are trying to trade the presence of ICE and the murder and mayhem that they are causing for control of Minnesota's elections.
Robert is in Barnwell, South Carolina on our line for Democrats.
Good morning, Robert.
unidentified
Good morning.
Thank you for taking my call.
I hear all of these people call in and talk about reading a book about history.
Well, I'm a 73-year-old man.
I've done 20 years in this United States Army.
My mama gave three sons to the Vietnam War.
Me, my brother, who is dead now, and my other brother, who died over there for a man who refused to go five times.
Now, they shoot a veteran, a nurse who was helping the VA veterans.
And I can't even get the VA to take care of me.
So they just took out a person who was helping veterans.
So when these people come on here and talk about veterans, don't thank me for my service.
Prove it.
Prove it.
And the gentleman, I like to just say this: the gentleman that called in and said, oh, if I was driving down the state of West Virginia and I saw a state trooper with a car pull over, I got out and said something, I asked him this: if he saw a state trooper with someone pull over with a mask on, would he keep on going?
And if he said he would, I wouldn't want him in my space anyway.
And another thing, I would not want him to be with me in any combat situation there is.
Robert, I want to read the statement that came from the Predi family that specifically references Alex Predi's work with the VA hospital.
The families issued a statement saying, We are heartbroken, but also very angry.
Alex was a kind-hearted soul who cared deeply for his family and friends, and also the American veterans whom he cared for as an ICU nurse at the Minneapolis VA Hospital.
Alex wanted to make a difference in this world.
Unfortunately, he will not be with us to see his impact.
I do not throw around the hero term lightly.
However, his last thought and act was to protect a woman.
The sickening lies told about our son by the administration are reprehensible and disgusting.
Alex is clearly not holding a gun when attacked by Trump's murdering and cowardly ICE thugs.
He has his phone in his right hand and his empty left hand is raised above his head while trying to protect the woman ICE just pushed down, all while being pepper sprayed.
Back to your calls on whether you think this immigration crackdown is making cities safer or less safe.
Gordon is in Sheboygan, Wisconsin, on our line for Republicans.
Good morning, Gordon.
unidentified
Good morning.
Yeah, I think it would be helping to make cities safe if the federal officers wouldn't be having all this resistance and chaos.
I mean, how are you supposed to go in and arrest somebody when you got hundreds of people in the streets throwing stuff at you and spitting on you?
I mean, I don't understand it.
If I had anything to say about it, I would declare martial law on the state of Minnesota and bring in the military.
And anybody that violates the curfew of the martial law gets arrested and taken away.
Therefore, the streets are empty and they can go and they can pick up whoever they want out of the jail, out of the homes, wherever these people are at, they'd be able to do it if there was a curfew.
And those that don't want to abide by the curfew can get arrested right along with the illegals.
And I think the state government is any state government that doesn't turn over a criminal that they have in their county jails to the federal officers, I believe, are breaking the law.
You don't release a criminal that has a warrant out form or needs to be questioned by ICE.
You don't turn them loose out into the city streets to harm the public again.
And that's exactly what a lot of these states and counties are doing.
And I think it's against the law.
You know, they need to get tougher.
You don't need to put up with hundreds of people abusing you and trying to hurt you and disrupt actions.
Dan is in Georgetown, Massachusetts, on our line for independence.
Good morning, Dan.
unidentified
Hi, thank you for having me on.
I just want to point something out here.
Amy Klobuchar, Senator Murphy, along with the ex-Senator McCain, they were very effective going to Ukraine before the war, stirring up the Ukrainian citizens into a coup against Russia.
So they've got some experience.
Now, I'm with some callers here.
I'm sorry to say it, but the left has been captured by well-played propaganda, exacerbated by big government and big media.
And do you think that the federal immigration crackdown is making cities more or less safe?
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Is trying to make it safe.
It is being hampered by the government of Minnesota.
