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Jan. 24, 2026 15:00-15:38 - CSPAN
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KMSP Coverage of Minneapolis Protests
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Gun Seized In Minneapolis Protest 00:15:31
Again, this situation is evolving.
This is under investigation.
Those facts will come to light, but let's take a look at the gun.
You can see the gun here on the screen there that that individual possessed.
It appears to be a semi-automatic, high-capacity type, possibly a SIG Sauer 9mm.
All right, no more questions.
Sorry, no more questions.
Serve me.
Where exactly was the gun going on?
Where exactly was the gun going on?
We're taking you live now to Minneapolis where a protester has been on the streets after a shooting death by a federal agent.
Minneapolis police chief Brian O'Hara said the victim is a 37-year-old male.
Played to be a U.S. citizen.
We're waiting for an official briefing from police officials.
Until then, here's a look at this.
I've been seeing Alex Pretty, who was there on scene.
And you can see him in the video before the shooting.
He's taking some video.
He's kind of waving a car through there at the scene where agents are doing some sort of targeted operation, they say.
He is on scene, and then this struggle ensues between agents and him and another woman.
And some of the critical facts that are emerging on this is Chief O'Hara confirmed that he is a concealed, he's a permit to carry owner here in the state of Minnesota and apparently had with him a 9mm handgun that the Department of Public Safety has put out on social media today.
In fact, do we have the picture, Lori?
Can we show reviewers that are joining us here?
Yes, please.
Okay, they're going to pull that up here in just momentarily.
But the Department of Homeland Security is saying that in addition to the gun, there were two magazines with that gun as well.
The Department of Homeland Security's narrative is that he came to massacre federal agents.
That's their words, not mine.
Okay, so this is the weapon that they're showing here today.
We do not know, and these are facts we don't know.
We don't know if the gun was ever pulled.
Was it ever fired?
Did officers see this during the course of the struggle as they were taking him down to the streets?
Those are really critical, important facts that no one knows yet.
Right, no one knows anything except what DHS says, and that is that he showed up and confronted the agents while armed with that gun you see there.
We're going to go live now to Mary McGuire.
She, along with Kelly O'Connell, have been out there for several hours now following what's happening and the growing protest there at 26th and Nicholas.
Do we have Mary?
Yeah, hey, Karen.
I have a little bit of a little bit of a different perspective than Kelly.
I have seen some law enforcement, but they are doing crowd control and traffic control.
You see a couple of MPD cars in the distance.
And as we were driving into the neighborhood, that's really the only law enforcement presence that we saw on scene here.
Just Minneapolis police squad vehicles blocking off streets so that presumably cars couldn't drive into the area.
We have seen a steady stream of people coming here to protest, many of them bundled up, of course, and wearing respirators and goggles, so ready to participate in this protest.
When we were parking, someone actually backed into our vehicle and didn't even realize it because they were so eager to get down here and participate in this protest.
But like you have been mentioning, we've not seen any evidence collection happening here.
This kind of struck me because, of course, being a reporter and covering police scenes over the years, you don't typically see ripped police tape like this until way after an investigation is done.
This says state patrol line on it, do not cross.
That was ripped.
I've seen a couple other areas where the police tape has been ripped.
So not any evidence collection happening here.
Again, being on scenes with the Minnesota BCA, they typically hold scenes for many hours.
So no state investigators here looking at the crime scene.
No federal investigators that we've seen either.
The only police presence are those Minneapolis police squad cars that are doing traffic control in the surrounding areas.
But this crowd is definitely growing.
You see people standing on dumpsters here in front of me, holding signs, holding flags, things like that, chanting.
Things have remained very peaceful from what we've seen so far.
It's just people shouting, chanting, and it appears that they're holding a bit of a moment of silence for the victim right now.
But people bringing in water bottles.
I've seen a couple of first aid people as well.
So that's what we're seeing here at the scene now.
Happy to take any questions that you might have.
How many you get the sense, Mary, that the people are still coming to the scene?
Oh, yeah, definitely.
We've seen, we've had to kind of navigate a couple of blocks because it was tough to find parking around here.
And we saw people streaming in.
We parked kind of over by the Minneapolis Institute of Art and there were groups of people walking in.
So it appears that people have heard about what has happened and they are coming down to this area to participate.
And Mary, I see, you know, we've got the upside-down flags that we're showing right now.
I saw somebody walking with a bullhorn.
What other things are they bringing there?
Did you say water bottles?
Yep, we got a lot of water bottles.
Like I said, first aid kits, signs.
They seem ready for tear guests, even though a lot of that has dissipated.