I also think that the federal government's also not sending in a tank on people down in Waco, Texas, or they're not shooting innocent people in Idaho or killing innocent man, old man in Oregon, in Northern California.
They're not doing all that.
Those people were in the wilderness.
They were fighting for their own rights to live like they wanted to live.
And that's, I mean, you know, this is not Bill Clinton, or better still, Hillary, Hillary Clinton.
This is not Barack Obama.
This is not Joe Biden screaming about people.
I mean, this is ridiculous.
It's all coming from the left, and the left have absolutely lost their minds.
Patricia is in Kennett Square, Pennsylvania, on our line for independence.
Good morning, Patricia.
unidentified
Good morning.
Thank you for taking my call.
I'm going because, and I have to, as I'm listening to all these calls, I have to say, I hear the same rhetoric, the same words being used over and over again from people who say, oh, Biden brought in so many people.
It could be, but you keep saying the same thing.
You're not saying anything new.
As for the situation in Minnesota, people, I'm afraid you're not listening.
The health hospitals and health personnel in Minneapolis have called upon ICE to stop haunting their hospitals and preventing people from getting care.
They're yanking people out before they get even into the hospital.
Superintendents of schools are calling upon ICE to stop haunting their parking lots to stop coming into their schools, which they should not be doing, and taking children away.
I'm sorry, these people are coming out.
It isn't Waltz.
It isn't the politicians.
It's the people who provide services to the communities.
And I find that people keep saying the same things.
And you find every time that someone is killed, immediately our federal officials say that these people, oh, they're terrorists.
We don't realize that you have to have investigation before.
And on top of which, they do not allow anybody in the state who do criminal investigations, who do investigations of these kinds of things, to get any information about what happened in the shootings of that young woman and that young man in Minneapolis, who I'm sorry, died so tragically.
So as far as I'm concerned, people, you've taken the Kool-Aid and you've had a good high time with it, but you're not paying attention to what is really happening.
You are being lied to every day, and you don't know it.
So Customs and Border Patrol Commander in charge, Greg Bavino, was challenged about his narrative and the administration's narrative about how Alex Predi died.
And this was specifically, he was challenged about the videos that contradict Homeland Security's statement that Alex Predty approached officers with a gun.
The weapon, we do know that the suspect did bring a weapon, a loaded 9-millimeter high-capacity handgun to a riot.
We do know that as far as what happened in that intervening moment with the video that you just showed, that's going to come to light through the investigation.
That's being investigated.
And those facts and those questions will be answered soon enough.
Okay, but the Homeland Security Secretary is not waiting for that investigation to take place before saying that Alex Predi was, quote, brandishing a weapon.
Let's go to video seven because, of course, you know this far better than I.
The definition of brandishing is waving or flourishing something, especially a weapon, as a threat or an anger and excitement.
That's just a still photo of what Alex Predty appears to be holding.
There is nothing that we have seen that showed him, as Secretary Noam said, brandishing a weapon.
Have you, sir, seen something different to support what the Secretary said?
Dana, I think what we need to take a look at here is the situation in its totality.
What happened leading up to this situation?
The suspect decided to inject himself into a law enforcement action.
What's not being said here is the fact that Board of Patrol Agents and Law Enforcement were conducting a targeted law enforcement effort against a violent, illegal alien that was nearby, and that suspect injected himself into that law enforcement situation with a weapon.
Cassandra is in Fort Washington, Maryland on our line for Democrats.
Good morning, Cassandra.
unidentified
Hey, good morning, M. Kimberly.
You know, this whole thing is a mess.
And the shoot down that I see the nurse that was trying to help that young lady, you know, the Lord is looking at this.
And it's sad.
Is so evil that's coming from Washington, D.C., you know, and they have no right to go out there and just murder innocent people.
And what is this country coming to?
We all are immigrants, okay?
We all came from another country except for the Native Americans.
And no, I don't think Minnesota should turn over their voting rights.