A lot of people wearing goggles, a lot of people wearing respirators that I've seen as well.
And of course, it is very cold out, so people appear to be bundled up as well.
Right.
And you said that as far as police dealing with protesters or crowd control, there is no sign of law enforcement with regards to that.
You said maybe just some traffic enforcement.
Is that correct?
Right, right.
No, no law enforcement on scene.
This is an area that has a lot of businesses, and I'm right next to Cheapo Records right now.
They were closed yesterday for that day of protest.
And then their sign says that they'll reopen today, but they're not open.
None of the restaurants around here are open either.
The chairs are still on the tables and things like that.
We see an apartment building in front of us.
I've seen a couple people walking on the roof of the apartment building here, but the crowd continues to grow.
And I have not seen any law enforcement attempting to dissipate this group.
Or collect evidence, as Bob Jacobson was just talking about here a few moments ago, too.
As we know, and Mary pointed out so correctly that crime scene security after an incident like this is critical for investigators to gather evidence at the scene.
And that's not happening at this moment, although the videos that are emerging will be critical pieces of evidence.
They have different videos, and that will be crucial.
They have to do that.
Have the gun that they say they collected off of the man who was shot.
So they do have some things, and of course, they've got, you know, accounts of witnesses and agents that were there and that kind of thing.
So it's not like they have nothing to watch.
But what's probably missing, guessing here, but like casings, shell casings, things like that, and maybe some blood evidence, I don't know.
But some things you would normally collect from the scene.
It appears they haven't been able to do that.
They just didn't have enough state patrol to secure the scene.
Again, the victim in this case has just been identified by the Associated Press and his family is Alex Pritty, 37 years old, a resident of Minneapolis, and an American, as Chief O'Hara announced earlier today.
In fact, let's go back.
Let's take a moment to reset here for a moment and go back to the news conference with Mayor Fry and Chief O'Hara from about, oh my goodness, maybe almost two hours ago now.
And so you can listen in on them and their statements and thoughts at that time.
My name is Brian O'Hara, B-R-I-A-N, O apostrophe H-A-R-A.
I am the Minneapolis Police Chief.
At approximately 9:03 a.m. this morning, Minneapolis police received the report of a shooting involving federal law enforcement in the area of East 26th Street and Nicholas Avenue on the south side of the city.
Officers arrived and found an adult male with multiple gunshot wounds when they arrived.
Lifesaving aid was being rendered and he was transported by ambulance to Hennepin County Medical Center where he was later pronounced deceased.
Based on the information that we have, which is very limited, this is a 37-year-old white male who is a Minneapolis resident and we believe he is an American citizen.
We have not been told any official reports of what has led up to the shooting, but we have seen the video that is circulating on social media.
Our demand today is for those federal agencies that are operating in our city to do so with the same discipline, humanity, and integrity that effective law enforcement in this country demands.
We urge everyone to remain peaceful.
We recognize that there is a lot of anger and a lot of questions around what has happened, but we need people to remain peaceful.
In the area, we have an unlawful assembly at this time.
Minneapolis police have given multiple warnings for the crowd to disperse.
We are asking for people to avoid the area and to leave if you are there.
We have requested mutual aid from the Minnesota State Patrol and from all our local and county regional partners.
We ask everyone to remain calm and to please do not destroy our own city.
I just saw a video of more than six masked agents pummeling one of our constituents and shooting him to death.
How many more residents, how many more Americans need to die or get badly hurt for this operation to end?
How many more lives need to be lost before this administration realizes that a political and partisan narrative is not as important as American values?
How many times must local and national leaders must plead with you, Donald Trump, to end this operation and recognize that this is not creating safety in our city.
As you'll hear from Director Sayre in just a second, we have seen these kinds of operations in other places in other countries, but not here in America.
Not in a way where a great American city is being invaded by its own federal government.
I'm done being told that our community members are responsible for the vitriol in our streets.
I'm done being told that our local elected officials are solely responsible for turning down the temperature.
Just yesterday, we saw 15,000 people peacefully protesting in the streets, speaking out, standing up for their neighbors.
Not a single broken window, not a single injury.
Those peaceful protests embody the very principles that both Minneapolis and America was founded upon.
Conversely, the mass militarized force and unidentified agents who are occupying our streets, that is what weakens our country.
That is what erodes trust in both law enforcement and in democracy itself.
So to everyone listening, stand with Minneapolis.
Stand up for America.
Recognize that your children will ask you what side you were on.
Your grandchildren will ask you what you did to act to prevent this from happening again.
To make sure that the foundational elements of our democracy were rock solid.
What did you do to protect your city?
What did you do to protect your nation?