And it's a shame that so many people in this country are losing their lives just because of that man up in the White House and whoever else is working behind it.
And, you know, everybody's looking at us.
And if, you know, if we ever get into a war, you know, I don't even think our allies will even help us.
You know, and it's really, it's really sad.
In one of the chapters, as Matthew said, it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
And I'm not talking about all rich people.
But this is really disgusting that, you know, even to be American.
And, you know, I just don't understand.
And we just have to pray, you know, that things get better in this country because it seems like we're headed to the early stage of tripolation.
Terry is in Rogers, Minnesota on our line for Republicans.
Good morning, Terry.
unidentified
Good morning.
Say, a couple issues I'd like to clear up.
Alex was not a veteran, as one of your previous callers stated.
He worked as a nurse at the Veterans Administration.
Number two, nobody's denying he had a gun.
And the Minneapolis Police Department, Ballistics, has stated the gun did discharge.
So I've watched the film both ways.
And you showing the one where he's standing confronting the officer with a camera is far different than the one when he's on the ground going for something on his side that isn't clear.
I also would like to put out to all the people that— So, if you don't mind, Terry, I just hadn't heard that information about the gun discharging.
Where did you see that specifically?
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I've seen that on a number of sites here.
I'm in Minneapolis.
I live in Minneapolis.
I've seen that on reports here on various some news and outlets that put on Facebook.
I've read them.
I seen this morning another one saying it was confirmed.
But we'll find out, right?
I mean, I think there's nobody that's honest that can say that they've seen a video that identifies what really happened.
They are way too foggy.
And your station, along with others, choose to pick the one that they feel fits the narrative they care to show.
But I'd like to get into this.
This is the real issue.
The problem here is that people think they get to make and follow only the laws they choose.
Our elected officials, according to our democracy, passed laws.
ICE enforcement agencies are legally performing and enforcing those laws.
People that go in and interrupt those actions are committing a crime.
Pretty had a permit to carry, but the law states he has to have the permit and ID with him.
He had neither.
He went in and interjected the woman that went in.
They go, look, he's defending some woman that the ICE just went over and started pushing.
No, she entered into the street in the middle of an arrest operation, an attempted arrest operation, and got and got physical with an officer, got in his face.
He pushed her out of the way while he tries to do the job.
And then Purdy comes in.
He's face to face with the officer, holding the phone, and the officer says, back up.
And he doesn't.
He physically engages the officer.
That's why he's in a wrestling match.
It's true.
That type gun discharges on its own sometimes, or it has accidental misfires.
Maybe that's what happened.
And it's a terrible tragedy that it did.
But the truth is, Alex shouldn't have been there.
He shouldn't have been confronting law enforcement that we elected.
We passed laws staying not to do that.
I'd also say in ICE, when people tell, oh, the Gestapo, you know that ICE is 50% Hispanic, an even higher minority when you add in other minorities.
I don't recall the Gestapo having 50% Jewish members.
So, Terry, just I was trying to find another article with what you were referencing about the weapon possibly discharging.
And one that I was able to find quickly, which is in the New York Post, said that Alex Predi's SIG handgun has a history of accidentally firing, offering a possible clue to why the border agent shot him.
This is again in the New York Post.
Armed Minneapolis anti-ICE protester Alex Predi was carrying a popular handgun that has a history of unintentionally firing, leading some gun experts to suggest that the gun might have accidentally discharged after a border patrol agent grabbed him from him, causing another agent to open fire, killing him on Saturday.
But as you said, Terry, this is still early information, and we're waiting to learn more.
Next up, John in Westchester, Pennsylvania, on our line for independence.
Good morning, John.
unidentified
Hi, how are you doing?
I just wanted to reference the guy in the last post, or the last call, and you kind of had the New York Post article up there.
The actual reference for that article is a random guy on X posting about the six-hour.
It isn't even verified.
So it's just some guy on X saying that the gun discharged.