This is not what America is about.
This is not a partisan issue.
This is an American issue.
This administration and everyone involved in this operation should be reflecting.
They should be reflecting right now and asking themselves, what exactly are you accomplishing?
If the goal was to achieve peace and safety, this is doing exactly the opposite.
If the goal was to achieve calm and prosperity, this is doing exactly the opposite.
Are you standing up for American families right now, or are we tearing them apart?
The invasion of these heavily armed mask agents roaming around on our streets of Minneapolis, emboldened with a sense of impunity, it has to end.
This is not how it has to be.
So to President Trump, this is a moment to act like a leader.
Put Minneapolis, put America first in this moment.
Let's achieve peace.
Let's end this operation, and I'm telling you, our city will come back.
Safety will be restored.
We're asking for you to take action now to remove these federal agents.
director sayer my name is rachel sayer and i am the director of the emergency management department for the city of minneapolis I took this job to keep us safe because I live here and this is my community.
Huddle And Firearm 00:14:43
We are doing everything we can to mitigate the impacts of this terrible situation.
The city's emergency operations center continues to be activated as it has throughout the surge and federal agents over the last few weeks.
We are tracking impacts and coordinating the city's response to this situation, which is having profound repercussions in our community.
I can't underscore enough how much Operation MetroSurge is impacting our city.
Families with loved ones detained and those who are afraid to be in public lest they become targets need help accessing the most basic necessities like food, housing, and rides to school.
Businesses are shuddering and our local economy is severely impacted, which means families are suffering just as we were rounding a corner in our recovery.
Many of our Minneapolis residents, my neighbors, my friends, my community members, are ceasing participation in public life, afraid to even go to the doctor.
In response, the City Enterprise continues to utilize our entire emergency apparatus.
That means staff across departments, often around the clock, are putting their regular jobs on hold in order to respond to the impacts of MetroSurge.
I want everyone to know there are numerous resources available to community members right now.
We have mental health help available.
We have food assistance, housing and rental assistance, legal help.
We are sharing information about what to do if you are exposed to tear gas, pepper spray, or other chemical agents.
And the state AGs and ACLU are collecting reports of rights violations.
You can access these resources on the city's virtual resource center at minneapmn.gov/slash ICE.
Please share this information with your neighbors.
We have help and we want you to be able to access that.
My background is in international humanitarian response in conflict zones in Yemen, Haiti, Syria, Iraq, and Ukraine.
What I've seen here is what I've seen there.
A powerful entity violently and intentionally terrorizing people, making them afraid to go outside so they can't earn a living, so that kids are forced out of school.
This has a lasting generational impact.
People can't plan a single day of their lives because they don't know who is around the corner and if their family member or neighbor is about to be taken away.
In these times, you see both the best and the worst.
The worst is the terror and the feeling of helplessness.
The best is, will continue to be our community's response.
The way we are showing up for each other, that is in the absolute worst of times, we're showing up for each other in the absolute worst of times.
I'll turn it back to the mayor.
Thank you.
We'll open it to questions.
We are seeing an incredible volatile situation unfolding right now around that scene.
Is there any communication right now between local and federal law enforcement or cooperation or where do those efforts stand to try to calm what's going on down there right now?
All right, we're just listening live to the mayor and the police chief.
And who was that at the end there?
And then we have Rachel Sayers, Rachel, Director of Emergency Management for Hennepin County to explain the resources that are available to folks out there who need it.
And they addressed the public about two hours ago.
We've heard from state and federal officials.
We're expecting another news conference with federal official or state officials here shortly.
But just to recap just what has happened, if you're just joining us at 9 o'clock this morning, a report of an agent involved shooting at East 26th Street and Nicolette, an adult male shot multiple times.
And we've learned through Chief Brian O'Hara and local authorities that it was a 37-year-old male Minneapolis resident, U.S. citizen, the Associated Press identifying him as 37-year-old Alex Pretty, an ICU nurse.
And a couple of announcements, too, due to what's happened and the amount of people downtown right now, the Wolves game that was scheduled for this afternoon has now been moved to Sunday.
Also, Twins Fest, which was going on today, is shutting down.
So impacting different events and different locations today.
I know some of the businesses in and around 26th and Nicolit that were supposed to be open today are not.
So just a lot of impact, a lot of disruption in the area there.
We're learning from our crews out in the field that the crowds are building somewhat.
We've heard from our police chief and governor saying that they really want people to urge caution, stay away from the area, peacefully protest.
They need, they're asking for the public's health help in order to do their job.
So they're asking for peaceful demonstrations today.
But we are hearing from our crews in the field that the crowds are growing.