So, I mean, that guy in the last call was just spewing the most false narrative that I've seen.
Even that, he leads off with the notion that that gun fired.
Well, John, just to follow up, the message that you're referencing, it looks like it was a post on X by Rob Doer, a lawyer for the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus, who said that he believes that Predi's gun went off after the agent grabbed it, leading the other agent to open fire.
But as you said, John, this was just a post on social media.
But go ahead, Terry.
unidentified
He believes, people believe a lot of things.
So, okay, I believe that he's wrong.
Does that make him right?
Make me right?
Okay, so sorry.
I understand what you're saying, though.
And I do appreciate you actually asking that man where he got that information.
I wish you do that with most of these folks with these French conspiracy theories.
That being said, I'm sick of people blaming the victims in these cases.
You know, people, I support immigration, and Eileen Democrat.
I'm fine with getting illegal immigrants out.
It's the way that Donald Trump is doing this.
It's the way the ICE is doing this, with masks, with aggression.
Even with that woman and that guy, the ICE agent was stalking after them.
They were off to the side of the road, and he kept on pushing them.
He charged that woman and pushed her so hard into the ground.
And that's when Alex went down and grabbed her and tried to pick her out, tried to help her.
So he was actually being the aggressor in that situation, which is just bush league law enforcement, as that man in Maine, the police chief in Maine, said.
So, I mean, you know, you look at the way that they're doing these things, killing Americans.
It's horrible.
I don't know how anybody can support this.
The tactics that they're using are wrong.
And to victim blame based off of what you see objectively in these videos is just crazy to me.
This administration objectively lies every single day.
Even worse, it's Republican and name-only supporters who advocate for the sanctity of life, Second Amendment, against censorship, for the Constitution, countless other things that this administration betrays every single day.
They're just lying to you.
Greg Bovino, you played that video.
He's lying.
It's objectively verifiable.
Greg Bavino, Noam, and even Donald Trump, one hour, this guy's Stephen Miller, they're calling him domestic terrorists, saying that this guy's intending to do maximum damage.
It's a blatant line.
How do you guys support these people lying to your face?
If they lie to you about this, what else do you think they'll lie to you about?
And then the voter rolls, are you kidding me?
Pretty much, this is just a preface.
It's pretty much them trying to build a case for their base such that they can interfere or have ICE agents outside of all the election polling stations.
And then Donald Trump won't become a true lame duck president, which he deserves to become.
Pat is in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, on our line for Democrats.
Good morning, Pat.
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Yes, good morning.
I believe that the Trump administration is really playing fast and loose with our laws and our Constitution.
It is a sad shame when an attorney general for the United States is bullying the administration of Minnesota to give them their voter logs so that they can be used to provide the Republican Party a hand up in the next election.
It is a sad, sad state when we cannot have a country that protects our own.
We have the right to demonstrate and to protest loudly, but without violence.
And the violence seems to be being committed on our citizens, not on the immigrant population that is noted for having less crime than our own people.
We have a lot of homegrown terrorists in this country that are running around killing our own people.
And no one in the federal government of Donald Trump and J.D. Dance want to improve the lives of our people, not wreck their lives, kill them, and lie about the situations that are occurring.
Gary is in Nashville, Tennessee, on our line for Republicans.
Good morning, Gary.
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Yeah, thank you, Kimberly.
Listen, when Trump campaigned, and I'm a full-blown mega, when he campaigned, you never heard one of his speeches when he did the same distressing immigration.
We're going to get the illegals the hell out of here.
We heard it every time, 20,000 people at these rallies.
Now, what did you expect him to do?
What we expect him to do, those of us that elected him, including every swing state, what do we want him to do?
That's our job.
That's his job.
And let me say one more thing, please.
I hear this at least two or three times a week.
Trump's a draft Dodger.
The Republicans, the Democrats have not had a president since Jimmy Carter that served in our military.
So you make a fool of yourself, Carl, when you bring that up.
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