They're growing and there's no law enforcement presence.
Right, because basically they're pulling their resources.
They said the federal officials left the area and then local and state law enforcement also left that area when they felt like they could not secure it anymore.
So that is the situation in South Minneapolis right now.
There's a number of video clips that are being shared online, as you can imagine in a situation like this about what happened.
And I want to stress that this is still very much under investigation and that it is very difficult to tell in a lot of the clips what is happening.
And we don't know if the ICE agents had body cameras on them, but we have received, again, two very different narratives from the federal officials involved and state and local officials.
You know, it was actually a Border Patrol agent who fired the shot, not ICE.
And I've seen Border Patrol agents that do have body cameras on.
So ICE agents typically don't, but I believe Border Patrol does often wear body cameras.
We don't know if they were in this case.
And as you mentioned, there's so many angles with the different videos, but what we can't see is into that huddle, into that grouping when they're struggling with who we now know is Alex Pretty, who's on the ground.
We can't see in there what's happening.
And like you said, two very different narratives.
DHS, of course, saying that the man was armed and they collected this, recovered this 9-millimeter handgun with two magazines.
But we don't know if he pulled it out.
Did he point it?
Did anything actually go on with that gun?
Or did they recover it after the fact?
Right, and Greg Bovino, who addressed the public a short time ago, only took two questions from the media and would not answer when that gun was pulled out if it was pulled out.
And so really just limited what he was going to answer at the time.
But the federal officials are saying that this man approached with a gun, attempted, they attempted to disarm him, and they're saying he violently resisted.
The chief of police saying that there's no official report on what led up to this.
We know from some videos that this 37-year-old man was in the area of Glanville Donuts in the streets and had a cell phone out recording.
But then we're not sure what led up to the interaction at that moment between agents and the people that he appeared to be with.
Right, he seems to be in the street kind of waving a car through.
Why, I don't really know.
I think we have a picture of the man who was shot and killed.
That is Alex Pritty, the man who's been identified as an ICU nurse who was shot and killed.
The mayor saying he did have a permit to carry that weapon, or at least a weapon.
But that is the man who has now been identified by his family as Alex Pritty, who was deceased after this morning's shooting by Border Patrol there at 26th and Nicholas.
And we do have available on Zoom right now Rob Doerr, the president of the Minnesota Gun Owners Law Center, to talk about use of force issues and his assessment of some of these cases that we have been following.
Rob, thank you so much for joining us.
This is now the third agent, federal agent involved shooting in Minneapolis as a result of Operation Metro surge.
We had Renee Good January 7th.
There was a man that ICE says they were trying to detain from Venezuela on January 14th.
And then this one this morning.
So if you could first just, I know there's a lot of video circulating.
It's hard to draw conclusions because we don't see what was happening 15 minutes before this or what was happening right in the middle of that huddle.
But what are your impressions of this situation so far?
Yeah, you know, initially I was kind of had a little bit of skepticism seeing the DHS's initial statement that they made because they said that the person approached them with a firearm.
They didn't say that the firearm was drawn or that, you know, threatened officers or anything like that, just that he had a firearm.
And now every video that we angle that we've seen seems to indicate that there was no visible firearm at that point.
So it's uncertain why there would have been any perception of a threat there.
And then, you know, it's very difficult to see what happens in that huddle.
But one of the most recent clips that I've seen seems to indicate that prior to the shots being fired, one of the agents who, you know, didn't have a firearm in his hand, reaches into the huddle, pulls out a firearm, and it matches the photo that DHS put out this morning perfectly.
So my take of it is it looks like he was actually disarmed prior to the fatal shots being fired.
Wow, and as you said, there's a lot of angles, and it's hard to tell in that no, like at what point did they see the weapon?
Is you know, from what you can tell, any sign that the man on the ground was reaching for his weapon when it was pulled away, anything like that?
Hard to see in there, I know.
Yeah, you know, the newest video angle that I've seen, it looks like it's got the facing towards the man.
Yeah, it's this video right here.
And you see his arms are kind of pinned right in front of him as he's on the ground.
And then it, you know, then you see the agent in the gray coat there, who doesn't have a firearm in his hand, reach around and pull out a firearm.
So right here, you see it looks like the man's, I think Mr. Pritty's arms are pinned down in front of him.
So he's not reaching for his firearm.
Both hands are right there.
You know, it's difficult to see what happens right in this second here, but we do see that the agent comes back with the firearm in his hand.
That firearm matches the firearm that was photographed by DHS saying that it was Mr. Pritty's firearm.
And then that's when you hear the shots fired.
Do you know it's been often said that there really only has to be the fear a police officer or an agent needs to fear for his life or the lives of his coworkers, the people with him.
But what is the threshold?
I don't know if you know that answer.
What is the threshold or, you know, where that's reasonable?
So it's reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm.
So they have to have a reasonable, I mean, based off of the circumstances, what would another person in that situation perceive it?
You can't have an unreasonable fear, but it has to be reasonable for the circumstances.
And, you know, barring any more information, it seems like there's at least it's questionable whether or not a person who has been disarmed was capable of producing that deadly fear for police officers.
Right.
We're speaking with Rob Dorr, the president of the Minnesota Gun Owners Law Center, and we just want to make sure that we're reminding people who you are, what you represent, and that you are also a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment.
So what are you thinking in terms of what the public needs to understand?
Because I think there is an inclination to jump to conclusions.
This is a very volatile time that we're living in, and videos are being shared the moment after something happens.
And so what would you say in terms of investigating a situation like this?
What does the public need to remember as all of this information is coming in so quickly?
Yeah, I think in the first 24 hours, the information we get isn't always the most accurate.
I think initial reports was this man was a 51-year-old man.
So things develop quickly.
And so I think it's always good for people to absorb information, but keep it with a certain amount of skepticism.
But then also, there are some things that are just objectively true that we can look at.
Like, for example, if he has a permit to carry, it's not unlawful to be carrying while you're exercising your First Amendment.
You don't have to pick between which rights you exercise.
It's not a crime to be near police officers.
It's not a crime to be in a protest with a firearm.
The crime comes when you actually take that firearm and cause somebody to be in fear of death or great bodily harm or otherwise threaten them.
That's the crime.
So I think there are things that are objectively true, but then also things that are open to interpretation.
And those tend to develop, especially as time moves on after the first 24 hours.
And Rob, one of the questions I see that keeps coming up, you just mentioned that it's not illegal for somebody to be armed to be near police officers.
But is there a reasonable distance that protesters should be keeping from armed federal agents or any police officers in terms of a protest or somebody who is anti the reason they're there?
What is that reasonable distance?
Yeah, there's not like a hard set number.
Generally, wherever you're lawfully allowed to be, you're free to protest there.
So that's generally, you know, sidewalks, you know, public squares, things like that.
You're not allowed to block roadways during protesting.
You know, that is something that does happen commonly.
What Went Down There? 00:03:13
So you have to be mindful of that.
And then ultimately, the courts have held that the government does have the authority to declare an assembly unlawful, and you are required to disperse at that point.
Rob, what are your thoughts in terms of investigating matters like this, all three of these agent-involved shootings?
Do you want to see state officials be part of that investigation as well?
Absolutely.
I think that's really the only way that we could have any sort of reasonable comfort that there's transparency going on.
I'm always hesitant when the government says that they're investigating themselves because more often than not, they find that they did nothing wrong.
So it's always better to have an extra set of eyes, to have somebody who's detached from the command structure that doesn't have a vested interest in the particular person.
When there's officer-involved shootings in Minnesota, it's not the agency that the officer worked for that does the investigation.
It's the BCA.
And prior to that, it used to be an outside agency that would conduct that investigation because we value that transparency and that outside look to make sure that the officers' actions were objectively reasonable.
Okay.
Yeah, one more question, Rob, before we let you go, and we may ask for a little bit of time later today, too, as more information comes in on this.
But when you heard about this shooting this morning, what was the first thing that went through your mind?
So when I first heard about it, my first exposure to it was the DHS tweet that went out when I opened up Twitter in the morning.
And I was immediately skeptical.
The DHS has certainly had a particular bias in their communication, so I have a natural skepticism towards it.
But the words that they used caused me to have really great pause when they say that the man approached them with a firearm.
My first reaction was, okay, how did you know?
Did he have it exposed?
Those key pieces of information were missing.
And then they go on to really paint this narrative that he was prepared to massacre police officers.
And as we saw the videos that come out, each video that comes out seems to challenge that narrative, which really just makes me sad that we don't really have a reliable narrator.
And all of us are kind of left trying to piece it together from what we can see objectively with our own eyes.
I agree there.
Yeah, we're all kind of just watching every single piece of video in slow motion and drawing conclusions.
And we still do need to gather all the information.
But certainly a lot of people have a lot of questions about what went down there.
We just need to get, and these things take time.
We need to get all the pieces of information, what was being said, what was being said.
And those moments too.
But Rob Dorr, the president of the Minnesota Gun Owners Law Center, thank you so much for joining us and just walking us through use of force issues and interpretations in situations like thank you for your time.
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